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>> until we can implement a security protocol. >> we'll continue this conversation. i'm sure it's going to generate commotion out there. that's it for me. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room. in the meantime, the news continues right now right here on cnn. here we go. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with mees. you are watching cnn's live coverage for the frantic manhunt for the bombing suspect and a terror cell truly at large here. right now here is what we know in belgium and really the international community mourning the victims of the deadliest terrorist attack in belgium's history. the country also on its highest alert as police are hunting for, quote, unquote, a number of suspects who still may be in the country by the way. we know that belgian authorities are now searching for this man. they have not identified him. this was the man in the surveillance video on the far
right hand. the lighter jacket. i don't know if he was trying to disguise himself or not but wearing the hat and the glasses. today the federal prosecutor said this suspect dropped a bag filled with explosives. it was the heaviest bomb of the three at the airport. so apparently he dropped the bomb, and then he ran. the two men on the left side of your screen in the black, those were the suicide bombers. so they blew themselves up as they were detonating those bombs. one blast there at the airport coming just 37 seconds after the other. now, the man on the left has not been identified, but we now know the identification of the person in the middle of your screen. he is the brother of the suicide bomber in the subway attack that happened just 60 minutes later. also today, we learned police found the will of that airport suicide bomber, one of those brothers. it was discovered on a laptop, chucked in a trash can during a search in brussels.
in that will, apparently this bomber wrote, quote, he no longer feels safe, needs to rush. and if he takes too much time, he would end up, quote, next to him in prison. the who, the him he is referring to, belgian investigators believe it to be salah abdeslam, that eighth paris attacker, the man captured friday in brussels and the seoul survivor of the core group of militants behind the isis-directed terror attacks last november. also moments ago, president obama said that now even more than ever the world is united in its fight against isis. >> this is my number one priority. i've got a lot of things on my plate, but my top priority is to defeat isil and to eliminate the scourge of this barbaric terrorism that's been taking place around the world.
>> let's take you now to brussels, to my colleague erin burnett, who is standing by. what more are you learning at this hour? >> you know right now we are standing at the plaza de la bourse, an impromptu memorial that has become much more than that and grown during the day. i'm with michael holmes and nick paton walsh. you have been here throughout the day. before we talk about the investigation, the man hunt which is going on in this city right now, this is something you have seen grow and grow as people come in solid erred art today. >> it's been a mixture of defiance and i've got to say, levity at times. at midday they had the moment of sigh. it went from 250 people to nearly 2,000 people in probably 20 minutes. everyone came down. they had the moment of silence. at the end, sustained applause that went on for probably two miss. it was incredibly moving. are you but from a security
standpoint if you were looking for a together right here is a target. that speaks to defiance, people getting out here and saying you are not going to defeat us. >> and right now, an on going man hunt. at least two. the man in the airport is missing. the suspected bomb maker for the bombs made in this attack and also in the paris attacks just a few months ago. and the city seems to be business as normal. there were all these reports oh, it's going to be shut down, there is a manhunt going on. what is the latest on this? we don't see it on the streets. >> the man in the airport who blew himself up was in fact deported from turkey in june, 2015. they say, in fact, they passed information about him to the belgian authorities. now, they have often long been grumblings from turkish intelligence officials that they intercept people traveling into
syria to join isis. they pass it on and then nothing happens. b but, too, in 2013, we saw people clearly going to syria for some perhaps religious or idea logical reason pouring across. and that wasn't stopped. there is a lengthy debate of what turkey can do. >> people around the world look at this and say how could this happen again? again, you have people who have police records who are involved in this. who are in the communities known for having isis fighters. i talked to the brother of salah abdeslam, salah at the heart of his, his arrest on friday perhaps srking what made these attacks happen so quickly. they hold them for a few hours a day. they have to release them. then they can't have surveillance on them. >> the interesting thing about these two brothers, we've seen them are other jihadis as well.
they were criminals. they were crooks. they were armed robbers. yet they end up doing this, being suicide bombers. yet again we see that transition from criminal to suicide bomber. i was talking to an imam today and he was saying how many of these guys even though they are islamic jihadist they don't know religion very well, a lot of these guys don't know their islam. >> we saw that with the salah abdeslam brothers. they were anything but gee had haddists right here in the city. so many people, even in the molenbeek neighborhood they say all of them know people who have gone to syria, trained with isis and come boem. no one tells. >> they have to work with with the authorities trying to root out those who will do harm in their midst. some do make suggestions of association to terrorism for one
of those brothers. i think that will increase the focus on exactly what authorities knew, what they didn't share, what could chef talked about earlier. >> there is a race against time at this moment. you have a man who dropped the biggest bomb at the brussels airport on the run right now. and they believe he is in brussels. >> one problem i have with the muslim community is law enforcement in this country, to use a business term, silo. there are varying levels of police and security apparatus here that don't talk to each other. let alone countries talking to each other. there are departments of the security forces here that doesn't interact well. >> i was driving from paris to brussels. there isn't a border. >> they say welcome to belgium as you speed by. >> your mobile phone provider changes networks. and for people who think there will be a change in posture,
it's just an open road. it was a dream everybody had in the eu. staggering at this level of security, level four, that that drive is wide open. >> and you don't see much security around here. >> also when i was in boston for the boston bombings. they shut down that city because they were looking for someone. they shut the city down, in the united states of america. they have not shut this season city down. yet they are looking for a bomb maker and somebody who tried to drop a bomb off yesterday. in a sense that is very shocking. >> it's chaos. there wasn't a sense of lockdown. there wasn't that sense of we are bracing ourselves because these people are still out there. it was lacks. where i was, you didn't feel that sense of lockdown. >> they have put 1600 more officers on the street in paris as a result of what happened here as well because you know, paris and brussels -- paris and belgium, they are one and the same when it comes to the connectioning between these
guys. >> absolutely. the paris attacks planned here linked to the same cell that pulled this attack off the other day. brooke, they are worried whether there are going to be more attacks. perhaps salah abdeslam was going to talk in prison and that led them to go ahead with this attack. could there be more? that is the big fear here. but the city certainly far from shut down right now. >> that's what we're hearing from intel officials because of the salah abdeslam arrest it accelerated the plot that was already in the works. and they answer follow on afox. thank you to all three of you. let's discuss this with julia kai yes, ma'am, detective berry, and cnn law enforcement analyst art rodrick. julia, to you first, i think on this notion that we're hearing from the taxi cab driver that apparently took these three to the airport, wouldn't let the driver touch the suit cases
