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conservative, justice antonin scalia is being remembered across the country. conservatives calling him a powerful force on the bench and memorializing the lasting memory he leaves behind. he died during a texas hunting retreat. he was 79. right now his body is at a funeral home in el paso, texas. the u.s. marshals service is helping to arrange for his body to be returned to mclean, virginia. while the cause is still under investigation, officials have no reason to suspect anything other than natural causes. as the nation reacts to scalia's unexpected death, the immediate question is what it will mean for the u.s. supreme court and the cases the justices are reviewing right now. it also opens up the opportunity for a liberal majority on the bench under president obama. democratic appointees have not held the majority in the high court for more than 40 years. let's talk more about this with
supreme court reporter ariana devoe and ron brownstein. can you first explain how the other justices will move forward until a replacement is appointed and confirmed. >> well, since there are only eight justices on the court, there could be some cases coming up that are equally divided, 4-4. what that means is in this case, in this term where we're hearing major cases, there could be uncertainty. the cases involve abortion, affirmative action. the president's programs on immigration, all of those are in play. and if the court ends up being evenly undecided, there's going to be uncertainty. the justices could hold off and not put down a decision right away but then the question is when they will get to these cases and when will they have nine justices on the supreme court. >> and of course, you know, it's
going to be difficult to see whether they will continue on or wait. you've heard mitch mcconnell who says he doesn't think the president should even nominate. don't even start the process. but the president was quick to respond saying he will appoint someone soon. this certainly does set the stage for an extraordinary battle, not just for the court and those cases but really for the relationship between the white house, capitol hill and the supreme court. >> yes. no. control of the supreme court has been important throughout the american history but the way our politics is evolving has made it even more important. we've only had unified control of the government in the past 12 of the 48 years has one party controlled the house, the white house and senate. and one of the things we're seeing as a response to that is presidents pushing the boundaries of executive power.
you see it from president obama on domestic issues like immigration and climate and an effort to push the absolute boundary of executive authority. it's hard for congress to stop a president when he or she does that. it is, however, possible for the courts to do it and the courts have done it regularly to both men. most recently, to president obama on his climate plan. who controls the court is even more and more important in an era where we have divided government and we see bipartisan legislation and more unilateral executive action. >> is that what it is really about, the accusations that the president has pushed the boundaries on executive power that he is what is setting the stage for mitch mcconnell to say, you know, we would prefer it if you don't nominate anyone? or was this going to happen anyway? >> well, i have no idea what is going to happen anyway. it's part of the underlying polarization and whether it's appropriate to leave the court deliberately with lack of a full
compliment of justices for 11 months. i mean, there is precedent for approving supreme court justices in an election year, most recently in 1998 when anthony kennedy was unanimously confirmed. also an example in 1968 when an attempt to elevate a justice was blocked. it would be an extraordinary -- it's an extraordinary statement for mcconnell to say off the bat regardless of who it is -- it's not clear politically that they can hold to that position all year. >> and quickly, ariane, isn't it an issue of time? the longest it's taken for confirmation was for clarence thomas and that was over 120 days. we have at least that in the 11 months or 10 months, which ever way you want to look at it. >> no. and the numbers out there usually is about 61 days between the confirmation and the final vote. but with the climate going on now, that's unclear. >> all right.
ariane de vogue and ron brownstein, thank you. appreciate it. in addition to his constitutional expertise and steadfast values, justice scalia was known for his impassioned personality and high energy. i want to talk to someone who knew justice scalia personally, his former law clerk, ed weiland. good to see you. >> thank you. >> president obama last night said that scalia had, quote, a brilliant legal mind with an energetic style and decisive wit and colorful opinions. tell us about your time as a clerk with justice scalia and what you observed about him. >> well, i certainly saw all those qualities in play during my one year of clerking for him. justice scalia is -- was a brilliant jurist and worked hard to get the answer right on each and every case. he demanded a lot of his clerks. he enjoyed vigorous argument.
