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i'm erin burnett live in havana today. any minute, president obama and the cuban leader will speak live right here. the very first time an american president has set foot in cuba in nearly 90 years. a pretty stunning moment over the past couple of days. seeing the people here getting ready. some of the excitement on the streets. i want to go live to ed lavandera on the streets of havana. as we get ready, it's been a significant day and of course
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windy and cloudy today but not raining like yesterday so people are able to b out and enjoying it. >> we've been walking the streets here throughout the morning and wherever you go you hear the word obama popping up from every conversation so clearly everyone here in the city paying a great deal of attention. for a lot of these people, it's hard to get information about what is happening. the coverage in the state-run media here, minimum, considering the nature this historic visit and considering how much the cuban government has criticized the u.s. government for decades. but it obviously speaks to the delicate diplomatic situation raul and obama find themselves in, as both men are feeling each other out, trying to figure out
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what is the next step here. so many people paying close attention to that, erin, and a great deal of expectations about what all of this will mean for regular people here in this country. many people you speak with say they want to see not only economic changes but political and democratic changes as well. the ability to vote for more than one political party here in this country. but at the same time, many people say they're unsure about whether or not this visit will really begin to change any of that in earnest. so those are the kinds of things they're looking at, but the buzz about this visit is incredibly intense throughout the city, erin. >> it is true. i was meeting with some of the dissidents at the ladies in white and, you know, asked them about obama's visit. they like obama. it's not that they were anti-obama in any way. they sort of said look, the reality of it is, he's not going to see any real cuba. he's seeing a prepared cuba the government wants him to see, not the real cuba. we would welcome his visit, is what they told me, if he was going to see the real cuba, if
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change was going to come, but that's just not going to happen. it seems to me the majority of people when you talk about obama, they just get a huge smile on their face and there's a real palpable excitement. even in the rain yesterday, right, you were standing, i know, a block away from me. people waiting for over an hour just for a chance glimpse of president going by. >> to you point about whether or not president obama will see the real cuba, that drive along the waterfront, which is the historic picturesque scene many people see, they shut down that street essentially. many people blocked and kept from coming up to the street there to see that procession, that motorcade. many speaking for days about wanting to see the presidential limousine, the beast, as they say it here in spanish so, you know, the president drove past all of these homes, dilapidated. to that point, whether or not he's seen the real cuba, one of the jokes many people in cuba like to say is when a dignitary
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of this stature arrives here, they try to figure out what the pathway is and they can tell that by the streets are repaved, the -- >> ed, i'm sorry, the president has just come out along with raul castro for this press conference or at least a speech. let's listen in. >> translator: mr. president barack obama, we are pleased to welcome you on this, the first president from the united states of america to our country in 88 years. we have observed in the 15 months that have passed since the decision was made to establish our diplomatic relations, we have obtained concrete results.
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we were able to resume direct postal exchanging and we've signed an agreement to resume commercial flights. we have signed two memorandums of understanding of the protection of the environment and maritime areas and another one to secure the safety of the obligation. today, another one will be signed. on cooperation of the area of culture. at the moment, another set of bilateral instruments are being initiated to cooperate in such areas as counternarcotics, the
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safety of travelers and health. about this last issue, we have agreed to deepen our cooperation in the prevention and treatment of transmissible diseases such as zika and nontransmissible chronic diseases, cancer included. this cooperation is beneficial not only for cuba and the united states but also for our hemisphere at large. following the decisions made by president obama to modify the application of some aspects of the blockade, cuban enterprises and their american counterparts are working to identify possible commercial operations that could
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materialize in the still restrictive framework of existing regulations. the fact is some have already materialized, especially in the area of telecommunications. an area in which our country already has a program on sovereignty, one that can control the proper views of the areas of significance. progress has also been made to the acquisition of medicines. medical and equipment for power generation and environmental protection. these among others. much more could be done if the blockade were lifted.
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we recognize the position of president obama and his repeated appeals to congress to have it removed. the most recent measured adopted by his administration is positive but insufficient. i had the opportunity to discuss with the president other steps we think could be taken in order to remove restrictions that remain in force and make a significant contribution to the debunking of the blockade. this is essential because the blockade remains s is in forcet
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constraints outreach. i put forward to the president some examples on this. showing their negative consequences for both cuba and other countries. the blockade stands as the most important obstacle. that's why its removal will be of the essence to normalize bilateral relations. and actually it will also bring benefits to the cuban immigrants who wish the best for their families and their country. in order to move forward towards normalization, it will also be necessary to return the territory illegally occupied by the naval base.
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since they stand as the two main obstacles, these obstacles were again dealt with in the editorial ran on march 9 by the official news of the communist party of cuba, and again only four days ago, in the press conference offered by our foreign minister bruno rodriguez. both pieces extensively reported by the media. other policies should also be abolished for normal relations to develop between the united states and cuba. no one should intent to have the cuban people renounce the destiny it shares in freedom and
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democracy. we also discussed international issues. particularly those that could have an impact on regional piece and stability. we had thought to discuss other issues but we did not have enough time. i had planned to raise our concern over the destabilization some are trying to promote in venezuela. something which is considered counterproductive to the overall situation in the continent. i did not have a chance to raise it with them. i'm raising it here. likewise, we talked about the ongoing peace process in columbia. and the efforts to put an effort to that conflict.
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there are profound differences between our countries that will not go away. since we hold differences on many subjects such as political systems, democracy, the exercise of human rights, social justice, international relations and world peace and stability. we defend human rights. in our view, civil, political, economic, social and rights are indivisible, interdependent and universal. actually, we find it
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inconceivable that a government does not defend and ensure the right to health care, any patient, social security, food provision and development, equal pay and the rights of children. we oppose political manipulation and double standards in the approach to human rights. cuba has much to say and show on this issue. that is why i have reiterated to the president our willingness to continue moving forward with the dialogue on this matter that was already initiated on december 17th, 2014, as we announced the decision to re-establish diplomatic relations. i said that we should learn the
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art of coexisting with our differences in a civilized manner. in my remarks, i said changing everything that needs to be changed is the sovereign and exclusive concern of cubans. the revolutionary government is willing to advance to a normalization of relations. for it is convinced that both countries can coexist and cooperate in a civilized matter regardless of their existing and feuding differences and thus contribute to peace, securitiened stability, development and equity in our continent and around the world.
