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shiro and his men are now starting to clear the wreckage left behind by isis but they can't erase the terror inflicted here. clarissa ward, cnn, hassakah province, syria. >> shocking. the news continues next on cnn. hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. it is thursday. you're watching cnn. thank you for being with me here. five days out now from the first in the nation primary in new hampshire. the only two democrats remaining in the race for the white house, they're battling it out over the ideological direction of their party's future. bernie sanders is trying to spark what he calls a political revolution. while hillary clinton is trying to convince voters she is the best candidate to lead the democrats in what will be a post obama era. they laid out their cases. faced excellent questions from these voters in new hampshire.
all the while going after one another in cnn's democratic town hall. the two have been locked in a bit of a tussle. it all boils down to who is the most progressive. here they were. >> you can't go and say you're a moderate on one day and be a progressive on the other day. some of my best friends are moderates. i love moderates. but you can't be a moderate and a progressive, they are different. >> i said i'm a progressive who likes to get things done. i was somewhat amused today that senator sanders has set himself up to be the gatekeeper on who's a progressive because under the definition that was flying around on twitter and statements by the campaign, barack obama would not be a progressive, joe biden would not be a progressive. >> i do not know any progress ive who has a superpack and takes $15 million from wall street. that's not a progressive.
>> they paid for three speeches, was that a mistake? >> look, i made speeches to lots of groups. i told them what i thought. i answered questions. >> but did you have to be paid $600,000? >> well, i don't know. that's what they offered. you know, every secretary of state that i know has done that. >> but that's once they're out of office and not running for office. you must have known. >> to be honest, i wasn't committed to running. >> we're going to talk about some of the highlights. but we have to take you to the white house. president obama flanked by the champion golden state warriors. let's take a listen. >> riley curry would be here today to share the podium with me but i guess i'm going to have to get media training some other day.
we've got some members of my candidate and congress in the house who are big fans. i don't just mean harrison barns who apparently they call the senator. he's from iowa. so maybe he's got some politics in his blood. our leader in the house of representatives, democratic leader nancy pelosi. republican leader kevin mccathy is here so this is bipartisan. we have mayor shaft is here.
we're glad to celebrate. i also want to recognize executive board member and nba legend, jerry west. as well as general manager bob myers. give them a big round of applause. now, it is rare to be in the presence of guys from the greatest team in nba history. so we're pretty lucky today because we've got one of those
players in the house, steve kerr from the 1995/'96 chicago bulls. it's good to see you back. now, for those of you who don't know, the warriors started the season without coach kerr who was recovering from back surgery. he stepped up for the team's record. unfortunately, the nba won't count those wins as his own. which, man, that doesn't seem fair. you defied the cynics. you accomplished big things. you racked up a big record. and you don't get enough credit.
i can't imagine how that feels. now, the warriors are in the midst of a pretty special two-year run. they are so good they seem to be just breaking the game itself. i don't play any more but i still know a little bit about basketball and this really is one of the best that we've ever seen. great shooting. great passing. a small ball nuclear lineup. it's almost not fair. and they play not just well but they play well together. they play as a team the way basketball's supposed to be played. it's beautiful to watch. when they're working on all cylinders. now, let's face it, beautiful
was not how folks described the warriors for many years. i may be one of the few who are old enough to remember the last time they were good. back in the middle '70s. last time they won a championship. i was 10 years old. so the franchise had some great teams but they were struggling. one college player even forgot there was a team in oakland. that was clay thompson by the way. [ laughter ] but a few years ago, joe took over, pointed out, pinted o that
1975 championship banner and said that's a very lonely flag, we need another one. last year, they got it. 67 wins. 16 straight at one point. that used to seem like a lot until this year where they started off 24-0. ended last season with their first title in four years. obviously, a big part of that was league mvp stef curry. stef's a pretty good shooter. for those of you who watched the game against the wizards last night, it was, to use slang, he was clowning. he was all jumping up and down.
[ laughter ] just settle down. by the way, for the record, i heard during this summer after our golf game that steph was using the excuse of secret service being intimidating for why he lost the match. that is not the case. but he will have another opportunity. obviously, watching steph play is incredible. for anybody who enjoys basketball, it is just a lot of fun. but it's not just steph. there's the other splash brother, clay, who dropped 37 points in a quarter. and whose jump shot is actually a little prettier.
[ laughter ] i'm just saying. there were barne' dunks, dramon green showing us heart over height every single night. also known to add a few more words i cannot repeat. then you've got a couple of unselfish all-stars in their own right. that were coming off the bench. andrea iguodala and david lee. and a bench that was so good an opposing coach complained they have two starting lineups. in the finals, state faced cleveland and a guy named lebron. down two games to one, coach kerr had the guts to shake up
the lineup and it worked. andre came off the bench, played great "d," took home the finals mvp and is the perfect example of the kind of team this is. everybody doing their part. everybody ready to step up at any moment. unselfish play. folks looking out for each other. it's the same kind of selflessness the warriors show in their community as well. they led their way to the my brothers keeper initiative. i know they met with some students in the white house mentor program earlier today. this team's also supporting the city's oakland promise effort to help more kids make it through college. you've had -- [ applause ] you've had players take a stand against gun violence. work with -- [ applause ]
they've worked with michelle's let's move initiative. they've dressed up as santa to deliver christmas presents to those in need. and the first time i met steph was because he partnered with the u.n. foundation to donate three anti-malaria mosquito nets for every three pointers he makes. so last night, that's 33 nets. so keep shooting, not that he needs any encouragement obviously. yes, the point is, this is a great basketball team. but it's a great organization. it's a great culture. and these are outstanding young men. and some of them i met before. steph, i've gotten to know a little better. they're just -- they're the kind of people you want representing a city. representing the nba. and the kinds of people that you want our kids to be rooting for. so they have a lot to be proud
of. good luck for the rest of this season. maybe you'll break that bulls record. but as coach kerr pointed out, he wins either way. either way, he's got the record. so thanks everybody. congratulations. >> president obama, having some fun, cutting up a little bit with the golden state warriors there. it's fun to see the president with some people a little taller than him there at the white house. they'rere to say hello. it's been pretty fun to watch that also sitting alongside oakland is your home away from home, van jones. you used to work at that house on pennsylvania as well. >> a lot of worlds coming together for me. >> seeing steph curry, harrison barnes, carolina tar heel, standing right behind the president, him sort of talking smack about the golf game with steph and blaming it on secret service for his poor performance. these have to be fun moments for the president.
