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the people want real change. >> who would have thought six months ago donald trump and senator sanders both winning the new hampshire primary. >> we learned a lot about ground games in one week, i have to tell you that. >> your victory tonight has left the washington car tell utterly terrified. >> what an unpredictable night in an already exciting political career. >> you are the reason we are here and you are the reason we are going to win the nomination and then win this election together. thank you all.
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the outsiders they've scored stunning runaway victories in the new hampshire primary. donald trump and bernie sanders staking up the parties. sanders trounsing hillary clinton by more than 20 points, both democrats say their fight will go national rightnow. just a few months ago trump captaured the gop after fatalering in iowa. just barely, ohio governor john kasich came in second place separating himself from the pack of republicans desperate for tickets, but can he go the distance. jeb bush, ted cruz, marco rubio
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still in a battle for third place and sixth place governor chris christie says he's headeding back to new jersey to take a deep breath, meantime the rest of the field will be pounding the trail in south carolina just hours from now. let's go to cnn political. i'm going to mark first. he's joining us from manchester right now. he's getting new information on marco rubio. >> we learned in the last 30 minutes he has sent out a fundraising e-mail that he's acknowledging that he dropped the ball during that debate on saturday night, that devastating debate where chris christie took him to the mat. now marco rubio trying to raise money, but telling his supporters that he will never let that happen again. marco rubio in the past has made some pretty big mistakes. the whole water incident had
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reached over and grabbed a water during the republican response to the state of the ununion, he says he's going on to south carolina. marco rubio not giving up even though he is has had a disappointing sixth place finish. >> he did blunder in that debate last saturday night. you're getting more information too on these republican candidates and how it unfolded tonight. >> that's right. what mark said is so true about rubio continuing on to south carolina. i think what you're seeing in that very muddled middle there of bush and kasich and cruz and rubio out of new hampshire what you're seeing is a contest that's going to go on for a while. if you look at the vote totals tonight, i find this fascinating. add trump and cruz's number together you get to 47%. add kasich, bush and rubio and christie together, you're at
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45%. there's a tie going on within the republican party with no clear directive here. obviously trump comes out of new hampshire with a big victory, but this whole establishment lane is still so crowded and everyone taking a slice of the vote that it seems to me there's no clarity here. this is going to continue for quite some time. >> mark preson i want to go back to you. everybody is dpegt ready for south carolina and nevada and some of the candidates are looking beyond to super tuesday and all those other contests. this is going to go on for quite a while. >> it is. south carolina a a very interesting state. it's going to be like a replay of iowa. ted cruz's folks are saying he's going to play it hard to the evangelical vote. that tends to be in the upstate. he's going to talk about his second amendment support for gun rights how he's going to talk about gay marriage and family values.
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at the same time as david said you're going to see jeb bush and john kasich battling it out in some ways with marco rubio for that more republican type that we see in south carolina. of course, the big question is donald trump who has come out of here with an unbelievable victory here in new hampshire. he's won by so much, but is that enthusiasm here in new hampshire going to carry over into south carolina and right now we don't know the answer to that. >> it's interesting as we're watching all of this for so many of the republicans the night seems to have breathed some new life into their campaigns. >> we are going to make america great again. >> hillary you just needed this much and head to south carolina because it ain't working here. >> the real winner is the conservative grass roots. >> i did not do well on saturday night so listen to that, that will never happen again. >> there's so much going to happen if you don't have a seat
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belt, go get one. >> i love you all. thank you new hampshire, thank you. thank you new mpshire. thank you. we are going now to south carolina. we're going to win in south carolina. i love you all. thank you very much. >> here's the question though, he comes in second, the ohio governor john kasich impressive second place but does he have the ability now the resources, the money the staff, the opportunity to do better in south carolina and nevada, some of those upcoming states not necessarily all that conducive to him. >> i think i've seen three fundraising appeals from the kasich campaign in the last couple of hours hit my inbox. obviously he's going to get a positive new cycle here and get coverage for his big second place showing. john kasich has already announced that he's going to spend two days next week, the week of the south carolina republican primary in michigan. michigan votes match 8th.
