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hi everyone. top of the hour. i'm poppy harlow in today for brooke brooke. we begin with break news in the partisan battle to replace the late supreme court justice antonin scalia. despite republican leadership promising they will not consider anyone the president puts forth, cnn now just getting word that the white house is vetting a republican to potentially fill the vacant seat. his name brian sandoval. he is the republican governor of nevada. let's talk about it with the man who broke the news cnn political reporter manu raju. also with us for analysis paul
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callan will be with us in a minute. and constitutional attorney paige paid. manu this comes at an interesting time. a day when the gloves came off in the fight. mitch mcconnell said there won't be a hearing, he will not meet with any nominee until the mex president takes office. how did this happen. >> sandoval is a former federal judge. he is popular in his home state of nevada. he had been viewed as a possible supreme court nominee for a while. but it's unclear how seriously he is being considered. he stopped by harry reid's office, the senate minority leader a nevada democrat on monday, and the two actually discussed the issue of being vetted. that was part of their discussion. i had a chance to talk to harry reid about brian sandoval just a while ago and he had some interesting things to say about the prospects of him as a nominee for the supreme court. >> he has been mentioned as a
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possible supreme court justice. do you think -- >> well i don't pick the justices. but i know if he were picked i would support the man. he is a good person. he hags a great record. he has been a tremendously good governor. in spite of having to deal with some very big problems there. >> do you advise the white house the pick a moderate republican that could divide the republican party or to pick a democratic. >> i talked to the president, and his adviser i talked to his political guide, and he should pick who he thinks is the best. >> reporter: now, reed says that the president is actually going to make a decision soon. we don't actually know when that's going to happen. clearly sandoval is one person they are thinking about. it is an interesting choice if he goes this routd route. it would divide republicans. but what would it do to the democratic base given he is a moderate republican and not a progressive? i just talked to republican senators and they are not
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willing to consider him. deb fischer of nebraska told me it is a not about the person it's about the president and the voters having a choice this november. >> a few things i find interesting about this pick if this is indeed the pick. we certainly don't know, and let's remember josh earnest said this week there is no short list. they are just going through them. but this is someone who was unanimously confirmed by the senate after being brought up by former president george bush 2005, unanimously confirmed by the senate for a district court judgeship, which shows you sort of a support on both sides. this is also someone, right, who is pro choice but not -- but opposed to late term abortion manu, one of the biggest cases that is about to be heard in front of the high court. >> that's what's going to be challenging for him going forward support for abortion rights. actually san val had long be viewed as a possible vice presidential pick for the republican but because of his support for abortion rights that
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put him in a difficult spot. that shows the challenge for the white house here in picking someone like this someone who has views that could anger both sides. he abhors late term abortion but supports abortion rights. at the end of the day, if this nominee is not confirmed, what will that do for the elections? >> if it does not bring out the democratic barracks maybe it's not the right choice for the white house. >> right, and what does it do for the down ticket race for senators if they are not willing to meet for someone who is republican being nom mated. manu stay with us. paige to you. i want your read on this as a constitutional lawyer. what you make of it. if he does become the nominee what happens. why the president wouldn't try to float a name that floats more to the left. what do you think? >> i think it's going to be impossible for a truly progressive nominee to get past the senate. i think that's clear. i think the white house has made a good decision here if they do
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make this decision and put governor san val's name forward. because it really forces the hand of the gop folks in the senate. i mean if they have unanimously confirmed this individual before for a federal judicial position -- and they have -- what is their objection to his qualifications at this point? or is it purely political? obviously the supreme court is a higher court than a district court so it's an important selection. and you want to take time to vet him and to view it from the senate side. but to out of hand reject the idea of even considering and confirming a nominee, it's really disturbing especially to lawyers what practice before the court who know that coming up this term we have several hot button issues and we need a full court because some of these cases are going to be #-4 split. and you need that ninth vote. i think it's a good idea. >> right. and let's remember when it is a 4-4 split in the situation we're in now the lower court's ruling is what stands putting certainly a lot of pressure on the lower court. >> right. >> and obviously, you need a
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full bench. we do have our paul callan who is here with me. i want to have him weigh in on well on this pick. we were on the air when the news broke that antonin scalia had died and you were with me. there were a bunch of names being floated, sri srinivasan also unanimously confirmed. it's the first i'm hearing of this name brian sandoval. >> it's also the first i'm hearing of the name brian sandoval. it is a classic idea to go for someone with a political back ground. many governors have served on the supreme court. matter of fact each a president of the united states was once subsequently named as a supreme court justice. but by going with an elected political figure you have the possibility here of someone who maybe would have broader support than an unknown judge who might be a great scholar but unknown ott public. and remember in the end this is going to be a battles between the executive of the congress and public pressure to support
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the nominee will be the most important thing. so i'm not surprised that he has gone with what will be described undoubtedly as a moderate governor to be appointed to the seat. >> and manu to you, just your take on -- we haven't heard from mcconnell yet, right, his reaction? just wondering if this changes what he said today about not even meeting with someone who is nominated. >> absolutely not. republicans just came out of a lunch they had, and they talked about this issue. i'm told they are dead set against any nominee, including if it's brian sandoval a republican governor. this will not change mitch mcconnell's calculation, no nominee will be confirmed this year. that's not going to look very good for him. but who knows, this could be a trial balloon, maybe the white house goes in a different direction. right now it is an interesting prospect and something at least
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they are considering. >> absolutely. manu raju all over the news break it for us this hour. shaunk. paul callan paige thank you. stay with us. i want to go to politics now. on this stage tomorrow night, donald trump's rivals get their best shot at reaching a huge number of potential voters during what may be the most critical point so far in this wild election season. cnn's republican presidential debate is the last one before super tuesday. that is in five days when 11 states have republican primares or caucuses. you see them there on your screen. and derailing donald trump is looking as tough as ever after he won by a long shot in nevada notching his third consecutive victory. trump won by his biggest margin so far, just a hair less than 46% of people siding with him.
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in fact more people voted for trump tuesday night than, get this than who voted entirely in the 2012 nevada caucuses. let me say that again. more people voted for donald trump last night than all the people who voted in the nevada caucuses in 2012. that is stunning. and at really any moment now the man you see in third place is about to get a much-needed boost to his campaign. we've learned that texas governor greg ab sought about to endorse ted cruz. let's turn now to phil mattingly. he is following the trump campaign in virginia beach. we know he just spoke to a crowd at regent university. what was his main point today? >> his main point was that victory last night poppy as you just noted was sweeping across every voter subset across every voter subgroup. obviously the cnn debate tomorrow night will be a being moment for any candidate trying to take him down. but it looks like donald trump
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is so confident at this point he is willing to look at the democratic candidates. take a listen. >> i go around and i meet with grads. and we have tremendous grads. far bigger be that bernie. bernie is heading down now. bernie looks like he is over. and looks like hill satisfactory going to be protected from the e-mail scandal by the democrats. can you believe it? so many people for doing much less than she did are in prison and just you know devastated. no. think of it. think of it. for doing less than she did. and she looks like she's just gonna be -- you know she is going around boy did you every see anybody so nice to the president, though? oh, the president is wonderful, she says. oh the president,'s great. he wants to do this. that's wonderful. whatever he wants. do you know why she's doing that? right? do you know why? i know why. boy oh, boy, she's become like a marshmallow. >> like a marshmallow. an interesting critique of hillary clinton's strategy.
