CNN Republican Presidential Debate CNN February 26, 2016 8:00pm-10:25pm PST
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you're very good at this. when are you going to fight again? didn't i just say no questions? alright! alright! welcome back to the university of houston and the republican presidential debate. the candidates, they are now in place. their positions were selected based on their standing in the delegate race, through nevada, with the top candidate in the center and the others extending outward. i want to tell you how tonight's debate will work. as moderator, i will guide the discussion, asking questions and
follow-ups, as will maria celeste, dana bash, and hugh hewitt. candidates, you'll have a minute and 15 seconds to answer and 30 seconds for follow-ups and rebuttals. we have timing lights that are visible to the candidates. those lights will warn you when your time is up. and as the candidates requested, a bell will sound like this. we know you all want to jump in and debate these critically important issues, but please, wait until you're called on. these are the rules all of the candidates have agreed to. it's time for the candidates to introduce themselves right now. you'll each have 30 seconds. dr. carson, you're first. >> if someone had tried to describe today's america to you 30 years ago, you would have listened in disbelief. americans know that our nation is heading off the abyss of destruction, secondary divisiveness, fiscal irresponsibility, and failure to lead. marco, donald, ted, john, we will not solve any of these problems by trying to destroy each other. what we need to do is be looking
for solutions tonight. it's not about us, it's about the american people. [ applause ] >> governor kasich? >> well, you know, on the way over here, even getting ready earlier and sitting in the green room and watching the early coverage, you know, my father carried mail on his back and his father was a coal miner and my mother's mother was an immigrant, could barely speak english. and i'm standing on this stage. it's pretty remarkable. but i want to tell you, there's a lot of young people watching tonight. you can do whatever you want to do in your life. america is an amazing country, where a kid like me can grow up to run for president of the united states and be on the stage tonight. so to all the young people that are out there, your hopes, your dreams, pursue them.
shoot for the stars. america's great, and you can do it. thank you, wolf. >> senator rubio? >> thank you. this election, we have to decide the identity of america and the 21st century, but we have to find out our identity as a party and a movement. 36 years ago, ronald reagan and george h.w. bush began the reagan revolution. for a generation, they defined conservatism as limited government and free enterprise and a strong national defense. but they also appealed to our hopes and our dreams. now we have to decide if we are still that kind of party and still that kind of movement, or if we're simply going to become a party that preys on people's angers and fears. i hope we remain that conservative movement that appeals to our hopes and our dreams and the belief that america will always be better in its future than it's been in its history. >> senator cruz? >> welcome to texas. here texas provided my family with hope.
here, my mom became the first in our family ever to go to college. here, my dad fled cuba and washed dishes, making 50 cents an hour to pay his way through the university of texas. i graduated from high school at second baptist not too far away from here. when i ran for senate, i promised 27 million texans i would fight for you ever day and not for the washington bosses. and i'll tell you, as i travel the state, democrats tell me, i didn't vote for you, but you're doing what you said you would do, and as president, i will do the same. >> mr. trump? >> thank you. my whole theme is make america great again. we don't win anymore as a country. we don't win with trade. we don't win with the military, isis, we can't even knock out isis, and we will, believe me. we will. we don't win in any capacity with health care. we have terrible health care. obamacare is going to be
repealed and replaced. we just don't win. you look at our borders, they're like swiss cheese. everybody pours in. we're going to make a great country again. we're going to start winning again. we're going to win a lot. it's going to be a big difference, believe me. it's going to be a big, big difference. >> thank you very much. it's now time to begin questions. voters in the first four states have spoken, and mr. trump has emerged as the front-runner, but in five days, the candidates will face their biggest test yet, super tuesday, when nearly half of the delegates needed to win the republican nomination will be awarded and the biggest prize of the night is texas. immigration is a key issue in this state for all voters nationwide, including the many people watching us tonight on telemundo. so that's where we begin. mr. trump, you've called for a deportation force to remove the 11 million undocumented immigrants from the united
states. you've also promised to let, what you call, the good ones come back in. your words, the good ones, after they've been deported. senator cruz would not allow them to come back in. he says, that's the biggest difference between the two of you. he calls your plan amnesty. is it? >> first of all, he was in charge of amnesty. he was the leader, and you can ask marco, because they've been debating this every debate that we've had. as far as coming back in, number one, you wouldn't even be talking and you wouldn't have asked that as the first question if it weren't for me in my opening when i talked about illegal immigration. it wouldn't even be a big subject. but we either have a country or we don't have a country. we have at least 11 million people in this country that came in illegally. they will go out. they will come back, some will come back, the best. through a process. they have to come back legally. they have to come back through a process, and it may not be a very quick process, but i think that's very fair and very fine. they're going to get online with other people.
the best of them will come back, but they're going to come back through a process. >> senator cruz, what's wrong with letting what mr. trump calls "the good ones" come back to the united states? >> the people that get forgotten in this debate over immigration are the hard-working men and women of this country. millions of americans that are losing their jobs, millions of legal immigrants that are losing their jobs or seeing their wages driven down. you know, the past couple of weeks, "the wall street journal" had a very interesting article about the state of arizona. arizona put in very tough laws on illegal immigration. and the result was, illegal immigrants fled the state. and what's happened there, it was a very interesting article. some of the business owners complained that the wages they had to pay workers went up. and from their perspective, that was a bad thing, but what the state of arizona has seen is the dollars they're spending on welfare, on prisons, on education, all of those have dropped by hundreds of millions
of dollars, and the americans, and for that matter, the legal immigrants, who are in arizona, are seeing unemployment drop, are seeing wages rise. that's who we need to be fighting for. listen, we have always welcomed legal immigrants, but i think it is a mistake to forgive those who break the law, to allow them to become u.s. citizens, and that's why i've led the fight against granting citizenship to those here illegally, and that's why i will do the same thing as president. >> mr. trump, do you want to respond to that? >> well, i'm very glad that ted mentioned arizona, because probably, the toughest man on board is sheriff joe arpaio. and two days ago, we totally endorsed me. so, thank you. >> senator rubio? >> well, first -- >> senator cruz has called your immigration plan amnesty and has an ad out there comparing it to
president obama's. he says both of you support allowing undocumented immigrants legal status here in the united states after a background check, paying a fine, and paying taxes. are those claims correct? >> well, first of all, before we do anything, and i've been abundantly clear on this, when i'm president of the united states, before we do anything on immigration, we are going to secure the border. and that's not just the physical border with mexico. it's visa overstays. that's 45% of the problem right there. it also has to do -- that's why we need e-verfy and an entry/exit tracking system and so forth. and until that happens, we're not doing anything else. and then we'll see what the american people are willing to support. and donald mentioned, because he mentioned me in his answer, that his position on immigration is what's driven this debate. the truth is, though, a lot of these positions that he's now taking are new to him. in 2011, he talked about the need for a pathway to
citizenship. in 2012, donald criticized mitt romney, saying that mitt lost his election because of self-deportation. and even today, we saw a report in one of the newspapers that donald, you've hired a significant number of people from other countries to take jobs that americans could have filled. my mom was a maid at a hotel, and instead of hiring an american like her, you have brought in over a thousand people from all over the world to fill those jobs instead. so i think this is an important issue. and i think we are realizing that it's an important issue for the country that's been debated for 30 years, but finally needs to be solved once and for all. >> mr. trump? >> first of all, self-deportation is people are going to leave as soon as they see others going out. if you look at dwight eisenhower in the 1950s, they started moving people out and the rest of them left. self-deportation, as i really define it, and that's the way i define it, is you're going to get some to go, and the rest are going to go out. as far as the people i've hired in various parts of florida during the absolute prime season, like palm beach and other locations, you could not get help. it's the up season. people didn't want to have part-time jobs. they were part-time jobs, very seasonal, 90-day jobs, 120-day jobs, and you couldn't get. everybody agrees with me on that. they were part-time jobs. you needed them, or we just might as well close the doors, because you couldn't get help in those hot, hot sections of florida.
>> that -- my point that i made was you had criticized mitt romney for self-deportation. you said that his strategy of self-deportation is why he lost the election. and i think people in florida would be surprised, because, in fact, the article that was today, they interviewed a number of people, that would have been willing to do those jobs, if you would have been willing to hire them to do it. >> i criticize mitt romney for losing the election. he should have won that election. he had a failed president, he ran a terrible campaign, he was a terrible candidate. that's what i criticize mitt romney -- >> he -- >> excuse me. he ran one terrible campaign. that's an election that should have been won. >> well, in fact, i agree he should have won and i wished he would have, but, in fact, you did criticize him for using the term "self-deportation." that's on the record and people can look it up right now online. but i want to reiterate, i think it's really important, this point. i think it's fine, it's an important point you raise and we discuss on immigration. this is a big issue for texas and a huge issue for the country. but i also think that if you're
going to claim that you're the only one that lifted this into the campaign, that you acknowledge that, for example, you're only person on this stage that's ever been fined for hiring people to work on your projects illegally. you hired some -- >> no, no, i'm the only one at this stage that's hired people. you haven't hired anybody. >> in fact, some of the people -- >> and by the way -- i've hired -- >> and by the way -- >> i've hired tens of thousands of people over my job. you've hired nobody. you've had nothing but problems with your credit cards, et cetera. >> let me -- don't me -- >> senator, hold on. >> you haven't hired one person, you liar. >> he hired workers from poland. >> that's wrong. totally wrong. >> people can look it up. i'm sure people are googling right now. polish workers. fined $1 million for hiring illegal workers on one of his projects. he did it. that happened. >> i've hired tens of thousands of people over my lifetime. tens of thousands. >> many from other countries instead of hiring americans. >> just be quiet. let me talk. i've hired tens of thousands of people. he brings up something from 30
years ago, it worked out very well. everybody was -- >> yeah, you paid $1 million -- >> by the way, the laws were totally different. that was a whole different world. >> thank you. >> but i've hired people. nobody up here has hired anybody. >> senator cruz, you say you want to o deport the 11 million undocumented immigrants, but you never want to allow them to come back to the united states. what would happen to the children who are u.s.-born citizens whose parents will be deported under your plan? >> well, existing law provides that those who are deported cannot come back here legally. u.s. citizens can come back. that's existing law. but let me say, wolf, i really find it amazing that donald believes that he is the one who discovered the issue of illegal immigration. i can tell you, when i ran for senate here in the state of texas, i ran promising to lead the fight against amnesty, promising to fight to build a wall, and in 2013, when i was leading the fight against the gang of eight amnesty bill, where was donald? he was firing dennis rodman on
"celebrity apprentice." and indeed, if you look at the gang of eight, one individual on this stage broke his promise to the men and women who elected him and wrote the amnesty bill. but donald funded the gang of eight. if you look at the eight members of the gang of eight, donald gave over $50,000 to three democrats and two republicans. and when you're funding open border politicians, you shouldn't be surprised when they fight for open borders. and i think if you want to know who actually will secure the borders and follow through, you ought to ask, who has a record before they were a candidate for president, of fighting to secure the borders and stop amnesty, and i'm the only one on this stage that has that record. and by the way, marco is exactly right, that a federal court found donald guilty of being part of a conspiracy -- >> thank you. >> -- to hire people illegally and entered a $1 million judgment against him. >> mr. trump?