>> listen, that was president obama at his best, you know, the ease, the fun, the excitement of it. also, he's a true basketball fan. >> his love for chicago. >> exactly. that whole kind of rivalry. but the only thing about that team, which they don't get enough credit for, oakland, people pore gforget, is in the area. they use computers in a way no other team does. they count all the passes. they have algorithms. you're not just seeing physical mastery, you're seeing a mental game that nobody's seen before. i love that team and i love steph curry. >> van, thank you. stay with me. let's move along and talk politics. both clinton and sanders got very personal at cnn's town hall in new hampshire, opening up to voters about their faith and how it guides the way they live their lives. >> i would not be here tonight. i would not be running for president of the united states, if i did not have very strong religious and spiritual faith.
i believe as a human being the pain one person feels. if we have children who are hungry in america. if we have elderly people who can't afford their prescription drugs, you know what, that impacts you, that impacts me. i worry very much about a society where some people spiritually say it doesn't matter to me, i got it, i don't care about other people. so my spirituality is we are all in this together. >> i feel very fortunate that i am a person of faith. that i was raised in my church. i've had to be in public dealing with some very difficult issues. personal issues, political issues. regardless of how hard the days are, how difficult the decisions are, be grateful. be grateful for being a human being. being part of the universe. be grateful for your limitations. know you have to reach out to
have more people with you, to support you, to advise you. listen to your critics. answer the questions. but at the end, be grateful. >> van jones back with me. you and i have had many conversations. gratitude is everything in life. these two got really personal talking about faith that really resonated with you. >> yes, it was beautiful because so often faith is this kind of thing where they say, oh, i'm a person of faith, i go to church. i think they were kind of caught off guard by the questions and they didn't seem prepared. what you actually heard on bernie's side who you can think as this sectiular, socialist gu. he talks about a spiritual becoming more common, not religious, i believe in god, but spiritual, i believe in connection, i believe in transcendence. and then you heard hillary clinton. what she said. one thing she said, when you deal with criticism, take it
seriously but not personally. then she turned to the faith. you can preach on that. that is beautiful. that is beautiful. and so i felt like they were not pandering. i felt like they were not prepared. i thought we saw a side of both of them very rare in american life. >> another side of bernie sanders that i think not a lot of americans are really aware of is his role, his arrest during the civil rights era back when he was fighting for the see segregation of the university of chicago housing and the schooling there. he talked about how he was arrested, his passion for fight injustices here. >> there will be no president who will fight harder to end institutional racism than i will. and we've got to reform a very, very broken criminal justice system. it breaks my heart and i know that it breaks the hearts of millions of people in this country to see videos on television of unarmed people, often african-americans, shot by
police. that has got to end. >> we learned today that the former head of the naacp is endorsing him. but yet we were talking about this earlier. when you look at the numbers in terms of the african-american vote, when you think especially important to south carolina, according to this nbc washington journal poll, bernie sanders has 17%, hillary clinton, 74%, why? >> because the clintons have been a part of our community for a very long time. bernie sanders, as beloved as he is among progressives, has just not put in the time. hard to find a picture of bernie sanders in a black church recently. >> he did so much long ago. do people not know that? >> when you see at 17 is room to grow. i don't think people really get this. ben jealouss is a major, major
force in the black community. the naacp was about to go out of business. under his leadership, the naacp endorsed 1 million more black voters in 2012 than they did in 2008. that sends a signal that some of the younger african-americans are looking at the clintons differently. remember, bill clinton doubled the prison population from 1 million to 2 million under his eight-year watch. now in the days of black lives matter, that's a mark against hillary clinton. just like the nra vote is a mark against bernie sanders. this may come into the mix. i think what you'll see is bernie sanders making a real serious play for black votes. i think the clintons will overwhelmingly build that black vote. you watch that start to climb. gives you a sense of a new generation out there that might be more open to hearing from bernie sanders. >> really strong from both of them last night. really personal moments. >> i thought anderson cooper, he
sprinkled that cooper dust out there somehow. and he got that -- >> he did a nice job. >> he got that place feeling very intimate and they both spoke from their hearts. i think no matter who you are, if you thought you knew bernie sanders and you thought you knew hillary clinton, you saw something last night you never saw before. >> agreed. van johnson, thank you. up next, no holding back in the race to be the establishment's choice in the republican party. chris christie unleashing on marco rubio. you know what, he's not the only one. plus, the awkward live tv moment when rick santorum had to come up with at least one of rubio's accomplishments when he was explaining why he was officially supporting him. and donald trump. now suggesting ted cruz's actions in iowa are criminal. details ahead.
