tv CNN Flint MI Democratic Debate CNN March 6, 2016 5:00pm-7:01pm PST
toxic. public servants, public institutions not only failed to prevent the crisis, their decisions created this crisis. the state of michigan in an effort to save moan, switch flint's water source to a cheaper and riskier. >> al: -- for nearly two years lead leaked into the water used in people's homes. for much of that time, they downplayed the danger in the face of growing complaints and physical evidence. for 100 days the federal government knew about it and in all that time nobody told the people of flint. they bathed in the water and drank it and so did their kids. even today lead is present in some of the water. tonight the democratic candidates are here to answer questions about what they would do for flint as well as other issues facing the country. each candidate has one minute for an opening statement.
senator sanders is first. we begin with him. >> anderson, thank you very much. over the last several weeks, i had the opportunity to meet with a number of residents of flint, had a town meeting in flint, and i have to tell you, what i heard and what i saw literally shattered me and it was beyond belief that children in flint, michigan, in the united states of america in the year 2016 are being poisoned. that is clearly not what this country should be about. as anderson indicated there is a lot of blame to go around. one of the points that i have made is i believe the governor of this state should understand that his dereliction of duty was irresponsible. he should resign. [ applause ]
but more importantly, what is happening in flint to a lesser degree is happening throughout this country. in recent years, we have seen a proliferation of millionaires and billionaires and increase in income in wealth inequality and all over this country middle class families are struggling and cities and towns are struggling in order to provide basic services. among many other things, we need to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, our water systems, our wastewater plants, our roads and bridges. the wealthiest country in the history of the world has to get their priorities right and take care of the people. no more tax breaks for billionaires. >> thank you, senator.
[ applause ] >> secretary clinton. >> i will start by saying amen to that. we are here in flint. i am very grateful that my request that we told the debate here to continue to shine a very bright spotlight on what has happened in this city. i agree the governor should resign or be recalled and we should -- [ applause ] -- support the efforts of citizens attempting to achieve that. but that is not enough. we have to focus on what must be done to help the people of flint. i support 100% the efforts by your senators and members of congress to get the money from the federal government in order to begin the work that must occur to fix the infrastructure. the state should also be sending
money immediately to help this city! [ applause ] i know the state of michigan has a rainy day fund for emergencies. what is more important than the health and well being of the people, particularly children. it is raining lead in flint. the state is derelict in not coming forward with the money that is we will get to the people when we have more time. that is just as important as fixing the pipes. >> we want to begin with the people of flint themselves. this is a program manager and the mother of two kids who is undecided and has a question that both of you will be able to weigh in on. >> the water has impacted our lives in such a way that living comfortably in our home is not
the same anymore. the constant drives to pick up water just so my children can wash their hair to washing fruits and vegetables to brushing our teeth is difficult. once the pipes are replaced, i'm not sure if i will be comfortable ever drinking the water. if elected president, what course will you take to regain my trust in the government? >> secretary clinton? >> your government at all levels have let you and your children and the people of flint down. there several things. all the repair work that is being done and mayor weaver announced a program that we support to begin to help train people in flint to be able to do this work and distribute the water. everything that is done has to be triple checked to regain your trust. and to hold those who are responsible for fixing the pipes
and delivering the clean water which has you said, you bathe in it and drink it and wash food in it. you do everything with it. every one of us should have to run through in our minds how we use water every single day to understand the pressures and the real pain that families are going through. so i will make sure as president that i double and triple check. i will work with elected officials who i trust like your mayor and like your senators and member of congress so that we can assure you that when it's fixed, you can trust it. you deserve nothing less. >> secretary clinton, let me follow-up. the people here still wasn't drink the water in their homes as you well know. they can't bathe their kids in the water and they are desperate for accountability and specifics. as president can you give a specific about what you can do if you were president that would make ms. wade's life better.
>> i support what president obama is doing. he called for and got accountability from the officials at the epa to make sure the state is doing its job. he expanded medicaid for helping kids particularly to get the health care they need. he is also ordered that there be a head start program. i support that. when it comes to the water itself, we are supporting a program that mayor weaver announced flint waterworkses to pay people in flint, not outsiders, but people here to deliver the water while we are fixing the pipes. i would do more of that. as president, what we were able to put together was a beginning. as president i would concentrate resources on the city for economic development for more jobs as we fix the water and provide the health and education, interventions that children need. >> senator sanders?
>> what is going on is a disgrace beyond belief. the president of the united states, this is what i would do. if local government does not have the resources, if state government for whatever reason refuses to act, children in america should not be poisoned, federal government comes in, federal government acts. [ applause ] what is incredible to me, water rates have soared in flint. you are paying three times more for poison water than i am paying in burlington, vermont for clean water. first thing is you say people are not paying a water bill for poison water.
[ applause ] and that is retroactive. act of all, to ease anxiety, cdc has to come in and examine every child and adult in this community. in terms of the amount of lead they may have. thirdly, the wealthiest country has to rebuild the crumbling infrastructure. i have a bill for a trillion dollars. rebuilding flint, michigan and communities all over the country. >> thank you, senator. [ applause ] >> we will have more on the infrastructure shortly. this crisis in flint as you know, as everybody in the room knows was created by the government. your policies are about expanding government.
why should people from flint trust that more government is the answer? >> that's a good point, anderson. i suppose they can trust the corporations who have destroyed flint by a disastrous trade policy which have allowed them to shut down plants in flint and move to china and mexico. we can trust them, i'm sure. [ applause ] or maybe, anderson, maybe we should let wall street come in and run the city of flint. we know they are honest and the integrity has done so much for the mesh people. we live in a democracy and i'm the last person to deny the government is failing in many respects. i will trust the people to create a government that works for them rather than wall street or corporate america. [ applause ] >> secretary clinton, you now
both called for the governor to resign. i believe that's new for you. previously you had not called for that. it's easy to blame rick snyder. according to 1414 of the safe drinking water act, the epa has to step in when a state is informed about water problems and doesn't do anything for 30 days as the state here didn't do. the epa knew for months and months and never warned the people not to drink the water. would you fire the head of the epa? >> the people here in the region who knew about this and failed to follow what you just said rightly the law required have been eliminated from the epa. >> so far one person resigned. >> i don't know how high it goes. i would be launching an investigation and there is one. i was told some of higher ups were pushing to get changes that were not happening. i would have a full
investigation, determine who knew what when and people should be fired. how far up it went, i don't know. as far as it goes, they should be relieved. they failed this city. let me add this, anderson. this is not the only place where this kind of action is needed. we have a lot of communities right now in our country where the level of toxins in the water including lead are way above what anybody should tolerate. we have a higher rate of tested lead in people in cleveland than in flint. so i'm not satisfied with just doing everything we must do for flint. i want to tackle this problem across the board. if people know about it and they are not acting and they are in the government, they should be forced to resign.
