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thursday night, we're hosting the next gop showdown, also live from miami. that starts at 8:30 p.m. eastern. thanks for watching this evening. time now for "cnn tonight with don lemon." you know, it is hard to imagine a more pivotal week in the presidential race than this one right now. super tuesday tomorrow, democratic debate wednesday, gop debate thursday. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. super tuesday, round two, big states up for grabs, michigan and mississippi. ted cruz nipping at trump's heels, but trump vowing to hold him off, rallying his supporters in mississippi. >> raise your right hander, everybody. do you swear that you're going to vote for donald trump tomorrow? raise that hand. i love you! i love you! >> trump and cruz both trying to squeeze marco rubio. late polls show trump leading rubio in florida, but is that gap closing one week before the florida primary?
the man who can tell us all about that is cnn's chief national correspondent, that's dr. john king. good evening, sir. how are you? >> i'm good, how are you? >> i'm great as well. super tuesday, round two, tomorrow. is donald trump poised to slam the door on this nominating contest or have the attacks begun to works? >> there's some crumbs that attacks are working. ted cruz won two of the four states on super saturday. the margins in kentucky and louisiana were pretty small for donald trump and some conservatives think it's a sign of weakening. let's see what happens, don. the big prize is tomorrow, mississippi and michigan. if donald trump can shut ted cruz out again in the south, if he can win mississippi, that's supposed to be ted cruz's evangelical base. the donald trump can win there, and then if he can win in michigan, in the industrial heartland, a state donald trump says he will contest with the democrats in november, tomorrow's voting matters a lot. >> michigan, big prize with the latest poll of monmouth
university it shows there. donald trump is in the lead by 13% here, john. but in the last two days, john kasich appears to be on the rise. do you think either john kasich or ted cruz have a shot at winning? >> well, that gap would tell you no, but the pollsters did say in the last couple days of the poll, the race was much tighter. trump was still in the lead, but the race was tighter. is that one of the crumbs that suggest there's a moment of pause in the republican party? that either voters are thinking, are we sure we want this guy to be the nominee, or are all the attacks beginning to have an effect? michigan's a diverse state, an interesting state. you have a little bit of an evangelical base. you have more suburban republicans, as well. remember, rick santorum almost caught mitt romney there in 2012. the romney name people thought was the gold standard in michigan. santorum almost caught up with a mix of evangelical and also blue-collar economic appeal. trump has that bullock economic appeal. let's count the votes tomorrow. if trump can hold michigan tomorrow, especially if he also holds mississippi, he will stabilize heading into march 15th, another huge test.
but tomorrow's a very interesting test. >> let's talk about delegates, john. if you look at it, donald trump and ted cruz aren't far apart. what's at stake tomorrow in terms of delegates? does the math really work for all the candidates? does it still work here? >> it works easier for trump and easier for the rest of ted cruz. that's the main delegate total. the fact that ted cruz is within 87 delegates is a pretty big deal. marco rubio, a distant third. one-word answer, can he survive? that is thursday. marco rubio has to win his home state. if you look at that lead right now, project this forward. tomorrow will tell us a lot about whether trump is actually weakening or if he took one punch and he can come back and do it. but look at the percentages here. donald trump has won 44% of the delegates in the republican contest to date. he has to win 53% for the remaining contests to clinch. ted cruz you see the percentage he's won, 34. he needs to win almost 60%. and for rubio and kasich, the hill is much steeper. it's almost impossible to see rubio or kasich actually clinching. you can only see them being in play if there is that fabled
open convention. but for donald trump, even if you see the that 53%, you say, whoa, that's a steep number, remember, we go through this week and get to next week and it's winner take all. you win florida, you get 199. you win ohio, you get a bunch. once we get into winner take all, that math, the 53 and even the 59% for cruz is not so daunting. it is possible. it is possible. that is why the next ten days, the next eight days, really, are so critical in this race. number one, can donald trump get back on track tomorrow or is he weakened further in the tomorrow contest, and then you get to the big winner-take-all march 15th where you're looking at illinois, at ohio, at florida, the biggest prize there. so tomorrow is a huge test, then going into what could be the deciding week. i think this is a defining week. next week, potentially, could be the deciding week. >> if rubio and kasich don't win their home states, the question is, can day go on? but what i'm wondering, what if trump loses both or even if it's very tight. is that a game changer? >> he's still likely to be in
