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any time. have a wonderful weekend. we'll see you back on monday. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news in the capture of the last known paris terror fugitive. he spent four months on the run as the most wanted man in europe. and now four months after the slaughter of so many innocent people, a shootout, a takedown and arrest of salah abdeslam and four others just outside brussels. in a moment we have details on the raid that got him, as well as how he managed to elude authorities for so long. first, how we got here starting with the worst day imaginable in one of the most beautiful cities on earth. november 13th, 2015, paris under siege. started as a typical friday night. ended with five coordinated
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attacks. restaurants and bars. a soccer match. a concert. all hit nearly simultaneously by three coordinated teams of terrorists leaving 130 people dead and hundreds more wounded. but it was this man who soon became the center of the investigation. 26-year-old french national salah abdeslam who police believe handled the logistics of the attacks and was the only suspected terrorist of the ten involved to have survived. hours after the attack, abdeslam managed to evade authorities and travel towards belgium with two acquaintances. the car he rode in was even stopped near the belgian border and his documents checked. but police didn't know who they had and they let him go. touching off a massive manhunt. in the months since, there have been some 100 separate raids and the arrest of nearly 60 suspects. but, still, no abdeslam.
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the search for the fugitive turned into an international dragnet spanning multiple countries, including even the united states. but the trail was cold until tuesday of this week when authorities found abdeslam's fingerprints during a raid in southern brussels in which one person was killed and two others escaped. and then this -- a shootout today between belgian authorities and abdeslam. the hunt for this wanted terrorist came to an end in the place it began. the small city of molenbeek just outside brussels. so walk us through what happe d happened. >> as you said, this extraordinary sequence was triggered almost by happenstance. it was what they found in that raid on tuesday. the ferocity of the response they were met with in that raid on tuesday that tipped
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authorities off if two suspected militants were willing to come out blazing with kalashnikovs, it gave them the sense that someone very important had been in that property but had at that time escaped, evaded their capture. that's when they started broadening out their net. dozens of house searches, of raids, investigations ultimately leading them here where local residents told tus was yesterday evening where they started sensing there was an intensification of activity. once the raid started about 4:00 p.m. this afternoon, he was captured pretty quickly, about ten minutes past 4:00. if you can believe he was brought out. even though heis believed to have been uninjured. also with him are three members of the family harboring him. abdeslam grew up very close to this address here and it's clear that when he felt that net closing around him, he came back
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to where he felt safest. >> the fact he came back to that neighborhood they've been searching for months, what does that tell us? shows us how established some of these established and neighborhood networks are. >> absolutely. i think also you can't ever underestimate the power of fear. we were just here last week trying to speak to people about these recruitment networks, about this -- about why this specific suburb is such a fertile ground for radical, violent jihadist ideology. and so many wouldn't speak to us, wouldn't meet with us or speak to us on camera. there is so much fear in addition to those familial bonds. he grew up here. abaaoud, the mastermind of the attack lived only a few streets away. very much entrenched within these communities. that is the uphill battle that's faced belgian authorities from the start.