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he's the one that got justice roberts on to the united states supreme court. he approved him. justice roberts approved obamacare twice when it should have been rejected. his vote got it over the top. ted cruz did that. ted cruz gave us obamacare. >> it is no surprise that donald is throwing yet another temper tantrum or, if you like, yet another trumpertantrum. there's a reason that donald engages in insult after insult. because he can't debate the substance. >> crews there responding to the accusation that cruz stole his win in iowa due to misleading mailers. cruz's campaign sent out, selling cruz voters that ben carson was dropping out when the candidate was only taking a trip to florida. with me now, dana bash, and a.b.
stoddard, associate editor with the hill. dana, listen, donald trump has been on this warpath against cruz but why isn't he attacking marco rubio now? >> you know, it's a good question. we all thought that coming out of iowa, he could be doing that. he just had a few kind of side remarks about why is everybody making such a fuss out of marco rubio, he came in third, i came in second. but since then, not so much. but i think that the most interesting question is at least today as opposed to last night which she just played is why isn't she attacking anyone. you can see it's empty behind me, but he was here with a packed house about an hour ago, and he is really getting back to basics. he didn't hurl insults at anybody. he didn't read his polls and talk about how wonderful he's doing. he talked about what people
started liking him for. for the fact that he is not and cannot be bought and sold by lob lobbyists or big donors. that he knows how to make a deal and he can bring that to washington. and the issue of immigration which is a standard line for him. it's fascinating to me that he really tried to limit it. he had kind of a -- almost a different demeanor where he seemed to understand that he needs to be and wants to be more appealing. and that certainly came through in the way he changed up his stump speech today. >> all right. so that's donald trump today. what about chris christie? because he's wasting no time. when you look at what he's been saying over the course of the last 48 hours, he mocked marco rubio as the boy in the bubble and so much more. >> rubio hasn't accomplished one thing in his entire career. he doesn't have one major accomplishment. marco rubio has been the most protected coddled candidate in this entire race. he gives the same 60-second
canned answers. let the boy come out of the bubble. let's see what he can take. what he can take the heat. >> i just wanted to play that for everyone because it's like boom, boom, boom, from chris christie. will it work in presidential politics? >> i just don't think it makes any sense for him now. his comeback in new hampshire from the back of the pack to a contender, the one with the biggest momentum in december, was because he was playing it straight. he was talking about his capability. talking about his accomplishments. i think out of every single candidate in both parties, brooke, he's involved the most in this cycle. now he's throwing it away with petty and obnoxious insults. he should be worried about who's going to come in fourth there. if you look at the potential for four openings. if you look at cruz and trump and ruin you in new hampshire, and he wants to beat out kasich
and bush, he's wasting his time with these attacks on marco rubio. talking about how long he stays at town halls. i have never heard this in any campaign ever. a candidate not staying in a town hall long enough and he's not answering questions the right way. it's a waste of his time. >> on marco rubio, we talked this time yesterday, we were getting the news of what would be the next shoe to drop in the republican race and now we know he's endorsed marco rubio. instead of helping him, santorum ended up highlighting a perceived weakness of rubio's. when asked multiple times to name a major rubio accomplishment -- well, let me just play that for you. >> what do you list as marco rubio's top accomplishment that made you decide to endorse him? >> well, i mean, i would just say there's a guy that's been able to, number one, won a top election in florida. >> can you name a top
accomplishment in the senate, actually working in the senate doing something that tilted your decision to marco rubio? >> you know, here's what i would say about that. my feeling on marco is someone who has tremendous potential, tremendous gift. the republicans have been a majority for one year and one month. of which as you know he was running for president primarily. the first five years, he was in the minority and nothing got done. >> i mean, listen, dana, they were trying to get, you know, some response. maybe he didn't have enough coffee this morning. i don't know. do you think people are more attracted to the idea? >> rick santorum has enough energy for all of us, he doesn't need coffee. the real answer is what he's most known for is something that rick santorum couldn't say, which is helping to push forward a bipartisan immigration bill, a comprehensive immigration bill. one that he says, and i've been with him at a couple of town halls here now in the past few days in new hampshire, that, you
know, he insists he's proud of, he, rubio, but that it just can't get done for various reasons. so that's the hard thing i think for rick santorum. back to the whole idea of chris christie, you know, pounding away at rubio. i do think that a.b. is right, that it might not help to go full jersey on rubio. but this is a guy who is clearly very frustrated. he has been doing what you're supposed to do. following the john mccain model to come up from the political dead and he sees marco rubio coming in here and he's clearly just annoyed about it. that i think is part of it. the other part of it is at this point people know who chris christie is and i just know that anecdotically from talking to a lot of people who go to rubio events and they say they've seen chris christie and they like him. what he's trying to stop is people who do like chris christie from going to rubio
because they think, these voters think, that rubio is the winner. that i think is what the strategy is behind the christie comments. >> dana bash, a.b. stoddard, ladies, thank you very much. new hampshire is the place to watch over the next couple of days. donald trump will join anderson cooper this evening 8:00 eastern here on cnn. coming up next, florida and georgia are now officially on notice. as this mosquito-borne zika virus continues to spread. all of this among growing calls to cancel the summer olympics in brazil where more than 1 million people are believed infected. we'll talk to sanjay gupta next. born with a hunger to fly and a passion to build something better. and what an amazing time it's been, decade after decade of innovation, inspiration and wonder. so, we say thank you america for a century of trust,
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the zika outbreak is spreading around the world. both florida and georgia are the latest states to confirm zika cases. in fact, florida's governor declaring a public health emergency. that state has nine cases, all from infected travelers coming back to the usa. on the heels of the first confirmed case of the virus being transmitted through sex in the u.s. that happened in dallas. now the governor of texas has beefed up his response teams. two major airlines, both dealt and united, are allowing some employees to opt out of traveling to zika infected areas. let's bring in the man with the answers here our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. as we keep reporting on these additional states, these
additional cases, the spread of zika something they anticipated or is this sort of, you know, aharm bells ringing? >> i think they anticipated this. keep in mind all the people who have come back to the united states, those are people who are infected, have come back from one of these countries where zika is spreading. besides that situation in texas you mentioned where a man brought back zika and then through sex was -- ineffected somebody else. everyone else in the united states got this somewhere else and brought it back. that was expected. what they think will likely happen, although in very, very small amounts, is some local spread. probably in south florida, south texas. those are the areas where this type of virus has spread before. >> we were talking during the commercial break, so the originating country you said was uganda, spread to south america. one of the countries where it spread, brazil. now these growing calls to possibly cancel the summer olympics in rio. is that a little premature?
