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7:00 am this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we have a great show for you today starting with russia's surprise move pulling out of syria without any warning saying the job is done. i'll talk about that and more with the department of relations richard haas. a man who donald trump says he trusts on foreign policy. what does haas have to say about the donald? i'll ask him. whose the blame for the rise of donald trump? >> we're going to win, win, win
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and we're not stopping. >> many say it's his own party. many political analyst say perhaps we should look across the aisle at the democrats. he'll explain. then it's a 4$400 billion a yea business, drugs. it's risky. it runs like a big business. economist tom wanewright tells us about it. and astronaut sellers has lived an amazing life. more than 30 days in space, three missions, six space walks, he's gazed down at the earth from 220 miles up in space. now he doesn't know how much more time he has on this planet and what he has decided to do with his last days with inspire you. >> i've got 500 days. i'm going to use them. >> first, here's my take.
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the republican surrender has begun. having described donald trump as an unacceptable, unconservative dangerous demagogue, the party establishment seems to be making its peace with the land who keeps winning primaries. the wall street journal editorial page argued against trump for months pointing out that he is a catastrophe warning in donald trump becomes the voice of conservatives, conservatism implodes with him. yet this week it had a lead editorial urging republicans to continue to see if mr. trump can begin to act like a president and above all to decide who can prevent another progressive left presidency. marco rubio has called trump a con artist and compared him to third world strong men. he says trump has no ideas of substance and spent a career sticking it to working people and trying to pray on people's
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fears and encourages violence at his rallies. he says he intends to support whoever emerges as nominee. so do john mccain and house speaker paul ryan. they intervene three times to reprimand trump for his red rick. lindsey graham has called trump the most unfit person to become commander and chief will not say he will not vote for him. indeed, there's one republican senator has committed to not voting for donald trump. ironically, conservatives today are in somewhat the same position republican moderates were in 1964 as barry e streamed towards the republican nomination. it's difficult to understand today how dramatic a break that was for the republicans. as jeffrey documents in his illuminating book rule and ruin,
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the party had prided itself on the progressive stand on race from abraham lincoln onward. he had opposed to the supreme court's decision to integrate schools in brown verses board of education and the 1964 civil rights act. a hundred years of work would be thrown away. trump marks in many ways a larger break from the bass kin gold water. the modern republican party has been devoted to free markets, free trade, social conservatism and fiscal discipline on entitlements. remember, each launched ronald reagan's political career was an attack on medicare. >> to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. >> on every one of these issues donald trump openly disagrees or
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has a fast track record of disagreement with conservatives. over the last decades support has already been collapsing. trump's nomination would transit form the party into a blue collar national movement. much like others in the western world. this would be a very different party from ronald reagan's or paul ryans. 2016 might well go down as a critical election. one that scrambles the old order and setting up a new one. in this respect, it looks like 1964. also, an election that realigned politics shifting southern whites to the republican party ever since. then too there was enormous energy, new voters and a candidate that thrilled his suppo supporters and then the establishment couldn't mustard the commune to push gold water.
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so instead the republican party went to the polls in november divided and lost 44 states. for more, go to and read my washington post column this week. let's get started. after 9,000 authorities by russian jets, putin suddenly announced he was pulling his forces out. did he succeed? did he fail? what explains the decision and what does it mean for the battered country and region? to discuss this, richard haas is the founder of relations. just back from a daring reported trip into syria. first i have to ask richard about something that made the news two weeks ago that concerns him personally.
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when asked who his foreign policy advisers are. richard, you know donald trump has been cage ji and said he consoles himself. one name he mentioned was ewe. it has everyone wondering what the nature of it was. you told npr you offer all the candidates briefings as part of the counsel on foreign relations commission and he took you up on it. >> as you said, we offered briefings to all candidates. quiet a few took us up on it and quiet a few come to speak at the counsel. i don't go into details but as you would expect lots of questions are asked. i tried to explain what you see
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as the fundamental currents of the world. there was the back and forth and donald trump we spent about an hour together and it was the end of august. >> you know there is a petition that has been signed by a whole bunch of very senior republican foreign policy officials including, for example, robert, the secretary of state denouncing trump and committing not to serve in a trump administration. if donald trump ask you to be secretary of state would you? >> what you saw in that letter was in some ways a reflection of the tensions within the republican party on foreign policy. you had realist and i suppose i'm one of those who tend to be multilateral. you had people more knee owe conservative who see the purpose of american foreign policy. more to transit form others done yuan latterly and two groups of
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people reflecting those schools are quiet political as mr. trump. it tends to be more nationalist and suspicious of america's role in the world. more critical of allies who are seen as not doing their fair share. i thought that letter simply reflected again the debate within the party. we've got a long ways to go. we're seven or eight months away from the election. let's see how things play out. >> that was a thoughtful answer, richard. it didn't answer my question. would you serve as a secretary of state. >> fareed, it's so premature. i'm not even considering that sort of thing yet. i have a great job, full time job. it's just speculation on steroids to start imagining whose going to be the nominee and the president and whose going to serve. i think questions like that are simply way ahead of where we are. one thing we should have learned from this cycle is nobody has any idea how things are going to play out.
