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first the republicans who are going to be taking part in tomorrow's cnn debate at a nearby university of miami. i sat down today with donald trump the front-runner. he made headlines. he expects a softer tone tomorrow night at the debate. however, he's still calling his leading rival lying ted. we'll bring you the interview in depth after sara murray sets the republican stage. >> i was watching the news in one of the rooms, and every single advertisement was about me. and it was during my tournament. i'm going from tournament to -- horrible ad. if -- the most vicious ads. >> reporter: in the face of an onslaught of attacks, donald trump is triumphing, notching three more victories tuesday night and urging the party to rally behind him. >> we have something going that's so good. we should grab each other and unify the party. and nobody is going to beat us. >> reporter: the billionaire businessman celebrating with a surreal election night event, responding to a drum beat of criticism about his failed
ventures with an evening designed to showcase trump branded products. >> we have trump steaks. by the way, if you want to take one, we'll charge you about 50 bucks a steak. no, i'm only -- >> reporter: according to news reports, sharper image no longer sells trump steaks. >> you'll love trump steaks. >> and busch brothers provides steaks to trump hotels and golf clubs. it's unclear where the trump touted steak came from. now that the fight for the nomination is looking more like a two-man race, ted cruz isn't letting up. >> i don't have any steaks to sell you. i don't have any wine. i don't have any cleaning products. >> reporter: the texas senator emerging with a victory in idaho and today another boost with an endorsement from former presidential hopeful carly fiorina. >> carly's being with us today is just one more manifestation of what we have been seeing playing out over the last several weeks, which is republicans uniting, coming together behind our campaign.
>> reporter: for marco rubio, a brutal night. another winless evening and even steeper odds as he pins all his hopes on florida. >> you believed in me once. i am asking you to believe again. we can win this election, and we will. i need your help next tuesday because we're not just going to win the florida primary. we're going to win florida in november. >> reporter: today john kasich is still holding on. outperforming rubio last night and fighting for victory in his home state of ohio next tuesday. >> and with those states that have not yet selected a delegate, basically, the three, donald trump, ted cruz and i, are dead even going into the last half of this whole match. so don't be thinking it's over yet. >> sara murray joins us from the university of miami which is the site of tomorrow night's cnn republican debate. what can we expect from the gop candidates at that debate? >> anderson, no doubt ted cruz wants to turn this into a
two-man race with donald trump. as donald trump said to you, he wants a kinder, softer, gentler debate because he wants to come off as more presidential than perhaps he and others did in the last debate stage where they were comparing hand size among other things. and for marco rubio and for john kasich, the stakes could not be higher. these two candidates need to prove to voters that casting a ballot for them is not a waste. both of their states coming up march 15th. it's pretty much do or die for both candidates, anderson. >> sara murray, thanks. the debate is one of the things i talked to donald trump about today. coming up, the wide-ranging conversation with trump. how he sizes up his competition. his thoughts heading into tomorrow night and next week's winner take all florida primary. i pressed him on his promise to reverse the country's weaken position in the world as well as his evolving positions on fighting terrorism that some military and legal analysts say could amount to war crimes. we spoke earlier today at his mar-a-lago club in palm beach.
>> huge night last night. did you have any idea that you were going to win as big as you did? >> i felt good. mississippi, i was in three or four times and it was like a love fest. i felt very good about it. michigan has been great for me for a long time. i have so many friends there. i had no idea it would be that big. >> do you think it's the message on trade in particular in michigan that was effective? we see sanders winning as well there. very similar message. >> i think they want strength, i think they want military and take care of vets. i think they hate obamacare. i would say ultimately it's about jobs and the economy. and michigan has been stripped. you look at those empty factories all over the place. and nobody hits that's message better than me. i'm going to take care of it. i'm going to stop it. i'm going to stop the craziness going on. if you look at what's happening, how -- even today, we're just shipping company after company after company is leaving this country and leaving jobs behind. i'm going to get it stopped.
>> two new polls out today. quinnipiac and a cnn one both showing essentially the same thing. you are way ahead here in florida. almost 2 to 1 against rubio. and even in ohio leading kasich, six points and seven points in each poll. if you win florida and ohio, is it over? >> i think if i win those two, i think it's over. i thought kasich said after michigan he was going to drop out. to be honest with you. he was saying he will win michigan, he will win it easily. and he -- >> he is now saying ohio. if he doesn't win ohio -- >> now he is saying ohio. no, no. he was saying michigan. it's his neighbor. he said he's going to win michigan, and he was pretty confident of michigan. i thought he said he'd drop out if he lost michigan. i guess he's not going to do that. we're going to do very well in ohio. i know ohio very well. i have many, many friends there. >> you think you'll win there? >> even paul o'neill of the yankees endorsed me. a great guy. he endorsed me last night at the press conference. i think i'll win ohio, yeah.
we just have better policies. the country is sick and tired of what they are seeing. the country is sick and tired of these politicians that's talk and it's all talk, no action. and they are all tired of it. >> if you win ohio, kasich drops and out you win florida and rubio is gone and it's just you and cruz if you don't get all of the delegates needed to win by the convention -- >> i think if i win ohio and florida, you're going to be pretty much assured of doing that. >> you think you'll get all the delegates? >> yeah. i really think so. i don't see the convention going that route. i see probably getting the delegates. it's like the fighters. that's the ultimate way of doing it. you knock them out. if you knock them out, nothing can happen. >> you want to go for a knock out? >> i'd rather go for a knock out. yes. >> if you get to the convention and don't have the delegates, is any kind of a deal acceptable to you other than you getting the nomination? >> then you have to fight it out. but it's really unfair. let's say you get there and are a few short but you have 1200 and somebody else had 500 or 600. because i'm way ahead and in all
fairness to ted, he's the only one who beats me but he doesn't say i beat him two or three times for every time he wins one. we've won the important ones, the big ones and won last night. last night was a romp. so, look. the problem with ted is he walks in with the bible, holds up the bible. you know i call him lying ted. puts down the bible and then he lies. i've never seen a man lie this much. >> you think for a guy who says he's very religious, you are surprised. >> i call him lying ted. and that's his name. and i think frankly that name has stuck because the evangelicals are on my side. they don't like liars. vngcals do not like liars. >> if it goes to convention, you are a couple short or couple hundred short, for you, that doesn't matter. it's got to be you as the nominee? no other deal is acceptable? >> i think this. if you go to the convention and because of some artificial number that they said, if you go to the convention and are leading by a lot of delegates, i
think you should get the nomination. and that will be me. i'll have far more delegates. whether i get to that artificial number, i don't know, but i think i will. >> you've had a lot of money thrown against you the last couple of weeks. >> there has never been anything like it. >> this whole never trump movement, is it dead? >> i think it's mortally wounded. marco had a very rough night. he got no delegates. he got nothing. and that was a very, very bad night. and, you know, when people have hit me, if you watch, and it's been the story of my life. i better knock on wood. but everybody that has hit me has gone down. they all came at me. perry came at me. i can go through lindsey graham came at me. bush came at me. every one of them came at me. and every one of them that's come at me has gone down. and wouldn't it be nice to have that happen with our country where we can very simply win again? >> what do you think was rubio's demise? >> i think he tried to be don rickles. he wanted to be don rickles and he's not.