the lead. he's certain to be in the delegate lead, even if he loses both of those. that's when you get in, don, to this conversation about, stay in the race, everybody stays in the race. and if rubio wins florida, he'll stay in. if kasich wins ohio, he'll stay in. and then you get to, can trump get to 1237? he can, but the math is very, very difficult. if he loses both florida and ohio, we're likely to have a war of attrition through the end of march, into april, into may, perhaps through california in june, and we could go to a convention. thousand, remember, this story changes every day or every week, this story changes. what i like to say is, we're in the middle of a great drama. this chapter is pretty exciting. let's not try to write the last chapter yet. but i do think -- look, tomorrow is key to test trump's momentum and his ability to rebound from taking a punch. if he can rebound from that, then next week is hugely important in the sense that rubio and kasich, life or death in their home states. they have to win their home states or else they're done. if they win their home states, they're in and we've got a
really interesting ride. >> i'm going to call you the great john-ack, like the great kornack. thank you, sir. see you soon. appreciate you coming on. i want to bring in hugh hewitt, the host of radio's hugh hewitt show. good to have you on as well. what's your prediction for tomorrow? who comes out the big winner? >> i have no predictions on michigan, because the polling is problematic at best and it's an open primary and they have a great race on the democratic side, as well as on the republican side. i'll say this, donald trump has been losing altitude for ten days. i don't think he's crashed, i don't think he's in a nosedive, but he's been losing altitude. michigan, he needs a good double-digit win in michigan to regain that momentum. if it's single digits, i think you'll hear the chatter that john was just referencing about marco rubio coming back, the early numbers out of florida look very good for marco rubio. he's winning the actual vote. the election is underway in florida. there's early voting.
people are casting votes every single day. so i think rubio's got a little wind at his back. cruz had a great weekend for cruz, and donald trump hasn't crashed -- >> so why is he losing altitude, what's going on? >> -- i will predict that. well, he had two bad debates in a row. he had the kkk inbroglio he had to break free from, remarks on torture and terrorism. every campaign has bad patches. and i think you could look back to ted cruz's bad patch right before donald trump started to slip on the ice. so i think we're going to a contested convention, don. i've been saying that since 2014 -- >> you have, you have. >> and i think today, chris slizza in "the washington post," jay cost in the "weekly standard," other analysts up and down the network dials have been looking at the map and it's very hard to get to 1,237, especially -- this is really in the weeds -- 9% of the republican convention delegates are by state law uncommitted. and you take that 9%, allocate the other delegates, and i don't
think see any way anyone arrives a to the shores of lake erie with a peyton manning-led cleveland browns doing anything other than arguing on the floor that they ought to be the nominee. peyton manning, by the way, that's the big story of the day. >> it is, but it was expected and he's going out on a high note. we're really going off the rails here. i think it's a perfect time for him to retire. >> and a bit of the cleveland browns. and to go run the cleveland browns. that's what he's going to do. >> i've got to ask you, i think in the cross talk, i cut you off. you said you think john kasich is going to win ohio, because if he doesn't, this is life-or-death for his campaign, right? >> well, i from warren, ohio, and i have known the governor for a long time and he has a great organization and he has a couple of conservative critics who make a lot of noise, but john kasich is going to win ohio. he's a very popular, very successful governor in the buckeye state. and i think that's going to throw us into a contested c conventi convention, in which he's in a very good position, if he doesn't ramp up to nevertheless say, hey, i should be the vice
president. i think marco rubio will make the same case if he wins florida and that looks to me to be increasingly likely. nevertheless, donald trump is the leader. he is by far the most popular with democrats who cross over and vote in the republican party primary. as john king just said, you can't beat john king, you're right, he carries it around in his head. i've sat in green rooms with him when he rolls off precinct tolls from 25 years ago. >> he talking about different districts and counties, and i'm like, how do you know this stuff? >> because he was an ap reporter back in the day. he was covering dukakis in western pennsylvania during the '98 campaign. john knows his stuff.
