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horrific situation is in syria and how those alliances are not alliances. how to get them all together. it just almost seems impossible as they continue to work this out. it's great to see you, nick, thanks so much. thank you, all, for joining us. for our international viewers, "amanpour" is coming up next. for viewers in north america, "newsroom" with poppy harlow starts now. all right, top of the hour, 2:00 p.m. eastern, i'm poppy harlow in for brooke baldwin. we're just hours away from the start of the nevada caucuses to select the republican nominee for president. the stakes are high but the suspension is likely even higher. will nevada play out as the polls show with donald trump earning a third win in a row, or will the silver state fulfill its reputation as a tough state to read, and deliver a surprise finish? certainly some of the candidates
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hoping for that surprise. what is certain at this point is the gop contenders are using these final hours to pick up as much support as they can. in moments, senator ted cruz and donald trump will speak live. we will bring you their remarks live as well. cnn national political reporter maev weston is near reno where trump is about to speak. polls have him ahead but the voters you're talking about say this battle is really for second place in their state. >> that's right, we've been traveling all over nevada over the last week, and honestly, of the many republican voters we've met, most of them are for trump. but what that's meant is there's been a brutal battle here for second place between marco rubio and ted cruz as we have seen plain out in other states as well. they've been traveling around the rural areas, trying to make that push for delegates, then
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going really hard at each other. >> certainly going after each other, maeve, but when you talk about sort of the, you know, hopes for a surprise here, how realistic do they think that is? >> i mean, it doesn't seem particularly realistic. this is an incredibly hard state to organize in. in iowa for example, caution state, people have been caucusing there forever. fairly new procedure here. so the campaigns like ted cruz and marco rubio's campaign have been trying to organize, do caucus trainings, to really pump out the turnout. if you think about turnout in 2012 here, interest was only 33,000 voters. that's 7% of republican voters. the strategists i talked to aren't expecting a much higher turnout, probably only about 40,000 people, so the best these campaigns can hope for, the rubio and cruz campaign, is that trump's people stay home. and from the enthusiasm we're seeing here, i don't necessarily
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think that's going to be the case. >> we'll see, trump about to speak live, we'll bring that to you. ted cruz also. maeve weston, thank you. today, trump had a stinging reaction for recent troubles for ted cruz. the senator firing his communications director last night for spreading a false start about their opponent, marco rubio. trump tweeting ted cruz does not have the right temperament to be president. take a lock at the way he totally panicked in firing his director of communications, bad. that tweet today from trump. that is not the only firestorm cruz is facing right now. he apparently has changed his mind about the use of deportation forces to deal with undocumented ingrants in this country. last month, he told our jake tapper he wasn't for, quote/unquote, boots going home to home but said something very different. >> i don't intend to send jack
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boots to knock on your door and every door in america. that's not how we enforce the law for any crime. >> mr. trump would look for that to get them out. would you do that if you were president? >> look, bill, of course you would, that's what i.c.e. exists for. we have law enforcement that looks for people who are violatingth law, that apprehends them and deports them. >> so you heard him with jake and then you heard him last night with bill o'reilly. moments ago, cruz said this about donald trump changing his position. listen. >> i frankly don't care what position donald decides to support today or tomorrow or the next day. they change every day. i don't care what they are. but pick one and defend it. and don't pretend whenever people suddenly point out what you say, oh, never mind. part of the reason someone vacillates from position to position to position is they're not starting from a core set of
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principles and beliefs. >> so he's accusing trump of changing positions. let's go through all of it. pastor daryl scott of cleveland's new spirit revival center. he supports donald trump. also, he's the author of "god and government, why christians must be involved in the political process." conservative blogger crystal heath is with me. she plans to caucus for senator ted cruz. and james pinnedal, political reporter for "the boston globe." thank you all for being here. krystal, let me begin with you, the viewers heard the change in position cruz has taken on deportation forces in this country. is that something you're going to bring up when you caucus for him tonight as a positive thing or are you concerned it's seen as a flip-flop? >> i honestly am not concerned it's seen as a flip-flop. i don't think it is a flip-flop. with his interview with tapper, he was asked about sending people door to door to round people up in a mass deportation effort, which isn't something he supported. what he talked about last night
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was he does support i.c.e. and enforcing the laws we already have. under president obama in 201 is, we deported people under i.c.e. it is not something new. it's just something that is part of our laws. that's how it's written into our laws. >> so it's really important we clarify here because yes, he did talk about i.c.e. in that interview with bill o'reilly last night. let me read you what he also said. he said cruz is going to send the feds to his house, put him out and put him on a plane back to ireland. talking about someone here illegally from ireland. cruz said, quote, you better believe it. so he was talking about going door to door last night. >> sure, but if you look at his response, he said that is what i.c.e. is for. he wasn't advocating creating
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some new avenue -- >> isn't that semantics? it's about who goes to the door? >> sure, i think you can say that, but i think that is what both trump and cruz have advoca advocated, is for i.c.e. to do its job and enforce the laws we already have. >> james, "the boston globe" today, your paper, granted, the editorial board to be fair, you're a reporter, they have endorsed john kasich. i want to read this to you. the highly qualified governor of ohio urged unenrolled voters -- what they did is they endorsed john kasich. they have supported what they call highly qualified governor of ohio urging unenrolled voters to cast a republican ballot for him instead of voting in the dimmic primary on the same day. they went on to write, each vote counts more so here than in some other states. one feature of the massachusetts republican primary is it's not a winner take all race. give us the context of this. you're coming to us from
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massachusetts. give us the context in which the editorial board wrote this and why right now? >> right, so the massachusetts primary is on super tuesday. therefore, it's next week, on tuesday. 1 of 11 states that votes. in massachusetts, like many other states, you can be a registered republican, a democrat or unenrolled or basically independent. in massachusetts, that growth of -- that share of those who are unenrolled has grown and glo grown. it's now the largest voting bloc. and while the democratic race here has been very heated. bernie sanders was just in the state for a couple stops just yesterday. with the globes editorial board, they're arguing that will not stop trump. this race, it's going to become more inevitable for trump. the question is whether or not in one place, in one state, can