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today, i reaffirm that we should exercise the art of civilized quick systems which involves accepting and respecting differences and preventing these from becoming the center of our relationship. we should instead promote links that can benefit both our countries and peoples. while focusing on those things that bring us closer and not on those that bring us apart. we agree a long and complex path still lies ahead. but what is most important is that we have started taking the first steps to build a new type of relationship. one that hasser in existed
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between cuba and the united states. actually, destroying a bridge can be an easy and quick undertaken. however, its solid reconstruction can prove a lengthy and challenging, a lengthy and challenging endeavor. after four failed attempts and giving proof of the will and perseverance, on september 2, 2013, american swimmer diane nyad managed to cross the florida straits swimming without an anti-shark cage to protect
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her. to that exploit of conquering the geographical differences between our two countries. it was for the national anthems of cuba and the united states were played. she was presented with the order of sport merit. a declaration awarded by the state counsel. some feat carries a powerful message. one that should serve as an example to other lateral relations. for it confirms that if she could do it, then we can do it too. president obama, i reiterate our appreciation for his visit and
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the willingness of the government of cuba to continue moving forward in the well being of our countries, thank you very much. >> president castro, to you, the cuban government and the cuban people, thank you for the welcome they've extended to me, my family and my delegation. for more than half a century, the sight of a u.s. president here in havana would have been unimaginable, but this is a new day. between our two countries. with your indulgence, mr. president, i want to go just
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briefly off topic because during this weekend, i received news that would be of our outstanding united states armed service members, marine staff sergeant of california, was killed in northern iraq as we assisted the iraqi government in dealing with isil, the terrorist organization there, and i just wanted to give my thoughts and prayers to the family there and those who have been injured. it's a reminder that even as we embark on this historic visit, there are u.s. armed service members sacrificing each and every day on behalf of our freedom and our safety so i'm grateful to them. my wife michelle and i have brought our daughters and by the way they don't always want to go with us. they're teenagers now.
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they have friends at home and they have things to do. but they wanted to come to cuba because they understood and we wanted to show them the beauty of cuba and its people. we were moved by the cubans who received us yesterday smiling and waving as we drove in from the airport. we were grateful for the opportunity to experience odd havana and some excellent cuban food. our visit to the cathedral was a reminder of the deep faith we share and also gave me an opportunity to express my gratitude to cardinal ortega who along with his holiness pope francis did so much to improve the relationship between our two governments. not only his role in cuban
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independent but the profound words that he wrote and spoke in support of liberty and freedom everywhere. i bring with me the greetings and the friendship of the american people. in fact, i'm joined on this trip by nearly 40 members of congress, democrats and republicans. this is the largest such delegation of my presidency and indicates the excitement and interest in america about the process we've undertaken. these members of congress recognize our new relationship with the cuban people is in the interest of both nations. i'm joined by america's top business leaders and entrepreneurs because we're ready to pursue more commercial ties to krcreate jobs and opportunities for cubans and americans alike. i'm pleased to be joined by so many cuban-americans. for them and for the more than 2 million proud cuban-americans
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across the united states, this is a moment filled with great emotion. ever since we made it easier to travel between our countries, more cuban-americans are coming home. and for many this is a time of new hope for the future. so president castro, i want to thank you for the courtesy and spirit of openness that you've shown during our talks. at our meeting in panama last year, you said we're willing to discuss every issue and everything's on the table. with your understanding, my statement will be a little longer than usual. president castro always jokes with me about how long castro brother speeches can be. but i'm going to actually go a little longer than you today with your indulgence. we have a half a century of work to catch up on. our engagement with cuba is guided by one overarching goal,
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advancing the mutual interest of our two countries, including improving the lives of our people. both cubans and americans. that's why i'm here. i've said consistently after more than five decades the relationship between our governments will not be transformed overnight. we continue as president castro indicated to have some very serious differences including on democracy and human rights. and president castro and i have had very frank conversations on these subjects. the united states recognizes the progress cuba has made as a nation. and perhaps most importantly, i affirm that cuba's destiny will not be decided by the united states or any other nation. cuba is sovereign and rightly has great pride and the future of cuba will be decided by cubans, not by anybody else.
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at the same time, as we do wherever we go around the world, i made it clear that the united states will continue to speak up on behalf of democracy, including the right of the cuban people to decide their own future. we'll speak out on the universal human rights including freedom of speech and assembly and religion. indeed, i look forward to meeting with and hearing from civil society leaders tomorrow. but as you heard president castro's also addressed what he views as short comings in the united states. around basic needs for people in poverty and inequality and race relations. and we welcome that constructive dialogue as well. because we believe that when we share our deepest beliefs and ideas with an attitude of mutual
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respect that we can both learn and make the lives of our people better. part of normalizing relationships means we discuss these differences. i'm pleased to hold the next dialogue here in havana this year. both of our countries will welcome our visits by independent united nations experts as we combat human trafficking we agree is a profound violation of human rights. even as we discuss these differences, we share a belief we can continue to make progress in those areas we have in common. you said in panama we might disagree on something today on which we would agree tomorrow. that's certainly been the case over the past 15 months and the days leading up to this visit.
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we continue to move forward on many fronts when it comes to normalizing relations. we're looking forward to more americans traveling to cuba. over past year the unin number americans coming here has surged. we gave approval for educational travel. u.s. airlines will begin direct commercial flights this year. with last week's port security announcement, we've removed the last major hurdle. all of which will mean even more americans visiting cuba in the years ahead and appreciating the incredible history and culture of the cuban people. we're moving ahead with more trade. with only 90 miles between us. other steps we took last week allowing the u.s. dollar to be used more widely with cuba. giving cubans more access to the
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dollar in international transactions and allowing cubans in the u.s. to earn salaries. these things will do more to create opportunities for trade and joint ventures. we welcome cuba's important announcement it plans to end the 10% penalty on dollar conversions here. these steps show we're opening up to one another. with this visit, we've agreed to support our farmers and our ranchers. i'll highlight some of the new commercial deals being announced by major u.s. companies. and just as i continue to call on congress to lift the trade embargo, i discussed the steps we urge cuba to take to show it's ready to do more business which includes allowing more joint ventures and allowing foreign companies to hire cubans directly. we're moving ahead with our efforts to help connect more
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cubans to the internet and global economy. under president castro, cuba's set a goal of bringing cubans online. and we want to help. at this afternoon's entrepreneurship event, i'll discuss additional steps we're taking to help cubans learn, innovate and do business online. because in the 21st century, countries cannot be successful unless their citizens have access to the internet. we're moving ahead with more exchanges. i can announce that my 100,000 strong in the americas initiative will offer new opportunities for university students to study abroad. more americans at cuban schools and more cubans at u.s. schools. in going forward, educational grants and scholarships will be available to cuban students and in partnership, we'll offer more english language training for cuban teachers both in cuba and
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online. even as cubans prepare for the arrival of the rolling stones, we're moving ahead. bringing cubans and americans together as well. i look forward to tomorrow's matchup between the rays and the cuban national team. we're moving ahead with partnerships with health, science and the environment. just as we work together in haiti against cholera. i want to give a special commendation to cuban doctors who volunteered and took on some very tough assignments to save lives in africa in partnerships with us and other nations. we very much appreciate what they did. our medical professionals will now collaboration.
