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or their concerns. young people for whom getting involved in politics is as -- it's like going to the moon, it ain't going to happen. low-income people who are not involved in the political process. what this campaign is not only about electing someone who has the most progressive agenda, it is about bringing tens of millions of people together to demand that we have a government that represents all of us and not just the 1% who today have so much economic and political power. thank you all very much. [ cheers and applause ] >> secretary clinton. >> we agree we've got to get unaccountable money out of politics. we agree that wall street should never be allowed to wreck main street again. but here's the point i want to
make tonight. i am not a single-issue candidate and i do not believe we live in a single-issue country. i think that a lot of what we have to overcome to break down the barriers that are holding people back, whether it's poison in the water of the children of flint or whether it's the poor miners who are being left out and left behind in coal country, or whether it is any other american today who feels somehow put down and depressed by racism, by sexism, by discrimination against the lgbt community against the kind of efforts that need to be made to root out all of these barriers, that's what i want to take on. and here in wisconsin, i want to reiterate, we've got to stand up for unions and working people, the america's middle class who
are being attacked by ideologues, by demagogues. yes, does wall street and big financial interests along with drug companies, insurance companies, big oil, all of it have too much influence, you're right. but if we were to stop that tomorrow, we would still have the indifference, the negligence that we saw in flint. we would still have racism holding people back. we would still have sexism preventing women from getting equal pay beep would have lgbt people who get married on saturday and get married on mind we'd have people like scott walker and others trying to rip out the heart of the middle class by making it impossible to organize and stand up for better wages and conditions. i'm going to keep talking about tearing down all the pairiebarr that stabbed in the way of americans living up to its
potential. i don't think our country can live up to its potential unless we give americans the ability to live up to theirs. >> thank you. we want to thank our audience, our quiet audience here and all of you watching at home. thank you all. stay tuned for analysis of the debate and the overall race to the democratic nomination. that's coming up next here on pbs stations and online at pbs.opbs pbs.o pbs.org/newshour. >> that's it for all of us here if milwaukee. we thank you. >> good night. and good evening again. welcome to a late live edition
of "360." the democratic candidates just wrapping up their debate in milwaukee. what a debate it was. in case you missed any of the best moments, we'll have highlights at the beginning of the hour. david geergen, michael smerconish, gora borger, john king, to my left, paul begala -- >> we're not talking about our guy. >> paul advise as pro-clinton super pac. let's get quick reaction from our correspondents and analysts. david gergen, you've seen a lot of these debates. what did you make of this one? >> i can't remember a candidate for the presidency who is more
experienced and competent than hillary clinton was tonight. she was on top of the issues, very factual. i thought she won the arguments. ism thought he did a better job in capturing the anger and frustration in the country. i'm not sure it changed a lot of minds but i did think there was a real difference in debating style. >> michael smerconish? >> i thought he looked shaken after she laid out what she had to say and i thought it was a pitch by secretary clinton to solidify her support in the african-american community by saying this guy has not stood with barack obama. >> gloria? >> i think the person looming over this debate is president obama, completely. and what was interesting to me was the ways in which -- the multiple ways in which hillary clinton repeatedly tied herself to the president on the fact that he had a super pac and
still went after wall street, on immigration, on obama care and on the fact that president obama picked her as secretary of state. and i think on the economic issues, as david was saying, i think bernie sanders really sort of cuts through. but on foreign policy, i think hillary clinton does. so i don't think it changed much. >> someone before the debate, john king, was saying that she was going to wrap herself in president obama. she certainly did that tonight, particularly at the end. >> and he has incredibly high ratings, among democrats across the country, and among african-americans. she played the obama card and she played it hard. he played the kissinger card. we'll see how that plays out. >> that's going to get the millennials. >> all the young voters for bernie sanders googling who is henry kissinger, saying he doesn't take advice from henry kissinger. the conversation among democrats is still making the point she had a very strong case on the
policy issues. some of her friends and advisers who want her to get better as a candidate still think she's focuses too much on experience and past accomplishment and not as much on a narrative to look forward to the future. >> bill, your book, read the blurb that sanders actually gave to the book. >> want me do that right now? >> sure. >> the name of the book is "buyers remorse" -- >> which you can get at amazon for -- >> this is a nonissue but the clinton campaign can't seem to let dp of it. he did not right a foreward to the book. he wrote a blurb. it says what he says every speech -- bill press makes case why long after taking the oath of office the next president of the united states must keep rallying the people who elected him or her on behalf of progressive causes, that's the only way real change will happen. it's not a criticism of barack
obama. my book is. bernie's blurb is not. so take it out on me, i ain't running for president yet. >> what do you think, paul is this. >> bernie is a message machine and he is. i think he run as risk of becoming the marco rubio butt of my party. to paraphrase joe biden, every sentence was a noun, a verb and wall street. hill hi ary clinton knew bernie plan better than he did. but he keeps coming back with that overarching message. >> turns out i think he doesn't like wall street. >> donna? what did you make of it? >> it was a very spirited debate. i liked much of the exchange. you had an opportunity to listen to two candidates who offered a vision for the future on
immigration, health care reform, jobs, criminal justice reform. if you're an undecided voter in nevada, you say i like what hillary clinton said on this but i like the passion that bernie gave on that. i think it was great but i want to tell you, i take issue with bill press' book but i won't do that right now. >> anna novarro? >> there was very little personality, it was very policy oriented, a lot of meat particularly in hillary clinton's answers, very little personal anecdotes, perm stories including about themselves. >> we are just about at the top of the hour. if you are just joining us or you just watched parts of the debate i want to take a moment to welcome any viewers who are just joining us now. you saw a sharp but civil exchange of views between the
two candidates. if you didn't, we're want to show you some. highlights of the debate. take a look. >> in my case, whether it's health care or getting us to debt-free tuition or moving us toward paid family leave, i have been very specific about where i would raise the money, how much it would cost and how i would move this agenda forward. i believe i can get the money that i need by taxing the wealthy, by closing loopholes, the things that we are way overdo for doing. i think once i'm in the white house, we will have another political capital to did that. >> secretary clinton, you are not in the white house yet. let us be clear every pro pos al i have introduced has been paid for. >> when it comes to the issues that are really on the front lines as to whether we're going to have equal pay, paid family leave, some opportunity for, you know, women to go as far as
their hard work and talent take them, i think that we still have some barriers to knock down, which is why that's at the core of my campaign. i would note just for an historic aside, somebody told me earlier told we've had like 200 presidential primary debates, and this is the first time there have been a majority of women on the stage. so, you know, we'll take our progress wherever we can find it. >> senator, do you worry at all that you will be the instrument of thwarting history as senator clinton keeps claiming that she might be the first woman president? >> well, you know, i think from an historical point of view, somebody with my background, somebody with my views, somebody who has spent his entire life taking on the big money interests, i think a sanders victory would be of some historical accomplishment as well. we are looking at an economy in
which the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and sadly in our economy today a whole lot of the poor people are african-american. >> so race o larelations will b better under sanders than they have been? >> absolutely. instead of tax breaks for million narks we're going to create jobs for low-income kids so they're not on street corners, making sure those kids stay in school and are able to get a college education. >> i debated then senator obama numerous times on stages like this. he was the resicipient of the largest number of wall street donations of anybody running on the democratic side ever. now, when it mattered, he stood up and took on wall street. he pushed through and he passed the dodd-frank regulation, the
toughest regular haitiations si 1930s. so let's not in any way imply here that either president obama or myself would in any way not take on any vested interest, whether it's wall street or drug companies or insurance companies or frankly the gun lobby to stand up to do what's best for the american people. [ applause ] >> but let's not insult the intelligence of the american people. people aren't dumb. why in god's name does wall street make huge campaign contributions? ism guess ju-- i guess just for of it. >> american muslims be are on the front like of our defense. they are more likely to know what's happening in their families and communities. they need to feel not just invited but welcomed within the american society.