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unenrolled or independent voters go along with the idea of stopping trump. the problem here is polling in every single state we've seen is these unenrolled or independent voters are going to trump. that whole argument the globe is pushing may not be actually happening in reality. >> there are many who say, pastor, to you, you're a trump supporter, if you're one who wants to stop trump, that train has taken off. i want you to listen to this. i want to play you some sound from trump talking about protesters last night, et cetera. let's roll it. >> i love the old days. you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? they'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. here's a guy, naecsty as hell, screaming when we're talking, and he's walking out, you know, the guards are very gentle with him, smiling, laughing. like to punch him in the face, i'll tell you. >> all right, so when you hear
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that, i know you're a supporter of trump. you're also a supporter of faith. >> what i don't support is the behavior of the protester. i think it's -- >> but i'm asking you -- we'll get to that in a moment. i want to ask you about the language of the man you're supporting to be commander in chief. do you support it? >> i'm not going to say i support him. it is what it is. those are trump's feelings. i can't determine how he feels. would i have handled it that way? i don't know, i wasn't in that situation. if i was trying to address a crowd at a meeting that i coordinated and i had someone that continued to try to disrupt what i was saying, that they came to my meeting with bad intent, then they would have to be dealt with. >> all right, james, to you. it's interesting, because you say, as all of us look towards super tuesday and the delegates that will be allotted, you say actually look past super
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tuesday, look to march 15th, why? >> so march 15th is the first time when you have winner take all states. that's when the real prizes are. there are huge states at play. by the way, this is the marco rubio argument. so you have states like florida and missouri and ohio and illinois and while up until then, including on super tuesday on march 1st, it's all proportional, winning does matter, there's no question about it, but you're splitting up the pie. when you start having 99 delegates like in the case of florida all going to one candidate, you not only have momentum behind the candidate, but you actually have raw delegates. this is all about of course is getting a enough delegates as possible to become that party's nominee. so basically this race could be over in 20 days. >> we'll see, it's certainly been anything but normal. we were talking, our team earlier, and found it fascinating as to why we're not seeing trump go after rubio
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harder. why do you think that is? >> well, first of all, here's what i find amusing. it's the fact that when trump first began his campaign, the national sentiment was that of amusement. it went from amusement to a concern to fear to panic. everyone's in a panic. now it's almost a national alert. we're going to have to start putting colors like are we at orange, amber? what alert are we at for trump's candidacy? the reason he's going after cruz more, in my opinion, cruz won the battle in iowa but the winner of that battle might have cost him the war because he damaged his credibility and he comes across as a liar and it's almost as if every time he opens his mouth or every time someone in this campaign engaged in a type of action, it further damaged him, so he's wounded. as a wounded lion, mr. trump is finishing him off. he's wounded.
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he's going to finish him off. he's just about done. rubio, he's next on the list. >> all right, krystal, you had said you would support any republican besides trump. what would it take for you to change your mind? >> well, honestly, i don't know if i can change my mind at this point. possibly if he picks a very conservative vice presidential candidate to run alongside him. that would be possible. but right now, i just don't see a path to that. i don't think that his record -- >> so would you set it out? >> i love the things that trump says but there's just not the history there, it just doesn't exist. >> if you don't like his vp choice and let's say he got the nomination quickly would you set out a general, would you not vote, or would you vote for the democrat? >> i would vote. i wouldn't probably vote for the president. or i would write someone in. everyone should always show up to vote, whether it's a primary caucus or general election. even if there's not a candidate
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on the election you want to support, there's other candidates there. that definitely need our consideration. so i would always show up to vote. whether or not i vote for trump, if he's the nominee, i don't think this is over yet, we've got a long way to go. but we'll see. we'll see. i'll keep you posted on that. >> okay, please do. krystal, thank you, james, and pastor, i appreciate the time. coming up, just before hillary clinton and bernie sanders face off in tonight's cnn town hall, spike lee revealing which candidate he is backing. hear why the director is telling voters to, quote, wake up. also, ben carson raising eyebrows for saying that president obama was, quote, raised white. we will speak live with carson on this show. also, president obama finally revealing his plan to close gitmo and the backlash erupts almost immediately. where he says the detainees would go once on american soil. >> this is what i think of the
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in just a few hours, hillary clinton and bernie sanders will speak directly to the voters of south carolina. tonight's cnn town hall event with both candidates. they're making their case to get those final votes. they're also locked in a major battle for celebrity endorsements with both courting hollywood heavyweights. clinton last night visiting the set of the tv hit "scandal." the show's star kerry washington uploading pictures together with clinton on twitter and instagram. with the hash tag i'm with her. bernie sanders with the endorsement of actor/director spike lee. >> wake up, south carolina, this is your dude, spike lee. i know you know the system is rigged. i'm officially endorsing my brother bernie sanders. bernie takes no money from corporations. which means he is not on the
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take. and when bernie gets in the white house, he will do the right thing. >> let's talk about celebrity endorsements. do they really matter or are they just fun for us in the media to talk about? joining me, chuck nice, comedian, host of the podcast nice advice, i like that. and also with us is bacari sellers, he is endorsing clinton. chuck, let's begin with you, this spike lee endorsement, in terms of bernie sanders, the thought would be, oh, can this help him with the minority vote, especially where he's way behind in getting the african-american vote in south carolina, does it help? >> no, i think it might help raise some awareness. it might help raise his visibility. but i don't think it helps influence somebody to say, oh, i'm now going to vote for bernie sanders. i feel the same thing happens on the other side no matter who it is. i think people suffer from
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confirmation bias when it comes to things like this. it is not that anyone is swayed one way or the other. what happens is when somebody says i endorse you, they say, see, i agree with that person, they're like me. >> they're famous. >> yeah, they're famous and they're like me. but i don't think it works the other way around. >> spike lee's wife, she sent out a tweet just a short time ago. just to be clear, while my husband supports bernie sanders, hillary clinton is my candidate. we need hillary to be the next potus. you don't have to agree on popos in the household. you were tweeting with kerry washington last night following what she sent out regarding, i am with her, regarding clinton. do you think celebrity endorsements matter when it comes down to voters? >> i think there are two different kinds of endorsements. they matter more than people give them credit for.