and he was a brilliant writer. it's wonderful to see how he could turn very deaf phrases that were not just colorful but actually provided insight into exactly what he was saying and why his legal analysis was correct. so he was a master. law students will be reading his opinions for generations as long as american law is read and i think once we get beyond the political dispute of the moment, i think increasingly everyone will recognize his brilliance and wisdom. >> i'd like to ask you about the friendship that he had, particularly with ruth bader ginsburg. they called each other best buddies and the odd couple. was he the type of person to be able to kind of set aside his political ideologies for the sake of his relationships
because they are polar -- they are, you know, totally at different ends of ideological persuasions but then somehow they would come together. >> absolutely. i think you see that also with his friendship with justice kagan. look, justice scalia loved vigorous argument. he loved to have people contest him. he respected people who would engage him. he was fully capable of recognizing the good qualities of people with whom he disagreed on other things and i think you see that affability in his relationships. >> he was very unique. many have said, you know, he's one of a kind. but as the president either considers appointing someone, is it your hope that it would be someone of a similar persuasion, ideological approach to law? >> well, realistically, there's zero chance that this president would select anyone who is anything like a justice scalia.
that's why i fully support the statements by republican senators saying this is a matter -- this matter is so important it ought to be decided by the people in november when they elect the next president. here we have a possibility of the court being dramatically entrenched on the left for a generation by the happenstance of an untimely death. it's too important to leave to this president in his remaining months in office. there's zero chance that this president would nominate anyone who would be remotely like justice scalia. you would see second rights disappearing in a minute and first amendment property rights would be in peril. no president that this president could get it ride. >> ed whelan, thank you so much. names are already being thrown around as potential
replacements. joining me is sarah. among the names, who? >> well, we're see a couple of different choices. the top one that they are talking about is sri srinivasan. is he now a district appellate judge and was elected unanimously, 97-0. it would be easier for the white house to point to him and say, look, you recently confirmed him to the court and why was he okay for the district court but not the supreme court, another option that we're hearing talk about is jane kelly and she also was approved unanimously for an appellate court seat. she's also from the state of iowa originally which means that she has a relationship with senator grassley. he's the chairman of the senate judiciary committee. >> the president has said, you know, right now is the time to honor justice scalia but it is
likely to happen sooner rather than later. experts say it's enough time in which to confirm a nominee with ten months, roughly, since it was clarence thomas who had the longest confirmation process, 120 days. how do you suppose the timetable will impact the choice that the white house makes? >> it's fair to say that the white house is eager to have this fight. there are probably already people on the short list, as we mentioned, not necessarily 100% ready to go but people relatively vetted still need to go through the white house counsel's office and the department of justice. the white house is very eager to keep the president, part of the conversation and emergence of this battle over whether the senate will have a hearing for the nominee will allow them to be out front and center and calling them obstructionists if they don't hold the hearings and even if do, it's unlikely that
we'll see a person put through and the white house will be able to say, look, the republicans are obstructionists. we've put probably a kind of a middle of the road, a reasonable person, somebody that they can make a claim that falls under that category and they can say, look, democrats, this is why you need to get out to the polls. put in a democratic president to secede president obama. >> sarah wheaton, thank you. appreciate. reports of gunmen on the grounds of arkansas state university. we'll be right back. try the superior hold...