>> would president sanders fire the people in the epa. >> anyone who knew what was happening and did not act appropriately. [ applause ] and president sanders would make the point that how does it happen in the wealthiest country in the history of the world? what are our priorities when among others, republicans today are fighting for hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks for the wealthiest people? how did we have so much money available to go to war in iraq and spend trillions of dollars, but somehow not have enough money not just for flint, the secretary is right. there communities all over the country. not just infrastructure, but education. detroit's public school system
is collapsing. >> thank you, senator. >> anderson, the bottom line is what my campaign is changing our national priorities. we need a government that works for all of us, not just wealthy campaign contributors. >> i want to go to lee ann walters, one of the first people to report water troubles in flint. her daughter lost her hair. she is undecided and has a question for both of you. we will start with senator sanders. >> after me family, the city of flint and the children were poisoned by lead, will you make a personal promise to me right now that has president in your first 100 days in office you will make it a requirement that all public water systems must remove all lead service lines throughout the entire united states and notification made to the citizens that have set service lines. >> i will make a personal promise to you that the epa and
the epa director that i appoint will make sure that every water system in the united states of america is tested and that the people of those communities know the quality of the water that they are drinking and that we are going to have a plan to rebuild water systems in this country that are unsafe for drinking. >> let me point out for accuracy, there 10 million lead pipes delivering to people all over tonight. >> i agree completely and i want to go further. i want us to have an absolute commitment to getting rid of lead. it's not only in water, but in soil and lead paint that is found mostly in older homes. that's why 500,000 children today have lead in their bodies. i want to do exactly what you said. we will commit to a priority to
change the water systems and we will commit within five years to remove lead from everywhere. we were making progress on this in the 1990s. i worked with then senator obama to get more money, more support to do more to remove lead. that has unfortunately been in many ways moved to a lower priority. i will elevate it and i will do everything i can. water, soil, and paint. we will get rid of it. >> i want to go to don lemon. >> secretary clinton, you called for the resignation of governor schneid schneider. do you think people should go to jail? >> that will be up to the legal system. i don't have all the facts, but people should be held accountable. if it heads to resignation or recall or if you are in
political office. if it leads to civil penalties. if it leads to criminal responsibility. there has to be an absolute accountability and i will support whatever the out come of those investigations are. >> senator sanders, do you think people should go to jail. >> we can't sit up here and make judgment over whether or not somebody committed a criminal act, but i will tell you this. after an investigation if people in fact were found to have committed a criminal act, i talked to a mother. imagine this for a second. a mother with a bright 7-year-old gregarious girl doing well in school and two years later that child is now in special education, intellectual capability deterioration. that is a crime against the people and people will have to be held accountable.
>> thank you, senator and secretary. this is our local partner in the debate with the next question. >> secretary clinton, it took people like yourself to notice we were in trouble. you recently started talking about flint. secretary clinton, you even made the crisis the centerpiece of a new campaign ad. why should the people believe you are not just using this to score political points? >> i think because throughout my public career, i have been evening the odds for people in every way i could. i started out with the children's defense fund and worked throughout my time as a young lawyer, as a person and activist, certainly in arkansas and then the white house to try to fix problems wherever i saw them. this problem is one that is particularly outrageous and
painful at the same time. when i heard about it, i immediately sent people here to find out what was going on. it was unbelievable. we had this problem in other places, but we don't say it was caused by decisions made by public officials in positions of authority as this one was. when i talked to the mayor, i basically said what can i do to help? when i came here and i met with some of the mothers and met their children and heard their stories, i am just determined to do whatever i can. i have put together resources from the private and philanthropic communities to help provide a bridge. you have got to get the federal money and the state money. i will do everything i can and i will be with flint all the way through this crisis in whatever capacity i am. if i am president, it will always be a priority of action
for me. >> he has a follow-up. >> senator sanders, what about you? your first visit to flint was just over a week ago. that's almost five months after the people were told to stop drinking the water. what took you so long? >> that's not quite accurate. i was here long before that. i will you what i did. i met very quietly with parents and others who were impacted by this disaster and the second thing i did is hold a town meeting which was as nonpolitical as i could make it for hundreds of people to tell me and the world through the media exactly what was happening here in flint. i think the fear and the legitimate fear of the people of flint is that a certain point the tv cameras and cnn will disappear. [ applause ]
and people are going to be left struggling in order to live in a safe and healthy community. all i can say is if you check my record going back a long time, i have stood with those who are hurting. i have stood with those who have no money, and i have taken on virtually every powerful special interest in the united states of america. that's my record and i'm proud of it. >> thank you, senator. [ applause ] this city is also facing a jobs crisis. 75% of flint's manufacturing jobs have been lost in the last 25 years and about the same amount of time, michigan lost 230,000 manufacturing jobs. tanisha grew up in flint and works in detroit at the watch factory held up as the blueprint for how to save american industry jobs and leaning towards secretary clinton and
has a question for her. >> a lot of members work in the auto industry here in flint. that's ultimately what i wanted to do when i got out of school. i was able to get any one of the big and that's why i now reside there. if you are elected president, what are you going to do to convince factories to keep the jobs here in the united states instead of sending them overseas to other countries? >> i'm going to do what i think will work which is both carrots and sticks. let me talk about the carrots. we will have a very clear set of proposals and incentives for manufacturing so that we change the way that companies think about making investments again in america. i have a comprehensive manufacturing plan that i will be implementing. we will invest more on infrastructure as we both have said. it's woefully under resourced. that will put a lot of people to
work. they are the source of two thirds of our jobs and we have to help them start and grow, particularly minority and women-owned small businesses. we need to do more to help create clean energy as a source of good jobs. i am also going to go after companies. when a company decides to leave like nabisco is leaving, they have gotten tax benefits from chicago and illinois to stay there, i will claw back the benefits. they will have to pay them back if they are leaving a place that actually invested in them. i am also going to go after companies like johnson controls in wisconsin. they came and got part of the bailout because they were an auto parts supplier and now they want to move headquarters to europe. they are going to have to pay an exit fee. we are going to stop this job exporting and we are going to
start importing and growing jobs again in our country. >> senator sanders, i will let you -- >> i am very glad, anderson, that secretary clinton discovered religion on this issue. but it's a little bit too late. secretary clinton supported virtually every one of the disastrous trade agreements written by corporate america -- [ applause ] -- nafta supported by the secretary cost us 800,000 jobs nationwide, tens of thousands of jobs in the midwest. permanent trade relations cost us millions of jobs. i was on a picket line against nafta because you didn't need a ph.d. in economics to understand that american workers should not be forced to compete against people in mexico making 25 cents
an hour. [ applause ] and the reason that i was one of the first, not one of the last to be in opposition to the tpp is that american workers should not be forced to compete against people in vietnam today making a minimum wage of 65 cents an hour. what we have got to do is tell corporate america that they cannot continue to shut down. we lost 60,000 factories since 2001. they are going to start having to if i'm president invest in this country and not in china or mexico. >> secretary clinton? [ applause ] >> well, i will tell you something else that senator sanders was against. he was against the auto bailout.