>> yeah, i think it is premature. i'll tell you why, brooke. keep in mind, this is sort of the good news part of this. that is the vast majority of people who get a zika infection will have little or no symptoms. they may likely not even know they had the infection. so there's obviously a significant concern among women who are pregnant. i think the guidance has been that women who are pregnant probably shouldn't be going to one of these countries where zika is circulating. also keep in mind in terms of the way it did come from africa and then eventually making its way to south america, it was via travel. it wasn't mosquitoes, it was a person who carried the virus in their bloodstream, landed in a place where mosquitos were around that person and they started to spread it. that's how this virus moves around the world. >> got it. got it. sanjay, thank you. coming up next, a former colleague of both jeb bush and marco rubio, former house speaker in florida is teaming up
you are back. the x1 voice remote is here. right now, jeb bush is scrambling to kick start his presidential bid after finishing a distance sixth place in iowa. the former florida governor is vowing to wow supporters in upcoming new hampshire. for the bush camp, the pressure is on, big time. will retherford is joining me, one of seven former and current florida house speakers who signed this full page ad slamming rubio, praising bush in the new hampshire leader. >> happy to be on. >> let me just ask you, why is
marco rubio, you know, not as qualified as jeb bush for the presidency in your opinion? >> well, i think the letter we wrote spoke for itself to the citizens of new hampshire. we all have respect for senator rubio. we all served with senator rubio when he was a house member and speaker of the house. the fact of the matter is, when you compare and you contrast the records of the two men and the accomplishments of the two men, marco rubio's record pails in comparison to jeb bush's. jeb bush was a transformational governor in the state of florida. he transformed our schools. he transformed our economy. marco rubio was a speaker of the house and he certainly did a fine job but his record doesn't compare to governor bush's. we want people to know that in new hampshire. >> okay, so in new hampshire, we've heard this from senator lindsay gram who endorsed jeb bush, by the way, saying if rubio beats him badly in new hampshire, jeb is toast. toast. would you agree with that?
>> i think it would be a bad night for us. >> new hampshire is a place where bush needs to perform well. nobody is denying that bush needs to perform well. he's polling second in the polls. i've been on the ground there with him. there is momentum moving his way. people are starting to look for a leader. they're moving out of the entertainment phase of this campaign -- >> i know there are a lot of polls out there. bottom line, if he does not have a strong night, would you jump ship? >> i would never jump ship. i don't think you jump ship from your friends or people you're supporting. i think if the citizens of new hampshire are looking for a leader with a proven record who can unite our party and conservatives, they will find that person in governor jeb bush. >> let me play some sound. this is jeb bush campaigning in new hampshire.
>> i think the next president needs to be a lot quieter but send a signal that we're prepared to act in the national security interest of this country. to get back in the business of creating a more peaceful world. please clap. >> please clap. i mean, listen, this is somebody -- i feel like he's so totally likable. maybe he's too nice. he had to verbally cue the audience to applaud for him in new hampshire. what do you think is behind his troubles? in this race? >> think that video's a little out of context. i think he was doing that to be funny, which it was funny if you were there. the truth of the matter is, he is connecting in new hampshire. he's polling in second place. he's right there bunched up with everybody else. donald trump. which still baffled my mind. is leading the pack in new hampshire. he has an opportunity to beat them there. if he does, i think it will be a transformational moment for his campaign. >> all right, will weatherford,
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one of the most important eleme elements is the body composition of a player. the current methods available are very expensive. because this product is so convenient, what coaches and trainers are telling us is now i can have my players do this more regularly and help them optimize their body composition. >> the current methods for measuring muscle health typically include invasive needles or biopsies so they're hoping the new device will become the alternative. brooke, i know you live an active lifestyle, so now you can see how those muscles measure up. >> i try, i try. coy wire, enjoy san francisco. thank you so much. we'll see you back here tomorrow. meantime, next, donald trump or ted cruz, former president jimmy carter weighing in on this
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candidate to lead the democrats in this post-obama era. they faced some awesome questions from these voters in new hampshire. all the way going after one another in cnn's democratic town hall. the two have been locked in a heated tussle. a lot of it boils down to who is the most progressive candidate. >> secretary clinton said some people call me -- i'm paraphrasing. some people call me a moderate. i proudly say i am a moderate. that's what she said. so when all i say, you can't go and say you're a moderate on one day and be a progressive on the other day. >> i was amused sanders has set himself up to be the gatekeeper on what is progressive. under the definition flying around on twitter and statements by the campaign, barack obama would not be a proprogressive. >> let's begin with cnn political director david chalian. why is this so important, this label, progressive, to voters?
>> well, because that's really how the base of the democratic party thinks of himself. brooke, as they are battling not in a general election context right now obviously but in the context of trying to win the democratic nomination. it's interesting now because here in new hampshire, as you know, independents play a big role. they can choose will primary they want to play in. i'm not sure the independents who play in the democratic party consider themselves progressives. that is why you probably saw hillary clinton trying to strike a balance, more than just try to get to bernie sanders left. >> i think they both did well last night. i think there were some great questions. especially when they both hit on individually talking about spirituality, talking about faith, talking about gratitude. here is, first, bernie sanders. >> what do you say to a voter out there who says -- who sees faith as a guiding principle in their lives and wants it to be a
guiding principle -- >> guiding principle on life, absolutely. so my spirituality is that we are all in this together. and that when children go hungry, when veterans sleep out on the street, it impacts me. >> i think what people have been following senator sanders, maybe they think of him as more of a secular candidate. that resonated. >> without a doubt. i thought this was so interesting, brooke. we so very rarely here sanders talk about faith in anyway. he connected it to his core message of why he was running for president. that indeed he does get from spiritual experience from his faith, even though he is not an actively participating jewish person. he does say that his faith, his spirituality, is what ties him to this notion of trying to create a more equal economic footing for everyone in the country. i thought it was really interesting how he connected it. it's not how we normally hear him speak.