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about 20,000 students. the school is telling students to get to safe places. no shots have been fired and they have not located any suspects. joining me on the phone is law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. while everyone is being asked to stay in a safe place while that's happening, give us an idea of what you think campus security trying to find the gunmen and secure the campus. >> i think, fredricka, finding the gunmen is priority number one because it may not be a truthful report, it could be a hoax, it could be someone spotting plain-cloths police officers. we don't know if there are two armed men on this campus. so that's a problem. secondly, i wonder what is going on on that campus that needs to be locked down on a sunday
afternoon. are they having a basketball game, a sports event, a conference? who would be on that campus right now compared to a normal school day or school evening? but i think that trying to verify the story and trying to find the source of the report would be probably the very first priority. >> and parents who are hearing this, of course, their kids attend that school, some of them living on campus, what do they need to do with this kind of information given that it's very vague information and when you look at the website it says two men with weapons but then if you look at what they have sent out via twitter and then other reports, it goes so far as saying guns or weapon. so how do parents process this kind of information? >> i think it's very difficult to process when you have conflicting information and, you know, nothing more specific than that. you know, it's a campus area and
a surrounding town area, it's going to be a large area and by the time a report like that goes out, whoever was spotted could have driven off, could have walked away, could have gone into a building. so it creates a situation for the local residents and other people on the campus to really be in a difficult if not impossible situation. you know, do you go into hiding for the rest of the day, the rest of the week? what exactly can they really do at this point when you have no true description of who the people were supposedly carrying these weapons and in which direction they were going and what they appeared to be doing. so this is a very vague report and i think they are going to have a difficult time even confirming the authenticity of the report. >> all right. tom fuentes, thank you so much. we'll check back with you. all right. we'll be right back after this. . trust safelite. with safelite's exclusive "on my way text" you'll know exactly when we'll be there.
welcome back. this breaking news we continue to follow, students at arkansas state university are on lockdown after reports of at least two men carrying weapons on campus. the campus is located at jonesboro, arkansas, a campus of about 20,000 students. the school is telling students on its website to get to a safe
place. jonesboro police tell cnn no shots have been fired and they have not located any suspects. joining me right now on the phone is melanie bedner bale. i understand you're not on the campus right now but perhaps you can give me a layout of the campus. we were told by twitter and their website, saying that these two men with weapons were reported near the student union. so where is the student union in relation to i guess other common places areas of gathering for stfor students? >> well, that's the center of campus in that it contains the dining hall and it's very close to a lot of the dorms. university hall, which has a lot of the female freshmen in it, is one of the main dorms for younger students. very close to that and a senior level apparent-style dorms.
so pretty much close the main area of campus. >> on a sunday, what kind of traffic is there usually? >> well, it's just going to vary. a lot of kids go home but the freshmen tend to stay. so it's going to be a little bit heavier but with it being valentine's day, it's kind of questionable. but i would say the dining hall at this hour is going to be pretty busy if they are open at these hours on a holiday. it just kind of varies but a decent amount of students are there right now being that it's sunday afternoon. this is when a lot of people come back from visiting home. >> have you talked to any of your fellow students who might be on campus in their dorms expressing what they are feeling like, what they are thinking? >> well, fortunately, all of my friends are at home or on their way back from home today. so it's just a blessing for them that they are not there right now. but we've been kind of a shocked campus quite some time now since the other incident happened and it's really fresh wounds for a
lot of people. >> and would you describe this campus as one that is very open, meaning it's very accessible for people even if they don't necessarily attend the state university? >> oh, yes. oh, yes. as you come towards the student union, you can pretty much drive down the main road and get to the student union. it's almost like a circular drive from the front area so if you're touring asu or anything like that, you'll come through the circle drive and you can see straight into the student union. so if you just want to know -- it's a very easily accessible campus and then parking, of course, there's a parking garage. anybody that wants to ask pay to park. >> all right. melanie, thank you so much for your time. let us know if you hear anything further from your fellow students there on campus. and we'll be right back. dad, you can just drop me off right here. oh no, i'll take you up to the front of the school. that's where your friends are. seriously, it's, it's really fine. you don't want to be seen with your dad? no, it's..no..