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>> all right. let's get to substance then. clarissa, give us a sense of the fundamental facts on the ground first. has the russian mission succeeded in what its effort was which was to secure the regime and his grip on power in syria? >> as you said, it was quiet clear spending time on ground. the real purpose of the russian military was to prop up the regime and certainly in the providence there were significant gains made by the regime on the back of that russian air cover. at the same time i think a lot of people were surprised by the announcement it was mission accomplished. there are tons of work to be done. a lot of people are trying to speculate the real reason behind russia's decision. are they worried there's mission
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creep or they're hemorrhaging funds and their economy is hurting with the sanctions? >> richard, what do you think? is this a success for putin? >> well, absolutely. i don't know if you want to call it the powell but this was an attempt to use overwhelming military force for narrow limited political objectives succeeded. what's interesting is the russians were not trying to transit form syrians and they weren't trying to expand the rid of the government over the entire country. it wasn't an attempt to try to pacify all. it was limited and they propped up the government and now things can play out and i think it was good for russia image in the region and on the world stage as a country that's willing and able to do something on behalf of an allie or proxy. >> clarissa, there were reports
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isis lost an additional 20% of its territory and running out of cash. did you get the feel those reports are accurate? >> well, we had just been in a part of the country where isis had a strong presence just months ago. it was clear to see the main thing hurting isis is this real focus on taking out the oil infrastructure. we visited several oil installations that back in the day would have been making isis a pretty penny. they had been taken out by coalition air strikes and definitely, that lack of revenue hurt isis. we know they lost amounts of territory particularly to the so-called forces sponsored by the u.s. they're being created and looking for ways to expand elsewhere. we've seen a huge uptake in their activity. it's fair to say they're trying to think on their feet tra teej
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rancicly and work out other low cost high profile opportunities adds well in the world. >> richard, this week secretary kerry said there was genocide taking place in syria. labeled it as such. does that help in the political resolution in syria? what are the consequences of labels it in that way? >> it's not clear to me it helps unless you're prepared to act on it. i think what we're heading toward is an add version of syria we've seen now. you've got to government controlling parts of country and the kurds the jews, groups like isis. i would expect this is for the time being for the foreseeable future, this is the new syria. in some ways like libya and
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iraq, the era of consolidated states. governments hold sway over the entire territory coming to an end and as an increasing disconnect between what the maps look like and the realities are on the ground. >> fascinating conversation. thank you both very much. next on gps, the rise and rise and rise of donald trump. where does it come from? what's behind it? my next guest says he can trace it to clinton, bill clinton that is. ♪ ♪ it was always just a hobby. something you did for fun. until the day it became something much more.