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they've had no intelligence penetrations or really no meaningful intelligence penetration into these communities. >> the fact he's been taken alive, if he starts talking and giving up details, that will be certainly good news for the investigation to learning exactly what happened in the paris attacks and how far it went. >> absolutely. and they have already said that even just coming this far into the investigation, they are realizing how little they knew about how wide that network actually was. and what the french and belgium authorities are repeatedly stressing to us today here is this isn't over. the fact that salah abdeslam has been caught might provide some solace, some respite to those families in paris but in terms of the threat level, the danger here, this continues to be a very fluid, very worrying situation for authorities. >> thanks for the update. let's get perspective from
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our national security analyst peter bergen. also cnn counterterrorism analyst and former senior cia and fbi official philip mudd and paul cruickshank author of "agent storm -- my life inside al qaeda and the cia." this big break in the manhunt came, what was it, tuesday? >> tuesday is the key day. in the afternoon on tuesday, belgian police moved in on an address in the southwestern part of brussels. they believe that that address was linked to the paris attacks in some way but they weren't expecting to find anybody there at all. they ran into this big gunfight. the terrorist -- three terrorists inside opened fire. two of them got away, including salah abdeslam. and then after get away, according to the belgian state media, then got in touch with an associate in brussels who was under surveillance already by belgian authorities. that's what allowed them to know that he was then going on to
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molenbeek. >> since the attacks in paris they've conducted 100 police searches. the fact that abdeslam may have been hiding in these very neighborhoods where they were looking, what does that tell you about how he was being hidden and how well protected he may have been? >> i think back to whitey bulger, one of the most wanted people on the fbi's most wanted list for more than two decades, and he evaded capture, despite the best efforts of the fbi. if somebody is really being careful, after all, this is only four months. it's not like four years. be careful about their communications, internet communications, cell phone usage and the like. >> the fact that he went back to this neighborhood was with a family he had known for a long time. does that -- one way to look at it is that the number of potential people who would have hidden him is relatively small if he has to go back to known
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associates. is that accurate? >> i think there's a couple of ways to think about it. there's an additional piece. that's a cultural piece. you have a neighborhood here where security forces, intelligence services, the police are not welcome. so i don't think it's only the family and friends protecting him. it's an environment where local people in the community do not want to talk to the police. it's not about protecting a terrorist. it's about saying, we don't want the police in our neighborhoods. the second story, i think that's interesting, it's not clear he had an exit plan. i think he initially anticipated dying. he did not go back to syria, i believe, because isis expected him to die and he didn't think he would be welcomed after he backed out. so i think he returned and had to go to this small circle because he didn't have an option. >> paul, do you think that's true? >> one member of this cell protecting him was muhammad belkayeed, a senior isis operative. there was some speculation he was persona nongrata within
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isis. part of the isis set-up because he was with a senior isis algerian terrorist. that terrorist was the guy providing covering fire allowing him to escape on tuesday from that apartment in brussels. muhammad belkayeed, they think he was one of the senior powers behind the paris attacks. coordinating it from brussels over the phone when they were attacking in paris giving orders to people like abdelhamid abaaoud. the fact they managed to kill him on tuesday, every bit as significant as the capture today of salah abdeslam. >> has anything changed in europe in terms of sharing of intelligence and information? that was one of the things we kept talking about when we were there in the early days of the coverage how this guy abaaoud was able, though he was wanted, was able to move from syria back into europe to get into paris. >> i think one indicator of that, things have improved. interpol has a list of about 5,000 names, many from western
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countries of people that they believe are foreign fighters. and to assemble that list of names, multiple european countries have to proffer their list to interpol. the situation has improved somewhat. >> philip, do you agree? do you think there have been improvements? >> y but i'm skeptical over the long term. what i witnessed at the fbi is when you have an event like this, people are pressured to share information. you are pressured to give information about your own nationals. over time that pendulum swings back. people start to ask questions at the other side of this that is the civil liberties side about why a government in belgium is passing information on belgian citizens to interpol when those citizens haven't committed a crime. so they are very difficult questions that we deal here in the united states about preventive intelligence when you are passing information on one of your own citizens before he's done something wrong. >> we've already seen that in paris. demonstrations against the emergency restrictions that are still in place. >> there have been those kind of
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protests and a big debate going on between security and civil liberties in europe. this san unprecedented threat. isis are rachetting up their international attack planning. and there's real concern as they begin to lose territory in syria and iraq. they lost about 22% according to some estimates. they're going to lash out. they're going to compensate for that by launching more and more attacks in europe. >> do you think the information sharing is better? >> the information sharing has become better. but it's still a lot about personal relationships between, say, a cop in belgium and a cop in france. it needs to be much more systematic at the european level. there's a lot of work to be done in that regard given that this guy is a threat. >> paul cruickshank, phil mudd and peter bergen. donald trump takes a fresh swipe at fox anchor megyn kelly. his latest tweet and the sharp reaction it's drawing. coming up next, protesters now arriving at a trump rally in salt lake city. the question is, after all the
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violence and tough talk from the candidate, what will become a rerun of the mayhem in chicago. will it, or will things stay home? certainly hope they do. mitt romney's latest efforts to stymie trump's efforts to utah slamming him saying who he will vote for instead but not endorsing the candidate he's voting for. we'll try to make sense of that when we continue. look like this. feel like this. look like this. feel like this. with dreamwalk insoles, turn shoes that can be a pain into comfortable ones. their soft cushioning support means you can look like this.