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welcome back. justice scalia's death has caused debate last night. >> a moment of silence for justice scalia. >> reporter: it did not take long to get political in the republican primary presidential debate. >> i think it's up to mitch mcconnell and everybody else to stop it. it's called delay, delay, delay. >> reporter: one by one, the gop candidates paid homage to the conservative lion and said that to replace him would be unsuccessful. >> there's no doubt in my mind that barack obama will not have a consensus pick when he submits that person to the senate. >> reporter: but president obama is pushing forward, promising to nominate someone quickly and warning senate republicans not to play politics with the court. >> there will be plenty of time for me to do so and for the senate to fulfill its responsibility to give that person a fair hearing and a timely vote. these are responsibilities that i take seriously, as should
everyone. >> reporter: senate majority leader mitch mcconnell called on the president to wait and leave the decision in the, quote, hands of the voters and the winner of the race for the white house. rank and file republicans like lindsey graham said any obama nominee will have a tough time being confirmed. >> the practical consequences that no one will be appointed that's not a consensus choice. >> reporter: and as the president and senate leaders squabble, it will be against a backdrop of divisive presidential election. hillary clinton rushed to support obama's right to push the nominee and pushed the senate to confirm. >> it is outrageous that republicans in the senate and on the campaign trail have already pledged to block any replacement that president obama nominates. >> reporter: the republican candidates vowed to stand in the way and once elected to elect a conservative in the mold of
scalia. >> one of the most important decisions to make is who on this stage has the background, the principle, the character, the judgment and strength of resolve to nominate and confirm principled constitutionalists to the core. that's what i will do if i am president. >> reporter: setting the stage for a rocky few months in washington with the future of the supreme court and the white house in the ball. >> that was ryan nobles reporting. the battle lines are already being drawn in congress. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell wasting no time in saying that he wants president obama to wait on naming a replacement to bring it to whoever wins the next election saying, "the american people should have a voice in the selection of their next supreme court justice. therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a
new." ron brownstein and margaret hoover are joining me. good to see both of you. >> hi, fred. >> margaret, you first. mitch mcconnell says it's the american people who should have a vote in this. didn't they already do that by electing president obama? and in his four years, he has a right to appoint the supreme court justice if the opportunity arises. aren't we at that juncture? >> it seems that we are. mitch mcconnell didn't fire that tweet off quite quickly enough and several republicans are scratching their heads wondering what happens to the seven republican senate seats in states that president obama won in 2012. people like ron johnson, mark kirk, kelly ayotte in new hampshire, patrick toomey. a prolonged battle over a supreme court nominee because
the republican congress refuses or senate refuses to vote on a nomination would be setting the battle lines in a way i think that would fall quite unfavorably for republicans holding the senate. >> so then a lot at stake, ron. why wouldn't those on the campaign trail right now for the white house see that as well? >> well, because i think they feel like the base will demand, you know, absolute struggle against any opportunity for the president to make an appointment. you know, there's two separate issues confronting the republicans here. one is the one that margaret alluded to which is particularly in blue and purple states, will it look like an abdication of responsibility or partisan hostilities to blanketly consider any nominee. but the other issue is more subtle. if you look at polling now, republicans are in a better position on the economy and national security than they are on culture. right now there's a lot of americans who have mixed feeling
or questions. democrats do have a majority on the key cultural issues coming before the court in the years ahead, such as gay marriage and do republicans want the control of the court and the direction of public policy on cultural issues moved as front and center as it would have if this nomination is held up through the election year. >> and it is right now front and center particularly on the campaign trail, margaret. >> it is because of the passing of justice scalia and we saw all of the candidates pay homage to him last night. it shocks me that donald trump didn't take the opportunity to say that he would appoint justices in the mold of justice scalia like ted cruz. that could have taken care of a couple problem force him. but truly -- that was a joke. this really has reset the tables in terms of how the candidates are campaigning, what's going to happen, whether anything happens in the senate over the course of the next 300 days and
republicans just -- i hope they tread carefully because we have partisan brinkmanship does not serve us well when it comes to national elections and while we're in the middle of a primary right now, the failure to see forward and think about the general election could end up damaging whoever our nominee is. >> ron, while there is time, when you look at the calendar, there is time for an appointment and conceivably maybe even confirmation given the calendars that we're talking. do you think that also means that there is time, whether it be motorcycle itch mcconnell to their minds? >> look. i think it really will come down to those republican senators from a more swing states and whether they are willing to accept a blockade of any nominee. you know, just getting a vote on a nominee doesn't mean that the republican senate will approve
that nominee or there could be 60 votes to approve a filibuster. but the statement that we are not going to consider it, what is the cutoff date at which you say it's illegitimate for the sitting president to nominate someone to the court? in 1940, franklin roosevelt nominated a supreme court justice approved by the senate. so what is the date and on what basis are you choosing that date? by the way, real quick, fred, ted cruz supports a constitutional amendment to force supreme court justices to face a re-election. i wonder if he'll be asked that now in the wake of the vacancy. >> margaret hoover and ron brownstein, thank you. later on in the week, cnn will host two town halls in south carolina. all six republican candidates will participate.