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and new research into cancer vaccines. our governments will also work together to protect the beautiful waters of this region that we share. and as two countries threatened by climate change, i believe we can work together to protect communities and our low-lying costs. we're inviting cuba to join us at this spring's regional energy summit in washington. finally, we're moving ahead with our closer cooperation on regional security. we're working to deepen our law enforcement coordination especially against narco traffickers that threaten both of our people. i want to thank the cuban government for hosting peace talks between the government and the farc. we remain optimistic for a lasting and just peace. although we didn't have an extensive discussion of venezuela, we did touch on the
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subject. the country is addressing their economic challenges, is responsive to the aspirations of its people and is a source of stability in the region. that is i believe an interest we should all share. so, again, president castro, i want to thank you for welcoming me. i think it's fair to say the united states and cuba are now engaged in many areas and with each passing day more americans are coming to cuba and working to forge new partnerships with the cuban people. more cubans are benefiting for the opportunities this travel and trade begin. as you indicated, the road ahead will not be easy. fortunately, we don't have to swim with sharks in order to achieve the goals you and i have set forth. as you say here in cuba -- despite the difficulties, we will continue to move forward. we're focused on the future.
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absolutely confident if we stay on this course, we can deliver a better and brighter future for both the cuban people and the american people. so muchos gracias, thank you very much. >> translator: we now will have a short q & a session. i ask the journalists to identify themselves and use the mics in their room. first question for president barack obama. >> first question, jim acosta. >> gracias, president castro. >> translator: thank you, president castro, for your hospitality here in havana. >> urge him to pursue democratic reforms and expand human rights here in cuba, will you invite president castro to the white house? we know he's been to new york. why did you not meet with fidel
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castro? and president castro -- >> translator: my father is cuban. he left for the united states when he was very young. my father is. >> he left for the united states when he was very young. >> translator: this is a new democratic direction for your country. this is a new democratic direction for your country. >> translator: and please, sir, why do you have political, cuban political prisoners? why do you have -- and why don't you release them? and another last question, who do you prefer, hillary clinton or donald trump? thank you. >> well, as i think we both
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indicated, we had a conversation around issues of democracy and human rights. two differentisms of government, and decades of differences both bilaterally and internationally. what i have said to president castro is that we are moving forward and not looking backwards. that we don't view cuba as a threat to the united states. i hope that my visit here indicates the degree to which we're setting a new chapter in cuba/america relations. we will continue to stand up for
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basic principles that we believe in. america believes in democracy. we believe that freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and freedom of religion are not just american values but are universal values. they may not express themselves exactly the same way in every country. or protected legally in exactly the same ways, but the impulse, the human impulse towards freedom, the freedom that jose marti talked about we think is a universal longing. president castro i think has pointed out that in his view making sure everybody's getting a decent education or health care, has basic security in old
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age, that those things are human rights as well. it doesn't detract from some of these other concerns. the goal of the human rights dialogue is not for the united states to dictate to cuba how they should govern themselves but to make sure that we are having a frank and candid conversation around this issue. and hopefully that we can learn from each other. it does not mean it has to be the only issue we talk about. economics, health, scientific exchanges, international cooperation on issues of regional as well as global import are also important. but this is something we are going to stay on. and you know i actually welcome
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president castro commenting on some of the areas where he feels we're falling short because i think we should not be immune or afraid of criticism or discussion as well. here's the one thing i do know. when i talked to cuban-americans and, jim, you're second generation, and so i think i speak not for you directly but for many that i have talked to around the united states. i think there's enormous hope there can be reconciliation and the bridge that president castro discussed can be built between the cuban-american community and cubans here. they're family ties and cultural
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ties that are so strong that i think everyone would benefit from those ties being re-established. one of the impediments to strengthening those ties is around human rights and democracy. to the extent we can have a good conversation about that and to actually make progress, that i think will allow us to see the full flowering of a relationship that is possible. in the absence of that, i think it will continue to be a very powerful irritant. and, you know, this is not unique to u.s./cuban relations. it's one, as you know, i have conversations with when we go to bilateral meetings with some our very close allies as well as
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countries that we don't have as close a relationship to, but i think this is something that matters. i've met with people who have been subject -- that's something i generally have to speak out on because i hear from them directly and i know what it means for them. excuse me. [ indistinct conversation ] yes. >> translator: i was asking if he was -- if his question was directed to me or to president obama. you talked about no -- you talked about political prisoners. >> and trump and hillary.
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>> translator: for him or for me? >> senor president castro. >> translator: for you president castro, what did you say about political prisoners? can you repeat that question about political prisoners? did you ask if we had political prisoners? did you ask if we had political prisoners? i wanted to know if you have cuban political prisoners -- and why you don't release them -- well, give me a list of the political prisoners and i will release them immediately. just mention the list. what political prisoners? give me a name or names or when after this meeting is over you can give me a list of political prisoners, and if we have those political prisoners, they will be released before tonight ends.
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what about your preference for -- [ speaking in foreign language ] >> translator: -- for president obama, i cannot vote in the united states. my question is for president castro. i'm from the cuban tv. president raul castro, you have repeatedly stated and today, once again, that we must learn to coexist in a civilized manner with our differences. could you broaden this concept at this historical moment that we are living? and then a brief question for president obama. president, could u.s. government give more space to eliminate u.s. blockade during your
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mandate so that another generation of cubans would not have to suffer this economic and commercial blockade against cuba? >> translator: the first question was for me? please repeat your question because i couldn't hear well. >> translator: you have said repeatedly -- that we must learn to coexist in a civilized manner with our differences. well, president obama himself has referred to that. we have given the first steps, many for being the first steps, and we must continue giving these steps. and i'm sure that we will be able to coexist peacefully in an
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environment of mutual cooperation as we are doing already many feel for the benefit of both countries and for the benefit of other countries as we have already done. in haiti, when the cholera. and in africa, with the ebola. that is the future of mankind if we want to save the human species. so the water grows. or the level of water grows. and the island may become smaller. that is -- you are making too much questions -- too many questions to me. i think questions should be directed to president obama. >> so we have administratively already made a number of modifications on the embargo.
