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indeed. thanks very much for joining us. that's it for me. to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." for international viewers, "amanpour" is next. for viewers in north america, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. wolf blitzer, thank you, my friend. great to be with you on this monday. i'm brooke baldwin. we may be on the cusp of a pivotal turn in the race for president. are we seeing the begins of the rise of senator cruz against front-runner donald trump? well, tomorrow could bring more clarity here. four states hold the republican nominated contests, 150 critical delegates will be at stake then and it may confirm a trend that happened saturday when senator cruz resoundingly won kansas and
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maine, grabbing the most delegates that day. mr. trump won both kentucky and louisiana but by slimmer margins against cruz who came in second place. the billionaire still leads in the delegate count here which directly determines who is nominated, but no question cruz is closing in. trump is acknowledging this competition is emerging in a two-man race, calling for florida senator marco rubio to get out. chris frates is live in concord, north carolina where donald trump just wrapped a rally. what did donald trump say? >> well, i'll tell you, brooke, it's not a big surprise here, aiming most of his insults and vitriol at ted cruz. that's because look at the map on saturday. you had ted cruz pick up two states. donald trump picked up two states. cruz winning in kansas and maine. cruz saying of course he won maine, he's from canada, that's basically home turf for him.
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this is not just about what won what states. they both picked up two states. cruz won the bulk of those delegates. really closing in on trump. trump still leading with those crucial delegates. so that is what has donald trump a little bit on the offensive today and it was not surprising to hear him on the stump, talking about lying ted cruz, that's one of his favorite lines. painting ted cruz as a typical politician. let's listen to what he just said a few moments ago, brooke. >> there's always a lobbyist to take care of the politician. they have lobbyists where they virtually advertise, i'll take care of rubio. they have guys who specialize in rubio. they have guys who specialize in lying ted cruz, okay. no, they specialize. you know, ted cruz, he comes in, bible high, bible high, puts the bible down, then lies to you. it's unbelievable. >> ouch. >> so there you have -- exactly,
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you have, you know, donald trump hitting ted cruz but of course donald trump, an equal opportunity insulter, also taking shots at marco rubio, calling him a choker and saying he's a scoundrel. marco rubio still hanging in there getting some insults and takedowns from donald trump but trump really focused on ted cruz as we go into this crucial four-state race tomorrow. >> all right, chris frates, north carolina. also this just in, moments ago, monmouth released a poll showing marco rubio in serious trouble in his home state of florida. the poll was taken just this past weekend. trump, a huge number there, 38%, beating the senator by eight points, well beyond the margin of error here. the poll found rubio was first among voters who already cast their ballots. florida does have early voting but among those yet to vote, the state votes on march 15th, and trump has a pretty significant
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lead. let's bring in cnn political commentator veteran journalist carl bernstein. also author of "a woman in charge," the life of hillary rodham clinton. rebecca burke with us today. welcome to all of you. rebecca, to you first, just looking at some of these numbers, the p i don't want to get too numbers heavy, but the poll finds trump eight points ahead of rubio, rubio's home state. hypothetical two-way race between trump and rubio, trump edges out rubio by a statistical two points. even in ohio, kasich is closer with trump. is trump in trouble or, rather, is rubio in trouble? >> it doesn't bode well for rubio. this is a must-win state for his campaign. hope he knows that. they're getting nervous looking at these numbers. pointing you to some of these
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numbers over the weekend, louisiana being one of them, and what we saw is in early voting rubio wassing did quite well actually, exceeding cruz in many of those votes. when it came to election day, we saw rubio's support pretty much collapse. shows over the past week or so, he and his campaign have not been doing a good job closing this deal and that's going to matter in florida on election day so he's going to need to make up ground over the next few days. >> look at the wins, two and two. is this showing signs of a vulnerable donald trump? >> yes, and the republican base is coming back to some extent to cruz who very much represents the positions of the republican base. there's something really interesting going on here and that is there is recognition within the, quote, regular republican party. i think that donald trump's message represents a kind of fascism. i keep coming back to this.
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>> you do. >> we've never seen in our polit politics. finally, i think you extensively about the emphasis of author tarnism, neo fascist message that trump is promulgating. yes, he's reckless, yes, he's vulgar, but the real thing to focus on here and why he is starting to run into trouble i believe is recognition that there's something dangerous about his message. that is why we now have a new dynamic in the race. think it's time for television, cable news specifically, ton loto look at what neofascism is. >> adam, representing the print press here and the great place you and maggie harborman co-wrote this morning about the attack ads against donald trump and especially was reading about
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the state of florida. i don't know if it was florida specific that was 10 million but tell me -- >> florida and illinois specifically, voting on mar 15th, you're seeing this onslaught. the question is whether it's too late. >> what is it, first? >> there's a very resonant ad about trump's history as a draft dodger is what the ad alleges, that he hasn't fought for his country a day in his life, that he isn't who he says he is, casting him as a huckster as well as a businessman, the thread that marco rubio has been pulling on for a while now, but again there's this question that's sounding through this republican circles of where was this three months ago, six months ago. >> the answer would be what from these folks? >> i think we've seen a collective reckoning in the last couple of weeks as the primary season unfolded that could actually happen. that's when you see this sort of mad rush to stop him. >> rebecca, to you, with regard to marco rubio, there was a
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great piece in "the washington post" today, essentially taking a look at i believe the word was emptydo meltdown of the marco rubio campaign. at the end of the day, doesn't the buck stop with the candidate? >> it absolutely does, brooke. his campaign probably gave him too much credit as a candidate to pick up the slack from their organization. they didn't have the sort of national organization, for example that ted cruz was building over the course of these past few weeks. they didn't have the sort of organization that jeb bush felt. even though as a candidate he obviously had his flaws thatsin. i think you are starting to see some serious panic, not just among his campaign but also among his donors and supporters. looking at the polling in florida, looking at the way their campaign has handled the past week, they're not happy about it. especially i've talked to so many republicans who were deeply disappointed in the tone he took over the past week, launching
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these sort of petty insults at donald trump and i think they saw that as sort of a sign of desperation on the part of their campaign and not really knowing how to handle the current situation and of course it all comes down to florida for them. >> you know, let's look beyond florida, carl, because i know you've talked about the potential for a brokered convention. maybe we'll call it a mini ted cruz surge, which would make it even more unlikely. even california governor schw z schwarzenegger has came out with john kasich. i'm wondering, so late in the game, the late endorsements for someone like the ohio gov, do you see a brokered convention as really the likelihood setting ahead? >> i think there's a chance of it if trump falters, yes, there will be be a brokered convention. kasich, if he wins in ohio, if he does well in michigan, does well through the industrial midwest, he could go into a