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look poppy as donald trump looks at the democratic competitors, the potential people he would face a lot of the questions left for the rest of the republican field right now, how do they stop him and when do they make the move. marco rubio and ted cruz feeling the urgency now. i think you are going the see that at the cnn debate tomorrow night. >> that debate hosted by our own wolf blitzer. coming up up next a lot of politics who donald trump says he would consider as a running malt. it might surprise you, the criteria someone who is an outsider. also the senate's democratic leader revealing who he is backing in the race for president. just making that endorsement. the person he says is best for the party. and we are moments away for another major endorsement for ted cruz. his staffer says the senator has hit a boiling point and is about to hit donald trump hard. will this endorsement help? keep it right here. i took mucinex dm for my phlegmy cough. yeah...but what about mike?
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today he spoke to students at regent university. nothing was off limits. he took shots at hillary clinton. he took shots at his rival ted cruz. and he touched on everything from obama care to israel. he was even asked if he could fine forgiveness. and he was asked about a vice presidential nominee from one of his rivals in the process. >> i can forgive. i'm pretty good at that. i do have every once in a while somebody that went too far and i won't like it you've been hearing what i've been saying over the last few weeks. and things that were said that were lice. i won't mention. i can't mention it in pat's presence. i've got to be a good person at least for the next hour. >> what are the most important qualities you are going to look for in a vice presidential candidate? feel free to name some names. >> the main quality that you want is somebody that can be a
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good president if something happens to you. that's got to be -- don't you think that's got to be number one. >> exactly right. >> and then i would want somebody who could help me with government. most likely that would be a political person. i'm business and very good at what i do and all of that. and i'm also very, very political. you've seen me -- when you can get zoning on the west side of manhattan to build almost 6,000 units of housing and you have to go through new york city politics believe me that's as tough -- i don't say israel, palestine, but it's about as tough a deal -- it's about as tough a deal. i view that as the single toughest deal. anybody can make that deal -- and we're going to give it a shot. >> a lot to talk about. here with me anna navarro and donald ferguson and tara grant. tara we heard donald trump saying looking at, quote, unquote, a political person as potential vice president. this coming from the ultimate
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outsider. what do you think? >> i think he is right on the money with this one. i think with him being a great business man having the background -- it's much like he said, if somebody happens to him then of course you want someone who knows the world of politics. you want someone who knows the world of washington, d.c. i agree 110%. i would love for him to choose a marco rubio kind of guy. but you know we'll see what happens. good for him. >> ben, when you look at the numbers from last night, more than nine out of ten caucus goers in nevada said they are, quote, unquote angry or dissatisfied about the way the federal government is working. >> yeah. >> we saw them run to donald trump. i'm interested in why trump is the only candidate who seems to be benefitting from that anger. because you know yes,s' the outside ir. but you also have a ted cruz who can't get along with anyone in washington who also would consider himself an outsider from the process as it is typically.
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what do you make of it? >> i think it's two things. one, i think it's media attention, and donald trump has been able to control the attention of this campaign now from months on end. and the other issue flat out people like to choose a winner. if you feel that the momentum is on the side of a certain candidate, you are willing to jump in for him and get excited about him a lot easier than other candidates that fall behind. and most people don't understand, you know the election map, you know, and how that works. and when it comes to the math behind. it's just where were you hot the week before? south carolina is a long way away from nevada. but when it comes to tv it might as well be right next door to you because that's what people are focus on. so i think he is riding that momentum right now. i think he has been able to have the anger and be seen the most on tv with it. and i think that's the reason why he had such a big win last night. >> another number that obviously stood out to a lot of us is the latino vote. granted it was only 9% in terms
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of the 75,000 people who went out to caucus. but look who got so much of it. donald trump got the latino vote last night. and the two latino candidates marco rubio, and ted cruz were not even close. why? >> well, i think you are right to put it in context. we're probably talking about i don't know somewhere in the range of 700 votes. >> no it's 9% of 75,000. so it's around 5,000, 6,000. >> let's -- latinos make up about 9% of the republican electorate and he got about 40% of that. so i think it's less than the number you just cited. but look -- >> right, so about half. good point. >> regardless of the math which i can tell you i'm not good at which is why i went to law school. you know there were two latinos on the ballot. >> yeah. >> one of whom, marco rubio, lived in nevada. was raised there part of his childhood. and it is amazing that donald trump was able to appeal to
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latinos. but i think what we are seeing time and time again with different groups whether latinos, women, whether you are talking evangelicals, is that no group is one homogeneous blog that engages in group think. there are very angry people who happen for evangelicals who happen to be hispanics, who happen to be women and are voting on that rather than on one single issue or demographic trend. >> showing up and caucuses. oosh lee we don't see numbers like this. we talked about how shocking the numbers were of how many people showed up to caucus. we've seen massive turnout. and if you are a first-time voter, there's something in this -- many of them something is inspiring you. one it's the anger and frustration at washington. and two the person you are seeing on tv that seems to be as mad as you are the most is donald trump. and that's the reason why he has continued the success. >> tara you want to get in there? >> i absolutely do. as a trump supporter, we have
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been called angry by the media. and i just did this same thing. it's not the fact that we walk around being angry people. it's not the fact that the fact we walk around being uneducated people. we are very educated and some of the smartest folks that i know didn't get a college degree. the fact of the matter is we finally have a voice. we have been a silent majority for so long in this country, donald trump is giving us a voice. we are not standing out in the street poppy, streaming at the top of our lungs that we're miss pissed off and we're not going to take it anymore. we are simply saying washington needs a choke hold on sit he have. -- on it set. et cetera a out of control. >> tara let me follow that up with this question for you. donald trump in morning on gm america was pressed by george stephanopoulos to give more specifics on how he would do all of these things he has laid out, like build a wall, like fight isis, et cetera like what he