and it took me by surprise. i'm standing at one of the debates and all of a sudden, he got nasty. he was very nasty. >> did he get under your skin? >> no, no, he didn't. nobody gets under my skin. you have to handle it. but he was really rude. and, in fact, for a while, i wasn't even sure if what i was seeing was right. then he had a horrible debate with chris christie where he folded, totally choked. you know the expression. once a choker, always a choker. >> do you think going after you with jokes, humor, insults, that took him off his message? >> i think so. he wasn't only joking. he was insulting and made up insults and nasty insults. >> and it weakened him? >> it turned out to. i didn't think it would. i hit him pretty hard. i hit him much harder. but maybe for me it's more natural. it wasn't natural for him.
and took him off his game. amazing, i've never seen anything like it. he went from doing pretty good to now he's at the bottom of the pack. >> i want to ask you about cruz in a minute. in a big picture, have you given much thought to how you want to define the gop? you will be not only the nominee but the standard bearer for the republican party. how do you want to redefine the gop? >> the biggest story in all of politics, all over the world right now -- i've been on the cover of "time" magazine four times in the last short number of months because of what's happening. there's a movement. and it's millions and millions of people that are disgusted with the incompetence of our politicians and leaders. if you want to call them that. i don't even call them that. >> republicans and democrats? >> republicans and democrats. and i'll get to the republicans in a second because they are blowing a great opportunity. you have primaries. and millions of people more are going to the primaries and voting. in all fairness, it's because of me. i'm not going to joke. it's not because of ted cruz who nobody cares about. millions of people are going to the polls.
more people than did four years ago and did ever. by the way, ever. you report on it. millions of people, it's the biggest story. and people come up to me, mr. trump, when i'm signing autographs or shaking hands. 50 years old, 60 years old, i've never voted before, but i'm so proud to be voting. >> so you want a more populist gop? >> no, no, i'll tell you what. i'm a conservative person. i don't think the labels matter. they say he is not -- jeb bush used to say he is not a conservative, okay. he used to go, he is not a conservative. i would say, what difference does it make? who cares. i have very conservative views. but one view that probably isn't considered conservative, but is is smart trade. i want smart trade. >> your position is similar to bernie sanders in a way. >> his response to that and critics who say he's destroying the gop brand and perhaps the party itself. blues he talks about his victory
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he's right about one thing. the world is ripping us off on trade. it's been a horrible thing. a horrible, horrible experiment. i've been against it for years. if you look back, i've been against it. in fact, your friend wolf blitzer did a tape of his interviews with me from like 15, 17 years ago. i was saying the same thing, a little different nations like japan was really ripping us off. >> your position is pretty un-republican. larry kudlow who is positive about your corporate tax policy, he's critical of you on trade. he says that essentially it's going to be raising prices for people on consumer goods, on electronics, on cars and other items. and it's essentially a tax on people who can't afford it. >> i've heard larry. let me tell you what's going to happen from a practical standpoint, from a negotiating standpoint. the world is ripping us off because of manipulation. monetary manipulation, devaluations. okay? they are brilliant. the greatest player of them all is china. nobody has played the valuation game with their currency better. it's currency devaluation, than
china. china is a grand master. japan is doing very well. but some of these countries are absolute masters at it. when we start getting tough, and they think that we're serious, and i'm totally serious. i'd put a tax on it in two seconds. >> you talk about a 45% tax -- >> i've talked about different taxes. >> i'm sorry. >> i said use it as a negotiating tool, and i would if we couldn't make the right deal. >> that would raise prices for consumer goods. >> china just devalued their currency recently more than they have at any time in more than two decades. this was shocking. the only reason they did it is because we're weak and have no leadership. it makes it impossible for our companies to compete with chinese companies and china generally. it makes it absolutely impossible. the threat of me doing this, for instance, the threat of doing it against japan or china, tell japan, when your cars come in you'll have to pay a 35% tax. i only use 45% if somebody is
really egregious and now you have many people that are really egregious. >> you are seeing this as a negotiation tactic? >> absolutely. you know what's going to happen? when they see that we're not playing games, because i would do it in a heartbeat. i'd love to do it. when they see we're not playing games they'll stop playing with their currencies and stop taking our jobs to the extent they're taking them now. >> you worry a lot of people in the republican establishment. you know this better than anybody and you don't like the nbc/"wall street journal" poll. you a new one came out today, six in ten say you are harming the gop's image. two-thirds have a negative impression of you. how do you go about bringing the gop back together? >> look, first of all, millions of people now are voting more as we just said. more than they were four years ago. eight years ago. 16 years ago. millions and millions of people. they'd never seen anything like it. i was in south carolina and a woman came up and said, mr. trump, i've done this for 24 years. i've never seen anything like
it. >> there's a lot of higher voter turnouts. you are saying that's bringing new people in and that's going to bring the gop together? >> many more people are coming in. you know where they're coming from? they are democrats independents and people that never voted before. and don't kid yourself. the people that never voted before, that's a huge part of it. they are coming in in tremendous numbers. so many people have told me that, anderson. they said i've never voted before. these are people that are 60 years old. i'm not talking about somebody that's 18. they never voted before. and they are coming in. i've had hundreds of people telling me that just walking down the line shaking hands. >> so when lindsey graham said in january choosing between you and cruz would be like being choosing between being shot and poisoned -- >> i was hard on him. he was very nasty. they were all nasty. when they are bad you have to do something about it. lindsey graham started at 7%. i got into the race.
and he attacked me. and lindsey graham went home at zero. lindsey graham in south carolina where he's a senator was at 1 when i was at 40 and i won south carolina. just so you understand. and i watch this guy who ran for president and he left in disgrace. he was a fool. he left in disgrace. in disgrace. he made a fool out of himself. i don't think he could be elected again in south carolina because he ran so badly. then i see him on television like nothing happened talking about donald trump. donald trump is this. donald trump is that. i destroyed him in the sense of we were competing. we were combatants. then i hear him talking about the war. i've been doing this for ten years. i know more -- you know why we've been doing it for ten years? because of guys like him. he wants to attack syria and isis at the same time, okay? now for what reason? i want to knock out isis. you do one at a time. >> how does the gop differ under donald trump than under president bush, than under -- >> it would be smarter. it would save money.
it would have balanced budgets. it would have many more products made in the united states. it would have smart trade, not free trade. just so you understand, i'm a free trader. the problem with free trade, and it's a very big problem. we need smart leadership. to have free trade successfully, you have to have a really smart group of people at the top and person. we don't have that. we have people that are grossly incompetent. we're dealing against china. i've made a lot of money dealing against china. i have buildings -- i own the bank of america building, a chunk of it in san francisco. i got it by competing against china. i competed against him. i won and i have these great assets. i've told you before, i have the biggest bank in the world is a tenant of mine. in manhattan. i sold condos to the chinese. i get along great with the chinese. i have no problem with the chinese. i wish we could do it. i respect china. they've gotten away with murder. the single greatest theft in the history of the world what china
has done to the united states. we've rebuilt china with what they've taken out of our country. >> i want to ask you about ted cruz. ted cruz says flexibility is washington code word for he's getting ready to stick it to the voters. what does flexibility mean to you? >> he had a lot to say about senator cruz. his top rival in the polls. more of our conversation with trump just ahead. plus what to watch for in tonight's democratic debate here which starts at the top of the hour. hillary clinton and bernie sanders facing off in the wake of his unexpected win in michigan and just a few days from florida's important primary.