so when somebody like donald trump and others -- [ applause ] -- stirs up the demagoguery against american muslims, that hurts us at home. it's not only offensive, it's dangerous. and the same goes for overseas where we have to put together a coalition of muslim nations. i know how to did that. i put together the coalition that imposed sanctions on iran that got us to the negotiating team to put a lid on their nuclear weapons program. and you don't go tell muslim nations you want them to be part of a coalition when you have a leading candidate for president of the united states who insults their religion. >> in her book and in their last debate, she talked about getting the approval or support or mentoring of henry kissinger. now, i find it rather amazing because i happen to believe that henry kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of
state in the modern history of this country. i am proud to say that henry kissinger is not my friend. i will not take advice from henry kissinger. >> well, i know journalists have asked who you do listen to on foreign policy and we have yet to know who that is. >> well, it ain't henry kissinger, that's for sure. >> that's fine, that's fine. >> henry kissinger is not in the hall. jeff zeleny is. they laid out details. >> they certainly did. both candidates are on the verge of leaving this stage after shaking hand for quite a long time. senator sanders even jumped into the crowd at one point. anderson, i was struck by near the end of the debate there when secretary clinton really wanted to make clear that she is the protector of the obama legacy. that is for one reason -- south
carolina. she might as well have called out south carolina, are you listening, listen to me right now. that's when that was about. because the south carolina primary in about two weeks time here is going to be key for her, particularly among african-american voters, where some 55% of the democratic electorate in 2008 were african-american voters, that is her key point here. i think it was a civil debate throughout the course of the evening. a little slower in speed and tempo, a little bit more cerebral but contentious throughout the debate. i think if you came into this debate a senator sanders fan, you certainly walked away a senator sanders fan and vice versa on the other side of this. i don't think this moved the ball much at all. i was texting with a few supporters on both sides. i think it did put some clinton supporters and donors at ease here. this is a good moment for her when she's on this debate stage. certainly much better than the last time. we saw her in public view when
she was trying to give a speech after she lost by some 22 points this new hampshire. i do think this resets the race in the short term but it goes on from here to nevada in nine days and then south carolina in the week following after that. i think it's pretty much a jum. ball, anderson. >> jeff, are they heading now to nevada? >> they are going to be campaigning throughout the weekend in nevada. actually, she will be campaigning tomorrow quickly in south carolina and then flying to nevada. so that is the next stop. but this race now goes nationally. there are plenty different places to pick out pockets of support, particularly in those march states. senator sanders has a lot of support in minnesota. he'll be there tomorrow evening, in colorado. this race is going to go across the country in rapid fashion. i'm told senator sanders is going to michigan next week to flint. of course he's following on the heels of her visit there last week. so this campaign is about to
intensify. the clinton campaign hopes this can raise money off of tonight's d debate because they believe she had a good showing. >> senator sanders has raised a lot of money post new hampshire. do you know how hilliary clint n clinton's campaign is doing? >> i don't. >> you don't think money is an issue for either of them moving forward? >> no. >> that's significant to think that bernie sanders has raised so much money, all it have from small grass roots donation, average $27 and where the clinton campaign has complained they feel they may be outspent and outfunded by bernie sanders. who would have thunk that bernie could put together that financial operation. it's very impressive. >> we attacked ted cruz once or
twice, who has stayed out of the primaries and the nurses pac which has endorsed senator sanders. the nurses have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and a karl rove right-wing pack has been attacking hillary clinton, presumably with wall street money. the super pac money that's been spent on the democratic side has helped bernie far more than it's helped hillary. >> bernie -- >> not by his asking. >> my point is just bernie does not have a super pac. every dollar he's raised has been from grass roots donations. end of it. i'm not attacking you or anybody else. i'm just stating a fact. >> he started out as the p.t. boat against an aircraft carrier. this campaign is going to go on for a long time. you can see there's a disbelief and you see it in her face sometimes and up hear it when you talk to clinton people.
there is such a sense of disbelief that this is real, they did not take bernie sanders seriously at the beginning and now they understand they have a race. >> i want to play the sound bite when they were talking about the super pacs. >> i debated then senator obama numerous times on stages like this. and he was the recipient of the largest numbers of wall street donations of anybody running on the democratic side ever. now, when it mattered, he stood up and took on wall street. he pushed through and he passed the dodd-frank regulations, the toughest regulations since the 1930s. so let's not in any way imply here that either president obama or myself would in any way not take on any vested interest, whether it's wall street or drug companies or insurance companies or frankly the gun lobby to
stand up to did what's best for the american people. >> well, let's not -- but let's not -- let's not insult -- let's not insult the intelligence of the american people. people aren't dumb. why in god's name does wall street make huge campaign contributions? i guess just for the fun of it. they want to throw money around. when we talk about wall street, you have wall street and major banks have paid $200 billion in fines since the great crash. no wall street executive has been prosecuted. >> gloria borger, this is one of the areas you mentioned where she switched the super pacs to focus on obama. >> that was so clever and he had a great answer. why do you think they're giving money? because they want something
back. again, she kept finding a way to bring up president obama. and that helps her in south carolina and those are the voters she was talking to tonight. at the end of this debate i think she drew a little blood. >> that was particularly interesting at the end. it was one of those sort of general questions like what world leaders and when leaders in america do you most admire? she named fdr and mandela but quickly pivoted to mentioning president obama and attacking sanders. >> this is where she drew blood. >> let play it. >> today senator sanders said president obama failed the presidential leader shiecship t is not the first time he has criticized president obama. in the past he called him weak, called hmm a disappointment. he wrote a foreword for a book that argued that voters should have buyers remorse when it comes to president obama's leadership and legacy. i just couldn't agree --
disagree more with those kinds of comments. the kind of criticism that we've heard from senator sanders about our president i expect from republicans. i do not expect from someone running for the democratic nomination to succeed president obama. >> that is -- madam secretary, that is a low blow. last i heard, we lived in a democratic society. last i heard a united states senator had the right to disagree with the president, including a president who has done such an extraordinary job. so i have voiced criticism, you're right. maybe you haven't. i have. but i think to suggest that i have voiced criticisms, this blurb that you talk about, the blurb said that the next president of the united states has got to be aggressive in bringing people in to the political process. that's what i said. that is what i believe.
