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plus, their dad is hunting the biggest prize in the political wilderness, the presidency. today donald trump jr. and eric trump were hunting in the iowa wilderness, and they brought me along. welcome to "the lead," i'm jake tapper live from des moines, iowa, where in just three days we're going to get the first results of the presidential campaign. we already have a sense that donald trump's last big gamble might have paid off. he skipped the harsh spotlight of last night's presidential debate leaving his chief iowa competitor, senator ted cruz, to take the heat. sara murray is here in des moines and joins me now. sara, i know he's not one to second guess himself, but it seems like he actually feels pretty good about his decision. >> well, in the cold light of the next day, it turns out it was ted cruz that bore the brunt of those attacks last night and he didn't get a chance to punch
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up against his chief rival. one thing we know today, donald trump does not sound too sad about miss get debate stage last night. >> ted cruz is an anchor baby in canada. >> after a tough night for ted cruz, donald trump is piling on. >> cruz is in second place. he got really pummeled last night. actually i'm glad i wasn't there because he got pummeled. wow. and you know they didn't even mention that he was born in canada. >> sharpening his attacks on cruz's citizenship and delighting in his decision to skip thursday night's debate. >> i did something that was very risky, and i think it turned out great because i'm on the front page of every paper. i'm getting more publicity than if i -- you know, i don't know. >> reporter: cruz is coping with a rockier reception, after sparring with debate matt ratod. >> if you guys ask one more mean question, i may have to leave the stage. >> reporter: and facing incoming fire from his gop rivals. >> the truth is, ted, throughout this campaign you've been willing to say or do anything to
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get votes. >> reporter: cruz woke up to this front page in iowa. cruz isn't the only one drawing scrutiny, as rubio's rivals put him on defense over his shifting stance on immigration. >> you changed your position on immigration. >> so did you. >> reporter: meanwhile trump's opponents predicted his debate stump could undercut him in iowa. >> i think the disdain and arrogance that trump showed by not coming may well turn off iowa voters. >> reporter: but trump told cnn's brianna keilar it was a show of strength. >> i think you're going to find that a lot of the voters and caucus goers, i think they're going to say he's the one person that will stand up for himself. >> reporter: and tonight iowa conservatives seem to believe it won't do much damage. >> did it hurt him? did it not hurt him? >> i don't think it hurt him at all. i think the headline of the "des moines register" which says "rough night for ted cruz" says it all. >> now, today ted cruz is trying
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to shrug off all this hubbub about the debate. he said he's not trying to win over the media, what he cares about is turnout on caucus night and says he's still feeling confident. >> i've heard it all comes down to turnout. sara murray, thanks so much. joining me now a prominent cruz supporter, bob vanderplatz. first of all, we should talk about the fact that cruz, at least in that auditorium, was booed by republicans and did seem to have a rough night. what do you think? >> well, the "des moines register" is never going to be his friend. they're saying that ted cruz won the debate and the establishment republican is going to say that either. what i can tell you tangibly is ted cruz raised the most money he ever raised off of that debate. his people, me included, thought he had a great night. i thought with jeb bush and marco rubio going back and forth hurt both of them.
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i think trump going awol, he may say that's a show of strength, but in iowa that's a show of weakness. >> have you actually heard from voters here in iowa that that bothered them? >> oh, a lot of voters that i heard already today are moving from trump to cruz who had this in the mix. i've had some people say any arguably could see trump now coming in third in iowa. if you're going to skip the final interview, he wouldn't hire them for trump enterprises, he'd say you're fired, you don't get the job. he's going to walk away from fox news and megyn kelly. how does he take on iran, china, putin, anybody. >> donald trump going after ted cruz saying he had a bad night and calling him an anchor baby in canada. what do you say of that? >> that's just donald trump being donald trump. but it plays into what people are concerned about with trump, judgment and discernment to be the president of the united states. you can't mock people with disabilities, you can't say you can shoot somebody and not be held responsible, you can't make fun of prisoners of war and now he's embracing the
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establishment. >> but he's done all those things and keeps rising in the polls. >> i don't think that works. you've been around iowa a lot. so have i. people broke late for huckabee, people broke late for santorum. i think people will break from trump and unite around cruz. i believe cruz has a good night monday night. >> take a listen to marco rubio talking about ted cruz and immigration. i want to give you a chance to respond. >> this is the lie that ted uz campaign is built on, that he's the most conservative guy and everyone else is -- you know, everyone else is a rino. throughout this campaign you've been willing to say or do anything in order to get votes. >> rubio there was specifically talking about how in 2013 during the immigration reform bill, cruz had supported a path to legal status for illegal immigrants, not to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, but to legal status and now he says he doesn't support that. how do you explain that? >> i think it's a hollow argument by marco rubio.