we're a little more than a half hour away from the democratic presidential debate. univision is hosting it. cnn is bringing it to you live. you can watcher right here on cnn at the top of the hour. tomorrow the republicans will be debatesing at the university of miami. florida's primary is on tuesday. and tonight donald trump is riding a new wave of momentum
after winning big in michigan and mississippi last night. he also won the hawaii caucuses. i sat down with him earlier today. we talked about his rival ted cruz who also had a big win last night in idaho and got a ringing endorsement today from carly fiorina. i want to ask you a couple things about ted cruz. you talked about the importance of being flexible. >> he's totally inflexible. >> cruz says flexibility is washington code word for he's getting ready to stick it to the voters. what is flexibility to you? >> it's negotiation. >> you can work with democrats? >> i wrote the art of the deal. >> how important is unlocking gridlock in washington? >> important. very important. we have total gridlock. nobody can do anything. we have corporate -- you look at corporate inversions which the senators don't even know what it is. we have companies leaving our country. they are leaving for two reasons. because the taxes are too high and i would cut taxes very
substantially. and larry kudlow loves my tax plan. taxes are too high because they can't get their money back. they have money outside of this country. billions of dollars, big corporations like pfizer that are leaving and moving to ireland. they have money out there. every democrat agrees we should let it come back. every republican agrees we should -- they all agree we should let it come back. who wouldn't. in other words, let the money come into the united states. they have agreed for four years they can't make a deal. you know why? there's no leader. i could sit these guys down in a room and within 20 minutes we'd have a deal. >> donald trump as president reaches out to democrats and republicans? >> that's the way it was set up. >> there are some conservatives who say it's more important to stand on principle than compromise. >> i watched ted cruz make a fool of himself. i watched ted cruz filibuster for -- how long did he filibuster? two days or something. i also watched 99 senators sitting back and laughing at him saying when do we get back to work. they don't get along so getting back to work doesn't mean anything.
his filibuster did nothing. what did it do? you wasted a day and a half while he sat there and told stories about alice in wonderland. >> what's do you want to make deals with democrats on? where do you see room for a compromise. >> corporate inversion. that one can be done in two seconds. the money has to come back in. they have $2.5 trillion, probably $5 trillion. the government says $2.5 trillion that companies want to bring into the country. they can't bring it in. some companies are leaving to get their money. not just for taxes. they are leaving because they can't bring their money back in. i could solve that problem in ten minutes. but there are many things. we have to make a better health care deal. we have to work on education. we have horrible education. we're number 30 in the world in education and yet number one per pupil in cost. >> so those are all things you can make compromises on with democrats to get something done? >> of course. you can't be inflexible. if somebody wants to sell this house and they want a billion dollars. i want a billion dollars. you have to negotiate a little bit. okay. >> the other knock that some conservatives make, certainly on
president obama. they say he's sort of an imperial president. one of the things cruz is saying about you. the pledge that you are having people make at rallies. he says that they are treating your supporters like subjects to a king. the implication being as president -- >> it's just words. it's just words. it's just words with ted. ted is a guy who -- he's a very inflexible guy. you will never make a deal. you talk about gridlock now. if ted cruz became president you wouldn't have anything done and washington would be a total piece of stone. you wouldn't make any -- just so you understand, he talks about -- he's a constitutionalist. the constitution was set up with senators and congressmen and you are supposed to work and make deals. >> do you see the constitution -- >> two parties. could be more than two parties but two parties. >> do you see the constitution as a living breathing document that -- or as something set in stone from long ago? >> i see the constitution as set in stone.
i see it as one of the great documents of all time. i also see it as something that says you have to sit down and make deals. if ted wants something, health care and he won't negotiate, the other side is not going to negotiate either. there has to be a little bit of movement. >> that's key to you to engridlock? negotiation. >> i'm going to make a better deal. >> on foreign policy, and maybe you've been running a campaign. have you started thinking about a trump doctrine? when for using foreign power overseas. what criteria do you look at? >> there can be no doctrine because everything is different. every situation is different. and i didn't want to go into iraq and i'll say it 100 times. they say, well, you were on howard stern's show years before it ever happened. he asked me that question and he's a friend of mine. a good guy. much different than you see on radio. >> it is a great interview. >> but howard asked me and i said, well, that's was the first time it was ever asked. i'm an entrepreneur. they don't ask me should we go into iraq at that time?
this was long before we went in. you could see i was very hesitant. look -- >> what criteria would you use for sending troops somewhere? >> going into iraq, my opinion, was one of the worst mistakes in the history of this country. one of the worst decisions ever made in the history of this country. it started everything that's happening today in the middle east is because of that one decision to go into iraq, okay? it was a horrible decision. including the migration. everything that, you know, it's a mess. now if saddam hussein was there, would we be better off? absolutely. hey, this was not a nice man. this wasn't a great guy, but saddam hussein did one thing. he killed terrorists. a professional killer of terrorists. now you want to be a terrorist? you go to iraq. that's called the harvard of terrorism. whether it's gadhafi, terrible decision, hillary clinton. whether it's saddam hussein, we were a lot better off before. >> do you think -- >> and besides that.
iraq did not knock down the world trade center. just in case you had any questions. >> do you think islam is at war with the west? >> i think islam hates us. there is something -- there is something there that is a tremendous hatred there. there's a tremendous hatred. we have to get to the bottom of it. there's an unbelievable hatred of us. >> in islam itself? >> you're going to have to figure that out. you'll get another pulitzer, right? but you'll have to figure that out. but there's a tremendous hatred. and we have to be very vigilant. we have to be very careful. and we can't allow people coming into this country who have this hatred of the united states. >> i guess the question is -- >> and of people that are not muslim. >> the question is, is there a war between the west and radical islam or between the west and islam itself. >> it's radical but it's hard to define and separate because you don't know who is who. these two young people that got married, she supposedly radicalized him.
who knows what happened? bottom line is they killed 14 people. they gave them baby showers. they were friends of theirs and walked in and killed them. there is an unbelievable hatred. look at paris. 138 people killed. many, many people going to die in the hospital. mortally wounded, horribly wounded. horribly wounded. and they walk into a room and boom, boom, boom. there's a sickness going on that's unbelievable. and you have to get to the bottom of it. >> you talked about going after the families of terrorists. you have now reversed that essentially. >> i didn't reverse anything. >> you'd still want to go after the families of terrorists? >> i didn't reverse anything. >> donald trump had a lot more to say about what tactics he would try to use against terrorists. how far he's actually willing to go and what he thinks about waterboarding. what we talked about today, some were calling -- we also talked about what some were calling his surreal victory speech last night. and we ask our panel what they are expecting to see at the democratic debate at the top of the hour.
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looking at the two podiums here in miami. less than 20 minutes now from hillary clinton and bernie sanders will be facing off in a democratic debate. cnn is bringing the univision debate to you live. i interviewed donald trump fresh off his victories yesterday. and his victory speech he used to showcase trump products that aren't actually products that are available. steaks. some are calling it a qvc moment fueled by romney's recent remarks. i asked trump about that. you'll hear his response in a moment. first let's pick up the interview where we left off before the break. where does trump stand now on his comments about going after the families of terrorists?