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you have an endorsement like congressman clyburn. they have apparatuses that can actually turn out the vote in respective areas. then you have these celebrities like katy perry, like spike lee, and oftentimes it's not the message, sometimes it's the messenger. what we're seeing is spike lee can go into different households, use different language, speak to different people. i'm a big fan of spike lee. i consider spike lee a fan and a friend. so i think that sometime also it's the messenger. when you have spike lie delivering your message, sometimes people's ears will perk up and people who would normally shut you out will now hear you. >> i think what i question is hillary clinton has a lot of female young famous women supporting her. demi lovato, there's a long list, lena dunham. yet she's struggling with the young vote. >> this is what i'm talking about because although those
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young women may be fans of lena dunham or fans of katy perry, they're not swayed by them. they're not going to change their politics. if anything, it may make them like that person less. it's like, wow, you don't agree with my politics, i really don't like you. when i go into a voting booth, i always think, what would kylie jenner do. >> bacari, i want you to one up that. who do you think about celebritywise when you go into the voting booth? >> well, i'm definitely watching whatever kanye west tweets right now, i'm waiting to see who kanye endorses. i think it's a close race between -- i think that we're missing the point a little bit because we're looking at a wide swath of people. i think that certain endorsements speak to certain people. for example, kerry washington is a great endorsement for hillary clinton because she speaks to african-american women. you have spike lee who is a
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great endorsement for bernie sanders because of the simple fact bernie sanders is having a hard time cracking into the african-american community so who better to go to than mr. do the right thing. i do think they do serve their purpose and we have to look at each group differently. we can't think as a monolith because we're not. >> absolutely, bacari sellers, chuck nice, kylie jenner, never going to forget that. thank you, both. tonight's final democratic town hall before the south carolina democratic primary is only right here on cnn. it all starts at 8:00 p.m., moderated by our very own chris cuomo. coming up next, delivering on a promise made seven years ago. listen. >> i have ordered the closing of the detention center at guantanamo bay and will seek swift and certain justice for captured terrorists. >> that was back in 2009. do you remember, right after he became president. well, today president obama outlined his plan to finally try
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to actually shut down gitmo. is it easier said than done? i think that's been made very clear. one republican senator already weighing in this way. >> this is what i think of the president's plan to send terrorists to the united states.
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throughout his presidency, barack obama has vow to shut down the prison at guantanamo bay in cuba and this morning he delivered that plan to congress.
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laying out how he plans to end this chapter of u.s. history. at this point, there are 91 detainees left at guantanamo bay. the plan involves sending some of them to other countries for those countries to watch over them. then moving the rest, those who cannot be transferred abroad because they have been deemed too dangerous, to prisons and dod facilities in the united states. in the announcement, the president anticipated a political fight. >> the stakes involved for our security, this plan deserves a fair hearing. even in an election year, we should be able to have a good faith dialogue about how best to ensure our national security. >> republicans in the campaign trail immediately chiming in. you'll hear from them in a moment. also kansas republican senator pat roberts reacted this way. >> this is what i think of the president's plan to send terrorists to the united states.
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>> joining me to talk more about this, a former dod official who wrote the memos authorizing enhanced interrogation under the bush administration. he also helped establish those who were labeled quote/unquote enemy combatants. he is now a law professor at berkeley. he's the editor of the innewly released book, "liberty's nemesis." also with us, karen greenberg, the director of the center on national security at university law school, also author of "the least worst place," con taguants first 100 days. karen, how likely is it that the president will be able to successfully push this through? >> it's hard to make a prediction -- >> it's been seven years. >> i think he's going to be able to do it. i think the timing is right.
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i think he can get certain people like john mccain on board who had asked for this plan to be submitted. i think he may be able to pull some kind of bipartis bipartisan coalition together. i do thing the declining numbers of detainees, which are now below 100 and could go below 50, and make a big difference in terms of bringing the detainees to the united states. so i think there's a possibility this could happen. i also think as he said today in his speech and repeated several times, he really wants this to happen. and whereas he might have put it aside for other reasons earlierness presidency, he seems to really -- >> -- bush before him wanted it closed. >> but he did not put the process in motion. bush did well, if you think about it. returned over 500 detainees to places around the globe. so he knew from the beginning that this was going to have to be withered down to a smaller number. >> all right, so john, to you, when you look at this plan being sort of one of the architects of, you know, what would enable
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people to be held there after 9/11, what do you see as the single biggest problem with the plan? >> i think it's dead on arrival in congress. you played the clip of senator roberts refusing to go along. i think the majority of the republicans and senate are not going to go along with it, not to mention in the house. and they've, as you know, have already passed a funding ban prohibiting any of the detainees from being brought into the united states. so president obama i think is a constitutional matter is free to send any of the detainees abroad to other countries, even though the defense department and the intelligence agencies feel about a third of them somehow go back into the fight in one way or the other. but i don't think he's going to be able to shut the prison down if he's got to bring those remaining 90 or 50 or whatever the last number is back into the united states where congress has prohibited all funds being used to support that process. >> what we do know is that three
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previously released gitmo detainees have gone on to join aqap. that's why they can't return those from yemen to yemen. that's the big concern right now. for americans sitting at home perhaps in one of the states where these detainees will be transferred, how concerned do you think they should be about radicalizing others, about rejoining the fight? >> we don't have any data on that of course because none of them have been brought back to the united states already but i'll remind you, one of the reasons this became such a big deal was because the administration wanted to bring the ringleader of the 9/11 attacks, khalid shaikh mohammed, to new york city for a trial and detain him in downtown new york city. and even if they were secured in the facility, you have to be worried terrorist groups are going to try to break them out, launch attacks around the facility. what community would want that in their neighborhood? whether there's a military base
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or secure prison or not. >> karen, to you, here's just one logistical, what seems to me like a big hang-up on all this, and that is the fact the u.s. military came to congress in january and said, you know, they are legally prevented from assisting in transferring them to prisons in the united states. because of the defense appropriation bill which bars them from doing so. which president obama signed. >> correct. >> big roadblock? >> it's been a roadblock for several years. it's been part of the national defense authorization act. president obama and this is something you might want to ask the professor about, could reserve the right at the end to exercise commander in chief powers. he may be able to. some people think he can do that. particularly people who defend commander in chief powers, as, professor, you have. want to address it issue of safety. the idea there would be some kind of terrorist attack against a trial, against a terrorist, a
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known terrorist, is not proven by anything, and it is disproven by the number of terrorism trials we've had in this country. not only have we tried people responsible for lethal attacks against american citizens around the world but we've had over 500 prosecutions of terrorists since 9/11, of suspected terrorists since 9/11, most of them convictions. they're serving time, many of them life sentences in colorado and other places, supermax and maximum security prisons. one of the points obama was trying to make today is there's a need for the federal courts to step back in here. so the idea that some kind of terrorist attack is going to be unleashed by terrorism prosecutions has not been proven out in anyway. and so it's not just -- it's not just something that we can perceive. the real reason new york politicians did not want the trial of khalid shaikh mohammed here had to do with shop owners in the area, as i understand it, who thought that their businesses would be hurt by the
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amount of presence of security forces and that's a little different than saying there was a fear of a terrorist attack. >> let me get john back in here. i want you to react to that and ask you about this, in terms of someone who helps formalize the language around enemy combatants and et cetera. last week we heard trump at this campaign event in south carolina. when he was asked about water boarding, he referred to it as, quote, sort of the least form of torture or the, quote, minimal form. he suggested that the u.s. should and can go beyond water boarding, use other methods of terror. and he said in that response, quote, torture works. the evidence doesn't point to that. i mean, as you know, when you look at interrogation evidence, it shows that nontorture-based interrogation often proves more effective in getting accurate information. what do you make of trump's comments? >> well, poppy, let me respond to your question first and then this commander in chief power issue second. i think trump's wrong on this.