obviously containing the bombs. couldn't bring all of them, custom makes me wonder, were they expecting someone else to come along and that someone is now sitting in a jail cell? we don't know. to erin's point about follow up attacks how worried are you about that? >>ic we should answticipate the for a variety of reasons. the first is the salah abdeslam arrest, which has clearly started these guys being nervous about being caught and that he was disclosing information. for all we know, he hasn't said a word. but the notion or the fear that the terrorist organization has that he was speaking and disclosing who his network was made them go out on monday. and that will continue until they are able to disrupt whoever knew about what. the taxicab issue in particular suggests to me instead that they were so -- they needed to do this so fast -- remember, they are suicide bombers. they are willing to die. they just don't want to get disrupted. they didn't have a chance to do a trial run. they didn't realize not all the stuff to would fit in the
taxicab. so they leave some stuff behind. >> what about the third man. he left the biggest bomb of all. >> i think he got scared. i think that -- there is no reason why you would send two to commit suicide and one to run off who knows too much. this happened to abdeslam. it happened with him. >> kevin, you are really asking what have they found in the raids? what do we know about the bomb blasts, the signatures, to put the two together. a lot of talk about tatp, this chemical and you can do a better job explaining what it is than i can. we talked about it in the wake of the paris attacks. what is it, and why will it be significant if it was tatp used at the airport. >> aerks apt, it's referred to as mme, a homemade explosive. the military dealt with it back in the '50s. it's very unstable. so unstable that they didn't want to taxicab driver to touch it. it's made more than likely in
the bathtub of the arpt apartment and they mix the chemicals together. then they have to dry. and the drying process, if they are disturbed they can self initiate and explode. any type of shock friction static discharge can cause this to explode because it is a primary explosive. it's not a secondary explosive like commercially manufactured dynamite or a plastic explosive or penta light booster or cast explosives. it is a primary. primaries are normally used only in detonators because they are so sensitive. >> sophistication level? >> basic. the availability of information about tatp and hmtd, which are the two main favorites terrorist groups are on the internet, in isis manuals, in inspire magazine. it's available everywhere. children can go to local libraries in the united states and get the information and make
it at home. >> see then knowing that on the bombs and we know they haven't definitively said it was tatp at the subway or at the airport but that could be the next develop that we hear. my other question is, this theme of brothers. we talk about tatp, that was used on boilson street, correct, in the boston marathon bombing, the tar nov brothers there, brothers involved in the paris attacks. brothers involved here in brussels. maybe there is nothing to it, but i'm wondering why. >> i do think there is something to it. brooke, the last 11 years of my federal law enforcement career i spent the majority of my time involved in international law enforcement capacity building. what we see here, and i think the two previous speakers with erin had mentioned it, that we've got criminals being radicalized. and i think when that occurs,
they don't know the islamic religion and they become very easily radicalized, especially in these particular enclaves in these neighborhoods. >> it's ignorance. >> i think the problem we have here is that go back to "charlie hebdo." we're talking about the ib same neighborhoods in brussels that we heard during "charlie hebdo," that we heard during the paris attacks now that we're hearing during the belgium attacks. what have the police been doing in a proactive capability to do something since the "charlie hebdo" attacks of january of last year? and it seems at this point they really haven't made any headway whatsoever in communicating with these communities at all. >> he's absolutely right juliet. even the weapons used in the kosher market attack after charlie help doe. the weapons came from the same neighborhoods in brussels. when you look at the numbers -- i had ali sufan on yesterday. when you look at the number of people who left belgium to go to
syria to be radicalized -- it's a tough number the wrap your head around. is it really all belgium? are there other countries as well? >> belgium has the biggest problem. we need to separate out belgium for a variety of reasons. >> we do? >> one is the experience of immigrant groups in belgium is clearly at least from the way that we need to perceive what they are doing is not as assimilating as in other countries. in terms of the british and french belgium is having a hard time in terms of assimilating the other, these new groups. the other issue that has come up is that for a period of time, the belgium officials were more than happy to have these guys leave because they are all criminals and go somewhere else. well that somewhere else was syria. and you know, what are you thinking they are planning there? they are not there on vacation. then they come back a year later and that's why we're seeing a lot of this activity now. belgium is a focus. it's not like every other country.
europe has other problems. >> we talk about neighborhoods outside of paris as well. >> it is true. there is a radicalization going on. this is why people like me in counter terrorism and others push back on the notion that the american muslim community is similar. it's not. it is an assimilated community that does not have the radicalization problem that exists in europe. >> we have still seen isis inspired attacks including what we saw in san bernardino a couple of months ago. but a lot of people saying this is not at all the same. let me ask all of you to stand by. just ahead, a young american woman, her boyfriend right now missing. she hasn't heard from him since the morning of the attack. she will join me live from georgia on her emotional search. also ahead, moments from now, hillary clinton giving a speech on terror. we are told she will call out donald trump within that speech. stand by for. that i'm brooke baldwin. you are watching cnn's special live coverage.
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the highway, we stand with brussels was the sign. all this as there is a desperate manhunt going on for at least two people. fear of additional attacks as they are on the run from police. and painstaking investigations going on trying to get every piece of information. crews are digging through new evidence they have been finding in raids today across the city. specifically an apartment in northeast brussels. it's near where police discovered bomb making materials, tatp, chemicals, nails, screws, an isis flag. we have video in. they are wearing haz-mat suits as they are going into this locations. this is from a different raid. to difficult you an idea of how many raids are going on. brussels a city in mourning just a day after the attacks at its highest threat level. now the united states, this just in, the state department cautioning americans about travel not just he here in
brussels but tao to and throughout europe. i wanting to to chris burns over tattle molenbeek metro station, the images terrible to see with the mangled metal of the subway car. what is happening there today as they are searching for every bit of information they can find about the materials of these bombers? >> yes, erin, a very erie situation there. a main boulevard shut off as tents are there and forensics experts are there. posted right outside of the subway station as they go inside to get more evidence. we walked around the and we saw a very erie situation, some of the blood spattered entrances, broken glass, and flowers and candled there by people leaving tearfully from the scene. a horrible sight, really, and very frightening to see.
this investigation goes on. they continue to pick through that -- what is remains of those blasts to try to find more clues. there was one more arrest today, in addition to the two arrests yesterday. one of those persons that was arrested yesterday was freed. so two remain in custody. but they are still looking for more. police are not identifying the suspects that they have arrested. they don't want to give that up, give that away because they say it could compromise the investigation. erin? >> all right. chris, thank you very much, reporting from the mall beck metro station, the scene of the second horrific attack. brooke, you know they are very much on the hunt for these people. they have already taken some in for questioning and had to release them. that's the way things are here, if you don't have immediate information or reason to charge, you have to release. then if you get more information you have to go find them again and take them back into custody. it can make things incredibly difficult. >> erin, thank you so much.
can't imagine the task at happened though. a lot of frustration on behalf of a lot of counterterrorism folks saying how was it that abdeslam was hiding in plain sight a block from where he grew up. the man hunt is on not only for one of the men picture in the airport just before the bombs went off monday morning. the manhunt is on trying to find out how massive this network, this terror cell could be. all this happening -- new information coming our way from belgium and beyond. you are watching cnn's special live coverage. back after this.