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here's a guy that campaigned as a tea party candidate. >> i get that. >> but he's launching this attack on ted cruz. but when cruz says jeff sessions, steve king, rush limbaugh, all those know that i stopped rubio's bill. rubio teamed up with schumer and with obama and with mccain for this amnesty bill. so for him to call that out. and jeb bush called out rubio on that. that's why i think rubio lost that section of the debate. i think cruz actually won that. >> all right. i'll move on. i want to play another remark from cruz that's raising some eyebrows. >> you want to know what carpet bombing is? it's what we did in the first persian gulf war. 1100 air attacks a day, saturation bombing that utterly destroyed the enemy. >> now, during the gulf war the u.s. used precision targeted laser-guided bombing. that is not carpet bombing. frmer defense secretary robert gates told me he doesn't like hearing carpet bombing, that
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that's not the way americans fight wars and leaders who propose it are being dishonest and simplistic. why does senator cruz keep talking about carpet bombing. that's not what anybody with any military knowledge supports. >> i think we can argue about terminology and i would agree on that. i think what senator cruz is saying is that we need to come at this from a position of strength. we can't just be symbolic in our efforts here. and that's what he's trying to say. i think it resonates with the american people saying we need to go after isis with everything that we have. so that's why i think he's really trying to communicate in those words. >> all right, bob, have a great night on monday night. good luck to you and your candidate. >> thank you, jake. welcome to iowa. breaking news in our politics lead today. the state department now saying that hillary clinton had e-mails on her private server so secret that the state department will not release them even with redactions. that story, next. right now, you're not thinking about all the money you saved by booking your flight, rental car, and hotel together.
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we're back with some breaking political news. with just three days until the iowa caucuses, the u.s. state department announced today that it has deemed 22 e-mails from then secretary of state hillary clinton's server top secret, and the state department says they will not release those 37 pages. i want to bring in cnn chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. jim, these e-mails were apparently not marked classified at the time they were sent, at least as far as we know. is the state department giving any reason as to why they are now deemed top secret and how significant this is. >> the state department said that the intelligence community has determined that information contained in these seven e-mail chains adding up to 37 pages is in the top-secret category. this is the first time that e-mails have been put into that category of classification. there have been earlier e-mails at a lower category of classification. these in the top secret and the highest. as you say the state department says they were not marked as
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such at the time. however, the state department says it still has not determined it's going to go on to set up its own investigation to determine whether that information was classified at the time. you know, that's another issue because there's been this charge that a lot of this has been done retroactively, that it was not classified at the time they were sent, it was only a later determination made. but the state department saying here that question is actually unanswered. this information may indeed have been classified at the time, whether or not it was marked. listen to how john kirby answered the question on who determined whether this information was classified. >> you guys were prepared to release it until the intel community came in and said, hey, wait a second? >> no, i wouldn't say that. as i said, we had an ongoing discussion about this traffic with them. at their request, we have decided to make this upgraded. it's a state department decision. we're doing it but at the request of the intelligence committee. >> so john kirby saying the
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intelligence community made the request but the state department complied with the request. i would add one more point here, jake, and this gets into the way classified information is handled in government agencies. that even if that classified information was not marked as such, the people who handle and read this kind of information do have some responsibility to recognize it and, therefore, report it. now that may be difficult to do. there are many e-mails, the clinton campaign has talked about how some of this was referring to a "new york times" article. but still, to be clear, it does not completely absolve those involved of responsibility for classifying that information. >> and how is the clinton campaign reacting to this news? >> very quickly. they came out with a statement within seconds of the state department announcement. they use the phrase that this is classification run amuck but they say we firmly oppose the complete blocking the releas of