>> trump is airing a new commercial in florida, let's listen. >> rubio's been a total no-show in the u.s. senate with the very worst voting record of all. marco rubio, another corrupt, all-talk, no-action politician.
>> so we haven't seen too many trump ads. what does that tell you? >> well, it tells me he's playing to win and he's got a good argument that he's making repeatedly. but i have been in miami for one day, don, and i've probably seen 40 ads. most are anti-trump ads. some of them using his own language run by super pacs. and -- it's a ten major media markets. >> we have one. do you want to listen? >>
yeah, please. >> let's play it. >> when i heard donald trump insult my fellow prisoners of war from vietnam by calling us losers, that was the most infuriating comment i think i've heard from a politician in my entire life. trump would not have survived a p.o.w. experience. he would have been probably the first one to fold. learn about donald trump. he is not what he appears to be. donald trump is a phoney. stop him now. >> how effective is this? continue your thought. >> it's very effective in florida. this is probably the state with
the most active duty military registered to vote, because, it is, of course, military can register to vote anywhere they can declare their residence. there are a lot of them in florida. remember the bush/gore recount from 2000, that is a devastating ad. and i expect trump to be up responding with his long-standing support of veterans groups for a long time. but nevertheless, an air war is how you win florida, and rubio's got the turf at this point. i'll watch every day and new ads will arrive between now and next tuesday. and i have so say, don, i think that thursday night's debate and i'm pleased to be a part of that one, is going to be the most significant primary debate in the history of television. not like a presidential debate, but i've never seen a debate with higher stakes than thursday night. >> yeah, okay. well, we all will be watching. we'll be watching you. thank you, hugh hewitt. i'll see you soon. >> always a pleasure, don. >> make sure you stay with cnn. march madness on the campaign trail. all the day's coverage tomorrow. super tuesday, round two. wednesday night, we're
simulcasting univigs's democratic debate from miami. it's at 9:00 eastern. and thursday, cnn's debate from miami, 6:30 p.m. eastern time. and up next, the move to stop donald trump and draft house speaker paul ryan as the republican nominee. i'll talk to the man who is leading the charge and get reaction from trump's campaign. and which candidate is best at getting the last word in this race?
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committee to draft speaker paul ryan, a super pac spearheaded by earl mac, a new york businessman and former ambassador, who is hoping to draft the house speaker as the gop's presidential nominee. is the speaker even interested? ambassador mac joins me now. good to have you here. >> nice to see you. >> thank you, sir. so you started this super pac to draft paul ryan. you promised to spend up to $1 million of your own money. why now, ambassador? >> well, first, before we go any further, i would like to urge all of your listeners and viewers to go to draftspeakerryan.com. >> do we have it up there, up on the screen. so why are you doing it? >> i just believe nit. i believe he's the right person to unite our country, to unite our party, and he's the best leader that i know that can win
the election. >> so you don't think the people you have -- before i get into him, you know, maybe not wanting to do it, but you know you've got donald trump, you've got ted cruz, you've got donald trump and cruz and rubio and kasich. >> except they've all been poisoned by the finger of pollution that these debates that have degenerated into schoolyard brawls, i just don't think at this point they're going to beat hillary clinton, they're going to beat bernie sanders, or they're going to beat our vice president. you cite this "wall street journal"/nbc news/marist poll that shows, up against the democrats, trump is at 36%, hillary clinton is at 52%, she beats him, and on and on,
clinton at 48% against cruz, cruz at 41%. >> and so on and so forth, and sanders beats trump, 56 to 34. >> makes you think that paul ryan will do any better? last time around, he had his chance as vice president with mitt romney. why do you think he would be do better? >> this man has been vetted, he's a family man, he's a leader, and he got more done in two months, as speaker, than the last two congresses. so he got the budget passed, which was the most difficult in our time. but he got it passed. and he stood up -- he stood up for what he thought was right and he brought democrats and republicans together and they got along well. and i think he's the only one
