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just one week till new hampshire and the candidates are out in force. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the road to new hampshire is a lot rockier for some presidential hopefuls after a night of surprises in iowa. why hillary clinton won, why donald trump didn't and it all means for the nation's first primary. we're counting down to tomorrow night as clinton and sanders do battle on the campaign trail. there's lots going on tonight. joining me now is hugh hewitt. hugh, welcome back. trump is in new hampshire tonight trying to put his best foot forward but is it a much bigger challenge there that even more candidates could do well? >> i think donald's in great shape.
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he's got corey running that state for him, he's in terrific shape. i look at marco rubio as being very strong in south carolina. terry sullivan, his campaign manager knows that state like nobody. rubio's got great staff. i look at the benches and the teams. all the three guys who won yesterday are all going on to south carolina and to march 15th. the people under pressure are kasich, christie and bush. one of them have to break through and score what matt lewis referred to as an expectation win. it's about the republican party and whether or not it can get out of its habit of doing dumb things and giving things away. you know, don, hillary clinton's got serious legal problems. you know that that release of the 22 e-mails last friday
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imperils her under the u.s. code. i think the republican candidate who hits her the hardest, the fastest, the most consistently for being an almost felon for the next week is going to win that extra card in. i'm looking for bush, christie and john kasich to up their games about beating hillary, not each other. although christie spent all day punching marco rubio. >> no charges against hillary clinton, we have to say. that was pretty harsh what you said about her. >> she's not charged. i think o.j. simpson killed those two people, right? he was never convicted but i believe he killed her. i think hillary clinton violated 18 usc 1924, though she has not been indicted. i know my way around the intelligence material she's been mishandling for five years. you don't have to have a conviction to believe someone's guilty of a felony, don, you know that. >> okay, let's move on.
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all the polls put trump ahead in iowa. were things like name celebrity a turnoff in iowa? might it be a turnoff in new hampshire? >> he did so well yesterday, 180,000 people showed up. what happened yesterday isn't that donald trump did poorly. he did very, very well. it's just that ted cruz had far more of his core supporters. i go back to the three js. he's got these three extraordinary geniuses of social media working for them. they designed a new system. i would get reports for them over the last six months about the number of touches they had made into iowa on to their web network where they really befriended and became in relationship over the internet in the way that the new media allows to us do with hundreds of thousands of iowans, many of whom showed up yesterday to vote for ted cruz. it's not that donald trump lost,
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it's that ted cruz won. i think donald trump will win in new hampshire and south carolina, all bets are off. we're going to see the first real competitive race will be in south carolina. that's where no one has an advantage. i've got a 100,000 watt station there, don. 94.5 conservative talk in south carolina. 100,000 watts. they're lined up out the door to come on this week because south carolina is a coastal economy, it's a military state, it's a religious state, it's a retiree state with a bunch of people in or from new jersey. it's actually the first general election electorate of the election. i'm looking past new hampshire because i expect donald to win there and say in south carolina the field will get down to four and then it's going to stay that way until march 15th. >> i think it's interesting because as you said, south carolina is more reflective of the country -- of what the democrats in the country are. donald trump seems much more
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reflective since last night. this is a kind of new experience for him that we are seeing and maybe for him as well. are you impressed with how he's dealing with it? >> i thought he did very well last night. he was gracious. it's a good thing to try on a new suit every now and then. donald trump is on tomorrow with me as well as governor bush. i'll be asking him hard core, substantive questions. he will mark the 150th interview with a gop would-be nominee that i've done since the first republican debate and i still have lots of questions for donald trump. he's the best interview in america, as you know, and i'll be looking for that tone difference. he was very -- not subdued, i thought he was gracious to the point move on, he has an explanation. katrina echoed it very well. they got good message discipline at trump headquarters. i expect him to go back to the i am here to get things done mode. i will build the wall. i will get it done. >> is that your strategy? are you going to ask him about his strategy going forward?