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two weeks ago i offered my take on how the responsibility for the rise of donald trump fell flatly at the feet of republicans. i said the party's moderates had failed to confront and condemn the ugliness in their party for decades. my next guest puts the blame or responsibility in a very different corner, on the democrats. thomas frank is a political panel cyst and the author of a brand new book listen liberal or whatever happened to the party of the people. welcome to the show. >> it is great to be here. >> so your argument is that both parties really have abandoned the sort of classic blue collar working class man or woman and have become the party of elites and you particularly talk about what happened to the democrats under clinton. explain what you mean. >> yeah, it goes back further than clinton. basically, my idea is we think
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of republicans as a party that represents business and money. the democrats went from being a party that talked about the middle class and working people and labor to being a party very concerned with the upper reaches of professional class. this is who they care about now. the problem with this, the people with advanced degrees, you and me, you know, the problem with this the, what's the big deal, what's the ramifications is that at some point they stopped caring about inequality issues. we're just coming off, coming to the end of the barack obama presidency. a man we thought was a great liberal in 2008 and a man who we thought was going to take on the challenges, at least i thought this. now we look at his legacy seven years later and inequality has
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worsened under his presidency. it's a horrifying and amazing thing. to skip to trump, if i can, i think that working class voters or at least white working class voters have flocked to the republicans to the exact same degree as they've been abandoned by the democratic party. >> you've listened to trump's speeches and you say there's one thing striking about it. he does in the midst of the carnival atmosphere, he takes repeatedly, consistently about one subject, what is it? >> it's trade. trade. he seems to be obsessed with it. he spends the most of his time at the podium talking about trade and companies moving jobs overseas and american workers losing their jobs and what he'll do as president to stop this from happening. what's funny is this is not an outrageous or illegitimate issue. this is a main stream issue. we should be talking about this
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subject. none of this is to excuse what i think the intolerant things he says which are absolutely beyond the pail. a legitimate subject. he talks about it in a powerful way. you want to understand why working class voters are flocking to donald trump. this is it. >> isn't it a false hoax he's giving them. your life is bad. >> he also goes on about our own leaders who made bad deals. and also the ceo's. this is the part that surprised me. there's a video on youtube you can watch of a room full of workers at a carrier air conditioning plant in indiana. he comes on stage and tells them you're moving the factory to
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mexico. this is people, actual humans losing their jobs, finding out their world is collapsing and trump talked about in his rallies talked about how he would phone the ceo of that accompany and how he would threaten the guy with tariffs and single him out with steep tariffs on his air conditioning units when he tries to bring them back in america and sell them. >> my point is you can't do that. it's totally illegal and that's not. >> yeah. that's right. but it was barack obama who said in 2008 when he was running for president he would reme negotiate. it would be tough. it would be hard. >> singling out the ceo. >> of course. you're right. it's emotional. >> he's emotionally powerful. >> it looks like the parties are sorting along class lines where the republican parties are
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likely to become more of a blue collar populist nationalist blue collar party and the democrats are becoming the urban professionals and such. does that strike you as right? >> it's a little more complicated than that but yes, it's a broad peck chur of the last 40 years. >> pleasure to have you on. >> thank you so much. >> next on gps, are you worried about north korea with its hand full of nuclear war heads? what about a country with a hundred of them and juhadis to boot. i'll tell you when we come back. imodium multi symptom relief is the only product that combines two powerful ingredients to relieve diarrhea faster than any other otc medicine. it also eases gas, cramps, and bloating. imodium multi symptom relief. restore rhythm to your digestive system.
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now for our what in the world segment. when we hear about nuclear threats these days, we think about north korea or iran. what about the country who has the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world? that's pakistan. quietly without much fanfare, the nuclear arsenal has increased dramatically in the
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last four years by as much as 44% according to the federation of american scientist. it would be the fifth largest stockpile in the world ahead of great britain. another says they could rank five in the world. that's a dangerous scenario that could lower the threshold for using nuclear weapons and make a nuclear war more likely. pakistan and india have fought three wars.
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they could be easier to steal raising the possibility that juhadist might get their hands on one. pakistan harbors plenty of radicals with intention targeting the nation's military. they have had successful attacks against military relations all over the country including gaining access to an air force base in 2012. there have been attempts to kidnap technicians at the nuclear sites. the u. sft has been concerned enough about pakistan's war heads falling into their own hands it has mapped out plans to send in troops to secure them in the event that something goes wrong there. a snatch and grab investigation.
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>> thank you for coming. >> president obama met with pakistanian prime minister urging him to avoid a risky path for the nation's program. before that meeting, talks were held to place limits on pakistan's arsenal. they don't appear to have made much progress. the obama administration spent years to never gauche appreciate a nuclear deal on iran that doesn't have a singular nuclear weapon. they have a hundred nuclear war heads in its arson. maybe the world needs to pay more attention to this actual nuclear arzal than an imaginary one. next when you think of an illegal drug trade do you think of the guy selling loose joints. it's huge. anywhere between $30,400,000,000,000 a year.