that cannot only win the election, but he's like an abraham lincoln. i think that he can lead the party, lead the country, and i don't think anybody else can win, except for ryan. and these are all fine men, but they've been touched by the finger of pollution in those silly debates. >> thank you, sir. i appreciate it. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to bring in steven miller, a senior adviser to the trump campaign. mr. miller, you just heard my interview with the ambassador, ambassador mack. he wants to draft paul ryan into this race. paul ryan has said now he doesn't want to be in the race. what's your reaction? >> well, first of all, don, it's great to be here tonight. in response to that, i would say this. speaker ryan is famous in congress for having pushed primarily two things in recent history. a large increase to immigration levels, which would pull down wages for the working class, and president obama's trade pac,
which would destroy what's left in michigan. so it's interesting on two issues, where the gop wants to go in the direction of more american manufacturing jobs and less competition for wages with foreign workers, you would even be talking about putting forward someone for president who would want to go in the way of corporate america and lower wages and fewer manufacturing jobs. i don't think that merits any conversation. this election fundamentally is about the effort to reclaim for working americans their economic futures. look at what has happened to the people of detroit and the people of michigan. once a shining example, an industrial powerhouse, where one worker could go to work every day and earn a wage that could support their family, they could retire at a reasonable time, they could have a pension, a healthcare, and a quality education for their whole family. that dream has been destroyed and that dream has been destroyed by trade policies that reward offshoring of jobs. >> if you let me get in here, if you listen to the ambassador,
and if you listen to other people in the gop, they don't believe that donald trump has the ability to do that. they say it's nice talk, it's nice rhetoric, but when it comes right down to it, he doesn't have the experience to be able to do anything like that. it's all just show. what do you say to that? >> these are concrete policy items. if you look at trade policy, for instance, why is it that the manufacturing jobs have disappeared in michigan? it's not accidental, it's because of trade pacs that have incentivized offshoring, making it easier to open a frarkt in mexico or vietnam or japan or china and ship products back to the united states. this is done through reducinging tariffs on foreign countries, it's done through enabling foreign currency manipulation, and through a variety of surrenderous trade policies. the other candidates in this race, john kasich, marco rubio, ted cruz all favor barack obama's transpacific
partnership, which will send u.s. jobs to lower wage countries. and what happens when you force american workers to compete with workers earning $1 or two a day. >> there's also evidence, mr. miller, that nafta and the tpp really doesn't have that much to do with jobs and with what's going on now with the economy and with unemployment. that there are other factors that go into that as well. and to draw that connection is simply being disingenuous. >> i am so glad that we are having this conversation on prime-time tv tonight. it brings joy into my heart. we have lost one third of our manufacturing jobs since nafta. one third. since china entered the world trade organization, we have lost 4 million manufacturing jobs in the united states. the apparel industry has been decimated. the textile industry has been
all but destroyed. the car industry has shrivelled. all of these jobs, all of these factors have moved overseas. and what happens is, when you lose manufacturing plants, when you lose workers in factories, it creates labor market crowding at the lower end of the wage scale, driving down wages not just in manufacturing, but driving down wages in varieties of professions, including restaurant work, including health care work, including all larger pool of workers competing for jobs. >> mr. miller, with that said, if you listen to what ambassador m mack is doing, and others, behind the scenes, there are people within the gop who are trying to make it with donald trump does not have enough delegates to win the nomination, is there some sort of contingency plan within the trump campaign to stop this? >> our contingency plan, sir, is
to take our case to the beaten-down people of this country, the wage earners, who have seen their dreams dashed at every turn. you have a political class in washington -- >> but a realistic strategy beyond rhetoric and beyond talking points? because this is a strategy -- >> that is not -- that is not -- that is not -- that is not rhetoric -- >> a realistic strategy which requires some political savvy to -- >> it is not rhetoric. when you have a wage -- >> i understand what you're saying -- >> earner who has worked at a factory for 20 years -- >> but mr. miller, if you'll just hear me out -- >> and that factory is sent overseas -- >> mr. miller, if you'll just hear me out. you've heard about the plan, within the gop to stop donald trump from getting to the 1,237. the 1,237 delegates in order to win the nomination. that is not going to happen by you taking it to the people. is there some plan that you have to combat that? a real political strategy, as we are in the middle of primaries right now. >> the best and most effective
