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♪ ♪ i'm michael smerconish. this week the former chair of the south carolina gop noted in iowa voter expect candidates to trudge through the snow and hold small meetings in diners. in new hampshire, they expected to come into the living room and have coffee but in south carolina, they want to see how you can take a punch and so, donald trump has called jeb bush a mama's boy and a lightweight and ted cruz a liar. now he's even ripping the pope. and then there is ted cruz' ad bashing hillary clinton by showing her bashing a hard drive. and speaking of hillary, she's continuing her attack on bernie sanders for his lack of support of president obama as she seeks
to solidify her standing among african americans. but first, the republican field is engaged in a new round of attacks over immigration just ahead of tonight's critical debate in south carolina and the important primaries around the corner. the latest punch, donald trump is knocking ted cruz in a tweet where he says if ted cruz doesn't clean up his act, stop cheating and doing negative ads, i have standing to sue him for not being a natural born citizen. it wasn't just cruz, candidate haves been working hard to out do one another with who can be more hard lined on bidding a border wall, nasty deportations and banning syrian refugees. a front-page story in today's new york times reports gop party leaders hoped some of the most provocative speech could have calmed down by now. the party's self-examination how they failed to win the last election very clearly said it had to embrace comprehensive reform or doomed to continue
defeat. i want to talk about this and more with sean spicer, the chief strategists and communications director for the republican committee. did the times get it correct today when they said party leaders like yourself had hoped there would be more of a calm tone to the rhetoric by now? >> well, i think it's all relative. we all recognize as party leaders, we have talked before, we would love as republicans for everyone to follow regan's 11th commandment and be focussing fir attacks on hillary clinton. that being said, we recognize politics as a contact sport. you commented folks in south carolina are used to at this stage of the contest to have candidates kind of showing their mi might, showing they are ready to take on the general election. we get this is part of the process. i'd rather have it focused but look, politics is tough.
if you think this is tough, taking on the clinton machine will be tougher and so we want a candidate that comes out of the primary having had a couple contests showing their metal and ready to go on to a general election. we have to keep in context, having barbs thrown back is forth is nothing compared to the leading candidate or what was the leading candidate under what is admitted and confirmed fbi investigation. so i will take some twitter attacks on our party any day of the week over if i were at the dnc having to say what happens if we have a candidate that is now under fbi investigation or worse under indictment? i will take the twitter tweets back and forth any day of the week. >> i'm going to get to that issue not with you but in a segment to follow because i said on cnn thursday night, i was surprised on the day "the
washington post" broke a story that a superhad arrived at the clinton foundation from the state department that question wasn't asked in the thursday night debate. >> absolutely. it was appalling that you have not only that. so number one, you have the fbi confirming that there is an fbi investigation going into the leading candidate to new hampshire and former secretary of state, not one question but further and even also equal, that the clinton foundation has allegations coming against it and again, neither of those issues are being brought up and i think that that's not just sad if you're a republican but as a democrat because if you allow your supposed front run tore get through the primary without facing tough questions and end up as a party post july with a candidate that's under indictment, that's a big problem, as a republican, i don't have a problem with that but i think if you're a democratic voter and knowing that your top candidate wasn't questioned about that giving them a pass is a problem. >> all right. you're being too effective at
your objective taking me off my game so let me get back to your need to expand the tent. you remember when george will wrote this column last year and pointed out that papa bush and mitt romney got the same percentage of the white vote, 59% but where in 1988 that got you 426 electoral votes, now only worth about 206. so are you concerned that if the rhetoric continues relative to the border, you're going to lose the very people you need to build the coalition from the fall. >> right. as you've noted, chairman priebus after 2012 shifted all of the resources party into two things, data and people. we spent the majority of our funds putting people into the field year around into communities we haven't been the and african american and hispanic and asian communities and out reach in places we didn't do as well.