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we are all over this story here, a manhunt is deep underway in belgium and potentially beyond in the wake of those fatal terrorist attacks. let's call them what they were, terrorist attacks in both brussels airport -- those two bombs that went off, and the bomb that wet went off in the metro station not far from the eu. that stayed, we are also watching and waiting for the democratic front-runner in this presidential race, hillary clinton, to speak, speaking specifically about counter-terrorism and her own strategies at stanford university. we are watching and waiting for her. briana keiler is there at stanford. give us an idea of what we are about to hear. >> it is a moment like this, brooke, that provides a candidate a bit of a test to show americans what kind of commander in chief they would be. this is a speech here at stanford university that we are expecting hillary clinton to deliver shortly and really try
to demonstrate that. we're getting information about what we expect her to say. in part, she is expected to talk about how these attacks in brussels are a reminder that these terrorists the u.s. is up against are an adversary that knows no borders and that we're constantly adapting. and we're expecting her to sake sharp aim at ted cruz and specifically donald trump. we heard a preview, a little bit last night in stooettle seattle when hillary clinton talked about this border wall she is proposing. she painted it as overly simplist simplistic, something that isn't going to keep up with the internet, isn't going to keep up with the times. and she's expected to take aim at donald trump's recent comments with nato. she is expected to say this is a time to realign european aye alliances not to pull away from that. these are nations that stood by
the u.s. in difficult times. we need to do that as well. we do think she will call on european allies to step up their game when it comes to coordinating and information sharing. we have also learned she is also going to take aim at donald trump over what he has proposed, about keeping water boarding in the repertoire for the president when it comes to enhanced interrogation techniques that are no longer allowed. she is expected to say it's important to rely on what works not on rhetorical blue jacketser that, as she is expected to put it, runs counter to american values. >> briana keiler with the rundown of what we expect to hear from the democratic front-runner in the presidential race. as soon as we see hillary clinton we'll take it live. before we do, juliet kai yes, ma'am is with me and i have kevin berry rodrick. before we get to the u.s. and
the fight on terrorism, briana's point on how hillary clinton will probably talk about obviously looking to your european allies and saying you need to step up, step up how? >> you were needs to. the simplicity on the other side -- i think it's safe to say it, a wall -- >> isn't enough. >> the sophistication of how hard it is to fight isis, let alone get the europeans unified and let alone deal with russia and the zika virus. the sophistication of all that's required is overcoming the simplistic answers. this is where i think president obama, who spoke a little bit about it today really, you know, for miss legacy, needs to very much describe and understand the
concern that people are having. i have been in counterterrorism for over 15, 17 years. if you asked me, would you send your kids to europe for spring break, i'd think about it. and i ten to be mellow about this stuff. >> there was state department warning. custom is kind of rare. >> yeah, so if i'm sort of feeling it and i've become somewhat immune to this over time. you have to think that the average american is -- knows that terrorism against them is unlikely. but also doesn't quite know how to get it. in some ways also more from the white house would help hillary in that regard. >> detective to you. you are listening to all of this, you know, politics or not politics, i mean, you are around during 9/11. >> yes. >> with this new iteration or the evolution of terrorism and now talking about isis, although you say sort of these bomb techniques what -- what's old is new again. what do you think about all of this, and the biggest challenge for fighting terrorism right here?
>> in the united states? they talked about information >> it took until august 11th of 2004 for the attorney general to issue a memo to federal agencies to share information. that should have happened within 12 hours of the 9/11 attacks not almost a full three years later. information sharing is better, but we're still not at our best yet in the u.s. >> so let me just take it a step farther when we are talking about cooperation, information sharing among different european borders, specifically with the most recent attacks in belgium and in france. easy to criticize, but something we had to learn as well. >> we did. that's the reason that nypd has people stationed throughout locations in the world now. and a lot of people don't realize that. why? because they are going to get their information firsthand and bring it back to new york city because new york has become the capital of the world as far as
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welcome back to cnn special live coverage of the brussels attacks. i'm erin burnett here in brussels along with brooke baldwin. right now, really a frantic manhunt underway as they are searching for at least two, certainly more members of this ring, but at least two people, one of whom they say dropped a bomb off at the airport yesterday and then fled. another of whom was perhaps the bomb maker. both for the bombs here at the airport in brussels and also use in the the paris attacks. they are hunting across this city. raids have been going on throughout the day. they have already found 15 kilograms of tapt, an explosive. they found chemicals, nails used in nail bombs. all of that found today. so far, those men still at large. and they have the fear of additional attacks. derek live has lived here a quarter century. you know the city incredibly well. i want to talk about the
neighborhood where they have been hunting. i've been to molenbeek, and right at the house where the abdeslam brothers lived. one of whom was taken into custody the other day and was right along with a couple of these men in a house. why is that neighborhood still hiding people? it is not big. it is -- everyone in that neighborhood knows everybody else. it is very idyllic when you walk into it and you don't know what happens there. how is it possible that people could still be hiding there? >> that's a very good question. i'm not sure anyone has got the answer to that yet. there seem to be various theories, one that there is a certain sort of solidarity in the neighborhood among young people that they will help these terrorists hide. there is a kind of cat and mouse game going on with the police. some of these people are hardened criminals, and so they've got techniques of hiding, of evading and so on. they've been on the wrong side of the law for a long time.
but as you say, the neighborhood as a whole is not a terrifying area to walk through. it is not a no-go area. it has modern housing, new housing, new schools. so it's kind of, i would say, a small number of people who are hardened, hardens criminals, tough, tough guys who at the heart of this. and they've got a network. they've got support. >> when we look at the locations of where the raids were, where salah abdeslam was eventually found, and compared to where salah abdeslam and his brother, one of whom died in the paris attacks lived, five or six minutes walk one way or the other way. i mean the proximity here is incredible. >> yeah, yeah. that's amazing. i am not sure there are answers yet to the question of how the police managed to miss these people with quite large caches of arms and explosives, as you were saying. it's baffling.
it's baffling at this moment. i don't think it's possible to provide an answer. but it does raise questions, i think. >> when people washington watching around the world, they have a lot of questions. when i came to belgium during the paris attacks and walked through molenbeek to your point i didn't feel unsafe in any way. but you used the specific word, no-go zones. that's a loaded word but you said it was not a no-go zone. people are willing to go. is there any place like that in brussels, where people would be afraid to go, or even though the communities are specific and integrated they are side by side, and people are afraid to go between them. >> i would say not. i've been in all 19 districts, all 19 communes of this city. there is no area that's particularly unsafe. of course things happen. but they can happen in the rich suburbs as much as the inner city. no-go areas, that concept i don't think applies here. >> i mentioned boston because i
was there during those bombings. that city was shut down do you remember that manhunt. this city is not shut down. yet someone who they know knows how to make bombs and someone who successfully placed a bomb in the brussels airport in the city right now and people are out and about. is that surprising? >> i was very surprised. i have been here all day. as you say, there are potentially terrorists in that neighborhood. as you can see, there is almost no police presence, no military presence. there is a certain kind of -- what surprised me, a party atmosphere coming out. >> all right. derek. thank you very much. i appreciate it. and now a major counterterror speech talking about the brussels attacks from hillary clinton. let's listen in live. >> it's understandable that americans here at home are worried. the threat we face from terrorism is real. it's urgent. and it knows no boundaries.
even as brussels grieves, the memories of paris and san bernardino are painfully fresh as well. on saturday, a bombing in istanbul killed four people, including two u.s. israeli dual citizens. many other places have been targeted by terrorists in the past year alone. hotels in west africa, beaches in tunisia, a market in lebanon, a russian passenger jet in the sinai. isis is attempting a genocide of religious and ethnic minorities. it beheads civilians. it enslaves, tortures and rapes women and girls. walls will not protect us from this threat. we cannot contain isis. we must defeat isis. this will be one of the most important challenges facing the next president who takes office on january 20th.