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would replace obama care with. and we haven't heard a lot of those specifics. does that bother you as a trump supporter? >> no it does not. i'll tell you why. i think for the last seven years. >> it should. >> everyone has detailed exactly what we're doing. we have given isis a game plan of what we're doing. we have given everyone coming into this country illegally a game plan of what we're doing. why -- what makes it relative to everyone else what our politicians are doing 110%? why do we have to be transparent 110% to the point that it is actually -- it's actually hurting our country as a nation. so i don't think that he's wrong with saying this is what we're going to do. this is -- this is what we want to do. but i'm not going to give you a game plan and lay it all out so you can -- >> you are not helping the enemy. you are not helping the enemy by saying that you are going to
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build a wall and telling how you are going to pay for of the. that is absurd to act as if somehow he cap -- literally you are telling me to vote for a candidate in donald trump that actually is specifically and purposely hiding the facts of what his policies are because he is going to do a trick on pem. >> i want to get anna in here. i want to get anna in here. i think what she's saying is she trusts the man. >> absolutely. >> well, look poppy. i would say this. you know those of us who oppose donald trump who don't think he is qualified to be president think it's absurd he is not giving policy specifics. those who support him think his game plan is logical not to give the specifics and show his hand. no matter how much we argue about it on tv or how much we argue about it around the kitchen table neither we nor they are going to change their minds. >> yeah. there is nothing donald trump
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can say right now to lose his supporters. but i can 'em promise you ask i would be asking him a lot of specifics about his plans because i think that's his biggest weakness in this campaign. >> it hasn't hurt him up to this point. i do want to get your take on the breaking news anna the fact that the white house is according to our manu raju vetting the republican governor of nevada brian sandoval as a potential supreme court nominee to replace scalia by president obama. anna first to you for your thoughts. >> i've got to tell you i think it is a stroke of gene yous by the white house. i don't know if it is a leak. i don't know if it is a verified leak. but i will say that you know i think it is just a masterful stroke in the politics -- in the game of political chess. and i think republicans need to hold their fire. i think they need to stick to their position that there will not be any hearings. but if brian sandoval -- if --
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if -- and when is nominated then it's an entirely different ball game and republicans should not, you know cut off their nose to sfooit spite their face. i would tell you that i'd rather brian sandoval than anybody a potential hillary clinton could nominate. >> i would say this. i don't buy this for a sec honestly that this is who this is the nominee is going to be. i think this is flat output out there this name to bait republicans into saying they would support them. and then when they put their real name out there they can say well hold on a second you said you would support this person and you no you don't like this person so you are going to stop it not going to have a hearing on this? i think if you are a republican right now, congressman, senator, if you are an elected official i wouldn't comment on this because i think it's nothing but a bait and switch to try to get the republicans on the record saying this one would be acceptable and then they will give you the real name. >> by the way when it comes to the supreme court it makes all the sense in the world for the
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scrutiny, the critiques, the vetting to be person specific not procedure specific. if it is brian sandoval it would be an enormous surprise. >> all right, i have to leave it there. >> to see this coming out of an incredibly partisan president. >> i have to leave it there. ben, anna thank you. tara grant, thank you so much. >> thanks. >> everyone have a great time at the debate. coming up next the push for the palmetto state. today a major endorsement, senate minority leader harry reid announcing who he will support in this race. we'll tell you who that is next. also ted cruz holding a rally right now. also how his campaign responded to its third place finish in nevada. and a big endorsement for cruz. say with us. next.
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i have got to tell you, today is one of the greatest honors of my life. you know i think back to november 2002 when i got on a plane and flew to austin, texas to interview for a job with the newly elected attorney general of texas, greg atman. we didn't know each other. and i was all of 31 years old and had no business at all even interviewing for the job much less doing the job. and i sat down and had a long,
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long interview that i thought went pretty well. i didn't know. and i left, and a couple of weeks later heidi and i are with our family early in the morning, and i get a phone call that i was offered the job, that i was going to be appointed the solicitor general of the state of texas. now let me share a little personal background. heidi and i were both in d.c. serving in the bush administration. heidi very kindly when i asked should i put my name in for this she said absolutely sweetheart definitely. she didn't think there was a chance on earth i would get the job. she thought it was the easiest thing -- >> all right. ted cruz getting the endorsement of his home state's governor, governor greg abbott. he just got that endorsement, the governor introduced him.
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ted cruz speaking live we'll continue monitoring that. we are live at the event. talk to me how much this endorsement matters. there is a lot of talk in this election cycle that these endorsements aren't what they were? >> that's right but this for ted cruz is a key endorse men, especially for him and his campaign right now. governor abbott is a republican governor of one of the biggest states of the nation. that goes a long way. also going forward, you know he is very high-profile most certainly will be used as a surrogate for the campaign going forward. and his endorsement is the highest profile endorsement the cruz campaign has received so far. that goes a long way. also don't discount the boost of momentum this has the potential to give ted cruz on the ground here in texas sick days before super tuesday. of course texas is a part of super tuesday. very clear that senator cruz is feeling very good as you hear the crowd and him speaking behind me.
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he said this is one of the greatest honors of his life. very jubilant. a much different tone than last night in las vegas, a more some better tone coming out of his third place finish in nevada. poppy. >> no question. a big deal to lock this in in texas, a must-win for him on super tuesday. coming up next, the senate's democratic leader harry reid revealing who he is backing in the race for president. hear the candidate he says is best for the entire party. also hillary clinton right now speaking at a sorority luncheon in south carolina trying to lock in that critical women's vote. we'll take you live there next.
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just days before the south carolina democratic primary hillary clinton picking up a major endorsement this afternoon from the senate minority leader harry reid backing her, also saying she is the right candidate to be the first female president. listen. >> i think the middle class would be better served by hillary. i think that my work with her over the years has been something that i've looked upon with awe. when she was the first lady, she started the trend toward doing something about health care. she understood the issue well. she was the front on health care during that administration. i also think that she's the woman to be the first president of the united states that's a female. >> let's talk more about this with susan paige, u.s.a. today washington bureau chief, thank you for being with me. >> great to be with you. >> your reaction to him getting behind her and specifically what he said to manu. >> this is a real scoop.