in january of 2009, president-elect obama asked everybody in the congress to vote for the bailout. the money was there and had to be released in order to save the american auto industry and four million jobs and to begin restructuring. we had the best year that the auto industry had in a long time. i voted to save the auto industry. he voted against the money that ended up saving the auto industry. [ applause ] i think that is a pretty big difference. >> if you are talking about the wall street bailout where some of your friends destroyed this economy -- >> you know -- >> excuse me, i'm talking. >> if you are going to talk, tell the whole story, senator sanders. >> i will tell my story and you tell yours. >> i will. >> your story is voting for
disastrous trade agreement and corporate america. did i vote against the bailout when billionaires destroyed this economy, they went to congress and said please, we will be good boys, bail us out. you know what i said? let the billionaires themselves bail out wall street. it shouldn't be the middle class of this country. when i finish, you will have your turn. ultimately if you look at the records, i stood up to corporate america time and time again. i went to mexico. i saw the lives of people who were working in american factories and making 25 cents an hour. i understood that these trade agreements were going to destroy the middle class of this country. i led the fight against us. that is one of the major differences that we have. >> if i could, to set the record
straight, i voted against the only multinational trade agreement that came before me when i was in the senate called kafta and came out against the i wanted to know what was in it before i opposed it. in january of 2009, the bush administration negotiated the deal. were there things that i didn't like? would i have done it differently? absolutely. was the auto bailout money in it, the $350 billion that was needed to begin the restructuring of the auto industry? yes, it was. when i talk about senator sanders being a one-issue candidate, i mean very clearly, you have to make hard choices when you necessary positions of responsibility. the two senators from michigan stood on the floor and said we have to get this money released. i went with them and i went with barack obama.
you did not. if everybody voted the way he did, i believe the auto industry would have collapsed, taking four million jobs with it. [ applause ] >> senator sanders? >> i believe that the recklessness, the greed, and the illegal behavior of wall street drove this country into the worst economic downturn in the history of the modern history of the united states of america. i will be damned if it was the working people of this country who had to bail out the crooks on wall street. what i propose and i had an amendment that was defeated by a voice vote on the floor of the senate that said, to those people on the top who benefitted
from wall street greed, i said, you pay for the bailout. don't go to my constituents who are struggling to make ends meet. in terms of the auto bailout, of course that made sense. in terms of the stimulus, of course that made sense and i strongly supported president obama's position on that. but let us be clear. one of the major issues secretary clinton said i'm a one-issue person. i guess so. my issue is trying to rebuild a disappearing middle class. that's my one issue. >> senator sanders? >> all i can say is that given the terrible pressures that the auto industry was under and that the middle class of this state and ohio and indiana and illinois and wisconsin and missouri and other places in the midwest were facing, i think it was the right decision to heed
what president-elect obama asked us to do. he sent a letter, an authorized letter asking us to support that to save the auto industry. were there things in it that you and i would not have necessarily wanted? that's true. when it came down to it, you were for saving the auto industry or against it. i voted to save the auto industry. i am very glad that i did. >> let me say this. while we are on wall street. one of us has a super pac. one of us has raised $15 million from wall street for that super pac. one of us has given speeches on wall street for hundreds of thousands of dollars. now, i kind of think if you get paid a couple hundred thousand dollars for a speech, it must be a great speech.
i think we should release it and let the american people see what that transcript was. >> and i have said and i will say again, i will be happy to release anything i have as long as everybody else does too. what really is behind that question, republicans and democrats, is whether i can stand up to wall street. let's have some facts instead of rhetoric for a change. i went to wall street when i was a united states senator and told them they were wrecking the economy and i asked for a moratorium on foreclosures. i asked that we do more to try to prevent what i worried was going to happen. i also called for closing loopholes including the carried interest loophole and changes in ceo pay. i have a record. you know what, if you were going to be in some way distrusted or
dismissed about whether you can take on wall street if you took money, president obama took more money from wall street in the 2008 campaign than anybody had. when it came time to stand up to wall street, he passed and signed the toughest regulation since the great depression. the dodd frank regulation. >> just yesterday i believe it was you said her speech must be a shakespearean speech for that amount of money. is her answer enough for you. she will release it when all the republicans and democrats do? >> while i am your opponent, i release it. here it is. there ain't nothing. you got it. second of all, when we talk about being tough on wall street and this galls me and the american people. recently goldman sachs among
many other financial institutions on wall street as you know reached a settlement with the federal government for $5 billion because they were selling worthless packages of subprime mortgages. $5 billion settlement. you know how many executives on wall street have gone to jail? if you are a kid caught with marijuana in michigan, you get a police record. if you are an executive on wall street that destroys the american economy, you pay a $5 billion fine and no police record. if i am elected president, we will bring justice back to a broken criminal justice system. [ applause ] >> secretary clinton? >> i think we are in vigorous agreement on this. i said repeatedly no bank is too big to fail and no executive too powerful to jail and i said i would use the tools in the dodd frank regulations that if any
bank posed a systemic risk to the economy, they would be broken up. we have tools, laws that we didn't have before. i am very happy we did. there does need to be accountability including criminal accountability if it is called for. >> you sent a tweet on thursday and this is the tweet. i am showing the viewers. the people of detroit know the costs of hillary clinton's free trade policies and shows pictures of crumbling buildings. it seems like you are blaming her for the situation in detroit. >> i'm blaming the trade policies. i wonder how many people didn't know this. >> you call it hillary clinton's. >> everyone else supported them. she was not alone. many, many republicans and far too many democrats who supported these disastrous trade policies. [ applause ] do you know that in 1960,
detroit, michigan was one of the wealthiest cities in america? flint, michigan was a prosperous city. corporate america said why do i want to pay someone a living wage when i can pay slave wages in mexico or china. we are going to shut down and move abroad and bring the products back. the trade policies as much as any other set of policies has resulted in the shrinking of the american middle class. i will tell you what else it did. not only job loss, you but the race to the bottom so that new jobs in manufacturing in some cases pay 50% less than they did 20 years ago. how stupid is that trade policy? [ applause ] >> secretary clinton?