our new commander in chief will walk into the oval office and find a world of hard choices and complex problems. that president will sit down at the desk and start making decisions that will affect the lives and livelihoods of every american and people around the world. so the stakes could not be higher. today, i want to emphasize three points. first, we face an adversary that is constantly adapting and operating across multiple theaters. so our response must be just as nimble and far-reaching. second, to defeat this transnational threat, we need to reinforce the alliances that have been core pillars of american power for decades. and third, we need to rely on what actually works, not blue
jacketser that alienates our partners and doesn't make us any safer. let's begin by being clear of what we are facing. isis controls a shrinking but still sizable territory in iraq and syria. it leads a far flung network that includes affiliates across the middle east and north africa, and cells in europe, asia, and even here in north america. it's also part of a broader ideological movement that includes other terrorist groups. we need to do battle on all these fronts. last year, in speeches in new york and minneapolis, i laid out a three-part plan to defeat isis in the middle east, around the world, and here at home. recent events have only reinforced the urgency of this mission. first, we do have to take out
isis's stronghold in iraq and syria. we should intensify the coalition air campaign against its fighters, leaders, and infrastructure. step up support for local arab and kurdish forces on the ground, and coalition efforts to protect civilians. and pursue a diplomatic strategy aimed at achieving political resolutions to syria's civil war and iraq's sectarian divide. second, we must diss mantle the global network of terror that supplies money, arms, propaganda, and fighters. this means targeted efforts to deal with isis affiliates from libya to afghanistan. it means going after the key enablers who facilitate i will licit financial transactions and help jihadists arrange travel, forge documents, and evade detection. and it means waging on line
battles with extremists to discredit their ideology, expose their lies and counter their appeals to potential recruits in the west and around the world. third, we must harden our defenses and build our resilience here at home. we need to counter each step in the process that can lead to an attack, deterring would be terrorists and discovering and disrupting plots before they are carried out. our enemies are constantly adapting, so we have to do the same. for example, brussels demonstrated clearly we need to take a harder look at security protocols at airports and other sensitive so-called soft sites, especially areas outside guarded perimete perimeters. to do this, we need an intelligence surge ando do our allies. we also have to stay ahead of
the curve technologically. that does mean working with the brightest minds here in silicon valley to more effectively track and analyze isis's social media posts and map jihadist networks on line. when other candidates talk about building walls around america, i want to ask them, yhow high doe the wall have to be to keep the internet out? and we also have to tackle a thorny challenge that is top of mine here in the bay area, navigating the security and civil liberties concerns surrounding the encryption of mobile devices and communications. impenetrable encryption provides significant cyber security advantages, but may also make it harder for law enforce men and counterterrorism profession to investigate plots and prevent future attacks. isis knows this, too.
at the same time, there are legitimate worries about privacy, network security, and creating new vulnerabilities that bad actors including terrorists can exploit. there may be no quick or magic fix. in the apple case, the fbi may have found a work-around. but there will be future cases with different facts and different challenges. so the tech community and the government have to stop seeing each other as adversaries and start working together to broke our safety and our privacy. a national commission on warner and congressman mike mccall are proposing to help. and our security professionals could use the advice and tal entsz of technology professionals to help us figure out how we do stay ahead of the terrorists. our fight against radical jihadist terrorists will be long.
and inside very real risk of future attacks here at home. but pursuing this comprehensive strategy will put us in the best position to defeat isis and keep our families and communities safe. you know, this is a very personal issue for me. having served as a senator from new york on 9/11, having seen the horrors that were produced by a well planned and executed attack on our country, knowing how important it is that we do stay ahead of those who wish to do us great harm, without panic, without paranoia, but with resolve. not to give in to the very behaviors that the terrorists are hoping to engiendergender. we can't let fear stop us from doing what's necessary to keep us safe.
nor can we let it push us into reckless actions that end up making us less safe. for example, it would be a serious mistake to stumble into another costly ground war in the middle east. if we've learned anything from iraq and afghanistan, it's that people and nations have to secure their own communities. we can, and i argue, must support them. but we can't substitute for them. it would also be a serious mistake to begin carpet bombing populated areas into oblivion. proposing that doesn't make you sound tough. it makes you sound like you are in over your head. slogans aren't a strategy. loose cannons tend to misfire. what america needs is strong, smart, steady leadership to wage and win this struggle. to do that, we need to strengthen america's alliances
in europe, asia, and around the world. and that is the second point i want to emphasize. on 9/11, nato treated an attack against one as an attack against all. on september 12th, headlines across europe most notably in limon, proclaimed we are all americans. there were very few planes in the air that day, but one was a british jet carrying the u.k.'s top national security leaders to washington to offer any help they could. now it's our turn to stand with europe. we cherishhe same values and face the same adversaries. so we must share the same determination. this is especially true at a time when europe faces multiple overlapping crises, from president putin's aggression in ukraine to the massive influx of refugees, to continuing economic
challenges, to the rise of right-wing nationalist parties. we have made so much progress together toward the goal of a europe that is free, whole, and at peace, and we can't risk letting it fall apart now. for decades, republican and democratic administrations have understood that america's alliances make us stronger. secretary schultz compared the slow, steady work of building diplomatic relationships to gardening. he knew that when you cultivate effective partners, you can harvest real rewards. allies extend our reach. share intelligence, provide troops in conflicts like afghanistan, offer bases and staging areas around the world for our military, and serve as a bull work against competitors like russia and china. and by the way, both moscow and
beijing know our global network of alliances is a significant strategic advantage they can't match. nato in particular is one of the best investments america has ever made, from the balkans to afghanistan and beyond, nato allies have fought alongside the united states, sharing the burdens and the sacrifices. in the 1990s, second perry helped guide nato's expansion based on the alliance's core tenets of collective defense, democracy, consensus, and cooperative security. they became known as the perry principles, and they are still at the heart what have makes nato the most successful alliance in history. turning our back on our alliances or turning our alliance into a protection racket would reduce decades of bipartisan american leadership and send a dangerous signal to
friend and foe alike. putin already hopes to divide europe. if mr. trump gets his way, it will be like christmas in the kremlin. it will make america less safe and the world more dangerous. when it comes to the struggle against isis, we need our allies as much as ever. we need them to be strong and engaged, for they are increasingly on the front lines. london, paris, madrid, brussels, istanbul -- they have all been hit by terrorism. and as we saw when a terrorist cell in hamburg carried out the 9/11 attacks, what happens in europe has a way of making it to america. so it's essential that we have strong partners who can work with us to disrupt plots and dismantle networks in their own countries before they lead to attacks in ours. america needs european intelligence services working
hand in hand with our own, including where they may have better reach and expertise, like in north africa. we need european banks to stop terrorist financing. we need european planes flying missions over iraq and syria. and european special forces helping train and eequip local antiisis forces on the ground. we need european dip low gnats and development experts working to improve governance and reduce the appeal of extremism across the wide arc of instability that stretches from west africa all the way to asia. together, we can do more and more urgently to support moderate voices and stan with tunisians, libyans, kurds, and others in the region who are trying to do the right thing. and as we should of course be closely consulting with israel, our strongest ally in the middle east, we also have to extend our
consultations to arab partners as well. all of this will make america safer and help defeat isis. there is much we can do to support our european partners, helping them improve intelligence and law enforcement, facilitating information sharing, working more closely at every level. there's also more they can do to share the burden with us. we'd like to see more european countries investing in defense and security, following the example germany and others have set during the obama administration. the most urgent task is stopping the flow of foreign fighters to and from the middle east. thousands of young recruits have flocked to syria from france, germany, belgium, and the united kingdom. their european passports make it easier for them to cross borders and eventually return home radicalized and battle hardened. we need to know the identities of every fighter who makes that
trip and start revoking passports and visas, stemming this tide will require much better coordination among every country along the way. right now, many european nations don't even alert each other when they turn away a suspected jihadist at the border or when a passport is stolen. and turkey, a nato ally, still has more work to do to control the border, where most foreign fighters cross into syria. after the paris attack, france and belgium pledged to remove forward together on reforms. but that's difficult without the european union. in january, the eu announced a new integrated counterterrorism center. but intelligence cooperation still lags, and the eu keeps delaying a vote to share traveler information between member states. it's actually easier for the
united states to get flight manifests from eu nations than it is for eu nations to get them from their own neighbors. thanks to an agreement that the united states negotiated when i was secretary of state. there also has to be a special emphasis on identifying and investing in the hot spots. the specific neighborhoods, prisons, and schools where recruitment happens in clusters, as we've seen in brussels. and it's time to make good on the promise of establishing a new unified european border and coast guard to strengthen the continent's external borders, which are under unprecedented pressure from refugees and migrants. now, this is a heart breaking crisis. last year, the world was horrified by the photo of a drowned to letter lying on a
turkish beach. in the months since then, hundreds more children have died trying to reach safety. we've seen europe and syria's neighbors in the middle east struggle under the weight of this challenge. it's too big for any one country or even continent to handle alone. i'm glad that the e.u. and turkey are now working closely together. and the united states should do whatever we can to support that. the only truly effective answer is to go to the source. end the conflict that is displacing all of these people. so we have to support and maintain the ceasefire in syria. and we should also work with our coalition partners and opposition forces on the ground to create safe areas where syrians can remain in the country rather than fleeing toward europe. in the meantime, it would be wrong to shut our doors to orphans or to apply religious tests for people fleeing persecution. that's not what we are.