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breaking news in the stop trump effort. mitt romney saying he'll vote
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for ted cruz in the utah caucuses next week. he explained why. today he writes there's a contest between trumpism and republicanism. through the calculated statements of the leader, trumpism has become associated with racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia, vulgarity and most recently threats and violence. i am repulsed by these. governor romney did not, however, endorse senator cruz. either way it moved donald trump to tweet, quote, failed pltial candidate mitt romney, the man who choked and let us all down is now endorsing lying ted cruz. this is good for me. also he said going to salt lake city for a rally. lying ted cruz should not be allowed to win there. mormons don't like liars. i beat hillary. this is the first big event since trump warned of rioting if
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denied the nomination. following a string of protesters at other recent trump rallies. tonight anti-trump demonstrators, members of students for a democratic society say they'll be turning out in force to greet him. boris sanchez joins us from where they're assembling for tonight's venue. boris? >> we're about a block and a half away from the event here at a civics area near the event. you can see there's a lot of anger in the air. a lot of anti-trump sentiment. chants a little while ago. speeches planned and they're going to continue, they say, until trump dumps his attempt to become president. to give you an idea, i reached out to the trump campaign today and asked them if they had added any security to their campaign after recent events. after seeing the sentiment from protesters like these behind me, they didn't respond to the comment. they forwarded my question to the secret service. it's evident from the event we
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saw today and other trump events we've been to that there is enhanced security. despite assurances from the republican front-runner -- >> there's no violence. there's lovefests. these are lovefests. >> reporter: confrontations between protesters and supporters have become routine at donald trump's campaign events. >> knock the crap out of him. i will pay for the legal fees. i promise. >> reporter: crowds cheer on -- >> i'd like to punch him in the face. >> reporter: and seemingly echo the billionaire businessman's heated rhetoric. >> next time we see him, we might have to kill him. >> [ bleep ]. >> reporter: tension between trump's fans and his most vocal detractors boiled over last week forcing him to cancel an event at the university of illinois in chicago. shortly after, fists were flying with skirmishes pouring into the streets. trump accused bernie sanders of playing a role in inciting the
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protests. >> i don't even call them protesters. i call them disrupters. a lot of them come from bernie sanders, whether he much twantsy it or not. >> reporter: he's downplayed the confrontation. >> there's no violence. nobody has been hurt. >> reporter: the hectic atmosphere of trump's crowds found its way on to the stage at a rally in dayton, ohio, on saturday. a 22-year-old protester tried to jump on stage and snatch trump's microphone leaving trump bewildered with secret service officers rushing to his defense. while the secret service has proed trump for months, private security now appears to be playing a bigger role in keeping him out of harm's way. on monday, the campaign had anyone attending a rally in ohio bussed in from about seven miles away. >> i haven't noticed that much of a difference. we've always had the secret service around. and, you know, i feel very secure. >> reporter: as the republican race moves closer to the cleveland convention in july,
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concerns are mounting. not only that protests may continue to follow trump, but that anything short of a trump nomination could lead to clashes on the floor of the convention itself. >> boris, the group protesting behind you, one of the organizers is saying if we get a lot of people out, we'll be much more confrontational. have they explained what they mean by that? >> it's not exactly clear right now, anderson. from what we've seen in this crowd, it really speaks to this campaign season. a lot of anger and frustration. obviously on this side it's directed toward trump. to give you an idea there was a gentleman out here with a vulgar sign. i asked him to get out of the way. there's a lot of vulgar signs and vulgarity spoken in the air and they are set to march to where the trump event is going to take place. it will be interesting to see how the two get along from what i've seen so far, it doesn't seem that it will turn violent the way it did in chicago last