>> you know, if we are going to argue about the 1990s instead of talking about the future which i prefer because the election is about the future and you sterve to know what we will do to help you, but if we talk about the 1990s, it's fair to say that at the end of 1990s after two terms of my husband's presidency, the unemployment rate was 4.4%. there had been a net increase of 54,000 manufacturing jobs. there had been a net increase of 653,000 jobs overall. one of the ways jobs were brought to and grown here in michigan was through something called the export-import bank which helped a lot of businesses, particularly small businesses be able to export around the world. senator sanders opposes that. i think we are in a race for exports. i think china, germany and everybody else supports their
businesses. here in michigan there has been $11 billion in receipt years used to support exports. primarily from small businesses. i favor that. he opposed it. i want to do everything i can for us to compete and win in the global economy as president. >> i want to explain to the viewers what the export-import bank is. it's a federal agency and gives loans to companies that export american products. senator sanders, you do oppose it. the vast majority of the customers are small businesses. 176 here in michigan. what do you say to the small business owner who is rely on the banks? >> i will tell you what i say? do you know what the other name of the export-import bank is and what it's called? the bank of bowling. bowling gets 40% of the money
discharged by the bank. 75% of the funds going for the federal government and the export-import bank goes to large profitable corporations. many of these corporations have shut down in america and have gone abroad to exploit poor people. you know what, i don't think it's a great idea for the american taxpayer to have to subsidize through corporate welfare, profitable corporations who downsize in the united states of america. 75% of that money goes to large profitable corporations. >> senator, you were the only member to vote against it. you are agreeing with senator ted cruz on this. why is he right and the democrats wrong? >> i don't want to break the bad news. democrats are not always right. democrats have often supported
corporate welfare. democrats have supported disastrous trade agreements. on this issue, i do not believe in corporate welfare. in fact, secretary clinton my know or not, as a member of the financial services committee, i worked hard and successfully to make sure that at least 20% of the money went to small businesses which is where it should go and not to profitable corporations and downsizing in our country. >> secretary clinton? [ applause ] >> when i traveled around the world on your behalf as secretary of state and went to 112 countries. one thing i saw was how european and asian countries were supporting their companies back in their countries. to be able to make sales and contracts in a lot of the rest of the world. in fact, without the
export-import bank, supporting businesses of all sizes, i believe more jobs would be lost here at home and more jobs literally would be exported instead of exporting products, we would be exporting jobs. i just believe that senator sanders took that lonely position because most of us who saw the results, i saw it as a senator from new york. your senators saw it here in michigan. they can give you the names of the 240 companies in michigan that have been helped. there is a company in levonia being helped. companies all over this state. i know if we are going to compete and win in the global economy, we can't let every other country support their companies and we take a hands off approach. i will not agree with that. >> i have to punch back on this. senator sanders is correct. the majority of the money does
go to companies like caterpillar. do they need this money? >> i will tell you what, anderson. after i investigated it, i concluded they did. here's why. there two big plane manufacturers in the world. airbus and boeing. airbus does everything it can to get contracts to sell planes everywhere in the world. we don't have as quite an aggressive outreach from our government. i did go in many places around the world to sell american products because the alternatives were usually european, asian, primarily chinese products. that to me was an unacceptable concession. yes, boeing and other big companies get support just like their competitors do from the companies that they are from in the countries that provide the support. >> thank you. senator sanders?
>> isn't it tragic that the large multinational corporations making billions and shutting down in america and going to china and going to mexico. absolutely they need a handout from the american middle class. i don't think so. second of all, [ applause ] second of all, secretary clinton traveled the world. she has been to europe and let's talk about europe versus the united states. i am sure that when you were in europe and france and germany and the uk and all of the other countries, you noticed something. every one of those countries guarantees health care to all of their people as a right. [ applause ] and i am sure you know as you know you do, in countries like the uk compared to america, we are spending almost three times as much as they spend in the uk
for health care for our people. we are spending 50% more than the french. we talk about europe and their pluses and minuses, one thing they have done well that we should emulate. that is guaranteed health care for all people and medicare for all. >> thank you, senator sanders. 30 seconds and we have to take a break. >> we are on the path to doing that thanks to president obama and the affordable care act, we have 90% coverage. we lacking 10%. we are going to stay on that and get to 100% universal coverage. >> we will continue this discussion and have a lot more to talk about. we will take a short break. we have more from flint, michigan when we come back. [ applause ]
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>> she is now laughing and giggling and has a long road of physical recovery. [ applause ] >> i should point out you are leaning towards senator sanders, but your question applies to both candidates. what's your question? >> the united states had a rash of mass shootings. 42 this year alone. the man who shot everyone including my daughter in kalamazoo had no mental health issues recorded and a clear background. what do you plan to do to address this serious epidemic? i don't want to hear anything about tougher laws for mental health or criminal backgrounds because that doesn't work. [ applause ] . >> secretary clinton? >> first of all i am looking at your daughter and i'm very grateful that she is laughing and she is on a road to recovery. it never should have happened. on average 90 people a day are killed by gun violence in our country. i think we have to try everything that works to try to limit the numbers of people and
the kinds of people who are given access to firearms. the brady bill which has been in effect now for about 23 years has kept more than two million purchases from going forward. so we do have to continue to try to work on that. not every killer will have the same profile. but the comprehensive background checks and closing the gun show loophole and closing the online and the charleston loophole where you get a gun at the end of three years even if the background check is not completed. that's what the killer in charleston did. he killed people at mother emmanuel church. i believe so strongly that giving immunity to gunmakers and sellers was a terrible mistake. it removed any accountability from the makers and the sellers. it also disrupted what was a very promising legal theories to make guns safer and give sellers
more accountability for selling guns when they shouldn't have. that is an issue that senator sanders and i differ on, i voted against giving immunity, but we should move to appeal that and make sure they are like any other business. they can be held accountable. i think we have to have a public discussion. because we have created a culture in which people grab for guns all the time. there has got to be a way to have more warning signals and more efforts to try to stop that from happening like with the man who shot your daughter. >> senator sanders. >> i remember president obama being on television maybe three months ago with the secretary members as well. she knows the president and i know the president.