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kasijohn kasich is looking ahead thinking he's going to plant a flag in places like michigan, iowa, illinois. the problem is there's a lot of time between now and march 8th. if he's able to raise the money tonight if he's able to show that he still has life in south carolina perhaps he can build something, but to go from here and think you're going to automatically be in a position to post good showings in march 8th and 15th states you have to be able to keep some life in you. >> there's no doubt he's going to get some big money as a result of a second place finish in new hampshire. a lot of those establishment republicans they've always liked john kasich. no republican has ever been elected president of the united states without carrying ohio. >> certainly and we'll see how much money couples out of ohio. in many ways a wealthy state. john kasich has ties to wall street so it will be interesting if he'll start to see that
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business money come his way. now john kasich up here really put in hard work to win new hampshire. the question is does he have that same type of infrastructure built down in south carolina and onward. john kasich his type of politics played well up here in new hampshire. last night i was talking to one of the first voters in the nation who said that he had met john kasich about eight months ago and his advice to john kasich was go directly at hillary, you need to go negative and kasich said that's not my type of politics. about seven months he saw kasich again. kasich went up to this part of new hampshire, held a town meeting with 60 people. they came together and he talk to him again and he said you were right, you were right to do this and he ended up voting for him. i think that's what you saw across the state here in new hampshire. is that going to reflect in south carolina? we don't know but i think all this talk over the past week
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from all of us that this would turn into a three person race has turned into a five person race. >> there's a presidential debate coming up saturday night as well. anderson lots to assess right now. >> i want to talk to our panel of analysts. we keep talking about who is in the establishment lane. do lanes exist? >> i think the lanes will have to start to meld at a certain point and if you look at the numbers david was talking about at a certain point the establishment is going to figure out what it wants to do and it may have to adopt donald trump because he's got 35% of the vote here. he looks like a winner in many places in the south. and if you can't beat him, you're going do have to adopt him. >> there's a lot of establishment republicans who don't believe donald trump is enough of a republican. >> right, but they believe he's more malleable than ted cruz. >> they can't stand ted cruz.
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the fact is that they may have to make a choice. >> none of the other so called establishment candidates are willing to drop out. >> i think donald trump had a good night and we ought to give it to him, but he got a third of the republican vote tonight. he's polling about a third of the vote everywhere. it's not clear to me where his ceiling is and he may hit a ceiling at some point and as the field narrows that could be problematic. the question is whether it's ted cruz who takes advantage of that or someone else. >> they could limp along like this. >> one final point i want to make, this discussion about john kasich. he just spent eight months working new hampshire. now these things come in rapid fire succession. they're basically major media events and so he can't do what he did in new hampshire and i think that's going to be a big problem for him. >> just in terms it's a lot different. >> yes, i think it becomes very expensive as kevin mentioned
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earlier, but you don't have time to touch people like you did in new hampshire. that kind of campaigning works in iowa, works in new hampshire, doesn't work going forward. >> one of this term establishment lanes misses is there's a divide between kasich and rubio. they have responded differently to donald trump. rubio essentially has mimicked donald trump. he talks about barack obama wants to destroy america. it's interesting in the exit polling is that kasich ends up winning people who support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants or tying with trump. he wins people who oppose the ban on muslims coming to the united states. kasich was able to create his own lane, not just an establishment lane, but a good moderate lane. he may not win in a primary because new hampshire is unusual. he has to rely on states like massachusetts which will be voting on march 1th, but there's
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an important where he has gone and where rubio has gone. >> trump and rubio are both running ads already in south carolina. i want to show both of those ads. let's take a look and talk about it. >> i'm donald trump and i approve this message. what kind of man talks from both sides of his mouth on amnesty for illegals on national television and still denies. he took more than a million dollars in sweetheart loans from wall street banks and failed to disclose them. who runs a campaign of dirty tricks trying to sabotage ben carson. ted cruz the worst kind of washington insider who just can't be trusted. >> there's the ad that cruz is running against donald trump which is deploying more of a sense of humor. >> look i got the trump action figure. >> no way. >> what does he do?
