tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN March 23, 2016 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
we're going to stay on top of all the political news, the race for the white house. that's it for me. i'm wolf blitzer. thanks very much for watching. next, live from brussels where the breaking news tonight. cnn obtaining exclusive new video from inside the airport moments after the blasts. plus, the explosive known as the mother of satan found in one of the suspect's apartments. ted cruz says patrol muslim neighborhoods. donald trump says waterboard. hillary clinton says they're both dead wrong. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. and i live in brussels tonight. outfront, the breaking news. the exclusive new video, terrifying images from inside the airport attack.
the death toll has risen today. the tragedy getting even worse. at least 31 people now dead. 270 more injured. many of them with lost limbs and severe burns. lives that will forever be changed. tonight, we have obtained exclusive video from inside the airport just after the explosions. i want to warn you this is graphic video with incredibly disturbing images. people coming into an airport to go on vacation, to say good-bye to their loved ones, men, women, and children on the floor, bodies everywhere. this is inside an airport. people going on vacation or for work. this is a horrifying moment that happened here in brussels yesterday. also today belgian investigators say they believe the second suicide bomber seen on the left in the airport surveillance photo, that one there on the far left is a suspected isis bomb
maker tied not only to the brussels attacks, but to the terror attacks last november. that leaves the man in the white jacket as the central focus of a manhunt. we're covering the story from every angle. tonight, i want to begin with clarissa ward. in this city still a massive manhunt going on, a race against time as they're worried of more attacks in particular for that man. >> yes. we have seen this image over and over again, the three men in the airport. it's the man on the right whose identity we still don't know. wearing a cap and glasses, possibly an attempt to disguise his appearance. whereas the other two men are each wearing a glove, those gloves likely used to disguise the detonator they would have been carrying, this man was not wearing any gloves. possibly an indication he never
intended to blow himself up. his suitcase containing the most powerful and deadly explosives. belgian authorities have been incredibly tight lipped. they don't want to leak anything into the media. there are raids and searches going on. they don't want to do anything that could damage their investigation because they're coming under a lot of pressure here. a lot of these men were known to authorities. there are questions about how they were able to elude capture so long. >> known previously in jail. some of them already wanted. it is a manhunt for that one man in particular, but also possibly for others that could be planning attacks now. >> the belgian prosecutor said there are still a number of men at large possibly armed, possibly dangerous. this is a city still very much on high alert. you can hear behind us there are some revelers and people who have been coming here to pay their respects. people here are also frightened, erin.
>> thank you very much. as i traveled here today from paris, it did not appear that there was any noticeable increase in security coming into belgium despite the massive manhunt. still authorities are turning up a number of significant leads in a community just near where we are. a desperate race against time. police raiding several apartments, searching for suspected terrorists tied to the deadly twin attacks on the brussels airport and the metro station. the fear they may strike again soon. the focus of the manhunt tonight, the man in the white jacket. >> translator: the third suspect wearing a white colored jacket and a hat has fled. his bag contained the largest explosive. shortly after the arrival of the bomb squad, this bag exploded. >> reporter: this man najim
laachraoui is one of the men who possibly blew himself up. he traveled to europe with salah abdeslam, the paris attacker who fled the carnage. abdeslam hid in brussels for months. a tip from the taxi driver who drove the three attackers to the airport led police to this apartment. >> translator: 15 kilos of explosives, a suitcase filled with nails and explosive devices. >> reporter: ibrahim el bakraoui was deported to belgium from turkey last year after authorities flagged him to the belgians. two more of the men were already wanted by interpol before the attacks. i want to bring in ryan heath.
he lives here in brussels. he knows this community well. clarissa ward is still with me. ryan, i want to show that video because it is something that strikes at the heart of everyone watching. you go to an airport and it's that possibility. it's that special time with your family. one woman with her two twin daughters and her husband, she died. it brings home how horrific this is. >> it brings back what we were all feeling yesterday, the absolute chaos and confusion because it was really unclear where where these noises coming from, what was going to follow next, where could people go for help. whether you were at the metro or the airport, that was a pattern that emerged throughout the day and followed with the controlled explosions throughout the afternoon. we didn't know if that was a next bomb. it took us hours to restore the
calm and rhythm to daily life here. >> this terror cell which has been involved in the paris terrorist attacks now planning again. now the fear tonight that we see in this image and in this video from the airport could happen again, that they are in this race against time, that there could be more attacks. >> this coming on the heels of paris when people thought never could this happen again and yet it has happened again. some of these men were able to hide in plain sight for four months. many of them traveled to syria. many of them had extensive rap sheets. i think there's a very real sense of realization not just in belgium, but all across europe that this is a huge problem and authorities are still struggling to get their arms around it.