>> i can only say this. and i've said it loud and clear and i've said it for years. and many of these people are sitting right in the audience right now, your lobbyists and special interests and your donors, because the audience is packed with them and they're packed with you. i've had an amazing relationship with politicians -- with politicians, both democrat, republican, because i was a businessman. as one magazine said, he's a world-class businessman, he was friendly with everybody. i got along with everybody. you get along with nobody. you don't have one republican -- you don't have one republican senator, and you work with them every day of your life, although you skipped a lot of time, these are minor details. but you don't have one republican senator backing you, not one. you don't have the endorsement of one republican senator and you work with these people. >> senator cruz? >> you should be ashamed of yourself. >> you know, i actually think donald is right. he is promising, if he's elected, he will go and cut deals in washington. and he's right. he has supported -- >> good deals.
>> but he has given hundreds of thousands of dollars to democrats. anyone who really cared about illegal immigration wouldn't be hiring illegal immigrants. anyone who really cared about illegal immigration wouldn't be funding harry reid and nancy pelosi, wouldn't be funding the gang of eight. and, you know, he is right. when you stand up to washington, when you honor the promise you made to the men and women who elected you and say, enough with the corruption, enough with the cronyism, let's actually stand for the working men and women of this country, washington doesn't like it, and donald, if you want to be liked in washington, that's not a good attribute for a president. >> this is robinhood over here. he talks about corruption on his financial disclosure form, he didn't even put that he's borrowed money from citibank and from goldman sachs, which is a total violation. he didn't talk about the fact that he pays almost no interest. he just left it off, and now he's going to protect the people from the big, bad banks. give me a break. >> we'll move on to governor
kasich. >> can i respond? >> you can respond, but let me get governor kasich in. he's been waiting patiently. governor kasich? the idea -- you've said this and i want to quote you now. the idea that we're going to deport all these people is ludicrous and everybody knows it. those are your words. should people be allowed to break the law, just because it's not feasible to stop them? >> look, we have a great president here, george bush, 41st president of the united states, he worked with ronald reagan, to pass an effort to try to solve this problem. a path to legalization. you see, that was a time when things worked. it was a time when president reagan and george bush decided that we need to make the country work. look, i think there is an answer here. the answer is, you complete the border. you let people know, once it's done, you don't have a right to come in. if you come in, we don't want any excuse, you're going to go back. but i favor a guest worker program. i think it's practical.
and i think for the 11 or 11.5 million americans, the illegals that are here, if they have not committed a crime since they've been here, i'd make them pay a fine, some back taxes, maybe some community service, and at the end, i would give them a path to legalization, but not a path to citizenship. i don't think we're going to tear families apart. i don't think we're going to ride around in people's neighborhoods and grab people out of their homes. first of all, i don't think it's practical and i don't think it reflects america. you know what happened? the problem with president reagan is we didn't get in there and actually finish the border. and i think it was probably business interests that affected it. but at the end of the day, let's be practical. let's start solving problems in this country instead of kicking them upstairs with, and with president reagan and george bush, it was a bipartisan coalition to address the issue, and i think we can and should do it again and i will have a plan in the first hundred days to get it done and get this issue behind us. >> thank you, governor. dr. carson?
you've been critical of mass deportation. you said back in november, you don't think mr. trump's plan necessarily represents the republican party. given how well mr. trump has been doing with the republican primary voters, do you still believe that? >> i believe in liberty and justice for all. i think everything that we do should be fair. and i've already described, you know, how we can secure the border. we need to secure all the borders, because it's not just people coming in from south america and mexico, but there are terrorists who want to destroy us, who are getting across our borders fairly easily. and we have to stop that. but in terms of the people who are here already, after we stop the illegal immigration, we need to be reasonable. and i would give them a six-month period in which to get registered, as a guest worker, assuming they have an acceptable record, they have to pay a back-tax penalty, have to pay taxes going forward, but don't have to live underground anymore, and i think they do not
become american citizens, they do not vote. if they want to become an american citizen, they go through exactly the same process that anybody else goes through. i think that's the kind of situation that is actually fair to people. and we have other ways of utilizing our facilities and our talents, as foreign aid. doing things in south america and central america and mexico that improve the economy there, so that they don't feel the need to come over here. that would cost us a lot less than borrowing money from china, paying interest on it. >> thank you, dr. carson. mr. trump? your campaign, as you well remember, began with the idea of building a wall along the southern border, it's about 315 miles southwest of where we are right now. you've said the mexican government will pay for it. >> correct. >> the spokesperson for the current president of mexico says, that will never happen. the last two presidents of mexico say, that will never
happen. in fact, the former president of mexico, vicente fox, he said today, and i'm quoting him, he said, i'm not going to pay for that, quote, f'ing wall. so if you don't get an actual check from the mexican government for $8 billion or $10 billion or $12 billion, whatever it will cost, how are you going to make them pay for the wall? >> i will and the wall just got 10 feet taller, believe me. it just got 10 feet taller. i saw him make that -- i saw him make the statement. i saw him use the word that he used. i can only tell you, if i would have used even half of that word, it would have been national scandal. this guy used a filthy, disgusting word on television and he should be ashamed of himself and he should apologize, okay? number one. number two, we have a trade deficit with mexico of $58 billion a year. and that doesn't include all the
drugs that are pouring across and destroying our country. we're going to make them pay for that wall. now, the wall is $10 billion to $12 billion, if i do it. if these guys do it, it will end up costing $200 billion. but the wall is $10 billion to $12 billion. you need a thousand miles. the great wall of china, built 2,000 years ago, 2,000, is 13,000 miles. we need a thousand, because we have a lot of natural barriers. we can do it for 10 to 12, and this is a real wall. this is a wall that's a heck of a lot higher than the ceiling you're looking at. this is a wall that's going to work. mexico will pay for it, because they're not doing us any favors. they could stop all of this illegal trade if they wanted to, immediately. mexico will pay for the wall. it's a small portion of the kind of money that we lose and the deficits that we have with mexico. >> if the -- if the mexicans don't pay for the wall, will you start a trade war with mexico?
>> you know, i don't mind trade wars when we're losing $58 billion a year, you want to know the truth. we're losing so much. we're losing so much with mexico and china, with china, we're losing $500 billion a year. and then people say, oh, don't we want to trade? i don't mind trading, but i don't want to lose $500 billion. i don't want to lose $58 billion. mexico just took carrier corporation, maker of air-conditioners. they just took ford. they're building a $2.5 billion plant. they just took nabisco out of chicago. and i always say, i'm not having oreos anymore, which is true, by the way. but they just took a big plant from nabisco into mexico. they're taking our businesses. i don't mind. >> senator rubio? >> yeah, a couple points. if he builds the wall the way he built trump towers, he'll be using illegal immigrant labor to do it. >> such a cute sound bite. >> it's not a sound bite. it's a fact. again, go online and google it. donald trump, polish workers.
the second thing about the trade war, i don't understand, because your clothes and the tie you wear are made in mexican and in china. you'll be starting a trade war against your own clothes and suits. >> they devalue their currencies -- >> make them in america. >> you don't know a thing about business. >> well, make them in america. >> let me just tell you, they devalue their currencies, china, mexico, everybody, japan, with the cars. they devalue their currencies to such an extent that our businesses cannot compete with them. our workers lose their jobs. >> that's why you make them in china and russia -- >> you don't know anything about it because you're a lousy businessman. >> i don't know anything about bankrupting four companies. i don't know anything about starting a fake university. >> one at a time. >> a fake university! there are people who borrow $36,000 to go to trump university and they're suing him now. $36,000 to go to a university -- >> and by the way -- and by the way -- >> that's a fake school. and you know what they got, they got to take a picture with a
cardboard cutout of donald trump. that's what they got for $36,000. >> and they actually did a very good job. i won most of the lawsuit. >> most of the lawsuit? >> i want to bring in my colleague, marie -- >> am i allowed to respond to this? >> you're allowed -- you've been responding. >> i haven't. i really haven't. >> he's talked the through the whole thing. >> here's a guy who buys a house for $179,000 and sells to it a lobbyist who's probably here for $380,000 and then legislation is passed. you tell me -- this guy! >> here's the guy that inherited $200 million. if he hadn't inherited $200 million, you know where donald trump would be right now, selling watches -- >> no, no, no, that is so wrong. we'll work on that. i took $1 million and i turned it into $10 billion. i borrowed $1 million -- >> then release your tax return. >> i borrowed $1 million -- >> he doesn't make that much money. >> thank you.
i want to bring in maria celeste of telemundo. >> senator rubio, last week you said that on your first day in office, you will get rid of president obama's executive action, known as deferred action for childhood arrivals, daca for short. it's a program that has protected hundreds of thousands of young people that came here when they were children, brought to the u.s. by undocumented immigrants. this is the only home they know. and that is a dramatic change from last april, when you said in spanish, and i'm going to quote you -- [ speaking spanish ] which translates to, daca is going to have to end at some point, but it wouldn't be fair to cancel it immediately. so senator rubio, what changed? >> it didn't change. >> why is it now fair to cancel it on day one? >> no, it's the same policy. it will have to end at some moment, and as i said, we will eliminate that executive order. the people that are on it now
will not be allowed to renew it and new applicants will not be allowed to apply to it. and it's not because we're not compassionate to the plight of someone who came here when they were 2 years old. we understand. i know people who are personally impacted by that. the problem with the executive order is it is unconstitutional. the president doesn't have the power to do that. and he himself admitted that. >> senator, senator -- >> i'm sorry, but -- >> but you went from saying that it was deeply disruptive to deport them immediately to deport them on day one. >> no, this is not about deportation. everybody always goes immediately to the issue of deportation. this is about daca. daca is an executive order that is unconstitutional. i will cancel it on my first day in office. which means people who currently hold those permits will not be allowed to renew them when they expire and new people will not be able to apply them. i am sympathetic to the plight of people who came here when they were 2 or 3 years old through no fault of their own. no matter how sympathetic we may be to a cause, we can not violate the constitution of the united states the way this president now does on a regular basis.