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i refer to a number of them in my opening statement. and we've actually been fairly aggressive in exercising as much flexibility as we can, given that the law, putting the embargo in place, has not been repealed by congress. there may be some technical aspects of the embargo we can still make adjustments on, depending on problems as they arise. so for example the issue around the dollar. and the need to make modifications in terms of how the embargo was implemented to encourage rather than discourage reforms that the cuban government itself is willing to engage in and to facilitate greater trade in commerce, that
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is something that grew out of the dialogue between our governments and we have made appropriate adjustments to it. it will take some time for commercial banks to understand the new rules, but we actually think that this is an area where we can improve current circumstances. but i'll be honest with you, that the list of things we can do administratively is growing shorter, and the bulk of changes that have to be made with respect to the embargo are now going to rely on congress make changes. i've been very clear about the interest in getting that done before i leave. frankly, congress is not as productive as i would like during presidential election years. but the fact that we have such a
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large congressional delegation with democrats and republicans with us is an indication there is growing interest inside of congress for lifting the epbarringo. as i just indicated my earlier answer, how quickly that happens will, in part, depend on whether we can bridge some of our differences around human rights issues and that's why the dialogue i think is so important. it sends a signal that at least there's engagement between the two countries on these matters. okay. i promised i would take one more question. andrea mitchell of nbc. andrea, if you can get the mic. >> thank you, mr. president. do you feel after your meetings today that you have made enough progress to even accelerate the pace and that the cuban government is able to quickly
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enough, so the changes you have made through the technical adjustments to the embargo, will be permanent, cannot be reversed by the next president? and what advice have you given to president castro about the ability of having the blockade, the embargo lifted? because he has said again today this is continuous issue, which is blocking progress, from their standpoint, and you said the conversations about human rights were frank and candid. and that you want to move forward. but even as you were arriving, there were dramatic arrests of peaceful protests, ladies in white. what signal does that send? can you have civilized coexistence at the same time you have such profound disagreements about the very definitions about what human rights means, as
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president castro has said today. and for president castro, for many of us it's remarkable to hear you speak about all these subjects. you tell us what you see in the future. president obama has not months remaining. you have said you will be stepping down in 2018. what is the future of our two countries, given the different definitions and the different interpretations of profound issues like democracy and human rights? thank you. >> thank you. well, andrea, the embargo's going to end. when, i can't be entirely sure. but i believe it will end and the path that we're on will continue beyond my administration. the reason is logically. the reason is what we did for 50
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years did not serve our interest or the interest of the cuban people. as i said when we made the announcement about normal relations, if you keep on doing something for 50 years and it doesn't work, it might make sense to do something new, and that's what we've done. and the fact there's been strong support, not just inside of congress, not just among the american people, but among the cuban people, indicates this is a a process that should and will continue. lifting the embargo requires the votes of a majority of congress and maybe even more of a majority in the senate. and as i indicated to president castro, two things i think will help accelerate the pace of
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bringing the embargo to an end. the first is to the degree we can take advantage of the existing changes that we've already made and we see progress, that will help to validate this change in policy. so for example, we have said that it is no longer a restriction on u.s. companies to invest in helping to build internet and broadband infrastructure inside of cuba. it is not -- it is not against u.s. law. as it's been interpreted by the administration. if we start seeing those kinds of commercial deals taking place and cubans are benefiting from greater access to the internet and when i go to the entrepreneurship meeting later this afternoon, i understand
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that we're going to meet some uk young cubans who are already getting trained and reason faster at using the internet and interested in start-ups, that builds a constituency for ending the embargo. if we build on the work we're doing in agriculture and you start seeing more u.s. farmers interacting with cuban farmers and there's more exports and imports, that builds a constituency. the possibility of ending the embargo increases. hopefully taking advantage of what we've already done will help. the second area, which we've discussed extensively, is the issue of human rights. people are still concerned about that inside of cuba. now, keep in mind, i've got fierce disagreements with the chinese around human rights. i'll be going to vietnam later this year. i have deep disagreements with them as well.
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you know, when we first visited, people questioned whether we should be traveling there. because of long-standing human rights violations in our view. and the approach that i've taken has been that if i engage, frankly, clearly, stating what our beliefs are, but also being clear that we can't force change on any particular country, ultimately it has to come from within, then that is going to be a more useful strategy then the same kinds of rigid disengagement that for 50 years did nothing. i guess ultimately what this comes down to, andrea, i have faith in people. i think if you meet cubans here and cubans meet americans and they're meeting and talking and interacting and doing business together and going to school together and learning from each other, then they'll recognize
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people are people. and in that context, i believe that change will occur. >> president castro -- >> okay, now i'm done, but senor president, i think andrea had a question. he did say he was only going to take one question, i was going to take two, but i leave it up to you if you will address that question. andrea's -- she's one of our most esteemed journalists in america and i'm sure she'd appreciate just a short brief answer. >> translator: andrea. >> mr. president. >> translator: the other day i asked a question to our foreign minister. andrea.
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but there is a program here to be fulfilled. i know that if i stay here, you'll make 500 questions. i said i was going to answer one. well, i'll answer one and a half. president obama has already helped me out with the answer here, andrea. well, andrea, i was reading here something i think about human rights, but i'm going to make the question to you now. there are -- there are 61 international instruments to recognize how many countries in the world comply with all the human rights and civil rights
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that have been included in these 61 instruments. what country complies with them all. do you know how many? i do. none. none whatsoever. some countries comply some rights, others comply others, and we are among these countries. out of these 61 instruments, cuba has complied with 47 of these human rights instruments. there are countries that may comply with more. those that comply with less. i think human rights issues should not be pollo politicized that is correct. if that is the purpose, we will stay the same way. like, for example, cuba, that does not fulfill all the rights. do you think there's any other more sacred right than the right
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to health? so that billions of children don'tdie, just for the lack of a vaccine or a drug? for example, do you agree with education? i think many countries don't think this is a right. in cuba, all children are born in a hospital and they are registered that same day. because when mothers are in advanced pregnancy, they are -- they go to hospitals days before, many days before delivery, so that all children are born in hospitals. it doesn't matter if they live
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in faraway places or in mountains or hills. we have many other rights. a right to health. the right to education. and this is my last example. that i will mention. do you think that for equal work men get better pay than women just for the fact of being women? well, in cuba, women get same pay for same work. i can give you many, many examples. i don't think we cannot use the argument of -- human rights for
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political confrontation. it is not fair, it is not correct. i'm not saying it is not honest. it's part of confrontations of course. but let us work so that we can all comply with all human rights. it's like talking about -- i'm going to end here because there is a commitment we should end in time. it's not correct to ask me about political prisoner in general. please give me the name of a political prisoner. i think with this is enough. we have concluded. thank you for your participation. >> you have just been watching a