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i think he -- if you look at his campaign statements, he's not interested in interrogation methods for the reason that we were in the bush administration. which was in the first few months after the 9/11 attacks, we had a huge need for intelligence to try to prevent more attacks on the united states and our allies and our forces abroad. when trump talks about interrogation or water boarding, as a form of punishment or revenge, which i don't think is the purpose of it. i don't think -- i agree with you, if that's the point of it, it's not going to work. and the united states shouldn't do it. it should only be used i think in rare circumstances like those we had in the months after 9/11. in response to your earlier question. i think the president has broad commander in chief authority. i think -- i don't think there are many people who think that he has more power than i think he does. but the one principle in american history and our constitution is that the congress has the power of the
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purse. and no president i think has the power to just take money out of the treasury and use it how he sees fit. the only president who ever did that was abraham lincoln at the start of the civil war when congress wasn't in session and president obama's not president lincoln and this is the last year of his presidency is not the start of the civil war. there's no emergency that would require any president to have to break that fundamental constitutional principle. i'm surprised to hear critics of the bush administration suddenly running around, embrace the commander in chief power to do things which i think they heavily criticized him for doing when he was in office. >> john, you have to leave it there. but i appreciate you both being on. we'll keep talking about this because it is not over. thank you very much. coming up next, gop presidential candidate ben carson says that president obama was, quote, raised white and just doesn't understand african-americans like he can.
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elected. but i also recognize his experience and my experience are night and day different. he didn't grow up like i grew up by any stretch of the imagine nation, not even close. he's an african-american as opposed to an african-american. >> he's an african-american. he was, you know, raised white. many of his formative years were spent in indonesia. so for him to, you know, claim that, you know, he identifies with the experience of black americans i think is a bit of a stretch. >> all right, that's what carson told politico in a podcast interview last night. president obama is biracial. he was born in the u.s. he lived in indonesia for four years from age 6 to age 10 just to clarify what carson said. his comments have a lot of people talk. i want to bring in cnn political commentator moore house college professor mark lamont hill to talk about it.
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what did you think when you heard this, when you read it? >> i said wow, ben carson must be really low in the polls. this is a conversation starter that will get him some much needed attention but i'm not sure he hit the nail on the head here. it's a very complex conversation. first of all, he is right that president obama had a set of experiences that are very different than those of ben carson's but most people had a set experiences that are different than carson and obama. there's no singular way to be black. black looks a lot of different way ways. someone who didn't come out the tradition of coming from slaves in africa differ, absolutely, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know what it means to be black. the subtext of ben carson's comments were he doesn't understand blackness and ben carson if he wins would really be the first black president and that part i think is strongly out of step with what most people think. >> i thought one other thing that stood out from this interview is when carson said, i'm going to quote here, he said, i think the way i am
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treated, you know, by the left is racism. he said he didn't feel any racism from anyone in his own party but he feels it from quote/unquote progressives or from the left. i know that you lean left politically. do you think he has a point there? what do you make of that? >> he certainly is the target of some criticism. ironically, sometimes people will say ben cars be's not really black because he's a republican so i find it -- he always balks at that. the fact that people question his blackness because he's a republican -- >> -- what he was referring to -- >> so it's, right, it's ironic he's questioning someone's blackness. president obama was raised by a white person. that doesn't mean he was raised white any more than the fact he was raised by a woman means he was raised as a woman, right. it's possible for a white person to raise a black child. it happens all the time. to answer your question, of course there's a lot of unfair criticism from people against black conservatives. i don't think every black conservative is an uncle tom. i don't think any of them are
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uncle toms because they're kr s conservatives. sometimes conservatives get that unfair label, absolutely correct. but carson is ignoring the fact that obama gets treated black when he walks down the street. if he were not president of the united states, he would be treated by law enforcement as if he were black. that the hate and the animus and the racism he received while he's running for president, while he's been in the office is because he's black. he may not be black to ben cars be but he's black to most people. >> mark lamont hill, wish we had more time, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. and gop presidential candidate dr. ben carson will join me live at the top of the next hour. make sure you stay with us for that. we'll talk to him about those comments, find out more of what he meant and obviously talk to him about the big day in nevada. also, at any moment, donald trump will speak liveness final rally before people in nevada go to caucus. will he continue his attacks is
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the motive in the deadly shooting spree in kalamazoo michigan remains a mystery today. the suspect, 45-year-old jason dalton, has been denied bail and officials say that dalton told them that he, quote, took people's lives. a gun shop owner also now has told cnn that dalt be bought a heavy duty jacket from his store that can hold a pistol just hours before the killing spree. while authorities investigate a motive, questions remain about a mysterious phone call that dalton allegedly took while driving an uber customer the night of the killings. that passenger also said he thinks dalton may have switched vehicles. >> we got about a mile from my house and he received a
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baldwin. competing rallies from trump and cruz. trump in sparks, nevada, cruz in the town of minden. tonight, the nevada republican caucuses. will donald trump bring home a third in a row win for the republican nomination? or will we see an upset surprise? let's get straight to our correspondents in nevada. with the cruz camp in minden. maeve, we begin with you. trump by awe accounts expected to have a big night. what we know about nevada, two things. low turnout typically in these caucuses. also, the polling is not great. >> not great, but definitely feeling like trump country out here in nevada. we know donald trump is trying to turn out his supporters. saying at the last couple of rallies, all these big rallies he's having aren't worth anything if people don't show up to caucus. it is such a quirky system that it's difficult to figure out
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who's going to turn out. he also has been really going after ted cruz with some of his harshest language yet in las vegas calling cruz thick and saying he's not getting evangelical voters because he's running a dishonest campaign. we're expecting to hear more on that from trump here in sparks since he tries to make his final pitch to voters in nevada. >> you've got ted cruz and trump going head to head to head. you know ted cruz is trying to get last minute support, momentum. he'd like to see another finish like iowa. what's he doing? >> he's really having a multistop day. he has a series of four events today. later tonight with his wife trying to shore up some last-minute votes there. a big part of his messages that been responding to trump. as maeve said, those point blank accusations he is thick and a
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liar. cruz responded to trump today and really launched his most direct attack on trump's character, saying it shows he lacks core principles. here's a little wbit of of what cruz said earlier today. >> i don't care what position donald decides to support today or tomorrow or the next day, they change every day. i don't care what they are. but pick one and defend it and don't pretend whenever people suddenly point out what you said, oh, never mind. and look, part of the reason someone vacillates from position to position to position is they're not starting from a core set of principles and beliefs. >> trump is also fighting this multifront battle with marco rubio who's been arguing here in nevada he is the electable candidate as the alternative to trump. conservatives should coalesce behind his candidacy.