>> you have the controversial comments by ted cruz in the united states about policing muslim communities. with the boston bombing, they shut the city down until they found him. they're not shutting down brussels until they find this man in the white jacket. they're not doing that, but they are trying to do raids. you've been learning a lot more about that, these raids that are going on. >> i've been involved in following these raids. i can assure your viewers at that time the police were not in control in that situation. we really didn't know what the plan was or what the outcome was. you would think after that experience and after knowing you needed to put a long-term plan into place, after pressure from allies, from france, and other sources that they really would have upped their game. instead what we saw was a significant but not an all-out effort to conduct searches all
through molenbeek. in a district that has 37 houses, they've searched one out of 250. that's a big gap. people need to be asking questions, where should we be landing in that gap. >> how they're not searching homes who are linked to people who have rap sheets, who are on terrorist lists. >> this speaks to just the complete disconnect between the authorities and the communities where these people are hiding out. there's a total lack of trust for the authorities in these communities. i remember where the raids were in paris people were saying we don't talk to cops here. we keep our heads down. we behind our own business. in the raid where salah abdeslam was discovered, that was an accident. it was an accident.
>> which is absolutely shocking when you think about the reality of that situation. but there's no plans then, ryan, to shut down that neighborhood or shut down this city, even though they believe that there could be more attacks? that's a risk that they're going to take? >> yes. we have a situation where the law is frozen in time. you can't raid a house after 9:00 p.m. in belgium and before 5:00 a.m. that's one of the times that abdeslam got away in recent months. >> that's a stunning fact. >> the police began a series of fake raids in cafes behind them. if that's not a band aid solution, i don't know what it is. we're running out of band aids now that this manhunt continues and we're not getting much closer to the result. >> band aid solution when people are being massacred and slaughtered. outfront next, the deadly explosive known as the mother of satan made with materials you
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disturbing, but this is what something so simple from a drugstore can wreak. nick paton walsh is outfront. >> reporter: exclusive new video from inside the airport just moments after the explosions. mass devastation. children screaming. is this the aftermath of a ttatp bomb? officials found 15 kilograms of the explosive where the alleged bomb maker was hiding out. it's a homemade explosive with a sinister nickname, the mother of satan. volatile and can potentially cause extensive damage. experts say it is also cheap with ingredients that are easy to come by. >> 90% of the stuff we have here, you don't need a license to buy. i can come home with 90% of this. >> reporter: brussels is not the first time tatp has been traced
to terrorist attacks. last november, salah abdeslam detonates his vest full of the explosive. july 2005, bombs explode throughout london. 52 dead, more than 700 injured. investigators discovered the homemade bombs contained tatp. one is arregets the ingredients needs at a colorado beauty store, a lowe's, and a walmart. seth jones specialized in counterterrorism at the rand corporation. he says tatp ingredients are so readily available buying the items may not raise suspicions. that's why intel is key.
>> the one who was identified in 2009 was involved in boiling tatp in his hotel room in aurora. he was not identified for the ingredients he was purchasing. he was identified because of good intelligence in monitored e-mail accounts where he came up. >> nick paton walsh is here with me along with bob bear and nick cruickshank. these terrorists knew exactly what they were doing when they assembled this bomb, when they brought it into the airport. ingredients can wreak that kind of damage. >> some of these the devices were almost too heavy for them to lift. very volatile. if you're not concerned about your own well-being, let alone those around you, extraordinary potent. something you could make out of
normal stuff you can buy in a drugstore. >> normal stuff you can buy a drugstore and when it comes to assembly, something you think you can train on pretty quickly. reports that the bomb maker was a suicide bomber, but this question of could others be able to do this. you think the answer to that is yes. >> erin, yes. it'd take me a couple of days out with you in the field practicing the stuff, getting the protocols, making it safe, teaching you how to keep it in the refrigerator, watching out for static. the formula is very simple. boiling the peroxide down. we could open a bomb factory in your hotel room. if you had good ventilation, make as many bombs as you'd like over the course of many days. >> it's a terrifying thing. when the taxi driver said, i
picked these men up and i picked them up at this apartment, they found all the materials that were used to make these bombs. when you hear 15 kilograms, how many bombs could you make with that? in this one apartment, 15 kilograms. how much is that? >> well placed, i could kill 500 people with that between malls and airports. you could do 15 vests. a kilo of that could do the same damage that was done in the airport. this stuff is very powerful. it's like a military plastic explosive. people are terrified of this. it's easy to make. we've been tracking this technology, the cia, back to the early 80s. there was one bomb maker who taught the islamic state how to make this stuff. the technology is widespread. getting one bomb maker in belgium is not going to stop these attacks.