he is generally speaking in public not a very emotional guy. and he after the mass killing in oregon if my memory is correct, you said to be honest with you, nobody has a magic solution to this problem. any lunatic tomorrow, any person can walk into a theater and do something horrific. for us to tell you that that will not happen would be untrue. what the president said, he said look, this is a tough issue. but we have got to do everything we possibly can to minimize the possibility of these mass killings. you are looking at a guy who comes from a rural state with no gun control. i have a d minus voting record from the nra. you are looking at a guy who in 1988 lost a statewide election for congress because i was the only candidate who said you know what, i don't think it's a great
idea in this country to be selling military style assault weapons which are designed to kill people. i lost that election by three votes. i agree with what the secretary said. we need to expand and improve the instant background checks. bottom line is people who should not have guns in america should not be able to buy guns in america. >> secretary clinton mentioned the charleston loophole. would you work to extend that? >> absolutely. that bill had some sensible provisions. it had the banning of bullets that pierce policemen's armor. is that a good thing? we want to get rid of that. that legislation had safety looks on guns so the kids do not pick them up and shoot them. that bill had bad things this it. what i have said -- >> longer than three days
waiting period? >> absolutely. that was about how long it would take for the instant background check to go into effect. i wanted that instant background check to go into effect as soon as possible. that was the most important part of that bill. >> senator sanders, i will follow-up. secretary clinton mentioned the liability. families of sandy hook victims announced they will sue remington used in the newtown massacre. they believe that remington, the distributors and the sellers should be held responsible for how their product is used. the lawsuit may not go anywhere. because of the bill you voted for legislation that prevents gunmakers from being sued. what do you say to the families? >> if i understand it and correct me if i'm wrong, if you
go to a gun store and you legally purchase a gun, and three days later you go out and start killing people, is the point to hold the gun shop owner or the manufacturer of that gun liable? if that is the point, i disagree. i disagree because you hold people in terms of the liability thing where you hold manufacturers liability is if they understand they are selling guns in an area getting into the hands of criminals, of course they should be held liable. if they are selling a product and the person who buys it legally, what you are talking about is ending gun manufacturing in america. i don't agree with that. >> that is not what happened. i think it's important for people to understand. because of the proliferation of guns, because of the epidemic of
gun violence in our country, there were a group of cities, states, and other concerned people who in the late 90s and early 2000s were working on theories they thought would make guns safer and force sellers to be much more responsible. the nra saw this happening and they said we have got to stop it. last thing in the world we want is to have guns that you can only shoot with your fingerprint or to have guns with such strong safety looks on them that they may not be sellable. so the nra went to the kocongre and they said it was the more important legislation in more than 20 years and they went to the congress and i was there in the senate. they said give us absolute
immunity. no other industry in america has absolute immunity and they sell products all the time that cause harm and they are held responsible. >> as i understand it, what you are talking about is not what secretary clinton is responding to. as i understand it and maybe i'm wrong on this. what you were saying and what people are saying, if somebody who is crazy or a criminal or a horrible person goes around shooting people, the manufacturer of that gun should be held liable. if that is your position, what you are saying i essentially if that is the case as i understand it, that's not what secretary clinton is talking about. i agree with what you said. if that is the case, your position is there should not be guns in america. period. >> that is like the nra position. >> can i finish, please? there people who hold that view.
that's fine if you hold it. i think what you do is hold those people accountable and try to make guns as safe as possible, but i would disagree on that. >> anderson, i want to finish because i know some of the parents from sandy hook. i want people in this audience to think about what it must feel like to send off your first grader, little backpack on their back and the next thing you hear is that somebody has come to that school using an automatic weapon, an ar-15 and murdered those children. they are trying to prevent that from happening to any other family. the best way to do that is to go right at the people. we talk about corporate groed, the gun manufacturers sell guns to make as much money as they can make! [ applause ] >> senator sanders.
>> i think it is a little bit -- it is a little bit -- what happened at sandy hook, what happened in michigan, what is happening far too often is a terrible, terrible tragedy. we have got to do everything we can as i mentioned a moment ago to end these mass killings. as i understand what your question is, you are not the only person whose heart was broken. i was there in the senate when we learned about this killing. it is unspeakable to even talk about. we all feel that way. as i understand it and maybe i'm wrong, but you are talking about people saying let's end gun manufacturing in america. that's the implication of that. i don't agree with that. >> we will move on. don lemon? >> thank you very much,
anderson. as a black man in america, if i were born today i would have a one in three chance of ending up in prison in my life. you are calling to the end of an era of mass incarceration. many blame the 1994 crime bill, a bill you supported for locking up a generation of black men. given what's happened since 1994, why should black people trust you to get it right this time. >> senator sanders voted for that bill and we both supported it. it's fair to say we did because back then there was an outcry over the rising crime rate. people from all communities were asking that action be taken. my husband said at the naacp last summer, it solves some problems, but created other problems and i agree. one of the problems was unfortunately a move to expand the reasons why people would be
incarcerated not just at the federal level which is what this bill is about, but in states and localities as well. that's why the first speech that i gave this this campaign was about criminal justice reform and ending the era of mass incarceration. i believe absolutely that too many families were broken up. too many communities were adversely affected. we have to do a bunch of things. on the criminal justice side, we need better policing and body cameras and ending profiling and doing everything we can to make sure there is respect between the community and the police. when it comes to incarceration, that means we have to limit mandatory minimums. we have to end disparities in treatment. >> the question though is why should black people trust you this time to get it right? that's the question. >> senator sanders voted for it as well. are you going to ask him the same question?
>> your husband said the bill was a mistake. do you? >> i just said that. there were some aspects of it that worked well, the violence against women provisions have worked well, for example. but other aspects of it were a mistake and i agree. that's why i am focused and have a very comprehensive approach towards fixing the criminal justice system, going after systemic racism that stalks the justice system, ending private prisons and ending the incarceration of low level offenders and i am committed to doing that. >> senator sanders, i want to ask you this. back in 1994, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. but you voted for the bill anyway. was your vote a mistake. >> as secretary clinton knows
and we all know. bills have bad stuff and bills in congress that have good stuff. good and bad stuff in the same bill. if i voted against that bill, secretary clinton would be here and say bernie sanders voted against the ban on assault weapons. bernie sanders voted against the violence against women act. those were provisions in the bill as the secretary indicated. in that bill there was good provisions. i have been a fierce fighter against domestic violence since i was mayor in burlington. violence against women act protected millions of women. it was in that bill. the ban on assault weapons is what i fought for my whole life. it was in that bill. what you are reading though is i went to the floor as i recall and that's what i said. i tried to get the death penalty
aspects in that bill out. we have a disagreement. i was then and i am now opposed to the death penalty. so to answer your question, what you read was a congressman who said there good things in that bill and there bad things overall. i voted for it. where we are right now is having 2.2 million people in jail, more than any other country on earth. this is a campaign promise. at the end of my first term, we will not have more people in jail than any other country. >> thank you very much. i want to go to david go. a youth development program director and he is undecided, but his question is for senator sanders. david? >> we live in a diverse nation. opportunities to lead however to be frank are often at the feet
are older caucasian men and women. >> you are not talking about me, are you? >> men more so than women. what experiences do you have that help you understand the mind sets of other cultures? >> i don't know that i can give you a definitive answer here, but i will give you this answer. when i was a young man at the university of chicago, i worked with students trying to desegregate university of chicago owned housing. most candidates don't put this on their resume, but i was arrested for trying to desegregate the chicago school system. [ applause ]
1963 and an important day for me, i went to the march on washington led by dr. king for jobs and freedom. dr. king has been an important inspiration for me. if you go to berniesanders.com and read our position on criminal justice, it is i believe the strongest position of any candidate. what it says among other things, 51% of african-american kids are unemployed and we will provide training and not jails or incarceration. >> in a speech about policing, the fbi director borrowed a phrase from avenue q saying everyone is a little bit racist. on a personal front, what racial blind spots do you have? >> let me go answer mr. mcghee's
question because i think it's a profound one. i think the most important that happened to me was a combination of my church and youth minster when i was a teenager insisting that we go in to inner city chicago because i lived in a suburb and have exchanges with kids and black and hispanic churches and be a baby-sitter of mi grant workers and hear dr. king speak in chicago when i was about 14 years old. that got me thinking about what i needed to do to try to fulfill my faith. when i was in law school, i had the opportunity to mead a visionary woman who worked with dr. king who was the first african-american woman who passed the mississippi bar.