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the cruz campaign is really starting to push this message today through surrogates. telling voters point blank don't let anyone tell you ted cruz is not electable, poppy. >> it all starts tonight, we'll have live coverage throughout, with the best political team in television. thank you both. we are, as we said, just about six hours away from the start of the nevada republican caucuses. dr. ben carson, one of the presidential hopefuls left in the gop field, that has been winnowing down, hoping to get those votes tonight. he joins me from las vegas. thank you for being here, sir. >> a pleasure. >> let's talk about the numbers so far. yes, there are many delegates and many states still to go. you finished fourth in iowa, sixth in south carolina. the latest has you with 7% of the support nationally. how do you turn this around? >> well, hopefully what we will start doing now, the number of
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candidates is smaller, is actually look at the issues. actually talk about the solutions and not make it a personality contest. i think that will help quite a bit. you know, just being able to focus on the real problems, rather than get iting people in arguments all the time. >> how does it, doctor, significantly change, when you have all, you know, most of the headlines are right now trump versus cruz, you know, who's lying, who's telling the truth, et cetera. how does that get to the issues? >> well, obviously, it's going to have to be we the people would change the issues. that's not ever going to happen with the media. you know, they want to sell headlines, they're not -- >> that's what the candidates are talking about, sir, they're pointing fingers -- >> no, that's what the candidates are asked about. they're always asked about the controversy. you know, it's like the ancient roman, in the coliseum. everybody wants to go and see the blood and the gore, nobody
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is paying attention to the fact that rome is burning. >> you say to get back to the issues but you said this during an interview. let's play it. >> like most americans, i was proud we broke the color barrier when he was elected. but i also recognize his experience and my experience are night and day different. not even close. he is an african american as opposed to an african-american. >> an african american. he was, you know, raised white. many of his formative years were spent in indonesia. so for him to, you know, claim he identifies with the experience of black americans i think is a bit of a stretch. >> so you say, sir, talk about the issues, yet you spend a good portion of the interview talking
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about president obama's race. why is that? >> well, i would say go back and read the whole interview. that wasn't very much of it -- >> i did read it -- >> and politico did put the whole thing out there so you can see that that's a relatively small portion of it. but here's the real key, you know, america, many people in america, are still very uncomfortable when it comes to issues of race. and, you know, i once again cross the pc barrier. i don't think anybody would deny that someone who is raised in hawaii by his white grandparents, and then spent formative years in indonesia with his white mother, does not have the typical black experience. if anybody can explain to me how that's the typical black experience, i stand corrected. >> the president lived in indonesia from age 6 to age 10. when you said that he was raised white, can you walk us through, what does that mean? how should people understand
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that? >> well that doesn't mean anything bad. it's only the pc police have tried to interpret that as something bad -- >> so what does that mean? >> i'm going to tell you. his cultural experience is vastly different from that of the black people in america. does it mean it's worse? no. people are raised in different cultures. and they have different culture experiences. >> what did you experience growing up as a black man in detroit? what did you experience that is different from the president? because it seems like you're juxtaposing the two and that's fair so walk me through it. >> well, that would take a very, very long time. but the fact of the matter is, you know, i grew up in detroit and i grew up in boston. and boston, you know, we lived in the ghetto. there were a lot of violent episodes there. there were rats, there were
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roaches, it was dire poverty. i had a mother who worked starting at 5:00 in the morning, getting home after midnight, going from job to job to job. she didn't like the idea of being on welfare. most people said you got two boys, you can be on aid to dependent children. she didn't want to do that. now let me contrast that to the president who went to private schools, grew up in a relatively affluent environment. i had an opportunity to live in multiple cultures in different countries. i think that's a very different experience. >> why not criticize president obama on his policy, on merits -- >> i wasn't criticizing him, see -- excuse me, but that's you guys in the news media who are trying to make it into a fight. i'm just stating the obvious facts. >> let me reframe it this way then. that's how many people interpret
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it, i will tell you, dr. carson, but why then speak about the president in terms of race and how he was raised and not on policy and merits? because this isn't a candidate you're running against and this comes on the eve of the nevada caucuses. how does this help you get more support? >> i'm talking about the facts. what we were talking about is i said i was proud of the fact that the color barrier had been broken, but there's a difference in breaking the color barrier in somebody who's had the typical experience versus somebody who has not. for you and the rest of the media to try to pretent like just because your skin is the same color, it means you've all grown up in the same way doesn't make any sense. i'm pointing that fact out. you're not supposed to point that fact out because it makes people uncomfortable. therefore the pc police come down on you. i will fight them tooth and nail on this. i will tell you that anybody
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who's sensible knows that the way he was brought up is very different than the way most black people in this country are brought up. >> are you saying then if you were elected president, you would be the first truly african-american -- >> that was you guys -- >> i'm asking -- that's why i'm asking you -- >> i never said that. >> i'm ask you -- >> no. >> do you believe the headlines that said that this morning? >> i believe all the emphasis on race is way overblown, and i think -- i think this conversation is contributing to it. i think this is a nothing burger myself. >> i want to turn to a major headline, the president's plans to close guantanamo bay. let's listen to what he said earlier. >> with this plan we have the opportunity finally to eliminate a terrorist propaganda tool. enhance our national security. and most importantly uphold the values that define us as americans. i'm absolutely committed to closing the detention facility at guantanamo.