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do you think he should stay on the attack and away from detailed policy or does he have to get more serious? >> i'd prefer not processed interviews, i like substantive interviews. but in this case there is a huge process question sitting right in front of us, which is do you go after anyone in particular? do you feel the need to stomp on cruz, on rubio? or do you feel the need to go back to -- so there's one big process question for him tomorrow, which is do you have an attack plan? up until now he's only counterpunched with one exception. he went after ted cruz on the canada thing, which probably proved not to work with a ted cruz hard core voter and mark levin effectively assuaged the worries of people on that.
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i teach law, too, and i don't believe there's any merit to it. john eastman is a conservative. he doesn't believe there's any merit to it. even though lawrence tribe was trying to give coverage to donald trump to dent up ted cruz, that was the misfire. i don't think we'll hear much of that going forward. >> thank you, hugh hewitt. >> always good to talk to you. >> i want to bring in our next guest. hello, friend, good to see you. >> don, great to be with you again. it's been a while. >> you had the chance to speak to donald trump tonight. tell me about that. >> i did. i spoke to him exclusively earlier this evening. you were just talking to hugh. he was really no gloves on rubio. he was very soft on rubio. i tried to have him be critical of marco rubio. he wouldn't go there. he was critical of ted cruz in my interview and later in the news conference, really
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attacking cruz for the way he operated in iowa. i asked him, any regrets from maybe not putting it all in, in iowa? take a listen. >> at all your events, you talk about making america a winner and you talk about the polls and last night you didn't win. how much does that hurt personally and how much does that hurt your brand? >> i think we did great. i was expected not to be in the top ten for a long period of time and i came in second and we spent far less money than anyone else. everyone said you can't win in iowa so we didn't take it that seriously, and we came in strong second. a very strong second. brought out more voters than ever. the vote total was unbelievable. i think i had the highest in history other than the one vote. i think we did very well. i'm very happy with it. >> and i followed up from there, don, i said do you wish you had spent more money and time there? he said no. i asked him do you wish you had gone to the debate? because rubio said by trump
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skipping it it helped him. he said no, i did the right thing because i raised the money for the vets. but i don't buy that. donald trump has been bragging about the polls in iowa for the last couple of weeks. the whole idea he was in 17th place, i'm not buying that, don. >> cruz and carson who came in fourth, they were primed to do pretty well in iowa but new hampshire is different. who is looking strong there? >> cruz is looking very strong here. for someone who has not spent a lot of time here, he's doing quite well. i was with cruz today, covering him, a large event. i was talking to his staff. they have over 2,000 volunteers here in the state and he's doing well in the polls, battling rubio, kasich, christie. carson, a different story. he's not in the state today. don't expect carson to be a player at all here in new hampshire, don. >> you know the polls well. for democrats, it shows sanders
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with a sizable lead over hillary clinton, 57 to 34 among likely democratic voters in new hampshire. i mean, she has -- do you think she has any momentum coming out of iowa? is that going to help close that gap at all? >> she tried to paint a nice picture last night in that victory speech. it was really no victory for her. that tie for bernie sanders was really a win. a month ago he was way behind in iowa. here in new hampshire both campaigns have formidable staffs, but bernie's got all the momentum right now and he has the energy and enthusiasm here. it's not just because of geography. it's not just because he's from vermont, which neighbors us. the democratic electorate here in new hampshire is very much like the republican electorate. they're angry, upset, they don't like politicians and even though bernie is a politician, sanders does not look and sound like a traditional politician. that's one of the reasons he's doing so well, so strong. >> there are lots of undecided voters.