>> calling the president weak, calling him a disappointment, calling several times that he should have a primary opponent when he ran for reelection in 2012, you know, i think that goes further than saying we have our disagreements. as a senator -- yes, i was a senator. i understand we can disagree on the path forward, but those kinds of personal assessments and charges are ones that i find particularly troubling. >> you may respond to that but it time now for closing statements and you can use your time for closing statements o do that. >> well, one of us ran against barack obama. i was not that candidate. >> david gergen. >> one had the sense that she was waiting to use that, to drop that grenade right at the end and it intruded right in a his closing statement. so he couldn't make an eloquent, upbeat, closing statement. >> i thought it strange the
moderators called the time. >> why didn't they give them time to finish that conversation. >> they had an extra five mun minutes -- it was probably the best part of the debate to shut it down. >> it was very interesting to me to see how close closely she tr wed herself to president obama. from his part, from the opening gun if you remember his if heve first response, i think it was about the prison sentences. the point being this was all about cultivating support of people of color from the get-go. >> i think hillary clinton kind of on the obama point again criticized bernie sanders for getting personal about president obama when what he had said in a television interview was that he didn't exhibit the kind of
leadership to connect congress with the american people or whatever it was. but she sort of made the point that he was personal with the president and i think that plays well with a lot of the president's supporters. >> i don't know if she can connect all of the dots. but there is something out there in terms of the president's support he has maintained throughout his presidency with african-american voters. a lot of democratic supporters. i also think the hispanic community and i think african-americans have witnessed over the last seven years the most gratuitous, vile attacks on the president challenging his birth certificate, putting what i call barriers every day before his path, holding up his nominations and not even this week allow him to present his budget. i think black voters look at these candidates and say where are you in terms of president
obama? and tonight hillary clinton made it clear she's going to stand with the president. and i think bernie sanders to his credit, bernie sanders has also pointed out he stood with the president on many issues. >> you also said up thought or you hoped someone would talk about unions. hillary clinton definitely gave a nod to that in wisconsin and it played certainly re well in that room. >> absolutely. thank you, you know i'm going to read your book at some point. union democrats, especially in nevada and other places that is correct is a large chunk of the electorate for democrats and a large chunk of the delegates. i think speaking about what's happening in wisconsin, raising wages, a collective bargaining, she smart to do that and smart to reach out to labor unions. >> she did more than just that. she also went after scott walker, who is one of the most hated men amongst unions, particularly in wisconsin. she was very local.
she mentioned dontrae hamilton, another tragedy that is also in the news and is a wisconsin-based tragedy. i think she was much better than he was in making it local and more poignant. >> let's play where she talks about scott walker just to give your viewers a sense of what anna is talking about. >> i think again both of us share the goal of trying to make college affordable for all young americans. and i've set forth a compact that would do just that for debt-free tuition. we differ, however, on a couple of key points. one of them being that if you don't have some agreement within the system from states and from families and from students, it hard to get to where we need to go. and senator sanders' plan really rests on making sure that governors like scott walker contribute $23 billion on the first dave to make college free. i'm a little skeptical about your governor actually caring
enough about higher education to make any kind of commitment like that. >> it was a clever way to sort of address the criticism that sheech has had of bernie sanders, which is how are you actually going to get these things done? she was using this specific example of scott walker, you're going to need his cooperation. >> it also showed her experience and skill. she's a master debater. she's brilliant on that stage, i believe. overall i love the debate in the sense it was substantive, it was civil, they weren't -- they differed. they didn't call each other names. and i think bernie has really improved as a debater on the stage as we've seen him, much morp command of the issues and his presence there. i love the split screen. she showed with the mention of scott walker, early on when she talked about the labor unions and everything, she knew her audience, she knew where she was, she identified with them. that was one of her real strengths. wherie i thought she failed a
little bit, at the beginning she comes across sometimes as a wet blanket where bernie is saying we can have free community college week can have universal health care and hillary clinton has to come along and say, oh no, we can't. sort of like yes, we can. and she says, no, we can't. i think that's a problem for her. >> she didn't do that much tonight. >> she did at least on health care and on community college. >> she didn't talk as much about, sorry, you can't get that done. she talked about the math, she said the numbers don't add up. but i think her tone was pitch perfect tonight. because, you know, she didn't sort of chide him in any way and say, wait a minute, i'm experienced, i know, you can't do this. she just challenged him on his math and on how you would pay for things, for example. but it was a different tone for her and, by the way, also from bernie sanders. i thought he was kind of subdued. he seemed to be coughing a
little. i wasn't sure if he was feeling great, but both of them seemed to kind of master their tone a little bit better. >> i think bill is absolutely right. i remember after the first debate which, anderson, you moderated in las vegas where we were talking to the bernie sanders folks, he came unprepared, he thought he could do this off the cuff. the bernie sanders tonight came prepared, knew her immigration record, knew central america and the children on the border. this was a much different debater. >> it would be interesting to watch that first debate versus this debate to see how they have evolved. clearly the attacks have gotten much sharper. you don't have jim webb and lincoln chafee, who -- >> and martin o'malley. yes, i did forget him. i remembered lincoln chafee. back with everyone shortly. just ahead, we're going to be
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>> hi there, anderson. i'm here with the chairman of hillary clinton's campaign. give us your assessment. you think your candidate did very well. >> i thought she was terrific tonight. i thought that from beginning to end it was a very powerful opening and a very powerful close. she really talked about the fact that she wanted to break down all the barriers holding americans back, to let them live up to their full potential so america could live up to its potential. ism thought this was a wide ranging debate tonight that covered a lot of topics. i think again she showed that she was the person ready to be commander in chief but on the core issues that about raising wages, making the right investments, having serious plans, making promises that you can keep, i thought she was really, really strong tonight, one of her strongest
performances, maybe the strongest performance. i was a little surprised that, you know, we got -- senator sanders sort of seemed to move in to territory that he hadn't occupied. >> reporter: like what? >> my head snapped when he he said he would absolutely be better at race relations in america than president obama and brnt human rights issues than ted kennedy. maybe the success in new hampshire is getting to him a little bit. >> it did seem that hillary clinton's tack here was to accuse bernie sanders of overpromising and promising things that he can't deliver. is that an approach that you think people will really connect with? >> i think what she was really saying was you've got to level
with people. you've got to show what your plans really are and hold them up to scrutiny. i think when you do that, then things begin to get a little built shaky. they agree on a lot of goals. they agree that we need to get to universal coverage. they agree that college needs to be affordable for everyone. with you when you get a college plan that requires governors like scott walker here in wisconsin to pony up a lot of money in order to produce it, i think that's a promise that, you know, is not going to be fulfilled, at least in wisconsin. and i think on health care he still can't explain the numbers that he's putting forward. he makes very big claims -- >> all points that she made in the debate. i want to ask you about something on immigration, which is key going into the nevada cauc caucuses. bernie sanders said he owe post the 2007 immigration overhaul, which ultimately failed and he did not support and he cited latino groups, immigration
advocates and yet at the time he really with labor on that. did she miss an opportunity to call him out? >> i think she did call him out on voting against it when that was a really important opportunity to move forward with comprehensive immigration reform. that was a bill that was led by and drafted by ted kennedy. i know that senator sanders said it was tantamount to slavery, but ted kennedy was not going to put a bill on the floor that was going to produce that result. it was a real chance to get comprehensive immigration reform. senator sanders voted against it. basically at the beginning of this campaign he was saying that immigration was taking jobs away from people. you know, he's changed his tune in recent days and takely as we head into nevada. but i think that, you know, he has to answer for that vote. i think it was the wrong vote. >> thank you so much for talking to us, john podesta, the
chairman of hillary clinton's campaign. >> south carolina's democratic primary is just over two weeks ago. gary, tell me about the group you were with. >> reporter: well, anderson, our polling continues to show that old are women are favoring hillary clinton, the youngest women are favoring bernie sanders. . we thought it would be interesting to gather women of all ages in the state of south carolina where the next important primary is. you may seem some men. let it be known these are interlopers. these are women talking. we are just talking to the women, all ages. we have not a scientific sampling here because the first 20 rsvps we allowed insield here to talk to us. so there are more bernie sanders supporters or hillary clinton supporters or undecideds.
how many of you thought there was a good debate for the democratic party is this [ applause ] >> are any of the hillary clinton supporters changing their minds about hillary clinton after watching the debate? >> no. >> are any of the bernie sanders supporters changing their mind? >> no. >> so we haven't changed any minds here. >> is anybody considering a republican after all this? >> no! >> this is the molly darcy va t restaurant, by the way, in charleston, south carolina that has allowed us in. >> i'm laura slowchroeder. i thought bernie nailed it on campaign reform. i thought hillary bobbed and weaved -- >> you feel stronger about bernie sanders? >> i do. i think he acts presidential and represented himself very well.