but at the same time we have to be victim i will ant in screening and vetting everyone. we can't allow terrorists to intimidating us into abandoning our values. but we have to be smart and victim i will ant how we process people into our country. it would be doubly cruel if isis cannot only force families from their homes but also prevent them from ever finding new ones. and that brings me to my third fight. in our fight against radical jihadism, we have to do what actually works. one thing we know that does not work is offensive, inflammatory rhetoric that demonizes all muslims. there are millions of peace-loving muslims living working, raising families and paying taxes in this country. these americans are a crucial line of defense against terrorism. they are the most likely to recognize the warning signs of
radicalization before it's too late, and the best positioned to block it. last year in minneapolis, i met parents, teachers, imams and others in the somali american community who are working with law enforcement and mental health profession to intervene with young people at risk of being radicalized. efforts like that deserve more local and national support. since 9/11, law enforcement has worked hard to build trustful and strong relationships with american muslim communities. as the director of the fbi told congress, anything that erodes that trust makes their job more difficult. we need everyone american community invested in this fight. not fearful and sitting on the sidelines. so when republican candidates like ted cruz call for treating american muslims like criminals, and for racially profiling
predominantly muslim neighborhoods, it's wrong, it's counterproductive, it's dangerous. as a spokesman for the new york police department pointed out last night, that kind of blanket bigotry would treat the city's nearly 1,000 muslim police officers as threats. it's hard to imagine a more incendiary, foolish statement, he said. commissioner bill bratton of the nypd was even more blunt this morning. he said senator cruz doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. demonizing muslims also alienates partners and undermines moderates we need around the world in the fight against isis. there has been a lot of talk from both republicans and democrats about the importance of building coalitions with muslim nations.
having actually done this, i can tell you insulting allies and partners is not a good way to start. another thing we know that does not work, based on lots of empirical evidence, is torture. many intelligence, military, and law enforcement experts have attested to this fact. it also puts our own troops and increasingly our own civilians at greater risk. i'm proud to have been part of the administration that banned torture. after too many years in which we had lost our way. if i'm president, the united states will not condone or practice torture anywhere in the world. even when we're up against opponents who don't respect human life or human rights. torture is not the right choice. as senator john mccain has said, the high standard to which we hole ourselves isn't about our enemies.
it's about us. it's about who we were, who we are, and who we aspire to be. america is a great nation. and this is time for american leadership, smart, strong, steady leadership. no other country can rally allies and partners to defeat isis and win the generational struggle against radical jihadist terrorism. only the united states can mobilize common action on a global scale in defense of our people and our values. america doesn't cower in fear or hide behind walls. we lead, and we succeed. throughout our history, we have stared into the face of evil and refused to blink, whether it was fascism, the cold war, or hunting down bin laden. and we will defeat isis, too.
no enemy or adversary should ever unestimate the determination of the american people. i will never forget what it was like to arrive in brussels for the first time as secretary of state in march of 2009. i was on my way to nato. nato headquarters was buzzing. hundreds of young people at the european parliament had stood and cheered not for me, but for the idea of american leadership, for the promise of an alliance that delivered unprecedented peace and prosperity on both sides of the atlantic. that's what we need to remember today. americans cannot, and i believe will not, turn on each other, turn on our allies or turn away from our principles. we're in it for the long haul. and that means we are going to work together, and we're going to prevail. this may be another one of the
long struggles that we have confronted from time to time in our history. but like all the rest of those, if we can forge a bipartisan consensus, if we can bring our people to understand what this struggle means to us, if we can maintain our alliances and our partnerships, we will be successful. and that will benefit not only our country, but the world. and that, when you boil it down, is what american leadership has to be about. thank you all very much. [ applause ] >> former secretary of state, current front-runner on the democratic side, wants to be the next president of the united states there, hillary clinton, wrapping a significant moment in the wake of what happened in
brussels, belgium, addressing counterterrorism efforts, point number one, addressing how the latest evolution of terrorism how they are nimble and we need to be nimble in responding to them. to defeat them, we must reinforce other allies. and finally, settlely, or not too subtly, take hits at other republicans who would like to be president, specifically she quoted new york police commissioner bill bratton this morning as he was directly saying, and i quote, ted cruz doesn't know what the hell he's talking about on response to senator cruz saying essentially you need to patrol, incidents where there are higher incidents of islamic terrorism in the united states. we heard her talk about how she was proud to be part of administration that outlawed torture. donald trump saying he would be in favor of water boarding. that said, those are the highlights from the speech. let me bring in two smart
voices, ju yell kai yum, and peterbergen, cnn national security analyst. peterbergen, what did you make of secretary clinton? >> i thought that was a sustained attack on a lot of rather poor ideas that the republican candidates have come out with about how to deal with terrorism. whether it's building walls -- hillary clinton correctly said how does that keep the internet out? after all when you look at 60 cases in the united states, they are almost all generated by on line content. the idea that somehow building a wall would solve the problem. also she poured cold water on the idea of turning our back on nato saying that would create christmas in the kremlin, is what she said. she pointed out that patrolling muslim neighborhoods as ted cruz has suggested would be uninstitutional among -- and by the way, the nypd had to settle a lawsuit on this very issue in the previous -- prebratton
administration under ray kelly because new york police officers were going into muslim neighborhoods. and that was deemed, you know, essentially something that wouldn't sustain legal backing of the constitution. she also said, you know, carpet bombing isis in syria and iraqi cities, which is a ted cruz idea, would be, youny, enormously counterproduct i. you would have hundreds of thousands of civilians left dead in the street. i think it was a well executed indictment of a lot of the ideas being set forth by both trump and senator cruz and other other republican candidates. she also said presence that applying a religious test to syrian refugees would be un-american. after all we've heard republican candidates saying we will take syrian refugees but only if they are christian. a fundamentally un-american idea. >> peter, stay with me. juliet, you are sitting here and listening to her speech with me, sort of nodding along.