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welcome back. george w. bush was not at last night's debate but listen to this heated exchange between marco rubio, donald trump and jeb bush. >> george w. bush enforced what the international community refused to do and kept us safe and i am forever grateful to what he did for us. >> how did he keep us safe in the world trade center? the world -- excuse me. i lost hundreds of friends. the world trade center came down during the reign -- he kept us safe? that is not safe, marco. that is not safe. >> the world trade center came
down because bill clinton did not kill osama bin laden when he had a chance to kill him. >> and george bush -- by the way, george bush had the chance, also, and he did not listen to the advice of his cia. >> all right. dr. carson, we have a -- >> can i just -- >> i'm not going to invite donald trump to the rally. i'm rescinding the invitation. i thought you might want to come, but i guess not. >> that rally that jeb bush was talking about is his brother george's campaign appearance in north charleston tomorrow. the former president will make his first public campaign appearance since leaving office for jeb on monday afternoon. let's talk about this with illinois congressman adam kinziger. good to see you. >> good to be here. thanks. >> this is the former president's first campaign appearance for his brother. why here and why now? >> well, look, south carolina
loves george w. bush. i think trump made a huge miscalculation last night. he was just bullying around and that's what he does normally. it's a great place for george bush to come out and support jeb. people are really excited. i think it's going to be fantastic opportunity for people to hear from president bush and talk about why jeb would be the next best president of the united states. >> this is a prelude of more to come? we saw jeb's mom, barbara bush, campaigning on his behalf in new hampshire and now his brother, george w. bush in charleston, south carolina. will we see more bushes in primary states and caucuses? >> you know, you may. i know president bush is a busy man. but, look, people love the bush
family and in republican circles, they are very popular. if you have these assets which is a great family name and a member of the family, it's great to use them. i think what's obvious when george w. come here and jeb's mom comes here and speak when she was in new hampshire, you see a positive vision and it's contrasted with what you saw last night on the stage from donald trump, his bully tactics, his third grade thin skin appeal where if somebody boos, he gets angry. it blew my mind that a man who thinks he can be president of the united states that has such thin skin that he can't take an audience member booing him. it's really unbelievable. >> you talk about the assets of george w. campaigning on behalf of jeb bush but was it a mistake in that at the beginning jeb bush seemed to work very hard at the start of his campaigning to distance himself from his brother, his brother's legacy
and really from the bush name by just having a slogan jeb? >> i think that was important to do. i think it was important for jeb to say, look, i have my own record. i know there's been a couple of bush presidents prior but i'm very well accomplished and i want to take that record and not just say what i've done but talk about how i want to lead people out of the difficulties that we find ourselves in today. and so he developed that. people see that jeb is his own guy and bring out the big guns. you have great folks related to you that did great things for this country and kept us safe after the greatest terrorist attack in this country's history. at least since pearl harbor and so bring them out. i think it's going to be a great day on monday. i think president bush is going to rally the troops here and we're going to win south carolina. we feel really good about it. >> thank you so much, congressman adam kinzinger. >> it's warm. thanks. >> yes, it is warm.
next, more information now on this breaking news. we have been telling you about this lockdown taking place at arkansas state university. well, now it has been lifted. no longer a threat. earlier the university security campus there -- campus security told people to stay in a safe place. now that lockdown is being lifted in jonesboro. much more straight ahead after this.