we have as a party put our money where our mouth is and gone out and created relationships. we lost black women 97-3. we have to do better and part of that is just through relationship building, going out there and talking about how our party aligns with their values and believe in faith, how we believe in entrepreneur and when you come to this country legally you want to do things that will allow you to flourish as individually and as a family, how to grow a business and so i think that we put our money where our mouth is as a party and i think our cab dates in varying degrees and different ways have -- >> i think i just lost sean spicer. i lost him. sugar. i had more i wanted to question him about. well, let's continue in this same vein in terms of what is going on in the republican party relative to immigration and how that issue is being handled. loser, liar, low energy, those are a couple names that donald trump has called his political opponents since announcing his candidacy but now trump is
calling out a higher authority, he's taking on pope francis. >> i think that the pope is a very political person. i think he doesn't understand the problems our country has. i don't think he understands the danger of the open border that we have with mexico. >> joining now me is bill donohue, the president and ceo of the catholic league and wrote an article titled the elite don't get trump's appeal. thanks for being back here. is that fair criticism of the pontiff by donald trump? i know that you're often the abtraitor of what is fair and unfair. >> there is no question what trump said is not insulting, not a matter of disdain and dispangment, that's when i get involved. if people want to criticize the catholic church, the pope on any public policy issue, as long as they hit above the belt, that's all free speech. what do i care? i don't like when non-catholics try to tell catholics whether or
not we should have women priests. if trump got insulting, i would be the first one to lash out at him but he has every right to disagree with the pope. lots of catholics disagree with the pope and indeed a number of priests and i would dare say bishops and cardinals may not be in line with him. >> do you agree with donald trump when he says pope francis just quoteopen border issues? >> i think donald trump doesn't understand the teaching of the catholic church is this, we believe in borders. there is nobody in the catholic church that said you can't have borders. what they have said is this, once a person is in this country, even if he came in illegal illegally, we have a moral obligation to tend to that person's needs. that part of it trump and a lot of other people don't get. >> you have said previously and written relative to the general election and i know the catholic league will not formally endorse but you bill donohue have said and correct me if i'm wrong, anybody but her and i think we
know who you're talking about. do you therefore worry about the issue with sean spicer that the republican party might now be ruining the opportunity in the fall because they are not engaging properly hispanics? >> well, there is no request -- first of all, as you know i'm not a republican so they can figure that out themselves but to the extent there is a course language involved, yes, the republicans are very much involved in that but look, the thing that's been bothering me about some of theconservatives ganging up on trump, this man speaks to the blue collar people, conservatives tonight and a lot of talking heads on tv don't. donald trump speaks to people because he speaks to them, he doesn't speak above them. he doesn't speak past them and he has something refreshing about him. he's authentic. he's not measured. he's not controlled. he's not run by the handlers,
manipulators and lobbyists and can go directly to the people even if they disagree. >> bill -- >> there is something about him that makes him different from the other people. >> hey, you earned a phd in sociology from nyu, which is impressi impressive, so i should call you dr. donohue. listen to trump's appeal thus far, roll it. >> it's political bull [ bleep ]. it's all bull [ bleep ]. okay? all bull [ bleep ]. tell them to go [ bleep ] themselves whoever the hell bought this mike system the son of a. i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. we'd beat the [ bleep ] out of them. if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. she said she's a [ bleep ]. terrible. >> bill, you would be saying the roseries if you went to confession tomorrow and had to acknowledge you had done all of
that. >> i'm not going to sanction that at all but you know what is amazing, we for the last 20, 30 years in our music, anybody watch bet or mtv? we have been doing out of hollywood, what's going on in radio and television and movies, the coursety of the language, the fact that we are so crude in the way we hit people and then when a politician says something we get upset about it. the vulgarity is disgusting and trump contributes to it and to that extent i'm against him. all of a sudden, we can't act like little virgins. we've been allowing this language to go on for a long time and if i speak up about it, i'm a prude. now it's cool to say this is wrong. >> you were analyzing for news max trump's appeal and you wrote something that i want you to expand upon. you said the working class also resonates with trump's no non-sense approach to mexico and