i asked her for a job and she said she didn't have any money. she said if i could get myself paid, she would give me a job. i got a council grant. the first thing she did was send me to look at south carolina to investigate juveniles being sent to adult jails and investigate segregated academies. i am so grateful for my experiences as a very young woman driven by my church and my experiences working for the children's defense fund which have given me some insight and have lit a fire inside me to do everything i can to address systemic racism. >> i want to ask both of you this question. i appreciate you responding to that question, but i want to ask both of you again. in a speech about policing,
james comby borrowed a phrase saying everyone is a little bit racist. what blind spot dos you have? secretary, you first. >> being a white person in the united states of america, i know that i have never had the experience that so many people in this audience have had. i think it's incumbent upon me and what i have been trying to talk about is to urge white people about what it is like to have the talk with your kids, scared that yours or daughters even could get in trouble for no good reason whatsoever like sandra bland and end up dead in a jail in texas. i have spent a lot of time with the mothers of african-american children who lost them. trayvon martin's mother. i got to know them. i listened to them.
it has been incredibly humbling because i can't prevent to have the experience you and others have had. i will do everything that i can to not only do the best to could and empathize, but to tear down the barriers of racism that are in the justice system and education and health care system. that is what i will try to do to deal with what i know is the racism that stalking our country. >> what racial blind spots do you have, senator? >> i will briefly tell you a story. when i was in one of my first years in congress, i went to a meeting in downtown washington, d.c. with another african-american congressman. we separated and i saw him later on and he was sitting there
waiting and said let's go out and get a cab. he said i don't get cabs in washington, d.c. this was 2o years ago. he was humiliated that cabdrivers would go past him because he was black. you just sit there and you say this man did not take a cab 20 years ago in washington, d.c. i was with young people in the black lives matter movement. a young lady comes up to me and says you don't understand what police do in certain black communities. you don't understand the degree to which we are terrorized. i'm not just talking about the shootings we have seen that we have to end, i'm talking about every day activities where police officers are bullying
people. to answer your question, i would say and i think it's what the secretary said, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto and to be poor. you don't know what it's like to be hasselled when you walk down the street or get dragged out of a car. i believe as a nation in the year 2016, we must be firm in making it clear. we will end institutional racism and reform a broken criminal justice system. >> thank you, senator sanders. a cnn poll found 64% of americans found race relations
got worse over the last decade. you said they would be better under a sanders presidency. how would you be more effective as tackling racial issues than president barack obama? >> it's not a question of being better. it's a question of building on the work that president obama has done. the very important work. >> you said absolutely. >> no, he has given us a good, good basis and foundation. we have to do better than that. of course we should. here's what i would do. i would end and make sure that the department of justice investigated every killing of a citizen of this country when they are under apprehension from a police officer or when they are killed in police custody. i would end the militarization
i would develop model programs to make police departments look like the communities that they serve. i would end minimal sentencing to make judges more discretion. i would recognize that substance abuse is a health issue and not a criminal issue. [ applause ] and i would make sure that those people who left jail had education and job training so they don't get back in the same environment that got them in jail in the first place. parsec te>> secretary clinton, like you used racial code. was it and were you wrong to use the term? >> i was speaking about drug cartel s and criminal activity that was very concerning to folks across the country. i think it was a poor choice of words, i never used it before and would not use it again. my whole to go back to what i was saying to mr. mcgee, since i went to work for the children's defense fund is to try to find
ways to even the odds. i know that we have too many kids in our country right now who are living in poverty and going to schools like thes in detroit that have mold and rodents in them. i saw that in south carolina. it's unfortunately across america. what we have got to do is provide more opportunities earlier in the lives of every child. that's why i believe in supporting families, early childhood education and universal prekindergarten and help kids. we have to do more to mitigate against lead. too many kids are falling back in school or having headaches because of the lead exposure. we will have to do more here. >> can i respond to that? >> i am not sure which legislation that was. i think it may have been it -- >> it was the crime bill. >> during that same bill, 96. there was a welfare reform bill about the 90s, let's get the facts straight. that bill had provisions that were stripped out by and republican governors. i disagreed with the way it was applied. i have a set of ideas to provide more support including trying to cut poverty in half in the next years. if we are going to talk about the 90s, let's talk about 23 million new jobs and incomes went up for everybody and the median african-american income went up 33% at the end of the 90s and we lifted more people out of poverty than at any other time in recent history. we were on the right path. more jobs, rising incomes, along came george w. bush and trickle down economics and brought us the great recession which thank goodness president obama has been digging us out of ever since. [ applause ] >> secretary clinton is right.
