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♪ ooh, ooh ooh, ooh ♪ good evening, thanks very much for joining us. the breaking news tonight is sad. a founding member of the one of the most popular acts of music tonight as died. glenn frey, a cowriter for the eagles was just 67 years old and quite simply a rock star. glenn frey and done henley wrote and performed songs that virtually defined how the rest of the country saw southern california, from tequila sunrise to palm trees on the double album "hotel california" that went platinum 16 times over, according to "billboard magazine." just about everyone i grew up with has a copy or has their collection of greatest hits, which is america's best selling
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album of the entire 20th century. more copies than the beatles, michael jackson, elvis or sinatra. that's why tonights so many people are walking around with so many tunes stuck in their head and all the feelings their conjure up. we gint tonight with sara sidner at a record store where it's fair to say they sold a few records glenn frey had a part in. what do we know about the circumstances surrounding frey's death? >> reporter: he was having intestinal problems for quite a while. ultimately, his publicist says he died from complications from arthritis, colitis and pneumonia. he did so much not just for the eagles but the industry. he was a perfectionist. you talk to anybody that worked with him and they will tell you there was zero acceptance of mistakes. everything had to be perfect and not perfect for him but perfect for the crowd that came to see their concerts.
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he was the co-founder of the eagles, and they are playing the music here in the largest independent record store in the country, amoeba. lots of people here, you can hear the music. it really brings back a lot for a lot of different generations. anderson, i remember my mother had the music and i didn't like the music at first. now i can't get enough of it. over the years there are so many people that are heart broken and you can tell that from going on social media. everybody from hughie lewis to mike huckabee has gone on social media, on twitter and tweeted about how much glenn frey and the eagles meant to then. this has been a shock to a lot of folks. >> they were supposed to receive an award this weekend and it got postponed because of his illness, right? >> that's right. this has been a shock to a lot of folks. first david bowie and now glenn frey.
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he brought so much not just to the fans but everyone in the industry. a lot of people are like wait, this is another person? they simply can't believe it. there is a lot of love being shared for him and of course, the music. never mind, he was an incredible, incredible musician. he played the keyboards and guitar and piano and co-wrote many songs that became huge, huge hits, anderson. >> sara, thank you for the update. for the california mellow their sojs may have evoked, the eagles were behind the scenes anything but peaceful or easy. joining us tonight by phone, documentary film maker, producer of an amazing documentary called "history of the eagles." alex, you obviously got to know glen well during the making of the documentary. when you heard he died, first of all, what went through your mind? >> i was shocked. i heard he got better. i knew he had been sick but i was shocked and surprised and greatly saddened. he was a good guy, and, you know, part of one of the great musical success stories ever and
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now following just a few days after david bowie was a tough one-two punch. >> he also just seemed so honest and willing to kind of go there in the film you made with him. >> he was honest. that was one of the things that really impressed me and when we embarked on the film, he said he was willing to be forthright and encourage everybody to speak up, whether or not they got along with the eagles or not. the eagles could be the band even though the harmonies were sounding the best ever. that the one thing i appreciated about glenn, he was forthright and honest. >> you had film of them on stage and if memory serves me correct, glenn frey and one of the other band members are basically having a fight on stage and glenn frey is saying he's going
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to -- i can't use the exact words i don't think on television but essentially beat up -- >> yeah, yeah, he's going to take him out and he's right after this song i'm going to take you out. >> he's saying that in front of the entire audience. >> in front of the entire audience and while they are singing beautiful harmonies. >> it's an incredible moment. >> and the other band member as >> don fielder. >> ran off the stage and jumped into a waiting limo and drove away so he wouldn't get beat up. how they go back with each other and how they got started and ups and downs, how they found their sound, i guess. >> yeah, look, glen started -- glenn and don henley started as
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the backup band for linda ronstadt and at some point the two of them, i think, decided they wanted to get a band together themselves and glenn and don were the ultimate blue color songwriters who were determined to do good and they knew, you know, i remember he asked bob seager at one point but what if i start writing songs, they will be bad. he says, yes, they are going to be bad but over time they will get better. glenn frey and don were the ultimate practitioners of the idea that if you have what is a will, there is a way and they -- with their will, they found a way to be the most -- the best selling band in the 20th century. >> i mean, it echoes what don henley said in a statement tonight. he described glenn fry with a quote work ethic that wouldn't quit. that really was his secret to song writing, to everything. >> hard work.