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brokered convention -- >> you called it exciting when i talked on friday, governor kasich. >> well, he ought to be excited, because he's emerging as a viable alternative. remember, ted cruz is deeply unpopular in the republican party, except among the tea party right. he's an outsider in his own party. if there's a brokered convention, keep coming back, you know, there's talk that romney would make himself available. think more likely that there would be a move to draft somebody like a representative ryan, speaker in the house, because he is someone who has run in the national election, is popular within the party among many factions, and i would say let's keep our eye on other posants possibilities in a brokered convention. the other thing about trump we need to look at is there are numerous pieces in preparation, in it the print press, about his
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business record, about his personal life, and we're going to -- he knows that that's coming. and it's one of the reasons that he keeps saying we need to wrap this up quick. if he's going to get the nomination, he might need to wrap it up pretty quick before those pieces come out. i don't want to throw out innuendo or anything but it's about stuff for the most part that is well known about his record, but i don't think that the voters know much in there that's likely to be in those pieces. >> sure, business records. mitt romney is the one that's calling for his tax records, keeps saying bombshell. i want you to stick around with me because i'm not quite finished with you all. it's a huge political week on cnn. tomorrow we have complete coverage of super tuesday part two. the march madness continues. thursday, it is the republicans on stage for a debate in miami. we will be there. you will see it here live on cnn. meantime, we have to talk about the democrats. hillary clinton and bernie
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sanders. snap at each other during a fiery debate. the surprise attack that clinton has been holding in her back pocket until that moment last evening. plus, live pictures of hulk hogan here. he is now taking the stand against gawker in a case involving his sex tape. why he says the website had no right to post it. and breaking news, the u.s. military launching a major strike against what's called an imminent threat, a quote/unquote large scale attack. we have a report from the pentagon ahead. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. no ma'am. our at&t 'buy one get one free' makes it easier for your staff to send appointment reminders to your customers... ...and share promotions on social media? you know it! now i'm seeing dollar signs. you should probably get your eyes checked. good one babe. optometry humor. right now get up to $650 in credits to help you switch to at&t.
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discovered religion on this issue. it's a little bit too late. >> i tell you something else that senator sanders was against. he was against the auto bailout. when it companies y comes to i we have to end disparities in treatment. >> the question is why should black people trust you this time to get it right. that's the question. >> senator sanders voted for it as well are you going to ask him the same question. >> probably will. >> your husband, your husband has said this bill was a mistake. do you think it was a mistake? >> i just said that. >> if you are talking about the wall street bailout where some of your friends destroyed this economy, through -- >> you know -- >> excuse me, i'm talking. >> ooh. carl bernstein, also our guest a reporter from "the new york times," rebecca burns, with real clear politics.
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carl, beginning with hillary clinton, listen, she is still acting like this is a very, very tight race. obviously bernie sanders is still in it. but she is taking this quite seriously. >> of course she is. she has some vulnerabilities. as we saw on the two questions about her speeches to wall street, goldman sacks and about the server. because on those questions, she becomes defensive. obfuscates. that goes to the question of trust worthiness, where she does very badly, even among democratic voters. however, she has become an infinitely better candidate. she was really good on broad siding bernie sanders on the auto bailout. >> that is an excellent point. this is something we have not heard in any of these democratic debates. here they are in detroit's backyard.
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this is a moment from last night. >> he voted against the money that ended up saving the auto industry. i think that is a pretty big difference. >> did i vote against the wall street bailout? when billionaires on wall street destroyed this economy, they went to congress and they said, oh, please, we'll be good boys, bail us out. you know what i said? i said, let the billionaires themselves bail out wall street. shouldn't be the middle class of this country. >> what did you make of that, his response? >> we've seen him, you know, counterpunch on a couple of issues. to see this sort of exchange really does show he seems willing to engage in a way that people have questioned whether he wants to win or if it's more of a protest candidacy. think the way he's making these attacks makes it very clear that he takes this as seriously as
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possible and hillary takes him very seriously. >> i feel like there's a whole conversation to be had on tone. rebecca, on substance, what did you think of the exchange? >> i think that can be an exchange that's ben fishal for both of them. what i think is remarkable about the way these democratic debates have played out relative to the republican ones is you have substantive exchanges that focus on policy, that focus on the contrast between the candidates, and it hasn't gone personal. i talked to republicans watching these debates who are embarrassed who are mortified. because it has really veered away from the policy for them and into the personal and the petty attacks. and i think democrats are probably very happy that their debates are not in that territory at this point. >> no screaming idiots, losers, or notions of hand size whatsoever. but on hand, you know, when you read a lot about some of the
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critics were pointing out, carl, on both sides, especially critics about bernie sands, you know, "stop interrupting," it was a tone change. >> i was not disturbed by that tone. >> you weren't? >> i think both of them get -- i think both of them get frustrated by the other and i think it's just fine to see. i think the notion that his tone was somehow sexist because he said "let me speak" is utter nonsense. look, people in sharp debates sometimes use their elbows a little. they did it, it seems to me in a fine way, and it had to do with the substance, and onward from this point. i want to come back though to the tone that she uses when it gets to the question of trustworthiness, the server, and these questions about her speeches to wall street. if you look at my website, about the end of my book about hillary
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clinton, and this question of openness, trust worthiness, carl bernstein.com. because here is a book that is very empathic toward hillary clinton. it really explains a lot of her life. and at the same time, we need to look at this dichotomy that we keep seeing. it is a pattern that goes through all of her public life. and that's what we saw in that debate yesterday. the real tone change i thought came on the questions when anderson asked her about those speeches and particularly about the server, she came up with a different voice altogether. and didn't answer the question. so i think we've got a number of tonal questions we need to look at here. and obviously she doesn't want to go to those places. and bernie sanders, knowing that the democrats from his point of view have to win this election,
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has not attacked her on the server question, but it's going to certainly be the focus of the republicans. >> it will, it will, come general election time. carl bernstein, matt flagg flaggenheimer, rebecca, thank you very much. coming up next, we're going to talk about the tale of the tape, day one in the trial between hulk hogan and the gossip website gawker over the sex tape that was posted online some years ago. we'll take you into the courtroom. hulk hogan still on the stand. next. chevy. i'm going with ram. definitely ford. the new 2016 chevy silverado offers best in class v8 fuel economy... holy smokes! horsepower, and towing. they're all chevy. it's truck month. get a total value of seventy five hundred dollars on this silverado all star with a 5.3 liter v8. plus, find your tag and get one thousand cash allowance on select silverado models in stock. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today.