>> you'd still want to go after the families of terrorists? >> no, i didn't reverse anything. i clarified simply we have laws. we have to obey the laws. >> killing the families of terrorists would be against the law. >> i didn't say kill. we have to go after them. the family knows -- >> what does that mean? kidnapping them? >> we have to do something. it's the only way you stop it. i tell the story of general pershing in 1919 how he stopped terrorism. in the philippines. you'll take a look at it. it's too long a story to tell on the tape. it would take the whole thing. it's one of the very interesting and very powerful stories. look, we're going to have to be a lot tougher. we are playing with a different set of rules. isis chops off people's heads. isis drowns people in steel cages and pulls up the cage an hour later. everyone is gone. 40, 50, 60 people. at a time. and we want water board. >> you said the other day we have to play the game the way they play the game. >> we have to play the game at a
much tougher level. >> what does that mean? >> we have to expand those laws. >> does it mean cutting off heads? >> no, it doesn't mean that but we have to expand the laws. >> what does expand the laws mean? anderson let me explain something. we are playing at this level and they don't care. they have no rules. and we have these rules that are very onerous. our military is -- >> geneva conventions on war. there is rules in the battlefield. >> i know that, but it's funny. it's very interesting what's happens with the geneva convention. everybody believes in the geneva convention until they start losing and then, okay, let's take out the bomb when they start losing. we have to play with a tougher set of rules. we have laws. we don't allow waterboarding. think of this. isis is -- these are smart people. these are people that know the internet better than we do and we're the ones that's, you know, came up with it. isis is sitting around. they just chopped off 20 heads of christians and others. they just drowned 40 people. and they are sitting around watching us arguing about waterboarding. >> you say increase the laws and
do more than waterboard, what is that specifically? >> i'll work it with the generals. i'll work on that with the generals. >> i talked to general michael hayden. >> he says it's terrible we talk that way. that's why we've been fighting this war for so many years. >>, et cetera a four star general, former head of the cia, former head of the fbi. he says your foreign policy ideas are frightening. >> he frightens me because we've been fighting isis for many years and this shouldn't have taken -- this should have been over with quickly. we have these people that are frightened because i'm protecting -- >> you think the problem with fighting isis is that we're not using the same tactics? >> we're not fighting it strongly enough. we have to ends it and we have to get back to rebuilding our country. our infrastructure is falling apart. our country is falling apart. our bridges are falling down. do you know 60% of our bridges are in dangerous condition? and we're spending trillions of dollars in the middle east. we have to fight it viciously and swiftly and we have to knock out isis. now i didn't want to go into iraq.
but the problem now is the way obama got us out was a disaster. and if you remember, when we got out, and i said it on your show two or three years ago. i said take the oil. did i say take the oil? >> yeah, you did. so are you still in support of waterboarding and more? >> i'm in total support of waterboarding. it has to be within the law so i have to expand the law. a lot of people think it's not within the law now because of this administration. so they are allowed to chop off heads and we aren't allowed to waterboard. somehow we're at a big disadvantage. i will tell you that right now. and i was going to give you the analogy. so they are sitting around having dinner. they eat, too, even though they chop off heads and drown people, and they are talking. can you imagine the conversation when they are talking about how weak and soft and pathetic we are and they go out and chop people's heads off. they can't believe it. the fact is, just in a nutshell, we have to be much tougher. if we're going to beat isis, we
have to be much tougher than we are. when you have general hayden saying, oh, that's so terrible the way trump is talking. that's why we're losing. >> i have to ask you. i watched the press conference you gave last night. the victory speech. obviously huge night for you. just a couple factual things. the steaks you showed, those aren't actually trump steaks, right? >> no, i buy them. i'm not going to kill the cow. >> they aren't sold -- >> no, no, we sell -- excuse me. >> it was to fight back against what mitt romney said about a failed business. >> trump steaks. we sell the steaks through my clubs. i have many clubs and hotels. >> but they aren't sold at sharper image. >> no, they are sold differently. >> that business is gone. >> it's the same thing. it's an offshoot of it. it's the same thing. we do a tremendous steak business. >> those steaks weren't bought locally from a meat supplier? >> if i'm in california, i don't want to buy my steaks in new york.
we have different suppliers. >> so you order -- >> we have different suppliers and sell the steaks. largely to our hotels and clubs and things like that. it's a small business but it's still there. >> and the magazine is not the trump magazine that mitt romney was talking about? >> i've had many magazines. every time i open a business i'll sometimes open a magazine for a period of a year, get the business going and then close it. >> people were pointing out today saying the items you were showing last night, in order to push back against mitt romney, you know, the implication was those are trump steaks available nationwide somewhere. >> they are available nation wide. you can buy them at different places i own. i own many, many places. >> you can buy them if you eat in your restaurant here? you can't go on the internet and buy them. >> that magazine has been with me for a long time. >> that's not the trump magazine romney was talking about. >> i opened up many magazines when i start a business. i will ekeep it open for a year or two after the business gets going. and after the business gets going, you close it up. it's like a lost leader. because frankly you don't make any money with these magazines.
>> finally, the debate tomorrow night, do you expect the tone and tenor to be different. the last one was tough. you had people on both sides coming after you. >> it's such an interesting question. i think it's going to be much different. i must tell you, last time, i was leading. and by the way, i don't know how you feel about it but every single poll said i won the last debate. drudge said it. time magazine said it. they do that poll, with hundreds of us thats of people calling in. but every -- i was in the 60s and 70s percentile. now when i went into that, i said, this is going to be an interesting evening. it's going to be an evening. many people said, oh, boy, i wouldn't want to be you tonight. that was going to be a tough evening. they were like wounded. they were really wounded. i think this is going to be much different. i may be wrong. but i am now far and away the front-runner. i think -- here's the thing. the republican party are sitting on something that's so graph. they are sitting on on millions and millions of people that want to be part of it. the worst thing they can do is
knock me out. if i get knocked out, if i don't make it, every one of those -- >> you think they'll start to coalesce around you? >> i am the only one that can beat hillary and easily. i'll bring in michigan and new york. the path is much tougher for a republican. you understand that structurally. because if they lose ohio, it's over. if they lose pennsylvania, florida, it's over. but i'll bring in states -- first of all, i'll win florida. >> will you debate cruz if it's one on one? >> yeah. that's fine. i don't mind. >> you would do a debate with cruz -- >> i don't think he's a good debater. frankly, the way i look at ted, it's very phony. i think ted is actually a bad talker, pretty good debater, bad talker. can't talk. i don't mind debating him at all. the problem is when i debate somebody, then people say i'm not a nice person. but they say you won the debate. >> so bottom line, tomorrow night you are expecting a different tone but you'll be ready for anything? >> i think it's going to be softer, but i'll be ready. i think marco will be a
different person. marco has been mortally wounded. you know, question is will marco even be there? i hope he makes the right decision. i'm not going to make the decision for him. but marco has been pretty badly wounded. it will be interesting to see what happens. kasich is interesting. he said he was going to win michigan and he lost. he said he was going the win it. he said to you. i watched him on your show. >> he never said he'd win. he says he would do very well. >> he says he would win michigan. he didn't even come in second. i was of the impression if he didn't win michigan -- i'm not talking about ohio. i'm talking about michigan. if he didn't win michigan, he'd drop out. he came in third. he didn't even come in second. it will be interesting what he says. and ted is ted. we've been playing the game for a long time. these debates to me are getting very boring, if you want to know the truth. >> mr. trump, thank you. >> have a good time. >> thank you. >> thank you. a lot to talk about in that interview. just ahead, some reaction to what donald trump said. steaks and all.