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week because there are fewer people. only about 100 to 200 people here right now. obviously, we'll keep our eye on it and keep you updated. >> i think we got a glimpse of the vulgar sign. our apology for the profanity in the background. let's bring in our panelists. kayleigh mcenany and margaret hoover and angela rye and john king, chief national correspondent, "inside politics" anchor and dean of the magic wall for us. kayleigh you hear these protesters saying we'll get more confrontational. does this play in donald trump's favor? >> absolutely. his whole narrative is i'm seeing vitriol coming from the protesters. when you see signs like we just saw, that plays into the narrative. it plays into this notion that there are very violent leftist protesters that showed up at his rally and shut it down one week ago today. there's a protester who dove on the stage and the secret service had to physically remove donald
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trump in order to shield him from the protester. it helps with the narrative that this not donald trump doing this. this is the left sending people to his events. >> margaret, do you think it hurts what the protesters would like to see happen? >> look, if they are trying to stop trump, they aren't doing anything good. add this to the list of tactics that doesn't work. we have real data that show us that in florida, in the last days before the election, the super tuesday 3 in florida, monmouth university said 22% of people who are going to vote actually voted in favor of donald trump because the protests solidified their protest for him. >> angla, one of the group's organizers said he should be afraid to go to the city. is that -- is that okay to be hearing from protesters? protest is one thing. allowing a candidate to speak, he is the leading republican candidate. >> yeah, i think -- well, a couple of things. just to respond to you all. when you get to a point where the speech is so dangerous and
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so toxic, you feel like you can't help but to protest. a lot of folks turn out because they are part of an agitation strategy. and they can't sit at home and watch this just happen. and i understand. i certainly get it. it is helping donald trump with his supporters, but the speech that he's making and the constant rhetoric is also turning people against him. there's a growing anti-trump movement and that has a lot to do with the protesters' actions. today the campaign saying, you are no longer going to be able to get outside of the pin, press folks. stay inside the pin. you can't film protesters. he knows it's also harmful to his -- not just his rhetoric but his chances in the general. that's the case now. >> what do you make of mitt romney? he campaigned for john kasich in ohio. he says he's voting for cruz in utah. and basically saying an open convention is the only way. >> i think you have two strategies amongst republicans
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who are not for trump. there's this one idea that the only way to do it is to solidify around ted cruz n ted cruz can make block and tackle to the open convention. then this other option that romney supports. if you are in a state that's going to favor john kasich, vote for john kasich. and i think that's what he's doing. clearly in utah, ted cruz needs to get over the 50% threshold in order to get all 40 delegates. since romney can caucus there, he's saying i'm in utah and i'm going to caucus for cruz. >> cruz has often been critical of romney. he was part of the gop's mushy middle is the phrase he used and now this nonendorsement endorsement from romney which cruz is obviously gladly accepting. the rules have been completely thrown out. >> yeah, up is down. down is up. east is west, and west is east. if you are dead right. if you listen to ted cruz in the early days is i'm not john
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mccain and mitt romney. i'm the guy who is not going to be squishy or promise you i'm a conservative and get to the general election and bolt for the middle. the fact that mitt romney is saying ted cruz tells you everything about the desperation in the republican establishment to stop donald trump. will it work? margaret makes a key point. donald trump needs 5 5% of the remaining delegates. if he wins arizona on tuesday, that's winner take all. that would get him 50% of the day. he'd be essentially on track. the question is can you deny him anything out of utah? and what donald trump is hoping for -- hope to win but it's a caucus state. cruz has tended to do better when you get to conservative caucuses. if he stays below 50% and kasich picks up some delegates, even if donald trump gets 30%, then he picks up 12 delegates. add those to arizona, which would be 58. donald trump has a good day and lowers the percentage he needs from 55% to 52%.