the 1990s created jobs and i supported many of your husband's initiatives. you know we deregulated wall street that allowed it to end up destroying our economy. we passed nafta and other disastrous trade agreements that had a horrendous impact on african-americans in particular in detroit and all across this country. a lot of good things happened, but a lot of bad things happened. i voted against the trade agreements and ensuring wall street. >> we have to take a short break. the discussion and debate continues here from from flint in just a moment. [ applause ]
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>> welcome back to the cnn democratic presidential debate live in flint, michigan. let's move on to the subject of education. in nearby detroit the public schools are a national symbol of neglect and failure. they are $3.5 billion in debt and can run out of money by april. ms. kemp is a student in detroit and one of ten parents suing schools to improve conditions. she is leaning towards senator sanders and her question will go to both of you. ms. kemp? >> thank you. speaking of opportunities for success, in detroit, schools open and close with no accountability and transparency tow the communities that they
service. not only that, in our schools that you stated, we have issues with rats, mold, no working water fountains, not to mention non-certified teachers, lack of accountability around transportation and special education and so much more. with that said, our students can no longer suffer due to lack of these things or having these dilapidated issues take place. my question is who is going to step up? who is going ensure that the policies and procedures are put in place that will ensure and bring forth a successful future for our students because my daughter cannot wait eight more years for success to take place at your hands, at the leaders' hands. >> senator sanders, let's start
with you. >> thank you very much for not being resigned to that horrendous situation, but being prepared to stand up and fight back. that's what what we need. >> thank you. thank you. >> let me be very honest with you. it's a hard thing to say, but it is true. a great nation is judged not by how many millionaires and billionaires it has, but by how it treats the most vulnerable amongst us. that is the children and that is the elderly. you know what? we should be ashamed of how we treat our kids and our senior citizens. >> thank you. >> we have a republican leadership in congress now fighting for hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks for the top 2/10 of 1%. we can't come up with the money
to fix detroit's crumbling public school system. somehow we cannot make sure that detroit has qualified and good teache teachers. somehow we can't make sure there summer programs for your children and after school programs for your children. somehow we cannot do what other countries around the world do. provide quality child care and pre-k. we have got to change our national priorities. no more tax breaks for billionaires and large corporations. we are going to invest in our children and have the best public school system in the world. >> before we go to secretary clinton, senator sanders, let me follow-up. as president you have to decide where to spend your capital. there is a lot of things you want to do. where does fixing her school and other schools lay in your list of things to do. >> anderson, not only do we have
a crumbling school system in detroit and in many other areas, we have and everybody this this room should be embarrassed by this. we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth. that is a disgrace. when you ask me about my priorities, my priorities are that no, we are not going to give tax breaks to the wealthy. we will ask them to pay their fair share to raise the money to make sure that every child this this country, in detroit and in vermont gets the quality education that he or she deserves. work.
yet another example of a costly plan that will never get through congress and can't be paid for. the best deal is what they said president obama would negotiate as a $305 billion poi bill. if he couldn't do more, how can you? >> let's begin by discussing the problems. you indicated the american society of civil engineers, say we need trillions of dollars just to bring up our infrastructure and the water systems like flint, just to bring them up through decent levels. we have suggesting a trillion dollar investment. you know how we will tay for that. i will tell you. this country is losing $100 billion a year. profitable corporations are stashing their profits in the cayman islands, bermuda and other tax havens. [ applause ] in some cases not paying five
cents in federal income tax. i will eliminate that outrageous loophole and not only do we rebuild the crumbling infrastructure, that creates 13 million decent paying jobs. >> thank you, senator sanders. the issue of climate change has been a major talking point for both of you. i wanted to bring in sarah bel air, a student in dearborn who is undecided. fracking is a significant increase in jobs and also raises significant environmental concerns. your question is for secretary clinton. >> fracking can lead to environmental pollution and can lead to the contamination of water supply. do you support fracking? >> i don't support it when any
locality or any state is against it, number one. i don't support it when the release of methane or contamination of water is present. i don't support it number three, unless we can require that anybody who fracks has to tell us exactly what chemicals they are using. by the time we get through all of my conditions, i do not think there will be many places in america where fracking will continue to take place. i think that's the best approach because right now there places where fracking is going on that are not sufficiently regulated. we have to regulate everything that is under way and we have to have a system in place that prevents further fracking unless conditions like the ones that i mentions are met. >> my answer is a lot shorter. no. i do not support fracking.
[ applause ] and by the way, anderson, i'm glad you raised the issue of climate change because media doesn't talk enough about what the scientists are telling us. if we don't get our act together, the planet that we are going to leave our children may not be inhabitable. i introduced the most comprehensive climate change legislation in the history of the senate which among other things called for a tax on carbons and investments and energy efficiency and other sustainable energy. this is a crisis we have to deal with now. [ applause ] >> senator sanders, there a number of democratic governors who say fracking can be donely and helping the economies. are they wrong?
>> yes. one of the differences between secretary clinton who has the support of all the governors, all the senators and the congress men. i don't. i am not part of that establishment. i plead guilty. i happen to be a member of the environmental committee. i have talked to scientists all over the world. what they are telling me, if we don't get our act together, this planet can be to ten degrees by the end of the century. cataclysmic problems. this is a national crisis. i talked to scientists who said fracking is doing terrible things to water systems. we have to be bold and transform the energy system and the energy efficiency and sustainable energy yesterday. >> before we come to you -- [ applause ]
secretary clinton will be ready to respond, but you have been tough. you said this about secretary clinton. as i believe you can't take on wall street while taking your money, i don't believe you can take on climate change for those who would profit off the destruction of the planet. are you ug suggesting she is in the pocket of the industry? >> i am suggesting we have a corrupt campaign finance system. instead of standing up to that finance system, secretary clinton has a super pac which is raising huge amounts -- every time i say that word. a lot of money. i am doing it a different way. i have five million individual contributor who is have gone to berniesanders.com to make a $27
contribution. i don't take money from the industry. >> first let me say i have the most comprehensive plan to combat climate change. a half billion more solar panels by the end of my first term if i am fortunate enough to be president. what i am looking at is how we make the transition from where we are today to where we must be. i worked with president obama during the four years i was secretary of state. to begin to put pressure on china and india and other countries to join with us to have a global agreement which we finally got in paris. i am committed to and focused on that transition. we are taking away the subsidies for oil and gas, but it is important that people understand that a president can't go
ordering folks around. our system doesn't permit that. i am going to set the goals. i will push everybody as hard as i can to achieve those goals. we will make progress on clean renewable energy and create millions of jobs through that. [ applause ] >> on the campaign trail, senator sanders refers to a fund-raiser in january hosted by executives by a firm that invested in domestic fracking. do you have a comment? >> i don't have a comment. i don't know that and believe there is any reason to be concerned about it. i admire what senator sanders has accomplished in his campaign. i have more than 850,000 donors, most of them give less than $100. i am proud of that. i want to make one point. we have our differences and we get into vigorous debate about issues, but compare the substance of this debate with