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congratulations to the cnn for that. we had no idea that he would endorse. this is a sign for the republican establishment saying we don't want to have an extended contest here. we're going to line up behind hillary clinton. harry reid has good relations with bernie sanders. historically they have been -- although bernie sanders hasn't technically been a democrat he has been a part of the caucus. democrats now are looking at this race and the republican race and seeing donald trump on a path to wib the nomination. they don't want a democratic contest that is going on and on and all the way to the convention if the republicans are on a path to wrap up their nomination battle much sooner than we thought they might. >> right. well that's a good point, juks posting it with that. during the town hall last night hosted by our chris cuomo hillary clinton and bernie sanders both spoke about this call that sanders has made for clinton to release those fripts
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from the paid speeches she has made especially from front of wall street banks. listen. >> i am very happy to release all of my paid speeches to wall street. here it is chris. there ain't none. i don't do that. i don't get -- i don't get speaker's fees from goldman sachs. it's not there. so i'm happy to do my best in releasing any of the speeches. won't be very shocking. >> will you agree to release these transcripts? they have become an issue. >> sure if everybody does it, and that includes the republicans. because we know they have made a lot of speeches. but look what is this about? this is about whether i have the best plan to go after wall street whether i have a record that already demonstrates my willingness to take on wall street and financial interests. and there's no question about that. i did it before the '08 crash. i have done it since. in this campaign i have been absolutely clear. and a lot of people have said i have the most effective
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comprehensive plan to make sure that wrooel wall street never wrecks main street again. >> it's interesting because you have sort of seen her evolve on this issue. she's also saying even though my competitor is asking for it i want all the republicans to do the same. what do you think? does this really resonate with voters. >> you know this is one of bernie sanders's best issues. it's an issue that keeps on giving to portray her as being captured by wall street taking lots of money from wall street at a time when the concern about income inequality. i think this is his most damaging issue with hillary clinton. and she is playing defense saying if the republicans put out their transcripts i'll put out mine. i don't think that's defensible. i think before this campaign is over she will be forced to put out those transcripts.
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>> what else she said she pointed to president obama who she has been embracing much more closely, and said look,t president obama got the most in terms of financial contributions to his campaign in 2008 than pretty much anyone else. i think perhaps mitt romney topped him. and she said look he has been the hardest on wall street and wall street reform. she has a point there. >> yeah well, that's true. and look at the change in time from then. that was in 2008. barack obama was running for that nomination at a time before the crash of the financial markets, before americans saw their own financial underpinnings brushed aside under the great recession, and before we saw this incredibly growing concern about income inequality. i'm not sure the situations in 2008 and 2016 are analogous. again, this is really playing -- she is playing more effective dchs on this issue than she was before but she is still on defense. >> interesting point. susan paige nice to have you on.
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>> thank you. more on our breaking news next. president obama right now in the white house vetting a republican. you heard it right. a republican. you see him right there. the governor of nevada. potentially as a replacement for justice scalia's empty seat on the nation's highest court. despite republicans vowing not to even consider who the president picks this. fight erupting. and it's taking a brand-new turn right now. that's next.
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hillary clinton heavily courting young african-american female voters right now in south carolina. this in final days before saturday's democratic primary there. she is addressing the oldest black sorority in the country. listen. >> i've been traveling around our country speaking about how we can knock down barriers all the barriers that hold americans back. including the barrier of systemic racism. i've emphasized that any view of
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black america that focuses exclusively as the press sometimes has a tendency to do on crime or poverty or other challenges is really missing the big picture. it's missing this event. it's missing the rise of the african-american middle class. it's missing the vibrantsy of the black church. and it's definitely missing the power, strength and sacredness of black sisterhood. >> let's talk about all of this with jay newton small washington correspondent for time. also the author of a brand-new book broad influence how women are changing the way america works. i love that title. congratulations on the book. let's get to the numbers here. you saw clinton lose 82% of the young female vote in new hampshire to sanders. he got 82% of the young female
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vote there. you just wrote this article in time perfect timing titled the speech hillary clinton should give to youngen women. you just heard a minute of it. what's your reaction? is this the way you want to hear her speaking if you are a clinton supporter? >> certainly there is a distinction between african-american young women and millenials millenials. she is indeed talking a little bit about, you know what i mentioned in the article for time. and that is talking about sisterhood talking a little bit about her history. she was talking earlier on about her roots from the community and the women she has known and the activism she has done. that's what i have always argued she needs to do. most millenial women weren't alive when she was working in the 1980s. most millenial women didn't know
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that women couldn't wear pants until she wore pants in the white house. just to talk about her experiences and connect the dots about why she would represent them better and why she would be a good president to represent. >> there is a famous statement about wemt's rights that hillary clinton made back in 1995. it was in beijing of the it's very short, to the point. but it has stuck with her throughout. let's play that. >> women's rights are human rights once and for all. >> one of the key points that you make is that millenials don't remember living through that. if they did, they were very young and that's the crux of the problem as you see it for her. >> as i was writing my book i was teaching a class at harvard university where i had
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millenials. none of them didn't know about this speech. what they don't understand is how ground breaking that statement was at that time and how much things have changed dins then. >> one of the things that you also write about is what you call this sort of unsung successes of the third wave of feminism. and you call that the quiet revolution. what is that? and how can she better tap into it? >> so the quiet revolution is really the revolution of the last 30 years where women have permeated the work force, increasingly. is he my book look at how we're getting to critical mass sort of a tipping point between 20 and 30% of any institution. how women really begin to change the way things are done. and if you look at this quiet revolution over the last 30 years where women have come into the work force more and more as we get to the tipping point you hear their voices more strongly. i think you see that with
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millenial women today, you have taylor swift saying i want recognition for my work. and jennifer lawrence demanding equal play. that quiet revolution is bursting into a not so quiet revolution anymore. there is this movement that hillary and all this energy she could tap. she could easily say i've been at the forefront of this for 30 years, you just don't know this. she never makes the connections doesn't connect the dots. >> jay, i appreciate you coming on. let's listen in more to hillary clinton speaking live in south carolina. >> if we don't exercise the right to vote. there is a lot at stake in this election. i think it's one of the most consequential that we've had in a very long time. all you have to do is listen to the other side. they want to turn back all of our rights women's rights civil rights, gay rights voting rights workers rights.
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they want to just turn the clock back. go back to a time that most of us were glad the see in the rearview mirror. we can't let that happen. but we have to do more than just stop bad things from happening. we have to make good things happen too. we have to make those jobs and those rising incomes the centerpiece of economic growth. we've got to break down all the barriers that stand in the way of any american fulfilling his or her god given potential. we need to -- >> hillary clinton speaking there live in south carolina. we'll continue to monitor. coming up next much more on our breaking news. the battle to replace the late supreme court justice antonin scalia. cnn now getting word that the white house is vetting a republican a republican to possibly nomite nate to potentially fill that seat. much more on that. also i will speak live with a police officer representing a police union that is questioning
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top of the hour. i'm poppy harlow in today for my friend brooke baldwin. we begin this hour with breaking news in the partisan battle to replace the late supreme court justice antonin scalia. while senate republicans are renewing their promise to rejection anyone in a president obama nominates the white house right now is vetting a nominee that gop leaders certainly can't ignore. they will be asked about it. will they meet with him? we'll see. it's governor brian sandoval of nevada. manu raju broke the news.