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these e-mails since first providing those a year ago, hillary clinton has urged they be made available to the public and feel no differently today. saying they should have been released, it is overclassification and they are also starting some of the clinton campaign people to put out a story as to how this happened that these e-mails originated on the state department's unclassified server from lower level employees and it bubbled up to the top. an attempt, you might say, to absolve the secretary of responsibility for this. but it's early and so we'll keep following this very closely. >> jim sciutto, thanks very much. hillary clinton was mentioned in last night's republican debate more than twice as much as the actual front-runner, donald trump. candidates jockeyed to paint themselves as the best suited to prevent clinton from extending obama legacy. of course they need to get past donald trump first. then again, clinton has work to do herself to get past bernie
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sanders. jeff zeleny joins me now. jeff, what are the clinton and sanders campaigns telling you with their expectations for monday night? >> jake, it's all about turnout, how many people are going to come out. if there is 140,000, that is okay with the clinton campaign. if it goes much higher than that, to 2008 levels, obama type levels of 240,000, the sanders campaign is more happy about that perspective. so the sanders campaign launched a new website called prove them wrong. it's aimed at young voters and say any democrats who are saying you won't come out, prove them wrong. a fight to the finish. >> please, between now and monday night, think hard because the stakes are high. >> if we win, it will indicate that this country is ready for
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real significant change. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders in a ballots f-- battle for iowa. it's a family affair. president clinton and chelsea joining for the final countdown. >> for those of you still shopping, trying to make up your mind, i hope i can persuade you. >> reporter: persuading voters by saying her rival's health care plan is wishful thinking. >> people who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have some theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass. >> she drove her point home with a personal story. >> my daughter had brain cancer. people can't wait. >> the race is coming down to a test of campaign organization. it's a duel for the direction of the democratic party. >> it's going to be a very, very close election. >> sanders is casting clinton as a candidate of the status quo. he's drawing sharp contrast in tv ads. >> how does wall street get away with it? millions in campaign
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contributions and speaking fees. >> he says a political movement his campaign is building can help achieve his lofty agenda. >> everybody here knows that change, real change, never comes easily. >> diane schaefer is a clinton supporter who never thought the race would be this close. >> why is bernie sanders giving her such a run for her money? >> i don't know, i'm totally shocked, i really am. i really thought this would be a slam dunk. >> she's part of a split household. her son believes it's time to shake up the establishment with sanders. >> he is all about bernie. so i don't know if it's the younger group coming out in force and just being, oh, my gosh, let's go for this radical change that bernie keeps talking about. >> and that is the central point there. this one woman right there, a hillary clinton supporter, at a rally for secretary clinton earlier today, she's so worried about this. she was talking about her son, all of his friends are supporting senator sanders.
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so the question is are these young people that don't generally caucus going to come out and prove them wrong. >> and will it snow? will it snow monday night? >> and if you have older supporters like the clinton campaign, will some of the older supporters be able to drive through the snow. >> they used to walk seven miles -- >> but it's nice today. >> jeff, thanks very much. so what does the state department's decision to classify 22 of hillary clinton's e-mails as top secret, what does it mean for the presidential candidate come monday? does it mean anything? does it mean everything? we'll ask our political panel next. lost shipments, lost invoices, lost prospects, lost respect. well-crafted solutions for today's problems in commerce. pitney bowes, the craftsmen of commerce.