political strategy in this remarkable and historic political season is to rally the voters to victory, as we have done. mr. trump is leading in the delegates. he is far and away leading in state victories, two to one over his nearest rival. and look, you've seen the collapse. you want to talk about strategy, the establishment has had a strategy since 2010 to make marco rubio the gop nominee. i have worked in washington the last ten years and i have seen it every step of the way. they groomed florida senator marco rubio to be the donor class vessel, to be the frontman for corporate interests in america -- >> all right, i need you to quickly get your point across. >> so when you see the failure of the political class to have their chosen nominee, marco rubio, it raises the question, why are we listening to these people? why are we taking advice from people that have poured tens of millions of dollars into the failed candidacy of marco rubio. so, yes, i am proud to say tonight that we will stand with the working people of this
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voters in four states casting ballots tomorrow. can ted cruz continue his momentum from saturday? is trump unstoppable? how much worse can the gop mud-slinging get. joining me now to talk about that is john cusack, hillary rosen, and matt lewis, senior contributor for the daily caller and author of "too dumb to fail." good to have all of you on this evening. you doing okay? >> doing great. >> okay, matt, to you first. maureen dowd of "the new york times" is out with a new piece, i don't know if you've read it, beautifully written, but about donald trump. it says, trump wants to be seen as ronald reagan, but often he's more like pat buchanan playing to the crowd's prejudice just to hear the blood thirsty roar. trump who was slow to disavow david duke and the klan stokes gladtorial fever, leading to minorities being roughed up and
the press being bullied. he has a nasty gift for dragging everyone down to his own vulgar level. so, matt, is maureen dowd right? is trump more like pat buchanan than ronald reagan? >> absolutely, you're right, that's a really good column. i enjoyed reading that one. >> not that you agree with it, but it was very well-written, wasn't it? >> absolutely, as a columnist, i enjoy people who are good writers. maureen dowd is great. ronald reagan, you can tell he's this great figure on the right, because everybody considers themselves a reaganite. so bill kristol and pat buchanan couldn't be further apart, and yet they would both say that ronald reagan was their political hero or something. so reagan did have this ability to tap into the popular zeitgeist, the reagan democrats, so there's an argument that donald trump has some similarity, but i agree with mo
do, i think trump is much more in line with pat buchanan, more inspiring anger. >> mo do is maureen dowd, by the way, for all the -- >> everybody knows that. >> for the cool people. bob, marco rubio is calling trump a con man, using vulgar references to attack trump. it seems to be hurting rubio. is this another example of the anti-trump movement not knowing what to do? >> i think only one person can be donald trump and that's donald trump. and rubio has tried that and gone after him with personal insults back and forth. i think that hurt the republican brand. donald trump, we heard the other night saying, he's going to be more presidential. i think he's going to have to make that pivotal and i think he got hurt by the kkk controversy. he did hit a bit of an obstacle. was ait a speed bump over the weekend or a significant pothole that could help ted cruz get the nomination? you look at florida and ohio, if the home state guys win those two states, we're probably looking at some type of brokered
convention. but if trump wins one of those states, and i think he's going to have a decent day tomorrow, if you look at the polls which are not that -- not a lot of polling, i think he'll have a good day tomorrow, but the focus will be on ohio and florida. >> before i get to hillary, what's the strategy if you can't out-trump trump, why don't the people in rubio -- his insiders, whoever's advising him, why don't they know that? why are they trying to outtrump trump if the conventional wisdom is, don't do it? >> don, i think they had tried everything and trump had taken a lot of punches. i mean, he's been on top for seven plus months. so they figured, all right, let's stoop to that level and play in the mud, because that's what gop primary voters want. and to some degree, they do want it. because they've rewarded the fighter in trump. and the counterpuncher. he's a very effective counterpuncher. but for rubio it doesn't work. and if you're not being yourself, voters can see that. that's why it's not been proven to be an effective strategy for rubio, and that's why he is on the ropes.