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>> do you think mitt romney even helps ted cruz or does he kind of help donald trump? >> he hurts ted cruz. the curse of the establishment is upon ted cruz now. and if history is any indicator, that's a bad thing. they rallied around jeb bush. he fell. they rallied around marco rubio, rubio fell. john spoke to this desperation on the part of the establishment to topple trump. where was that same desperation to beat obama in 2012. we saw a much milder mitt romney than we're seeing now. when you are a threat to his country club party elitism, country club establishment. when you threaten that, that's when mitt romney gets angry, not when the left comes after him. >> curse of the establishment. that sounds like something out of "game of thrones." we'll have more with our panel ahead as we wait for the trump rally. donald trump's newest swipe at megyn kelly over at fox news. what he called her this time and the response, the tough response he's getting for it from fox. plus, the latest from the
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welcome back. mitt romney posting on facebook he'll vote for ted cruz in next week's utah caucuses saying he's repulsed by what trump's campaign has become associated with. he did not, however, endorse cruz. trump fired back on twitter calling romney a failed presidential candidate who choked in 2012. ted cruz just wrapped up an event in arizona. sunlen serfaty joins us from phoenix. romney tweeting he'd vote for cruz. not quite an endorsement. what did cruz have to say? >> of course, he is embracing it. as he was campaigning here in arizona, he was peppered with questions from reporters as to why this wasn't a full-fledged endorsement from mitt romney. seemed he was endorsing the idea of strategically voting for ted cruz in utah as a way to get to
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a contested convention. here's what cruz had to say in response. >> i'm very much appreciated governor romney's kind tweet today where he announced he's going to vote for me in the utah election. and he encouraged others to do the same. listen, in my book when someone says i'm voting for you and encourage everyone to vote for you, that's pretty darn good. >> a vote is a vote in the end. the cruz campaign is staying mum on whether cruz and romney will appear together campaigning throughout utah where ted cruz is scheduled to be tomorrow. >> and in arizona, what's cruz's message been to voters today? >> well, today he spent the day touring the border, the arizona border with mexico, talking about the problem of illegal immigration. it's been interesting the message to voters has really been a blunt one about the state of play. he's almost been speaking to the urgency of the moment, ratcheting up his rhetoric about how critical a juncture this is
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right now in the campaign. almost aligning himself with the stop trump movement that this is the time to really go on the offense. we heard him in a radio interview today say, yes, donald trump has the momentum. yes, donald trump is in the lead. but this is a critical moment, he called it, for us to come together and unite. also he's really amping up the pressure on john kasich about his position in the race saying today point blank that a vote for john kasich is a vote for donald trump. >> sunlen serfaty, thanks. donald trump is ramping up his long-standing feud with fox news anchor megyn kelly. here's what's he tweeted a short time ago. everybody should boycott the @megyn kelly show. never worth watching. always a hit on trump. she is sick and the most overrated person on tv. fox fired back saying donald trump's vitriolic attacks against megyn kelly and his sick obsession with her is beneath the dignity of a presidential candidate who wants to occupy the highest office in the land.
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megyn san exemplary journalist and one of the leading anchors in america. we're extremely proud of her work and continue to support her throughout trump's endless barrage of crude and sexist verbal assaults. back wither panel and also joining us, brian stealther, host of "reliable sources." this continues really from donald trump continuing this. what more do you know about it? >> this is something i've never quite seen from fox news before in all my years covering the network. they've been critical of me before and you before, anderson. statements from fox news have been fierce in the past. but this is unique. they are calling the leading republican candidate for president an abuser. they are calling his obsession sick and extreme. and now what does this mean for fox and trump going forward? there was going to be a debate next week. it was going to be on fox. kelly was going to be a questioner. trump is not showing up. kasich is not showing up so we don't have a debate. you have to wonder if trump will appear on fox at all.