china when saying noting about the free ride that illegal aliens are getting, they are treating workers with contempt. explain to me. >> well, when you talk to the working class and this is the problem with guys running for president and talking head conservatives, why don't they do something meaningful in life and drop into an irish pub. nobody speaks to their ail nation not ever and they are not anti immigration. they say how come nobody speaks up for me and i have to pay for a kids' college education in new york city. they want free rides for everybody. these people are barely making it and the same thing with so many different other issues freech. free trade, what a joke. all these people talking about free trade. there is no free trade unless it's a two-way street. the workers are getting screwed and trump knows it. these guys are up in the ivory
towers saying that ideas are the only things that matter. ideas are not the only thing that matter. you've got to be able to touch the people in a vis real manner and listen to ideas. if you come across as measured and handled, they won't listen to you. the regan democrats are critical to republicans and republicans never figured out how to get them back because they don't speak to the people. >> i'll bill donohue and i approve this message. thank you for being here. >> thank you. now i want to hear from all of you, tweet me at smerconish and maybe i'll retweet you later in the program. coming up, banning of a cartoon meant to teach school kids racial understanding. some parents say it actually reinforces white guilt. and bernie sanders dominated hillary clinton in new hampshire practically tied her in iowa but so far has 468 convention delegates and he has just 53. how is that possible?
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donald trump insulted prisoners of war, disabled and immigrants and so far his supporters, they have eaten it up. this week, his opponents had hoped he hit bottom after using a vulgar word to describe ted cruz but not so fast. listen to this. >> political hacks. we have hacks. i know some of them. they are political hacks. they get their job -- i won't use foul language. i'm just not going to do it. i'm not going to do it. they are saying do it, do it. no. i'm not. that's better, right? instead of -- right? a woman here on my side. you're right. she said don't do it. right? don't do it. because they always have -- even
if it's not a bad word, if it's a little bit off, they kill me so i won't do it. i'll never do it again, actually. >> that was baton rouge, 10,000 people pack into that arena and many begging him to use a word that rimes with wussy. can he do anything that is over the line? let us turn to our political panel. former clinton white house counsel lanny davis and roger stone who worked for trump, worked for regan, george w. bush and richard nixon and has a brand-new book out "jeb the bush crime family." you never want to have stone writing a book about you. roger, it's a sad commentary when you got thousands of people jammed in an arena, many begging a guy to use a vulgarity. >> actually, it's our pop culture. donald trump is the greatest show on earth. he doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke. he's had a phenomenal career and unscripted as bill donohue said
and unhandled and unmanaged and the american voters find it refreshing. does anyone really think our political leaders don't speak like this behind the scenes when they are not on camera? of course they do. harry trueman did. richard dwight eisenhower did. >> is this what hillary clinton wants to face in the fall or is there part of you, be honest, that says this is frightening because he's really energized his base? >> i say keep it up, mr. trump. republican party nominee, his negatives among the general population not the republican base is higher than any other person running for president. so as a general election candidate we extrapolate at this time of season from what the base of each party issi doing. i think mr. stone would agree
with me that when you're in a general election, you have to appeal to center left center right voters who are the swing voters. your base is going to be with you no matter what you do. having said that, i think that mr. donohue is correct and mr. stone probably would agree with me if there is a large segment of the generagain -- general elt promising and not delivering, the problem with bernie sanders and donald trump and others is that the rhetoric can be inspiring emotional, even the insults appeal to a certain part of the brain but when they are actually telling people how they will solve the problems that mr. donohue rightly talked about, the solutions and the ability to get things done are lacking. that will come through in the general election more than the primary season. >> roger stone, a subject near and dear to your heart dirty tricks. i noted at the outset, the