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press conference here in cuba with president obama and president raul castro. a very, very strange press conference. it started out with raul castro speaking. he was talking about agricultural deals. and it sort of seemed like it was going to be perhaps a bit dry. for most people watching. it turned into anything but. they were not anticipated to take questions. not something raul castro does in press conferences. they did take questions. there were some very pointed questions from our own jim acosta on human rights and they answered those questions and there was sort of a bit of who's going be to the bigger person in charge, talking about human rights. the president of cuba point blank denying there are political prisoners in this country. saying give me a list. if we have emthithem, they will released before tonight. saying it is the united states who violates human rights protocols. our guest is a senior policy adviser who has been working and doing business with cuba for 16
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years. this was not what anyone expected. i mean, you sort of saw these two gentlemen. became clear in the meeting earlier they hadn't talked about everything they wanted to talk about. human rights came right to the forefront again and again and again. >> i think it's to be expected actually because this is the first time that the two presidents have come together to actually negotiate some of these issues. i think what it really is, it's the beginning. it's not the end all. this will be a long road. clearly the two presidents didn't agree with everything. but what we're seeing here, they've set -- it's like a spring board for the beginning of the more close relationship and from where we come from as we're looking at kind of commercial advancements, what it's telling us is both presidents are committed to this relationship. will they agree on everything? no. i think that is going to become something that even commercial players, as we're looking at deals that have been signed
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whether it's a commercial travel or advancements in agricultural, what we'll be looking for is continued commitment to dialogue. we won't be looking for continued agreement all the time. >> so how significant will this meeting be? the president of the united states just referenced there he's going to be meeting with human rights groups tomorrow and he is going to be doing that. something the cuban government doesn't want him to do. they've denied they have political prisoners as well. as you heard from the bizarre statement from the cuban president. how significant can that meeting be? this is very important for president obama to draw a line, to say where the united states stands on this issue. >> i think it's significant because it's creating even greater transparency around the issue. if you look at some of the groups out there, they're actually supportive of advancing these relationships. it's significant there's more to
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discuss. >> president obama said i have some more points i want to make. they took questions. they had long answers to the questions. what do you think about the fact they're taking questions at all? we actually anticipated it was likely there would not be. >> we're seeing a lot of new and innovative communications coming out of the cubans. the point they actually took questions is important. we've been seeing the cubans tweeting recently. so they're using technology in a way that's starting to get their messages out. also the rest of the world can start to see and understand what they're talking about. >> big question on a day when the republicans are going to be giving major speeches at the american israeli conference. you have barack obama here in cuba. something that ted cruz for example is against, lifting this embargo. president obama, as you heard him say, the embargo's going to be lifted. will continue after he leaves office. the reality is, a lot of what
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he's doing is a personal thing that he was committed to doing. a lot of it is by executive order. it can be done on the first day of the presidency, if a president doesn't support it. because why would people bet on that if it can be completely reversed in less than a year? >> it won't be undone because over 70% of the american public is in support of this. contrary to what people are hearing, the negative narrative, that's actually a side narrative. he's mentioned he's brought bipartisan congressional members with him. actually there are two comprehensive bills in the senate led by senator chloe batcher and senator moran and these are -- when you go up to the hill and you talk with members, the majority of members are supportive of ending the embargo. i think this is a political problem, not a policy problem. i think generally americans and legislators agree with the policy of ending the embargo.
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>> and one of the other things they talked about was the president kept emphasizing his point of view. here in cuba, there is free health care. the united states doesn't have that thing. therefore the united states is violating human rights. help was saying it was actually more so than cuba because he was denying any sort of political prisoners here. what's your take on that, why he kept saying that, kept saying that, and president obama acknowledged that. and said i acknowledge that some people say -- constructive criticism i believe are the words he used, to refer to issues in the united states. >> he's talking about this constructive coexistence, right? we do have a lot to learn from each other as societies. when you were talking about equality, equal pay for women, which i'm supportive of, and access to education and health care. what he's saying is we can learn from each other. that's what we're experiencing as commercial players, having done business for many, many
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years and continuing to come down here. we are seeing that we are more similar with the cuban people than not. >> do you know, at the very end of that moment, you know, when they walked from the podiums, they walked to each other. raul castro lifts obama's arm in some sort of strange salute. what did did you make of that? >> i didn't notice that. so i didn't notice that, but i think these two gentlemen are getting to know each other and that's what's important for americans and cubans. the more time they spend together, the more reconciliation takes place and the more our two economies can enhance our commercial ties, our social ties. so they're just getting to know each other would be my take on it. >> thank you very much. an historic moment there in many ways. not just this entire visit but that press conference with castro and obama. a lot there that many did not expect.
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a very major speech today he's going to be giving in front of the american israeli conference later on today. he announced his foreign policy team and he's now giving a press conference and we want to listen in. >> with that all being said, if you have any questions, please raise your hand. yes. that's nothing to do with this but that's okay. we met with senator sessions and some of the great people in washington. you pretty much know who was there i would imagine. we had a great meeting. >> i don't have a list now but we have various energies. yes, various senators and congressmen. we can provide a list, if you'd like, okay? no, not at all. we're very inclusive. frankly, jeff and some of the other people just invited a small group. it looks like we're doing very
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well in arizona and very well pretty much every place else. i think we're going to easily make that number of the 1,237. we should make it pretty easily based on what i'm seeing. so we won't have to worry about fighting at a convention. yes. well, i think i'm very different from hillary clinton to put it mildly. i think we have a very different style. i don't think she'll be one that's going to do much with our trade agreements which are killing our country. people have no idea how important that is. the money that is being drained out of our country is enormous. and that's not her thing. it's totally my thing. i think she'll be very, very weak on the military. i think she'll be very weak with other -- frankly, with other countries and the amount of money we subsidize them -- >> want to take you away from donald trump.
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taking you back to havana. president castro seeing president obama off. just a moment. let's take a look. all right. so, again, extraordinarily significant. just the pictures, just to see president obama standing next to the president of cuba. this is history in the making. we know they reopened the u.s. embassy there. there was a bipartisan delegation that went last august and now to see this, this is a big deal. as the president mentioned, he goes on a lot of trips, but this is the first in a while his two
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teenaged daughters have accompanied him. the first family traveling with the president there in havana. we promise we won't go too far from that. let me take you back now. let's rerack it, back to donald trump, in front of what will be his new hotel in washington, d.c. speaking about a meeting he had today on capitol hill ahead of his speech at apac later this evening. >> -- solvent and we have to make our country, frankly, rich if we're going to save all these things. we have to rebuild our military. it's been decimated over a period of years. we've got to get the right equipment, not the wrong equipment. we've got to get equipment that isn't there because of political experience and police call know-how. we want to get the equipment they really want, not the equipment they're getting because politicians have access to certain companies. and we're going to rebuild our military. i think that's going to be a big difference also. she doesn't know anything about
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my policy. her policies obviously didn't work. look at libya. look at anything you want to look at. they haven't worked. i think if you look back at my projections, my prognostications, they turn out to be very accurate. sir. [ inaudible question ] well, i'm going to make a speech about two hours so -- [ inaudible question ] remember, i said i want to look into it. i want to speak to governmental people in israel and here. i want to speak to various senators and various people including senator sessions who's highly -- jeff is highly respected and actually ted cruz i think respected him more than any senator. he thought he was going to get endorsed by jeff sessions and he didn't, jeff sessions endorsed me, which is a very big endorsement. ted cruz still don't believe what happened. doesn't say much about somebody