>> here was hillary clinton. >> i feel very fortunate that i am a person of faith. that i was raised in my church and that i have had to deal and struggle with a lot of these issues about ambition and humility, about service and self-gratification. it's that balance that i keep to try to find in my life that i want to see back in our country. and it will be something that i continue to talk about with a, you know, with a group of faith advisers who are close to me. i get a scripture lesson every morning from a minister that i have a really close personal relationship with. >> we've heard her talk about faith recently. we've heard bill clinton talk about hillary clinton's faith recently. is this a first in terms of how much they've discussed it? >> yeah, i was blown away by this last night as i was
watching this. because hillary clinton herself was talking about how she's been on the public stage for 25 years now. in a really prominent way. when anderson asked her, let's get to some personal questions later on in the town hall, she's like, is there anything left to learn about me? yet she did have this moment, this question from the rabbi in the audience. i've never heard her so publicly discuss this balance between ambition and humility. you could sort of sense she was working through her thinking of it in the moment. i don't think she'd ever really heard a question like that before and for being in public life as long as she has, the fact she had the ability to still show us a side of her we haven't seen before, i found really remarkable. >> talking about gratitude. david chalian, thank you very much in new hampshire. from faith and these personal moments back to this notion of who is the more progressive candidate. how much do voters even really care whether somebody is progressive versus more center moderate. joining me now, we have both sides represented.
former michigan governor jennifer grand holm. and our other guest the executive director of the accountability project. welcome to both of you. let me begin, let's see, on this notion of what is a progressive, just quickly, nicky, first to you, define progressive for me. >> well, you know, i think these labels are a little air kayic. it's somebody who is able to stick to the issues of the democratic party and what they care about over their career. and for millennials in particular, which is where i see this battle for the soul of the democratic party existing between generations, millennials don't care about labels, they care about backbone, they care about authenticity. when they see the alternative to bernie sanders, changing her positions on a few key issues, that raises a red flag. that's why women mel lyillenniae
backing bernie sanders. >> it is an issue because both of the candidates are bringing it up, this issue of what is progressive, so it's totally germane. governor, douto you, define progressive for me. >> i agree, i think it is a label. i think putting 500 million solar panels on houses like hillary clinton is proposing is progress im. fighting for a woman's right to choose is progressive. i think her policies with respect to wall street are progressive. so i think you have to look at the policies. i think you have to look at where they've been all of their lives. >> what about the fact that she has also called herself, governor, moderate? can you be both? >> when you have to negotiate, sometimes your positions end up being more to the center because you are negotiating with folks on the right. her ultimate core is a progressive core and it's been a
progressive core ever since she was in college. she has been a progressive and has fought on the ground for progressive issues and that's just who she is. can i say, just quickly, one of the things she said last night, dovetailing off your last guest, is her faith. she was raised a methodist. and in the progressive community, we often cite the 25th chapter of matthew which the lord says whatever you do to the least these so you do unto me. she started out the children's defense fund. who are the least of these. kids who were disabled. kids who were in prison. she has been fighting for progressive causes. that's part and parcel of who she is. >> i think the issue is not whether she's a progressive at her core, it's about whether she stands for progressive issues most of the time. her center record, mainly because she did vote for the
iraq war. she deregulated wall street. these are issues that are core to the progressive principles of the democratic party which is more progressive than it was ten years ago when she ran for president against barack obama. even though she started the defense fund, she is still quite hawkish. millennials in particular suffering the consequences of the recession, of the iraq war, you know, that speaks to them. if she is among progressives, take away the labels. we want to feel it. we want to know you're advocating for these issues, not just doing it when it's convenient. that's why progressives are upset because it's not about the fact that she voted once or twice for banning legislation or she talks about three or four pieces of legislation, it's that she's do it all the time. she's negotiating from the progressive and coming to the center, not starting over and negotiating to the republican side. >> let me jump in because i also am wondering from either of you to comment on the opposite rival
candidate. gov, the fact we did hear so much about bernie sanders role in the 60s and his arrest, you know, over his fight for desegregating housing and the schools. were you impressed by that? >> totally, totally. how can you not be impressed by anybody who is consistently making sure they are talking about income in equality. and people of course appreciate that very much about bernie sanders. i'm not even going to put a butt at the end of that sentence as i expect the person on the other end of this is going to either. of course, excited we've got a discussion here about progressivety in the democratic party, that's exciting. >> what hillary clinton has done ever since she graduated law school, fighting women's rights from the get. even though you mentioned, you know, she isn't polling as well with young women still strong, you're impressed with that. >> yes, i interned for her when
i was 15 years old. i respect her. i deeply respect her. but i see our party is -- >> wait, no but, no but. >> ah, sorry. >> you couldn't help yourself, could you? >> -- the next generation -- i respect you too as well, read your book but, you know, i think we need to be investing in the next generation of leadership and i think even though bernie sanders is 72, he acknowledges this generation. he wants to include them. unfortunately, as someone who even ran for congress myself, i did not feel that from the democratic party. i did not feel that from the blue dog. in that era, blue dog era is sadly over and hillary clinton got that message. >> i felt some compliments -- >> wait, i wanted to say, she's going to be fighting for young people too, it's not fair to say that at all. she is going to be and has fought for young people her entire life so that's really not fair. >> thank you for both of your voice, governor granholm, nicky, thank you so much. this is competitive indeed. cnn will be live simulcasting
the pbs news house presidential democratic debate next thursday night february 11st. hillary clinton, bernie sanders, they will face off in milwaukee, wisconsin, starting at 9:00 eastern. you can watch it on cnn and your local pbs station. coming up, did jimmy carter just endorse donald trump? no. not exactly. the former president would prefer trump over cruz. we'll tell you why. plus, kasich, bush, casey, new hampshire is make or break time for all of those governors. what can they do other the course of the next few days to go all in? the ben stein, former nixon speechwriter ben stein, has some ideas, we'll chat with him. and this horrific story, these two college students charged in the murder of a 13-year-old. the teenager, a cancer survivor. now investigators may have discovered something online that could lead to a motive. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin.