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and whether the network is going to treat him differently in the future. clearly this statement, it suggests they don't think -- the quote here, beneath the dignity of a presidential candidate. almost they are saying he's unfit to be president. >> but, you know, richard nixon famously had an enemies list. one can imagine if he's doing this during the campaign, as president, is he going to continue this kind of, you know, war against individual reporters? and at this point, everybody is used to him calling reporters disgusting and the lowest form of life, all that sort of stuff. but does this all really stem from that first fox debate where megyn kelly asked him a question based on statements he had made in the past about women? >> enemies list. there has been chatter this week. some web headlines. using that phrase enemies list. because there have been various incidents, including a couple this week where specific reporters were not allowed to appear at trump events. i don't want to overstate it because there are hundreds of
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reporters covering trump every day without sort of retal yagss. but he seems to have certain axes he grinds and megyn kelly is one of them. notice how fox is using the ward abuser here. almost like they're saying you can't ask a victim of domestic violence, what did you do to cause this? you can't ask megyn kelly what inappropriate question did you ask in order to start this feud? she, according to her and her colleagues, are just trying to do their jobs. i think almost all journalists would agree with that assessment. >> you are a trump supporter. honestly, does this make any sense to you what your candidate is doing? >> i think it's time to pivot and let's focus on the other candidates and not so much the media. however, that plays well with the republican base. any time you attack the media, you have -- >> but we know he attacks the media. points at every rally points and calls them disgusting. whatever. i am not a fan of that. if that's what he wants to do, that's what he's going to do. but repeatedly going after her,
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retweeting her, calling her a bimbo. is that really productial behavior? >> i don't think he should retweet the bimbo. >> calling her crazy pnges it's important to understand where his gripe comes from. it's a very serious contention that started in the first debate. this was the coming out party for the gop. gop voters would get a chance to see the candidate for the first time and embedded in the question about several of the remarks he's made with regard to women, embedded in that question is the notion that he's a misogynist. one of those women came out the next day and said that that was taken out of context. >> isn't he proving her right in the question? he's retweeted the word bimbo in reference to her. called her crazy. it's -- i got to say, i find it stunning. megyn kelly is a very good news person. she's a respected anchor. >> doesn't just attack women. many of us -- many of his supporters -- >> there's nobody else he's attacking like megyn kelly. >> he's attacked rubio as fervently --
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>> rubio is a candidate he's against. >> it's inexplicable. talk about narratives, it feeds this misogynistic narrative and narrative of vulgarity and a thin skin and -- >> is it a coincidence he's attacking an attractive, very smart woman who stood up to him? >> -- as fervently as he's attacked -- it is not targeted at one sex. >> i don't hear him calling charles crowdhammer a bimbo or other -- >> or blood coming out of wherever. >> any male news person crazy. >> he talks about marco rubio's little ears and lying ted cruz. >> you have covered politicians for a long time. have you ever seen anything like this? >> no. i've been on the receiving end of donald trump throwing barack obama's birth certificate back at me. i've had candidates get mad at me in the past but nothing like
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this. find another word for it if it's not an obsession. he comes back to it every few weeks and seems to restir this up. what megyn kelly did in the first debate was perfectly appropriate. he wants to be president of the united states. she asked him bhs own words. she didn't make anything up. she read carefully from transcripts and quoted him, things he had said. sometimes you ask a question the candidate finds inappropriate. voters can decide who is right, who is wrong, whether it's inappropriate. we've all been part of that. but there's something about this -- i assume either he doesn't like a strong woman getting under his skin or there's something about this we don't know. >> one of the women came out and said it was taken out of context. >> but did they -- >> 1 out of 100 -- >> one person on the apprentice wasn't offended that he said he'd like to see her on her knees. >> here's what is really going on. and you just answer the question. you don't attack the reporter and -- >> it also continues the idea that donald trump is incredibly
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thin skinned. something he repeatedly denies. someone who is not thin skinned doesn't continually -- if you are in the public sphere and running for president, you are going to get half the country isn't going to like you and you'll have people on television saying things about you. he's watching television constantly. and constantly responding to people who are saying stuff about him on television. >> i think that's right. because this seems like a touchy issue, i'll use another example. marco rubio who attacked him on the size of his hands and we know it was a pretty silly fight. but he got fixated on what -- the size of his hands at his next rally. he was going on and on responding to this. when it comes to megyn kelly, that one question threw him for such a loop, he has not let go of this. he's been relentless. >> angela, do you think he would have been less relentless if it was bill o'reilly? >> 100%. >> we're going to take a break. we'll continue this conversation on the other side when we come back.