>> senator rubio, you accused senator cruz in a previous debate of lying when he said that you said one thing in spanish and another one in english. so in what sense did he lie? >> because it is not true that i'm not going to get rid of daca. i am going to get rid of daca. in the spanish interview, you just read out the transcript in spanish, i said, it will have to end. that will be when i eliminate the executive order and the people who have those permits when they expire will not be able to renew it. and new people will not be allowed to apply. and that is how the program ends and how you wind it down. you allow the people who are on it, when the program expires, they cannot renew it, and it goes away. but i will cancel the executive order as soon as i take -- as soon as i step foot into the oval office. >> i have to say, he lied this time. he lied. 100%. 100%. >> you lied about the polish workers. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. 38 years ago.
>> oh, he lied 38 years ago. i guess there's a statute of limitation on lies. >> maria, i would note you made the exact same point i made at the last debate and i would agree senator rubio called me a liar for saying that. we've all seen at home when politicians say, it will have to end some day in the future. that is inevitably when a politician doesn't plan to end it at all. i'm reminded of, that is the same position that marco took in iowa on ethanol subsidies. when i campaigned in iowa and took on the lobbyists, took on the corporate welfare, and said, we should have no ethanol subsidies, marco's position was the same as it is towards illegal amnesty. well, some day it should end, just not now. and frankly, i think we need a president who knows what he believes and is willing to say it on day one, not at the end of
his term when it's somebody else's problem. >> that's not an accurate assessment of what i said about ethanol. what i said is ethanol will phase out. it is phasing out now. by 2022, that program expires, by virtue of the existing law and at that point it will go away. i don't agree with the mandate and the program that's in place. but i think it's unfair that these people have gone out and invested all this money into this program and we're just going to yank it away from them. and again, you read the statement in spanish. i said very clearly on spanish television, daca will have to end at some point, and at that time, i was not a candidate for president. i said, it will end on my first day in office as president, and the people who have it now will not be able to renew it and new applicants will not be able to apply. that is the end of daca. i am sympathetic to this cause. but once again, it cannot supersede the constitution of the united states, which this president habitually and routinely, every single day, ignores and violates. >> senator cruz, you and senator rubio are the two candidates of hispanic descent on the stage.
as a matter of fact, you are the first hispanic candidate ever to win a caucus or primary. and yet there is the -- and yet there is the perception in the latino community that instead of trying to prove to latinos who has the best plan, the best platform to help them, that you two are spending the time arguing with each other, trying to figure out which one is tougher on immigration, in order to appeal to the majority of republicans. so my question to you is, are you missing a huge opportunity to expand the republican base? >> well, maria, listen. you are right. it is extraordinary that out of the five people standing on this stage, that two of us are the children of cuban immigrants. it really is an embodiment of the incredible opportunity and
promise this nation provides. you know, i would note that a lot of folks in the media have a definition of hispanics that you could only be hispanic if you're liberal. that makes sense in the media, but i've got to tell you, one of the things i was most proud of, when i ran for senate here in texas, i earned 40% of the hispanic vote here in texas, at the same time, mitt romney was getting clobbered with 27% of the hispanic vote nationwide. and the reason is, as you know, you look at the values in the hispanic community, the values in our community are faith, family, patriotism. you know, we've got the highest rate of military enlistment among hispanics of any demographic in this country. and when i campaigned and i campaigned the same here in houston or dallas, as i did down in the rio grande valley, defending conservative principles, defending judeo-christian principles, telling my father's story. telling my dad's story of coming to america with $100 in his underwear, not speaking english, washing dishes, having hopes and dreams for the american dream, and the truth is, the obama/clinton economy has done enormous damage to the hispanic community. it is not working in the hispanic community, and i am fighting so that everyone who is struggling in the hispanic community and beyond will have a
fair and even shake at the american dream. >> maria, i was mentioned in that. >> governor kasich -- >> i was mentioned. i'll be brief. a couple points. number one, i do think it's amazing that on the stage tonight, there are two descends of immigrants of cuban origin and an african-american. we are the party of diversity. not the democratic party. and the second point i would make is that we have to move past this idea that somehow the hispanic community only cares about immigration. yes, it's an important issue, because we know and love people that have been impacted by it. but i'm going to tell you, the most powerful sentiment in the hispanic community, as it is in every immigrant community is the burning desire to leave your children better off than yourself. and you can only do that through free enterprise. that's what we stand for. not socialism, like bernie sanders and increasingly hillary clinton.
>> governor kasich, after the last presidential election, the republican party realized that in order to win the presidency, it needed the support of latinos. guidelines as to how to accomplish that were spelled out in an autopsy report that concluded, and i'm going to quote it, if hispanic americans hear that the gop in the united states, they won't pay attention to our next sentence. so do you think that your fellow republican candidates get it? >> well, i'm not going to talk about that. i've got to tell you, i was with this little 12-year-old girl, was at a town hall meeting, and she said, you know, i don't like all this yelling and screaming at the debates. my mother's thinking i might not be able to watch the thing anymore. i think we ought to move beyond that. about what they think. i'm going to tell you what i think. my position on this whole
immigration issue has been clear from the beginning. i haven't changed anything with it. and, look, my view is, we need economic growth. everything starts with economic growth. and how do you get it? common sense regulations, lower taxes for both business and individuals, and, of course, a fiscal plan that balances the budget. that gives you economic growth. i did it when i was in washington, as the budget committee chairman, negotiating actually with democrats, that gave us surpluses, economic growth, and the same thing in ohio. but here's the thing that i believe. economic growth is not an end unto itself. we have no make sure that everybody has a sense that they can rise. of course, our friends in the hispanic community, our friends in the african-american community, the promise of america is that our system, when we follow the right formula, is going to give opportunity for everyone. it's what jack kemp used to say. a rising tide lifts all boats, not just some boats, but all boats. and you know what? with me in the hispanic community, i think they like me. and i appreciate that, because i want them to have the same opportunity that i and my children and my wife and the people we love have had in this country.
it's time to solve problems. >> dr. carson, concerning this recommendation of the report, are you, as a candidate, getting it? >> i didn't hear the first part of the question? >> the first part of the question is, there was a report that recommended that in order to approach hispanics and bring them to vote for the republican party, certain things needed to happen. and one of them was that they shouldn't feel like they were going to get kicked out of the united states, otherwise they wouldn't pay attention to one more sentence from candidates. >> okay, well, first of all, let me just mention that last year at the national association for latino elected officials, i was the only one of 17 republican candidates to go there. and the reason that i don't fear going to an organization like that is because the message that i give is the same message to every group. you know, this is america. and we need to have policies that are, that give liberty and
justice to all people and that's the way that i have fashioned virtually every policy, looking at that. and that's the way the republican party generally thinks. we don't pick and choose winners and losers. we are compassionate. but real compassion is providing people with a ladder of opportunity to climb up from a state of dependents, to become part of the fabric of america. when we begin to emphasize that, i think we will attract everybody. >> mr. trump, it is common knowledge that the hispanic vote is very important in this race. you keep saying that hispanics love you. >> true. >> and, yes, you won the hispanic vote in nevada. >> true. >> but a brand-new telemundo poll says that three out of four hispanics that vote nationwide have a negative opinion of you. they don't like you. wouldn't that make you an unelectable -- >> no. >> -- candidate in a general election?