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welcome back to "the lead." is this heaven? no, it's iowa. let's stay with politics. which candidates are in the best position to claim victory monday night here in iowa? let's discuss with republican consultant margaret hoover, former vice chair of south carolina's democratic party,
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barry sellers and jennifer jacobs, a chief political reporter for the widely respected "des moines register." thanks one and all for being here. you're going to tell us about your poll that's coming out tomorrow. >> do we get the results today? >> bakari, this news about the state department not releasing some of secretary clinton's e-mails, it seems damaging. tell me why it isn't. >> well, we've seen this type of bureaucracy when it comes to the classification process before. even the state department came out and said nothing was classified when it was sent. we know that "the new york times" ran some of these special access programs. >> from wikileaks. >> so this is much ado about nothing. this is some republican talking point fodder. i don't think iowa voters are paying attention to it. i know especially being from south carolina that the definition of hillary clinton right now in south carolina is a fighter. this is another obstacle and more mud. she's emerged since arkansas, so
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i believe she'll emerge again today. >> margaret, yesterday the republican debate. donald trump doesn't show up. ted cruz, who is his chief competitor here, takes a lot of fire from his competitors on the stage and also an audience that was not all that friendly to him. was donald trump's move at the end of the day the right move? >> donald trump won the debate in absentia. for him it was the right move. what did he do? he went and had a telethon for veterans? who doesn't want to tune in for that? i think people that were watching were flipping back and forth between the two. i mean that was one win for him and he didn't know if it was going to be a win but it's come down to the fact that he can't do anything wrong. >> it's really strange. i've never seen anything like it. what do you think, could any voters, bob vander plaats, who is biased and supports ted cruz, he says he has heard of people telling him that they didn't like donald trump not showing up for the debate and they're now going to vote for ted cruz. on the other hand, as you saw, ted cruz got a lot of boos and a
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lot of attacks from his competitors on stage last night. could last night's activities, both trump not being there and cruz being there end up affecting the race monday night? >> i doubt that it will affect trump too much. we did get a lot of e-mails and tweets and feedback from iowa republicans saying it made him seem unpredictable, it made him seem erratic. is he always going to commit -- he was committed to being at this debate. what are we going to expect from him when he's president, will he follow through. but people said even though he is unpredictable, we're still standing by him, so i don't see a lot of support feeling off of him just because of that debate absence. but you're right, ted cruz just took it from all sides at that debate. you know, it wasn't necessarily his audience and it was almost like a sitcom that had no laugh track. and so because that audience wasn't all that fond of him, a lot of his jokes seemed to fall flat. perhaps if he had had a different audience. >> or a laugh track. >> it might have seemed different. but he just is getting it from so many different directions
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right now. >> one of the places that candidates are taking it is the tv. bakari, i want you to take a look at this ad running right now in iowa from the sanders campaign. >> goldman sachs, just settled with authorities for their part in the crisis that put seven million out of work and millions out of their homes. how does wall street get away with it? millions in campaign contributions and speaking fees. our economy works for wall street because it's rigged by wall street. >> doesn't mention secretary of state clinton. >> oh, well -- >> but obviously speaking fees from goldman sachs. >> exactly. >> i think it's kind of an effective ad. >> it is. it's an attack ad, it truly is. but this is a contact sport. this isn't as dirty as we've seen before, for those of us who were around in 2008. we've seen dirty politics before from both sides. but it's an effective ad. however, i do think that that points out the fact that bernie sanders knows he's running from behind here in iowa. bernie sanders also knows the sense of urgency because the
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fact of the matter is we can play it up in the media all we want. bernie sanders has to win iowa and new hampshire. there's no win one and maybe win another. he has to win both because voters throughout the south on the march 1st primary and throughout, electability is a huge issue. if he shows any weakness or any letup, even if he comes out with a five-point loss, that's going to be damaging for his campaign. >> margaret, at this point, three days before the caucuses in 2012, the des moines register poll had rick santorum in third place but the poll director pointed out he was surging and predicted he would win. >> she said it would be very close. >> do you expect any sprieszs monday night? >> iowans, first of all, many of them have not decided who they're going to vote for so there's that element. and the element that's unknown of what happens when you get into the caucus site. even though republicans don't have the craziness that the democrats have, they have a secret ballot, but there's still this everybody is making their
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case. you hear who your neighbor is for, you maybe reconsider. people haven't decided when they're there writing on the secret ballot. and while inertia is in trump's direction, second place rubio, cruz, you never know how close second and third will be. anything can happen. >> we're hearing that it might snow monday night. bad weather, who does it help? >> those first-time caucus goers tend to be less reliable. they're looking for possible excuses to stay home if the weather is really bad. we know that sanders and trump have more first-time caucus goers. cruz and clinton have those more experienced caucus goers that are more reliable. however, hillary clinton has older voters among that 75 and older crowd. she takes 70% of those folks. we do know in iowa that the older folks who can't see as well at night, are afraid of slipping and falling on ice or snow, they could be persuaded to stay home. also, she has passion. iowans really do like hillary
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clinton. >> oh, it's down to the wire. >> it's down to the wire. >> thank you all so much, really appreciate it. one man in custody, two more to go. one of the california jail escapees surrendering to police today. how close are investigators to closing in on the other two dangerous men. back after this. ♪ ♪ ♪
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welcome back to "the lead" live in iowa. cnn is learning that one of the inmates who escaped a southern california jail is in custody. 43-year-old bac duong has turned himself in. but authorities still are looking for two others, including the dangerous criminal who was compared with hannibal lecter and a vietnamese gang member facing murder charges. let's bring in pamela brown now. pamela, what do we know about this capture today?