>> we're going to go up here. i believe this woman, i can tell by the "h" on her shirt that she's a hillary clinton supporter. and your name? >> ann osborne kill patrick. >> that's a long name. >> do you feel better about hillary clinton? >> i do. >> tell me why. >> i think hillary clinton was a -- >> reporter: can you look at me, not into the camera. >> you didn't tell meal where to look. but you thought she did a good job. >> i thought she did an ex-lent name. >> reporter: you came in undecided. i was watching your face because i wanted to see how this debate affected you. who are you ready to vote for in the south carolina primary? >> i'm not ready yet. >> reporter: this convinced you of nothing? >> it helps me to see bernie in
a different perspective. it drew my attention to him and his platform. >> reporter: you're on a first-name basis with him now? >> we go way back. i'm looking into this campaign from my position as an african-american woman who is a business owner action mother and someone who also takes care of my mother and she takes care of me. i just a very global perspective of where my vote is going to go people listen beiing to their narrative. >> reporter: how do you think won the debate? who do you think did better? >> i think what bernie did. i really do. >> reporter: i have one more question for you, would any of you like to see michael bhoombebhoo bloomberg jump in the race? >> no. >> reporter: how about joe biden if he changed his mind is this. >> no! >> bernie!
bernie! >> we thank the women and the interlopes are for joining us for that, getting their perspective. >> that looks like the audience of anderson cooper and andy cohen. >> it does sort of validate what a lot of you were saying earlier that you don't think it's really changed anybody's opinion. it sort of maybe solidified sides. >> debates are almost never won, they're lost. it may not even be fumy fair but there was a moment, the beginning of the debate, which means it's more likely to be a moment where wh bernie sanders turned to hillary and said "you're not in the white house yet" and a lot of people found it struck people on twitter and struck me as being condescending. that's going to hurt senator sanders. >> some are comparing it to when
senator said you're not likeable now. >> whether it's health care or getting us to debt-free tuition or motor vehicling to us paid family leave, i have been very specific about where i would raise the money, how much it would cost and how i would move this agenda forward. there is a great deal of skepticism about the federal government. i'm aware of that. it comes from the right, the left, people on all sides of the political spectrum. so we have a special obligation to make clear what we stand for, which is why i think we should not make promises we can't keep because that he will further i think alienate americans from understanding and believing we can together make some real changes in people's lives. i believe i can get the money that i need by taxing the wealthy, by closing loopholes, the things that we are way overdue for doing. i think once i'm in the white house, we'll have enough
political capital to be ail ble that. >> well, secretary clinton, you're not in the white house yet. and let me be clear that every proposal i have introduced has been paid for. i will do away with the outrageous loopholes that allow profitable, multi-national corporations to stash billions of dollars in the cayman islands and bermuda and in a given year pay zero -- zero in federal income taxes. yeah, i'm going to away with that. >> bill press is a sanders support and the guy who co-wrote the book with senator sanders. i'm kidding. that's a blurb. >> i did the blurb. bernie wrote the book. >> i reacted very negatively when she said identify once i'm in the white house." i think she should have said "if i'm lucky enough to get in the white house" -- >> men say that all the time. when i'm president, blah, blah, blah. >> i'm just telling you my
reaction. bernie probably should not have given that little smart ass remark but would i point out it is similar to what barack obama said, you're likable enough, he is now president obama, he's been in the white house for seven years -- >> david axel thererod will say was a brutal time for their campaign. >> and hillary showed a little humanity. >> compassion. >> we're discussions the exchange as one of the toughest exchanges during the debate. just five days ago we saw chris christie go after marco rubio like a pinata and crack him like a clay pot. >> it was a civil knife fight. it was aggressive. >> up asked if this was good for the democratic party and i think
it was. one of those two is going to be the nominee. whom ever it ends up being is going to be a better debater. >> that statement didn't hang with me the way that it hung with some others on the panel. the takeaway for me was it was another example of her saying without trying to be a buzz kill, you're just not realistic. we'd all like to have the sort of things you're aiming for. it struck me early on in the evening, he wouldn't give a figure, but she said the government would grow by 40%. >> when she said the government was going to grow 40% and he let that go, he let that dangle and never responded to it, it was like, whoa, 40% is a huge increase. and she had -- she came back and said my program is going to cost $100 billion a year. it turns out the critics of her program have been saying it's going to cost $100 billion a year. she was smart to could that. she put it out there and left him how much is your program going to cost? >> let play that for our viewers who may not remember it.
>> i think that the best analysis that i've seen based on senator sanders' plans is that it would probably increase the size of the federal government by about 40%. but what is most concerning to me is that in looking at the plans, let's take health care, for example. last week in a cnn town hall, the senator told a questioner that the questioner would spend about $500 in taxes to get about $5,000 in health care. every progressive economist who has analyzed that says the numbers don't add up. and that's a promise that cannot be kept. this is not about math. this is about people's lives. >> i don't know what economist secretary clinton is talking to, but what i have said and plelet repeat it. the family in the middle of the economy would pay $5 hup more in
taxes and get a reduction in their health care costs of $5,000. in my view health care is a right of all people, not a privilege and i will fight for that. >> based on every analysis that i can find by people who are sympathetic to the goal, the numbers don't add up and many people will be worse off than they are right now. >> that is absolutely inaccur e inaccurate. here is the reality, folks. there is one major country on earth that does not guarantee health care to all people. if we have the courage to take on the drug companies and have the courage to take on the insurance companies and the medical equipment suppliers, if we do that, yes, we can guarantee health care to-to-all people in a much more cost effective way. >> it was interesting he didn't respond to the 40% bigger government and didn't put a price tag on it at all.
>> that's right. andi is thought that weakened h a bit. it underscores the fact that he's good at rallying people, but he still doesn't provide you the infrastructure of his thinking. you still don't come away with a sense of confidence that this is a real plan. it's a slam at the status quo, but are you really ready to govern? >> and here's where she was so smart. instead of just saying you're unrealistic, this can never happen, she said here's what mine will cost. let's take a look at our plans. see said mine would cost x. what about yours? so she doesn't just bash him. she said i've looked at the specifics, people i trust who are interested in what you have to say -- >> progressive economists -- >> progressive economists and where are your numbers here? so she didn't have to bash him. >> i want to be the skunk of the party on this panel bull i think
he wins that argument on health care. he is saying every american should have health care by right of birth. that's the vision, that's the promise, that's the goal. and every other country on the planet does except us. and why can't we? and then she keeps saying no you can't, no you can't, no you can't. i think it's a bad tone for her. >> it's not just going to be hillary the buzz kill. the press attention is now going to shift justifiably because bernie sanders just won a landslide victory in new hampshire. if hillary were making these promises as a fruner when she was one, we would say she's pandering. promises without price tags is pandering. now legitimately reporters are going to say -- >> he said how he was going to fay for it. >> he still didn't give an overall figure. >> there's lot more ahead. we're speaking of numts and whether they add up. tom foreman has a reality check if a moment. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today.