what were your takeaways. >> to pick up on what peter said, clearly she was throwing shade at cruz and trump as she should. and she did it in the context of not that we are a good democracy and we are liberal and we don't do these things. she said it's infective as a security measure. she got into their lane which is important because democrats are often viewed as not serious about security. in my mind, that was a different sort of tactic by her, and very important. the second is she clearly focused on the eu in a really important way. there are about -- about a quarter of the speech was about the european union. europe has a problem. i know we talk about syria and foreign policy. these men who are attacking europe are europeans. it is a european problem to the extent that something has gone terribly awry. of course they are getting trained abroad. she focused on the eu understanding they had to own what was going on in europe. and then the third thing i
wanted to point out what she did when she open. she did something that the president is actually accused of not doing. she very much sympathized with the sense of unease that many americans feel in terms of the series of attacks we've seen in the past eight or nine months. i think that was important for her to do in the sense that i get that people are nervous. >> emotional. >> emotional in a way you often don't hear from here and custom the president is sometimes accused of not doing as it regards terrorism. peter and i will tell you it's not an existential threat, the terrorist threat. on the other hand people are feeling it in a way that they didn't say even a year ago. >> juliet and peter, thank you both very much. let me just say if you are just joining us here, i'm brooke baldwin. you are watching cnn's live coverage here. authorities in belgium there on high alert. they are issuing a dire warning today at least one of the suspects in the bloody attacks behind it are still at large.ll
as far as what we know right now, two of the suspects have been identified as brothers. the man you see there on the far right, he was the metro bomber. he was the suicide bomber at that metro station near the eu. his brother, seen in the black n the middle there, pushing the baggage cart, he targeted the airport. we do have new details on this bomber here in just a moment. meantime, police are looking for this man. this is the man we were talking about all yesterday, light colored coat, black hat, at the airport. he is the one believed to have placed the heaviest explosives, the largest suit case or bag, if you will, at the airport before taking off. so he is still on the run. he is alive. let me take you straight to brussels to erin burnett who is watching the latest on this investigation. erin, what are you learning? >> brooke, what's amazing here is we're learning receipt now -- obviously you have got this frantic manhunt underway for the man with the light jacket that they believe is somewhere here
in brussels. they have been conducting raids, but they didn't shut the city down. and of course they are also looking for the bomb maker that they believe was involved in this and the paris attacks. and they still, though, nick, i think the key thing we are learning right now they are not sure who is who in terms of the identities. there is a lot of questions about who is dead, who isn't dead, who is on the run. >> i think the key image on people's minds, three men in the airport wheeling trolleys. one of them, eastbound that ram el bakraoui is dead. that's a fact. and he was deported from a city in the south of turkey full of syrian refugees in june of 2015 and the turkish warned the belgians about him. that wasn't enough for him to be arrested. but we don't know who was the other man in black who is dead in that picture. and who is the man on the right who is on the run. khalid al back who caused the blast in the metro station, did
he act alone? >> brooke, as we talk about this hunt, manhunt that's going on, they don't know how many people they are looking for. we know they are looking for the man in the white jacket. but what we don't know -- and more people died in the attack in the metro station. but we don't know how many were involved in the bombings there. again, we see a pair of brothers. in this case, the el bakraoui brothers, one at the airport and one at the metro station. turkey warning belgium that they were concerned one of these brothers was a radical. one of them served a jail term for killing a police officer. the other served a sentence forearms possession. they had sentences of nine years and five years. and turkey raises the red flag. still, ty weren't in custody. weren't being followed. >> there are two issues here.
one is volume. there are so many apparently warnings from turkey to belgian officials. >> they can't track them all. >> they can track everybody. this country in particular, the most ridiculous proportion of people who have gone to syria to fight who return here, disproportionate frankly to the size of the population. that's one issue. the second issue you find what contactually do these brothers do in syria when they go. is this evolution in them for example. they are thought to have been men mostly involved in organized crime but somewhere in the mix the radical ideology fits in. is that another path in their mine. we have to look at the enter poll warning put out about ibrahim al back. most suggests they were looking out for him because of his links to crime, not terrorism. i think that comes back to volume, how much information do you have. >> can't track them all. >> exactly. how do you narrow it down to
what you are supposed to be worried about. >> the city is very much not shut down at least from what we're speakersing. you talk about salah abdeslam fond alive just a few minutes walk from where he was almost captured in a raid and from where he lived before. it's stunning. you have these men fleeing back to this very neighborhood. they are not shutting that neighbor down. they are not going door to door. back to the heart what have hillary clinton just said in her speech, they are not targeting the neighborhood, not going door to door, not shutting it down until they find them. a significant statement they are making in not doing that tonight. >> erin thank you so much. it was this time yesterday we were watching live fix and talking to fred pleitgen as the police helicopters were honed in on one of those neighborhoods. thed found isis flags and screws and nails, and chemicals in some of these apartments as they continue to search. the manhunt as we keep saying is indeed on. meantime think about the families of the loved ones who were in the train area or in the airport. and they still haven't heard
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this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news from brussels. at this moment, a major development, perhaps, in the wild frantic manhunt that is going on as investigators are still searching for the third man in the airport, the man there in that jacket. they believe that they may have established the identity of another one of the men in that picture, one of the suicide bombers. they believe may be the bomb maker, the bomb maker, najim laachraoui as one of the men in the dark shirt there who is pushing that cart and detonated that bomb in the airport. i'm here with nick paton walsh. start with the significance of this. there is a manhunt going on for several people as they have been
desperately searching for thechlt he was one of those men. now they believe this may be him. they don't know. they have not conclusively established it. if it is, this is the bomb maker that made these bombs, the bomb makers whose dna was on the aris bombs. this is somebody important, he has a skill. why would he be a suicide bomber. >> you have to ask yourself if he is willingly giving up his life at this stage, if this information is correct, because they are still looking at fingerprints and dna to establish this hunch, the belief they have at this stage. if he chose to give his life, then you have to options to look at, did he feel his fingerprints were literally on too many devices, he was too exposed and decided to end his role in this conspiracy. or are we talking about him being a lesser figure because as you say if you have that remarkable speakers teet, deadly horrifying expertise, the organization isn't going to want to give that up too easily. >> peterbergen, our
counterterrorism expert, peter, to emphasize again, this would be significant if it's true. they are still analyzing dna to see if this is really the bomb maker. let's start with your take on this. what would be the significance of this bomb maker choosing to kill himself when we know clearly from dna that he has been important in making the bombs for both of these horrible attacks. >> it will be very killing sanity for the following reason, the bombs in both paris and brussels are aerks atp bombs, hard to build. tatp is unstable. the reason you use tatp is you can build the bomb from demonstrate household ingredients. hydrogen. it was used in paris, and now in the brussels attacks. and it's become a signature first of al qaeda in the last decade or so, and now of isis. building these 3w078s, i've seen
them being elt built by skilled bomb makers. they are very hard to build. if you have somebody who is at the center of the cell who is building these bombs who has chosen to die that would be a victory for law enforcement because at the end of the day it's about building these effective bombs that has made this cell i think theically deadly. >> so let me ask you, though, because you know obviously it would be incredibly significant if this is the case and a victory for law enforcement as, peter, you are saying. but when they went back to the apartment where the men left, they say they found 15 kilograms of tapt in that apartment, as well as chemicals-high droe jen peroxide acetone, i'm not sure but chemicals were in there. is it possible he mass trained someone else? i mean he left a stash of 15 kilograms of tapt behind. >> he could have trained somebody else.