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so why are drug cartels something you want to study as businesses? >> well, they do just the same things as ordinary businesses. in mexico there's cartels involved in franchising its brand. that's how its grown so quickly. just like a restaurant chain like mcdonald's. they go into local areas and meet the criminals. why don't we use your logos and our brand and we would like to take a cut of your earnings. using that strategy, they've been able to spread all across mexico and down into central america. >> of course, for these local groups of thugs, it gives them something which is previously unheard of, unknown and now associated with this famous brand. >> absolutely. it makes them more powerful. imagine someone is trying to exalt you. if they say we're with -- and they're the ones who carried out that massacre you're going to
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take them more seriously. >> what are other examples? >> cartels take public relations seriously. one example i found on the boarder of the united states and i was asking the guy who runs the local morgue if he has any safety tips and he said whatever you do be careful at a quarter till 6:00 in the afternoon and i said why? he said because the cartels times there are in coordination with the evening news and that's when they can make the headlines. that's how they manage their brands in this way. >> what i'm struck by with the drug cartels is people say the leader was able to survive for many years. in these local communities they have enormous support. they have --
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>> el chapo, the last time he was arrested through a protest in his home state, it's bizarre because this is someone responsible for thousands of murders. the reason they're able to get this popular local support is because they take corp. late local responsibility seriously. it sounds strange. if you go to some sparts of mexico you'll find they're invested in building sports facilities and housing and some cases have social security systems and all of this is designed to increase their level of public support. >> these are parts of mexico where the state doesn't function well. so the government is dysfunctional but the cartel is providing services. >> it doesn't provide much for the poor and this leaves a gap for the cartels to get into it.
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their going to say we're going to give you money and small business loans and we're going to provide you with basic security and local people as a result are less hostile tworts them. >> you have a business solution. you say economy will be better police officers than people training in law enforcement. what do you mean? >> one of the main findings to the book, i think, is we've been so far focussing on the supply side of the business and i think there's a good economic case on the demand side. what we have been doing so far is trying to eradicate and looking at dealers in the united states and europe. all of this reduces supply and pushing up price. if you push up price normally you would expect consumption to go down. because most of these drugs are addictive you find consumption remains the same.
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all we do is inflate the size of this illegal market. >> and you legalize? >> i would, yeah. i think you can do one by one. the evidence so far from the united states is that legalizing marijuana is greatly reduced the size of the criminal economy in places like colorado. marijuana makes it hard. taking that away giving it to the legals is devastating for them. it's a huge blow against organized crime. in switzerland they've legalized he -- he row win. it means those addicts give themselves and dealers, stopped dealing. it seems to be working and policies that actually work are few and far between. >> fascinating to look at. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> up next, why this former
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a few have spent 35 days in space. he's blasted off in shuttles three different times and been walking in space on six different occasions. it is not space that he's worried about. it's the earth. he's recently decided to dedicate the rest of his life to saving it. he's currently the director of earth sciences at nasa and his great academic interest the climate change. he's been working on it for most of his life but it wasn't until he got some unexpected news that he decided to vote his very life
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to the cause. welcome to gps. >> great to be here. >> first tell us about this unexpected medical news you got. >> right. well, last year i hadn't been feeling too well and late october i was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and it got to stage four at that point which means your life expectancy is in the year, year and a half time range. i had to figure out what to do with the rest of it. >> i think everyone wonders what would i do in the situation like that after the panic and sense of sorrow and all these emotions swirling in your head. you ask yourself what am i going to do. >> actually the emotions swirling in the head part became about ten minutes and then quickly became focussed what do
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i need to do with the time. i figured out quickly the things i need to do in the pack of my mind were not interesting. i didn't want to go hit all the tropical paradise destinations. i found out i wanted to spend more time with my family and get back to work soon as possible to carry on with the work on climate change. >> you've had an incredible career. what's it like to walk in space? >> it's incredible. if you lean forward in your helm helmet, you can't see edges of it. the visor is crystal clear. you can see over a thousand miles in any direction and you're moving at five miles per second. your going around the world every hour and a half and day and night you see the whole world. you see the oceans and on the night side if you come around the night side of the earth you see the cities.