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that sums him up in a nutshell. these guys were really -- glenn was really about hard work and a sense of will and determination that if you busted your butt, you could make it someplace and that someplace could be big. >> it wasn't from the beginning with them, was it? >> well, look, they had a sound early on but took awhile for them to be recognized. one of their early producers didn't really get it at first. the famous irving was always their champion. but their sounds had to do with their voices. you know, they wanted to play rock 'n' roll but it was really their sense of harmony and how those voices blended together not only don and glenn but also randy and bernie. that was the original incarnation of the band. those voices together made this kind of beautiful sound that at a moment when country rock was coming on strong really found a moment and an audience.
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>> when you think of their legacy, i mean, what -- what do you think it is in the cannon of rock music? >> i think it's -- i think it's two-fold. you can talk about country rock and the country rock sound. i really think it's about the dream. the dream of the rock 'n' roll star, you know, that if you try hard, if you work at night after night you can really get someplace extraordinary. i really think it's about hard work and elbow grease as glenn frey said. >> i told you before i went on air, i found your documentary extraordinary and stayed up late into the night watching it because i thought it was so well done and fascinating as frankly is all of your work. thanks for talking with us, alex. >> thanks so much, anderson. more on the medical side,
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his battle with a combination of diseases that strike tens of thousands of americans. for that, as always, we turn to our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. so glenn frey died from complications due to a number of illnesses, rheumatoid arthritis being one of them. is that normally fatal in and of itself? i hadn't heard of that. >> i wouldn't typically think and i don't think most people think of it as a terminal or fatal disease. although it can be something that be shorten one's life span. i think that's how a lot of rheumatologists or doctors that specialize in this think about it. what do you think about this, this is an autoimmune disease. your body for whatever reason is sort of attacking itself. i can attack the joints, that's why your joints, knuckles may get large, your other joints, knees, hips, elbows, everything can be affected by this. but it can also affect blood vessels, for example, around your heart and cause those
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symptoms where you don't get enough blood flow to the heart of lungs. we don't know specifically what was going on but that is some of the other effects of rheumatoid arthritis. >> another complicating factor is acute colitis. >> it's another type of auto immune disease. in this case it affects the gut, g.i. tract, large intestines specifically and when they said, g.i. tract, large intestines specifically and when they said acute colitis, it could mean a significant flare-up of inflammation that could even cause rupture of the wall of the intestine, that can cause bleeding. all these are sorts of things that can sometimes lead to an earlier death. now, i should point out these are diseases that can be easily managed, as well. i shouldn't say easily, but well managed, as well, by simply not letting the immune system create as much damage in the joints or in the gut, but the medications can be tough on somebody. so was this a problem with the medications? was this a problem with the disease for glenn frey? we don't know. we just know that in
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combination, these diseases and the treatment for his diseases they are saying led to his early death. >> also pneumonia, which is a danger for anyone that's immunocompromised. >> right, when someone has autoimmune disease, to treat it you want to tamp down the immune system. let's decrease it a bit. exactly what you said, when you decrease the immune system a bit, you leave someone more vulnerable to infections. your immune system can't fight the infections that can be a problem. >> what an extraordinary life to die at 67 years old is so young. >> it is young and i think there is a lot of people who may be watching saying, look, i have autoimmune disease or it's in my family. it can be a disease that's well managed. it can shorten people's lives. that has been well described. but you're absolutely right in his case, he does seem very young and my understanding was even active up until recently. >> sanjay, thanks very much. >> you got it. thank you. just ahead, two weeks and counting until the iowa caucuses.
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the iowa caucuses are two weeks away. in this last push to win iowa the candidates according to key voting block there and beyond evangelicals a group donald trump focused on for sometime now. evangelicals and today spoke to students telling them their religion is under siege and tripping over an attempt to quote the bible. first, a quick look how trump talked about god and religion up to this point. >> i'm a presbyterian. when i drink my wine and have my cracker, i guess that's a form of asking for forgiveness and do that as often as possible because i feel cleansed.