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>> he pretends to be a republican. >> and has bail out for the banks. >> too big to fail. i give money to hey harry i'll give you money to be my friend, check out my house mr. trump. that's a lousy house i'm going to take your houses eminent domain and park my limos there. imminent domain. we wouldn't tolerate these values in our children. why would we want them in a president. >> it's interesting because tonight trump was saying to jake he wasn't willing to name whether it was cruz as his main opponent or not, but clearly he's running ads against cruz. >> cruz is clearly his main competition down there right now and particularly on the question of resources, cruz is the one candidate that's probably in the best position to take donald
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trump on with an air war versus just having the media fight that you've seen. that's one of the things that's happened in new hampshire was that not many -- all these other campaigns, whether it was jeb bush or marco rubio or whoever he they didn't take on donald trump in a very broad and sustained way. someone is going to have to do that now. the person best do that is ted cruz. >> when they did take on it was normally not in a position of strength. >> it was a reflectionive tactive on their part. >> there has to be -- i think cruz is trying do this with this ad to define donald trump for who he is. other people have tried to take him on by using the same tactics bush was calling him a looser and whiner. that's not going to work you have to put donald trump in a box that he can't get out of.
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>> here is the advantage that donald trump has. he is much more fully defined in the eyes of many voters and the risk for ted cruz is because he's not as defined new information like that about immigration or the directy tricks against ben carson that puts him in a vulnerable position with voters. >> do you think that ted cruz will be willing to take donald trump on in a debate because he had a chance in the last debate to go at him, he was invited to do it and he pulled up short. >> the timing has to be right. sometimes you don't take the pitch. you have to wait for the timing to be right. you have to wait for that moment. you have to lay the ground work on things like amnesty so the voters are primed for that attack. >> the question was you said that donald trump doesn't have the temperament to have his finger on the button. he said it and then he was asked would you say that to him now and he didn't.
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>> here's where the timing's right -- that's where. >> you think south carolina is going to happen. >> that's where the timing is right. if you don't take donald trump on now with the head of steam he has coming out of new hampshire if he wins south carolina and goes into the march 1 states -- >> i want to say on the two ads, but if you're going it be dity and negative you have to be in thag face. jeb bush had to keep himself alive tonight. he work hard and he managed to do it. he may end up being third and he still has the money and he's going to have his brother in south carolina so i'm just saying he could end up being the alternative to donald trump and cruz. >> how interesting to have his brother now out on the campaign trail when early on in the campaign he sort of didn't know what to say about his brother.
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>> jeb bush is still alive. >> he had his mother. jeb bush spent $36 million to come in third place, fourth place and i'm sure he's spending a substantial amount to win in south carolina. i think all of the candidates that i've watched on the republican side jeb bush seemed to be the only one willing to take donald trump on. but here is my pro-donald trump moment, you can't take him on. his voters like him. i don't think -- you go the to let him fail at it. >> hope is not a strategy and one of the ways in that lane to consolidate the voters who believe that donald trump is not only a threat to the party but the country is to confront and him win. you can't run from donald trump. >> the voters are with him. >> it's what ted cruz did in iowa. ted cruz was able in iowa to sew a lot of concern about evangelical voters about the fact that donald trump really isn't one of them. >> we got to take another break.