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paul callan joins us also. jeffrey to be a ib is on the phone with us. manu to you first. this comes on an interesting day a day when the gloves are off. senator mcconnell says there will be no hearings. the president writes about who he will look for on skoet us blog, and then this. what happened? >> it's interesting, there are a number of potential supreme court nominees that the white house is looking right now. we've been told that sandoval is part of the list. sandoval's office actually just put out a statement saying they have not been contacted by the white house. but what we do know is that brooichb sandoval has spoken to harry reid the senate democratic leader about the prospects of a supreme court nomination. now, i just had a chance to speak to harry reid about this. and he had all sports of positive things to say about the prospects of brian sandoval as a supreme court justice. you met with brian sandoval.
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he has been mentioned as a possible supreme court justice. do you think that he would be a good supreme court justice? >> well i don't pick the justices. but i know if he were picked i would support the man. he is a good person. he has a great record. and he has been a tremendously good governor. in spite of having to deal with some very big problems there. >> so do you advise the white house to pick a moderate republican who could divide the republican party or pick a progressive who could fire up the liberal base? >> i've talked to the president, his chief of staff many times. i talked to his political guide today, and he should pick who he thinks is the best. >> now the question is whether or not this talk about brian sandoval is simply a trial balloon to make republicans look unreasonable in the eyes of democrats and the white house. i had a chance to talk to a bunch of republican senators if they would even consider brian sandoval. all of them universally are saying no, they would not consider it. all i should say except for two moderate republicans who are open to the idea of considering a nominee.
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the rest of them don't want to move forward even if it is a moderate republican governor like brian sandoval. but it could be bad optic for them which is part of the reason why democrats are open to it. >> it to hurt them in the down ticket races. stick with me. jeffrey tookin he is a republican he is prochoice, opposes late term abortion he approved medicaid expansion. do you think this changes the game jeff toobin for senate republicans? are they going to have to at least meet with him? >> absolutely not. the republicans are locked in on this issue. i think we are at the beginning of a major political battle. and i think so the president's team and certainly harry reid can succeed in making the republicans look intransgent and unreasonable by refusing even to meet with a prospective republican. but the president is not going to nominate someone who like
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governor sandoval thought obama care was probable bleep unconstitutional. the president is going to nominate someone who is closer to his own views on legal issues. but i think as a stroke of political jiu-jitsu floating his name and making the republicans look bad, that's an accomplishment in and of itself and i think we can expect more of that in the weeks ahead. >> political jiu-jitsu, the quote of the day, jeffrey toobin. to you paul callan. walk me through what else we know about his record. this is someone who was unanimously confirmed by the senate in 2005 as a district court judge when he was brought up nominated by then president bush. >> one of the reasons i have to agree with jeff that this is a political move by the president -- and i'd have to say it is a very smart political move because he has nominated a republican governor. and when you look at his record, he has a record of supporting programs that are very important to the president. the most important being the affordable care act. his record has been as governor
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supporting that. he has photoed in favor of abortion rights. he has been relatively pro environment as well. and same sex marriage, he has made a public statement that that's been settled by the courts. so when you think about it in a lot of respects, just on the merits he wouldn't be a bad choice for a democratic president. the republicans of course are going to say this is not a moderate governor this is a liberal republican governor. and i think that's why they will oppose him or at least publicly that will be the position as to why they are not going to conduct hearings and seriously consider the candidacy. >> the politics behind all of it are vast. paul thank you very much. jeffrey toobin thank you. manu thank you again for this and for breaking the news. >> thank you. right now to the race for the white house. on stage tomorrow donald trump and his rivals. well they will take their best shot at the front-runner. and at reaching a huge number of potential voters. they can make their case during
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what may be the most critical point so far in this election season. cnn's republican presidential debate is the last one before voters head to the polls on super tuesday. that's six days from now when 11 states hold republican primaries or caucuses. and derailing donald trump is looking as tough as ever after he won by a long shot in nevada notching his third consecutive victory. trump won by his biggest margin so far, just a hair less than 46% of the vote. consider this for a moment. more people went out to caucus last night for donald trump than total in the 2012 nevada republican caucuses. for all of the candidates then combined. it is astonishing. let's go to phil maddingly. he is with the trump campaign in virginia beach. i know he just spoke to a big crowd at regent university. what was the tackaway? >> well poppy, a sweeping victory last night, a bit of a victory lap today. that was one of the primary
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takeaways. but it was a wide ranging conversation with regent university chancellor pat robertson, obviously a well-known evangelical leader. he touched on a number of topics including what he would look for in a vice president and other interesting elements as well. listen. >> i can forgive. i'm pretty good at. that i do have -- every once in a while there will be somebody that went too far and i won't like it. you've been hearing what i've been saying over the last few weeks. things that were said that were real lice. i won't mention -- i can't mention it in pat's presence. i've got to be a good person today. at least for the next hour. i'm sorry. senator cruz gave us obama. it's true. >> what are if most important qualities you are going to look for in a vice presidential candidate. feel free to name some names. >> the main quality that you want is somebody who can be a great president if something happens to you. don't you think?
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that's got to be number one. and then i would want somebody who can help me with government. most likely that would be a political person. because you know i'm business and very good at all i do and all of. that i'm also very, very political. you've seen me -- when you can get zoning on the west side of manhattan to build almost 6,000 units of housing and you have to go through new york city politics belief me that's as after the -- i don't say israel palestine, but it's about as tough a deal -- it's about as tough a deal. i view that as the single toughest deal. anybody can make that -- -- and we're going to give it a shot. >> poppy arc lot of ground covered today in that sit-down with pat robertson. you notice the not so veiled shots at senator ted cruz there. what's going to be more interesting tomorrow night at the debate than what donald trump has to say it's what cruz or moub or indicate kick or carson have to say to donald trump. there is a lot 6 urgency right now when you talk to gop operatives across the campaigns.
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donald trump is in a good position. his poll numbers going into super tuesday make that pigs look each better. something needs to be done right now. i think, and what i'm hearing right now from different campaigns is tomorrow is the night where they start to make that stand. will it have an impact? so far it hasn't. >> and what is that stand going to look like exactly. fill mattingly thank you. coming up next a lot ahead this morning. are establishment republicans who want to take donald trump down not listening, not listening closely enough to you, the voter? we'll debate that. also a staffer says ted cruz has had enough. the senator has hit a boiling point and is going to hit donald trump hard. what would that look like? i'll also speak live with a police union official who is questioning whether officers should work security for beyonce's upcoming tour. this after her controversial video and super bowl performance. we'll debate it ahead. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple veggie dish ever?
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endorsing texas senator ted cruz. cruz speaking just moments ago about their history. >> when i started in the job, he gave me very simple marching orders. he said i want you to look all cross this country. and if we can stand up and defend conservative principles if we can defend the constitution and bill of rights go do it. >> let's talk about all of it. kathleen parker is with me a columnist for the washington post and conservative cnn political commentator s.c. kup. thank you ladies for being here. senator cruz made this significant turn in terms of the rhetoric. and we're siegel likely push a lot more aggressively against donald trump. here's what one of his advisors told cnn. it is only so long you can take someone calling you a liar when not lying. it got to the point of absurdity. just because trump says it doesn't make it so. we have got to put a stop to it.