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when you have almost no senate endorsements. you have almost no senate endorsements and you work with the people all the time. so we worked very, very closely with many people, like jeff sessions. we worked closely with top people from israel. i'm going to be making a speech about it in a little while. say it again. not so much evolved. i said i want to make -- i was asked certain questions. i said i want to make a decision. i'll announce it. that's what i'm going to do today. okay? yes. [ inaudible question ] thank you. are you talking about here? we're doing some of that
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already. what are you looking for? what kind of a position? come up here. come here. smart, good. you mind if i do a job interview? we need good people. how are you? >> i'm fine. >> so what's your experience in front of the world? >> well, i design, i do all types of decorations. >> you like this building? >> yes, i do. >> okay, here's what i'm going to do. there's the man. stand right over here. >> oh, my god. >> if we can make a good deal on the salary, she's going to probably have a job, okay. all right. good. have a good time. thank you, thank you. thank you, so nice. really nice. yes, go ahead. [ inaudible audience question ] >> just to start getting together with some of the people that i've known over the years,
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politicians, in just about all cases. they were senators or congressmen. jim demint was there, who i have great respect for, and some others. we just had a really good meeting. they can't believe how far we've come. because, you know, i think a lot of people maybe wouldn't have predicted that. i think people who know me did predict that. some people would not have -- it was really just a meeting. it's a beginning meeting. it was a very good one with a lot of the most respected people in washington. >> let me bring in my panel. let's walk through what's happened in washington and a lot actually has to do with mr. trump. i have in new york our correspondent phil mattingly. also with us former middle east negotiator aaron david miller, vice president and distinguished scholar at the woodrow wilson international center for scholars. also cnn international political reporter maeve weston and
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political reporter for foreign affairs alliss abbott. aaron david miller, i would be remiss not to start with you here. for the first time now, we have names. i'm seeing five, maybe you have more, five individuals, part of the team with regard to, you know, a foreign policy advisory team. can you walk me through some of these names beginning with the person who will be chairing with jeff sessions? >> jeff sessions i don't know personally but i know of him. he's actually done some pretty good analysis on arab politics and on islam. the other two that are mentioned that i've seen, i really don't know. of course campaign advisers and advisers and preliminary phases of the campaign can change. clearly this group will have to grow. it's a cruel and very unforgiving world out there. having people around you who are
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prudent, wise, prepared to use force at times, but also understand the relationship between means and ends, thinking issues through. more important than that, brooke, is one primary mantra, and that is knowing what you don't know, being in a big hurry to find out. i worked for half a dozen secretaries of state. frankly, all of them, without exception, more or less abided by that fundamental rule. that's really, really important. ideology is great. sound bites are phenomenal. but when you actually have to govern, you're going to have to usually make choices between the bad and the imperfect. certainly, in the area of the world i'm most familiar with. so this foreign policy apparatus will have to grow in sophistication, in size and hopefully represent a wide variety of views. >> what you don't know applies a
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lot to life, but with regard to these five names, elise abbott, you're farmimiliar with some of these names. what sort of experience do they have to be advising trump? >> some of the names, i'd say most of them wouldn't not be considered what you call, as aaron was saying, foreign policy establishment. a lot of the conservative and republican foreign policy establishment had lined behind bush, rubio, now some moving to cruz. so wales fares, a counterterrorism analyst, lebanese-american. but not well known. carter page, runs an energy firm in new york. and then you have a couple of former military men who, again, are not very well known. and i think we'll have to wait and see if donald trump becomes the nominee. i think you will see some
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foreign policy establishment lining behind trump to try and educate him. because i guess the common wisdom, if you will, is he has not laid out many concrete foreign policy platforms as some of the other candidates has. one of the things i think tonight when he addresses aipac, people will look to see what his foreign policy vision is. you heard hillary clinton today lay out a lot of specifics. i think trying to paint herself as the anti-donald trump. we understand tonight donald trump has hired a speechwriter. he's worked with some jewish groups. we think we might see some more policy specifics. specifically on israel tonight. >> specifically with regard to foreign policy. people have been calling for names. so five names here. you mentioned clinton. she did speak earlier today. let's listen ton a little bit of the former secretary of state.
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>> yes, we need steady hands, not a president who says he's neutral on monday, pro-israel on tuesday and who knows what on wednesday. because everything's negotiable. well, my friends, israel's security is non-negotiable. if you see bigotry, oppose it. if you see violence, condemn it. if you see a bully, stand up to him. >> so on that, aaron, let me return to you, she never name-checked donald trump but i think we can all put two and two together on who she was referring to. i just want your reaction to secretary clinton speaking at aipac and also why, you know, it's much anticipated trump will receive a much cooler response with the number of people scheduled to walk out.
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>> just for the record, i'm not associated with any campaign. >> that's why you're the perfect person to talk to. >> right. i listen very carefully. i was just at aipac making a presentation on the palestinian/israeli issue. i listened carefully to what clinton had to say. the fact is, you know, she's a clinton. and she has a rare sensibility, even with her support in laying the groundwork for the irani nuclear agreement, something that most of the pro-israeli community here opposes. shep was actually quite good and extremely effective. she has a rare sensibility and rare capacity, like her husband, to understand the israeli narrative and the israeli story. i covered the funeral in the year 2000 and she had an extraordinary ability to relate to a wide variety of israelis. i think frankly she did an
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extremely good job. the only guy would may get a more warmer reception would be ted cruz because his positions have been consistently pro-israel with no nuance. he'll talk about moving the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem for example. he said he would do that in the first day in office. mr. trump interestingly enough back in december to the dismay of the coalition who he addressed dodged the question. he subsequently come out and said that about the embassy. i think trump's reception is going to be a tough one. it won't be so much on the israel-related issues. i think he'll go through all the obligatory nods. he did a campaign commercial for benjamin netanyahu in 2013. he's got two jewish grandchildren now. i think by and large, that isn't going to be the real concern. the real concern i think among the rs and the ds who sit in that 18,000-aipac community are
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going to wonder whether, given some of the positions trump has advanced on women, on immigration, on muslims, whether or not they think he has the stature and the character to get into that small boat that lee atwater famously said contained only a small group of people who have the stature and character to be president. i think that's what the aipac community is going to be looking for and to the extent he stays away from those issues, he reads from a prepared text, he actually advances policy positions that are coherent, he has an opportunity i think perhaps to make a dent. >> stature and character. when you speak. that is mr. trump, that type of lead at 5:00 eastern at aipac. let me pivot and bring in maeve and the fact we also know trump went to capitol hill today and met with a number of rank and file republicans, trump supporters, including senator sessions who we know will chair this council.
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to you first, phil what do we know about the meeting, who we met with, and one important point no members of the leadership. >> i think it's important to note rank and file. you weren't seeing mitch mcconnell. weren't seeing paul ryan. the elder statesmen of the capitol hill crowd. rank and file members, members who were kind of approaching it in two separate ways. one, they wanted to hear what he said. two, they're either already behind him. he dnt have a long list of congressional endorsements. but he does have a handful, particularly in the house, of republicans who are willing to go with him, that are following him that are willing to work with him in november. perhaps to help their electoral chances here. i think a lot of people are just trying to feel this out. one of the most interesting developments was former members that were coming in. a former member of house leadership showed up there today. people that are curious, want to see what it's all about, and i think a lot of it is they want to talk to him behind closed doors and see -- >> what he's really about.