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one of the most well-known personalities in the world took the stand today in his sex tape trial, hulk hogan. he wants to be known in court by his given name, terry. is suing a website for $100 million. hogan's attorney says the website gawker.com has zero right to publish that tape. gawker maintains hogan lived his life in public and has no right to complain. our guest sheis here, a crimina defense attorney. this very public figure says he was living his private life. meantime he was living a public life with a reality show and a radio show. where do you draw the line? >> your opening statement is the entire defense. which is you're talking about someone who is so recognizable, so world known, that i would guess there may be 15 people know what his real name is. everyone knows him as the hulk. as the result of being such a
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public person, gawker i think is correct in saying this is newsworthy. people want to know about this. people want to know about this guy, good guy, bad guy, claims to be all america apple pie. is he a bad guy? whatever he is, we're not doing this to hurt him, we're doing this because the public wants to know. >> it's harm versus newsworthiness, that's the crux of it. >> for me, it is trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. the bottom line is what godly reason would the gawker have to hurt hulk hogan? it's not like hulk hogan excellent with the publisher's wife. so i don't see that malice that intent to do harm. it was news worthy. they ran it. it turned out to be very newsworthy. millions of people watched it. >> among the evidence hulk hogan's attorney showed site traffic to your point. gawker's internal chats at the time in which staffers mocked him.
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>> they did that not just for giggles, they did that for a legal reason. because in order to remove this from a win for the plaintiff, in order to make it newsworthy, the fact that they commented on it, the fact that they discussed it. now it's not simply for commercial gain, now it's not simply to hurt someone, it's newsworthy and they're providing commentary on the video. that was calculated. that was design. it was pretty damn smart. >> live pictures, he's on the stand, hasn't said a whole heck of a lot yet, but we're monitoring. meantime, let's talk about ted cruz. we've just gotten some news in from this new york judge, just into us here at cnn. this is one of donald trump's main arguments for weeks now against ted cruz, the senator's eligibility to be president, since he was born on canadian soil, even though his mother is a u.s. citizen. this judge in new york dismissing a petition challenging his candidacy. says the folks who filed the petition failed to submit timely
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objections so the court didn't have any jurisdiction there. bottom line, what happened? new york? >> on fourth down, you punt. >> punting. >> we live in a law, in a judicial system of rules, very strict rules, very strict deadlines. sometimes when a court does not want to tackle a very sensitive issue or an issue that no one's going to come out the winner on and it's just not something they want to touch, we find a technicality. if you don't want me on your show but you don't want to tell me you don't want me on because i'll say something you won't like, you just send the car and say, hey, randy, you needed to be here by 2:30, love to have you on, but too late. >> technicality, dismissed, done, in the state of new york. randy, thank you. as trump's rise splits the republican party what would a split party look like, how would that work? one historian will explain that. also ahead if florida, ted
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mrs. reagan's funeral will be. mrs. reagan will be buried here at the reagan library this friday, march 11th, beginning at 11:00 a.m. the funeral service will be closed to the public. it will most likely be televised so that information will be forthcoming. invitations for the funeral will be going out immediately. so the next couple of days, actually starting tomorrow, we'll notify the media who's coming, who's part of the program, who the pallbearers are, things of that nature. in terms of how the public can pay their respect. we are allowing the public to come up in two separate days at two separate types to come up to the library to pay their respects to mrs. reagan while she lay in repose here at the reagan library. those times are this wednesday, march 9th, from 1:00 p.m. until 7:00 p.m. and again this thursday on march 10th from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. all the information will be located on our website at reagan
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library.com. there's an off-site parking lot in an old bank of america lot located about 2 miles down the road. people will park at that remote lot, be shuttled here to the reagan library to pay their respects. for security purposes, no large bags, no back bags, strollers will be allowed on the premises but not in the lobby. more information will come out throughout the week. everything will be loaded at reaganlibrary.com. >> now that we've officially learned of some of those funeral plans for the former first lady, carl bernstein, i'd love to bring you back in and talk about this. the world has been talking so much about her. of course we think of her so no to drugs campaign in the '80s and how much she loved herro ronnie so much. i will never forget watching president reagan's funeral at simi valley and watching nancy reagan bend down and kiss that casket, she loved him so much.
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can carl hear me? >> yes. it's one of the great -- one of the great love affairs. i had a wonderful but very distant correspondence and relationship of friendship with mrs. reagan. it started in 1999. i was seated next to her at the reagan library. john mccain was then running for president. we kept up a slight correspondence and i would see her occasionally. she was great fun. she also in terms of first ladies is so influential in her husband's presidency in a way that few first ladies were. ronald reagan listened to nancy reagan and he was stubborn but also she was a brilliant person who was not bothered by people's political beliefs. she had a great friendship with katharine graham, the publisher
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of "the washington post" in washington. they would sneak off together for lunches during the reagan presidency, girls lunches as she and mrs. reagan called them. she was just great to be around. she didn't want to see people in her last year. she was infirm. but she was mentally as sharp as a tack. right up through the end. and we've lost a great person who i think managed to bring all kinds of cultures, hollywood, washington, politics, fashion. we're not going to see her likes again. it's about a different era. a really wonderful person. i know there are many people on opposite sides of the political fence from ronald reagan who had nothing but love and affection
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for nancy reagan. >> thank you so much for that, carl bernstein, thank you. coming up next, in florida, ted cruz looking for a win in marco rubio's home state. one major newspaper isn't endorsing a single candidate. let's ask why. coming up. are part of what make you, you. and you're not going to let anything keep you sidelined. that's why you drink ensure with nutritious calories, 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. come on grandma! giving you the strength and energy to get back to doing... what you love. from the #1 doctr recommended bran. ensure. always stay you.