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i want to congratulate donald trump on an impressive win tonight. and john kasich had a good night tonight. but the real winner, the real winner is the conservative grass roots. who propelled us toen a outright victory in iowa and to a far stronger result and outcome in new hampshire than anyone had predicted. >> all eyes now on south carolina the next battle ground for the republican presidential candidates. they're fanning out across the state just a few hours from now and in a couple of days that happens a week from saturday. marco rubio and ted cruz and jeb bush they're still fighting for
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third place in new hampshire. rubio will campaign part of the day in south carolina, but both he and cruz will also be in washington for a vote on new sanctions against north korea. rubio in particular has been slammed by his rivals for missing senate votes while campaigning for president of the united states. let's go to cnn analyst. she's in new hampshire with more on the cruz reaction. >> reporter: ted cruz tonight trying to raise the stakes in south carolina. in fundraising e-mails ted cruz saying south carolina will be the tipping point going forward manage this race. clear the cruz campaign wants to make south carolina the break out moment in this race. they feel well positioned in that allstate. they haven invested a lot of time and money and ground work. and they also of course feel that south carolina is a state that favors ted cruz, a large
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evangelical population, a very good -- a very -- a big amount of conservative republicans in that state, it's all things that favors ted cruz. now in tonight in that concession speech of ted cruz which actually sounded more like a victory speech he gave a nod to the point that washington liberals may find south carolina far less hospitable and he really tell dprafd the argument that he's going to bring on the south carolina ground against marco rubio and donald trump really trying to tie both of them to hillary clinton, very clear that the message he will bring is that these other candidates are campaign conservatives. that's what he called them tonight and he will argue he is the consistent conservative, the one that has walked the walk. ted cruz is in route to south carolina right now. he will hold a rally and then return back to washington, d.c.
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to cast some votes tomorrow. >> he lost to donald trump by more than 60,000 votes. donald trump had more than 60,000 votes ahead of ted cruz. clearly a very significant number. i want to go over to john king right now. the evangelical vote very important in south carolina as it was in iowa, not so much in new hampshire. >> no, not so much in new hampshire, but ted cruz stuck waiting fo are a number of mall towns to report, but it looks like ted cruz is at the moment is holding on to third place. some small places in there could change the math, but if he comes out third, what does he do, he has a win in iowa and a show in new hampshire. they go on to south carolina and why is this a big state, often decisive, but not this year, but ted cruz in iowa with the evangelicals. let's look at the population here.
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the deeper the color the more evangelicals you find. let me shrink this down. the big ad war is here. this is critical to a christian conservative. this part of the state is critical. ted cruz needs it. donald trump is going at ted cruz right there and ted cruz fighting back. let's pull this out. come back out to the map. why is this so important because if you take a look at this round one in iowa it went to ted cruz. a healthy evangelical population, especially in the caucus environment. south carolina is next. you can tell obviously it's a huge evangelical community, but most of march is down here. the color speaks for itself. this is evangelical bible belt for ted cruz who unlike huckabee and santorum who won iowa he has an organization, he has money. so now you have a essentially he goes at it with trump in south
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carolina. the question is kasich will come in with a little momentum. can he play here. the bush family now. this was critical to george bush after john mccain beat him. it will be interesting to see jeb bush on the road with his brother, but jeb bush can't afford to come in third or fourth again. he needs a break through moment. so the evangelicals are critical for ted cruz and a slice is important to marco rubio. >> remind our viewers what happened in south carolina four years ago on the republican side. >> four years ago on the republican side, newt gingrich beat mitt romney here. mitt romney along the coast here, and newt gingrich won everywhere else because santorum didn't have the resources to compete. if you go back in time to 2008 a much more classic evangelical
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christian conservative vote versus john mccain's vote. i would look more to 2008 as we watch what is going to happen between trump and cruz and the question is who is the force in south carolina because this was an important number back in the 2008 race. a lot of people made the case that thompson drew votes away and helped john mccain. that will be interesting to watch. >> south carolina, the democratic side is very different than either new hampshire or iowa for that matter. much more diverse democratic populati population. >> right for the same reason you're talking about the demographics of the state is different. a big victory for barack obama. obama wins iowa, clinton narrowly wins new hampshire and a huge win for obama here. what made the difference here, 43% of the vote was white in south carolina, obama was third.
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24% behind edwards and clinton wrks have, but a majority of the vote is african-american, president obama got nearly eight of 10 of those votes. bernie sanders, he comes from vermont he does not have a history of competing for the african-american vote, but he has a big win tonight and that will get him some eyes open, but the question is in a couple of weeks can he make inroads there hillary clinton thinks this is the southern firewall. >> we're about to find out. south carolina, nevada, also south carolina voters have been watching tonight's results very closely. who do they want, who do they like? we're going to talk to some of them. >> boy, do we have a ground game. where is corey, corey lewandowski. you know we learned a lot about ground games in one week, i have to tell you that.