>> first of all, i don't believe anything telemundo says. >> you used to say that you love -- >> number one. number two. i currently employee thousands of hispanics, and over the years, i've employed tens of thousands of hispanics. they're incredible people. they know, and the reason i won in nevada, not only one the big one, but i also won subs, like, as an example, i won with women. i won with every single category. i won with men, i won with high-income, i won with low-income, i won with hispanics and i got 46%. nobody else was close. because they know i'm going to bring jobs back from china, from japan, from so many other places. they get it. they're incredible people, they're incredible workers, they get it. and i've won many of the polls with hispanics. i didn't maybe win the telemundo poll, but one thing i'm also going to go, i'm bringing a lot
of people in who are democrats, who are independents, and you're seeing with the polls. because if you look at anywhere, look at any of the elections. every single election, it's been record-setting. and the good news is, for the republican party, the democrats are getting very poor numbers in terms of bringing them in. we're getting record-setting numbers. i think i have something to do with that. we're getting record-setting numbers. and i won every one -- the three of them that i won, i won with record-setting numbers. new people are coming into the republican party. we are building a new republican party, a lot of new people are coming in. >> for the record, you have said, publicly, that you love telemundo in the past. but it is not just a telemundo poll. >> i love them. i love them. >> all right, well, it's not the only poll. >> they're fine. you know what, they're fine. >> let me finish, please. >> they're fine. >> just last night, "the washington post" showed that 80% of hispanic voters in their polls have a negative view of you. and concerning the nevada victory, allow me to explain that the poll in nevada was based on a tiny sample, statistically insignificant, of only like a hundred -- >> oh, i see. >> -- let me finish, please. of 100 republicans in the state of nevada. i am making reference to hispanic voters nationwide in a general election. >> i'm just telling you, i'm doing very well with hispanics. and by the way, i settled my suit, as you know, with univision. it was settled. we're good friends now. it was all settled. done. very happy. very happy. very good people. but i'm just telling you, i'm just telling you that i will do really well with hispanics. i will do better than anybody on this stage. i have respect for the people on this stage. but i will do very well with hispanics. but i'm telling you also, i'm bringing people, democrats over, and i'm bringing the independents over, and we're building a much bigger, much stronger republican party. >> mr. trump, thank you. i want to turn our attention now
concerning the nevada victory, allow me to explain that was based on a tiny poll of only a hundred hispanics in nevada. i am making reference to hispanic voters nationwide in a general election. >> i'm just telling you i'm doing very well with hispanics and, by the way, i settled my suit with univision. very happy. very good people. i will do really well with hispanics. i will do better than anyone on the stage. i will do very well with hispanics. i am bring people over, and we're building a much stronger
right to bear arms. in the past republican presidents always promised to nominate strict constitutionalists. i'm certain if you took a survey, everyone would say they would did that. but the reality is democrats bat about 1,000. republicans have batted worse than 500. more than half of the people we put on the court have been a disaster. i've spent my whole life fighting to defend the bill of rights and the constitution. and i can tell you that for voters that care about life or liberty or the second amendment, they're asking the question, who do you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, who do you know will nominate principled constitutionalists to the court, i give you my word, every justice i nominate will vigorously defend the bill of rights for my children and for
yours. >> mr. trump, senator cruz mentioned the issue that keeps me up at night, which is religious liberty. churches, catholic and christian colleges, catholic adoption agencies, all sorts of religious institutions fear that hobby lobby, if it's repealed, it was a 5-4 decision, they're going to have to bend their knee and provide morning-after pills. they fear that if bob jones is expanded, they will lose their tax exemption. will you commit to voters tonight that religious liberty will be an absolute litmus test for anyone you appoint, not just to the supreme court, but to all courts. >> yes, i would. and i've been there and i've been there very strongly. i do have to say something, and this is interesting and it's not anybody's fault, it's not ted's fault. justice roberts was strongly recommended and pushed by ted. justice roberts gave us obamacare. might as well be called roberts'care. two times of the supreme court, justice roberts approved something that he should have never raised his hand to approve. and we ended up with obamacare. that is a rough thing, and i know ted feels badly about it, and i think he probably still respects the judge, but that judge has been a disaster in
terms of everything we stand for. because there is no way, no way that he should have approved obamacare. now, with that being said, these are the things that happen. but ted very, very strongly pushed judge roberts and justice roberts gave us something that we don't want. >> ted cruz, senator, the chief justice got hobby lobby right, but what do you make of mr. cruz's criticism? >> listen, donald knows that it was george w. bush that nominated justice roberts. yes, it's true, i supported the republican nominee once he was made. but i would not have nominated roberts, i would have nominated my former boss, mike lewdick. and it's interesting that donald says he will appoint justices that will defend religious liberty, but this is a man for 40 years has given money to jimmy carter, to joe biden, to hillary clinton, to chuck schumer, to harry reid. nobody who supports far-left liberal democrats who are fighting for judicial activists
can possibly care about having principled constitutionalists on the court. and what donald has told us is he will go to washington and cut a deal. so that means on supreme court, he's going to look to cut a deal rather than fight for someone who won't cut a deal on the constitution, but will defend it faithfully. >> can i trust you on religious liberty? >> let me just say this. i watch ted, and i respect him, but he gets nowhere, stand on the senate floor for a day or two days and talk and talk and talk. i watched the other senators laughing and smiling. and when ted was totally exhausted, he left the senate floor and they went back to work. we have to have somebody who make deals. it's wonderful to stand up and do that. i have a sister who's a brilliant -- excuse me! she's a brilliant judge. he's been criticizing my sister for signing a certain bill. you know who else signed that bill? justice samuel alito, a very
conservative member of the supreme court, with my sister, signed that bill. so i think that maybe we should get a little bit of an apology from ted. what do you think? >> let me -- senator. >> let me tell you right now, donald, i will not apologize for a minute for defending the constitution. i will not apologize for defending the bill of rights. and i find it amazing that your answer to hugh and to the american people is on religious liberty you can't have one of the these crazy zealots that actually believes in it. you've got to be willing to cut a deal. and you know, there is a reason why when harry reid was asked of all the people on this stage, who does he want the most, who does he like the most, harry reid said, donald trump. why? because donald has supported him in the past, and he knows he can cut a deal with him. you know what, with donald, i don't want a supreme court justice that you cut a deal with harry reid to undermine religious liberty, because that same justice will also erase the second amendment from the bill of rights. >> when you say crazy zealot, are you talking about you? crazy zealot. give me a break.
>> senator rubio, you've heard this exchange on religious liberty. you said that religious liberty will trump even the ability of people to stay away from same-sex marriages, not provide flowers, not provide baked goods, et cetera. are you satisfied with this exchange on religious liberty? >> i think you ask a very important question. because the issue here, the next president of the united states has to fill this vacancy. justice scalia, in the history of the republic, there has never been anyone better than him at standing for the principle that the constitution is not a living and breathing document, it is supposed to be applied as originally meant. and the next president of the united states must be someone you can trust and believe in, so you can appoint someone just as good as scalia, and there could be two other vacancies. you ask mr. trump to respond and say that he would, and he says that he would. but if you look at his record over the last 25 to 30 years, on issue after issue, he has not been on our side. if he's changed, we're always looking for converts into the conservative movement. the bottom line is, you don't have a record there to look at and say, i feel at peace, that when donald trump is president of the united states, he's going to be firmly on our side, on these issues.
in fact, very recently, he was still defending planned parenthood. he says he's not going to take sides in the palestinians versus israel. these are concerning things. and so, yes, i have a doubt about whether donald trump, if he becomes president, will replace justice scalia with someone just like justice scalia. >> mr. trump? and i wouldn't fund it. i would defund it because of the abortion factor, which they say is 3%. i don't know what percentage it
but millions of women are helped by planned parenthood. >> governor kasich? back to religious liberty. you've been a little bit less emphatic. you've said same-sex couple approaches a cupcake maker, sell them a cupcake. can we trust you as much on religious liberty as the rest of these people? >> i mean, of course. and i was involved in just being a pioneer in a new church. religious institutions should be able to practice the religion that they believe in. no question and no doubt about it. now, in regard to same-sex marriage, i don't favor it. i've always favored traditional marriage, but, look, the court has ruled and i've moved on. and what i've said, hugh, is that, look, where does it end? if you're in the business of selling things, if you're not going to sell to somebody you don't agree, okay, today i'm not going to sell to somebody who's gay, and tomorrow maybe i won't sell to somebody who's divorced.
if you're in the business of commerce, conduct commerce. that's my view. and if you don't agree with their lifestyle, say a prayer for them when they leave and hope they change their behavior. but when it comes to the religious institutions, they are in inviolate in my mind, and i would fight for those religious institutions. and look, i've appointed over a hundred judges as governor. i even appoint adjudge to the ohio supreme court. and you know what they are? they're conservatives. go check it out. they are conservatives, they don't make the law, they interpret the law. that's all they do. and they stick by the constitution. so i will do that. but let's just not get so narrow here as to gotcha this or that. i think my position is clear. >> dr. carson, let me wrap it up with you. are their positions clear? are the positions you've heard clear about the first amendment and the first freedom? >> well, first of all, let me just add my praise to justice scalia. i first met him when we got an honorary degree together a long time ago.
a tremendous wit and intellect. as far as religious freedom is concerned, one of the basic tenants of this nation, and i believe that the constitution protects all of our rights. and it gives people who believe in same-sex marriage the same rights as everybody else. but what we have to remember is even though everybody has the same rights, nobody get extra rights. so nobody gets to redefine things for everybody else and then have them have to conform to it. that's unfair. and this is the responsibility of congress to come back and correct what the supreme court has done. that's why we have divided government. and we're going to have to encourage them to act in an appropriate way, or we will lose our religious freedom. and as president, i will go through and i will look at what a person's life has been. what have they done in the past, what kind of judgments have they made? what kind of associations do they have? that will tell you a lot more
than an interview will tell you. the fruit salad of their life is what i will look at. >> thank you, dr. carson. all of you want to repeal and replace obamacare, so let's talk about your plan, specific plans to replace it. political correspondent, dana i want to bring in our chief bash. >> senator rubio, you said yesterday, right here in houston, that mr. trump thinks that part of obamacare is pretty good. so, he says he is going to repeal obamacare. are you saying that you're worried he won't? >> he said he likes the individual mandate portion of it. which i don't believe, that shouldn't be part of it. that should not remain there. i think here's what we need to replace it with. we need to repeal obamacare completely and replace it with a system that puts americans in charge of their health care money again. if your employer wants to buy health insurance for you, they can continue to do so so from any company in america they want to buy it from. otherwise, your employers can provide you health care money, tax-free, not treated as income, and you can use that money only for health care, but you can use it to fund health care any way you want, fully fund a health
savings account, the combination of a health savings account or a private plan from any country or any state in the country. and if you don't have that, then you will have a refundable tax credit that will provide you money to fund your own health care. and i think that's a much better approach than obamacare. it's not only bad for health care, but bad for our country. it's forcing people to lay people off, cut people's hours, move people to part-time. it's a job-killing law and i will repeal it as president and we will replace it with something substantially better for all americans. >> mr. trump, senator rubio just said that you support the individual mandate. >> i just want to say, i agree with that 100%, except pre-existing conditions, i would absolutely get rid of obamacare, we'll something much better, but pre-existing conditions, when i'm referring to that, and i was referring to that very strongly on the show with anderson cooper, i want to key pre-existing conditions. i think we need it. i think it's a modern age, and i think we have to have it.
>> okay, so let's talk about pre-existing conditions. what the insurance companies say, is that the only way they can cover people is to have a mandate requiring everybody purchase health insurance. are they wrong? >> i think they're wrong 100%. what we need -- look, the insurance companies take care of the politicians. the insurance companies get what they want. we should have gotten rid of the lines around each state so we could have real competition. we thought that was gone. we thought those lines were going to be gone and something happened at the last moment where obamacare got approved and all of that was thrown out the window. the reason is some of the people in the audience are insurance people and insurance lobbyists and special interests. they got -- i'm not going to point to these gentleman. of course, they're part of the problem, other than ben, in all fairness, and actually, the governor too. let's just talk about these two, okay? because i don't think the governor had too much to do with this. but we should have gotten rid of the borders, gotten rid of the lines around the state so there's great competition. the insurance companies are
making a fortune on every single thing they do. i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm the only one in either party self-funding my campaign. i'm going to do what's right. we have to get rid of the lines around the states, so there's serious, serious competition. and you're going to see -- excuse me. then you're going to see pre-existing conditions and everything else be part of it, but the price will be done. and the insurance companies can pay. right now, they're making a fortune. >> just to be specific here, what you're saying is getting rid of the barriers between states, that is going to solve the problem of pre-existing -- >> that's going to solve a lot of the problems. and the insurance companies aren't going to say that, they want to keep it. they'll say whatever they have to say to keep it the way it is. i know the insurance companies. they're friends of mine. the top guys, they're friends of mine. i shouldn't tell you guys, it's terrible, you'll say i have a conflict of interest. they're friends of mine. some of them are in the audience. one of them was waving to me, he was laughing and smiling. he's not laughing so much anymore. hi. but you know what? the insurance companies are making an absolute fortune.
yes, they will keep pre-existing conditions and that would be a great thing. get rid of obamacare, we'll come up with new plans, but we should keep pre-existing conditions. >> and i mentioned in his response, so if i may about the insurance companies, you may not be aware of this, donald, because you don't follow this stuff very closely, but here's what happened. when they passed obamacare, they put a bailout fund in obamacare. all of these lobbyists they keep talking about, they put a bailout fund in the law that would allow taxpayer money to be used to bail out companies when they lost money. and we led the effort and wiped out that bailout fund. the insurance companies aren't in favor of me. they hate that. they're suing to get that bailout money to be put back in. this is an important thing. what is your plan, i understand the lines around the state, whatever that means. this is not a game where you draw maps -- >> you don't know what it means. that is the problem. >> what is your plan? >> the biggest problem, he doesn't know. the biggest problem he's got is he dount know. >> what's his plan? >> i watched him melt down two weeks ago with chris christie, i've got to tell you, the biggest problem he's got is he
really don't know about the lines. the biggest thing we've got and the reason we have no competition is because we have lines around the state and you have -- >> you already mentioned that as part of my plan. i know what that is. what else is part of your plan? the only thing is to get rid of the lines around the states? what else is part of your health care? >> what the lines around the state means -- and you were almost done. excuse me. excuse me. excuse me. >> what's your plan? >> brings in competition. when you get rid of the lines, it brings in competition. so instead of having one insurance company taking care of new york or texas, you'll have many. they'll compete. and it will be a beautiful thing. >> right and what -- so that's the only part of the plan? just the lines. the interstate competition? >> the nice part about -- you have many different plans. you'll have competition. you'll have so many different plans. >> now he's repeating himself. >> no, i'm not -- no, no, no, no. >> mr. trump? >> no, no, no.