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>> i was really proud of both of our candidates. they did exactly what i as a party chair want to see from the democratic candidates for president, a robust, substantive deconversation on the issues and the direction they would take this country. >> there was some finger wagging, a little fooifie feist. >> oh, yeah. they got into it a little bit back and forth but instead of personal attacks, which is mostly what people remember from the republican debate, what they remember from ours are their differences and where they agreed on national security, health care, the economy, on continuing to great jobs.
that's what the voters want to happy and it's the respect the voters deserve. >> did you think there was no contrast to give democratic voters a real choice between two candidates? >> i think there was certainly contrast. but again, our differences between these two candidates are not on the goals, they're on the approaches. and they agree on a whole lot. and where they differ, it's on approach. >> i do want to ask you really quickly, our panel has some questions for you, but the super bell gatt process is getting attention now. this would give hillary clinton an advantage. >> what do you say to some voters, especially some of the young folks who say maybe the think the political process is unfair to them. >> don't worry. we had the same debate in 2008 and other previous elections. our convention unanimously supported including at then
senator can'tlinton's request - pledged delegate is what is earned, an unpledged is an elected official and party lead are. we make sure they are there so they don't have to be running against our party activists and we can enhance the diversity of our delegations, which is by the comparisons to the republicans, certainly a lot more diverse. >> we're so happy to you have here. we want to ask you even more questions. we'll go back to our panel now in d.c. >> congresswoman, it's gloria borger. i want to ask you about government tonight. hillary clinton said the bernie sanders plan would be an increase in government of 40% and she's proposing some things that would also grow the role of government. government right now, trusting government is attal al ata an a
low. what do you say to people who are skeptical about enlarging the role of government? >> well, i think it's important that voters know that what congratulations belie democrats believe is that government isn't the solution to every problem but government can be a catalyst and we can use government to effectively help people if they work hard, they can have a chance to succeed. ensuring when it comes to college, that the government can help make college more affordable. making sure that we create a health care system like the affordable care act did, which was private sector based but in order to ensure we can make health care a right and not a privilege, the government had to actually push through legislation to require certain things so that everybody could have access to health care. so the republicans believe that
you're on your own, we should take care of the wealthiest, most fortunate americans and if you're someone like ted cruz, it's okay to shut the government down and take us backwards. the contrast is very clear as to how we can effectively use government to help make people's lives better. >> hi, it's michael smerconish with a question. >> hi. >> hi. >> today the state department served a subpoena on the clinton foundation. it a big story. yet tonight there were no questions on that subject. where secretary clinton has problems with the electorate in terms of honesty and trustworthiness, don't up think she would be better served at a forum like tonight on that particular subject in. >> i think the voters were so well served by the questions from judy and from gwen tonight
because it allowed those candidates to talk about their vision for the country, build on how the progress we've made under president obama with 7 1 straight months of job growth and that's how voters are going to decide who they want to vote for for president. ilt important we maximize opportunities to hear the candidates' vision. >> but how does she overcome those hurdles unless there's more discourse in a setting like this? >> come on, michael, you know it's not my responsibility or appropriate to handicap the strategies or how each candidate would tale wideal with things. have i to get us red oo and to point out the major flaws, which are numerous on the republican side and provide a distinction between the direction that our candidates would take our country and the backwards
direction that the republicans would. >> thank you, congresswoman. >> thanks very much for joining us. you do think -- i found it surprising, we talked about this before the debate, we thought there would probably be a question about it given that it was so much in the news today. >> nothing on the speaking fees, nothing on the e-mail issue that i recall. but most importantly, i thought given that this story broke today and i'm cognizant of the fact that there a lot of charges made against the clintons that don't hold water, burr i think this was a legitimate question that shouldhave been asked of her. >> i'm sure she was prepared with an answer. >> there was questions and debate about goldman sachs -- >> and senator sand eshs didn't raise it, which i found interesting. >> did you think he would?
>> sure, why not. both of them stayed away. [ no audio ] >> hillary's discipline here i thought was remarkable. i think you are seeing her recall operating as she moved forward. she did not talk about me, me, me in my experience. she knew her plans and his plans better than bernie did and she just dissected the two different policy proposals. >> bernie came in prepared p. i get all of his fund-raising materials. that's because i donate to both. he said he was prepared for the
kits kitchen sink but nobody brought this a dish towel. by and large it was spirited, it was civil but i thought at the end, we started to see some real disagreements. and next time i think it will get a little bit dirtier next time. >> that i can recall, the only question asked that was relevant to headlines we've read in the last week was the question about madeleine albright and gloria steinem. i was surprised he didn't make the point to why he appeals to all these young are women. he let it go, let it be her answer. >>ism just wanted to pick up on what paul was saying. it sort of came in tangentially,
and bernie moved into -- why do you think they give this money, because they are want to le money around? i thought very effectively on that point. >> it was a very basic appeal to common sense. it makes sense to everybody. >> it wasn't an attack on her. >> let take one more quick break. we'll hear from the sanders campaign, more highlights, more fact checking and that in our next hour of $360."
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it's midnight here in new york. you're watching coverage of the democratic debate. hillary clinton and bernie sanders just two days after a big primary night for her and a bruising one for her. it's a big day of developments for both. the stakes are high and are growing after the debate. it was by and large a civil exchange, but things got heated with the two clashing over president obama. >> today senator sanders said that president obama failed the presidential leadership test and this is not the first time he's kriz tiesed president obama. in the past he called him weak
and a disappointment, he wrote that buyers should have remorse when it comes to president obama's leadership and legacy and i just couldn't agree -- disagree more with those kinds of comments. you know, from my perspective, maybe because i understand what president obama inherited, not only the worst financial crisis, but the an tip thee of the republicans in congress, i don't think he gets the credit he deserves for being a president -- he got us on firm ground and sent us into the future and it is a -- the kind of criticism that we've heard from senator sanders about our president i expect from republicans, i do not expect from someone running for the democrat nomination to succeed president obama. >> madam secretary, that is a
low blow. last i heard, we lived in a democratic society. last i heard a united states senator had the right to disagree with the president, including the president who has done such an extraordinary job. so i have voiced criticisms. you're right, maybe you haven't. i have. but i think to suggest that i have voiced criticism, this plush that you talked about, it said that the next president of the united states has got to be aggressive in bringing people in to the political process. that's what i said, that is what i believe. president obama and i are friends. as you know he came to vermont to campaign for me when he was a senator. i have worked for his first election and his reelection, but i think it is really unfair to suggest that i have not been supportive of the president. i have been a strong ally on him, with him on virtually every
issue. do senators have the right to disagree with the president, have you ever disagreed with a president? i suspect you may have. >> senator, what i am concerned about is not disagreement on issues saying that this is what i'd rather do, i don't agree with the president on that, calling the president weak, calling him a dispointment calling several times that he should have a primary opponent when he ran for reelection in 2012, i think that goes further than saying we have our disagreements. as a senator -- yes, i was a senator. i understand we can disagree on the path forward, but those kinds of personal assessments and charges are ones that i find -- troubling. >> one of us ran against barack obama. i was not that candidate. >> from the stage the action moved right into the spin room.