>> hillary, so bob mentioned the kkk. i want you to take a look at this "snl" skit over the weekend that's getting a whole lot of buzz. >> so when people ask why you support donald trump, you just tell them. >> he's going to take our economy from here to here. and i like that. >> he's not some cautious political. he says what i'm thinking. >> i don't know what it is, i just like the guy. >> some of his ideas seem a little out there, but i like that he's looking towards solutions. >> he's definitely not d.c. so why do i support trump? three words, good at business. >> a message from racists for donald trump. >> look, we get it, it's "snl," it's a joke, it's supposed to be funny, but honestly, is this the
image that the gop wants out there? >> no, it's not the image they want out there. but it is the sort of gradual intolerance factor. i think that's why you saw the other candidates go so far out of their way over the course of the last week to talk about how they abhor discrimination, i think farther than marco rubio or ted cruz has ever gone, talking about how racial disparities are a problem. so, you know, if donald trump did one thing, it's get all gop leaders to start talking about race in a way that they haven't probably in years. you know, i think that what rubio discovered, though, was that the more aggressive he was about donald trump, the more sarcastic, the more throwing mud right back at him, the more attention he got, the more tv time he got, the more, you know, twitter time he got. and i think he was a little starved for attention. and i say that sort of not sarcastically, but really in truth, people feel like the
amount of media attention that trump has gotten has helped his poll numbers. and so now i think i was paying attention to what hugh hewitt said before, when he talked about sort of is, you know, is the wind coming out of donald trump's sails. is the corrosive factor of trump finally catching up to him? i have my doubts, but i think there are a lot of republicans hoping it's the case. >> everyone, stay with me. we'll continue our discussion in just a moment. they say you shouldn't spoil your kids. but your grandkids? how about front row seats to the best show in town? and that is why you invest. the best returns aren't just measured in dollars. td ameritrade®.
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super tuesday, round two, polls open in just a few hours. back with me now, bob cusack, hilary rosen, and matt lewis. so marco rubio only that two wins. if you look at florida on march 15th, here's what follthe polls show. you say florida is his waterloo moment. so it's do or die for him there, right? oh, absolutely. i think right now it's about stopping donald trump. and marco rubio plants himself in florida and runs like he's
running for re-election in the senate or running for governor or whatever, and he's going to use the turnout operation, the infrastructure that he has. and if he has a good debate, and if he continues -- we've seen the trend where rubio kind of overperforms on election day, late deciders break his way, it's going to be tough, but maybe can pull off a miracle. and if that happens, as we were saying earlier, it makes it much more likely that donald trump can't get the 1,237 delegates he needs. >> bob, do you think he can pull off a miracle there? >> i think he can. i think he's got to let it fly. he's been too careful throughout his campaign. he's not been as accessible to the media as donald trump and if you look at the successful candidates, usually they're pretty accessible to the media, and trump has been, to a certain degree. but they really protected rubio, so i think he's got to let it fly. you don't become president of the united states, you don't become the nominee unless you yourself, you're aggressive, and you go for it.