reputation that south carolina has and yet, thus far in south carolina humor is a card that ted cruz is playing. take a look at a piece of this commercial run by ted cruz already. >> look, i got the trump action figure. >> no, way, it's huge. >> what does he do? >> he pretends to be a republican. [ laughter ] >> he pretends, he pretends to be a republican. here is my question, roger, for you, what is more effective, rotten tricks or dirty humor. >> i think it was ineffective. any time when we have americans being beheaded abroad, when our illegal immigrants are murdering and raping people, when our economy is in the toilet, when there are no jobs, i don't think anyone is voting on imminent domain. in fact, most voters don't even know what it is. so, you're going to have a slug
fest in south carolina. reports i heard last night of phone banks calling voters, telling them that donald trump is proabortion, a lie, ted cruz says he knows nothing about it yet the phone calls are conducted by a company founded by his campaign manager, this is part and parcel of south carolina politics. i frankly think that anyone who knows donald trump should not take lightly his threat to sue ted cruz over the question of his constitutional eligibility. don't hold your breath. i think that lawsuit is coming. >> i want to switch to the democratic side of the isle. lanny, the math, the delegate math, i must be missing something. bernie sanders tied your candidate in iowa. he beat her in new hampshire. look at this tally. how does she have 468 to his 53 delegates at this stage? >> there is something called superdelegates who are elected officials, members of congress, members of the democratic
national committee automatically entitled to vote as delegates in the national convention. as we discovered in the '08 campaign while many superdelegates were for hillary clinton by the end of the process when barack obama was the clear leader, enough to capture the nomination, the superdelegates followed the lead of the voters. so it's premature to draw conclusions about those numbers but what it does say if it's senator sanders working in the u.s. senate has never had a single member of the senate endorse him for a president and he described ted kennedy's immigration reform measure of 2007 as a pathway to slavery of people who are of the working class or some such reference to slavery about ted kennedy's immigration reform bill, he will have to be accountable for that in nevada. so the superdelegates will
ultimately at the end of the process, michael, reflect the popular and delegate. a little too early to jump to conclusions after just two caucus in an election. >> lanny, i said something to sean spicer i would like to repeat to you. there was a debate thursday night, thursday there was a story em blazened on the home page of the washington post, a revelation that a superarrived at the clinton foundation and came from the inspector general's office of the state department. it didn't even warrant a question. i don't understand that. i don't think hillary clinton is benefitting when it doesn't get discussed because you know the internals show that she's got a problem of honesty and trustworthiness among even democrats. would you have liked questions to have been asked about that? >> i said this to you on a program where you had the former attorney general of the united states that to suggest the slightest bit of wrongdoing is inferred from a super from one
individual muchless no evidence of wrongdoing and muchless nothing else and should be bought up at a national debate, sure she should say what i said. a subpoena, you're a lawyer and you'll infer what. the fact that the subpoena, the foundation that's done so much good all over the world has nothing but no facts and you think that is an issue that should be brought up in a national debate, i would respectfully disagree. my responding, i would say no conclusion whatsoever from the fact of a superbpoena, none. >> when "the washington post" has a front page story saying the inspector general offered a subpoena to the clinton foundation, i'm sure you agree with me it warrants. >> there is one under federal investigation. she has erased e-mails which i suspect show the nexsus between
the clinton foundation. the latest state filings are permeated with fraud. you haven't heard the end of the issue. i think hillary clinton would be stronger for having confronted this, for having softball debates in which these issues are not raised is not beneficial to her because you can bet these issues will be raised in the fall. >> that was my point. that was my point. listen, you get the final word, lanny, 30 seconds and i have to roll. >> i am laughing at pain not at you, mr. stone, i can only respect your opinion but i'm laughing at the notion that the false statement someone is under investigation, which is false, "the new york times" with drew that headline and the fact we're inferring anything with the use of fraud and words without facts is what republicans would say about white water for seven years after investigation ended up zero. so to your viewers, not one fact, not one fact under lies
what you just heard from roger stone. >> lanny davis and roger stone -- >> let's revisit -- let's revisit this after the fbi director recommends her indictment. >> speculation and wishful thinking isn't a fact, roger stone. you're a hatchet man republican -- >> can't we all just get along? thank you lanny, thank you roger. keep your tweets coming to me at smerconish. we'll get to the best later. a non-political cartoon meant to bring black and white students together threatens to pull a virginia town apart. be good. text mom. boys have been really good today. send. let's get mark his own cell phone. nice. brad could use a new bike. send. [google] message. you decide. they're your kids. why are you guys texting grandma? it was him. it was him. app-connect. from the newly redesigned volkswagen passat. right now you can get $1000