the univision democratic debate will be starting here on cnn in a few minutes. watch it right here. stick around for that. a lot of excitement in this hall. also looking forward to our cnn republican dpbt at the university of miami tomorrow night. in light of my conversation with the gop front-runner, i want start offer panel discussion on donald trump and then talk about the democrats. his victory speech last night, his opponents andt also the path going forward. joining us is cnn inside politics anchor john king and chief political analyst gloria borger.
you know, it's interesting to hear trump. you and i were talking about this. he's aware of the moment he's in. >> take the whole interview globally. very measured, leaning back. you asked him about larry kudlow. six weeks ago, donald trump would not have let you finish that sentence. he would have jumped and attacked larry kudlow. he would have been more combative. he understands. you heard a bit of it last night before he got into the infomercial. keep the republican senate and congress. he understands the moment that he's very close to being the presumptive nominee and trying to seem more measured and, frankly, in a word, presidential. >> he can't stop himself from like going back to what mitt romney said about his failed businesses showing steaks which are not steaks that are -- they aren't trump steaks. they are bought from a local meat seller in west palm beach called bush brothers. yes, they are sold -- >> irony there? bush brothers. >> it is a minorly ridiculous point. but the fact he was sort of fibbing about it in a nationally broadcast press conference is kind of surreal. >> he can only exhibit a certain amount of self-control to a point, i think, and i thought he
was trying to do so with you today because, clearly, people have gotten to him and said, okay, you need to act presidential. then when you ask him a question, he turns into sort of donald trump who has to go on the attack, attack, attack. >> he got most of the way through. ted cruz doesn't get under my skin, doesn't get under my skin, roar! >> i want to bring in our partner from univision. alisa menendez. thank you for joining us. >> great to be here. >> what are you looking for on this stage tonight. it comes at a critical time. we did a debate on sunday with the democrats. the stakes now. a lot has changed. >> and the candidates understand they are speaking to a broad audience but specifically to a latino audience which univision knows it caters to. top of mind, economic issues, one and three latino voters say that's what's top of mind for them. immigration, of course. a deeply personal issue. to this community. a study said 1 in every 3 latino voters actually has someone in their family who is
undocumented. when you think about that, that's an issue not only that you might say to a pollster it's important to me. it's an issue that actually it gets you out of the door on election day. >> and i've also seen polls where they show donald trump very unpopular among latino voters in a general election. i'm curious how much they try to define the gop as donald trump a party and talk about donald trump. >> i think they would be insane not to. democrats see there's an opportunity for them to pivot to the general election to use trump as an example of what the gop stands for. and yet, even though you see a vast majority of latino voters saying that they finding trump's remarks on immigration abhorrent, only a small percentage thinks it's reflective of the republican party overall. so the question is, if it's someone other than trump, if it is cruz, can he get out from under the damage that trump has done? >> tonight you'll see hillary clinton hug president obama to a certain degree on the executive
orders on immigration. but on the question of deportation and the number of illegal immigrants deported is a very big issue in the latino community. we'll see how she deals with that. >> i think a fascinating question is who are they talking to? they have a national audience. bernie sanders is a newcomer, from the state of vermont. he is trying to build a national audience. does he want to focus there or on ohio or illinois next week? he has a national audience even though he is on the univision debate. also on the trade issue, does he want to talk like he talks in the rust belt about you're getting screwed by these deals? we need to be tougher, take them away. well, in florida and among the latino community, a lot of small businesses do a lot of business throughout the hemisphere. family relationships, historical relationships. the tough on trade argument you can sell in michigan, ohio and illinois is a little different here when you get to florida. >> does hillary clinton start to -- did she learn some lesson from what happened in michigan and start to pivot that famous word in politics which you can interpret in a multitude of
different ways? >> i saw a statistic that should make the clinton campaign nervous which is about 18% of the early voting that's been done in the state by democratic voters are from voters who did not vote in the last two elections. those are voters more likely to come out and vote for an outsider candidate which is what sanders is trying to position himself as. you have the possibility of seeing the type of spike we saw in michigan that pollsters missed actually happen on election day. >> it's such a diverse state, though, right? and i think that somebody who can win florida in either party can say, i have an appeal to a broad coalition because this is in many ways three different states. so either one of them would want to win this state. >> just in terms of delegate count. you have that floating around in your head at all times. bernie sanders had an amazing win in michigan. surprised a lot of people,
certainly, in the pundit world. the path forward, though, is tough. >> yet she stretched her lead in the delegate race. is the path forward is tough. >> and her campaign says it is okay. we took a punch. we did not want to lose michigan. the sipsychology of the race isf bernie sanders can take ohio or illinois. if he has a stronger showing. last night was an opening. it was not a game changer. next tuesday could be a game changer. she wants to put him back in his place. make him a message candidate. they have reasons to escalate the attacks, but there are risks. that's why i'm fascinated by the chess. >> how aggressive will it get tonight? we saw the tension on sunday with the issues of nafta and trade. will they come out from the get-go? >> i think they might. it is hard to say. so much is at stake, particularly for bernie sanders right now. i can't imagine that he would
back off. he was very aggressive at the last debate. i think he will continue. >> i want to thank john king and gloria borger. thank you so much for joining us. so much happening in the race for president. republicans in just hours will take the cnn debate stage. pivotal elections in ohio and florida. just days away. this as overnight, hillary clinton and bernie sanders held their most contentious debate yet. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. i'm here in new york. there he is. he's in florida. >> john berman here at the university of miami. the site of the republican debate. it is thursday, march 10th. breaking overnight. hillary clinton and bernie
sanders head-to-head in miami. they took part in a bilingual debate held by univision. this was the first meeting since the huge news of the week. the bernie sanders upset in michigan. before michigan, hillary clinton, she had been pivoting to a general election fight toward donald trump. pivot no more. now hillary clinton's attention by necessity back on bernie sanders. sanders' attention on hillary clinton. this was as direct as contentious as it has been. senior correspondent brianna keilar with the latest. >> reporter: john and christine. hillary clinton getting sharp questions about e-mail practices while secretary of state and trust worthiness. bernie sanders questioned by the moderators about being a career politician. at this univision debate. bernie sanders failure to
support reform in 2006 and 2007 when he sided with labor unions. and sanders took on hillary clinton for her issues with undocumented immigrants. and their positions on children fleeing violence in central america came up. >> honduras and that region of the world may be the most violent region in the hemisphere. gang lords. vicious people. torturing people. children fled that part of the world to try, try, try, maybe, meet up with family members in this country and taking a route that was horrific and trying to start a new life. secretary clinton did not support those children coming into this country. i did. >> again, yes or no. can you promise tonight that you want children who are already
here? >> i will not deport children. i do not want to deport family members either jorge. >> i will not deport children from the united states of america. >> reporter: this debate happening in the shadow of the primary where bernie sanders upset in michigan and despite being down in the delegate count. those two pushing to next tuesday. even sanders says florida is advantageous to hillary clinton. but bernie sanders and his campaign are hoping that what happened in michigan where labor unions are strong, that that may give them a toe-hold in illinois and ohio as well. john and christine. >> brianna keilar for us at the democratic debate. let's talk about the debate. joining us right now is eric bradner. eric, the candidates were tough
with each other. after michigan. it is all new. they are addressing each other differently. jorge was different with them as well. >> hillary clinton was asked if she would step out of the race if she was indicted. she was asked about her e-mail scandal and benghazi. >> let's play about the e-mail exchange. she was asked will you drop out. listen. >> if you get indicted, will you drop out? >> for goodness. i'm not answering that question. it's not going to happen. >> absolutely. >> bernie sanders got tough ones. he was asked about the comments in the '80s about fidel castro. >> since you brought it up, let's bring that up. you can see it there, too. >> in retrospect, have you ever disagreed with the comments you made in 1985.