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kathleen is going aggressively against trump, is that a smart strategy for ted cruz right now? >> i don't think he has much to lose by it. he has taken third place twice now. and he is being called a liar and i think you have to defend yoorz when that kinds of charge is made. i don't think that's going to be a problem in terms of whether he is viewed as oh, gosh he is attacking the person we most prefer but rather that he is a strong person and he isn't going to stands by while he's bullied by this person who has no rhett sense when it comes to name calling. i don't think it's going to hurt him. i think he has to do that. and actually i would wish that both he and marco rubio would go after donald trump on his record. you don't have to call him name. you don't have to -- you know you don't have to be a worse donald trump. but in fact you know i would -- if i were advising these two candidates i would say, look go after his troeps go after his template. his template is i'm a winner. i'm a winner i'm brilliant all
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those things. all those things. you know what he says. so is he really a winner? i think what they ought to say is he is not really a winner. actually donald trump is kinds of a loser and you can build a list of times when he has lost. that includes when he lost for example, the better known case in atlantic city when this widow won her suit against him. >> the eminent doe maple main case. >> exactly. i would build that case against him. i don't think he would handle it very well. >> i feel like hasn't that been tried before against trump? i mean even the cruz ad with trump on meet the press back in the '90s talking about being pro choice at that point in time. yet he wins nevada by this stunning margin. >> yeah i mean, i hear kathleen kathleen and believe me i am us from separated and wish that some of the other candidates were able to take on trump more effectively. but i think that strategy has proven ineffective among his
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supporters. you are just not going to peel away a trump voter who is more committed to trump than any other voter is committed to any other candidate on their. they are incredibly loyal by pointing out trump isn't who he says he is. they don't seem to care. i think rubio's strategy and kasich's strategy is to do is to run a race to be the last establishment candidate standing. they are i think letting ted cruz and donald trump sort of duke it out to be the last anger candidate standing and hope you know rubio and kasich and carson maybe hope to be around to then take on the winner of of that contest. >> kathleen, i find it fascinating -- >> i agree with that in terms of -- >> go goahead. >> i was going to say. i don't think anyone is going to peel away his supporters but there are so many people going into the primaries who haven't made up their minds. in south carolina it was people
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at the last minute deciding who they was going to be voting for. >> at regent university today he was asked about a potential vice president pick because we are not talking in hypotheticals anymore. we are talking about numbers that are there. someone who has won three in a row and looks solid going into super tooes tuesday. he said he would want kathleen a quote a political person for his vice president nominee this. coming from the ultimate outsider. what do you make of that? >> well he probably understands that you have to have someone familiar with the ropes in washington. you can't just show up as barack obama did and think you are going to change the world. you have to work with the congress. you have to work with the legislate legislative body. in order to do that you need someone who understands who the players are, how they align with other players. you know it's not that simple actually to get things done on the hill as we've smts noticed. so it helps to have a political person in your camp who can help you, guide you through the political swamps as it were. but i just -- it is a kinds of a
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non-outsidery thing to see. >> s.c. >> i think it's interesting i think this is the beginning of what we're going to see, a donald trump pivot and rejiggering as we goes through from tuesday. and if he is as successful in super tuesday as he has been in the past three contests i think you are going to start to see a savvy donald trump sort of shifting to a more moderate tone a more conciliary tone an acknowledgment that they will have to work across the aisle and saying that he will put a political person on the ticket as opposed to some outsider aernt establishment carl icon kinds of guy that he usually talked about. i think it's your first nod that he understands he is going to have to make a pivot if he wins this nomination. >> it is a big night for all of the gop contenders still standing tomorrow night where you are s.c. in houston at that last republican debate before super tuesday hosted by your wolf blitzer.
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kathleen and sc weigh in as well. sit all on for rubio and cruz tomorrow night on the stage? if you are building this strategy what do you say to try to get ahead of donald trump tomorrow night? >> i think that yeah it's all about who prevails in the debate either senator cruz or senator rubio. and i think they are going to be -- i can't predict what they are going to do. but they are going to have to stick to i think being the statesman. i don't know that i would spend a lot of time attacking the other. i would try to make my case as strongly as possible and be the you know, be the grown up on the stage. it's not that hard when you've got donald trump as your -- you know as your chief foe. but, yes, i think all eyes are going to be on those two, for sure. >> and s.c. i want your take also on this news out this afternoon out of the nation's capitol capitol, the fact that it looks like the white house is vetting a republican governor the
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republican governor of nevada brian sandoval as a potential nominee for the supreme court. as jeffrey tooblin put it political jiu-jitsu, brilliant politically, but won't make it through. what's your take? >> yeah i think that's exactly right. the idea that president obama would actually nominate a republican sitting governor like brian sandoval to the supreme court is laughable for mainly the reason that it would then put hillary clinton and bernie sanders in the unenviable position of having to defend this republican pick on the campaign to their liberal voters. that will never happen. this is purely -- once again, president obama just trying to goad republicans into looking unhelpful and obstinant. nothing more than political points. this is knots serious talk. this is a trial balloon. that's it. >> i kinds of think it's brilliant. >> quickly, you think it's realistic? >> sandoval has been on the
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short list many times as a potential vice presidential candidate. he is attractsive to republicans. maybe they will let him in who knows? >>. [ overlapping speakers ] >> no republicans i know. >> that's what we know. kathleen s.c. thank you so much. enjoy the debate. we'll all be watching from here. thank you to awful you for watching. do not miss it. tomorrow night only on cnn. 8:30 p.m. eastern. the gop candidates face off for the last time before super tuesday. wolf blitzer mod rates the cnn republican presidential debate live from houston texas. only right here. next, ted cruz admitted it is make or break on super tuesday. and with those votes, less than a week away what does each candidate have to do to stay alive? we'll break it down. take a look at the states there. all ahead. next.
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all right. new hampshire, check. south carolina check. nevada check. with a donald trump nomination looking more and more realistic, the pressure for other candidates to win big on super tuesday even higher. as they say, everything is big in texas. including the number of delegates. look at the map. those are all the super tuesday states. texas with a whopping 155 delegates up for grabs, delegates that home said senator ted cruz has called the crown jewel of the primary season. let's talk more about all of this and the math and how it all adds up. gideon resnick withes a reporter with the daily beast.