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we're back with the panel talking about donald trump's latest attack on fox news anchor megyn kelly. this is the moment at the first debate that seems to have originally set him off. >> you've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> no, it wasn't. your twitter account -- for the record, it was well beyond rosie o'donnell. >> yes, i'm sure it was. >> your twitter account has several disparaging comments about women's looks. you told a contestant on apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. does that sound like the temperament of a man we should elect as president and how will you answer the charge from hillary clinton who is likely to be the democratic nominee that
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you are part of the war on women? >> i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. >> he turns it to political correctness. i'm not sure that's really political correctness. what you should call women bimbos and whatnot. he goes on and has repeatedly retweeted about megyn kelly. does it give you pause as a supporter? >> no, it doesn't. i know donald trump is not a misogynist. that's what this boils down to. if bill o'reilly asked that question, he would have attacked bill o'reilly just as fervently. we're very quick to jump to race and gender in this country. >> how do you know he would have attacked o'reilly just -- >> he's attacked males just as long. he talked about marco rubio's ears and all physical attribtes of all different sorts of people. it's not a gender specific
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thing. >> do you believe that? >> the reason that's not true is that donald trump and bill o'reilly are friends. they've been friendly for decades, have gone to baseball games together. they're friends. i don't think trump would have assaulted o'reilly the same way. trump has a number of friendly relationships with fox news stars like sean hannity and bill o'reilly. you have to wonder with this new statement from fox if that's going to change in the days and weeks to come. this goes to something really important is sources of information candidates have depended on. we want our presidential candidates, democrats, republicans or whatever to get a wide variety of sources of information, including information they disagree with. when trump watches megyn kelly's show he tweets n complaints because he doesn't like the critiques of his campaign. he also expresses and shares conspiracy theories and other false information in the ways other candidates do not. i think this comes down to what information he's willing to take in. is he not willing to take in megyn kelly's critique in the
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form of a question. that should be concerning to voters, shouldn't it? >> i think that's right. and now he's gone one step further than what brian is talking about calling for an all-out boycott. this wouldn't be so concerning. the verbal assault, he is verbally abusive to more than just megyn kelly. certainly has been of other candidates. but also what really troubles me is michelle fields, the breitbart reporter. these are facts and i refuse to question facts. we saw this and know this happened. was yanked, physically abused. now it goes from verbal abuse to -- >> that's not true. >> let me just finish my point. >> that is in dispute. >> let me just say this is something where even if they say, maybe it didn't happen, the fact that he was willing to run behind his campaign manager and say it absolutely didn't happen and then have him on the stage saying right after the last primary, good job, i think is a problem because even if it
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didn't happen, you can still say, just so we're clear, i will never protect or defend anyone who physically abuses someone. >> and that's why it's so good to see fox news supporting their anchor and supporting their journalist so vehemently. it's very refreshing to see somebody standing up to the bully. back to this question of, is he a misogynist, is he not? doesn't matter. politics is perception. and the perception is there. the narrative is there and all this does is continue. >> kayleigh, i want you to respond and then we have to go. >> as far as the breitbart reporter, in the audio transcript he did not see who assaulted her. if she were to go in a court of law and say lewendowski did this, a judge would say hearsay. >> there is c span video that shows -- >> you see him reaching. you don't see him -- >> you don't see him touching. in a court of law -- >> can you acknowledge the fact
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that your candidate, like normally, let me tell you the expectation -- >> the fact he had him right next to -- >> behind his people. >> we've got to -- >> never abused her. >> we've got to leave it there. thank you for joining the panel. john king as well and all our panelists as we heard, the fox republican debate on monday may be off but this is not monday night here on cnn. all five remaining candidates sitting down with wolf blitzer and me. five conversations, one night, 8:00 p.m. eastern time is when it starts here. meantime tonight, in a few minutes, donald trump holds a campaign rally. his first event since his big victories on tuesday. protesters are outside. we'll get the latest just ahead. look like this.
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continuing to monitor developments at the trump rally in salt lake city. quiet so far, especially inside the venue. we've got a big monday coming up with all five presidential candidates sitting down with me and wolf blitzer. time to turn things over to don lemon for "cnn tonight." this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news is you are looking live now. this is salt lake city. donald trump about to take the stage at any moment for the first time since saying there would be riots if denied the nomination. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. we'll bring you the latest on this as it happens. also the clearest sign the republican party is at war with itself. mitt romney, the man who campaigned with john kasich says he'll vote for ted cruz just to stop donald trump. he says he is repulsed by everything the gop front-runner stands for. will romney's hail mary work? also tonight -- fox news accusing trump of sexist verbal attacks against megyn kelly.