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out is low. >> and here's what we're going to do. now we take this campaign to the entire country. we are going to fight for every vote in every state. >> and we won because of your energy. thank you all so much. >> my goodness, i don't know what we would have done tonight if we had actually won. >> the right wing republicans we oppose must not be allowed to gain the presidency. >> i still love new hampshire and i always will. >> thank you new hampshire. and now it's on to nevada, south carolina and beyond. >> the votes still being counted in new hampshire tonight donald trump and bernie sanders are the clear winners on the republican side the drama still unfolding,
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the ohio governor surging to second place and rubio acknowledging that he dropped the ball in the last republican presidential debate, but he and most of his rivals are now moving on to the next contest. south carolina they'll be on the ground there within hours. here are the numbers as of right now in new hampshire on the republican side as you can see 92% of the vote is in. donald trump a decisive impressive win, 35% over john kasich who comes in second with 16%. 50,000 votes more for donald trump over john kasich. the battle for third place continuing right now. ted cruz at 12%, jeb bush at 11%, marco rubio at 11% but just below jeb bush. ot democratic side also 50,000 vote advantage, bernie sanders in new hampshire got 60% of the vote to hillary clinton a very
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disappointing only 38% of the vote. a major setback for hillary clinton in new hampshire, but now it's on to south carolina. >> i want to go to south carolina with a focus group. >> hi there. we watched the results coming out of new hampshire with a group of about 65 undecided voters here, both democratic voters and republican voters and they all had in their hands this dial. right now it's on neutral and when they liked something they turned the dial up and when they didn't like something they turned the dial all the way down. so this was real time sentiment per second every second that they reacted we caught it and we saw what you might call an ekg line on the screen. when hillary clinton was speaking here on the democratic side, they really liked a few moments when she was talking about playing tough on wall street, they liked her talking
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about equal pay for women, but it was this comment where she was sending the message that i will work for you, this group's dials wept way up. >> it isn't right that the kids i met in flint on sunday were poisoned because their governor wanted to save money. it isn't right for a grandmother here in new hampshire or anywhere else to have to choose between paying rent and buying medicine because a prescription drug company increased the price 4,000% overnight. >> so let's get some reaction to hillary clinton there. what did you think of hillary clinton? you're an undecided voter. how do you feel now. >> i think hillary got it. i think she realized she better get moving and start talking about issues and things people want to hear about and that's what she did tonight in her concession speech. that's where i was undecided and she actually turned me around.
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>> really because we spoke and you weren't feeling the love for hillary clinton. >> i was not. >> now you are. >> now i'm getting there. >> you're closer. all right. let's ask kathy because you were leaning toward hillary clinton, right, when you arrived? >> correct. >> where do you stand now. >> i have grave concerns about her ability to draw in the individual voter and tonight reinforced my worry about that. >> you're still undecided. >> i am. >> let's check over here on the republican side, but we watched as they were listening to john kasich who came in second and really this group tended to stay pretty neutral they didn't have a lot of reaction to kasich until he started talking about hillary clinton. >> hillary you just needed this much and head to south carolina because it's not working here, okay. >> so john kasich as i said not getting a lot of reaction. barbara you came in undecided.