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today he will be playing the role of delegate mathematician. your lucky day, sir. i want to tick through these. first of all finish this stenls for me ted cruz survives super tees if he does what? >> i guess the idea now is if he wins texas. >> that's all he has to do? >> it seems sort of like sad that it's not a foregone conclusion anymore that he is going to get his home state. but in terms of the delegates, he could get much much closer to trump obviously if he gets those 155 in texas. the way we are looking at polls now, it seems the momentum is lost. it seems overall the campaign seems like it's stumbling around a little bit. i guess that would seem like a win. >> the latest polling shows that trump is ahead of john kasich in his home state of ohio. you never know what is going to happen, you are right even in your home state. finish this sentence. marco rubio continues in this race as a formidable opponent to
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trump if what? >> i don't know how you finish that on. >> you are giving up on him? he came in second last night. >> he is hedging expectations and saying, you know can stay in this if i'm consistently second. i can stay in the i win my home state of florida march 15th. right now it's not even looking as if he has a chance to take any states on super tuesday. at one point minnesota seemed like it might be a possibility. i know that colorado is another state that's not polled all that well and it is a caucus. again, who knows really. but at this point, yeah you have a candidate who on paper seems like he should be the guy. and everybody has been saying he is the guy for months. and yet he can't seem to consolidate that into a primary state win. >> if you can't take a state then how are you going to pull this off. >> right. >> donald trump wins away with this on super tuesday as long as he doesn't do what? what koss donald trump have to not do to keep this momentum going? i think he has to just win the states where he has been winning for a long time.
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and if we you know base the logic on the polls that we've seen -- and the polls have been relative with the wins has gotten it seems like it's going to win, you know ten states on tuesday, which means that it doesn't seem like it's likely to close the gap any time soon in terms of the delegates in terms of how you catch this guy in national polls. a lot of people talk about a ceiling with donald trump being 35 or 40% nationally. it's unclear if that ceiling exists at this stage. >> and what's going to happen when we see more people pull out of the race? >> exactly. where are those voters going to go? i think for rubio a big distinction his campaign hasn't made yet, they have to seifon off voters from trump in order to even the odds. they can't just take the voters who were going to vote for jeb and make it happen. >> i think the lesson learned from romney's camp is you can't just win the white vote. you have to win a significant
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pouring of the minority vote. >> exactly right. they continue to say well we're doing fine but it's hard to say how well they are doing if they are not getting states. >> look who got the latino vote last night in nevada. donald trump. thank you very much. coming up next police unions pushing back against beyonce after a controversial new video and her super bowl performance. several police unions calling on their members not to work security detail for her upcoming concert tour. we'll debate what's behind the backlash ahead. you both have a perfect driving record. >>perfect. no tickets. no accidents... >>that is until one of you clips a food truck ruining your perfect record. >>yup... now, you would think your insurance company would cut you some slack, right? >>no. your insurance rates go through the roof. your perfect record doesn't get you anything. >>anything. perfect! for drivers with accident forgiveness liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. and if you do have an accident
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one woman knows more about presidential history and politics than just about anyone
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else on the planet. and i am lucky enough to have her as my next guest. she spent decades studying political geniuses and political down falls. joining me is doris concerns-good win, a woman who new york magazine has dubbed america's historian in chief. thank you so much for being with us. >> i'm so glad to be here. >> you are writing yet another book a new book all about leadership. and it's interesting you are looking at experienced politician versus outsiders. quite an apropos time to be looking at exactly that when we are looking at donald trump the front-runner on the republican as sort of the ultimate outsider. what has history shown us about outsiders? >> the interesting thing is that experience is not simply the number of positions you've held. it's what kind of temperament have you shown, what kind of judgment have you shown, how have you communicated with people. sometimes somebody likes james buchanan who was the president
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before lincoln, he had been everything. he had all sorts of experience. he had been a state assembly monarchs congressman arc senator, secretary of state, minister to russia and yet he was one of the worst presidents in our history. abraham lincoln comes in with only one term in kong and a state assembly job and becomes the best president. it's underneath either outsider or experience that we have to look at what their tell per meant are. what worries me about the campaign i don't think we are really doing that. we've gotten so caught up in the excitement of the campaign itself that what kinds of leadership traits any of these characters are is way way under cover. that's what we should be really thinking about. >> take me back to 1912 and roosevelt and taft in the nation's first primary. it wasn't pretty then either. >> no. that's right. that was indeed the first presidential primary. the incredible thing the debate between teddy and taft teddy wanting to take over his successor taft's job ending up running a third party against
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taft they were brutal calling each other fat heads, traitors dictators. the new york times said association my god if this is the first primary, it's a mob. they wanted to go back to the convention system where the good old bosses chose who it was. >> interesting interview with former cia director on newday. he was asked about donald trump's dominance. here's what he said. >> it looks like an awful lot of republican electorate are so us from frait straighted so angry what they are really interested in is a primal scream. and they are certainly getting that primeal scream. i understand that. but i'm really focussed concerned about what follows because you can't govern with a primal scream. so let's see what happens. >> i want your take on hissis cho of words there primal scream. and also the fact that you say trump is benefiting by not being defensive. >> yeah i think he is right
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when he says there is a lot of anger and fear in the electorate. and it comes from two sources. one -- in the republican electorate especially. one comes from the frustrations of everyday life that a lot of people are feeling on both sides, the economy the squeezed middle class, the income gap between rich and poor. but then we have had a history in the last decade or so of tea parties arguing against what's in current power, the republican party. soar coming to roost now of hating anyone inside the party. you would think that kasich would be an ideal person or jeb bush in another time or another place. but there is that anger, the primal scream against it. the problem is when you govern you have to bring people together. you can't just deal with anger. you have to deal with compromise and cooperation. the gap between campaigning and governing i think is as big as i've seen it in my life time this year. >> what about the argument that the political pundits, the
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political elite, the media as some of the candidates pont out -- they say, you're not listening to the voice of the voters. and if you just look at last night and 46% going for donald trump, do you think that the voters' voices are being lost in all of this? >> you know it's a fair question because i think you would have to say if the point of campaigning is to win votes in primaries and caucuses then donald trump has run a campaign that's been victorious. and he has to be given the credit for having done that. and it's not enough to just look at the voters and say why are they doing this crazy thing? what's the matter with them? they have feelings. they are expressing them. i think the real question is how do you channel those feelings that are real out fl and yet make sure that you have got a leader who can translate those feelings into real promises? one of the things teddy roosevelt said is that the mark of a good public servant is somebody who doesn't make promises that he can't keep.