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>> ben carson came out and said when i talked to him behind closed doors, he's a different guy than what you see on this stage. what you're seeing from a lot of members is they want to see if what ben carson saw is what they'll see too behind closed doors. >> in addition to that, we also have reporting from dana bash that this anti-trump, you know, superpac is sending -- i think the word is a tracker. i don't know if you want to say a spy, someone with a camera who wants to track down trump and members of congress he's meeting with to grab some video and spin it however which way they want to. will that really hurt donald trump in the end do you think though? >> i mean, potentially. what i'm hearing, too, from the anti-trump forces is that they are still rolling on this effort to stop him, raising money, you know, they will have the resources to send out trackers wherever he is, potentially do more ads. i think what's fascinating about today is it underscores the myriad hurdles trump is facing
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in his campaign. normally this would be a time when the whole process slows down. instead, he's not only having to worry about the delegate hunt here, winning these contests and the delegate chase to make sure he could potentially win at the convention but he's having to establish his foreign policy credentials. this is an area he hasn't spent a lot of time focusing on. he's already dealing with a frontal attack from hillary clinton as we saw at aipac earlier today. so it's sort of this fascinating -- i'm sorry, even forgot about, you know, walking around, trying to convince the republican establishment he would be comfortable in that role of commander in chief, trying to get allies on the hill. sort of a mind-boggling number of things he's juggling now. we looked at him steam roll through all these primary contests. there's a lot of things he's having to handle on the sides as he tries to advance this presidential campaign. >> all these sort of trip wires that different people try to put in his way and he just keeps
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stepping on over. i have so much more. one more quick break. more looking ahead to his aipac speech and of course the big night here on cnn tonight. all five candidates speaking with us in washington. quick break. we're back after this.
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all right, let's talk a little bit more about mr. trump in washington, making news. several candidates will be speaking at aipac today in washington. so more on that. some specific hits from hillary clinton toward mr. trump. how might he respond this eveni evening? tonight's the big night. a big cnn forum this evening. so please watch for that. let me bring in a trump supporter, radio and tv host. clay aiken is here a former democratic congressional candidate from north carolina. and carrie sheffield with us, a contributor at forbes magazine,
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founder of and we should mention not a fan of mr. trump's. so that said, carrie, let me begin with you. we were talking a moment ago. now that a lot of people have been calling for donald trump sort of specifics on foreign policy which we should be hearing later today at aipac, but also naming names on whose advising him. he now has released these five names. the committee is apparently chaired by senator sessions. then throw the kasich tweet on the screen please. john kasich, governor of ohio, has basically responded with this. this is what it looks like when you build your national security team out of actual experts is his tweet. and i have page one, page two. these are all names from governor kasich. four pages of names. what do you think of this? >> basically when you can put your entire foreign policy on a postage stamp, says a lot about who you are as a candidate.
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when you're a candidate who say you look at the sunday talk shows to guide your foreign policy. this is a man who has never grappled with serious issues. only grappled with how to make himself rich, how to make his immediate family members rich. it's not a man who has devoted his life to public service. that's why people like myself, part of #nevertrump. we know he's a phony and we will never support him. we don't trust him. he is a man who wants power for the sake of its own sake. i will never trust him. this is just another example. >> i want you to respond to that. >> they say in politics if you want to trust somebody, get a dog. i agree with that. i don't trust anybody at that echelon of politics. what i understand about trump, i've actually not endorsed him, but my background is in psychology and what is fascinating about him as a personality is how much he wants to succeed. how much he's in his element when it is about the art of the deal. and how much i believe him when he says he wants to be the
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greatest american president ever. this sis a perfect example. whole situation with aipac. he wants to do the whole deal with israel and like wouldn't say what his plays would be but for the next football season. donald trump i believe is going to focus a lot more on what he's going to do then how he's going to do it because he's a deductive thinker. he starts with a goal and he builds down. that's different from your traditional politician. i don't think mr. trump would deny that. >> gina, let me just stay with you, because, listen that may be the case and he may outline all kinds of specifics this evening. my question, though, is this. on capitol hill today when he's meeting with these rank and file republicans, not a single member of republican leadership gave him the time of day. i'm just wondering how -- why you think that is. >> to most conservatives out there, this is a huge badge of honor for mr. trump. because most conservatives don't like the gop establishment to begin with. this is the reason they're
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behind candidates like ted cruz and mr. trump and here's the fascinate thing. any other candidate, any other candidate goes to washington, d.c. and they look like part of the establishment. mr. trump goes to washington, d.c., he looks like the presumptive winner. he looks like he's closing the deal here. which is exactly his intention, he looks presidential. >> clay, respond to that. you know donald trump. >> when i ran for congress, i ran as an outsider and, you know, a lot of people in this country do want outsiders but it's one thing to go as an outsider with a plan and it's a completely different thing to go as an outsider with no plan. and donald trump's foreign policy is essentially speak incoherently and carry a big stick, i mean, it's not a -- >> this is big news, that he has a teleprompter. >> i think it will be telling as to whether or not, a, he sticks with it, because it's not something he's comfortable with, and, really, i think that's what i'm most fascinated by. you look at who's going to be president and i've sat here and
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thought to myself, wait who can we see giving a state of the union address. and donald trump has not been the person who has -- who has made anyone feel secure that he actually had a plan and had a vision. tonight, the stuff that's going to be on his teleprompter i think will probably come from these five people. whether he can stick to it, whether his supporters appreciate it, and whether they actually continue to appreciate him when he's not speaking in these generalizations, he's not speaking in these platitudes, will be having interesting to watch. will be a very different donald trump. >> why there wasn't members of the republican establishment or leadership there is because donald trump has probably given high fives to democrats. a man who has donated tens of thousands of -- >> -- republicans -- >> i was just saying in theory it was actually democrats who donald trump has supported for deca decades. this is a man who flip-flops. who is inconsistent. it depens on what side of the bed he woke up on --
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>> that's not working with his supporters, that argument that -- the argument that the republicans -- >> -- getting the crossover vote -- >> the republican, the group of voters voting for donald trump are not responding to the fact he donated to democrats. they're not responding to the fact that the republican -- >> these are passionate people who are all in on donald trump. >> they appreciate him. what they like about him, he is not bowing down to the never trump movement. >> and he's not bowing down to the establishment too. >> hold on, i want to hear from you, gina, go ahead. >> yes, i think what his supporters like about him is, number one, he getting crossover voters, he's attracting more democrats than any republican candidate has in a long time. he is building that big tent. he's getting nontraditional voters as well, minorities and others. i don't know why people want to paint this picture that his support is somehow narrow. his support is broader than any of the other traditional