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>> this is something that he pledged to do, you'll remember, sir, back in 2009. seven years later, he's presenting it to congress. not just him, i mean, his predecessor, president george w. bush, wanted to close guantanamo. what would you do as president? >> well, you'd have to look at, you know, what are the benefits and what are the costs. now, they're saying that because it costs 400-plus million a year to keep open that it's not worth doing. but you have to also ask yourself where do we have that we can take these prisoners of war? we're involved in a long-term war here. this is not something that's going to tis appeiadisappear. we need to have a place to take people. we need a place to derive information from them that would be beneficial to us in terms of our safety. i'm not seeing what the alternative is quite frankly. so until we have a better alternative, i certainly would not close it.
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i want to hear the explanations on how we're going to derive that information. he's assuming that the next president will want to do the things that he does them, which is to kill the opposition rather than to capture the opposition and derive important information that can help us to protect ourselves. >> to the president's claim that not only is it extraordinarily expensive but to his claim as he spoke about today that it helps recruit terrorists, that it is one of the things that drives terrorists against this country. are you concerned about that? do you agree with him that it is used as a recruitment tool? >> no. i think what used as a recruitment tool frequently is money. people should go to my website bencarson.com and read about ways to tap down terrorism. one of the ways is you shut down their monetary channels because they go after the disaffected members of society from all over the world and they're able to
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improve their standard of living with money. that's their recruitment tool, not guantanamo bay. >> so ted cruz came out obviously. he lambasted the president for this announcement as did marco rubio, as did a number of competitors on the gop side. ted cruz said, i'm paraphrasing here, basically we should put more people in here, and how do you look families in the face that had their loved ones taken from them and keep it open? i'm interested specifically in what you would do as president. would you bring more suspected terrorists there? >> i don't think we need to raise the tenor of discord here. what we need to say is what alternative do we have to this when we capture these terrorists? if somebody has a good alternative, i would be all ears. i would be wanting to listen.
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i don't think we have to make this into an ideological argument. we need to ask ourselves what are we trying to accomplish and what is the best way to do that. and sit down and talk about it. that's what i would do. >> you don't agree to the president's plan to send some of those detainees over to other countries such as dod facilities in the u.s., that's not a plan you accept. >> well just remember, for the ones that we have sent to other countries, a third of them at least seem to end up back on the battlefield, threatening our security. so that obviously is not the correct way to do it. we need to be looking at evidence. when you make decisions based on ideology and not on evidence, they inevitably turn out wrong. >> the numbers we have, three former gitmo detainees who were sent back to yemen then went on to join aqap. but moving on, want to get your
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take on this. last week at a campaign event in south carolina donald trump was asked about water boarding and he referred to it as, quote, sort of the least form of torture or, quote, the minimal form. he went on to address the united states should perhaps go beyond water boarding, use other methods terror, and he said at the end of his remarks, quote, torture works. do you agree with mr. trump on that? >> i believe there are a number of ways to extract information. including, you know, some medical ways of, you know, putting people into a less than conscious state which allows information to be extracted much more humanely. >> what do you mean sir by medical ways? >> well, the average person might understand it as truth serum. but, you know, there are ways where you decrease a person's
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conscious defenses and they might be much more willing to give up information. >> what is that? >> excuse me? >> what is truth serum? what is that? >> sodium anetol. there are a variety of different things we can use. >> is donald trump right when he talks about water boarding being the minimal form of torture and perhaps we should go beyond it? should we go beyond it? >> well, it's not really about donald trump. it's about how do we protect the american people. what methods do we use. i think we use what we need to use to protect the american people and i don't think we need to be broadcasting what we do. >> you very publicly had a campaign shake-up. you replaced your campaign manager. as you sit back and look at that, do you think it's helped you, has hurt the campaign? >> it has helped me tremendously, no question about it. you know, we had people who really didn't seem to understand finances or maybe they did,
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maybe they were doing it on purpose, but obviously things have improved tremendously since that time and the morale is better. yes, it was a tremendous benefit to us. >> as we talk about the map and the map that lies ahead after nevada tonight. what is your path forward look like, dr. carson? what states are you banking on, what states can you win? >> i am banking on the american people recognizing that it is we the people which will be the only thing that will change the course that we're on. doesn't matter whether democrats or republicans -- >> which state -- >> listen carefully what i'm saying. all states. all states where there are people. i think there's a possibility the people begin to recognize they're being manipulated by the political class who want to
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control the narrative and want to control -- >> do you think that's giving enough credit to the voter to say they're being man nip lapted by the political class and media that they're not thinking on their own? >> i know that's an attempt to try to get them on your side but i think they're smarter than that and i think they're going to see through it. they have to recognize and we all have to recognize. we the people, the reason people are so angry and the reason people are moving toward trump and sanders is because they're angry. when people make decisions out of anger, you make different decisions. i believe people are going to actually look at the policies people are putting forth and the solutions to the things that are creating the anger. that's going to solve the problem for us. >> i'm out of time doctor carson but i appreciate the time,
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coming on to talk to us. good luck tonight in nevada. thank you. next, donald trump is speaking life, he's about to take the podium. also ted cruz taking the podium as well. both in nevada, ahead of the caucuses tonight, making that last-minute pitch to voters. ahead of tonight. also, cruz reversing his position about sending agents door to door to hunt down undocumented immigrants. will this help him? will this hurt him in nevada tonight? and president obama finally revealing his plan to try to close gitmo where he says the detainees would go once some of them arrive on american soil and the swift backlash that has erupted over his proposal. >> this is what i think of the president's plan to send terrorists to the united states. ( melodic, calm music ) hi this is conor. sorry i missed you. i'm either away from my desk or on another call.