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>> i think authorities are shocked by the way this turned out with the capture, if you want to call it that. one of the three escaped inlats, bac duong, turned himself into authorities after contacting a stranger on the streets in santa ana, the same area where he escaped from prison. duong is awaiting trial and has a pretty lengthy rap sheet. here's what the sheriff has to say. >> bac duong contacted a civilian on the streets of santa ana and stated he wanted to turn himself in. >> so the other two inmates are still on the loose and being told that they're really focusing the search on the area where bac duong turned himself in. >> is there any indication where the two other fugitives might be? >> investigators have announced earlier today that they believe these three men were in southern california in the vicinity of
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that jail. and i think the fact that duong turned himself in right there on the streets near the jail gives them more confidence that the other two are in the same area. they initially believed the three of them were together. wer being told by authorities they haven't had any sightings of the other two inmates in that white stolen van that they're believed to be with. now that duong is in custody, it will be interesting to learn at what point he separated from the pair and how he might help lead to the other men. jake. >> we learned earlier that a woman who teaches english at the prison allegedly had a personal relationship with one of the inmates still on the run, shades of that prison break in upstate new york. to what extent to authorities believe that this woman helped their escape? >> there's a lot of parallels being drawn between those two prison breaks. jake, police believe the suspected ring leader, nayeri, is believed to have a
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relationship with this woman right here, nooshafarin ravaghi. this was all based on flirtatious handwritten correspondence between the two. the teacher has denied providing tools to nayeri, but she told authorities she provided a google earth map of the jail. she is still in police custody and she will have a hearing next week. she is really key, jake, to investigators in terms of how the inmates were able to escape. >> curiouser and curiouser. pam brown, thank you so much. in other political news today, donald trump's sons were not with him this afternoon in new hampshire. that's because this morning they were hunting in iowa. i went along with them. that's coming up. 'm heather cox on location with the famous, big idaho potato truck. our truck? it's touring across america telling people about idaho potatoes. farmer: let's go boy. again this year the big idaho potato truck is traveling the country spreading the word about
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we're live from des moines, iowa. there's only three days left before iowa decides. let's talk to somebody who knows a thing or two about winning an iowa caucus and iowa in general. joining me now the former democratic senator here and a winner of the caucuses himself in 1992, tom harken, also a hillary clinton supporter. >> good to see you, jake. >> how's retirement? >> look at the weather here, it's wonderful. i tell you, retirement is okay. >> before i get to the campaign, have you seen this breaking news about the state department saying that they're not going to release some e-mails from hillary clinton's private server? have you seen that breaking news? >> no, i haven't. i'm sorry, i haven't seen that. >> what do you think about this e-mail controversy in general as a clinton supporter? >> much ado about nothing. in fact it is a fact that not one confidential or classified piece of material was sent on that server or received on that server. >> that was marked classified at the time. >> at the time. in fact it was a "new york
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times" article that they classified later on. how dumb can you get? those of us who have been in washington know a lot of times they classify things that are really, really stupid. but let me just say this, jake. colin powell also had a private server when he was secretary of state. >> he had a private e-mail address. >> i think he had a server and he used it. why haven't they attacked him. >> he's not running for president. >> there you go. >> i want you to take a listen to senator bernie sanders talking about clinton in rather stark terms last night. >> it is great to be against the war after you vote for the war. it is great to be for gay rights after you insult the entire gay community by supporting doma. it is great to finally kicking and screaming come out against the tpp, but where were you on all of the other trade agreements? it is great to come out against the keystone pipeline after supporting the keystone pipeline.