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florida is a do or die state for senator marco rubio. florida senator has just two wins thus far, is vowing to win his home state in a matter of eight days. trump and cruz are also targeting an upset in the sunshine state with hopes to putting an end to marco rubio's campaign. getting help from some super pacs. here is just one. >> marco rubio once said -- >> if you don't want to vote on things, don't run for the senate. >> really? rubio talks up his national security experience, but did you know he skipped 18 defensive votes, including one to arm the kurds to fight isis, and what
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does rubio say about skipping votes? >> essence not voting for it is voting against it. >> was rubio voting against defense spending and fighting isis? marco rubio, absent on national defense. >> can only imagine what it's like to watch tv in florida now. that was an ad from keep the promise, a pro-cruz super pac. rubio's also taking a hit from his hometown newspaper. not only will the florida sun editorial board not endorse rubio, the paper is not endorsing a single republican candidate ahead of next week's important primary. so rosemary o'hara is with me, the editorial page editor for the sun sentinel. mary, nice to see you. >> nice to be here. >> so the all important, you know, winner take all florida primary. smart newspaper such as yours not endorsing a single one of these candidates. my question to you is, is it
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really that bad? >> well, we take -- it's a big deal for us not to endorse. we know that when people go into the voting booth, they have to make a choice. so we want to make a choice too and tell you what we think and why we think it. but after looking at the candidates, we did end up with none of the above. >> have you ever not endorsed a candidate in yours past? >> no, this is the first time that we've made this choice. >> walk me through why you made these decisions, especially starting with senator marco rubio, why not endorse him? >> you know, it's not unusual for people who know the candidates best not to pick them, but with senator rubio, we do know him best and we're disappointed with him. we endorsed him when he ran for senate, believing that he was an agent of change and that he would follow through. but he -- as soon as he got to washington, he started running
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for president, and we're happy to see him back in florida right now in advance of the primary because we haven't seen much of him since he went to washington. so because he hasn't followed through on the promises, we just couldn't endorse him for president. >> no to rubio no to trump. your paper says he's dangerous. tell me why. >> he's dangerous, you know, he's entertaining, it's like he would blow things up. you don't really know what he stands for. you think maybe he doesn't really mean everything he says. if you believe he doesn't believe everything he says, then you're buying a pig in the poke. what if he does believe everything he says? you know, the presidency is serious business, not a reality tv show, and we just don't believe he's qualified to be president. >> ted cruz, you say he scares you and should scare voters. let's leave that there. john kasich. you say kasich is the best of the bench, so why not give him
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an endorsement? >> because you judge a candidate by the caliber of the campaign they've run. he was out of the gate late. he has not, you know -- he's not gained traction. he's not got much of an organization here. and so while he is the best of the bench, you know, he -- it's hard to tell somebody to vote for somebody when you think they're throwing their vote away. >> you know, as we are approaching florida, i keep thinking of bush and your paper did initially favor him. you write, we favor the adult in the room, jeb bush, smart experienced and principled conservative, but the nation wasn't ready for another bush and our former governor wasn't ready for the anti-establishment edge in today's twitter-fueled campaign era. let me ask you this, rose mary, do you think, does he keep quiet, does he not endorse anyone, marco rubio, because the tampa bay times said on cnn today they'd be surprised if he didn't come forward with a rubio
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endorsement. >> i guess the question is does it really matter. jeb's voice wasn't heard very loudly in this campaign and even if he does come forward and like his bruises and put his, you know, vote behind the person who was his mentee, does it really matter? i'm not sure that it does. >> rose mary o'hara, sun sentinel, thank you so much for your candor, i appreciate that. >> happy to be here, brooke, thank you. >> thank you. coming up next, with the republican party, more divided than ever, could it all come down to a brokered convention and if it does and if trump were to grab it, what would a trump administration look like, even if the party is so incredibly divided? we'll explore that and look at history next. my mucusy congest. i'm good all day. [announcer:] mucinex keeps working. not 4, not 6, but 12 hours. let's end this
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kind of depends on who you ask, two of the most feared words in the republican party these days could be brokered against. donald trump is the clear republican front-runner but cruz had a big weekend, wins in kansas, wins in maine, and a strong close second place finish behind trump in louisiana. remember this number, 848. that is how many delegates trump needs to clinch the nomination from here on out. it's also the number his three remaining rivals need among them to force a contested convention. add that to the republican establishment's resistance to donald trump, many party operatives fear there will be open warfare at the republican convention in cleveland this summer. so what's this mean to the republican party's chances of putting their candidate in the white house? let's talk about this with political scientist david carroll, a poly-si professor at
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the university of maryland. professor, thank you for being here. the notion of any fractured party is nothing new, but i'd love to pick your brain and if you can just tick through examples going back decades and decades of fractured parties in recent u.s. history beginning with the president and how many it's not worked out. >> oh, yeah, there are a number of cases, if you go back in history, the democrats were really divided over the slavery issue and they had two candidates and two conventionsln was elected in 1812. teddy roosevelt, the former republican candidate, ran on his own ticket, the progressive party. woodrow wilson, the democrat, was elected. we also have cases in which a candidate is nominated and there isn't a formal split, but they can't hold their party together.