>> i don't repeat myself. i don't repeat myself. >> you don't repeat yourself? >> here's the guy who repeats himself. i don't -- >> you repeat yourself every day. >> talking about repeating. i watched him repeat himself five times four weeks ago -- >> i saw you repeat yourself five times four seconds ago. >> i watched him. i watched him melt down on the stage like i've never seen anybody -- >> let's stay -- >> -- swimming pool. >> i said -- >> let's talk about your plan. >> he says five things, everyone's dumb, he's going to make america great again. win, win, win. he's winning in the polls. and the lines around the states. every night. same thing. >> senator rubio. >> i tell the truth. i tell the truth. >> you will have time to respond, if you can just let mr. trump respond. if you can talk a little bit more about your plan. >> we're going to have many different plans --
>> he's done it again! >> there's going to be competition. there is going to be competition among all of the states and the insurance companies. they're going to have many, many different plans >> is there anything else that you would like to add to that? >> no, there's nothing to add. what's to add? what is to add? >> thank you both. >> all right. >> governor kasich. you have said it is, quote, un-american to deny someone health insurance if they have a pre-existing condition. would you leave the individual mandate in place, requiring all americans to purchase insurance? >> no, i wouldn't. but that doesn't matter when it comes to the issue of pre-existing conditions. you don't want any american to lose their house, everything they've saved because they get sick. now, i think it is more complicated than what we've heard here tonight. we're actually running significant health reform in my state. i would repeal obamacare for a number of reasons. i would take several combined resources, freed up with the medicaid plan, and cover the people who are current the
working poor, because we don't want to have tens of millions of americans losing their health insurance. and then we're driving towards total transparency. the any of you here ever get a hospital bill, it's easier to interpret the dead sea scrolls than to understand your hospital bill. the fact is, what we need is transparency with hospitals and with the providers. and i'll tell you what we will do. we are actually going to make payments to physicians and to hospitals who actually deliver health care with great quality at low prices. we actually are going to make the market work. >> governor, let me go back to the original question about the individual mandate. in 1994, when you were in congress, you proposed a plan, requiring an individual mandate. so what changed? >> well, dana, the heritage foundation had this position as well. and when i look at it, i don't think it's tenable. and we don't need to do that. again, i'm telling you that we are going to -- we have a proposal, a plan that we're enacting now, that says, if you are a hospital or a doctor, and you're providing very
high-quality, at lower prices, below the mid-point, some charge high, some charge low. if you are below the mid-point, we are going to give you a financial reward for allowing you to provide services that result in high quality for our people at lower prices. that is the way in which we are going to tamp down the rising costs of health care. because if you think about your own deductibles today, they're going higher and higher and higher. and you know what, at some point, people can't afford it. our plan will work. it uses the market. it uses transparency. it gets the patient in the middle. and guess what, we're actually doing it in my state, the seventh largest state in the country. and this will go national, we will get our hands on health care where you will know what's going on. we will pay for quality, lower prices, and we will begin to see health care become affordable in america. and where people will also be able to have health insurance, even if they have a pre-existing condition. we don't want to throw millions of people out into the cold and not have the health insurance, dana.
so that's really what we're doing. this is not a theory. this is what we are actually doing in our state. we will begin payments next year, based on supposed that we have in our lives. if our primary care physicians keep us healthy for a year, with really high quality, guess what, they will get a financial reward. our primary care physicians need help, they need support, we're reducing them. this will allow them to get a reward for doing a great job. >> governor kasich, thank you. >> thank you. >> dr. carson. dr. carson, you have dealt with the sickest of patients. you support covering pre-existing conditions. how would you change obamacare, but maintain that coverage? >> first of all, health care is not a right, but i do believe it is a responsibility for a responsible society, and we are that. we spend almost twice as much per capita on health care as many other nations who have actually much better access than we do.
i propose a system in which we use health empowerment accounts, which are like a health savings account, with no bureaucrats, and we give it to everybody from birth until death, they can pass it on when they die. we pay for it with the same dollars that we pay for traditional health care with. we give people the ability to shift money within their health empowerment account, within their family. so dad's $500 short, mom can give it to him, or cousin or uncle, and it makes every family their own insurance carrier, with no middleman. it gives you enormous flexibility. and also, you know, if uncle joe is smoking like a chimney, everybody's going to hide his cigarettes, because they're all interested in what's going on there. and also, your catastrophic health care is going to cost a lot less money now. because the only thing coming out of that is catastrophic health care. so, it's like a homeowner's policy, with a large deductible, versus a homeowner's policy where you want every scratch covered. one costs $1,500 a year, one costs $10,000 a year.
you can buy the $1,500 one. that will take care of 75% of the people. the people who are indigent, how do we take care of them now? medicaid. what's the medicaid budget, almost $500 billion. almost 80 million people participate, which is way too many, and that will get a lot better when we fix the economy, which i hope we get a chance to talk about. but over $5 million for each man, woman, and child. and they could have a lot more flexibility. you could buy a concierge practice and you could still have thousands of dollars left over. >> thank you. >> let me just finish. because i don't get to talk that much. and let's -- you have the money that's left over to buy your catastrophic insurance. but most importantly, we give them a menu, just like we do on medicare part "c," and they have the choices that will allow them not only to have catastrophic health care, but drug care, and everything else. it will be such a good program, that nobody will want obamacare
after that. and that's probably the best way to do it, although if anybody still did, i would still defund it. >> thank you. thank you, dr. carson. let's talk about the economy. let's talk about -- >> wolf, wolf, wolf. does everyone get to address obamacare but me? >> i want to move on, but there'll be plenty of opportunities for you to address -- >> it's kind of an issue i have a long history with. >> i know you do. all right, go ahead. >> thank you, wolf. >> how do you get that extra time, cruz? you're very good at -- >> you know, this is another issue on which donald and i have sharp disagreements on planned parenthood. he thinks planned parenthood is wonderful. i would instruct the department of justice to investigate them and prosecute any and all criminal violations. on obamacare, both donald and i say we want to end it, but for very different reasons. i want to end it because it's gone too far, it's killed millions of jobs, and it's hurting people's health care. donald wants to end it, because he says it doesn't go fairly near enough. and what was amazing in that exchange that's missing is that
for decades donald has been advocating socialized medicine. what he's said is that the government should pay for everyone's health care. and a couple of debates ago, he said, if you don't support socialized health care, you're heartless. social democrats have been saying that for years. if you're a small business owner, donald trump's socialized medicine, putting the government in charge of your health care would kill more jobs than obamacare, and if you're elderly, the results of socialized medicine in every country on earth where it's been implemented has been rationing, has been the government saying, no, you don't get that hip replacement, you don't get that knee replacement, the government is in charge of your health care. i'll tell you that. as president, i will repeal every word of obamacare. >> thank you, thank you. mr. trump? >> i do not want socialized medicine, just so you understand. he goes around saying, he wants it. i do not want socialized medicine. i do agree with him, it's going to be a disaster, obamacare, for the economy. in 2016, it will be impossible for us the to pay for it if you
look at what's going on. that's why it has to be repealed. for a lot of reasons, number one, it doesn't work. number two, you look at premiums going up, 25, 35, even 45%. and more. we have to get rid of obamacare. it is going to destroy our economy completely. our economy is not doing well. it is going to destroy our economy greatly. and on that, i agree. >> donald, true or false, you've said the government should pay for everyone's health care? >> that's false. >> you've never said that? >> i said it worked in a couple of countries -- >> you've never stood on this debate stage and says it works great in canada and scotland and we should do it here. >> no, i did not. >> did you say, if you want people to die on the street ifs you don't support socialized health care, you have no heart. >> correct. i will not let people die on the streets -- let me talk. >> explain your plan, please. >> my plan is simple. we'll have private health care, but i will not allow people to die on the sidewalks and the
streets of our country if i'm president. you may let it and you may be fine with it -- >> so does the government pay for everyone's health care? >> we are going -- >> yes or no. just answer the question? >> excuse me. we are going to take those people and those people are going to be serviced by doctors and hospitals. we're going to make great deals on it, but we're not going to let them die in the streets. >> who pays for it? >> i want to clarify something -- >> gentleman, please. >> that attack about letting people die in the streets -- >> gentleman, gentleman. all of you have agreed -- >> senator cruz -- >> call it what you want. >> it's a yes or no? >> call it what you want, people are not going to be dying on the sidewalk. >> all of you have agreed to the rules. i want to move on. we're talking about the economy right now. mr. trump, you want to cut taxes more than president ronald reagan did, more than president george h.w. bush did. the independent tax foundation says the cost to the country of your proposal would be about $10 trillion and that takes into
account the economic growth that would emerge from your proposed tax cuts. how would you cut $10 trillion over ten years, but make sure the country isn't saddled with even more debt? >> because the country will become a dynamic economy. it will be dynamic again. if you look at what's going on, we have the highest taxes anywhere in the world. we pay more business tax, we pay more personal tax. we have the highest taxes in the world. it's shutting off our economy. it's shutting off our economy. we have trillions of dollars we can't get in. we will do my tax plan and it will be great. we will have a dynamic economy again. >> what specific cuts will you make to pay for that tax cut? >> we're going to make many cuts in business. we're going to get rid of so many different things. the department of education, common core is out, we're going local. environmental protection. we waste all of this money.
we're going to bring that back to the states. we are going to cut many of the agencies, we will balance our budget and be -- >> mr. trump, if you eliminate those two agencies, that's a $76 billion. the current deficit is $544 billion. where are you going to come up with the money? >> waste, fraud and abuse all over the place. waste, fraud and abuse. you look at what's happening with social security, look at what's happening with every agency, waste, fraud and abuse. we will cut so much, your head will spin. >> governor kasich. when you were in congress, you were chairman of the budget committee, you helped craft the last balanced budget the united states had. can mr. trump's plan work?