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they're sparkling away. you see what humans have done and the great cities they've created. so the end of all that, i think a lot more fond of my planet and us humans who are part of the plan. >> and in a way, was that unique perspective of looking at the earth from space that has motivated you for climate change? >> not really. i understood it. i could see how thin the atmosphere is. it's like an onion skin around the world. it's no surprise we could effect it and of course, something like global warming which is what we have, the other perspective was it's one place. it's our home and we ought to take care of it. >> what are you working on now? >> right now, we're working
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pretty hard as a whole on trying to consolidate the facts about how fast things are changing and where they're changing. so you know, the atmosphere is warming, the ice is melting. sea level is rising and there's various other changes. precipitation bands move around which effects where the food grows and where people have access to water. we're observing all those things from space. >> do you think we're moving fast enough? >> i remain optimistic. i think we're going to be much later and over shoot the 2 degree target probably almost a certainty. just to share a bo list rancic month mental of the world's economy pushes us towards that development. but, i think the people realize there will be a lot of damage downstream if we don't stop taking action sometime soon. so the solutions will probably
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be implemented rather later than the scientist would like. that's life, right. that's quiet often the case. >> what do you make of the last hold out which is the american political system? you hear the republican candidates, i don't think one of them would agree with you that the science is a done deal. >> well, i can't speak to specific politicians because i am a civil servant. my job is to provide the public and policy makers both sides with the fact and theories. the accepted theories are rock solid, by the way. these computer predictions. if you don't like the theories, you probably shouldn't get on the aircraft. that thing is built. i would say that you could fool yourself. if you conflict with mother
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nature, she'll win every time. >> you say we have time. >> it's hopeful. i have to be realistic. my condition has a 1% chance of survival so you know, i've got 500 days. i'm going to use them. >> pleasure to have you on. >> you too. thanks very much. >> next on gps, the ways about donald trump except for one country. can you guess which one? i'll tell you when we come back. twell what if i told you that peanuts can work for you? that's right. i'm talking full time delivery of 7 grams of protein
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finally, good news on the climate front. carbon emissions from energy production levelled off for both of the fast two years. this welcome update at the time at battle has been atributed to the increase of solar wind and other renewable energy sources. that bridges me to my question. what percentage of new electricity in 2015 came from
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renewable sources. 20%, 50%, 70% or 90%? stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is not a book but a television show. one of my guilty pleasures has been for the americans. it's not such a guilty pleasure because it's high quality is a wonderful reconstruction of the last decade of the cold war, the 1980s. season four begins now. set your dvrs and if you haven't seen previous seasons i recommend ding watching over the spring break. now for the last look. in resent months donald trump has faced criticism from many angles, from democrats. >> we should be breaking down barriers, not building walls. >> to republicans. to rowdy protesters, to governments. >> what would be an appropriate response? >> to the global media? the british parliament banned
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him from entering the country. german press called him the world's most dangerous man. the list goes on. in china, the official reaction to trump has been muted but china's own global times published an editorial this week that called trump a racist, a na narsist and abusively forth right. it pointed out trump's rise was part of a trend. muse leanny and hitler came to power elections. they wrote a heavy election for democracy. donald trump illustrates the case against democracy. but the news isn't all bad for the donald. on the hold, the media in russia as been portraying trump positively in news reports and television programs. with a top anchor on the state owned tv flatly endorsing him. of course, that is probably because russia's president has
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called him a brilliant and talented man who is the absolute leader in the campaign. all i will say is it takes one to know one. last week we asked if the presidential candidates should be talking about legalizing marijuana. well, bernie sanders is in favor of decriminalizing pot and proposed a bid on the senate that would do just that but the bill has little support. we should have noted that. the correct answer to the gps challenge question is d, according to the iea's preliminary statistics released this week, roughly 90% of the world's new electrical generation in 2015 came from renewable sources. what's more than half of new capacity came from wind power alone. significantly, the report highlighted the efforts of one country in particular, china. the world's biggest carbon has reduced its coal usage by about
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10% in just four years. coal is now responsible for under 70% of china's total electricity. thanks to all of you for being part of my program. i'll see you next week. >> hey, good morning. i'm brian skelter and it's time for reliable sources. a weekly look at the stories behind the stories. how news and pop culture get made. new this hour, the infamous spat with donald trump and whether he's ever going to get a proper interview with the g.o.p. front runner. a lot that explains a lot about this election season. we examine people's brains while watching a g.o.p. debate. we're going to show you this is your brain on trump. plus nina, the supreme court discussing big interview with president obama about his supreme court justice case and whether it's