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>> so you, as a senator, were a very progressive, populist senator. bernie sanders is saying he is more an heir to that progressivism than hillary clinton is. do you disagree? >> well, to a certain extent, yes. look, i like bernie sanders, we served together, he's a friend of mine. but the reason i'm supporting hillary clinton is because for all the years i've known her, she is one of the most honest, trustworthy, competent individuals i've ever worked with in government. >> a lot of individuals don't think he's honest and trustworthy. >> you know why? for 15 or 20 years the right wing has been beating up on her with false accusations, innuendos, falsifications, all that. they have been on her constantly. why? because they always suspected she'd run for president and they are afraid that she's going to be president. so if you're a young person, 25, 30 years old, all you've heard for the last 10, 15 years from
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the right wing press and the radio and all that kind of stuff is how bad hillary clinton is. it's much -- in social media, as you know, jake, it's much easier to get the negative out than the positive. >> what do you think is going to happen here monday night? i know you have seen for yourself there is a lot of enthusiasm for sanders among young people, among people who haven't caucused before. >> all i can tell you is hillary has run a great campaign in iowa. she has a great organization. it's statewide and it's deep in all the precincts around the state as opposed to what she did in 2008. so she learned that and learned it well. she's been in homes, she's talked to individual iowans in a way that senator sanders hasn't. he's kind of focused his attention on a few areas. that's why i think hillary will win on monday because her base is broad based around the state in all of the precincts and not just focused on a few areas. you know, this thing about what
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bernie just said. you know, that's a little unfair, quite frankly. you know, hillary is a great progressive. now, has she made some mistakes in voting? yeah. so have i, jake. yeah, i voted some ways i wish i could take them back. i voted with that -- on that war in iraq the same way as hillary did. but you know what, one of the dumbest votes i ever made because i believed george bush. i believed he didn't want to go to war. i believed he only wanted to have the inspectors do their job. well, he was lying to us. just like colin powell and all those other people that were leading us down a bad path. i just didn't think the president would do that to us. but i can tell you when it comes to middle class issues and families and supporting the middle class in america, hillary clinton is always there. >> always an honor to see you, sir. thank you so much. as you all know by now, in just three days voters here in iowa will be the first in the
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nation to make their choice for a presidential nominee. depending on the year, iowa is often second in the nation in something else. pheasant hunting. partaking in one of the state's favorite pastimes today were donald trump's sons. crediting the sport with having kept them on the straight and narrow, unlike some of their fellow manhattan peers, the brothers trump are trying to be ambassadors for the tradition. while donald trump sets his sights on a caucus win here in iowa. >> you can pull the trigger twice and you'll get two shots out of it. >> his sons have extended to the cornfields of iowa where they are literally aiming for pheasants, and inviting cnn along for the hunt. >> one of the things going on here is you're showing iowans that even though you're well-to-do new yorkers, this is part of your culture. >> very much so. we got into it at a very young age. we had a grandfather who was an
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electrician from communist czech -- >> so it's getting real now, the iowa caucus coming up on monday. are you nervous? >> i'm proud. i'm proud honestly. he's been a politician for exactly six months and he's winning this race. i'm proud of him. it's just great to see. >> give me some candid talk here. what's it like to be the son of a candidate? do you cringe, do you go that's not fair? >> he's your father, he's your best friend so any time anybody attacks him you want to jump through the tv and attack them back. he's a counter puncher. he's a great boxer and willing to hit back harder. >> the trump sons became targets themselves earlier this year after photographs of their pig game kill surfaced online just as hunting claimed the life of africa's cecil the lion, a controversy the brothers dismiss. >> when you look at the amount of money generated by
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conservationists and the amount of land put aside for the habitat of those animals, all of that is driven by hunters, started by theodore roosevelt. >> he's a hero of yours. >> huge, another brash new yorker. but these are all things important. our job is trying to get people on the fence and explain what is done, what's preserved and we try to be good stewards of that to make sure that those kind of animals and the great enjoyment that we experience is there for our kids, your kids and their kids behind them. >> turning a negative into a positive is one of the things the trumps do best. >> such a good brander, the trump brand, but also a negative brander of his opponents, whether it's bush low energy, or ted cruz and the whole canadian thing. is that just instinct or is some of it -- >> he's always that way. >> it's a natural ability. he sees people's flaws, he sees their weaknesses. the reason it sticks and the