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you worry about some of the promises trump has made water boardsing, building the wall, deporting 11 million people. how will that be possible in our country? yet that's happening right now. i think social media has really changed the whole context. >> to push back on that a bit. i hear you. but i also would take us back to 2009 right after president obama took office and he said i will close guantanamo bay just as his predecessor george w. bush had sid said. just yesterday, seven years later we get the plan to congress. there are a lot of promises made on both sides. >> no question. in 1960 jfk made a whole series of promises during the campaign and he and his aides had to sit down for weeks and studied how are they going to meet all these promises. there was number 52 where he promised an executive order -- he looked at his two speech
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writers and said who wrote that. he had to do it and he was forced to do it because of the pressure. i wonder whether we will still put pressure whether we believe these promises or not. >> final question to you. if donald trump does get the nomination if he does win the general election how does that change your book on leadership right now? >> you know i guess we'd have to figure out what the qualities are for a leader in a particular context in a particular time. they are different. churchill was the kinds of leader we needed at the beginning of world war ii. might not have been the same leader in the '20s. is there an environment these days that's producing this kind of leader. i'm not sure what kind of a leader he is going to be. we don't know enough about his past as a business leader. we know he has done a good job campaigning and he has to be given credit for that. hopefully we'll learn more in the course of the election of what kind of leader he will be. that will be the job of the
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media to figure out. >> incumbent on all of us. doris, thank you for your time and congrats on the upcoming book. >> thank you so much. coming up next i will speak live with the head of a police union telling its officers that they don't need to volunteer to provide security at beyonce's upcoming tour assignments after her latest video and her performance at the super bowl. we'll debate that next. # my cloud feels like somebody's hugging you. (vo) there's a tempur-pedic for everyone. and now through february 28th, save up to $300 on one of our most popular tempur-breeze mattress sets.
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. bonsz's new hit song "formation" you have likely heard it. also you probably saw her super bowl performance as well. they are both still catching a lot of buzz. the song's music video shows images of hurricane katrina and also protests over officer involved shootings. look. ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ >> when beyonce performed that song at the super bowl her back up dancers were dressed as black panthers. that certainly sparked debate as has the video. now some police officers are calling for a boycott of her upcoming concerts saying they will not provide security day. let's talk about it all. sergeant danny hale is with me president of the national fraternal order of police. also with me, author and radio host solomon jones. gentlemen thank you for being here. sergeant let's begin with you and this question what is your criticism of bonsz, that song, the video? there are no antipolice lyrics. we did see in that clip there is graffiti on one wall that says
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stop shooting and a young man dancing in fronts of a line of police. there have been other artists who have criticized police in their lyrics and videos. walk me through this one. >> thank you for having me. >> sure. >> secondly. i never said anything about the video per se. it has popped up every now and then. my only complaint is when i watched the halftime show -- actually i had to watch it later because i wasn't this the room at the time. but for them to put that -- the black panther movement up on some type of pedestal is the thing that board me the most. as far as her video out of new orleans, she is an artist that's the cool thing about being in america, she can do what she chooses to do. i just felt that we needed to take a stand because 15 blifrs were killed across the united states by -- police officers were killed across the united states by the black panther movement at that time into the '80s.
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and two of those officers were here in national ville tennessee. my whole thing, is i never said the word boycott. i said please don't dol volunteer to do that. ultimately the chief of police is going to have to mandate because we are not going to bring 60 or there will be security from the federal to the local level. it just so happens the local police have the crux of the security detail. >> so i'm clear, you're saying not advocating a boycott but what i am telling my officers is don't volunteer to do it if you were offended? >> that is correct. that's my only complaint. i felt like we needed to take a stance. you know i'll be honest with you. i hate that it came about this way, but i appreciate the conversation. actually i've talked to different people and different lifestyles for the past week that i probably wouldn't talk to normally. >> so solomon, let's weigh in on this. not only are you a journalist you were once a police
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dispatcher. where do you fall on this? >> i think it's ridiculous. i think it's ridiculous to demonize the black panthers. let's look at why they were wearing black panther re gala. it's the 50th anniversary of the black panthers. the backlack panthers is an organization that started in response to police brutality in the black community 50 years ago. many of the things they did had nothing to do with that sort of outward resistance to police. what they did was they started a breakfast program. they helped kids with literacy. they helped kids with their school work. you know you don't hear that in the story of the black panthers. what you do hear is the propaganda around them deciding that they wanted to defend themselves. as far as police volunteering police do not volunteer to do security here in philadelphia they volunteer for overtime. and so that security is paid for. they are paid for their time.
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they are paid to do their job. for example, here in philadelphia police do security in apple stores and apple pays for that overtime. so the whole notion that this is not some kind of boycott, i take exception to that because i think it absolutely is. and i think that they just need to call it that so that we can address it for what it is. >> i want you both to listen to hillary clinton last night addressing the issue of race during cnn's presidential town hall. here's what she told one audience member about understanding the problem of systemic racism. >> recently i've started wearing my hair natural, and i've noticed a difference in the way some people address and look at me. in the wake of things like ferguson and black lives matter and the recent black lash against beyonce for her formation video, there have been a lot of racial tensions recently in our nation. so my question to you is what do you intend to do to help fix the broken racial relations in our
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nation? >> well kyla first of all, thank you for being so candid and brave to stand up and say this about yourself because i think it really helps to shine a spotlight on what are one of the many barriers that still stand in the way of people feeling like they can pursue their own dreams they can be who they are, they can have the future that they want in our country. and i believe strongly we have to deal with systemic racism. we have serious challenges and i think -- >> there you have it. i want both of your reactions. sergeant hale, you first. >> well, to that issue, my opinion is you know i normally don't agree with mrs. clinton on anything. but for her to say -- for her to put out there that, yes you have the right to do whatever you choose in america, absolutely she's correct. now, is there -- are there still racial issues?
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why, certainly. i live in a day-to-day life in davidson county nashville, tennessee, and i know that there are problems. to get back to mr. jones' issue that we are out here in a boycott situation and we get paid for this and get paid for that that's absolutely correct. we work sideline jobs but we don't have to volunteer to work sideline jobs. that's just -- that's our -- you know for our economic health for our families. and also you look at another thing, when these messages come out, everybody tends to forget that the men and women that are out here protecting society, that the men and women that are out here protecing the rights of citizens yes, they do make mistakes but also they have families. their families are worried about them out there on a daily basis. so when you go into a hostile environment, which don't get me wrong we were trained and paid to do and we are going to do. the cool part about this whole narrative is miss knowles is
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going to come to nashville on may the 5th she's going to have a great show and she'll be dealt with in a professional manner. >> i have one minute left. solomon, your thoughts. >> it's not a volunteer situation. they volunteer to do overtime. they volunteer to get paid. it's not a volunteer situation. the other thing is that they are paid to uphold the law, to protect and serve. and if beyonce dancing around is a hostile situation, well that's a problem. then we need to get some new police officers in to deal with real hostile situations. that's not a hostile situation. she is free as an american to express herself. she's done that. and i think that her 14 million followers on twitter and 61 million followers on instagram are paying close attention to what happens with this situation. >> important discussion to have. thank you both for having it with us and our viewers. sergeant thank you. solomon, thank you. back in a moment. >> thank you very much. >> you're welcome. see me. see me. don't stare at me.
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