>> and i think part of why rubio has a shot is, i think all the spin is gone. there's no expectations here. he's laying it all on the line. you know he has to win. he knows, you know he has to win. there's no games, and you know, this is him, i think this is raw, pure, political -- it's why we do what we do, it's why we cover this. it's going to be amazing to watch. >> but isn't it tough, though, when your own hometown paper, the "sun-sentinel" is endorsing marco rubio. the hometown paper, marco rubio, is endorsing him. but they're not endorsing any of the gop candidates, right? here's what they say. they say, trump may be entertaining, but he lacks the experience and the temperament to be president. rubio lacks the experience, work ethic, and gravitas needed to be president. cruz scares us. he also should scare republicans who want to win in november. and then on john kasich, here's what they say. we can't urge you to vote for someone who doesn't have a chance of winning the nomination. so they're not endorsing -- i
mean, hillary, have you ever seen anything like this on any side? >> well, "sun-sentinel" matters a lot there. you know, florida's a lot of media markets in there, and there are other papers that matter. and you know, marco rubio is probably better known in southern florida in some respects than than he is in orlando. and it's a large puerto rican community. that's why we saw him double down on that puerto rico win. so i think a known here, though, is whether cruz actually takes some numbers away from rubio in north florida, where you have a significant amount of conservatives, the borders on, so i wonder if that's going to end up helping rubio and hurting trump. >> matt, when your own hometown
paper, you said maybe he can pull off a win. both of you said maybe he can do it. when your own hometown paper is not endorsing, and other florida papers who have endorsed him. but still, i mean, that's -- and have have you guys seen anything like this? we're not going to endorse anyone. >> and it's the paper -- i should say, when you are that state senator, to not be able to get the sborms of the major papers is a problem. you're the one they're supposed to know the best. and if your papers to say they don't think you have the experience has got to be unnerving in this last week. >> go ahead, bob. >> listen, i think it's not a good sign for rubio, but also, he has shown he defied the odds he ran for the senate. he ran against a very popular sitting governor in charlie chris and became a three-way race when christ became an independent, and he dominated. rubio knows he can give an incredible speech. he knows how to campaign. i think he can do it. the fact he's got down to single digits, a good sign. >> matt, i've got to go.
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arguing during political campaigns, nothing new. but now, there's more than one way to get the last word. here with me now is gary vainerchuck, and peter hamby, head of news for snapchat. i keep wanting to say, you know, washington correspondent for cnn or whatever. but you're big-time now. >> nah, i'm -- >> you're big-time. so we have seen endorsements on twitter and instagram, but today, arnold schwarzenegger endorsed kasich on snapchat. is this new? is this -- what's going on here. >> it is new. and it's powerful. arnold schwarzenegger has a ton of followers on snapchat and he's known john kasich for a long time. arnold has embraced the platform and kasich has too. >> let's watch it.
>> i want john kasich to be the next nominee of the republicans and to also be the next president of the united states. here he is! >> thank you, arnold. love you, man. >> on snapchat! >> it's a snapchat scoop. >> it's really cool. is this more effective than a traditional endorsement, do you think? >> it depends how you do it. orlando, obviously, has a tremendous following. i think, you know, early adopters of snapchat and other platforms get rewarded for it. arnold's one of them. john kasich early on in the campaign was one of the first presidential candidates to go fu full-bore into using snapchat, because he has two kids who are in high school and college and they use it and they said, dad, you've got to use it, it's where all of my friends are communicating and getting their news, and he uses snapchat every day. >> so you were here for 2008 and 2012 when we were talking about how, oh, how is facebook and twitter and social media changing the game. how is this now different?