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you normally vote democratic. have you decided now. >> i'm still undecided. i know that am not supporting the republican candidates and i'm not supporting the two top who were the two top democrats and -- >> how will you decide? >> i don't know. i need to hear someone who is a little more moderate where some of my conservative views which the republicans have are there and some of my more liberal social views that the democrats have are there. i consider myself a moderate and i fit in either party, but this year i'm voting in a primary for the republicans as i c do in south carolina. >> all right. let me ask this group, the republicans as a whole here, the republican voters, did anybody -- was anybody won over
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by donald trump? yes. how about john kasich, anyone? like him as a vp. what about after watching the debate, the last republican debate, did anybody decide against marco rubio raise your hands. wow, very large group. let's see what's going on here before we go at the democratic side. did bernie sanders win anybody over here. raise your hands. four, five, six, serven, eight, nine. so of your group i'm told that 23 have finally decided on a candidate right here tonight. back to you. >> very interesting. thanks very much. coming up, the candidates moving ahead to the next contest. you will see us again because we're coming back in november to win the general
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we have some real talent in the republican party. >> maybe we are tax retuurning e on the dark pot of american politics. >> tonight is a victory for the people. >> less take a look at the numbers right now. they're still counting votes in new hampshire on the republican side, 92% of the votes have been counted, donald trump the winner with the 35%, john kasich, ohio governor coming in second place, he's 50,000 votes behind donald trump with 16%, ted cruz, jeb
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bush, marco rubio they're fighting for third place although ted cruz seems to have a slight advantage right now. chris christie a disappointing night. bernie sanders getting 50,000 more votes, 50,000 more votes than hillary clinton in new hampshire with as we can see right now. tonight wasn't necessarily the result that republican establishment figures in washington or new york or elsewhere were hoping for or even expecting. i want to go to mark preson. he's in manchester right now. what are you hearing about the reaction from the establishment? donald trump is not necessarily the favorite of the republican establishment. >> no, in fact they were hoping this would be a process where they could shrink this field for the candidates that were able to
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continue on. i was here three weeks ago talking to the operatives for the campaigns and they were telling me what they thought was going to happen wednesday morning, so tomorrow, that the phone calls would begin, the phone calls would begin to these governors to say it is time to get out of the race, it is time to consolidate behind one candidate, bus the establishment is concerned about donald trump and ted cruz even though he is a u.s. senator so the process here in new hampshire hasn't worked very well except in one case we will very likely see one person drop out, but chris christie who was supposed to go to south carolina is now heading back home to new jersey. he's taking time to consider what he's going to do. >> let's listen to what chris christie said. >> i have both won elections that i was supposed to lose and i i've lost elections i was
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supposed to win and what that means is you never know and it's both the magic and the mystery of politics that you never quite know when which is going to happen even when you think you do. and so we leave new hampshire tonight without an ounce of regret. >> very disappointing night for governor christie. >> no doubt about that heading as mark was saying back to new jersey to consider his options. i'm sure we'll hear from him tomorrow. he put everything into new hampshire and that sounded like somebody who realized it did not work out for him. when mark was talking about the hand wringing on the republican establishment side, we have to back up and look at what has happened here. ted cruz won iowa, donald trump won new hampshire, right now the front-runners for the republican
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nomination are donald trump and ted cruz so that may cause some concern inside the establishment, but it's not close in terms of the strength of the candidacies right now. donald trump and cruz are so much stronger with the republican base right now and where the electorate is than the other lane of candidates that i'm not sure hand wringing is the solution here. clearly they need to consolidate behind one, but i'm not sure that the energy is so clearly with the donald trump and cruz camps that i think this is going to be a very tough battle for the establishment to win in the long run. >> speaking of the establishment, jeb bush, he's still in this contest. he's moving from new hampshire down to south carolina. he's got money, he's got staff. how is he doing? >> interesting about jeb bush is that i think david's point is he's hoping that ted cruz and donald trump try to destroy one another. the goal for the establishment is for that to happen.