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reach it's so effective is because everyone once they hear it realizes he's right. >> the last time i interviewed your father he wasn't very happy with me after the interview. next thing i know i'm walking in the brush with his sons who are armed. not connected. >> so walk behind us. >> if you send the camera crew home there may be a different outcome, but i think you're good. you're all good. >> and i'm all good. in our sports lead, could o.j. simpson be suffering from the same brain disease found in dozens of dead nfl players? the man who discovered the disease says yes, he's sure of it. that story next. ibs-d. you know the symptoms when they start. abdominal pain. urgent diarrhea. now there's prescription xifaxan. xifaxan is a new ibs-d treatment that helps relieve your diarrhea and abdominal pain symptoms. and xifaxan works differently. it's a prescription antibiotic that acts mainly in the digestive tract. do not use xifaxan if you have
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welcome back to "the lead." we're live in iowa, continuing with the national lead now. when one of the candidates here in iowa wins the presidency, he or she will inherit a national debt of nearly $19 trillion. that's right, $19 trillion. in a new segment we're introducing right now, america's debt and the economy, we're taking a hard look at america's money problem. let's talk about this with two former senate majority leaders, republican trent lott and democrat tom daschle. thanks for joining us. you've teamed up for a new book about washington, d.c. dysfunction called "crisis point." your time in congress included the impeachment of president clinton, the lead-up to the war in iraq, the anthrax scare. some of it was sent to your offices, senator daschle.
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why is now the crisis point, senator daschle? >> jake, the primary reason is we're as dysfunctional as i think we've been in 150 years, not able to pass good legislation, not able to communicate, not to coordinate with the president and congress. >> you pointed out the difficult things we had to deal with, but through it all we continued to find a way to work between a republican congress and a democrat president. >> the national debt, many argue is beyond urgent. what do you think it's going to take to get congress to actually try to reduce this crippling multi-trillion debt? >> well, the most important thing is to grow the economy. that's where the largest amount of deficit reduction potential lies. but i think we've got to do everything, all of the above. we've got to look at revenue, cuts, entitlement reform. we have to really provide the kind of leadership and the common ground construction necessary to address this issue more effectively. >> entitlements of the federal
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government programs are growing just exponentially whereas the discretionary spending for things like highways and hospitals are staying basically flat with a much lower rate of growth. so you need reform and you need growth and that takes the entire package, like tom says. >> we're in the heat of election season. one of the things that the book argues is that the endless campaign fund-raising on the hill affects the priorities of washington. senator lott, what's at stake here? >> there's a lot at stake. the money chase has really got to be all-consuming. it just takes so much more time. members of congress are in washington less than they used to be. they're there usually a couple of days, three at the most. >> senator lott, you have endorsed john kasich for president, senator daschle, you're for hillary clinton. both of these candidates are dealing with a lot of anger among voters on both the left and the right. what do you think voters are so angry about and is it part of
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what you're writing about? >> i think it's fear as much as it is anger. the growth in the economy has been slow and it hasn't affected everybody. i think they're worried about the economy, they're worried about their jobs. >> the answer is to govern better. to find people who can bring people together to find the common ground, it's necessary to move this country forward again. that's the way we're going to fix this country. not by taking a gamble as to what future our country holds by picking somebody who's just not qualified to run this country today. >> govern better, from your lips to god's ears. senators trent lott and tom daschle, thanks so much. in our sports lead today, bennett omalu is the man who discovered the brain disease cte in nfl players. will smith recently played anymore in the movie "concussion." now he says he's sure o.j. simpson has cte. o.j. simpson played 11 nfl seasons before being famously acquitted of murder in 1995.
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cte cannot be detected in the living, but omalu is confident simpson suffers from the disease and its effects could have played a role in that football player's actions that fateful night. tune in this sunday at 9:00 a.m. for "state of the union." i'm be talking to ted cruz, bernie sanders, marco rubio and maybe some others. that's it for "the lead." i'll turn it over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, trumping fox. donald trump declares victory saying he's glad he did his benefit for veterans and skipped the republican presidential debate. so who was the biggest winner and loser on the debate stage? can any of them stop trump? i'll talk with a key official from his campaign. top secret. the state department drops a new bombshell about hillary clinton's e-mail. her campaign immediately starts doing damage control, calling it overclassification run amuck. how will the news,