>> i think it takes three things, wolf. i've done it. in order to get this economy moving again, you have to grow the economy and you have to restrain the spending. when i was chairman, we cut that capital gains tax and instituted a significant program to get the balance. we had the balanced budget four years in a row, had to take on every interest group in washington, every single one of them and we paid down a half a trillion of the national debt. why do you do it? because you want job growth. if you don't have regulatory reform, common sense regulations, reasonable tax cuts, which i have, and a fiscal plan, you won't do it. i inherited an an $8 billion hole in ohio, i have common sense regulations, i have tax cuts, the biggest of any governor in the country and we have a fiscal plan. it's not always cutting. it's innovating.
i've got a plan to take to washington and i will have it there in the first hundred days and it will ship welfare, shipping, transportation back to us so we can begin to be the laboratory of innovation. i've done it in ohio, we're growing, the jobs are up and people are having opportunity and i will go back to washington and do it again for the american people. i promise you that. within the first hundred days we will have the plan to get this done. >> thank you, governor. speaking of taxes -- >> i just want to say, and i'm a big fan of the governor but they will struck oil. that helped a lot. >> let me talk about that. of the over 400,000 jobs that we've created in the state, we
think maybe 15,000 are connected to this industry because it's early stage. what we've done in ohio and what a president needs do is to have a cabinet and a whole operation that's jobs friendly beep have diversified our economy. we have energy, we have medical devices, i.t., we just got amazon, their cloud computing in the midwest. you know why it's happening? we're balanced budgets, we're strong, we don't raise taxes. we will get the economic growth and that is what this country needs. jobs, jobs and jobs, period. >> mr. trump, yesterday the last republican presidential nominee mitt romney called on you to release your backs return saying there was good reason to believe there was a bombshell, he said you're not as wealthy as you said you were or you haven't
been giving the money to veterans or disabled people. are any of those accusations that he has leveled true? >> let me just explain. i was the first one to file a financial disclosure form, almost 100 pages. you don't learn anything about somebody's wealth about a telecommunication return. you learn it from statement. i filed which shows i'm worth over $10 billion. i built a great company with very little debt. people were shocked, the people in the back, the reporters they were shocked when they went down. i filed it on time. i didn't ask for five 40-day extensions, which i would have been entitled to. that's how you find out what kind of company. you don't letter anything from a tax return. i will say this. mitt romney looked like a fool when he delayed and delayed and delayed and harry reid baited him and mitt romney didn't file until a month and a half before
the election and it cost him big league. as far as my return, i want to file it except for many years, i've been audited every year. 12 years or something like that. every year they audit me, audit me, audit me. i have friends that are very wealthy people. i will absolutely give my return but i'm being audited now for two or three now so i can't do it until the audit is finished obviously and i think people would understand that. hugh, go ahead. >> mr. trump. >> are you going to ask anybody else that question? >> amen, amen. i know i'm here for the ratings but it's a little bit ridiculous. >> a year ago you told me on my radio show that you would release your tax returns. >> true. >> are you going back on why are commitment? >> first of all, very few people listen to your radio show.
that's the good news. which happens to be true. check out the ratings. look, let me just tell you something. i want to release my tax returns but i can't release it while i'm under an audit. we're under a routine audit. obviously if i'm being audited, i'm not going to release the return. as soon as the audit is done, i love it. >> senator rubio, mitt romney also called upon to you release your tax returns. your campaign said last spring you would release your returns you had not previously released. you say coming out any day momentarily. when are we going to see your returns? >> tomorrow or saturday. there's nothing what interesting in them. i have no problem releasing them. luckily i'm not being audited. but i want to go back to the question you asked about the debt. this is an important issue. it a huge issue.
this less than five years, 38% of our entire budget will be made up of social security, medicare, medicaid and the interest on the debt. that means only 17% of our budget will be for things like the military or the department of education or environmental protection issues. you cannot balance our budget unless you deal with that 83%. which i've been repeatedly talking about since my time in the senate, in florida, where there are a lot of people like my mother who need those programs, by reforming the program for future generations. wolf, you did not get an answer to your question. this debt issue -- the next president of the united states will not be able to serve four to eight years without dealing with the national debt. it is not a question of if. it is a question of when we have a debt crisis. we should not leave the stage here tonight without hearing a serious answer from every one of us about how we are going to deal with the national debt once and for all.
>> i'm being fair to all of the candidates. senator cruz, tuesday is five days away. why haven't voters seen your 2012, 2013 and 2014 returns? >> so, i've released five years of tax returns already. we will have two more years available tomorrow. and i would note that this question really goes -- donald says he's being audited. well, i would think that would underscore the need to release those returns. if he has said something that is false and that an audit is going to find is fraudulent, the voters need to know. listen, people across this country, we recognize our country's in crisis. the most important question is how do we win the general election in november 2016 and roughly 65% of republicans think donald is not the right candidate to go against hillary clinton. now, part of the reason -- he's lost to hillary on eight of them.
i either tied or beat hillary and this is an example. the mainstream media is laying off donald now. they're going to pick apart his taxes, pick apart his business deals. and let's take, for example, one of hillary as great vulnerabilities, the corruption at the clinton foundation, the fact she had ceos and foreign companies giving her money while she was secretary of state. the next republican nominee needs to be able to make that case against hillary. if donald tried to did it, hillary would turn to donald and say, but gosh, donald, you gave $100,000 to the clinton foundation and i went to your wedding we can't nominate someone who loses to hillary clinton in november. >> at the beginning i said openly to everybody that i contribute to many, many politicians, both republican and democrat. i have over the years. i'm a businessman. i have over the years.
i sort of have to laugh when ted makes a big deal out of the fact that he's doing well in the polls. i'm beating him in virtually every poll. i'm tied in texas, which i shouldn't be. a poll just came out of bloomberg that i'm beating him so badly that it's embarrassing for me to save i'm beating them that badly. i just got 36% of the vote, i just got 46% on another one. i got 38% on another one. and he got 20 and 22 and he lost in south carolina so badly, that was going to be his strong hold. he said a year ago, i can't lose south carolina. i beat him in a landslide. last week in nevada, i beat him in a land slide. hillary clinton irk take a look at "usa today," take a look at the q poll, i beat her and beat her badly and i only had one
little interchange and that was four weeks ago when she said i was sexist and believe me, they had a rough weekend that weekend between he and hillary. >> he attacked me. >> i was about to say to respond. >> he went on a tirade but he didn't address the substantial. he can release past year tax returns, he doesn't want to did it. it there's nothing, release them tomorrow. they're already prepared. the only reason he's not releasing them -- >> marco made reference earlier to the litigation against trump university. it's a fraud case. his lawyers have scheduled a trial for july. i you want to think about if this man is the nominee, having the republican nominee on the stand in court being cross-examined about whether he committed fraud. you don't think the mainstream
media will go crazy on that? on substance how do we nominate a candidate who has said hillary clinton was the best secretary of state of modern times, agreed with her on foreign policy, agreed with bernie sanders on health care, agreed with barack obama on the wall street bailout. a candidate who agrees hillary clinton and can't take it to her and beat her on the debate stage and at the polls. >> hold on -- >> first of all, talking about the polls, i'm beating him awfully badly in the polls. >> but you're not beating hillary. >> hey, if i can't beat her, you're really going to get killed, aren't you? so let me ask you this because you're really getting beaten badly. i know you're embarrassed and i know you're embarrassed but keep fighting, swing for the fences. trump university is a civil case.
it's a case that is nonsense. it's something i could have settled many times, i could settle it right now for very little money with you i don't want do it out the principle. the people that took the course, all signed report cards saying it was fantastic, wonderful, beautiful. i'll win that case, easy case. civil case. number two, as far as the taxes are concerned, i'm being audited. it's a very routine audit and it's very unfair because i've been audited for i think over 12 years, every year because of the size of my company, which is very, very large, i'm being audited, which is a very large company. i'm being audited 12 years in a row least. now, until that audit's done and i don't think anybody would blame me, i'm not giving it -- >> thank you, thank you. >> what about the years you're not being audited, would you give those? >> i'm being audited -- >> you don't know what years you're being audited for? >> we're going to take a quick break.
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gentlemen, i want to turn our attention right now to key issues involving foreign policy and national security. and, mr. trump, i'll begin with you. you said this about the ongoing conflict between the israeli and the palestinians. i'm quoting you now, "let me be sort of a neutral guy. i don't want to say whose fault it is. i don't think it helps." >> right. >> how do you remain neutral when the u.s. considers israel to be america's closest ally in the middle east? >> well, first of all, i don't think they do under president obama because i think he's treated israel horribly. i was the grand marshall down 5th avenue a number of years ago on the israeli day prepared. i received the tree of life award and many of the greatest awards given by israel. as president, however, there is nothing i would rather do than to bring peace to israel and its neighbors generally.