>> the key issue is whether the united states should go around overthrowing small latin american countries. i think that was a mistake. >> i want to go to the question you asked senator sanders. i think in the same interview, he praised the revolution of values in cuba and talked about how people were working for the common good, not for themselves. i just couldn't disagree more. you know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear people, you imprison people, even kill people for expressing their opinions, for expressing freedom of speech, that is not the revolution of values i ever want to see anywhere. >> so eric, you teed up perfectly it was. how did they handle it? >> they handled it well. this will go on for a while now. hillary clinton, as you said, had tried to pivot to the general election.
she had to pivot right back last night. both candidates launching attacks for the whole two hours. we didn't really see anything too new. we knew these were points of weaknesses. serious questions they have to face long term. it was a win for hillary clinton in that she survived. in that bernie sanders had won that big michigan primary that stunned everybody and here was this chance to really change the story. this is the last debate scheduled for a while. hillary clinton emerged from it with some bad moments, but largely unscathed. >> eric, what i think is new is the stunner in michigan and the realization now from both camps and media and everyone that this feeling of economic malaise is real. even if the numbers in the american economy. what bernie sanders has been selling is resonating. the way he has been hammering
consistently on hillary clinton about her ties to wall street and her big money speeches to goldman sachs. that is playing into the feeling among his supporters that the game is rigged against them. listen him hammer her on the paid speeches last night. >> when you get paid $225,000, that means that speech must have been an extraordinarily wonderful speech. >> so does this mean that you would not think she would have to disclose. >> i would think a speech so great that you got paid so much money for you would like to share it with the american people. i think she should. >> it is interesting, eric. some people who went to the speeches said mostly it was big bankers asking her what was going on in the world. asking her what her perceptions were about different facets of international relations.
not them asking about wall street and wall street regulation. that is beside the points. this is resonating with bernie sanders folks. >> absolutely. perception matters more than reality in the case. in large part because the transcripts exist. we know that. hillary clinton has had months to come up with a good answer to that question knowing that bernie sanders will pound her on it in person every time the two share the stage. still, she doesn't have a good -- deflecting and saying if the republicans sell their speeches. if you combine that with the message on trade from sanders, which we learned in michigan is resonating, especially with the race going to ohio, illinois and missouri and rust belt states. the one-note candidate is singing a pretty effective tune. >> it is interesting. you said hillary clinton doesn't have a pad answer on wall street. she has an answer on why she's not connecting more with voters.
you heard her explain it is not what i do. listen. >> i am not a natural politician, in case you haven't noticed like my husband or president obama. i have a view that i do the best i can and get the results i can and hope people see i'm fighting for them. >> fans of hillary clinton and people within brooklyn love it when hillary clinton shows this side of herself. >> wasn't that fascinating? she is usually too proud to admit that. for a candidate whom authenticity is a problem, that moment is effective. it shows she is willing to sort of explain why a lot of the stuff is tough for her. why she is not the candidate inspiring movements the way president obama did. you know, it worked. it is a way of humanizing her and deflecting this criticism.
frankly i'm surprised she hasn't done more of that already. she is looking to connect with people. that is what bernie sanders does. that was the way of doing it. >> it is interesting. if you get a sense the stakes are higher. you have these big states campaigning in big ways. that was the democratic debate. the republicans doing it too, romans. in hours, the republicans running for president, they have their own debate here at the university of miami. wow! could this one be electric? days to go now before huge winner take all primaries in florida and ohio. they will take this stage tonight at the cnn debate. we will preview it next. . .
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university of miami. here on cnn. as far as we know, marco rubio is coming, by the way. let's talk about the stakes. let's talk about the event and moment. joining us again is cnn political reporter eric bradner. next tuesday is winner take all in florida and ohio. the polls show donald trump leading in florida. 99 delegates at stake. most polls in ohio show trump ahead, but some polls show john kasich ahead. it is not hyperbole to say the stakes are high. >> marco rubio is from this area. things did not work out for him early. he had to show a second act. he had to prove he could go after donald trump. that didn't work out either. now rubio has to find a third act. he is looking at a do or die election in florida next week. the big question is what his strategy is going to be. he has acknowledged these
attacks on donald trump worked and they made him look small. can he regain his footing? find a way to show his political talent? the pressure could not be any bigger than it is right now. >> absolutely. donald trump says he is getting bored by the debates. i am not getting bored. tonight is incredibly important for all of the characters in the political theater. let's listen to what marco rubio said on msnbc about the pesonal attacks on donald trump and where the conversation has gone. >> in terms of things that have to do with personal stuff, at the end of the day, it is not something i'm entirely proud of. my kids were embarrassed by it. if i had to do it again, i won't. this is a guy that has basically offended everyone for a year. mocked a disabled journalist, a female journalist. every minority group.
on a daily basis. use profanity from the stage. that said, i don't want to be that. if that's what it takes to be president of the united states, then i don't want to be president. >> will we see a presidential donald trump tonight and a marco rubio trying to take the high road? >> um, probably not. look, donald trump has improved as a debater. the proof is early on he would have these moments of insults and back and forth with moderators. he would then disappear as the debate went on. a lot of people on stage and he wasn't able to talk policy that effectively. now he is at the center of the debate the entire time. wearing as big a target he is wearing, there is no way he will go the whole night without being attacked and invitation to give to somebody right back. rubio will probably take a
different approach tonight, but he's not going to layoff trump entirely. ted cruz has shown he is broadened to rubio's batman in the beat trump game. i think they will still take their shots at trump. trump is the master of the theater of all of this. he will hit back. he will go on air afterwards and claim he won. he will claim he will have some new insult that came of it all to hit the other candidates with. >> i have to say, it is a safe bet that marco rubio said it was a mistake to talk about donald trump wetting his pants and talk about his hand size. it wasn't about his hands. marco rubio now saying it is a mistake. it makes it impossible for him to do that tonight. a lot of the donors, if you read the scathing articles, they thought it was a bad idea. let's talk about ted cruz. he was endorsed by carly
fiorina. secondly, he has been playing this game with the convention. saying i'm not in favor of the contested convention. i will win the delegates to get. there now he is opening the door that he is willing to fight it out in cleveland. watch what he had to say. >> look, reagan and ford battled it out at a contested convent n convention. if you are fighting between candidates and it is the delegates at the convention elected to do that, that's the way the system works. that is perfectly appropriate. >> that's different. really. >> it is. >> why is he doing this? does he realize he can't get 1,237? >> probably yes. it is really difficult at this point. especially because we're looking at winner take all states at florida and ohio where the idea in terms of stopping trump, even if you are cruz, is to hope that
kasich can win ohio. he really wants to make this a one-on-one race and he wants to do that now. kasich is giving no indication that he will drop out anytime soon. he could very well win ohio. the math just gets complicated here. so cruz is somebody who has organized well the entire time. he could probably do well at a convention. so, there's definitely an increasing realization with everybody who is not donald trump that a contested convention is increasingly possible and probably it's too early to say the only avenue to stop trump. >> every word out of his mouth means something. every step he takes, means something. watch him closely the next few days. stay with cnn. our debate coverage happening at the university of miami all day long. this could be the very last primary debate on the republican side. we do not know.