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campaigning as his own man. after finishing sixth in iowa, he is bringing in the matt tree yak. the big question is, will this work and for that matter what other maybe last ditch strategies can help these different candidates whose political fates may be hinging on it. ben stein, how are you sir, it's been too long. >> it's been way too long, i'm great, how are you? >> i'm wonderful. let's just begin with, hey, listen, if you were in the trenches for these three establishment candidates, jeb bush, chris christie, john kasich, starting with jeb bush, what is the top of your strategy list? >> well, let's not bring out my mother. especially because my mother's dead. i would say talk about your experience. talk about his extremely good record as governor of florida. so far the campaign has been about flash, trash and cash.
plenty of cash from where mr. bush is coming from. let's talk about experience. get things done. that's where jeb christie. >> he's a brilliant super debater. i saw him talking about the flood and somebody said why aren't you down in new hampshire cleaning up the flood. he said, what do you want me to do, get out a mop. he's a clever smart guy. i think he may not be presidential visually so think that's a problem for him. >> just quickly, all the tough new jersey talk, taking on marco rubio, you think that's a good thing for him? >> no, marco rubio at this point has incredible shine coming off him. i think to call him the boy in the bubble is just condescending and silly and doesn't make sense. kasich in a way has the most -- or kasich, i'll repronounce it, has the most impressive record in federal government and state government. extraordinarily good record. but he is the most boring guy i
have ever seen on television in my entire life, including myself. >> tell us how you really feel about john kasich. >> i like him. >> okay, okay. so that's your opinion on the governors. let me talk about jimmy carter. he's the one who really put iowa and the caucus on the map some decades ago. democrats, he was at the house of lords today, he was interviewed by a bbc report better who he would support. he's supporting the dem. but then asked between cruz and trump and he picked trump. so ted cruz boasted that jimmy carter would pick trump if he had to choose. >> well, that is real. jimmy carter yesterday, he said between donald trump and ted cruz, i would support donald trump. and he explained why. carter said because trump is mallabel. he doesn't have any core beliefs. so he'll work with us and do
what we want. cruz, that guy believes this stuff. >> so hold on. i want to be precise. cruz took some liberty with what carter said. if you read the atlanta journal constitution today, they're reporting carter would not pick cruz because, quote, ted cruz is not malleable. my question to you, sir, not being malleable, not being able to comcompromise. is that something cruz should be boasting about? >> no, and cruz is an interesting character. i like him very much. great education. very interesting, he is not at all liked by his fellow senators. does not speak well of his ability to get things done. on the other hand, i think mr. carter has nailed it. basically, trump is a liberal. trump voted for obama in 2008. has contributed a lot to planned parenthood and other pro-choice so-called charities. trump is a fake conservative. to the core. fake as fake can be. >> finally, bernie sanders, he
took part in the cnn town hall last night. >> i saw him. >> he actually responded to his "saturday night live"alter ego. >> do you do a larry david imitation? >> i know you've been in journalism for an long time. >> are you doing your larry david right now? >> this is the scoop. i am larry david and you didn't get it. >> i am larry david. i mean, it's like you close your eyes and you almost hear the same. you almost hear the same person. do you think larry david's portrayal of bernie sanders on snl, do you think that's actually helped him in this race? >> i think everything has been helping him. think he has tapped into a mood in american young people which is saying we want a change, we especially want to get those student loans off our back. and this is a guy to do it. he's an old guy but he understands we don't want to bail on these student loans. i think sanders has tapped in brilliantly. he's an old guy.
he's two or three years older than i am. but he's a damn smart guy. and he sees which way the wind is blowing. he's an impressively smart guy. >> ben stein, thank you as always. thanks. >> my honor. my honor. >> donald trump by the way sits down with anderson cooper for a live interview this evening. ac 360, 8:00 eastern, do not miss that, here on cnn. coming up next, chris christie and jeb bush reportedly some of their operative, their campaign operatives back channeling with one another, going after marco rubio. we have the details on the behind the scenes maneuverings coming up. also ahead, bernie sanders admits he could have done a better job handling the crisis at the v.a. hospitals across the country. we're going to dig into his record on veterans issues coming up.
republican rivals chris christie and jeb bush may be communicating in order to attack a mutual target, that being marco rubio. apparently the bush and christie camps are worried about his post-iowa balance heading into the new hampshire primary it both candidates have unveiled fresh attacks on rubio. christie unleashing some pretty blistering lines. >> marco rubio hasn't accomplished one thing in his entire career. the guy has sat in the united states senate for five years and doesn't have one major accomplishment. marco rubio has been the most protected coddled candidate in this entire race. where he gives the same canned answers. let the boy come out of the bubble. let's see what he can take. what he can take the heat. >> that's chris christie. the jabs from jeb bush a bit
mild. he emphasized his strong support among florida officials who have worked with him and rubio. >> you look at the three statewide elected officials that are in florida. all of them are supporting me. a majority of the congressmen are supporting me. a majority of the state senate and statehouse members are supporting me. it's not that they don't like marco, it's they know i'm a proven leader. he hasn't been in position to do it. that's not attacking. that's just reality. >> and when you read a piece in "the new york times" today, there is shared concern about rubio. that's prompted some back channel discussions between the bush and the christie campaigns. let's go to cnn inside politics contributor jonathan martin who broke that story for "the times," joins me now from new hampshire. talk to me more about this back channel. what do you know? >> well, basically you've got some operatives in the two campaigns who, like a lot people
who work in politics, have long-standing relationships. in this case, they have a mutual interest and they have an alliance of convenience. they've got to stop marco rubio from emerging here and basically solidifying his claim as the establishment candidate going forward into south carolina. if they can't do it here, it's going to be awfully hard going forward. they're trying to figure out ways informally to slow down the rubio train. it's pretty clear, brooke from the clip you just played that the division of labor very much includes christie doing the attack lines. and i think jeb is doing some of his share but i think jeb's contribution is much more in the way of his super pac attacking marco rubio. if you look at those chris christie lines, i mean, he is just going after rubio something fierce, oh, my gosh. >> i've had a couple different folks saying might not be a great idea. maybe it worked in new jersey.