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the nevada republican caucus is just hours away. it all kicks off tonight there. the hostility continues to build between gop rivals ted cruz and trump. here to discuss it, cnn chief political analyst ghloria borge. thank you, ladies, for being with me. ted cruz clearly changing his position on deporting undocumented immigrants from this country from his interview a few weeks ago with jake tapper back in january to what he said last night with o'reilly on fox. listen. >> i don't intend to send jack boots to knock on your door and every door in america. that's not how we enforce the law for any crime. >> mr. trump would look for them to get them out. would you do that if you were president? >> of course you would. that's what i.c.e. exists for. we have law enforcement who
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looks for people who are viol e violating the laws. >> what do you think, gloria? was it a calculated decision to change his position now on the eve of nevada when things are getting so contentious? is it going to be effective? is it going to help him get the trump supporters? >> they say this isn't a change of position, poppy. >> it is if you look at the words. >> what the difference is here, is that donald trump wants a deportation force. >> okay. >> and ted cruz is trying to thread this needle, right. what he's saying is -- he doesn't call for a deportation force but what he says is the federal government is already doing this, right, and he would want to enhance it seems to me what the government already does. what cruz is trying to do politically here is differentiate himself not only from trump, right, who is to his right and calling for deportation force, but also differentiate himself from marco
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rubio. marco rubio, he says, is for quote/unquote amnesty, right? so he's to the right of marco rubio. so was this calculated? everything is calculated at this point in a campaign. does it get him anything? probably not. >> so eliana, i'm interested if you think, does he get anything? it's kind of threading the needle here because he was asked about a hypothetical situation by bill o'reilly last night. he said, would you, for example, an immigrant who's here up documented illegally from ireland, with, quote, a couple kids, settled in on long island would you take him out and put him on a plane to ireland and cruz said you better believe it. hold that thought, let's listen in to donald trump speaking live in nevada. >> -- fired his director of communications, who i always felt was a decent guy. he's taking orders from cruz, folks, i mean, give me a break.
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and, you know, he didn't report he had big loans with goldman sachs, it was citi bank. a and, you know, he's going to tell those banks what to do. he's going to be -- believe me, folks. got two loans for $1 million. and he didn't put them down. he didn't disclose the loans, okay. no, think of it, and you would love to pay the interest rate. he had very favorable -- they call it very favorable. how about like he's playing practically no interest. i know why he doesn't want that disclosed. we all know. but you got to be honest. you got to be honest. and we'll see. i mean, look, is that a correct statement? so we have to be careful. i think we're going to win. i shouldn't say this because i know we're going to do well there. i've been to texas many times. they have so many friends in texas. mark cuban actually calls us the
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dallas mavericks arena and he gave it to us and by monday you had to see that place, 20,000 people, it was the most incredible evening. we've had 20,000 all the time. we had by far the biggest room. the press won't show it. the press won't show these few people back here right. the press -- no, no. the press isn't going to show this. the press isn't going to show that corner. they are the most -- they are the most dishonest. no, they're really dishonest people. they are disgusting, i tell you. no, they're the most dishonest. they're probably worse than cruz. but not much. it's sort of funny how they tell you what to do, like they're great, like they know. "the new york times" is -- forget it, i call it the failing
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"new york times." they buy a building, and they have a building in new york. they sell it for $125 million or so. right? couple of years -- few years later, guy sells it for $525 million. and then they tell you what to do. they buy "the boston globe" for $1.3 billion. they sell it for $1. then they write an editorial where they tell you how to run your life. give me a break. and actually if you think of it, i know why i get bad treatment in new york, because it's owned by mexico. i don't know if you know. a rich guy in mexico. >> all right, donald trump talking about the media there. we're going to keep monitoring it. at the top of that, to you, he did talk about ted cruz and it is really a back and forth battle. it leaves some people asking why isn't he going after rubio harder? >> i think trump sees cruz as his primary adversary right now and it's hurting cruz.
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he's getting hammered on one side from trump calling him dishonest and on the other side from marco rubio calling him dishonest. i think that really showed up in the exit polls from south carolina where a full 33% of voters told pollsters that they thought ted cruz was running most untrustworthy campaign. that was second only to donald trump. i don't think marco rubio should get so comfortable because if ted cruz bows out of the race, he will set his sights on marco rubio and start hurling the same insults at him. >> gloria, ohio, a state not exactly around the corner, but what we saw today is the polling there. despite kasich having a 77% approval rating as governor there, right, and banking on that state, the latest poll from quinnipiac shows that trump is beating him in his own state. >> ouch, right. i think that it's by a handful
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of points. and i think that kasich needs to win ohio just like rubio would potentially need to win florida, right? these are their home states. you don't want to lose in your home state. he's the sitting governor of the state of ohio. and i think trump, trump has been up in the polls in a lot of states all over the country. i think kasich has to play a little catch-up there. again, it's early. we have to see what kasich's momentum is if there is any going into the state of ohio. i really do see it as a mutt win for him. >> you know, it's interesting, iliana, cnn's been reporting there are these major republican donors who intend in the next few days to privately urge kasich to drop out. that's according to a big bundler for the gop. kasich was asked about that by wolf blitzer yesterday and he said i haven't heard of any of the special interests to get me to drop out been there's concern
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the field is still too big to get sort of clear numbers here in terms of who could potentially really take on trump. right, look, john kasich has no path to the nomination. to say ohio is a must win state presumes he has a path to the nomination which he doesn't. the reason he's getting leaned on to get out, the only reason he could be in this race, is because he thinks it could be a contested convention, which would make sense. he's getting leaned on to get out because he's taking a share of vote that would go to other people. also, increasing chatter one of these candidates should outright offer him a spotten toikt which is another reason he could still be in this, to try to exert some leverage and force himself on the ticket as vice president. i think you'll hear increasing chatter about why kasich is still in the race and what he wants, either a spot on the ticket or whether he so firmly believes it's going to be a contested convention that it's no reason to drop out. >> kasich said, as you know gloria in the past interview, he
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is, quote, his own man, and that no interest in being a bp. >> right, he told me that. >> it was your great interview, gloria. >> it was. he said he'd be the worst vice president in history so we have that on the record. i was talking to somebody who's a friend of kasich's yesterday. and he said to me, look, gloria, when you talk to john kasich, you understand what this isn't so much a campaign as it is a mission or a crusade for him. so people who may be calling him and saying, you know, you want to think this over, maybe you don't have a path, and there is no clear path, his answer is are you kidding me, tell me what rubio's path is who's never won anything, right? so he said what's the difference between me and rubio. so i don't think you're -- republicans are going to get very far with kasich on that front. >> yeah, all right. go read gloria's great interview with him. i knew it was from a fabulous interview.
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gloria, thank you very much. iliania, thank you very much. we'll bring you back to listen to trump right after this. if i want to go up... hello. or if i want to go down... no. but then if i want to come back again... yes. it's perfect. my favorite part is to be able to lift your legs up a little bit and it feels like i'm just cradled. (vo) change your sleep, change your life, change to tempur-pedic.