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that's what the polling show in new hampshire. on the democratic side, 24% are still deciding who they're going to vote for. on the republican side, 37% are still deciding. who do you think has the best chance of capturing those voters? >> that's a great point. new hampshire voters traditionally make up their minds very late. they like to go to these events and see -- >> the chairwoman was on earlier and said she hasn't even made up her mind yet. the republican chairwoman. >> yeah, you'll see these guys making up their minds after they go to these events a couple of times. i think it's now up to the candidate. the more events they can do, the more town halls they can do. another key thing to watch is the independent voters. they're 40% of the electorate here. will they vote to the democratic primary or will they go to the republican primary. that could help a kasich very much in the independents come to the republican side. >> they decide late. do you expect this race to be any more settled in a week on both sides after this new
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hampshire primary, after new hampshire vote. >> that's a good one. i think iowa didn't do its job so well. only two candidates dropped out. i think we're going to see more drop out. probably on the republican establishment side. you've got a kasich, a christie, a bush, all going after the same voters. i think only one of those guys is going to survive after the new hampshire primary. if rand paul doesn't do well here, i don't know how he continues. we'll see what carly fiorina does. i think ben carson goes on to south carolina. >> thanks for coming on, paul. >> thank you. >> don't miss cnn's new hampshire democratic town hall tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. when we come back, voters love to watch donald trump, but are they beginning to have second thoughts about voting for him. can his rivals take advantage of his second place finish in iowa?
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a big night of surprises in iowa and new hampshire is only a week away. are we heading for another shake-up in the nation's first primary? good to have all of you ladies on. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> haley, first question is for you. jeb bush is out with a new ad tonight to air in new hampshire hitting donald trump. take a look. >> donald trump has a woman problem. >> where i could stand in the
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middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters, okay? >> i'm sick and tired of politicians that find ways to disparage people to make themselves look strong. it is not strong to insult women. it is not a sign of strength, it is not a sign of strength when you say that a p.o.w. is a loser because they got caught. john mccain is a hero. it is not a sign of strength disparaging the disabled in this country. it is not. it is a sign of deep insecurity and weakness. >> so hitting trump's meanness, and highlights jeb bush's hopeful tone. how effective is this ad? >> i don't think it's an effective ad. donald trump is not politically correct and people love that about him. people are sick and tired of walking around on egg shells and having others act as if anything you say can be used against you. it's really ironic to hear jeb bush say he's tired of
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politicians. jeb bush is the stereo typical politician. 70% of voters voted for an outsider candidate or someone who has never been in washington. they're tired of politicians. jeb bush says he's tired of politics too, but he's the stereotypical politician, so it's a confusing ad. >> do you think that was effective? >> i think it was very effective. one of the very best i've seen. this has nothing to do with political correctness. what donald trump said about john mccain and p.o.w.s, that's what turned me at that moment. i think this man is unfit. i think he's going to win new hampshire because there isn't enough time to cut into his lead. they're all fighting for second
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place. but frankly, that stuff isn't going to sell anymore now that voters are looking at these candidates more carefully and more closely. i think the ad is very effective and could cause some problems for donald trump. >> i'm wondering if you're looking at the outcome of iowa -- you saw that ad with jeb bush. the other candidates are saying hey, maybe we can slay the dragon. is it going to make a dent in donald trump's armor? >> the reason the result in iowa matters is it proves that donald trump can be beaten, that he's not infallible. a lot of folks have looked on in awe as every time people thought this is going to be the end of donald trump, his poll numbers actually went higher. this is the first time he's seen something that could look like a real setback. i think that ad actually says more about jeb bush than it does about donald trump. he's trying to show he's not low energy, that he is a fighter. even if he's not necessarily
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going to be the nominee, he wants to make sure trump is not where the future of his party winds up. >> i want you to look at the entrance polling in iowa. voters were asked if they went into caucus who they thought would win in november. here it is. 44% said rubio, trump came in at 24, cruz at 22. give me your reaction first, kristen. >> rubio is the candidate that has always made his message that this is a new america sen churly, that he wants to broaden the appeal of conservatism. ted cruz said the way we're going to win is by firing up the base, get traditional conservative voters to get excited and get back to the polls. what that poll shows you is that iowa voters seem to think marco rubio's strategy might be the better one. but a lot of voters respect necessarily looking for electability at this point. they're looking for candidates that share their values. if you want electability, rubio is probably your candidate. >> that is the question,
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kailee. i wonder if it highlights what people were saying, you're saying people are tired of political correctness and of washington insiders, but do you think they want a candidate who is more traditional and would appear more serious when it comes time to actually go to the poll and voting? >> i don't think that's on anyone's radar. i think every one of those candidates that you just put on the screen could win simply by virtue of the fact they're competing against someone who might be indicted by the fbi and someone who is a socialist. i don't think there are serious contenders on the democratic side for them to beat. you saw rubio people saw the most electable and donald trump the second. donald trump does very, very well among moderate democrats, among union members. this is striking for a republican candidate.