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they can't really draw from all segments of the party in the general election, so more recent examples include barry goldwater for the republicans in 1964 and george mcgovern for the democrats in 1972. and those also ended badly for those parties. >> so then looking at the current state of play, the current state of politics now, knowing the history as well as you do, what about this seems different? >> well, this is kind of unusual, because the objections to mr. trump who is the likely nominee at this point are really different from some of the others. it's not a single issue that divides the republican party the way slavery did at one time for democrats or -- and trump is not someone on let's say the right fringe of his party the way goldwater was or the way mcgovern was on left of the party. it's much more that he's not
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really trusted. he's not seen as a real republican. as someone who's reliable, committed to the party's principles and who would be a safe choice. you know, it's the objections are somewhat different from those that other candidates face. >> so then if we were to play the what if game and the what if, let's take it a step further that not only donald trump gets the nomination, he wins the white house and you have this crevasse within the republican party, what would a split look like for him and for washington moving forward? >> well, i think that -- i wouldn't say it would only deepen. i think if he's the nominee, which, you know, is the most likely scenario now, people are going to have several months to get used to this idea. i think we are a polarized country. in the end, most republicans would reluctantly support hi, but most is not necessarily enough. if he has faced any significant number of defections or abstentions, it would be enough to sink him, and that's really
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what's likely. so for washington, you know, it only matters in the sense if he becomes president and that seems unlikely right now. hillary clinton would certainly have the advantage in a general election. i guess for washington the consequences would be divided republican party would be likely to lose. >> affecting the supreme court, affecting the senate. >> right, the u.s. supreme court is a consequence of that. if the democrats rebegin a senate majority and the white house, then no question they're going to fill justice scalia's seat and possible other seats down the road. >> always important to look back moving forward i think, david carroll, thank you so much. associate professor political science university of maryland. thanks. >> thank you. and we continue on, hour
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two, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. let's talk politics. what may be truly a turning point in the republican race for president. are we seeing the beginning of a rise, maybe a mini surge of senator ted cruz against front-runner donald trump? four states polled their republican nominating contests tomorrow. in total, 150 delegates up for grabs. the races may confirm a trend from saturday when ted cruz grabbed the most delegates, massive wins, both in kansas and in maine. trump did win in kentucky and louisiana but by much smaller margins there. the billionaire still leads in the delegate count but no question ted cruz is closing in and this, new poll taken just this past weekend shows florida senator marco rubio is in serious trouble. he is behind donald trump in florida. his home state. by eight points. a lot to talk about. let me bring in journalist and
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author david gregory who served as moderator at nbc's "meet the press." a. a.b.stoddard, the hill, welcome both of you. if trump is ahead of cruz, in a hypothetical, trump edges out rubio by a statistically not significant two points, what does rubio have left to do here? >> he's got to win. he's got to overcome those numbers on election day. >> how? >> people who have been deciding late have been moving away from trump. so if any of the strategy that rubio's employed, attacking trump on all platforms, including in the debate last thursday, if any of that is working, maybe we'll see that among late deciders. but the reality is rubio is in, i think, a difficult situation. it all comes down to florida for him. cruz is starting to consolidate
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that conservative vote. he had a strong debate last thursday. i think things are moving in his direction in terms of being able to go on one with trump. >> a.b., let me ask you about this, talking about both senators, here you go. >> there's always a lobbyist to take care of a politician. they virtually advertise. i'll take care of rubio. they have guys that specialize in rubio. they have guys that specialize in lying ted cruz, okay, they specialize. ted cruz he comes in bible high, bible high, puts the bible down and then lies to you. it's unbelievable. >> there's some of the rhetoric, a.b. on the substance, i mean, again, margin of victory this weekend, do you think we -- i don't know if trump gets nervous but are there nerves here? the vulnerability potential. >> i don't know if he gets nervous but he gets something
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different on saturday night, he was totally deflated. he came out as he always does and says it was amading but all the energy is gone. the places where he beat cruz, he just beat him. the places where cruz beat him, he crushed him, 25 points in kansas. where there was all this news that he -- even donald trump tweeted about in the afternoon that the lines were around, you know, the entire city and near every precinct. >> he was going to kansas instead of c-pac. >> so i think there's reason for him to pause when he reads the exit polling data and stuff. david mentioned that late breakers have gone in the earlier states to rubio and then in louisiana, early voters went for trump and late breakers went for cruz, and so he only won and eked out a victory in louisiana because of early voting. if there's a trend and it's turning against him, he has to be a little bit nervous about the contests going forward. there's one poll with kasich
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ahead in michigan. maybe they'll be some surprise there where he doesn't win by much. maybe the nontrump delegate haul that night is bigger than his delegate hold. that's what happened on saturday night. i agree, has a very tough slog in florida. trump is like a resident there. he has all those businesses. i think he's probably going to win it. he's nervous about whatever the accumulative affect of his flip-flops and his debate performances the last two particularly have done to these recent contests. >> i think he makes an excellent point. just the notion that we've been covering about the historic republican turnout. you can't assume that's because of donald trump. please continue. >> right, because ted cruz is quite unconventional as well. if you're part of the party faithful who have lost faith in the republican party, then you look towards ted cruz as a guy who is certainly not playing well in washington. just ask any of the elected
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officials in washington with whom he's worked. they're not so happy that he is emerging as the alternative. let's not forget john kasich in all this because he really is a moderate alternative to what we're seeing. because donald trump kind of defies the political lanes. we've been talking about that a lot. he's got evangelicals, conservatives, moderates, young, old. he's really going in a lot of different directions to consolidate the party. kasich is one who has kind of emerged as someone who's not going negative, is kind of an adult in the debates. he's making a play for the upper midwest. so will look towards the michigan results and then of course wait to see how he does since he's the governor of ohio to see what he's got. trump calling for rubio to get out, he still benefits the bigger the field is. so i wonder why -- >> trump benefits the most? >> -- consolidates this race. >> i think trump's doing it because he wants rubio to stay in through the 15th.
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>> maybe that's it, maybe the reverse psychology. those are the people that we, you know, we really look at here. i agree with a.b. the cumulative effect of very specific arguments against trump, that he's not conservative, and even more than that, that he's not authentic, that you can't trust him. he'll negotiate on deportation of illegal immigrants, which has been such an important issue for him, that he'll backtrack on issues like forcing the military to torture, even if it's against the law, then he backtracked on that, so you can't really trust where the guy is coming from. >> john kasich did the show friday and said he would be excited of the notion of a brokered convention. we were talking about the debate the night before. and also interestingly, california, former california governor schwarzenegger officially endorsing him. so he's still getting these high-profile endorsements. realistic for john kasich here? >> i think you laid it out, i
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think he could win ohio, he could start to build his delegate take and then he could try to keep trump from going over the top. so let's assume that you've got cruz, who's on the assent, he's taking a lot of delegates that kasich finds some lane here, and trump can't get to 1,237 and go over the top by the time they get to cleveland. i'm not exactly sure what that would look like. the more trump goes along and the more delegates he stacks up, the more votes he gets, the bigger of an issue this will be. the notion that somehow you'll have a negotiated settlement. what does he get out of that? does he just go home? there are a lot of people that go with him and then the party really crumbles. >> then we talk about something happening, and i wasn't quite sure what the something was either, so that makes me feel better if you, david gregory, don't.
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a.b., there was a piece in "the washington post" this morning detailing what they describe as the meltdown of the marco rubio campaign. they were, you know, blaming the campaign and the messaging and one strategist said this about the campaign, quote, they have no infrastructure, they don't have the operation in the states to help him get over the top, he should be a finalist going all the way to california and he's not. but at the end of the day, i made this point last hour and i'm curious what you think, at the end of the day, the buck stops with the candidate, does it not? >> oh it always does. look, this was a well-planned campaign. they started early enough. they laid a lot of groundwork a year ago in south carolina. very impressive early moves. then you saw this confusion where there wasn't an early state that he was targeting, what was he going to win. obviously, he's only won minnesota and puerto rico. it's really been a rough road. something went wrong and the candidate is always at the end of the day accountable. he's been a good candidate with the exception of the gain of eight issue. the immigration issue has dogged him. >> chris christie too.