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jeb bush was clear who he was going to go after and he's trying to make it clear to voters do they want a president like donald trump? and try to make this compare and contrasting between him and between donald trump. now, a lot of people have counted jeb bush out. but jeb bush still has a lot of money. jeb bush is still going to south carolina where the bush family does have a foothold in. and jeb bush, unlike some of the other candidates, he's showing a little fire in his belly and starting to come up. is it a steep climb? i believe so, but i don't think we can count jeb bush out as we head down into south carolina, wolf. >> you've got to give donald trump a lot of credit for a huge, very impressive win in new hampshire tonight. now the contest moves on the south carolina and nevada and beyond. still ahead, we'll have final numbers coming in right now. hillary clinton is way behind bernie sanders. he's the decisive winner by some 50,000 votes in new hampshire
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over her. what a disappointing night for hillary clinton. will we see any major change in her strategy as she now moves forward? i think it landed last tuesday. one second it's there. then, woosh, it's gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. [dog bark] trust me, we're dealing with a higher intelligence here. ♪
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bernie! bernie! bernie! >> what the people here have said is that given the enormous
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crises facing our country, it is just too late for the same old, same old establishment politics and establishment economics. the people want real change! [ applause ] >> it seems like based on the results tonight, let's talk about with our panel, with both panels what happens on the democratic side. >> i think what you're going to see in south carolina is hillary clinton embracing president obama even more than she's already done. >> we should point out nevada is first. >> nevada is first, and as david was pointing out, caucuses can play to bernie sanders' strength with his passionate supporters. >> but in the nevada caucus, independents do not get to vote in the democrat -- >> no, it's democrats. but there was a memo publicly distributed by the clinton campaign that they made the point that sanders will face
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increased pressure to explain his record, especially where he deviates from president obama. >> it's a problem, bill, because most democrats honestly don't feel that way, and that's where she's going to -- particularly going into south carolina. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i just want to remind you that as david pointed out in the exit polls earlier, people were asked, do you want to continue the policies of barack obama? 41%. would you like them to be more liberal? 40%. so i don't think it's true that we just have -- >> the difference between new hampshire and some of these other states is pretty profound. had bernie sanders expanded his
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base beyond the white liberals he's attracted, that's going to be the challenge. >> he has to figure that out. african-americans don't really know him yet. i understand tomorrow morning or today he's going to meet with al sharpton in new york. he's got ben jealous on his side. that black woman voter that randi kaye talked to about hillary clinton, that's the voter he needs to reach in a state like south carolina. older, african-american women. it could be that he was the one that should have gone to flint, michigan. he was so ahead in new hampshire, he probably should have gone to flint rather than hillary clinton. >> there is an interesting opportunity. it's important to remember that the sanders coalition is not the same as the obama coalition. he does better than obama did with white working class voters. so the challenge is can he put together a coalition of young, idealistic liberals and working class voters who he can win over
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on issues of trade? can he hit hillary clinton on issues of trade and globalization? >> he did well with working class voters tonight and in iowa, swell. >> right. >> but her challenge going forward is less to defeat bernie sanders, but is to motivate and inspire people to come to her. she needs to be visionary, forward thinking. when you lose young people by 70 percentile, that says something. >> plus or minus 4%. >> i think the reason bernie and trump did so well is they both tapped into a discontent, if not an anger and frustration with the establishment and with politics as usual. no matter how hard -- she's a great candidate, but no matter how hard she tries, she's politics as usual. she has not changed. >> how many times has that
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discussion been had about retooling the campaign, changing what her message is? >> we don't have another hour. but i would love to have a debate with you about -- >> do you want to after the break? >> no. it's already lent. i can't drink. anderson wore me out tonight. but we have to have a conversation about what constitutes the establishment. i understand where bernie is coming from, but i also believe going forward that several people have fought to get to the table and putting a woman or minorities at the table and saying we're the establishment, that's not going to fly. >> a former first lady, secretary of state, senator is the establishment. >> he's been a mayor and member of the senate -- >> i hate to do this. i know it's only been nine hours and you're all raring to go, but i've got to toss it to another broadcast.
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it only feels like eight hours to me. our coverage continues now with john berman and poppy harlow. ♪ >> good morning, everyone. welcome to a special post primary edition of "early start." it is 2:00 a.m. in the east. i'm john berman. >> i'm poppy harlow. so glad you're with us. >> big, big wins for bernie sanders in the new hampshire primary. bernie sanders riding a wave of younger supporters. he pulled in 60% of the vote to 38% for hillary clinton. >> what began last week in iowa, what voters here in new hampshire confirmed tonight is nothing short of theeg

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