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>> most importantly, i brought my bible. i'm a good christian, okay? remember that. the bible means a lot to me but i don't want to get into specifics. that's my second favorite book of all time. you know my first? the bible. god will be very proud of me. the bible is special. i have great relationship with god. i have great relationship with the evangelicals. >> trump often trumpets the size of his crowd. today he drew about 10,000 people. the students didn't really have a choice in the matter. randi kaye reports. >> and my generals. >> reporter: donald trump once again courting evangelical voters this time at liberty university. attendance for students was mandatory, even for those not supporting trump like c.j. wilson that doesn't buy trump's talk about faith. >> if you're not showing fruits, i don't want a president like
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that. if you're proclaiming it and not living it, i don't like that. >> reporter: would you vote for donald trump if he was the nominee? >> i wouldn't. >> reporter: trump likes to say he has a great relationship with evangelicals and that may be true. the most recent polling from fox news shows trump leading among evangelicals nationally with 28%. >> corinthians 2:17 where the spirit of the lord, right, where the spirit of the lord, there is liberty. 2corinthians 2:17 wher spirit of the lord, right, where the spirit of the lord, there is liberty corinthians 2:17 where spirit of the lord, right, where the spirit of the lord, there is liberty. 3:17 where the spirit of the lord, right, where the spirit of the lord, there is liberty. >> reporter: trump said two corinthians instead of second giving the audience a chuckle followed by applause. many conservatives are bother that trump says he doesn't ask for forgiveness from god. e that trump says he doesn't ask for forgiveness from godd that trump says he doesn't ask for forgiveness from god. >> i'll vote for the person that believes what i do and has the
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same moral standards and that's definitely going to be a big deciding factor. >> reporter: does that sound like donald trump to you? >> it doesn't. i can't necessarily say that donald trump has the type of faith that i would put my vote for. >> reporter: these two sisters disagree. they like that trump is pro-life, though he was once pro-choice. >> i thought that he has changed and he's been faithful since 2011 to that is enough for me. god is about change. >> reporter: trump again called the bible his favorite book, and promised if he's elected, it will be okay to say merry christmas again, instead of the politically correct happy holidays. >> if i'm president, you're going to see merry christmas in department stores, believe me. >> reporter: all reasons many here are willing to give trump a chance. this student prefers ben carson. >> i would love to have a godly man in office but at this point i see the wave of trump, the trump train and the country
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getting behind him and i want someone we can elect that can beat hillary clinton or bernie sanders. i feel like that's our guy so i'm 100% behind trump. >> reporter: this student says trump has his vote if he can protect christianity. >> i don't know where he is with the lord. if he allows this country to continue with religious freedom, that's huge. he think it's being percent persecuted today. i want to vote on a president that allows me to practice my faith every day. >> reporter: in fact, some that don't believe his values lineup with theirs are willing to forgive him. >> we're all sinners, so who are we to judge him? >> randi joins me now. did he mention ted cruz? >> reporter: anderson, we certainly expected him to go after ted cruz hard because they are that bitter battle but anderson, he did not mention ted cruz once at all during his speech here at liberty university. he was focused on energizing the crowd. they seemed to responds. he had huge cheers in response
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to his comments about wanting to see a female president, a woman president one day as long as it's not hillary clinton and about building a wall at the southern border having mexico pay for it and comments about protecting christianity. he was focused on winning and sending this positive message. the crowd here didn't seem focused on his faith. maybe it's because it was a younger generation and the college students here but they didn't really seem to care how many times he's been married and divorced or whether or not he goes to church every sunday. they love the fact that he's a businessman. they think that he can get the job done and that he can and their words make america great again, anderson. >> thanks very much. plenty of people know the bible chapter and verse and been weighing in. russell moore, president of the southern baptist convention tweeted trading in the gospel of jesus christ is not liberty but slavery.