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i think he would be a formidable general election contender contrary to what some may say. >> we know that donald trump loves to emphasize he is self-funding his campaign. all of us know that. here's what he said tonight. >> i'm probably $40 million under budget because of the fact that frankly i haven't had to spend very much, although i guess we just did a recent filing and i would be probably having spent now maybe $14 million, $15 million. but i'm self-funding. and i must tell you i don't know that enough people appreciate it. i'm self-funding anyway, whether they appreciate it or not. >> i want you to respond, kayleigh. here's what our research shows. our research said cnn politics team looked into his campaign spending on contributions. at year's end he had funneled about $12.7 million into his campaign. he also received $6.5 million in contributions from individual donors. so is it accurate do you think for him to say he's completely
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financing his campaign? >> i think unlike any candidate we've ever seen in modern political history, donald trump is by and large funding his own campaign. he's not beholden to lobbyists the way some of these other campaigns might be. many of the candidates have gotten contributions from wall street. i would venture to say almost all of them. and donald trump, by and large he's funding his own campaign in a way that is very distinct from other candidates. >> go ahead, cheri. >> he's so far funding two-thirds of his campaign. donald trump also had a super pac that he started out with and he lied about it and they had to quick shut it down. he got $100,000 from his daughter's inlaws. and he attended two fund-raisers for that super pac. and when he went to the three big gop billionaire donors, adelson, singer and the koch
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brothers, they turned him down. this business about bragging that he's self-funding. it's object because he went to the traditional republican money and they didn't want him. if he could get it, he'd take it. it's a talking point that is way disingenuous. i think more people will find that out. >> the front page of trump's web site has not one but two buttons to donate. he tweeted this today -- the voters may not appreciate he self-funding and it might not be worth it if the campaign goes on all the way to the convention. do you expect him to change his position? >> donald trump should realize raising money from the outside oh isn't necessarily a sign that you're beholden to wall street. take a look at bernie sanders, he raises tons of money from small donations. i think having grass roots support winds up meaning you can raise lots of money in small amoufr at money's going to matter. as we saw with the results last night, ted cruz invested a lot in a ground operation in iowa, and he's been investing in making that work into the march 1st states. there's only so much that the
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earned media that trump has gotten can get you. you have to have people knocking on doors, having people doing the things that make politics in this country work and you need to have money to fund it. >> so does the campaign need a more consistent answer when it comes to the self-funding issue? >> i don't think so. i think it's a very powerful point. like it or not, there is tit for tat exchanges on capitol hill. for virtually every politician. you gave me x million number of dollars, therefore i'm going to push your legislation through on the hill. >> and donald trump was on the other end of that and brags about it. that's the problem. he's telling voters pick me because i buy politicians, i won't be the one who's bought. >> he was a businessman at that time. >> it is a bogus talking point and i don't think it's going to work. >> it is not a bogus talking point. >> he brags about the money he gave to the clintons. i don't know how you can sit
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here and say this isn't true. he brags about it. >> do you not acknowledge that being a businessman is very different than being a politician? those are very different roles. when you're a businessman, you do certain things, when you're a politician you do certain things. >> so it's okay if you're a businessman to buy politicians but he's saying he won't be bought but he's been on the other end of that and you're fine with that? >> look at the donations of every wall street ceo. you don't take sides when you're a wall street ceo. you donate to both sides because you don't want to take a side. >> donald trump went and tried to get the money, the big money. they said no. if they said yes, he would take it. he brags about buying politicians. he loves it. >> stand by. we'll take a break and continue the discussion.