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>> but he's really in charge of his campaign. just like trump is. just like obama was. at the end of the day, he's in charge of what the message is and where they put their resources. >> the reason this does matter is, you know, you look at how well cruz has done, a lot of that is organization. i mean, a candidate has to back it up, there's no doubt. but really having the diagnostic tools to be able to target voters and who's going to come out for you and turn. these things really matter. it's really benefited obama in 2008 and i think we're seeing that for cruz now as well and that's taking away from rubio. >> david gregory, do me a favor and stick around. a.b., as always, thank you, thank you thank you. remind, the republican candidates will face off again this thursday night. jake tapper moderates. the cnn republican presidential debate live from miami, 8:30 eastern, here on cnn. now, to the democrats. that fiery cnn debate in flint, michigan, where the toxic water crisis there is a front and center issue.
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>> what is more important than the health and well being of the people, particularly children? it is raining lead in flint and the state is derelict in not coming forward with the money that required. >> the governor of this state should understand that his >> i think that is a pretty big
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difference. >> well, if you are talking about the wall street bailout, where some of your friends destroyed this economy -- >> you know -- >> excuse me, i'm talking. >> let him -- >> if you're going to talk, tell the whole story. we have our differences. we get into vigorous debates about issues. but compare the substance of this debate with what you saw on the republican stage last week. >> we are if elected president going to invest a lot of money into mental health. when you watch these republican debates, you know why. >> that was just a preview. we will talk about substance, we'll talk about their tone. hillary clinton, you just got a preview, surprise attack. plus, it is what everyone is talking about. the question these candidates have never been asked before about race. you will hear their answers. plus -- live pictures, here you
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hillary clinton now making her pitch to voters in michigan. just a couple minutes ago, she said she would enlist the help, her word, of bernie sanders if she won the democratic nomination for president just as she did for president obama president obama in 2008. this after hillary clinton and bernie sanders really clashed in a major way on that cnn debate stage. on everything from corporate greed to whose turn it was to talk. joining me now, david gregory, jou journalist and former moderator of "meet the press" and jeff zele zeleny, former "washington post" correspondent, we'll kick things off with a huge fan and supporter of bernie sanders, actor mark ruffalo who spoke with you last evening. tell when what he had to say.
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>> well, brooke, it was really interesting, of course we've seen him most recently in the movie "spotlight." interesting to see him walking around in the spin room there after the debate and he was looking at the journalist there. he was looking to talk about bernie sanders and why he's supporting bernie sanders. of course mark ruffalo is from wisconsin. he thinks that bernie sanders can do very well in the wisconsin primary which isn't until april. but first and foremost, we asked him why bernie sanders for this moment and why he things he's resonating so much now. >> he is the exact person we need right now in america. and because when you look at his -- his political career over the last 30 years, he's exactly who he's always been. and his message has never changed. and his fight for the working class and middle class and poor has always been consistent. and he has a certain credibility that i think americans are
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craving at this moment in our political kind of will right now, i mean, with the emergence of donald trump and even bernie sanders to some degree. i think what we're seeing is a kind of crisis of credibility in our federal government, in our political system. >> brooke, he kept talking about credibility and authenticity, that bernie sanders is kind of an unlikely person to, you know, the oldest candidate in the race, the youngest group of supporters here so interesting he is one of the surrogates and is supporters on team sanders. >> to both of them, i'd love to pose this to both of you, on substance, right, there's been a bit of substance on these debates on the democratic side. you have one issue which hillary clinton hasn't brought out of her back pocket until last night. of course ahead of michigan voting, just in the backyard of detroit, she brings up the auto bailout. here it was. >> i voted to save auto industry. he voted against the money that
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ended up saving the auto industry. i think that is a pretty big difference. >> did i vote against the wall street bailout when billionaires on wall street destroyed this economy they went to congress and they said, oh, please, we'll be good boys, bail us out. you know what i said? i said let the billionaires themselves bail out wall street. shouldn't be the middle class of this country. >> david, what did you think about that back and forth? >> i was listening to that last night after my daughter's basketball game. i have three kids in the car. we listened to the exchange. shep said, but he didn't answer the question about the auto thing. >> astute daughter. >> from a debate point of view, it was just mishandled. she was loaded on that for sure. sitting on the debate stage in flint. she used it very, very effectively. i think what bernie sanders probably wanted to say is yes, i
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opposed it, here's why, because it was coupled in with the tarp money and all the rest but i think it came off as a solid blow against him, landed by her. >> zeleny what did you think? >> i think that david's right, we all remember those contentious votes there in january of '09. and he didn't come back with a fact check, because he simply wasn't prepared for it. it's something the clinton campaign had not telegraphed at all. back when it was lumped into that, you know, broader bailout of the banks and other things, he voted against it. boy, he seemed sort of sucker punched by it, i think. he's doing well defending this afternoon, on the campaign trail, but that has a much smaller audience than yesterday at that debate. it's one of those rare moments where i think she definitely got the better of him in that moment. not totally accurate but on a debate stage, fair game. >> david what did you thing, just quickly? tone, finger-pointing?
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i'm not finished? i mean, par for the course, you have to have sharp elbows in the debate or what? >> i listened initially and i thought, ooh that seemed a little rude. then i remembered i'd watched the republican debates and that was nothing. so, you know, the idea that -- i mean, i think it's all -- i think it's pretty tame. look, the contrast is huge between secretary clinton and senator sanders and what we're seeing on the republican side. they're going after each other. there's no question about it. but it is substantive. at the end of the day, she is in a commander position. he is acting like it. he is holding back a little bit fire to emphasize the fact that he will ultimately support her and is not going to try to completely take her down. so i thought, you know, yeah, were there a couple of tense moments, you should hope so, it's a debate after all and there's a lot at stake. >> thank you both very much. as for the dems and these two candidates, they will meet each other once again.