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he's the author of engaging the culture and joins us live so does chief poll lit correspondent for the network. >> all right on twitter, and even some of the campaigns are saying two corinthians. >> i actually, over the years, heard it both ways. but i would probably prefer saying second corinthians, but i've heard it both ways. dr. moore, the question of two corinthians or second corinthians, is that important? and i'm wondering overall how you thought donald trump was introduced at liberty university and what remarks or impact he had. >> it doesn't bother me that donald trump said two corinthians. we know he's not a biblical scholar. i don't expect him to be one. i expect him to be authentically who he is. what did bother me is the presentation of donald trump as a man of character and as a man of faith with the introduction of by your fruits, you shall know them, which is language that jesus gives on the sermon
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on the mount about how to tell when someone has an authentic relationship with god. i thought that was really tragic and a missed opportunity at a great school, fantastic school. i don't object to liberty having donald trump. one of their great strengths is they are not afraid of alternative view points but a missed opportunity when you have someone as recently as yesterday talks about the fact he doesn't need forgiveness from god and to stand up and to speak of him in that way without coming in and giving the impression that one is made right with god through faith and jesus christ, i'm more worried about the gospel than about this political election because the gospel of jesus christ is more important than the united states of america. >> so dr. moore, just based on what his comments have been publicly, do you believe he has a true relationship with god? >> i think what donald trump has
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is a norman vincent appeal sort of therapeutic kind of mainline christianity. he's been very clear about that. that does not mean that he's not qualified to be president. i don't want evangelical identity politics because what tends to happen then is politicians learn bible versus and learn how to say second corinthians and use that as a political and learn how to say second corinthians and use that as a political tool. what i do think we need is a candidate that has proven character to be able to lead and that's where my concerns with donald trump lie. evangelicals have been saying character matters. if character matters, then character matters. >> david, you've been bullish and hear what dr. moore is saying. how tough should it be iowa voters have reservations about so-called character issues? >> the trump campaign will probably explain the character issues and leadership. what donald trump at least in my take what evangelicals have been saying around the country is
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they like the strong leadership. anderson, the reality is this. donald trump went in to this campaign with a narrative that was already cemented and hes the 10 billion-dollar success guy and could get things done and he's a winner. that was the narrative coming in. ted cruz, marco rubio, those other folks had to define their own narrative and i think trump was really ahead of the game so along he comes with evangelicals and i got to tell you today at liberty, one of the big applause lines is when he said i'm tired of political correctness. >> do you define being a winner the same way donald trump was? >> no, i define being a winner according to jesus' teaching on the sermon mount, following christ, having a spirit that is conformed to his spirit and having a commitment to one's family, to one's community and that's where my concerns are. donald trump talks quite a bit about leading but the question is leading to what? and he talks a lot about winning but the question is winning what?
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and we have seen just in recent days, i mean, using racially charged rhetoric posting false and racially charged statistics about african american men, my brothers and sisters in christ speaking about immigrants the way that he has, talking about women the way he has, this is -- this ought to be a wakeup call for anyone in this country who believes we ought to have an underlying moral fabric to these decisions much less people following jesus christ. >> i want to play a clip in the interview. let's listen. >> you said in your book, you said it a few days ago, i have a great relationship with god. how do you see that relationship? >> i feel very secure in my relationship with god.
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it's been a very strong relationship. i started at sunday school many years ago with the bible you've seen with my mother's handwriting on it, with my address and, you know, never wanted me to lose my bible and i just always had a very good, special relationship and i feel a lot of what i accomplished if not all is because of that relationship and feel very strongly about it and feel very strong about evangelicals and my religion. >> david, in your interviews with trump, this is not the first time you interviewed him. do you think he's change in what he says about faith or gotten better about speaking what he says is his faith? >> well, anderson, a couple things. look, i've talked to him quite a bit about this from a golf course to an interview setting in lynchburg today. he has a great relationship with god and we're getting into the idea of judge's one faith we won't go down the road. look, if donald trump was running for senior pastor at a mega church, i'm thinking he's
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probably not getting the job, but he's running for president of the united states and he is resinating with sick and tired evangelical voters. there are three types of evangelical voters right now. you got the sick and tired evangelical voter who feel like they have been played in the republican establishment's game. that's who he's identifying with or at least that's the ones he's attracting then you've got the solutions oriented evangelical voter, the ones that leave more of a jeb bush type and then you have the i wear it on my sleeve, my faith on my sleeve vote who wants to see kind of most christian, if you will, presidential candidate get in there that might be more like a huckabee, ted cruz, ben carson. these are the three dynamics. here is the good news for trump. the sick and tired evangelical voter now dominating the field. >> yeah, dr. russell, appreciate you being on. good discussion. when we come back, more on the evangelical vote and war of words between donald trump and ted cruz. yes, we are twins.