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kristen, a lot of people are saying ted cruz should be thanking marco rubio for blunting a trump win in iowa. do you think we could see that happen again in new hampshire or are the players going to be totally different there, do you think? >> i think the players are going to be very different.
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ted cruz benefited from the fact that in iowa such a huge portion of the electorate is evangelical and ted cruz built an operation that really figured out how to turn out the evangelical vote for him. whole different ball game in new hampshire. there you have independents who might choose whether they want to be in the republican or democratic caucus. that's why you see folks like kasich and chris christie who weren't part of the conversation in iowa at all, but who may have surprising nights coming next tuesday in new hampshire. >> there is a pro marco rubio super pac ad hitting ted cruz and donald trump. take a look. >> ted cruz says donald trump has boat loads of liberal positions. donald trump says ted cruz can't beat the democrats. well, they're both right. marco rubio is the conservative who can win. and the clinton machine knows it. rubio beat the establishment. he'll unite republicans and
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restore the american dream. if you're not with marco, you're electing the democrats. >> kayleigh, marco rubio is saying, hey, look, this is a three-man race right now. >> it's really comical to watch that ad. i have great respect for marco rubio. he has a lot of great qualities. really funny to see him paint donald trump and ted cruz as the liberal, establishment candidates. it makes no sense. marco rubio was the the one on the hill with chuck schumer, fighting for this immigration bill that essentially granted amnesty. he would not stand with rand paul and ted cruz to vote for legislation to temporarily ban immigration from terrorist hot bed countries. this is someone who has been on the wrong side of every conservative issue. so it's funny to see him try to move to the right of the only two real conservative candidates in the race. >> kristen, why are you shaking your head? >> marco rubio has a 94% rating
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heritage action, the group that -- >> that doesn't matter. >> he's only 6 behind what -- behind ted cruz. what donald trump stands for is different, working class economic values, which has a republican constituency, but it's very different calling yourself a principled conservative. >> i agree with you, but donald trump has taken some of the boldest conservative stances in this race and not backed down from them. and actually pushed several of the candidates right. >> cherri, last word. >> i don't think that donald trump is a conservative, he's not a republican. he switched parties four or five times in recent years. with regard to how this is going into new hampshire and how this looks different than iowa, today ted cruz actually mentioned john kasich's name. that's not something we've heard. john kasich is a second place in
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most of the polls in new hampshire. i think they've kind of given the first space slot to donald trump because there isn't enough time to capitalize on trump's shocking loss last night in iowa. i think right now you'll see this fight for second place. first time i heard any of the top tier candidates mention john kasich's name. but he is camped out in new hampshire. so that can get interesting. thank you, everyone. up next, bernie sanders' strong showing in iowa. how his campaign is feeling tonight. and final out when we come back what everyone is doing, including bernie sanders. ♪ (cell phone rings) where are you? well the squirrels are back in the attic. mom? your dad won't call an exterminator... can i call you back, mom?
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hillary clinton and bernie sanders fighting it out in new hampshire tonight after her win in iowa. joining me now is van jones, samone sanders, and bakari sellers. samone, it's so good to have you here. >> thank you. it's good to be here.