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republican candidates. let's not forget this, too, i agree with both of your other guests who said it is his appeal, that he is pushing back against the establishment. that's what people like about him. he wins every time he does that. he's not going to stop that. for those who are supporting him, that is the number one issue. pushing back against both the republican and democratic establishment that a lot of people are sick of. >> what's clear is he has been a divisive figure this entire time. the last debate, he said let's be unified. he he had an entire year to be a unifying figure and he wasn't. that's why people are boycotting and protesting, because he's an incredibly divisive, angry figure. why people like myself would never support him -- >> keep it up, it's not going to work and then he's going to be the nominee and then the democrats are going to win -- >> is he more divisive than hillary? >> absolutely. >> carrie sheffield, clay aiken, gina, thank you so much. meantime, just reminding all of you, tonight, big night for us
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now to the latest developments here in the investigation into the paris terror attacks. a manhunt is under way for a newly identified suspect still
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on the run. belgian and french authorities are asking for help finding this man. rajim learnwari. saying he travelled with captured terrorist salah abdeslam. and then there's this. [ gunfire ] this is newly released video, it shows the raid friday where abdeslam was captured, injured but caught alive, as we talked about for hours friday. the paris prosecutor says abdeslam had a key role in planning the november 13th attacks in paris. nine terrorists killed. 130 people. hundreds more were injured with guns and bombs, paris cafes, a stadium, a concert hall. let's bring in paul cruickshank. you have new information on how they got him. >> remember, he was at that safe house on tuesday in the brussels
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district of forest. the police went to that address. they weren't expecting to find anybody there. they got into a firefight. and abdeslam and an accomplice escaped. they escaped into the brussels afternoon. well, at that point, they made a crucial mistake. they got in touch with somebody who was under surveillance by belgian security forces. as one belgian official told me, he came right into our net. so they then knew exactly where to go and find him after he got in contact with this person who was under surveillance. then he were able to move in with a lot of intelligence on friday. and arrest him and his accompany police alive. >> and he was still plotting, he had fresh attacks he wanted to see through. >> that is the worry belgian officials have, they were plotting new attacks. senior belgian counterterrorism official just told me at that safe house, the long-term hiding place in the forest district of brussels, they found not
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kalashnikov, not only ammunition but a detonating explosive you could use in bombs and that of course has created a lot of concern they might have been plotting some kind of attack, perhaps in brussels, perhaps somewhere else, in the days ahead. so it may be that they just got there in the nick of time. >> paul cruickshank has phenomenal material. please go to tim lister does as well, on all of this. thank you so much. next here, hillary clinton, reportedly taking a page from the republicans on what not to do to defeat donald trump. we'll look at her playbook from the general election. more awkward moments during the news conference between obama and castro just this past hour. we'll talk to one lawmaker who is in havana along with the president. stay with me. ♪
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listen, no one can say definitively who the nominees for president will be, but perhaps, perhaps, it could be a showdown between donald trump and hillary clinton, and it seems secretary clinton's camp is ready to go for the jugular. "the washington post" reporting today they are focused on figuring out ways to immediately batter the billionaire's business record without getting petty, but they don't want to repeat what many are calling the republican party's biggest mistake, waiting too long to try to take trump down. joining me now, david brock, founder of the pro clinton research team correct the record. david, good to have you on. >> thanks for having me. >> why do you think hillary clinton will be more effective than all these other republicans who have come before her in trying to take trump down? >> well, i think we can learn from the republican mistakes. first of all, i think the republicans were afraid to take on donald trump because they were afraid of alienating his
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supporters. that's not a constraint democrats are going to have. two, they were very late to the game in realizing that he is a f formidable challenger. we can learn from their poor time. and three, they just didn't do their duty to vet their own rival and we're going to do that. i think it begins with what's right -- playing out right before our eyes, the incitement to violence in this campaign. the republicans have been very weak to call that out. to start this out, democrats have to say he's proving by the way he's running his campaign, the incitement of violence, having a campaign manager that's roughed up a protester, that donald trump is unfit to hold the record of presidency. >> i would push back on the timeline. rick perry, jeb bush, lindsey graham, they did take him on early on, but, you know, none of them are left standing.
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>> well, i think there's a couple of things about that. sure, they did, but in my view it wasn't a strategic or sustained effort. it was a lot of name calling and a lot of petty insults. they were also held back by the fact they really couldn't call out donald trump on the big question of the bigotry, the misogynist statements, the sexist statements, the racism. where was the republican leadership during all of that as that played out? and the reality is, you know, to some extent those comments were helping donald trump in the context of a republican primary. when we pivot to a general election and have a much broader, more diverse electorate, those things are not going to be a positive for trump. >> i'm wondering, you know, the campaign staffers who are digging into trump's business record and policies for hillary clinton's arsenal against him, specifically what are they finding? >> well, i think you're looking at three areas. he has a big record in business. he has a record in entertainment, he has a record to some extent in political
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activism, even though he's never held public office and has never taken votes. and so on the business front, i could mention a couple things. you know, donald trump seems to be somebody who wants to just tell people what he thinks they want to hear. so what we're going to do is look at his actions. how did he treat people who admired him and did things like pay to go to trump university. well, he fleeced them. what did he do in terms of treating workers? well, he offshored the production of his own products. he hired undocumented workers rather than native born americans. so we're going to look at donald trump's actions. at the end of the day i think what you're going to see is that donald trump has always been in it for one person and that's donald trump. >> bits and pieces of what we could see if it is to be a donald trump/hillary clinton matchup. david brock, thank you so much. >> thanks very much. >> coming up next, we'll take you back to cuba. a little bit more on some of those kind of awkward moments between president obama and raul
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castro there in havana. much more, and we'll look forward to the big baseball game tomorrow in havana. we'll speak to a member of congress, next.
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college basketball sweet 16 now set after a weekend full of upsets and buzzer beaters. texas a&m pulled off the biggest last-minute comeback in ncaa division i history. down by 12 points against northern iowa with just 44 seconds left. they battled all the way back to send the game into double overtime. in the end, the aggies came out on top 92-88. they take on oklahoma thursday. the game between number 7 wisconsin and second seed xavier went down to the wire. watch that. yeah, yeah. bronson koenig hitting a deep three-pointer to tie the game and then he scores another three
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as the buzzer sounds. xavier fans obviously heartbroken, including, you know this guy, bill murray. his son is an assistant coach for the musketeers. wisconsin takes on notre dame friday. and finally, my team, my alma mater, the best baby blue, top seed north carolina beat the nine seed providence in a blowout but the real battle came at halftime with an epic dance-off between the school bands. they face indiana in the sweet 16 on friday. before i let you go and let my man john berman take over, let me bring in congressman steve cohen from tennessee. he is live in havana, nearly one of 40 members of congress part of this presidential delegation. congressman cohen, can you hear me? nice to see you. >> you've got congressman mcgovern here. >> no, you are not congressman steve cohen. we're going to take a break. we'll be right back. ♪
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