i think it serves no purpose to say that you have a good guy and a bad guy. now, i may not be successful in doing it, it's probably the toughest negotiation anywhere in the world of any kind. it doesn't help if i start saying i'm very pro israel. more than anybody on the stage but it doesn't do any good to start demeaning the neighbors because would i love to did something with negotiating peace, finally for israel, and for their neighbors. as a negotiators, i cannot doing that if i'm taking big, big sides. with that being said, i am totally pro israel. >> senator cruz. >> this is another area on which donald agrees with hillary clinton and which i disagree with them both strongly. both donald and hillary clinton want to be neutral between israel and the palestinians. if i'm president, america will
stand unapologetically with the nation of israel. and the notion of neutrality is based upon the left buying into this moral relativism that is often pitched in the media. lessen, it is not equivalent when you have terrorists strapping dynamite around their chest, exploding and murdering innocent women and children, it is not equivalent to the idf officers protecting recall. missing from donald's answer was anything he has done in his nearly 70 years of living defending israel. i have over and over again led the fight to defend israel, to fight for israel and this, if you want to know who will stand with israel, we ought to stand with who has stood with israel when the heat was on. >> mr. trump. >> i can only say i've been a big contributor to israel over the years. i've seen many rewards from
israel, have i a great relationship with israel. i'm going to keep it that way. if i could bring peace, that would be a fantastic thing. >> governor kasich, i want you to weigh in. >> after 9/11 the secretary of defense called me in to help out with some things. i've been a supporter of israel, strong supporter of israel longer than anyone on this stage. i've been standing with the israelis for a very long time. i think the problem we have in foreign policy is we are not certain with who we stand with and our enemies are moving. because they are not sure what we will do. it's a very interesting development here within the last 24 hours. we said to the south koreans we would give them the high altitude defense system. it really rattled the chinese. for the first time we took positive action, the chinese are beginning to take action against
north korea. when we stand firm and bring our allies together, that is the road forward. >> senator rubio, what's wrong with the u.s. being an honest broker in a negotiation as mr. trump is proposing? >> because i don't know if donald realizes this, it's not his intent i suppose, the position he's taken is an anti-israel position. you the palestinian authority has walked away from multiple efforts to make peace. very generous offers from the israelis. instead the palestinians teach their 4-year-old children that killing jews is a glorious thing. the next president of the united
states needs to be someone like me who will stand firmly on the side of israeli. i will be on israeli's side because they are the only pro american, free enterprise democracy in the middle east. >> mr. trump. i'm a negotiator. i've done very welfare reform over the years through negotiation. it's very important that we do that. in all fairness, marco is not a negotiator. i've watched him melt down and it's one of the saddest things i've ever seen. >> he thinks the palestinians are a real estate deal. the palestinians are not a real estate deal. >> a deal is a del. >> a del is not a deal when you're dealing with terrorists. >> you are not a investigator. you are not a investigator.
and with your thinking, you will never bring peace. you will never bring peace. >> donald might able to build condos in the palestinian areas, but this is not a real estate deal. >> he will never be able to do it. i think i may able to did it, though i are say this, probably the toughest deal any kind is that particular deal. >> let's move on to talk about north korea. the threat posed by north korea to the united states and its allies. the commander of forces in south korea said kim jung un would use a weapons of mass destruction if he felt threatened. let's be clear, are you talking about getting rid of kim jung un? >> regime change means regime change. >> there's so much chaos in
north korea right now. >> there's a lot of reports of uncertainty and instability in that government. here's what i think we ought to do immediately and we've been kicking the can down the road on this for, i don't know, 15 years. we should be intercepting the ships leaving south korea so they're not selling or giving this technology. we need to slap tougher sanctions on north korea because we don't have the toughest sanctions on north korea. we ought to talk about arming south korea with ballistic missile technology and japan with ballistic missile. we have the attention of the chinese. the chinese are the best way to calm that regime down and get them in a position where they back off. but when you say regime change, i don't have to talk exactly what that means. look, i've been involved in national security for a long time. you don't have to spell everything out. but what i'm telling you is you
look for any means you can to be ail to solve that problem in north korea and in the meantime put the pressure on the chinese and what we're doing is beginning to work against them. they are the key to being able to settle this situation. >> i just want to be precise, governor kasich because this is critically important. there a million north korean troops north of the dmz, 28,000 u.s. troops along the dmz right in between. would you risk war for regime change? >> wolf, again, it would depend exactly what was happening, what the situation was. with you if there was an opportunity to remove the lead are of north korea and create stability -- if you keep kicking the can down the road, we're going to face this sooner or later. i'm also aware of the fact there's 10 million people living in seoul. have i put it on the table i would love to see regime change in north korea.
the fact is we have to bring everything to bare, we have be firm and unite those people in that part of the world to stand firmly against north korea and make sure we have the ballistic missile technology to defend ourselves. >> mr. trump. >> i think we are in a position -- we owe $19 trillion because of the horrible omnibus budget approved, it's going to be $21 trillion. we can no longer defend all of these countries. you order televisions, whether it's a mercedes-benz or air conditioning unit, they're coming out of these countries. we are defending saudi arabia. they were making $1 billion a day. we defend all of these countries for peanuts. you talk about budgets.
we have to start getting reimbursed for taking care of the military services for all of these countries. >> dr. carson. >> let me just say this because he mentioned this. we're all in agreement that the japanese need to do more. we're all in agreement that the europeans need to did more. i hate to just tell everybody we are the leader of the world and we should put the pressure on them do their job. there is no question about it. but at the same time, we also have to rebuild the military. i have a balanced budget plan that cuts taxes, reforms regulations but also builds the military, puts $100 billion more in defense. we need to rebuild our defenses. but i must also tell you, we can't have a weapons system take 22.5 years. we have 800,000 bureaucrats working for d.o.d. when we ought
to be putting these resources into strengthening the military. so we can do it all. >> how would you deal with north korea, dr. carson. >> first of all, people say i whine a lot because i don't get time. i'm going to whine. i didn't ask about taxes. i didn't go asked about israel. i have to say about taxes. >> go ahead. this is your moment. >> we have a system of taxation in this country that is horribly wrong. you know, i never had an audit until i spoke at the national prayer breakfast and then all of a sudden they came in and sailed we want to look at your real estate dealings. they didn't find anything. so they said let's look at the whole year. they said let's look at the next year and the next year. they didn't find anything and they won't find anything because i'm an honest person.
the fact of the matter is the irs is not honest and we need to get rid of them. as far as israel is concerned, when i was there several months ago, i talked to a lot of people. i couldn't find a single one who didn't think that we had turned our backs on israel. you know, they a strategic partner for us but also recognize that we have a judeo christian foundation and the last thing we need to do is to reject israel. it doesn't mean that we can't be fair to other people. we can always be fair to other people, but, you know, it's like when you have a child. you want to be fair to all the children around but you have a special attention for your own child. now, as far as north korea is concerned, you know, kim jung un is an unstable person but he does understand strength. we have to present strength to
him beep should encourage the alliance with japan and south korea and the term high area of defense, that seems to disturb not only the north koreans but the chinese as well. and we also need to have a much more robust naval presence in that area. and i think we need to be developing strategic defense initiative. this man is going to have long-range missiles and nuclear capabilities, we need to be able to defend ourselves. we should make sure he knows if he ever shoots a missile at us, it will be the last thing he ever does. >> thank you. >> we're going to continue with national security. >> mr. trump, we are less than 24 hours away from a cease-fire in syria that has been brokered between the u.s. and russia. do you support this cease-fire? >> i really don't because it not working and the countries aren't
agreeing to it and the rebels aren't agreeing and the syrians aren't agreeing. it's a meaningless cease-fire. i love the idea of a cease-fire. it not working. we can do what we want with russia but nobody else is adhering to it. i would certainly love it, i would support it but all parties have to agree to it. >> russia has enhanced its position because of obama's weakness in the middle east, weakness in syria. as we're headed to november, we need no nominate a republican candidate that can lay out a clear difference with barack obama and hillary clinton on foreign policy. one of the real challenges with donald and senator rubio is they have agreed over and over again with both hillary clinton and barack obama. for example, in libya, both of them agreed with the obama/clinton policy of toppling
the government in libya. that was a disaster. it gave the country over to radical islamic terrorism and it endangered america. another example is john kerry. senator rubio voted to support john kerry and i voted against him. john kerry has been the most anti-israel secretary of state this country has ever seen. his diplomacy has been a disaster. it we nominate someone who agreed with john kerry, barack obama and hillary clinton on foreign policy, we're not in a strong position to win the general election. >> again, i think i gave them both checks to be exactly honest, i think they both liked me very much. >> but you gave bush a check and called him to be impeached? >> no, this was before. the check came early.
syria, he's saying i was in favor of syria. he's saying i was in favor of libya? i never discussed that subject. i was in favor of libya? we would be so much better off if gadhafi were in charge right now. if these politicians wept to the beach and we had saddam hussein and gadhafi in charge, instead of having terrorism all over the place, at least they killed terrorists. and i'm not saying they were good because they were really bad but we don't know what we're getting. you look at libya right now, isis as we speak is taking over their oil. as we speak, it's a total mess . we would have been better off if the politicians took a day off instead of going to war. >> senator rubio. >> we didn't topple gadhafi. the only question was does it happen quickly or take a long time? if it takes a long time, you're going to have rebel forces emerge.
that's where the term lead from behind came. that's the foreign policy that apparently senator cruz appears to agree with. every day john kerry went appointed was another day hillary clinton was still in charge of the state department. i couldn't imagine they'd find someone worse than her but this president never ceases to amaze. and on south korea, we're asking to be commander in chief. he's saying these guys need to do more. south korea contributes $800 million a year to that effort if we walk away from them, japan and south korea will become nuclear weapon powers. >> i never said walk away. i wouldn't want to walk away. i want them to pay us much more money.
we cannot afford to subsidize a lot. i'll negotiate a lot more money than you'll ever get. as far as john kerry is concern, there has been no tougher critic of this man, i think he negotiated one of the worst deals in the history of our country, the iran deal, where they get their $150 billion and all of the other things that take place. it is a disaster for this country and speaking of israel, it's a disaster for israel. i'm not fan of john kerry. >> senator cruz. >> it's interesting, donald just said he never came out in favor of toppling gadhafi in libya pup can see and hear the exact words from donald's mouth. maybe he forgot about it, i assume donald will apologize where he sees that he said exactly that. with regard to john kerry, i will say john kerry's foreign policy has been a disaster for decades. that's why i voted against him when it came up. the fact that donald would write him a check and support him for
bush shows his poor judgment. >> i asked is this an economic boycott against israel? together the heat and light put on the state department was so great that within 36 hours they lifted the ban on air flights into israel during that entire battle and i deed during every battle on israel the natural question is where was donald? if this is something he cares about, why has he supported anti-israel politicians from jimmy carter to hillary clinton to john kerry for four decades? in you care about israel, you don't write checks to politicians undermining israel. instead you stand and support the national security of america and -- >> there's a critical point that needs to be made here.