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we've been talking about donald trump and his effort to
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win evangelical voters, people that can make or break in iowa, conservative christians have been key to ted cruz' strength there. late polling shows him close to trump or slightly ahead in the hawkeye state and when it comes to donald trump, the competition is definitely not a case of love thy neighbor. he has been hitting him hard and cruz has been hitting back. >> seems like donald has a lot of nervous energy. he doesn't react well going down not polls. >> a lot of people do not like ted. he finally went off the wagon and went crazy. >> i think in terms of a commander in chief, we ought to have someone who isn't springing out of bed to tweet in a frantic response to the latest polls? >> how are you going to be president if you don't know about a million dollar loan from goldman sachs. he doesn't know he was a
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canadian citizen? he's a nasty guy. nobody likes him. nobody in congress likes him. nobody likes him anywhere once they get to know him. it's not a good thing for the country. very nasty guy. >> joining us now is cruz communications director rick tyler and jeffrey lord and is also author of the new book out today "what america needs in the case for trump." rick, how concerned are you about these attacks from trump? two weeks left until iowa and two weeks left until iowa and a lot trump can say and do in the time frame. >> well, a few weeks ago, anderson, good to be with you. everyone is attacking donald trump and today everybody seems to be attacking ted cruz and predominantly donald trump. we're doing well in the polls and donald trump doesn't like that. instead of talking about issues people care about. >> are the attack, though, having an effect on those polls do you think because your candidate was higher in the polls and trump came up closer. do you think it's had an impact?
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>> from what i can tell it hasn't. the birther issue is just nonsense. when people understand it and explained it actually is marginally helpful. not that i would choose the attack. none of the attacks impacted us. the other thing i would say, even if we were even and i would not trade donald trump's supporters for ours in a sense that, you know, we know our supporters are organized and they are ready to go. so we are looking for great caucus day and we're looking for all of our voters to turn out. i think they will turn outcome, you know, snow, rain, wind, they will be there. >> jeffrey, i mean, do you think donald trump has that level of intensity of support on the ground in iowa? >> yeah. >> you do? >> i do. chuck working for him who really has donald trump's campaign manager said, this is like the super bowl for him. he loves this stuff. he's really good at it and
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delivered iowa. he knows the state very well. he knows evangelicals very well. he knows the voting -- >> there was an article in the times that raised a i lot of questions about the depth of his organization. >> right. right. we're going to find this out, anderson, one way or another and the thing i always say, whether donald trump wins or loses or anybody else wins or loses, iowa has never been a very good predictor of the eventual winner. we had winners that would never go anywhere and losers like ronald reagan who go all the way. ronald reagan lost in 1976 not only lost iowa, he lost the next five primaries, regained footing and came within 117 votes. >> rick, this debate over new york values, ted cruz says trump is in line with liberals and trump says ted cruz got loans from goldman sachs. how do you respond to that? >> how do i respond to the critics about the values? >> yeah or that he's being hypocritical. the criticism that he's being hypocritical getting loans, coming to new york to raise money.