that's just how high the stakes are. the coverage all day long. the official pre-game at 8:30 p.m. eastern time right here on cnn. you know, christine romans, we're here in sunny miami. i'm told it is sunny at 4:00 a.m. the sun is not out yet. >> it is sunny here and warm in the northeast as it is in miami. thanks, john. economists rate the u.s. economy a b plus. home prices are rising. unemployment is low. gas prices are down 25% from last year. saving americans hundreds of dollars. voters say they do not feel it. bernie sanders and donald trump are capitalizing on those feelings. wages are not rising. families are taking home the same amount of money back in 1995. second, americans without college degrees are being left behind. this demographic used to fill the manufacturing sector. some of those jobs are gone.
non-college jobs are struggling. third, white men are facing changes in the job market. the labor participation rate has declined for six decades. it is easier for whites to get a job, but competition is tougher. there is anxiety in the demographics. the top income earners in america took half the income made in the united states in 2014. i encourage all of you to go to cnnmoney.com and read the story about the trends which is driving what we are seeing at the polls. the energy for donald trump and energy for bernie sanders. state of emergency declared as deadly storms pound parts of the south. there is more on the way. we have that for you next. listerine® total care helps prevent cavities, strengthens teeth
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i'm christine romans in new york. >> i'm john berman at the university of miami in miami. 31 minutes past the hour. this is the site of tonight's republican debate, but breaking overnight. a democratic debate. bernie sanders and hillary clinton faced off here in miami in a bilingual debate sponsored by univision. the timing was crucial. the first meeting since the big drama in michigan. bernie sanders upset win in the michigan primary. before that, bernie sanders, sorry, before that, hillary clinton had been trying to pivot in the general election to donald trump, but now pivot no more. bernie sanders dealing with her. this had the feeling of a heavyweight fight. two full hours worth. we have correspondent brianna
keilar with the latest. >> reporter: john and christine. hillary clinton getting sharp questions about e-mail practices while secretary of state and her trustworthiness. bernie sanders questioned by the moderators about being a career politician. at this univision debate, it was immigration that was the big topic. hillary clinton hit bernie sanders for his failure to support comprehensive immigration reform in 2006 and 2007. when he sided with labor unions. and bernie sanders took on hillary clinton for her opposition to driver's license for undocumented immigrants. an issue for her in 2008. also their positions on children fleeing violence in central america. >> honduras and that region of the world may be the most violent region in our hemisphere. gang lords, vicious people, torturing people, doing horrible things to families. children fled that part of the
world to try, try, try, maybe, to meet up with family members in this country. taking a route that was horrific trying to start a new life. secretary clinton did not support those children coming into this country. i did. >> again, yes or no, can you promise tonight that you won't deport children? >> i will not deport children. i would not deport children. i do not want to deport family members either, jorge. >> i will not deport children from the united states of america. >> reporter: this debate happening in the shadow of the michigan primary where bernie sanders staged a massive upset and got momentum despite being down in the delegate count. both candidates pushing forward to the series of contests next tuesday. even the sanders campaign admits florida is advantageouadvantage
hillary clinton. sanders hopes that the industrial state may give him a toe-hold in ohio and florida as well. >> thank you, brianna keilar. let's talk more about the debate with political reporter eric bradner. eric, this had the feel of the two-hour heavyweight match. they went at each other again and again and the moderators asking tough questions. >> if you want evidence that hillary clinton's head is back in the democratic primary after the loss in michigan, you had to look at the immigration exchange. first of all, she and sanders spent 15 minutes basically having the kind of senate committee room debate that would have driven chris christie crazy in a republican debate. then they both took positions which are actually significant breaks with president obama
promising no deportations. that is significant when you look at the general election and its evidence that bernie sanders is dragging this to the left and hillary clinton is willing to sort of meet him there. hillary clinton is back in this. the knife fight the entire night. clearly they were both ready to attack the entire way through. this is really critical because not only is florida the site of the debate, a big election on tuesday, but ohio, illinois, missouri, north carolina, places where the economy is key and where bernie sanders attacks have given him new traction, those will be big elections on tuesday, too. >> they will. if you look at his upset in michigan, it shows you his pure ideology has been working. the anti-trade. the game is rigged against you. this is how i'm going to fix it with free health care and free college. taxing the rich.
breaking up the big banks. he said that again and again. listen to what hillary clinton said last night about casting herself as a rational candidate and he is selling emotion. listen. >> senator sanders has talked about free college for everybody. he's talked about universal single payer health care for everybody. when you ask questions as many of us have, and more importantly, independent experts, it is very hard to get answers. you know, my dad used to say if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. we deserve answers about how these programs will actually work and how they would be paid for. >> you know, eric, the economists and folks at cnn money, if bernie sanders got everything he wanted, it would be the largest peace time tax increase in american history. people are not voting for a tax increase. they like what he's selling. why? >> they do.
that's what makes this so hard for hillary clinton. she's basically telling the left wing of her party that its hopes and aspirations are impractical. i don't think bernie sanders' supporters think that by electing him they will get all this. that's what he talks about on the stump. a political revolution. he will need a massive turnout numbers to get any of this done. it does make it tricky for hillary clinton to attack him. i thought it was interesting that she mentioned her dad. invoking him saying my dad said if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. it's a way of personalizing it and making it less like an economist attack like an accountant attack on bernie sanders and questioning the authenticity of the proposals. a more effective way to really go after.
>> that was a republican in illinois. i could see bernie sanders people talking about that. on a note of personalizing things, i do think with hillary clinton, one thing that is fascinating, she has been in the public eye for decades. it is hard to find anything new about her. occasionally, she is more revealing about herself. last night at the debate, she was revealing about the question of her political skills and why she doesn't connect with voters and younger voters. listen to her answer. all right. well, what she said which is really interesting, we played it the last half hour. she said i'm not as good of a politician as my husband or as barack obama. we will get this for you in the next half hour. >> it was striking to hear her admit that.
authenticity is a big problem for her the entire race. she is very good at the policy stuff and studying and preparing for moments. bernie sanders comes off as a guy democrats want to believe. hillary clinton's attacks on him have been so scattershod. he aligned she came together with the koch brothers. this is her way of -- >> we can play that right now. let's listen. >> i am not a natural politician, in case you have not noticed like my husband or president obama. i have a view i have to do the best i can and get the results i can and make a difference in people's lives and hope that people see that i'm fighting for them. >> pretty interesting. >> absolutely.