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>> can you just place shut bakari down? >> i came to play nice tonight. >> samone, you and bernie must be feeling great tonight. >> we are proud of our team in iowa, and we're most proud that our folks proved the pundits wrong and proved i would like to say probably proved bekari wrong. people came out yesterday and they voted. >> he far exceeded expectations. what do you attribute this to? >> i mean, i attribute it to the fact that the senator's message is catching on, that people are feeling his message of we lived in a rigged economy, kept in place by a system of corrupt campaign finance. folks want to know -- folks in america want to know how you're going to put more money in their
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pockets, put food on their table. when we talk about universal health care and education, those are things that have struck a cord in this nation and definitely with iowans. that's why they came out. there was record voter turnout. folks were printing out new registration ballots at the precinct sites. so we are very proud of our iowa ground game. very proud of our supporters that came out and show the political revolution is indeed alive and well. >> bakari, many people are calling this a virtual tie. but is a win a win? especially after the loss in iowa in 2008? >> as someone who won races and lost his last race, i would have loved to win a race by less than a point. a win is a win. but more importantly, hillary clinton became the first female to ever win the iowa caucuses. and i really wish bernie and simone would take a moment to
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congratulate her for shattering that glass ceiling. but i do have to correct her on one point. there isn't some massive revolution as bernie sanders attempts to say. yesterday we only saw 170,000 people turn out to the polls in iowa. that was down 70,000 people from the last time we actually saw a revolution take place in this country in 2008. i've said it once and i'll say it again. >> but that's the second highest they came out. people didn't think folks were going to count on in iowa. young people came out and they shattered everybody's expectations. latino and hispanic results were exceptionally high. that is a correct result from efforts that our campaign and i'm sure others, but we put lots of resources for the latino turnout. >> that's a legitimate point
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that brown voters showed up. but we also know from exit polling bernie sanders lost those voters to hillary clinton by 24 points. i congratulate bernie sanders for exciting voters. i'm so excited that you have a race and what you're doing. but the demographics do change after iowa and number. i think you recognize that. >> van, let me help you out here. these two aren't going to let you get a word in edgewise. to the point about young people coming out, young people, should someone be putting so much stock into young people turning out heavily? because they don't usually do that. you can't really rely on young people to get to the polls to vote. >> i think that's proved to be less and less true. the millennial generation has changed. it used to be you would only rely on the older voters. barack obama helped to change
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that. i think bernie sanders does need to get some credit here. i think it's very important that you did have young voters in iowa. bakari's right, many of them are white. but don't count them out because they're white. they want a better america. they don't want to be told just lower your aim. be reasonable. that's not what you're supposed to tell the next generation. tell them that they can have the america they want and deserve. sanders did that and was rewarded for it. i hope hillary clinton takes a note from bernie sanders. there is a generation out here that's hurting. this young generation loves obama, but they've hurt in these years. they want to be able to have big dreams again. sometimes hillary clinton sounds like she's saying don't dream. stand by, because listen, these two candidates are going to get to debate and talk in the town hall. we'll talk about that coming up. forthcoming here on cnn tonight.
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so there's a fight brewing between sanders and blclinton i the debate. what is this all about? >> both want to get in front of the people that are decide thing primary. they both want to have these debates. we have one thursday that's somewhat being held hostage, because the sanders' campaign, from what i understand, wants more debates, one in particular in new york. hillary clinton wants the immediacy of the debates now, and bernie sanders wants a longer, more protracted debate schedule. [ overlapping speakers ] >> anybody looking objectively
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knows if there's something hillary clinton has done well in this campaign is debate. >> is bernie sanders is going to debate thursday? >> we have laid out some of the stipulations, and senator sanders would love nothing more than to again make a case to the american people. and if things come together, he would be more than willing to do that thursday. we can't let the clinton campaign dictate how this goes. and senator sanders has called for more debates. >> if you're saying that hillary clinton is dictating -- hang on, van. what is the bernie sanders campaign asking for? >> we asked to have a debate in new york. secretary clinton doesn't want to debate in new york. is there something wrong with new york? does she not want to debate in brooklyn? we don't know what's going on. >> she said she agreed with those proposed debates. >> well, we have to -- we'll
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have to have that conversation, because today she noted she didn't want to debate in new york. >> she never said that. >> what this -- she did say it. she said it talking to chris matthews. you better look at your talking points before you get over here. what we're really talking about is candidates being responsible to the american people. from the beginning, senator sanders has been more than willing to stand up and talk about the hard issues. he wants to talk about criminal justice reform. he'll talk about raising the minimum wage. we want to talk about economic inequality. >> we want to know if they're going to debate. are they going to debate thursday or not? >> let me just say this -- >> senator sanders is more than willing to debate. >> here's the thing, we shouldn't even be having this debate about the debate.