what you saw on the republican stage last week. [ applause ] >> senator sanders. >> let me make a couple of responses. let me pick up on the last point the secretary made. we are if elected president going to invest a lot of money into mental health. when you watch the debates, you know why. [ applause ] but here's the difference. here is the difference. not a personal difference. we do things differently. i honestly -- we have a corrupt campaign finance system. what secretary clinton is saying and what every candidate receives from the fossil fuel industry or the drug companies and wall street saying not going
to impact me. the question the american people have to ask is why are these people putting millions of dollars into candidates if it's not going to make a difference? >> thank you, senator. >> that is why, by the way, that is why one of my top priorities if elected president will be to overturn this outrageous citizens united supreme court. >> thank you very much, senator. secretary clinton, we have to go. >> and that is one of the many reasons we must all support president obama's right to nominate a successor to justice scalia and demand that the senate hold hearings and a vote on that successor. there so many issues at stake. on the first day of my campaign i said we are going to reverse citizens united and if we can't get it done through the court, i will lead a constitutional
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welcome back to the cnn democratic presidential debate. thank you very much for joining us. secretary clinton, i want to ask you about something you talked about this morning. you said this morning about your e-mails that you expect the investigation to be wrapped up soon. the republican front-runner donald trump says he's going to talk about your e-mails every single day if he's the nominee and out on the campaign trail. democrats want to know, your supporters want to know if you're the nominee, how are you going to take him on? >> well, let me start by saying
that the last time i checked, as of last night, donald trump had received 3.6 million votes, which is a good number, and there's only one candidate in either party who has more votes than him, and that's me. and i am building a broad, diverse coalition across our country. i am very excited by the support we're receiving, and i have said, and i will repeat here, i think that donald trump's bigotry, his bullying, his bluster are not going to wear well on the american people. and so i will look forward -- i will look forward to engaging
him because, you know, i don't think we need to make america great again. america didn't stop being great. we have to make it whole again. we have to knock down the barriers. we have to end the divisiveness. we have to unify the country. and if i'm fortunate enough to be the nominee, that's exactly what i'll do. >> senator sanders, i want to ask you basically the same question. he's called you a communist. >> that was one of the nice things that he said about me. i'll tell you something. this is my right arm. i'm prepared to give -- no, i shouldn't say that. i would love to run against donald trump, and i'll tell you why. for a start, what almost -- not all, but almost every poll has shown is that sanders versus trump does a lot better than clinton versus trump. right here in michigan, there was a poll done i think yesterday or today, had me beating trump in michigan by 22
points. secretary clinton beat him as well, but not by so much. and that's true nationally and in many other states. and the other reason i think we can beat trump is that our campaign is generating an enormous amount of excitement. just in the last two days we have won the caucuses in maine. we won that tonight with a very large turnout. we won nebraska. we won kansas, and kansas was the biggest turnout in their caucus history. i think we are seeks exciting w class people, young people who are prepared to stand up and demand that we have a government that represents all of us and not just the few. >> thank you. i want to -- we have a question from denise gatos. she grew up here in flint, michigan. she's got two questions.
first one is for senator sanders, then she'll ask another question to secretary clinton. denise? >> thank you. senator sanders, do you believe that god is relevant? why or why not? >> i think -- well, the answer is yes, and i think when we talk about god, whether it is christianity or judaism or islam or buddhism, what we are talking about is what all religions hold dear, and that is to do unto others as you would like them to do unto you. i am here tonight, and i'm running for president. i'm the united states senator from my great state of vermont because i believe that. because i believe morally and ethically we do not have a right to turn our backs on children in flint, michigan, who are being poisoned or veterans who are sleeping out on the street.
and what i believe, what i believe as the father of seven beautiful grandchildren, i want you to worry about my grandchildren, and i promise you i'll worry about your family. we are in this together. >> senator sanders, let me just follow up. just this weekend there was an article in the "detroit news" that you keep your judaism in the background and that's disappointing some jewish leaders. is that intentional? >> no, i'm very proud in being jewish and being jewish is so much of what i am. look, my father's family was wiped out by hitler in the holocaust. i know about what crazy and radical and extremist politics mean. i learned that lesson as a tiny, tiny child when my mother would take me shopping and we would
see people working in stores who had numbers on their arms because they were in hitler's concentration camp. i'm very proud of being jewish and that's an essential part of who i am as a human being. >> denise has a question for secretary clinton. denise? >> yes. secretary clinton, during our church services, we pray for the president of the united states, we pray for the armed forces, we pray for all civil authorities, three times during our liturgy. and we give thanks to them. we pray for our loved ones. we pray for our enemies. to whom and for whom do you pray? >> well, i have been several times in your services and have joined in those prayers and have
also been privileged to lead them in some settings. i pray very specifically for people whom i know by name, people who either have gone through or are experiencing difficult times, illness, divorce, death, disappointment, all of the life experiences that confront most of us. i pray for the will of god to be known so that we can know it and, to the best of our limited ability, try to follow it and fulfill it. i have said many times that, you know, i am a praying person, and if i haven't been during the time i was in the white house, i would have become one because it's very hard to imagine living
under that kind of pressure without being able to fall back on prayer and on my faith. so i do pray for people in authority. i try to think about what they're going through even when i disagree with them. trying to find some common ground, some common understanding that perhaps can make me more empathetic. i don't always succeed. i will tell you that. so i pray on a pretty regular basis during the day because i need that strength and i need that support. and especially when you are in the position that i'm in and that senator sanders is in where you are asking people to vote for you, to give you the most important job not only in our country but i would argue in the world. i think humility is one of the
most important attributes that you bring to both that seeking and then if you're fortunate enough, to that holding of office, and that's what i will try to do. >> thank you, secretary. it's time for closing statements. you'll each have one minute for closing statement. senator sanders, we begin with you. >> my father came to this country at the age of 17 without any money, never made any money. we lived in a 3 1/2-room rent-controlled apartment. i learned about economics not just in college but in living in a family that didn't have money that had to scrape by. we are here tonight in flint, michigan, because a horrendous tragedy is taking place. but it's not just in flint, michigan. we are have 29 million people who have no health insurance. we're the only major country on earth that doesn't provide paid family and medical leave. we have school systems around
america that are collapsing. and yet we are the wealthiest country in the history of the world. but most people don't know that because almost all of the new incoming wealth is going to the top 1%. i believe, and all due respect to my good friend, secretary clinton, that it is too late for establishment politics and establishment economics. it is too late for a corrupt campaign finance system and super pacs that raise enormous amounts of money from special interests. we need in this country a political revolution where ordinary people stand up and reclaim the government that men and women fought and died for. thank you. >> thank you, senator. secretary clinton?
>> well, i'm running for president to do my very best to knock down every barrier that stands in the way of america realizing its potential and every american having a chance to live up to his or her god-given potential. we have a lot of work to do. we have economic barriers. that's why i've laid out plans for more good jobs with rising incomes. we have barriers that stand in the way of quality health care. that's why i will build on the affordable care act. we have barriers to education. that's why i want to start early and provide debt-free tuition and deal with student debt so it is no longer the burden that weighs down so many young americans. and i do want to take on the barriers of systemic racism. i may not have experienced them, but i see the results every single day. so i'm asking for your support in the primary here in michigan on tuesday. i'm asking for it, and i