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we're back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. hulk hogan is on the witness stand in florida right now. testifying in this $100 million lawsuit against gossip website gawker for fun blishing a copy of his sex tape. gawker.com says they're protected by the first amendment, that this was newsworthy for them. lawyers for the site say hogan lived a public life and that he's just a part of that life. minting ago, on the stand, told the jury about the first time he heard about the existence of that tape being out there. >> it's hard. my hands started shaking violently. when i got off the phone. and i didn't go into a spasm but it was one of those things where i couldn't stop shaking. after david called me several times he talked me down, because he was the only person i had in my life that i believe loved me
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and actually was my friend. then that interview happened that afternoon. so it was probably four or five hours later. i was on autopilot. just trying to still make sense of everything. >> joining me now, wonderful having you both on. we'll get to the crux of the case. let me just turn to you and ask you this. watching him, one of the most recognizable bandanna, the whole deal on the stand, talking about when he first heard about the tape. is he sympathetic? >> i think he's very sympathetic. >> why? >> he seems like a genuine person. unfortunately, he's a public figure, and it is a public concern. so i feel bad for him that he's going through this. but i don't think he ultimately will be successful -- >> you don't? >> no. >> you don't? phillip hallway what do you think? he had this radio show, talking about his sex wife, he is a public persona.
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obviously his side maintaining this did him hard. what do you think? >> it's not the fact that he's a public figure necessarily. that's a big part of it. but the thing is, as being a public figure, he injected his own personal life, in fact, his sex life and some details about his marriage into the public conversation. so that is what is going to be the problem for him from a constitutional perspective -- >> so because he does that, that makes him fair game, even in a sliver of his private life? >> even in a sliver of his private life. he talks about this stuff. he opens the door so to speak for this kind of a conversation. now he wants to complain when a news organization if you can call it a news organization, or somebody else puts this information out there into the public domain. in florida, you can sue for an invasion of privacy on the basis of public disclosure of private facts. but the kicker is that it has to be facts that are not newsworthy. the question is, what, in fact, is newsworthy, and the fact that
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he's a public figure and he's injected this issue into the public conversation i think causes him to lose in the long run. maybe not with the jury but probably on appeal. >> here's what gawker -- this is their statement they released. hulk hogan was more than will to talk about his sex life, i think to your point in two autobiographies, on howard stern's radio show, until he didn't like what gawker had to say and now he wants $100 million as compensation. $100 million. >> $100 million. i agree 100% with gawker. unfortunately, he did bring this into the public realm by writing about it in his autobiography and talking about it and that's the issue. my law firm represented the woman and 50 cent who -- we had a multimillion-dollar verdict against him. we affectionately now call him 5 cent as opposed to 50 cent. but the difference in that case
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is it was a private person with her private boyfriend and the sexgates were exposed by 50 cent and so this is the difference between the two cases. >> let me ask you about erin andrews, compelling testimony from her, you know, well-known sportscaster, really worked her way up the tv totem pole, as i call it, and she's suing marriott because some loser, you know, held up his cell phone camera, put a camera through the peephole at her hotel and boom, you know, next day there's naked pictures of her circulating on the internet. you have any way that could go? >> with the jury, it's hard to read the tea leaves. if there was a sympathetic plaintiff, as erin andrews, from my perspective, hearing the testimony of her father, being a
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father myself, and if a jury makes the decision based on emotion, she will pretty well get a sizable verdict. however, if you take emotion out of it and you step back and you understand that a third party is only liable for foreseeable harm, the act of someone coming in and literally removing a peephole and putting a camera in there so that they can record someone, is that something that's foreseeable, something that marriott is, therefore, duty bound to prevent, that is really the $64,000 or $75 million question i should say in the erin andrews case. go ahead, quickly. >> i do feel in that case, marriott was asked who -- what room she was in. they didn't know who the person asking -- was doing this, and he had already stalked this woman. so they put her in danger. they gave out personal information of where she was going to stay, and then booked the room next to her, so that he
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would have access. i think is it foreseeable this person could do substantial harm to her? yes. the specific harm, maybe not. but i still think they could be on the hook. i think that's a good case. >> the verdict will certainly make news and we'll bring it to everyone when we know. maria anapale, thank you, phillip hallway, thank you. we got some news just in. tennis superstar maria sharapova admitting she made a quote huge mistake after failing a drug test at the australian open. she admits taking a medicine that was banned earlier this year. sharapova says she has been taking the drug legally for past decade. she does face a possible suspension. she takes full responsibility and apologizes for letting her fans down. there was a bit of a light moment at the end here moments ago, here she was. >> i don't want to end my career this way, and i really hope that i will be given another chance to play this game.
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and i know many of you thought i was retiring, but if i was ever going to announce my retirement, it would probably not be in a downtown los angeles hotel with this fairly ugly carpet. >> so there you have it sharapova there. next, hillary clinton, seemed to allude to her husband's infidelities in a speech in a detroit church. hear what she said and we'll speak to the pastor of that church. gh reward miles on your airline credit card. now you just book a seat, right? not quite. sometimes those seats are out of reach, costing an outrageous number of miles. it's time to switch... to the capital one venture card. with venture, you'll earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. and when you're ready to travel, just book the flight you want,
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churchgoers in detroit heard something incredibly rare from hillary clinton during sunday's services. the presidential candidate seemed to address the difficult topic her husband's very public affair with a white house intern. the comments prompted in part by how the church's pastor introduced her. >> one of the most pronounced moments i knew i loved her was many, many years ago when i saw her take a licking and keep on ticking. i'm not talking about -- i'm talking about as a wife and a mother. >> when secretary clinton took to the podium, she talked about faith, the posimportance of forgiveness, and referenced the
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biblical story "the prodigal son" as an example. >> i read about how hard it must have been for both the father and the elder brother when the prodigal came home. that prodigal had been out there having a good time, committing just about every sin one could list. now, when someone who has disappointed you, who has often disappointed themselves, decides to come home, it is human nature to say you're not wanted. we know what you've been doing. we know what you've been up to. you go sleep in the bed you made. but that's not what the father in this parable did. out of this parable, the writer who i was reading said what this
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teaches us is to practice the discipline of gratitude every day. there is much to be grateful for, even when it doesn't feel or look like it. >> pastor who introduced clinton, joins me now. she is the senior pastor of the holy ghost cathedral and also star of the oxygen show "preachers of detroit" and author of the book "teach your daughters to fly." pastor, welcome. >> thank you, darling, thank you so much. >> you know, when secretary clinton showed women how to as you say take a licking and keep on ticking, as a why and a mother, what did you mean about that? >> are so many things about secretary clinton to be loved and one of them is here humanness. she is able to withstand controversy and contention. i think it's an amazing feat for
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a woman in her position. all of us i think as women relate to her story in terms of just walking through with a president as a wife, raising a child as a mother and being able to face those adversities sometimes with decisions that are not even your own. >> you respect her more for it? >> absolutely. i fell in love with her then and love her more now. >> did you have a moment with her before the service started? can you share any of your conversation with me? >> absolutely. my concern is always with women and girls and the empowerment of women. and i think that secretary clinton has championed that narrative for women around the world. after visiting 112 countries, she always would visit women's businesses. she would seek to find out what were the economic situations and circumstances for women. she's a very strong verbal advocate for women and girls.