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the dnc made a horrible mistake, and you have to blame the dnc and you have to talk about the decision to hide democratic party debates under rocks and trees. oh, we're going to debate the morning of the super bowl. we're going to debate on saturday at 2:00. it's this crazy debate schedule like they were ashamed of the candidates or trying to hide hillary clinton. that's the dnc's fault, not sanders or hillary clinton's fault. >> van, you're a big wig democrat. why didn't you say something about it? >> i came on your show and talked about it and i made phone calls. for some reason, and everybody knows, debbie wasserman schultz has been a great -- >> i'm sure you've got her number.
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>> she's been a great chair. she's raised a lot of money, but she made a real big mistake with this crazy schedule where we're going to debate at 3:00 in the morning before the smurfs come on. and that's why it blew up. >> now we are working with the dnc to schedule more debates. >> i hope hillary clinton and bernie sanders have more debates. we need to have them. i'm proud of them both, because i'm supporting hillary clinton or bernie sanders in november and we'll come together and those debates need to be had. >> not marco rubio? that's a joke. >> you see my face, don? >> i do. time for you to get rid of that vacation beard. samone, do you have a strategy on how to sell voters on a self-described socialist who wants to raise taxes? >> of course we have a strategy, don. first of all, it's very important to note that our message is a message that works
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for all americans, whether they're black, white, latino, or otherwise. and we're seeing that resonate. you know the polls are changing and climbing in places like south carolina. >> but you're preaching to the choir there and you may need some republicans and some centrist independents, or centrist republicans. that's a hard sell for them. >> yeah, we have to talk to -- we have to talk to those people, these white working class republicans who have been voting against their interest for years. >> let me say something here. i think sanders is making a mistake here when he talks about socialism and as soon as he says it, he refers to some village in scandinavia. i think he would be better off saying public libraries were once called socialism. a k-12 education was once called socialism. medicare, social security, they were called socialism, but now
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they make america strong. he never brags on america's -- >> he is saying that! >> he talks about germany and scandinavia and all these weird places. >> he does not talk about germany. >> he does! >> he says, not so long ago in this country, education was free. college education was free. and of a period of years, college has become entirely too expensive for a lot of families. >> don, if i may chime in. to answer your question, the best way the democrats get to 270 is to have a platform that builds on and protects the legacy of barack obama. that's the best way to get to 270. >> but van jones just said that young people are feeling like they didn't have such a great experience under barack obama. did you not say that? >> they love obama, but these obama years have been tough. >> i don't think that i -- me and van will have to have that conversation another day.
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but in terms of building coalitions, in terms of protecting the legacy that he's provided us over eight years, listen, we don't have to sit here and defend the legacy of barack obama. we can talk about how the economy is doing better. we can talk about the billion dollars he invested just today on drug abuse. all of these things. if we have a candidate that wants to build on that like hillary clinton, we can get to 270 on that. >> bernie sanders said he doesn't want to build on that. >> bernie sanders never said that. our medicare for all builds on the enormous success that is the affordable health care act. under bernie sanders' plan, you're not taking anything away from the affordable health care act. the only thing you do lose, we've got in network, out of network. you won't have that. that's the conversation we can have. that's why senator sanders is calling for more debates. >> she's good, y'all.
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>> thank you for having me. >> next time we're going to go here and go, uh-huh. thank you. we'll be right back.
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