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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ so that's about a quarter of the video. the question is, should it be banned? joining me is a law professor at vanderbilt university and benjamin dixson. bi benjamin, should it be shown? >> absolutely. i can't imagine why it would be banned, just because we label it controversial doesn't take away from the fact that there are significant truths being spoken in the video. so absolutely it should be played. i don't understand why it would be banned. >> benjamin, i talked about this on my radio program on friday. and i had a number of calls from
african american whose said i wouldn't want my son or daughter in a close room where this was being shown because i worry that they would be ostracized. >> yeah, that's an interesting perspective. they don't want their children to face the fallout from the conversation like this but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have these types of convery stations. i think we do more apologizing in america for having conversations about race than we apologize for racism in america. so it's kind of an intentional obtuse time in america where you can be called racist or face backlash because you're unpacking problems actually true. there is nothing untrue in this vid video, so labeling it controversial really is just a means of silencing the conversation. >> carol, what do you think? should this be shown to school kids across the country? >> i'm never in favor of censorship or banning anything. my problem with the video is that it's very misleading, it's
dated. i would not want my children to be exposed to that video unless they were in a situation where you had a teacher that understood history and would be able to discuss the biases because it's clearly bias. there is no way you can attribute everything that happened in america tragic to one group of people. that's problematic. it presents all blacks as being poor or disadvantaged and whites as being privileged. we know that's not true. it also doesn't convey the fact that we have had a black president for the last eight years. we've had two black attorney generals, america is not the same as it was ten years ago, 20 years ago or 30 years ago. we've also had more than 40 years of affirmative action. we cannot attribute all of the problems of black people to white people or to america. >> so carol, let me give you the
perspective of a white guy that lives in say bush ya. i have four children and would be thrilled if my four children had seen a video like this if it were part of a large er conversation and i saidfy were an african american parent, would i be concerned they would look at this as an explanation or justification, i'll take the race metaphor, i'm in second place and therefore instead of striving for first place, i'm going to settle into that position. i hope i expressed that clearly, carol, respond to it. >> i mean, it's clearly a problem. it sends the wrong message to black children. it says you can't because there are all these barriers and road blocks and i don't believe that's true of america. i think if you work hard, you can still be successful in america. and it also presents a false image for whites. there are a lot of poor whites, and white men are not as privileged as they may have been at one point in history. there is new data to show that
middle-aged white men are dying at a faster rate than any other group and it's through suicide and stress caused factors but they are the ones now that have a death rate that's very unusual. >> benjamin, take my final 30 seconds and respond. >> i think we may be missing the mark simply because we think it's saying all black people and all white people. we actually look at averages in america and these are some average experiences that african americans face. i agree this video misses the mark because it casts an economic conversation about generational wealth and leaves it at the conversation about race. in fact, it would do gator service if it unpacted there are commonalities between poor white americans and poor black americans where we need to have a conversation about generational wealth, institutional factors that contribute to the fact that poor people born in poverty are more
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america and also said this. >> it's been noted often by pundits that the tone of our politics hasn't gotten better since i've been inaugurated, it's gotten worse. my few regrets is my inability to reduce the polarization and meanness in the politics. i was able to be part of that here and yet, couldn't translate it the way i wanted to to our politics in washington. >> among the president's solutions a constitutional amendment to set limits on donations, the professional drawing of congressional boundaries and increased voter participation. my two guests spend much of their professional lives studying this issue. larry cramer is the former dean of the stanford law school, now the president of the hewlett foundation. they have $9 billion in assets, they have added polarization to