welcome back. the passing of u.s. supreme court justice antonin scalia sets up an interesting selection of his successor and the timetable of the election. there is an unwritten rule in the halls of the capitol. some call it the thurman rule. his namesake is on that and a rule that could be pointed to right now as a reason to delay the selection of a new justice until next year. joining me right no is attorney paige pate and cnn analyst paul callan. thurman gets his name on it and it's a practice that can be very commonly used on capitol hill. lawmakers will delay things but to delay a potential confirmation of an appointment
by the white house for months but for as much as a year? how unusual and precedented might that be? >> well, it is very unusual to see that level of delay except in one area and that area is the appointment of judges. we have seen historically have particularly during the obama administration with a republican congress that frequently opposes him on judicial appointments we have seen substantial delays in the appointment of judges across the united states. it's not going to surprise me at all if the republicans stall this appointment, given its importance. >> how disruptive is it to have a delay, which would mean on certain cases it would be a 4-4 ruling and then it would have to go to a lower court for a final ruling? >> the vast majority of cases it doesn't necessarily matter. many cases that go before the supreme court, they can get a
decision without going to all nine members. it is rarely a 5-4 split. but for those cases split 5-4, conservatives versus liberals we will have problems. either the case will go back and deter to what the court below them did or submit it for reargument once they have a replacement justice. >> what about the cases that justice scalia weighed in on? what does it doing if their progress. >> i have heard some constitutional scholars say it will mean they will send it back and affirm the lower court decision but other scholars and there's some precedence for this saying let's hold on to the case, wait until we get a new justice. we can reargue it. go back in to conference and make a decision. >> would it be of your thinking that any opinions justice scalia may have imposed on those cases
would be thrown out or still considered and picked up by whatever next justice could be this there to weigh in. >> mechanics are simple. you have to have a majority in order to win your position in the supreme court. if it was a 5-4 decision with scalia casting the fifth vote and now it becomes a 4-4 split, when there's a 4-4 split, normally the ruling of the lower court is upheld. that can cut both ways if it was a liberal ruling it will stay in place. fit was a conservative ruling by the lower court that will stay in place. to a certain extent, these decisions are going to go both ways. it's hard to predict in other words. his original vote will have no impact at all because if for some reason it gets kicked over to term with a new justice it would depend what kind of justice was appointed and that would be a liberal or
conservative, no way of knowing. the other thing i want to throw on the table, kennedy who, used to be put in the conservative line, has voted with the liberals almost 50% of the time in 5-4 decisions. i think you have three solid liberals and three solid conservatives and kennedy in the middle leaning liberal, it maybe a liberal court any way even before a presidential appointment. >> does it put pressure on the existing eight? >> absolutely. we have affirmative action, a death penalty case may work its way up to the court. there will be a lot of pressure. i think the court wants to move foreer ward. i think the people want to move forward. we have heard discussions about let the voters decide about the next supreme court justice but the constitution gives the authority to the president. i hope we will see an appointment.
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notoriously dangerous suburb just outside of mexico city. the pope is also visiting a children's hospital this afternoon. let's bring in cnn correspondent shasta darlington who was in mexico city for it. what's the significance of today's mass? >> well, to start with, it was surprisingly political. pope francis lashed out what what he called the temptations of health, fame and power. he got emotional when he told parishioners you can't dialogue with the devil because he always wins. but he was direct and said, you know, listen, we need to build a mexico of opportunity, not one that destroys young people in a reference to immigration and drug wars. take a listen to this. >> i want to invite you today, again, to be on the front line to be the first in all
initiatives that help make this blessed land of mexico a land of opportunities where there will be no need to emigrate in order to dream, no need to be exploited in order to work. >> his message certainly went down well with the people at the serm sermon. it is notoriously dangerous and poor. the pontiff's decision to go there ruffled more than a few feathers because he's shining a light on some of mexico's worst political and social problems. the people were tlild. no pontiff had been there before. hundreds of thousands turned out to line the papal route to try to catch a glimpse as he drove by. some even spent the night. >> what an incredible journey
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