we spoke with chairman the last hour. and know with have the counterpart on sanders side. >> reporter: that's right. i do want to ask you, this is something i asked of john, i know you think your candidate won. >> i do. >> what was your assessment of this debate and how it compared to other show downs. >> i thought there was certainly a hard hitting contrast on the issues which i thought was very positive for voters to be able to see the differences between the candidates, whether it's dealing with wall street or foreign policy or immigration or a number of other issues they talked about tonight. i thought it was a good discussion of the issues for the voters who are going to be making a decision. >> secretary clinton's acquisition towards bernie sanders is that he's over promising, he's making campaign promises that he can't deliver
on, it seemed like specifically health care he said look at canada. is that sufficient enough in terms of specifics to make his case that people will be paying less for health care over all, but more in taxes? >> look, we handed out our proposal so it's not like those numbers were generated by the sanders campaign. we can save money by going on it a single payer health care system. you're going to have an average family that's going to save $5,000 a year in savings. >> i covered congress and that's why i know that numbers can be fujed a little bit. what's your answer where she's saying so many people say it's going to cost a lot of money. >> let me say in terms of fudging numbers, secretary clinton criticized senator
sanders for not paying for his programs. they're about two-thirds shy of paying for their programs. so they can say that paid for everything, but until they do they haven't. >> lastly when we spoke a few days ago i said are you going to nevada you said we're going to try. has this changed. >> no. we're going to nevada. >> are you going to succeed. >> i'll let you know a february 20th at the caucuses. >> thanks for joining us. >> thanks very much. plenty to talk about with our panel. that is i think hillary clinton is going to stop off in south carolina, but nevada is coming up for the republicans. >> they're standing in mill walk key which will be an important democratic state. the referenc but most of this debate they're going first to nevada where you
have latinos and laten americans and that's what ta was the last time and then south carolina where african-americans will make up a majority. both candidates aware of that as they slug this out. it's one-to-one. if hillary won iowa and bernie won new hampshire. this is in the momentum face because then we get into the delegate phase. >> we heard the undecided voter that was in the interview say that bernie sanders had spoken to her a little bit more than hillary because i think the expectation is when it comes to that obama coalition of hispanics and african-americans and today he made a point to bring back every domestic policy issue question to the minority question to the woman issue. i think they both did a good job at sticking to the issues and making their arguments via the
issues. >> she was asked questions about the historic nature of her candidacy she was given the opportunity to speak to young women i think it took until the second answer when she got it right and when it came back to bernie he made reference to the historic nature of his election which i took as religion although he didn't clearly express it as such and that's not something i've heard href residence in the past. >> a lot of people don't know bernie sanders. this is is a guy from vermont and he could have filled in the blanks. >> let's play the sound bites. >> senator do you worry that you'll be the instrument of thwarting history that hillary clinton is saying she might be the first president. >> somebody with my background,
somebody with my views, somebody who has spent his entire life taking on the big money interest, i think a victory would be of some historical accomplishment as well. >> no reference to faith, but i think a reference to democratic sociali sociali socialism. >> he's not a religious candidate. he doesn't like to talk about himself as you know. it doesn't come naturally. >> when we asked him at the town hall he said he is a person of strong faith. >> that question on both of them on their faith was remarkable. i admire that about bernie here in the sense that "the new york times" ran this article today he is the first jew ever to win a primary and ever to win delegates at any national convention. now, bernie's not bragging about that. he didn't mention it when he had the opportunity tonight. he just referenced given my
background and his faith that that would also be of some historic significance. i thought it was just the right tone. >> my counsel would have been wherever possible local lies, hm eyes. hillary has the problem today we she talked about wisconsin labor unions. so clearly she got the memo. what's interesting is you drew it out of them. i'm told bernie doesn't like talking about his personal background and one time he did and i think he missed the opportunity he talked about his parents immigrated from poland, it's an all american story, but he's hesitant to tell it and that's add mirrorable as human being you have to tell it. >> hillary clinton talks about
policy which is what i liked about the town hall format where he had the rabi asking her a question she hadn't been asked before and she was thinking about it. >> we've heard hillary clinton talk a lot about her mom and her experiences growing up. i think she's done it more than he has. we don't know his personal story. >> i just went back and played it during a commercial break when she started talking about she's fighting for those left behind. she wants to remove the barriers. i thought for the first time hillary really gave a great message of why she's running and she talked about the women who are still looking for real wages and the gay community. i thought it was an inclusive closing, but it also went to this point of why she's running, what is she trying to do and i thought tonight she answered that question. >> we have to take a quick break. a lot more ahead to talk about
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hillary clinton and bernie sanders debated for just under two hours. a bit early we played the sound of the candidates talk about who is financing their campaigns. we have a reality check on that. >> anderson, both of these candidates wanted to say things tonight about how they're paying for this campaigning.
listen. >> we both have a lot of small donors. i think that sets us apart from the republican side in i'm the only candidate up here of the many candidates who has no super pac. >> so both of them are trying to create impressions here. let's look at the money they have raised. hillary clinton has raised more, 114 million to about 75 million for him and you heard her say we wo both have a lot of small donors. if you break it out in terms of small donors people who give less than $200, they both have a lot. he has many more than she does, more than 70% of his supporters from those small donors, hers only about 16%. she's getting more money from big money donors. she did not mention that. what about bernie sanders saying he has nothing to do with super pacs? that's not entirely forthcoming either. there is at least one out there that has $2.3 million to support
his campaign. it's not operated by his campaign. he's said he's not really interested in doing something like that, but it does exist. he didn't mention it. she has a lot more super pac money as well. in the end when you look at all this information and you know the impressions you're trying to give, you have to look at those statements and say they both said things that were technically true, but because of what they left out it is was misleading. >> all right. tom, thanks very much. back with our panel now. david, you had some point you want to talk about. >> i think we've been positive about the debate and i think it was a very good debate, but i think one important thing we haven't talked about is how different this debate was tonight from what we might have heard when bill clinton was running. this was a debate that was about how to fix problems by growing government. there wasn't a sentence about how to grow the economy or jobs. bill clinton would have been talking about innovation, how do we move things in this new age,
how do we go green. in that sense it was like, wow, the center of gravity has moved to the left. >> she's reacting to sanders. >> absolutely. >> i think one of his shortcomings is that in addition to banging wall street the way he does, he should say something about the virtue of small businesses in this country. i've never heard him use the e word, but if he would speak in those terms i think it would give him additional credibility. >> we heard from secretary clinton about i'll get rid of waste in government. i feel like don't we hear that all the time? >> no specifics. >> she will consolidate training programs and then she would find ways to make certain other areas in labor and other more efficient. so she didn't get into the dark. >> this is not a criticism of
her, but i don't know of any politician who would say let's increase ineofficialsies in government. >> you don't want to raise taxes. that's the other alternative. bernie sanders says i'm going to raise taxes, but your health insurance premiums will go down to much you will end up on the positive side. >> here's three things in the government they ought not to be doing, republicans should be saying there's three great things. we ought to be able to have an honest conversation. >> bernie sanders said he would cut defense. >> he gave the speech about waste in government. >> he gave a speech about going after republicans. i just got the feeling that neither of them grew their tent