>> governor, he attacked mr. trump. mr. trump has a right to respond. >> my response is very simple. there is nobody on this stage that has done more for israel than i have. nobody. you might say, you might talk, you politicians, you are all talk and no action. this guy is a choke artist and that guy's a liar. you have a combination of factors. he can't do it because he doesn't know how to tell the truth. other it and that, i rest my case. >> this is the typical thing he does. >> i get a response to that. >> can somebody attack me, please. [ cheers and applause ]
>> i want to -- i want to point out something here today that is so critically important about how the obama administration has really done such a ridiculous, feckless job here in foreign policy. we should have been supporting the rebels long ago. they could have taken assad out and because we did nothing, the russians are in sitting in the cat bird seat. i'm thankful the aid trucks are finally getting into syria. had we had acted, we would have solved that problem. let's talk about libya. libya didn't go down because there was some people revolution. hillary clinton and all these other people convinced them to undermine gadhafi. isis is beginning to get a foot hold in libya. we have to deal with it. they're on the coast, mostly it's desert but it's a problem.
we is isis in syria and in iraq. because this administration has not had a strong foreign policy, one of us here is going to have to inherit a total mess. we need to arming the ukrainians and assert ourselves in america. >> let's continue the questioning on isis. >> wolf, you said i got a response. >> you'll have a chance. maria will pick up -- >> you're saying i can't respond to being called a liar? >> go ahead and respond. there what we're seeing with donald is actually the pattern of washington deal makers, which is they make promise, they break their words and then when anyone calls them on it, they call you a liar. that's donald's pattern over and over again. he said, for example, seven months ago, i, donald trump was a member of the establishment. there's a reason harry reid thinks he's the best republican
up here, a reason jimmy carter said he would support donald trump over me. he said donald trump is malleable, he has no fixed set of beliefs and ted cruz is not malleable. any time anyone points to his record, donald yells lying. falsely accusing someone of lying is itself a lie and something donald does daily. >> go ahead, mr. trump. >> i watched -- i watched the lobbyists. i watched what this man did to dr. ben carson, who i respect in iowa where he said that ben carson is out of the race, he has left iowa and he's out of the race and i thought it was disgraceful. and got a lot of votes because of that, took them away from ben carson. probably took them away from me, too. but i watched it. i also watched where he did a forum that looked like it came right out of a government agency
and it said on top voter violation. and they it graded you and it scared the hell out of people and it said the only way you clear up the violation essentially is to go and vote for ted cruz. i watched that fraudulent diamondback and i said it's the worst thing i've ever seen in politics. to me that was even worse than what he did to ben. i know politicians, believe it or not, better than you do and it's not good. >> oh, i believe. i believe you know politicians much better than i do because for 40 years you've been funding liberal democratic politicians. and by the way -- >> i funded you. >> can you have the check back. >> i gave you a check. >> you never funded me. >> and, by the way, let's be clear. >> donald claims to clear. >> he sent me his back with his autograph. "mr. trump, you're doing a great job." i have his book. thank you for the book.
>> donald, you can get back -- >> you're a lot of fun up here tonight, i have to tell you. thank you for the book. >> donald, relax. >> i'm relaxed. you're the basket case. don't get nervous. >> go ahead. >> i've seen you. >> you don't know what's happening. >> gentlemen, gentlemen. >> wolf, i'm going to ask my time not be deducted when he's yelling at me. >> hold on, i'm going to get my answer. these are the rules. >> wolf, do i not get a response in. >> you'll get plenty of response so stand by. >> my name was mentioned. >> i want to talk about isis right now and the federal government. how much best to keep americans safe from isis. there's a huge battle right now between the text giant apple and
the federal government. the federal government wants apple to unlock the phone used by that san bernardino terrorist to prevent future attacks. apple has refused saying it would compromise the security of all of its customers and just this afternoon they went to court to block the judge's order. dana bash, pick up the question. >> senator rubio, you say it's complicated and that apple isn't necessarily wrong to refuse the court order. why shouldn't investigators have everything at their disposal? >> the fbi made this clear 48 hours ago. the only thing they are asking of and certainly that apple allow them to use their own system in the fbi to try to guess the password of the san bernardino killer. apple said they're being ordered to create a back door program encryption device. that's not true. i think apple should comply.
they are not asking apple to create a back door encryption. >> if you are president, would you instruct your justice department to force apple to comply or not? >> to comply with an order to allow them to guess the password? absolutely. they're asking them to disable the self-destruct or all the owe erase on one phone in the entire world. they don't want to do it because they think it hurts their brand. their brand is not superior to the united states of america.
>> senator cruz, where do you stand, national security or personal privacy? >> well, as you know, at that same cnn forum, both marco and i were asked this question. his answer, he was on both sides of the fence. he's now agreeing with me so i'm glad. i said, yes, apple should be forced to comply with the court order. under the fourth amendment a search and seizure is reasonable if it has judicial authorization and cause. in this instance, the order is not put a back door in everyone as cell phone. if that was the order that, would be problematic because it would compromise security and safety for everyone. but on the question of unlocking this cell phone of a terrorist, we should enforce the court order and find out everyone that terrorist in san bernardino talked to on the phone, texted with, e-mailed and absolutely apple doesn't have a right to defy a valid court order in a terrorism investigation. >> dr. carson, tim cook, the ceo of apple says that this would be bad for america. what do you think?
>> i think allowing terrorists to get away with things is bad for america. you know, we have a constitution, we have the fourth amendment. it guards us against illegal and unreasonable search and seizure, but we have mechanisms in place with a judicial system that will allow us to gain material that is necessary to benefit the nation as a whole or the community as a whole. that's why we have pfizer courts and things of that nature. so absolutely i would expect and toll comply with the court order. if they don't comply with that, you're encouraging chaos in our system. >> mr. trump -- >> i want to weigh in on this, please. the problem is not right now between the administration and apple. you know what the problem is? where has the president been? you sit down in a back room with
the parties and work this out. up don't litigate this in the front of. newspapers. you know what you do when you're the president? you lock the door and you say you're not coming out until you reach an agreement that both gives the security people what they need and professional tickets the rights of americans. this is a failure of his leadership to get this done as an executive should be doing it. that's why you want a governor. i do this all the time. we reach agreements all the time because in the executive you've got to solve problems instead of fighting on the front page of the newspaper. >> thank you, governor. >> thank you. >> mr. trump, you have been very vocal about securing the mexican border, but isis has called upon its supporters to conduct
attacks in our neighbor to the north, canada. as a matter of fact, u.s. officials have warned that it is the canadian border which is the most significant threat. you have said that you will not build a wall in canada. when it comes to national security and the threat of terrorism, why does mexico need a wall and canada doesn't? isn't that like closing the front door and leaving the back door open? >> first of all, you're talking about a border that's many, many, many times longer. you're talking about a massive border. we have far less problem with that border than we do with our southern border. i had the privilege of winning by a landslide, by the way, new hampshire. you go to new hampshire, the first thing they talk about is heroin and drugs pouring in. you wouldn't think this beautiful place, beautiful with the trees and the roads and the countryside, their biggest problem is heroin. and it's such a shame to see it. they're pouring in from the southern border. i'm talking about great security, i'm talking a wall
that can absolutely be built. it will be a very high wall and -- it's going to be paid for by canada -- it's going to be paid for by mexico. you're talking -- the problem with border, you're talking about a border that would be four time longer. would be harder to do. i don't care what anyone says it, is not our big problem. our problem is not only people coming in and in many cases the wrong people, it's the tremendous amount of drugs that are coming in. >> i want to to you, senator rubio, about puerto rico. it is unable to pay its debt of $72 billion. it is asking for bankruptcy
protection, which will give them the tools to restructure the debt that is the the same debt other 50 states have. you opposed granting puerto rico the bankruptcy protection pup say it is only last-resort measure but the government of puerto rico has said that bankruptcy is its last resort, that that's where they are now. how do you explain this very strong stance to the hundreds of thousands of puerto ricans that vote across the u.s. and particularly in your state of florida. >> sure. because bankruptcy doesn't work unless you change the way you're operating and you're going to be bankrupt again. and the problem with puerto rico, the economy is not growing. it's too expensive to do business there. the tax rate is too high. this year alone with all the problems they're having, they barely cut their budget from one year to the next.
they have to put their house in order and put in place measures to allow the economy to grow again. if the economy doesn't grow, they will never generate the revenue to pay this debt or the unfunded liabilities they have of promises to future generations. it will not solve the problems on the island and you're going to continue to see hundreds of thousands of people leave that beautiful place and coming to the mainland. they're united states citizens, they're entitled to do so and we we welcome. the leaders now are doing a terrible job and the previous governor was doing a great job until he barely lost that election. >> i want our viewers to stay with us right now. there's still more to come, including the last pitch in the final debate before super tuesday.
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welcome back to the university of houston. it's time now for closing statements. all of you will have 30 seconds. dr. carson, we'll start with you. >> what kind of leader do you want and what kind of person do you want your kids to emulate. think about that. secondly, several years ago a movie was made about these hands. these hands by the grace of god have saved many lives and healed many families. i'm asking you tonight, america, to join hands with me to heal, inspire and revive america.
if not us, who? and if not now, when? [ applause ] >> governor kasich. >> the last "usa today" poll had me beating hillary clinton by 11 points, more than anybody on this stage. secondly, i hope you saw tonight
that executive experience really matters. it matters in terms of growing our economy, balancing budgets, cutting taxes, reforming regulations. i've done it in washington, i've done it in ohio. i hope you've noticed i do have the foreign policy experience, and working with some of the great minds to develop the confidence, the firmness and toughness and the ability to bring people together. i hop you all think about giving me your vote. i would appreciate it very much. i tell you, we won't have to spend time figuring what we're going to do. i will hit the ground running and we will get america moving again. thank you all very much.
>> senator rubio. >> thank you for having us tonight. you know, this campaign has come a long way. it was just a few months ago there were 15 or 11 us on the stage and now
the votes are starting to count. we incredible decision to make, not just about the direction of america but the identity of our party and conservative movement. the time for games is oaf. had you a lot of choices to make and i'm asking to get mind me, go on our web site and join you are effort, marcorubio.com so we can bring an end to this silliness and luniness. >> senator cruz. >> washington deals are bankrupting this country. there are several deal makers on this stage but there is only one person who has stood up for us
pip will rescind every single illegal and unconstitutional executive action. i will instruct the department of justice to open an investigation into planned parenthood and prosecute any criminal violations. i will instruct every federal agency that the persecution of religious liberty ends today. i will rip to shreds the -- catastrophic iranian nuclear deal and begin the process of moving the american embassy to israel. we will abolish of irs, secure the border and bring back jobs. >> mr. trump. >> thank you. nobody knows politicians better than i do. they're all talk, they're no action, nothing gets done. i've watched it for years. take a look at what's happening to our country. all of the things that i've been talking about, whether it's
trade, building up our depleted military, whether it's taking care of our vets, whether it's getting rid of common core, which a disaster or knocking out obama care and coming up with something so much better. i will get it done. politicians will never, ever get it done and we will make america great again. thank you. >> mr. trump, thank you and thank you to each of the candidates on behalf of telemundo and my thanks to our panel.
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