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all right, we want to take you back to sparks, nevada, now, where donald trump is speaking live ahead of tonight's caucuses. let's listen in. >> and we are going to build a wall. it's going to be a very tall wall. much taller than this very low season, believe me. it's going to be a wall that if you get up there, you're not going to want to come down. it's going to be like, can you send a crane to get this poor gentleman down.
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and we're going to stop drugs and we're going to stop all of the problems that are pouring into our country. and the pope was terrific but he heard one side of the story. the following day, he could not have been nicer. but he heard from mexico. who i respect. they're smarter than our leader. if you call him a leader. he calls iran. he said, i spoke with the supreme leader. give me a break, the supreme leader. he's not the supreme leader for us, i can tell you that. but if you look at it, we have a wall, it's going to be a great wall, and it's going to work. if you look at the kind of damage being done to this country between the crime and the drugs that are pouring in. and the economic development. there because they're taking jobs. when we need extra people, we'll work it out. they go in, they come back. we're going to make our industry
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stronger, better than ever. we're lowering taxes for businesses. we're going to make us -- you know, we pay the highest taxes in the world. pfizer's leaving our country now because the taxes are so high. >> there you have it, donald trump speaking in, sparks, nevada. of course we have full coverage tonight of the nevada caucuses. we'll keep monitoring donald trump. also expecting ted cruz to speak shortly in nevada. coming i, just before hillary clinton and bernie sanders face off in tonight's cnn democratic town hall, spike lee revealing which candidate he is backing. hear why the actor/director is telling voters to, quote, wake up. people when they thought they should start saving for retirement. then we asked some older people when they actually did start saving. this gap between when we should start saving and when we actually do is one of the reasons why too many of us aren't prepared for retirement. just start as early as you can. it's going to pay off in the future. if we all start saving a little more today,
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in just a few hours, hillary clinton and bernie sanders will make their case to voters in south carolina and to you during cnn's town hall that is tonight. it could be a pivotal moment for both of them. it comes off a win for clinton in nevada as she tries to build momentum in the south and push on towards super tuesday. for sanders, he's trying to turn the tide, attract more african-american voters. he's sharpening his attacks on clinton. and complaining she is now complaining using his messages. let's go straight to jeff zeleny. he's at the site of the town hall tonight. what can we expect? >> i think we can expect a dynamic showing from both candidates. bernie sanders sent out an e-mail to his vast list of supports. it says, it's no exaggeration to say this is the most important stretch of our campaign. sounds pretty obvious, right, but he is trying to gain back the momentum that they lost by losing nevada, particularly in
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this delegate fight. as these campaigns stretch out, it does become a delegate fight and the clinton campaign is winning slightly in pledge delegates. the campaign is trying to send the message, look, we're very much in this. we're seeing sanders increase the volume of his criticism and attacks on her, but so much so today when he was in virginia, the crowd started booing her. he had this to say. let's take a listen. >> this is what we are up against. let me give you an example. one of the areas where my point, secretary clinton and i, have a strong disagreement. no, no, no, no, no. [ booing ] no, no, no, i respect clinton, we can have differences. >> so he was trying to sort of halt some of his supporters from booing there, but i can tell you, i was at his nevada speech
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when he lost the nevada caucuses. the crowd was burning so loudly. that is the dynamic of this party. the democratic party is divided and split. regardless of who wins the nomination, that's one question here, will they be able to come together. but secretary clinton also wants to sort of keep her foot going straight ahead on the gas here and keep defining bernie sanders and stay in this position. she has a commanding presence here in south carolina. so she'll be looking for a strong win here on saturday. bernie sanders wants to look ahead to super tuesday. >> yeah, absolutely. but you know what i love about these town halls, we're going to have another one tonight, jeff, is the fact you get to learn about the candidate personally much more about them and not just the debate style. we'll be watching 8:00 tonight. jeff zeleny, thank you so much. coming up next, the strongest statement yet from the majority leader that he will not allow a vote on any nominee from
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there will be no confirmation hearings on the supreme court nominee put forward by president obama, this according to the top republican leaders on the senate judiciary committee. republican majority leader senator mitch mcconnell making the announcement after today. he made it very, very, very clear, there is no getting around this the way he sees it. >> there really is not, poppy. the most aggressive position the republicans have taken since the vacancy was created, spawned by justice scalia's death. republicans said there will be no hearings and no votes in the senate. truly unprecedented move. since 1955, which is modern era of when confirmation hearings took place, no nominee has been denied a hearingan unless voluntarily withdrawn. president obama is moving
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forward with the nominee. not only are the republicans not going to hold hearings but they won't meet with the nominee. i asked senator mcconnell and senator john cornyn, number two republican, if they would actually meet with the nominee. they said they would not. we're in an elections year, voters should have a chance to decide, not a lame duck president, not the current senate. they want to put it right into the electorate. it's a risky move but believe in will pay off in the middle of the tense race not only the white house but senate candidates as well. republicans have a tenuous hold on the majority but this will be a huge issue for them rallying both bases to decide who can -- who will be the next supreme court nominee. >> if any of the senators running for election will be held responsible by their constituents if they won't even hold a hearing. thank you. next, switching gears to a very, very important topic, what we learned about new cases of
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the cdc says it is looking into reports of new cases of the zika virus that may have been sexually transmitted. there have been 14 new reports of possible infectionans several cases are among pregnant women, who as you know are most at risk. two involve women who could have only contracted the virus from their partners who returned from infected areas, cdc's guidance calls for people at risk to practice abstinence or protected sex, because of the new danger. the agency stresses there is no evidence that women can transmit the zika virus to their sexual partners and that the most likely way to become infected is from the mosquito carrying the virus.
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we'll keep you posted on that. that will do it for me this afternoon. "the lead" with jake tapper begins right now. thanks, poppy. time for republicans to show their cards in state that knows all about high stakes, "the lead" starts right now. it is decision day for republicans in nevada, things are getting intense with donald trump saying he'd like to punch a protester in the face, and marco rubio saying we're running out of time. it's no time for patience. the democrat side, spike lee telling voters, do the right thing, get behind bernie sanders. could he help crack the bond between hillary clinton and black voters with four days to go until south carolina and one week until super tuesday? one of his biggest unfulfilled campaign promises, president obama giving plans to

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