much. spoke to their people, but did they get anybody that's on the fence? >> growing the tent is an interesting way to put it. republican turn out is up in both states. democratic turn out is down in both states since 2008. republicans feel like they have the energy. how much of that -- republicans think we have a chance to get the white house back after eight years, but some people say it was senator and president obama who brought a lot of new voters and for all the success senator sanders has in getting support from young people and independents that there's not a ground swell yet. there's no evidence that the democratic excitement is as high. >> you're a republican -- >> they need donald trump on the democratic side of the aisle if they want to drive their participation. >> it's not just our coverage, but the entire political conversation has been who will replace barack obama. i'm not surprised at turn out
right now seems to be on the republican side, but come november that will flip. >> let me tell you if you're a republican and you watched this debate tonight -- you need to give me water a. if you're a republican and you watched this tonight you're terrified because you're going to have to choose between one candidate who can't stop thinking about yes and another guy who wants to redistribute my wealth. you're terrified about what you heard in this debate. >> you're not terrified about donald trump as your nominee. >> i'm horrified. >> what was missing here was the sense that you opened tonight by talking about the turmoil in the financial markets and the concern now that the economy may be really slowing down significantly, there was no reflection of that. how are we going to get this economy to grow with? that is what is creating so much
hardship among people. the economy is growing at half the rate it used to grow and there's no discussion of how do we get this back on track and get this moving again. >> the discussion was more about -- or the subtext was -- what i can do for you and also how do we get the obama coalition together without obama because that's what these candidates were working on tonight. they were trying to appeal for voters and vote for us even though obama is not at the top of the ticket anymore. that's a challenge for the democrats and i'm not sure either one of them did that don't. >> could i raise i think the weirdest part. you said what's lacking in the debate tonight. i was going to raise the weirdest part was this debate over this henry kissinger. why was hillary wrapping in the arms of kissinger. >> let's play that because it is
fascinating. >> in her book and in this last debate she talked about getting the approval or the support or the mentoring of henry kissinger. now i find it rather amazing because i happen to believe that henry kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the history of this country. he is not my friend. i will not take advice from him and his actions when the united states over threw that country and created instability and some three million innocent people were killed, so count me in as somebody who not be listening to
henry kissinger. >> well, i know journalists have asked who do you listen to on foreign policy and we have yet to know who it is in is it ain't henry kissinger. >> that's fine. i listen to a wide variety of voices that have expertise in various areas. i think it is fair to say whatever the complaints that you want to make about him are that with respect to china, one of the most challenging relationships we have, his opening up china and his ongoing relationships with the leaders of china is an incredibly useful relationship for the united states of america. >> the context i think is important -- >> the question is you're adapting sanders now is wagging the finger. >> you know why because hillary was using -- >> it's the brook listen catching a cab. >> what the context was they
were asked who are the historical leaders you admire and bernie said fdr and churchill. >> bernie said you met with henry kissinger and i thought ratds than let it drop -- >> can i give a little context, henry kissinger is 93 years old. >> that's the point i want to make. >> there's an argument by age if you look right now. >> 90% of democrats are going to say who is henry kissinger and the other 10% are going to say they hate him. >> a president actually has to get advice from all kinds of people and in clinton's first six months in office said the old man has been writing clinton three or four times, nixon thought hillary was intercepting the letters and burning them. i went to the president and i
was like president nixon wants to see you. he came in and they met for a long time. they talked about russia. the guy was really smart. was that wrong for bill clinton to reach out to nixon? of course not. >> he said the best advice he got on the soviet union is nixon. >> i understand talking to nixon, but not kissinger. >> up ahead why appealing to african-american voters so crucial to candidates. oa, whoa,. i have to apologize, again. look, those were last years numbers. it says right here on the card. t-mobile doubled there lte coverage in the last year. and with more lte towers than verizon, t-mobile reaches pretty much everyone they do. i'm not taking responsibility on this one... uh-uh, verizon got it wrong... yes! not me! join the millions that switched.
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>> we spoke ou the candidates spoke about civil rights. given the make up of the coming prime areas especially in south carolina how well each candidate reaches african-americans could make a difference. >> let's show we'll bring up the national african-american population. the deeper the color, the higher percentage of african-americans. not many african-americans. we had the vote up in new hampshire, not many african-americans. then they come to south carolina. a much higher african-american population means the democrats are courting their traditional base. 43% of the vote was white. and then senator obama was
third, but 55% of the vote was african-american, senator obama getting most of those rest. >> that is why you heard so much tonight from these candidates even though they were standing in wisconsin they were talking to voters in nevada, on the civil rights issues this is the population they were courting. one of the reasons they think this is their con sit wentsy. bill clinton won 43%. bill clinton cleaned up 77% of it. so they're hope in the clinton campaign is they get that vote this time, but you could see senator sanders tonight trying to intensify his pitch. he's late to this game. he's from vermont but he's been trying hard to increase his support among the african-americans. >> do we have nevada or this south carolina.
>> the latino population comes in there. the white vote was 65% and hillary clinton won and the african-american vote is 15%. senator obama won that, but the latino vote was 15% then and again secretary clinton did very well in the race winning nevada on the ultimately losing the nomination was 15% back in 2008. most people expect it to be higher this time. >> fascinating to look at the numbers. do you see much of in south carolina a generational divide among african-american voters just as we've seen among women voters going for senator sanders overwhelming over senator clinton do you see much breakdown? >> i think there's only been two polls, but i think from the information i've gathered from listening to people on the radio and others, yeah, hillary clinton has to make her case not just to young african-americans, but i think she has to make her
case to southerners in general. we came from the south. >> it's late. >> there's no question that she really has to appeal to them, many of them don't know her background, they don't know a lot about bill clinton. they were no the around when the famous poe et called bill clinton the first black president. i do believe this is going to be a very competitive race because african-americans are looking for someone who will support the so called legacy of obama, but to look to somebody who will champion issues that may have got lost over the last eight years. >> frankly the best thing that could happen to our communities is that it is competitive. make them sweat it. don't give it away for free. it's not about what they did for
you last week, it's about tomorrow. >> when he was asked about race relations he turned that into billionaires getting tax cuts. i'm not sure that's the best way to talk about race issues is to talk about billionaire getting tax cuts. >> he talks about racial inequality and then economic inekwalty. listen to him talking about it tonight. >> we are looking at an economy in which the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and sadly in american today a whole lot of those poor people are african-american. >> so race relations would be better under a sanders presidency than they've been? >> absolutely. we will say instead of giving tax breaks to billionaires we are going to create millions of
jobs for low income kids so they're not hanging out on street corners. we're going to make sure those kids stay in school, are able to get a college education and i think when you give low income kids, african-american, white, latino kids the opportunities to get their lives together they are not going to end up in jail, they're going to end up in the productive economy. >> some of the messages we heard from sanders. >> there's no doubt the clinton escharotomi s have had long deep real relationship with the african-american community in the south. the governor of arkansas all the way through that bernie sanders does not have. i believe the issues that he's talking about really do resonate across the board. the other point is i hear the same argument about african-americans in south carolina that i heard about the clinton supporters in new hampshire. this was her territory.