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>> look, ted cruz during the senate race partially self-funded his campaign, a concept donald trump is certainly familiar with and people sign up to us, by the way, we raised more money in iowa than manhattan. the idea we have big money coming out of new york is simply not true. >> when you hear jeffrey say he thinks donald trump does have the organization on the ground. do you have -- what is your indication that you have a better organization, that the depth, the commitment of people to come out and caucus for cruz is greater than for trump? >> well, he would know better than i would about his organization but in our organization, we have 18 -- we have 1800 precinct workers to cover 1300 and something precincts. we have all 99 counties covered with chairs. we have 250 pastors. we have as of yesterday, we had over 12,000 volunteers. we leased a dormitory when that wasn't enough we had to lease a second dormitory and that wasn't enough so we have to lease hotel rooms for the more than 700 people coming to camp cruz to
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work on the campaign. these are people from out of states and surrounding states that decided they want to help ted cruz win iowa. we had enormous support and finished a 28-day or a six-day, 28 county tour and in these little towns, huge crowds would come out. not people testing the waters. these are people that dove in the deep end. people are excited about the campaign. we're looking forward to the two weeks getting over and winning iowa. we hope so. we're not taking anything for granted. we'll be back there in a couple days and finish it out. >> all right. jeffrey lord, rick tyler, thank you and also want to congratulate jeffrey on his book called what america needs. bill clinton wasn't on the stage or in the room but loomed large and hillary clinton flat out said she asked for his vis and ideas if the she's lethlet
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hillary clinton and bernie sanders took off the gloves. it was the fourth and most contentious face-off, health
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care, wall street and bill clinton on the stage, fair game. >> there are things we can do to improve it, but to tear it up and start over again, pushing our country back into that kind of a contentious debate i think is the wrong direction. >> we're not going to tear up the affordable care act, i helped write it but we are going to move on top of that to a medicare for all. >> i'm going to defend dod frank and president obama for taking on wall street, taking on the financial industry and getting results >> secretary clinton, you're not the only one so i don't mean to point the finger at you. you received over $600,000 in speaking fees from goldman sachs in one year. >> yes, his behavior was deplorable. have i ever once said an issue? i'm going to debate on the issues facing the american people, not bill clinton's personal behavior. >> that was not the only time that bill clinton kale up.
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lester hold pressed about the role. her husband might play if she were elected. you have sid president clinton would advise you on economic issues. be specific if you can. are you talking about a kitchen table roll on economics or will he have a real policy role? >> it will start at the kitchen table. we'll see how it goes from there. i'm going to ask for his ideas. i'm going to ask for his advice and use him as a goodwill to go around the country to find the best ideas we've got because i do believe as he said everything that's wrong with america has been solved somewhere in america. >> bill clinton was stumping in iowa over the weekend. he's been playing a more visible role. on the trail telling voters his wife will be able to find common ground are republicans if she becomes president.
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joining me now is paul and peter a senior fellow at the american foundation. paul, clinton's comments about president clinton, doesn't that open the door for criticism and scrutiny? doesn't that make it more fair game? >> this is what they do on the right. nothing is going to keep him out of it anyway. he's, i think, one of the most gifted politicians in our life but the controversy he had to put it mildly are baked in. everybody knows. literally. i'm in houston visiting my family. my 15-year-old niece, kathryn was not born when those scandals happened. i said they will ask about my work and she rolled her eyes, uncle paul, i know about monica lewinsky. the whole world knows. when they discover life, that intelligent life will say you're from earth where clinton had those affairs.
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it's totally baked in. let's let hillary use them for the good of peace and prosperity. >> it is interesting. it's the first time talked about or defined or she was asked about the exact role he would play, should he be scrutinized, the former president just as any potential advisor to the president would be? >> yeah, but he's already been scrutinized. i agree with paul. we know everything there is to know about bill clinton. a lot of americans hate him but democrats love him and that's the group of people that hillary clinton has to appeal to now and even overall, he's more popular than barack obama is. so if you have to be hitched to someone's star, that's not a bad star to be hitched to. the only problem for bill clinton is if he creates disarray in the campaign strategy because he goes off message as he did in 2008. that was a problem. so far this time you have to give the clinton campaign credit.