that was a moment she hadn't -- she said that in a couple of speeches here and there, but never on a debate stage. >> eric and john, hillary clinton came out strong about the idea of being indicted for the e-mail scandal. listen to that response. >> if you get indicted, will you drop out? >> oh, for goodness. that is not going to happen. i'm not even going to answer that question. >> was that a good moment for her? >> i don't think democratic primary voters care about that issue. i don't think it will hurt her. what else could she have said at that point? she can't say, you know, yeah, i'm going to drop out. she deflected. it's not something that -- it's a general election issue. >> i think that is the right answer. democratic primary. absolutely. the way to handle it and focus on other things. the things she wants to focus on right now is tuesday with so many delegates at stage in
florida, ohio, illinois, missouri. this is a long fight for months to come, christine. >> thanks, guys. we will talk about the republican side. in hours, the republicans day the debate stage. days before the crucial primary in florida and ohio. will there be an upset or is donald trump unstoppable now?
i think ted is actually a bad talker, pretty good debater, bad talker. can't talk. i don't mind debating him at all. the problem is when i debate somebody, people say i'm not a nice person. >> tomorrow night, you are expecting a different tone, but you will be ready for everything? >> it will be softer, but i'll be ready. i think marco will be a different person. marco has been mortally wounded. you know, question is will marco even be there? these debates are getting boring if you want to know the truth. >> these are the live preparations being made in the hall at the university campus. what a debate this promises to
be. joined by cnn political reporter eric bradner. eric, this is it. the last debate before the big voting on tuesday. florida, winner take all. ohio, winner take all. delegates at stage in illinois and missouri as well. these candidates may never been on the same stage again. >> these are winner take all states. that means dominos fall quickly. lots of delegates move in a way that has not happened so far. a lot of candidates are trying to recalibrate and figure out how to handle this evening. marco rubio especially is under pressure. he is here in miami. his hometown. he's under a ton of pressure to find some way to claw back into this before tuesday. if he doesn't win florida, he has no real path forward. the question is what he's going
to do to try to reassert himself or regain the stature he may have lost after going hard after donald trump. trump, meanwhile, is clearly the frontrunner right now. he is predicting a softer tone. he always mixes it up on the debate stage. it will be fascinating. >> i think so, too. i was watching that interview with anderson cooper and donald trump. he is trying of late or people have been telling him to appear more presidential. try to act like you have the nomination and act like you will be president of the united states. anderson tried to get specifics from him on policy. there was a moment with the war on islam or radical islam that is illustrative. >> do you think islam is at war
with the west? >> i think islam hates us. there's something there that is a tremendous hatred there. we have to get to the bottom of it. there's an unbelievable hatred of us. you will have to figure that out. >> the question is is there a war between the west and radical islam? >> it is radical, but it is hard to define or separate. you don't know who is who. >> so donald trump policy prescription is unclear. what would be the trump doctrine. he said it has to be case-by-case. he said he could fix corporate indoctrine. he could fix that in ten minutes. he didn't say how. donald trump is not being specific about policy, is he, eric? >> no.
he has the tremendous salesmanlike quality to never get pinned down on anything. when he talks about trade. he is talking about mexico and china and japan. what are you going to do about it? will you start a trade war? he never really offers specific policy prescriptions. as a debate stage gets smaller, he is under more pressure to do that. that is something ted cruz has made a point of in recent debates. for trump, it's all about showing strength. all about showing he can't be intimidated and won't back down. that is what people are buying into. >> it is like he is selling confidence, not selling a solution. and there is something happening in america that they want that confidence. >> that's why it's so fascinating to watch his reaction to the mitt romney attacks. he does this event on tuesday
night and he brings out the trump steaks. >> qvc style sgrch. >> he is aware that is what he is selling. he is selling the trump brand like he has been doing for 20 plus years. now he is doing it on the political stage. >> big debate tonight. the stakes are the delegates up for grabs. florida, winner take all. 99 delegates at stake. there is a power player in the state of florida. former governor jeb bush. he was running for president not too long ago. he hasn't endorsed. a lot of talk he would endorse marco rubio. we are learning that jeb bush is going to meet with all the non-trump candidates. what is going on here? >> this is really telling that he's not only meeting with marco rubio. so much was made about the mentor-mentee relationship. these guys know each other since
tallahassee. now jeb bush is meeting with rubio and ted cruz and john kasich. we know he is not going to support donald trump. that's just not going to happen. by not throwing rubio a bone here, it's kind of cold. it reflects both in anger with rubio with the way it plays out. a pretty calculating awareness that rubio might not last much longer. you saw carly fiorina, another former candidate, endorse ted cruz yesterday. jeb bush hasn't a weighed in. remember, right to rise, his super pac still has money. he is a power player in florida. >> if he is meeting with all tr three guys, it is unlikely he will get that endorsement for marco rubio. stay with cnn all day long.
our pre-game before the big debate itself tonight. the debate coverage itself begins at 8:30 p.m. eastern time right here on cnn. christine. >> john, you know, bernie sanders and donald trump agree on one thing. they say international trade is killing middle class jobs and gutting the middle class. that is resonating with voters, but is it true unions and left leaning think tanks like nafta and others are job killers. conservative and free market experts say trade benefits americans with lower prices. the truth is somewhere in between. what's clear? the middle class is shrinking. now comprise of 49% of the nation's population. down from 61% back in 1971. trade has prompted factories to close and jobs to move overseas. also the rise of technology. america's shift to a service based economy is hurting jobs.
forcing some worker nooss into wage positions. when given a choice, american consumers for decades have chosen the lower cost product. economists say these changes would have happened regardless of the trade agreements. dow is up four of the past five days. oil has a chokehold on the market. will that change? we have a look at your money next.
let's get an early start on your money. oil and stocks finally moving in opposite directions. dow futures up, but oil is down almost 1%. that tight relationship between oil and stocks, likely not over yet. it is an encouraging sign we have not seen that frequently stock markets in europe edging lower. and shares in asia finished
mixed. check of the dow in the past five session, four modest gains. crazy volatility earlier in the year hopefully fading. it will need catalysts to push higher. for the year, the dow is down just 2.4%. essentially the dow is one rally away from breaking even after all that drama in january and february. nasdaq posting a deeper loss down 6.6%. s&p down 2.6%. another volkswagen executive is out following the company's emissions scandal. the ceo michael horne is stepping down after agreement with the company. he spent the past 25 years with the company before becoming the ceo of volkswagen america in 2014. he said he had no knowledge of the software to beat the emissions test. the company is being sued and could face fines of $18 billion.
volkswag volkswagen global ceo resigned last september. "early start" continues right now. the race for president on fire this morning. republicans just hours from taking the cnn debate stage. pivotal elections in ohio and florida. this as bernie sanders and hillary clinton held their most contentious debate yet. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans in new york. >> i'm john berman. it is debate-apalooza. we have the republican debate at the u tonight. breaking overnight, it was bernie sanders and hillary clinton head-to-head here in miami in a bilingual debate sponsored by univision. the timing of the debate fascinating. it comes just after the stunning
bernie sanders upset in michigan. clearly reshuffling the stakes of the race. hillary clinton, you know, she had been pivoting toward a general election fight against donald trump. well pivot no more. at the debate overnight, it was all about bernie sanders. they went one-on-one for two full hours. throwing bombs. facing tough questions. it was a sight to behold. we have correspondent brianna keilar with the latest. >> reporter: john and christine, hillary clinton getting sharp questions about e-mail practices while secretary of state and about her trustworthiness. and bernie sanders questioned by the moderators about being a career politician. at this univision debate, it was immigration that was the big topic. hillary clinton hit bernie sanders for his failure to support comprehensive immigration reform in 2006 and 2007 when he sided with labor