she had run four prime areas up there. these are the people that put her over barack obama in 2008. they weren't there in new hampshire. i don't think they can take them for granted in south carolina either. >> i remember hearing in 2008 everybody thought hispanics were not going to vote for the african-american and guess what they did. so i think we can't see everything through the spectrum of race, gender or color. >> black voters are very sophisticated. they don't look at a candidate and say well i've known you for 20 years and therefore i like you. but they also read and look at the issues. they have conversations as you saw in the beauty parlor. you didn't see it in the restaurant. there's no question that the african-american voters are going to pay close attention and
they're going to make a decision based on what they're saying to them now. >> like tonight, we know what they're doing to say now. bernie is going to say i don't like wall street. hillary is going to say i do like barack obama. i think her message going to south carolina is a little bit better. >> i'm not questioning liking barack obama, but i will say in iowa and new hampshire a lot of people democrats who said i love president obama. i like hillary clinton. but i'm thinking about bernie sanders or i'm for bernie sanders because he's talking more about tomorrow where he's going to take me, not where he's been. i think that's something she needs to get better at and he's making a connection with people. democrats like hillary clinton and respect her and love their president, but he is connecting with the younger voters by talking about tomorrow and not yes. >> that's why it was so important tonight because it was about breaking down barriers and going further and that was the
first time i heard her talk about the future in that way. >> as long as we're talking about identity politics, her answer on women was kind of interesting because one of the moderators, i think it was juddy may have pointed out that 55% of women in new hampshire supported bernie sanders and hillary clinton had a very good answer for that which is i want to appeal to you, but i'm just glad that women feel empowered, my last favorite word, but she clearly likes it and i think she said in answering the question about madeleine albright there's a special place in hell for women who don't women because it's clear this is a huge disappointment for her and she can't get them by saying you're making the wrong choice, how dare you not vote for me. >> there's a definite
generational divide. you can see it by the black lives matter movement that's a younger push on the campuses and so forth. i totally understand why african-americans like that would be drawn to bernie sanders and what he's arguing. what is disturbing is the way that some are going to back to bill clinton's record and beginning to argue he was not a good president for blacks as a reason to vote for bernie sanders. looks at the time did not agree with that. he got 82% in '92 and 84% in '96 and in the last years of his presidency he had high ratings among the blacks. >> we'll talk about which candidate would make a better commander in chief. was engineered...
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tonight's debate featured a few clashes and a lot of claims and here's another key moment on being commander in chief as well as women's issues. >> i have said many times i am not asking people to support me because i'm a woman. i'm asking people to support me because i think i'm the most qualified, experienced and ready person to be the president and
commander in chief and i appreciate greatly senator sanders voting record. we need a leader on women's issues, somebody who votes right, but leads the efforts to protect the hard fought gains that women have made that make no mistake that are under tremendous attack, not just by the republican presidential candidates but by an effort to try to set back women's rights, so i'm asking women and men to support me because i'm ready to go into the white house on january 20th, 2017 and get to work on both domestic and foreign policy. >> this is an issue that secretary clinton feels she has an advantage over sanders, although we predicted before the debate sanders tries to come back and say experience is one thing and judgment is another
and i had the judgment to vote against the war in iraq. >> she says one vote does not mean you have great judgment. >> she's saying you have to focus on what's happening now. >> she went a step further and she said that didn't hinder president obama from naming me the secretary of state. i thought this was the greatest unexploited area of his weakness and that is the difficulty in perceiving him as commander chief. i don't think she's closed that deal. >> she probably should chase him around more on that. it's not his area of kpeert tea tease and it is hers. how are you going to take on isis. any time he gets off of wall street it's like a slot machine, he's not registering, he doesn't care. >> it was interesting to hear her discount some of his specific ideas about bringing in coalition partners, bringing in
the saudi arabia to cooperate. >> this is her wheel house and she wants to emphasis this, however the republicans are focussed on terrorism, national securi security, democrats are foxed on the economy. i was surprised she didn't bring up the testimony of the intelligence officials saying isis plans to attack the united states next year. >> i think one of her best punches of the night was against trump. she said we're trying to put together a coalition in that area. does this man have a possibility of putting together a coalition. >> i thought it was interesting also that both candidates used donald trump to their advantage. >> he was hovering over this. >> let's play some of it. >> we need to do that throughout
the country, but we need to understand that american muslims are on the front line of our defense. they are more likely to know what's happening in their families and their communities and they need to feel not just invited, but welcomed within the american society so when somebody like donald trump and others -- [ applause ] stirs up tit up, it hurts us at home. the same goes overseas where we have to put together a muslim coalition of nations. i put together the coalition that imposed the sanctions russiiran and you don't tell muslim nations that you want them to be part of the coalition when you have a leading president of the united states who insults their
religion. >> is this something sanders can try to bolster his credentials on. she's clearly more well versed in the topics whether or not voters care whether or not voters believe that makes better judgment. >> he tried to take her on when she criticized obama for wanting to engage iran and said you're kind of inconsistent and she threw it right back at him on libya. she said that he was inconsistent because he supported regime change. so i think she can punch him. he's not good at punching back at her on this because clearly he doesn't have the kpeeexperti but there's a danger in that she can't appear to hawkish in the party. >> talking about your experience
is an asset. in this campaign not necessarily so? if there's something in the water, people are looking for something different. >> it's not experience, it's strength. i think she did tonight. bernie does seem a little out of his depth. he needs some generals and admirals. >> it was interesting she sort of hit him on that saying we don't know who your advisors are. we're going to take another quick break. ♪ ♪ ♪ lease a 2016 lincoln mkx for $399 a month only at your lincoln dealer.
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as we've seen in other democratic debates this election season there were many instances tonight where clinton and sanders agreed with each other and it's striking to see compared to other debates. here is a sampling. >> we both agree that we have to get unaccountable money out of our system. >> i completely agree with senator sanders. >> i would hope that we could all agree. >> we both share the goal of universal health care. both of us share the goal of trying to make college affo affordable. i think we're in agreement here. i think it's fair to say we don't have a disagreement. >> it did seem to me watching that it was more often her saying that we're in agreement which was basically her trying
to draw herself closer to him i assume. >> in previous debates he was the candidate that said i agree with secretary clinton so it shows there's unity in the democratic party and it will help us. >> i think she was trying to blur the differences and she didn't want to get into that. >> it was an agreement. they served in the senate for a couple of years. she's a moderate democrat he's a socialist. so the democratic party for good -- i think it's good, much more united. the republicans have differences. they are so far apart, but the democrats are kind of agreeing with the moderate 93% of the time. >> democratic socialist. >> you are -- >> as opposed to republican socialist. >> we're in the early chapters of two fascinating battles. both are fascinating so what we should focus on what we are getting from these debates quite
a contrast we're going to see in november. tonight you have two paths to citizenship. two democrats saying my ultimate goal different ways but to get to different health care, republicans say we're going to repeal health care. >> i think yes i mean it's like alternate unversus and i think tonight hillary clinton was trying to occupy a little bit of bernie sanders universe because she doesn't want to allen nate those younger voters, she wants to open their eyes they could be duane drawn to her side. >> i would wager that if she had won new hampshire there would be have been less agreement than tonight. she would have been to the right of him on a number of issues. >> she doesn't have as clear a lane as he does. his worst detrektor knows what bernie represents and what he stands for.
what i saw her tonight was trying to lay claim to president obama for these next several prime areas. she wants people to nope that bernie sanders is critical of barack obama. >> that's why i thought it was a good night for both candidates and a great night for my book. >> sanders is forward. >> that's the whole thing. >> let's end it there. thanks everyone. thanks for watching. in a moment an repeat of tonight's debate.
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thank you, new hampshire. >> thank you, iowa. >> it looks like we are in a virtual tie. >> there is so much at stake in this election. >> we will need to come together and unite this party. >> senator sanders and i share a lot of the same goals. but there are differences. >> secretary clinton does represent the establishment. >> i am not going to make promises i can't keep. >> what happened here in new hampshire, that is what will happen all over this country. >> we're going to fight for every vote in every state. >> are you guys ready for a radical idea? >> you've got to be ready on day one.