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she came into my community, which is one of the lowest tax-base communities of the city of detroit. first of all, that's a plus. she was in the community where people are suffering, where people are struggling, and 73% of those households are headed by women who are either underemployed or employed with very low-paying jobs, with children that they are raising below the poverty level. and so i was speaking to her about the dynamics of what has happened in our city and how these overlooked communities with women, i don't want her to forget that. i don't want her to forget the woman at the bottom of the totem pole who has daughters. >> she's had issues with trustworthiness and resonating with voters. it was pete r harwood said she
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needs to show the personal side of her. which to me is what you see in her. why do you think that's not necessarily translating? >> well, i think that being in certain environments. in our context yesterday morning, i was able to shift the perspective from a political candidate to a human being. to a woman. okay. when you're in the debate dyn dynamic, which i was there last night, she doesn't get a chance to show that because sometimes it's a very adversarial moment. >> got to have sharp elbows. >> and waving fingers all the time interrupting. so when i was able to more or less pastor the moment, i was able to shift with 400 or 500 people sitting there, i wanted them to shut from her being a political candidate to her being a woman.
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to her being hurt. to her being a woman who has suffered some disappointments in life. there are so many women in our churches which is about 80% particularly african-american community. and i wanted those women to see her as another woman, a human being who probably wept, who probably went to her room to pray. who probably had to fall on her knees and say god help me. i wanted them to see that. i think that for women, we need to see this strong powerful woman as a human who's tender, whose eyes sometimes are tearful, but yet her faith and her resilience has just caused her to soar, and wanted her to be seen in that context and in that light. >> takes one to know one, pastor, really admire the work you've been doing there. thank you so much. my best to you. >> thank you, love, thank you. coming up next, even though secretary clinton and bernie
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today families in flint, michigan, filing the first class action lawsuit over poison water just hours after cnn's democratic debate in the city. but it's the topic of race that got pretty interesting responses from the candidates. don lemon was there asking pretty pointed questions of both hillary clinton and bernie sanders, specifically asking about their personal blind spots when it comes to race. >> being a white person in the united states of america, i know that i've never had the experience that so many of the people in this audience have had, an i think it's incumbent upon me and what i've been trying to talk about during this campaign is to urge white people to think about what it is like
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to have the talk with your kids, scared that your sons or daughters even could get in trouble for no good reason whatsoever. >> when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto. you don't know what it's like to be poor. you don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car. >> don lemon back with me. listening to your response, listening to their responses there. >> that's the first time i had seen it. yeah. >> how do you think they did? >> i think they did okay for their answers, but this was a really tough question. how do you answer that question, especially on a debate stage in front of not just the u.s., but the world. and i really do think -- we talk about these things, right, you and i talk about these things. and i do think, and i don't know how some people are going to perceive this, but i think most white people don't have to think about their shortcomings when it comes to race. women have to do it in a certain
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way. if you're a minority in any certain capacity you have to do it. whether someone slights you or something happens. i have to be cognizant that i don't go to race for the first time. sometimes you have to be cognizant as a woman not to go to sexism as the first thing. sometimes a slight is just a slights and sometimes it's not. so i've had to think about those things but many people in our society have had to think about those things and i don't think they have had to think about those things. as we were preparing for the debate, i think many people in the room have had to think about those things so i thought it was a very good question. >> what about bernie sanders' response, though, not dealing with being in the ghetto. >> so i heard that -- i heard that and, you know, if i was in an interview or a town hall, i probably would have jumped in and said but that's a different sort of thing. you let them get their response because they have a certain amount of time. if they're not answering your question, you jump in to try to keep them on track but in a
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debate format they have a certain allotted time and you let them answer the question. he said what he had to say. i do think, however, maybe he was -- i don't know if he was overstating his case, but i do think he used the wrong language, but i don't always like to sort of gotcha get people on language because sometimes people don't know how to express how they're feeling about a certain situation. their overall feeling about it. they may be on the right track but their language isn't correct, so i don't want to hold him to the fire and say, okay, someone should say you don't say ghetto. not all black people are poor. someone should tell him that, but i think his heart is in the right place. >> i'm glad you were there, i'm glad this was brought up but i can't let you go without talking about cnn's presence in flint. i love that we have them on the record on what has happened in flint, but with cnn, these pictures of you and van and donna, i talked to people who have been nearly in tears as we
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were there over the weekend handing out, what, 100,000 bottles of water, ultimately 500,000? >> 500,000 bottles of water. we're going to be doing it until we can do more. i think the best thing we can do besides handing out water and helping people is to bring light to the situation of what's happening there. >> it's one thing for us to talk about on tv, but to be there, you know how it is. >> the week before i told you i went to the oscars and everybody was like, oh my gosh, you got to go to the oscars. this was -- >> better than the oscars. >> exponentially better. i could have stayed there and done it the entire weekend and the entire week. i was about to cry at times because the people were so grateful and i was doing something that was good and i was proud to work for a company that afforded its employees the opportunity to do that. and i'm proud of the people there, the people there. >> absolutely. thank you, my dear. >> good to see you. you look great. >> so to you.
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don lemon, cnn tonight, 10:00 eastern. coming up next, the emotional moments of one of history's greatest quarterbacks saying good-bye. >> i revere football, i love the game. so you don't have to wonder if i'll miss it. absolutely. absolutely i will.
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peyton manning calling it a career. >> i had to help my teams walk away with a win. there are other players who are more talented, but there was no one who could outprepare me. and because of that, i have no regrets. there's a scripture reading, 2 timothy 4-7. i have fought the good fight, i have finished the race, i have kept the faith. well, i have fought the good fight. i finished my football race.
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and after 18 years, it's time. god bless all of you, and god bless football. >> five-time league mvp, two-time super bowl winner, retiring as one of the all-time greats. thanks for being with me. "the lead" starts right now. "the lead" starts right now. a furious day on the trail after signs that ted cruz may emerge as donald trump's only challenger and as newly minted insult comic marco rubio falls way back of the pack. signs that they have had it with one another. bernie sanders and hillary clinton not playing nice anymore. with another super tuesday on the horizon and michigan holding the biggest bundle of delegates tomorrow. plus, she is the highest paid female athlete in the world and today tennis star maria sharapova promised