>> of course, involved in that airplane explosion, the russian airline r so recently. cruickshank, what do you think they were planning to do with that? obviously, everyone says they went ahead with these attacks because they were worried that maybe authorities were going to catch on to them, but clearly they had more planned because they didn't use everything that they had. >> that's absolutely right, erin. belgium officials say they fear the plan was going to be twice as big because after all they arrested or killed at least half of this terrorist network that remains in brussels. they arrested salah abdeslam. they killed the overall leader of the paris and brussels attacks. there are at least three others that were going to be involved in a bigger plan, a bigger attack, but the rest of the cell
that were still at large, they feared that they were cornered, so they accelerated their plans. launched a smaller attack, and they had all this explosive that they had made. in fact, they got into a taxi to go into an airport and they couldn't fit it all into the taxi. just one point of what bob was saying, sure, it's easy to make, but only if you're taught what to do. most of these extremists don't have the luxury of getting trained by someone like bob. i can only think of a couple of examples where extremists in the west have managed to make tatp without going overseas to get trained and instructed on how to make it. a lot of european extremists going over there and getting that training. one who came back to france in early 2014 was plotting an attack against the french riviera. he had three kinds of tatp that
he managed to build. >> nick, they were accumulating all these materials and able to do that here in brussels. whether they bought it in bulk or went in every week and emptied a pharmacy, this was happening in a city on high alert. >> i think you have to ask the question what was that remaining material in that flat intended for. we still have people whose whereabouts are unknown. the man in white, no name for him. >> he's just one of many that they're looking for. >> what was that explosive left behind for? was there a further plot? is there an explosive elsewhere? many questions that must keep investigators awake tonight. >> thank you very much. outfront next, the missed signs, so many of them. one of the airport suicide
bombers was flagged by the turkish government. he went to turkey. he came here to brussels. they said watch out, he's a terrorist. belgium did nothing. two brothers are behind the brussels terror attacks. it's a disturbing trend. why has jihad become such a family affair. . flonase controls six. and six is greater than one. flonase changes everything.
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breaking news. it's about 12:30 a.m. here in brussels where cnn is learning of a possible intelligence failure leading up to yesterday's deadly terrorist attack. government officials were aware of at least two of the attackers. just last year, turkey deported ibrahim el bakraoui. pamela brown ioutfront breaking a lot of this news. here we are with another horrific attack and missed signs yet again. >> it is disturbing when you hear from turkish authorities yesterday said they deported ibrahim el bakraoui to brussels.
then you have his brother, khalid, who blew himself up at the metro station. there was an interpol red notice issued for him just this year for terrorism charges. today, the belgian prosecutor came out and said all they knew where are that the brothers were linked to violent crimes, not terrorism. erin, clearly there is a disconnect here with the information flow. >> it certainly is. all right. thank you very much. and i want to bring in theolenb. thank you so much for being with us tonight. terrible time for you as a citizen of brussels. one of the men involved in these horrible attacks here in brussels was deported from turkey. they told the belgians, they said watch out for him.
they flagged him. he came back to brussels. did any belgian authorities ever tell you he was coming back? >> no, of course not. you had the local level and the federal level. there is no collaboration -- >> so they're not talking to you. >> they don't have to talk to me about their investigation. what i have to do as mayor is to be careful about what's happened on the street, the security of the people. when we have a police operation or raids, you see concerning those people who became terrorists. i didn't have any information about them. we didn't know they had become radicalists. >> when they came home, people in the community didn't tell anyone. they lived amongst them.