but i will say when i've seen these bombs being built by highly professional bomb makers, i did it for a documentary that i was filming and we blew up the bombs in a very deserted quarry in southern england. i mean the level of skill to make these bombs, it requires many, many hours of preparation, getting the precise kind of toxicity of hydrogen peroxide to a particular level. and by the way, when people try to do this -- when they read it on the internet and they try to do this as home often they kill themselves. we saw a case in texas where two kids were basically blowing up these bombs just for fun. and they killed -- one of them was killed and the other one was severely wounded. the point is yes he could have passed on his expertise to other people. but it is not an expertise easily handed over in the course of an afternoon. >> well peter we have much more on this breaking news coming up. brooke, and obviously, this
would be a huge development if true. but, again, they do not yet know if the bomb maker actually is dead or not. they are still trying to identify that through dna, including fingerprints, brooke. >> erin burnett, thank you so much n brussels. of course we're on top of the investigation. let's not let the victims be lost in all of this, the victims, the survivors, the families still looking for answers to questions. one of them is is a young woman in georgia. she is emily eisen men. she says her boyfriend, bart -- we'll show you the photo of the two of emthem. bart was headed to the airport in brussels on his way to come to the states to visit emily in georgia and was taking a train to the airport when emily last heard from him had. emily says he never arrived and neither she nor basht's family have heard from him since those attacks yet morning. emily thank you for joining us. >> hi. thank you. >> tell me, when exactly was the last time you talked to him?
and what was that conversation? >> i talked to him on the phone before he was going to get on his train to go to brussels, which was a two-hour train ride. and you know, he promised me he would tell me once he got to the airport safely. and he did send me a message saying i'm on the train, and, you know, just excited to see me. and that was the last i heard of him. i was hoping to hear from him once he arrived from -- at the airport, and to receive a boarding pass. but neither of those i received. and his family as well. >> let's back up for a second. so he livtwo hours from brussel. he is at university there, in school. he was coming to visit you. you have of course been in touch
with his family. you are thinking where is he and why haven't i heard from him? i imagine his family is as well. has his family been in touch with hospitals or with government files? >> yes, they filed a missing persons report this morning. police came to their house and got a dna testing. they have been going to many hospitals. the military hospital in brussels there they have been at today. and they have just been waiting by to hear the first news. and to this point, we have heard nothing from him. he is on no list of any kind. >> emily, how did you meet him? >> my brothers and i work together. we do -- we promote health and wellness over the media. and like through you tube and facebook. and we hold retreats. so we had a retreat in georgia.
and bart heard about us. you know, he followed us on you tube and wanted to come to a retreat. so he came to the u.s. for the first time to attend this retreat. and we met there. and this was about five months ago. >> about five months ago. so he's, as i pointed out, in university in belgium. you are in athens, in north georgia. you have been back and forth. this is your boyfriend. how old are you, emily, if i may ask? >> i'm 21. >> 21. what is it like, i'm trying to put myself in your shoes. i would be sitting by the phone trying not to go mad. how are you feeling going through all of this. >> these last two days have been something i never thought i would feel. i -- it's been the worst days of my life. i just -- i guess i didn't know how much one person can love
another until -- until you just don't know where they are at. you just have no idea. i'm just hoping for a sign of some sort that he is okay. and i'm just -- i -- i believe in god, and i believe that god is with him and that is what i hold on to. that is where my hope comes from. >> my heart is with you, emily. i can't even pretend to understand what this is like for you. you know, let's remain on theistic. if he's okay, you know, and in that first phone call with him, what's the first thing you are going to tell him? >> that god is our savior, and that if we can make it through this, then there is nothing that can stand between us. and i just cannot wait to see
his smile. and i'm just in hope that that time will come very shortly. yeah. >> emily, i am thinking only happy thoughts. only happy thoughts for you. thank you so much for the time let's stay in touch. my best to you, and of course bart's family as well. thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. soup and sandwich and clean and real and inside jokes and school night. good, clean food pairs well with anything. try the clean pairings menu. at panera. food as it should be. hi...i'm pamela yellen. you may have read my bestselling book "the bank on yourself revolution". over the last 25 years, i've researched more than 450 financial products. i found that one of the best-kept secrets to help you plan for your retirement
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back to brussels here, where we have breaking news. belgian officials are saying that they believe that they may have the identity of the bomb maker, the crucial bomb maker they have had a manhunt for. they say he may be one of the suicide bombers in the airport attack. that now infamous picture, you have the two men in black pushing the luggage cart. those were the two suicide bombers. they say one of them may be najim laachraoui, the bomb maker. his dna on the bombs for the airport bombs, and also in the bombs in the paris attacks. there is still a man hunt going on for the third man in that picture, the man in the light colored jacket. at the metro, where even more people were killed, they know there was one suicide bomber. i want to bring in the u.s. ambassador at large, counterterrorism official at the state department and clairisa
ward. daniel, let me get your reaction. they are trying to figure out what the actual dna is -- let me ask you, clairisa, whether there is najim laachraoui. you have been here throughout the day as the man hunt has been going on. what is the latest that you are learning as they are looking for him, the man in the light colored jacket? >> that's right. well, if this is najim laachraoui and belgian authorities do believe this was indeed him, this is very significant for a number of reasons. let me just go through some of the key points that our viewers should know about laachraoui. this is a 24-year-old male, born in morocco. his dna reportedly found on two of the explosive vests in paris. obviously, if he was one of the bombers in the belgian airport he was heavily involved in this plot as well. he was considered to be extremely dangerous. enter poll put out a so-called red alert for him. in that red alert they detailed
that he had experience with explosives, that he was known for terrorist activity. he was also spotted, you may remember, in september of last year with salah abdeslam in september on the austrian/hungary border. so we are still waiting for absolute confirmation, but it does appear at this stage that najim laachraoui is indeed one of the suicide bombers in that airport attack. this is extremely significant, and it will be somewhat of a relief to authorities here as well because of course he was considered to be armed and dangerous. and he is believed to be the one who had the know-how with regards to forming explosives using very crude, easily available over the counter materials, tatp, that's a peroxide based agent. it can be found in everything from nail polish remover to hair bleach. erin? >> that's right. so easy to obtain the components to make a tatp bomb.