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they have been very disciplined and on message. >> i want to ask you about something else from last night's debate. secretary clinton, it's hard not to notice how big of a bear hug she gave president obama, defending with wall street reform. how much is this embrace to the president related to her need for african americans to turn out in south carolina? a few months ago she was very clear in saying she wasn't running for president obama's third term? >> right. the model is the only time in the lifetime a party won three in a row. george h.w. bush, bush was regan's vice president and deeply opposed regan. when he ran, he said i'll be like regan, just kinder and gentler. that's what hillary was saying. i'm going to be continuing barack obama's policy but, you next a little more hawkish, frankly, which she didn't get into. she'll have her differences. she served in his government. she endorsed him.
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she ran hard and endorsed and joined his government. she couldn't run away from him if she wanted to. he's terribly popular with democrats and right almost 50%, i think 49% approval rating with all americans. south carolina last night, that's a state where the primary, the last time we had a contested primary there, 55% of the voters there were african american and have about a 90% approval rating of barack obama. very smart politics but also authentic. >> smart in the primary but in the general if she needs independents, some may be turned off by that. >> you have to distinguish between domestic and foreign. she's more comfortable on running for barack obama's record to extend what he did. on foreign policy, i think that is where frankly she is more hawkish. there is genuinely more distance. that was a big issue in 2008 that she was more hawkish and politically where i think the obama record is more vulnerable but on domestic policy, which is really the bulk of the debate last night, i think she's in
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pretty safe shape. >> it was interesting to watch the debate. there was a lot of mud slinging between the secretary and senator sanders. the days of playing nice seem to be over, you know, it's a far cry from the early days of the campaign when clinton barely mentioned sanders name on the trail. >> yeah, it was not mud slinging, at all. the two of them -- no personal attacks. >> right. >> they are punching, which thank god. >> i know you're for. >> i'm totally for. they were sponsored by ambien or something. they put you to sleep. seven months to the day after that terrorists murdered those wonderful christians in charleston. it's a real issue. it's one where there is one of the few where there is a clean difference. the only corporate issue i know of where bernie sanders was on the side of the corporation, not
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consumers and voted to lift gun manufacturer s above the law. bernie tried to walk that back very wisely and my advice to him after the debate is just say i was wrong. it happens. people cast bad votes. say look, i was wrong to do that. >> paul, peter, thank you. details about the prisoner swap that reunited four americans with their families. what iran got in exchange and how that deal came together. living with chronic migraine
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that's jason rezaian and emir hekmati and sae, d abedini. they could be moving to the states in days. d abedini. they could be moving to the states in dayd abedini. they could be moving to the states in days.ed abedini. they could be moving to the states in days. when you speak for them, i spoke to jason rezaian's brother. they were shy about sharing details of treatment in iran because he didn't want to disturb chances of getting him out, but he is saying they were constantly manipulated up to the moment they left the country. >> the iranians as they have done all along continued to manipulate them, continued to try to mess with them and prevented her from leaving for some period of time but thanks to the swiss and thanks to the american, she came home with him, as well. >> the point was, they were on the tarmac on saturday night ready to fly out of the country, anderson, and jason's wife and
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mother were meant to be on the plane, the iranians said no, we're not letting them on the plane. in fact, they took them away from them, jason, american diplomats didn't know where they were. americans dug their heels and said this deal is off unless they were on the plane. eventually the iranians were -- its was not in sunday, in the end, that they got out of there. >> one american believed to still be in iran is robert levinson. do we know more about him? >> this has been frustrating for american diplomats involved but god knows for the family. i was able to speak to his mother and season today. 2007 he disappeared on kish island doing work, it's believed for the fbi. his family says he was working for the cia. at the time the military acknowledged they had him but then he sort of disappeared into the system and now the iranians are saying they never had him. the americans say they have an agreement with the iranians to share information, a commitment from the iranians to continue
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looking for him. you speak to the family, they told me today it's nonsense in their words that the iranians don't know where he is and his fate. the trouble is it's been a number of years since they had a proof of life. there is question sadly, you know, whether he's still alive. it's really a continuing problem, god knows for the family but also american diplomats want to know what exactly happened for him. >> another live hour of 360 with two weeks to go until the iowa caucus, donald trump, ted cruz battling for the top stop. that sditd for us. thanks for watching.. "cnn newsroom" starts next. to unleash your potential. start every day with milk's protein and milk life.
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