the list of global problems they try and solve and dr. norman, the co-author of the seminole book on the subject, it's even worse than it seems. an update the version is due next month. larry, why is hewlett so concerned about polarization you're putting on a list of prover the i and climate change and education? >> well, you know, michael, it's pretty straightforward at the end of the day. government may not be the answer to all of the problems but it's absolutely an essential partner for some of them and, you know, none of us will solve problems we're working at unless we can get government able to act one way or the other and that includes people that want government to do less. whatever you want government to do, it's got to be able to act. >> norman, it hasn't always been like this. there is a graph i want to put on the screen that shows how the house republican haves moved in the last several years. it reminds me john in his
biography of george herbert walker bush noted when he was in congress, he voted 53% of the time with the johnson administration and when nixon came in, he voted 55% of the time with the nixon administration. what's changed in the last 30 or 40 years? >> well, certainly as you can see from the graph, we've had dramatic changes in the parties as we've lost the center. one of the things that president obama pointed out in his speech was that we've had a regional sorting out of our politics and the conservative democrats became republicans in the south. the moderate republicans became democrats in the northeast and the west coast. that's a part of it. i would broaden it out, michael, it's not just polarization. it's a combination right now, a toxic one of triable and populism. nobody trusts leaders of any sort. triable as in the people on the other side of the isle are not
just worthy but enemy when you have that atmosphere and george herbert walker bush became president, the chairman of the weighs and means committee worked together and collaborated and tried to solve problems. now if you do that, it's like sleeping with the enemy. >> what can change, larry, the president laid out some of his solutions. i know you're relatively pessimistic on whether it can change. what would be a step in the right direction? >> well, i'm not pessimistic on whether it can change. i think it can. it took us a long time to dig into the hole and will take time to dig out. there is institutional changes that have to take place. you know, i think one of the major, major contributors is not enough people turn out in the primary elections that pick the candidate. you get candidates picked at the extremes of the parties and that is a huge problem and almost doesn't matter whether the district is competitive at that point. campaign finance is absolutely a problem.
candidates are spending 70% of the time raising money they don't have time too govern or talk to each other or get to learn about the issues themselves and dependant on lobbyists and the things norm pointed out are correct. as a consequence of the fact they don't know each other and know how to work. we need to deal with the problems, you know, all of them either one at a time or all together but we definitely need to deal with them and if we do, i think it's certainly possible for politics to recover. >> norman, i think a lot of fault lies with the media, the president addressed this subject when he spoke in illinois this week. here is part of when he had to say. >> yeah. >> you've got a fractured media. some folks watch fox news. some folks read the "huffington post." and very often, what's profitable is the most sensational conflict and the sound bytes.
and we can choose our own facts. we don't have a common basis for what's true and what's not. i mean, if i listen to some of these conservative pundits, i wouldn't vote for me, either. i sound like a scary guy. >> too many are conflicting news gathering and entertainment. >> it's info tainment. the business models work if you scare people to death. >> right. >> you look at the shows and the commercials are about gold. why do you have gold commercials? people think the apocalypse is coming. it raises the point there are structural things we can do and some larry has talked about, some the president was talking about but it's a cultural problem, as much as anything else. we need to change structures to change culture, and we have a course culture now when you have
a presidential candidate that sores to the top by saying the foulest things imaginable, maybe he hasn't reached all of the seven but he's reaching there or moving in that direction. it's not very good. and i think if we can do one thing, what larry pointed out, enlarging the electorate at a time when we're fighting to keep voters from being suppressed, so we can keep more people engaged, it would help of a lot. >> 42% of americans told gallup in america, they are are i's, not r's or d's, which i take great comfort in. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, michael. up ahead, the best and worst of some of your tweets. how about this one? check it out. i know how it is. you're all set to book a flight using your airline credit card miles.
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