might not work when it comes to the nomination contest. that said, i'm curious, jonathan, when we talk about maybe some of the operatives back channeling all for the common good which is getting rubio down and then the finish perhaps in new hampshire. how uncommon is this kind of communication? >> actually, if you look at past presidential campaigns where you've got multicandidate primaries, this kind of i think does tend to happen. you saw it happen in the 2004 primary, the democratic side. there was an interest in stopping howard dean between gephardt and kerry. you saw it to some degree in '08 where mccain and huckabee wanted to stop mitt romney. it's not uncommon for these sort of temporary alliances to form. it's a lot easier for it to happen when you've got a candidate like rubio who the christie and bush camps both think has not gotten the kind of scrutiny their candidates have received and that's really the back story, there's deep
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the presidential candidates have been answering a lot of tough questions but until now the topic of dying with dignity wasn't one of them. during our cnn town hall in new hampshire, 81-year-old jim, who is suffering from terminal colon cancer, asked hillary clinton this question. >> i'm walking with colon cancer with the word terminal in my vocabulary. i wonder what leadership you could offer with an executive role that might help advance the respectful conversation that is needed around this personal
choice that people may make. >> i want -- i want as president to try to catalyze that debate because i believe you're right, this is going to become an issue more and more often. we are on the good side having many people live long are but often then with very serious illnesses that they can be sustained on but at some point don't want to continue with the challenges that poses. so i don't have any easy or glib answer for you. i think i would want to really immerse myself in the ethical writings, the health writings, scientific, religious. i know some other countries, netherlands and others, have a quite open approach. i'd like to know what their experience has been. because we have to be sure that nobody is coerced. nobody is under duress. and that is a difficult line to draw.
>> she also said that was the first time she has ever been asked that question. let me bring in barbara kunes lee. with an organization dedicated to protecting the rights of the termally ill. thank you for joining us. i know you helped write and get this death with dignity law passed in oregon. i want to get your response to hillary clinton's response in a moment. first, just your personal story. you were an icu er nurse, a physician's assistant for 25 years. but the death of a state senator really touched you. tell me why. >> he was an advocate for his own choices. he was also a victim of political process that does not take into account the values, the beliefs, of individuals themselves facing very difficult challenges at the end of life. so he introduced a bill that got no serious consideration. he died in a way that would not
have been his first choice. it was not consistent with an option he sought to make available for all the people of oregon. he was a wonderful man. a very highly regarded statesman. he deserved better. >> so here we have -- we talked about death with dignity certainly in the last year or so. in the middle of this presidential race, the fact that clinton says, i've never gotten this question. were you satisfied with her answer? >> i thought her answer was a wonderful answer. it was thoughtful. it was open minded. and i think it reflected the complexity of the issue. the questioneer did not about a particular option. he started about a national dialogue that would promote an environment in which everyone could experience a death that
was consistent with the life they live, with the values and belief of a lifetime. that means on a whole range of end of life choices. there's not really one answer. i think her promise, her interest in studying it, took elevating the dialogue to a federal level, is very, very important. people think about this as a state's issue. medical practices regulate it at the state level. but there's a lot the federal government can do, particularly the centers for medicare and medicaid, do to reverse the incentives in place now to overtreat, deliver tests, treatments, that are -- that just do not comport and that are unwanted by people who want to have a very peaceful end of life experience. >> i know you know this but not everyone agrees with you. you have opponents to these types laws who worry there could
be some type of gray area, that people are pressured to end their lives unnecessarily because of maybe lack of resources. what do you say to those folks? >> i think that's why we have to have an open conversation. because so long as these conversations are clandestine and covert, sur tip chus, there is a high risk of abuse. by raising these conversations, exposing them to the sunshine, having second opinions, having family and clergy, hospice personnel, everyone in the room together talking openly about what a patience's values and beliefs are and what their requests are and how they can be best met, that's the way to protect people. we can protect people with that kind of an open authorized environment. for everyone's choices.
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a lot of times senator bernie sanders talking about his tenure as a veterans committee chairman. with that, comes a little bit of baggage including the scandal at the department of veterans affairs. when anderson asked about the problems there at the cnn town hall last night, sanders had to explain whether short comings were not addressed on his watch. >> you were on the veterans affairs committee for eight years. you headed it for two years. there were 18 inspector general reports talking about problems plaguing the va. why did it take so long. and it took you too long to act? >> fair question. i think, you know, the answer is that we have worked on many, many issues. anderson. and your point is fair that we should have acted sooner. we should have known what was going on in phoenix.