is it because of the platform, the snapchat platform? how is this different? >> i think what's different now is that young first-time voters are disconnected from the traditional system. they're not on television or reading "the new york times," but they are spending their time on places like snapchat. 60% of 18 to 34-year-olds in this country who have a cell phone are using snapchat. this weekend i was covering cpac in washington and everyone was using snapchat to document what they were doing, they were using filters. it's genuinely a new thing. but again, i think the candidates who are using it are being rewarded for it. >> how do you think social media is changing the game? i know it seems like a broad question, but how do you think -- >> it's just attention arbitrage. you can't reach an under 25-year-old in america unless you're on instagram and
snapchat. it's just attention. this is what happened. if you want to go back to what happened between radio and television, that's really the biggest con to what's going on right now. we are living through a massive communication shift in society and people are grossly underestimating it. >> let me ask you this, gary, donald trump has taken to twitter to tack anybody and everybody, this is according to "the new york times." what "the new york times" is saying. 202 people, places, and things trump has insulted villa twitter. they say, many of his fellow candidates for president, democrats and republican, the voters, a podium in the oval office, fox news and many other media outlets and a neal young song. so why isn't this alienating his supporters? >> guys, this is another communications mechanism, right? he's not executing any differently in the paper or on the radio or in television. it's another medium for his strategy. >> is he unique? >> i don't think -- >> i absolutely think -- among
presidential candidates, absolutely. some days it feels like donald trump, there are question questions about his campaign organization on the ground in some of these states, but some days when it comes to interacting with the media and know hoing how the game works, peoples like he's playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers. >> i think we need to be careful about social media versus everything else. a lot of these are their teams. we haven't seen a live stream -- >> that was my question -- >> we haven't seen a live stream from any of these candidates, not one. yes, i believe donald is doing his tweets. yes, i hear, india on my team says that bernie's doing it. the fact of the matter is, not one periscope, not one facebook live. because the truth is, it's still a secondary thing for a lot of them. >> so, they're using it like old people. let's just be honest. is that what you're saying? >> most of america is using it like old people. this is not just a presidential candidate issue. >> you look at some of the things that some of the candidates send out, like
secretary clinton sent out sympathetic duri something during the gop debates and you say, did she really send that out or did someone on her team send -- >> snapchat really allows them to prove it more than the other mediums or facebook live. and i think they're substantially underestimating what happens when you go authentic. >> so being you is the most successful approach? >> authenticity is kind of a fetish in politics and everyone aspires to it, they fake it. but look at bernie sanders. bernie sanders called snapchat snapshot on snapchat over the summer in one of our live stories, but people loved it. people were tweeting about it, because that's bernie. and bernie stands back from the camera and talks to the camera and is doing a selfie video, but that's okay because it's him. you know, every candidate's different. but i think when jyou're standig back and your staff is doing it -- >> so this is what my snapchat
looks like right now. >> do you have a filter -- >> i just snapped it with you guys in the studio. it's don_lemon. >> bang, the plug! >> people know, on snapchat, you have to do it. you have to put it out there, right, live, or it doesn't go out. >> like, a team isn't behind your snap. it's not as easy as a tweet or facebook post. >> i love it when people say, you've got to show me how to work snapchat. i'm like, it is the easiest thing to work. >> i'm obsessed with it. >> i want to look at your favorite moment, peter, from social media. social media moment from the campaign so far. >> this man, i get along -- ♪ >> why do you love this moment so much? >> it's just so perfect. the interpret has been so great this cycle, for all the complaints about, you know, the lack of substantiate i have coverage and our attention
spans, the memes that have come out of some of these press conferences are just fantastic. >> our attention spans are that way on television and everyone else, too. >> can i show you mine? can i show you mine? can we play mine real quick? >> and some of are nice. i mean, they're nice people. ben carson said the other day that he wants to abolish medicare. how can you -- >> she wasn't having it. >> she's reading a book on racism at a -- someone says, don't read the book, and she goes -- >> she's going to read it. >> but these things would not happen if it weren't for social media. these little moments would not bubble up to the top like that. >> they empower the country, empower the world to get creative and create their own -- >> social media is the slang term for the current state of the internet. >> i got to go. >> yeah, go! >> thank you. >> thanks! >> all right, come back. don_lemon on snapchat. coming up in the hour ahead, the role the race is playing in the 2016 presidential election. i had a chance to question hillary clinton and bernie
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