you know, bop bear saying it doesn't take a significant amount of training to successfully make one. others saying it could be much harder than that. daniel benjamin, let me ask you, if this is najim laachraoui, it would be significant because the man with the no how whose dna is on the bombs on the attacks here in brussels and also in paris would be dead. that would be significant. there were of course 15 milligrams of tatp found in the apartment they raided yesterday morning creating more questions tonight. >> that's correct. there are lots and lots of questions. i think what this does tell us, though, is that the cell based in molenbeek was sensing it had a noose tightening around it. the capture of abdeslam suggested there was going to be an important informant in the custody of the police. so the cell seemed to be in a
use it or lose it situation. in a would apply first to the explosives, but also to the people who were going to detonate them themselves, and suicide bombers are an important resource in this kind of terrorism. >> and daniel, the other question of course is that the man hunt continues. they don't know whether there were accomplices on the scene who fled in the metro attack. they don't know where the man in the light colored jacket is in that picture in the airport. and of course they don't know how many others are involved. they believe the man in the jacket is here in brussels yet they are not shutting the city down, not going door to door, not doing what the americans did in boston with the tsarnaev brothers just as an example. should they be doing it like this? >> i'm not a police nanoand i'm really not in a position to examine their police tactics. they probably have a reason for doing it. i'm sure that they are getting a fair amount of assistance from
international intelligence and foreign police as well. so i certainly hope they have a good reason for it. again, you know, they haven't had huge amounts of experience in counterterrorism operations. but they have been on high alert now since paris so i certainly hope they know what they are doing. >> clairisa, they have been going and doing raids. certainly we have been hearing about raids constantly since the paris attacks going on here in the molenbeek brussels. in the days following these attacks you yourself have seen several new raids. >> there have been several new raids. what is key, the belgian authorities are coming under real pressure. many of these men were well-known to police. they were on enter poll red alerts. the brothers can an extensive criminal record. i think a lot of people here will want to know how it is that they were able to slip under the radar and elude capture for so
many months. salah abdeslam living here for about four months, erin. i think a lot of people would like answers. and they want to know that the noose has finally tightened around this terror cell once and for all. >> all right, clairisa ward thank you very much. daniel benjamin thanks very much to you from here in brussels. now back to you brooke. >> erin thank you. let me pick up with a terror correspondent for the new york times. also a counterterrorism expert and the man who led the search for eric rudolph when they finally found him in the appalachian wilderness after years of looking for him. he was the olympic park bomber. good to have you both on. picking up the tail end of that conversation, whether or not this is the bomb maker and whether in fact he is dead. rick, if you are a terror group, and you sort of have an a-team bomb maker and a b-team bomb maker, would someone be waiting in the wings knowing that law
enforcement have been looking for you and that ultimately he is perhaps dead? or is this truly like cutting the head off a snake and this is a huge, huge win for counterterror efforts? >> it's hard to tell at this point. any time that you can take a significant player, especially somebody a skill in making improvised explosives devices that's potentially a win for law enforcement. it seems like because of the arrest of abdeslam that this cell had to speed up their time line. leaving 15 kilograchls the highly unstable homemade high explosive is of concern. you know, it tells me, as a former investigator, that they had bigger plans and that they had -- they felt they needed to speed up their time line because they didn't know whether or not abdeslam was cooperating or to what extent that he was cooperating. i suspect that this cell is part of network cells that are
present in this 1500 cad ray of foreign fighters that have returned from syria and iraq and are now operating in the european continent. >> so many of them coming from syria. that's a huge issue. on your point, meaning to you, we know from intel officials yes this was a plot. these attacks in brussels had been in the works for some time. because of the arrest of the eighth paris terror suspect, that that did accelerate their plots. so we've also learn that one of the wills -- there were two brothers involved, one of whom blew himself up in the airport and the other at the subway -- one of the brothers left his will on a laptop, tossed it in a trash can. within that will -- tell me what we've learned. >> the thing you have to understand, brooke, this is part of isis tactics. fighters who are sent to take part in the external operations wing of the terror group are instructed to leave a will
basically stating their last wishes and making very clear for the record that they were acting on behalf of the islamic state. and we've seen this with the paris attackers. we're now seeing with it the brussels attacker. and with many others before then. so when i see the will, to me it's just another flag that this is part of the pattern of the way isis operates. on the bomb maker, i just wanted to caution that i think the evidence points to the knowledge being not just with one human being. the reason i say that is the first case of an isis operative coming back to europe and trying to build a tatp bomb dates to december 2013. he leaves syria in december 2013. he is briefly arrested in greece in january of 2014, and is finally arrested with the tatp bombs in france in february of 2014. we are talking almost two years ago. that man successfully made tatp
bombs. they are stuffed inside of a red bull soda can. the one element he hadn't figured out was how to make the detonator. but going back almost two years we see that this group had the know how to make the tatp. in paris the bombs went off in seven different locates and materials associated with the making of those bombs were found in three different locations, two in france and one in belgium. that suggests there was more than one bomb maker, i believe. >> i have so many more questions. we are out of time. please come back to both of you. meantime, president obama is hitting back against his critics to his response to the brussels attacks. >> i've got a lot of things on my plate. but my top priority is to defeat isil. >> congressman steve cohen, who has been traveling with the president in cuba, he will join me live. he will weigh in on the president's remarks, some of the
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terror and concern throughout the civilized world because they're against the civilized world. we do have a war on terror. it was a terrible thing that we had to undergo and experience, and it was a shame that the bush administration didn't recognize and accept the signals they were given by the cia to have been on alert before we had 9/11, but they got us into this, we're there and we need to protect our people and the people in the civilized world against isis. >> the state department even today issuing a warning alerting u.s. citizens to potential risks of travel to and throughout europe because of what happened in brussels, talking to folks who cover state. they say it's a pretty rare thing, what the state department did here. do you think it's appropriate? >> well, i'm sure it is. the state department wouldn't do it unless they were concerned about the safety of americans and that's the first concern we should always have. this situation i think was probably -- probably set off by the arrest of the last paris
conspirator and these folks in belgium thought they better act before they get captured themselves. it's a shame they weren't captured, they should have been. >> on to cuba. you were at that baseball game, i believe. we saw the president at the baseball game. he said, you know, this is precisely what we should be doing, not, you know, cowtowing to terror so he was there in havana and has faced blistering criticism from republicans, specifically john kasich even, saying the president should have come back and begun to talk to leaders of europe. senator ted cruz saying president obama is at a baseball game yucking it up with the castro communist dictators rather than being in america. your response to that. >> well, those people think that president obama makes a mistake every day that he wakes up and they had that problem with him ever since he's been elected president and they can't get over it. he wasn't born in kenya. he's an outstanding commander in chief and he has telephones. believe it or not, air force one
has communication tools where he can contact and speak with any leader in the world at any time that he needs to, and i'm sure he was doing that while in the air. president obama doesn't just sit around and play cards. he's a very engaged president and even in that airplane he's working and he's working on behalf of the american people to make us more secure. >> before i let you go, on a personal note, i know that you were in havana with secretary kerry and others back in august when the u.s. embassy reopened, which was a huge, huge deal. your passion for cuba started when you were a young boy and you met minimnie minoso. i'm sorry you're missing the rolling stones on friday. >> it was an exhibition baseball game in memphis. i was not quite 6. i was on crutches after having polio. i had a white sox cap and shirt and a baseball player gave me a ball. i thanked him and he said don't thank me, thank that player over there, number 9. blackest player on the field but in segregated memphis he didn't
feel comfortable giving a ball to a white kid. he was a warm and gracious man, he was my hero. i visited him on one of his last visits to memphis and he stayed at the lorraine where dr. king was assassinated. so he taught me about civil rights early, he taught me about kindness to kids. we just had a cuban child come to memphis for pediatric cardiac surgery and it saved his life and he taught me about the love for cuba which i've had. so i've been on the cuba team for a long time. i was proud to be there and see the flag go up ending the berlin wall and now we've got relations with cuba. the cuban people loved our president and the american people can travel to cuba more freely and eventually totally freely and that was -- >> it's on my bucket list. i would be lying if i said i wasn't a little jealous of your
multiple trips down there. congressman steve cohen, thank you for the time. >> you're real young, you can get a big bucket. >> i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with john berman starts right now. >> thanks, brooke. the alleged bomb maker blows himself up. "the lead" starts right now. breaking news in the brussels terror attacks. investigators now believe the alleged bomb maker behind the carnage in brussels and paris, and paris, is dead. but are other attacks still in the works? also, airports, subways, sports arenas, tourist traps, the state department warning americans in europe to avoid crowded places that could become the next war zone. plus naked anger. donald trump makes an ominous threat to spill the beans on mrs. ted cruz after an ad shows mrs. trump leaving little to the imagination.