those long waiting lines and the lies some administrators were telling us. >> let me bring in our senior investigative correspondent drew griffin. drew, i mean, you and your crew reported extensively on this, shedding lights on veterans deaths, delay, across the country. is his own admission that he missed efficiencefficiencies, w be a problem for him down the campaign road? >> down the road, yes. it's doubtful he'll hear much about it from clinton. about the lack of leadership in the white house who is also accused of sleeping on the job when it comes to this whole va debacle. should senator sanders become the actual democratic nominee, you bet his record in the senate and on that va committee will be fair game. >> bernie sanders was chairman of the u.s. senate committee on veterans affairs during the height of the va wait list
scandal but critics like the founder of iraq and afghanistan veterans association says you'd never know it. >> he was apologizing. he was refusing to acknowledge the severity. he was positioning it as a smaller issue than it was while veterans were dying waiting for care. >> paul rieckhoff says sanders had to be ignoring what was happening just across the capital in the house where they were digging up records, square swearing in whistleblowers and exposing the scandal. >> sanders was at the helm during the biggest scandal in va history. the question for sand sers where were you. why didn't you conduct more oversight, why didn't you get to the bottom of this, why didn't you listen to the veterans groups who came forward and said this was a problem. >> senators were so troubled by the lack of oversight they sent this letters to sanders complaining our nation's veteran do not deserve to wait to
receive their benefits or health care services. adding this committee must conduct aggressive oversight to ensure they receive the care they need when they need it. sanders did finally hold a hearing in may of 2014 at the height of the scandal and after cnn reported about secret weight lists in phoenix. he acknowledged there were problems. supported an independent investigation. but also praised the va's handling the 200,000 appointments a day and for delivering quality health care to our vets. >> one of the concerns that i have, to be very honest, is there has been a little bit of a rush to judgment. what happened in phoenix. well, the truth is, we don't know, but we are going to find out. >> he later appeared on cnn that same morning again cautioning against a rush to judgment. >> did the delay in care of this people on the secret waiting list actually cause these deaths? we don't know. >> two weeks after bernie sanders raised that question, the scandal reached its climax
and va secretary eric shinseki resigned. secretary shinseki apologized for the scandal, acknowledging exactly what the house veterans affairs committee and cnn had been reporting for nearly two years, that in the va system, some managers were hiding months long waiting lists of veterans seeking medical care. >> brooke, senator sandersbrook come around, get on the bandwagon and help pass a va reform bill but critics say too little too late. she should have been on this from the start of his chairmanship in the senate. >> perhaps he'll get some credit for that, perhaps not. drew griffin, thanks so much. coming up next, we have chilling new details about the tragic murder of a 13-year-old girl, and these two college students accused of planning it out. what we learned when one of them appeared in court today.
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one of the virginia tech students charged in the murder of a seventh grade girl will remain in jail. a judge denied bail for natalie keepers. she's accused of helping plan the murder of 13-year-old nicole lovell and also accused of helping dispose of the girles body. prosecutors say lovell disappeared from her home after meeting up with david eisenhauer. eisenhauer is the one charged with her murder. lovell's mother broke down when talking about her little girl. >> coley the a passion of music, dancing, dreamed of being on "american idol" some day. her favorite color was blue. nicole was very loveable person. nicole touched many people
throughout her short life. i can't do that part. >> oh, that mother, that mother. martin savidge is following this one for us today. with regard to what happened in court, what happened? >> natalie keepers had a bond hearing today. you pointed out it was denied. her parents were there and actually testified in her behalf and natalie keepers also testified as well. the parents seemed absolutely shell shocked and why wouldn't they be. here they felt they had a star engineering student daughter who now is charged with murder. the state attorney outlined sort of what keepers' involvement was here. initially people were thinking maybe somehow this student got pulled into this. no. the prosecution says natalie keepers is in this murder up to her neck in the death of this 13-year-old little girl. so much so that she
co-conspired, planned, even talked about the murder weapon that was going to be used, talked about how they would slit the girl's throat, chose the site where the murder was going to take place and after the murder took place, actually helped to lift this child's body into a car and then drive around in that same car with the girl's body in the back as they go to walmart to buy cleaning supplies to clean up after the murder is done. again, all of this is just coming very one-sided of course from the prosecution. but when you listen to it, it is beyond despicable. it is astonishingly awful. >> is that the reason why then when she was initially arrested and prosecutors piled on these additional charges based upon what you just outlined? >> apparently once authorities came to her, and they did, they came to her literally in the middle of the night and pretty much said we're on to you here. she began spewing everything. again, according to the prosecution. she began revealing all the information about the planning.
the other interesting thing here is that she never met the victim. she was apparently instrumental in this victim's death and also the handling of the disposal of the body, but she never actually met her, which in kind of a sick way is really bizarre. and then on top of that, she herself was bullied, she testified, at least at the hearing today, which is a stunning admission since the girl who was the victim here we know was bullied herself in school. how does this happen? how does promising young virginia tech students come together in a murder as they have been accused. >> no words. martin savidge, thank you. now to this. >> you've been viewed as a so-called bad boy of pharma. >> nicknames for martin shkreli, the chief executive here he was
on capitol hill this morning, smiling, smirking his way as he got grilled on the price gouging of prescription drugs. the 32-year-old was called to testify after his former company hiked the price of a drug boosting it from $13 a pill to $750 a pill overnight. he was arrested in december for unrelated fraud charges, but on the hill this morning, he had very little to say. >> on the advice of counsel, i will not be giving an opening statement. >> do you think you've done anything wrong? >> on the advice of counsel, i invoke my fifth amendment privilege against sel self-incrimination. >> his attorney did speak on his behalf at a news conference after that hearing. >> mr. shkreli is not a villain, he's not the bad boy. i think at the end of this story he is a hero. >> the only real response from shkreli himself was found on twitter after the hearing. this is what he tweeted. hard to accept that these
imbeciles represent the people in our government, end quote. with that, i'm brooke baldwin here in new york. thank you so much for being with me. we're going to take you to washington now. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. >> thanks, brooke. he's looking more like a politician today and less like -- well, less like donald trump. "the lead" starts right now. recalculating. republican front-runner donald trump making some tweets after his second place finish in iowa. he's pounding the pavement instead of his opponents in new hampshire today. hillary clinton and bernie sanders both of them circling left like they're on a nascar track as they battle over who's the real progressive. but did clinton stumble on the $675,000 question last night? plus, an nfl star's death that may help save the lives of future players. our dr. sanjay gupta gives us a look at your