many people in the community knew. no one said anything. that has to be a really hard thing as a mayor to know that some of these people are living in what we might call plain sight in molenbeek. >> yes. well, i think that most of the people here in molenbeek, they didn't know they had become radicalists, that they were preparing attacks, terrorist attacks. i'm sure about that, but maybe we aren't being careful enough about what's going on in the streets or in some places in our district. >> thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> a significant statement there. paul cruickshank is back with me. paul, you just heard the mayor say there's no collaboration, no sharing of information so when someone comes back to her neighborhood flagged by a
foreign country as a terrorist, belgian authorities don't tell her. that's something pretty shocking to here. >> there's been a lot of criticism about information sharing. in belgium, there are a lot of different jurisdictions there. you have three languages in belgium and many different agencies, so that clearly needs to be worked on. but i think there's been a lot of sort of beating up on belgium over the last few months. some of that is fair and some of that is perhaps unfair. i speak a lot to belgium investigators. we can't tell the full story of that yet for obvious reasons, but they arrested 11 people in connection with the paris attacks. last year in january 2015, they thwarted a major gun and bomb plot which may have been just as big as the paris attacks. there was also some impressive
police work in getting salah abdeslam. this is a small country with limited capabilities. it is trying to do its best to prevent this threat, but they're bearing the brunt of isis' attack plans right now, erin. >> all right. i want to bring ryan heath back in, a senior political correspondent here in brussels. the mayor, she admitted, look, yes, i did not know. no one would tell me if people come back that they suspect are terrorists. >> that's a problem, but it's also not the full story. there's three pieces of information we need to factor in. at some point, the mayor was handed a list of 95 people that belgian authorities did understand to be terrorists. she doesn't have a lot of power about what she can do with that information. but you're at one of the most powerful levels of government. there is a lot of power and money concentrated in the hands of a mayor. if you were the mayor of a
district and there were radical problems there and you were in the same party as the prime minister of your country who does have the power to do things, did you two every met to discuss about what to do? maybe, maybe not. at another level, we have the city locked down for four days in the end of november last year. and we had dozens of raids take place. i think only one person was charged out of all those raids. there might be good policing somewhere else, but that didn't look like good policing when you're on the end of those raids. >> i had a chance to talk to her a little earlier. she said it would be a mistake to shut molenbeek down right now, which is in a sense impressive to those who are watching. impressive in a good way or a bad way.
>> sometimes there's a difference between what's fair and what is necessary. i think that's the question now that needs to be asked. i think the mayor is right when she says the majority of people didn't know about this. the problem is too many people did know about this. the organization of the terror cell, the layers of people who had to be involved in escorting individuals in and out of buildings, to help someone like abdeslam from being cornered, but couldn't be taking because of laws that prevent raids between 9:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m., it's something that goes quite deep. that's the source of the concern right now. there could be more bombs and attacks because of the depth of those networks in molenbeek and schaerbeek. >> thank you very much, ryan, and to our paul cruickshank. two of the suicide bombers in brussels were brothers. we have a special report on this strange and disturbing pattern again and again. brothers united in terror. the war of words that has
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it is about 12:45 here in brussels in the morning. right now, the deadly terror attacks in brussels are breaking news. turns out they were a family affair. authorities revealing two brothers carried out the carnage here, the el bakraouis. the latest case in a very troubling pattern of siblings teaming up for horrific terrorist attacks. >> reporter: the first attack in brussels, the airport where ibrahim el bakraoui blew himself up in one of the two deadly explosions in the departure lounge. an hour later, his younger brother, khalid el bakraoui, would follow in his footsteps carrying out the attack at the
metro. sharing a family name, a life history, and radical beliefs. >> does that surprise do you? >> no, it doesn't surprise me. a lot of our cases revolved around family members working together. >> reporter: counterterrorism expert and retired fbi agent steven moore says look at recent history. abdeslam was a logistics man. his sibling brahim abdeslam join ed his brother in terror. the boston marathon bombing, homegrown terrorists and brothers. the 9/11 hijackers. of the 19, there were three sets of brothers.
>> they'll support each other sometimes even when they're not ideological ideologically sold on what you're believing in. they're following you, not an ideology. >> reporter: one person latches on. he or she can bring impressionable relatives in the same house along. in 2014, then 19-year-old mohammad packed his bags and headed to chicago's o'hare to join isis in syria. traveling with him, his 17 and 15-year-old brother and sister. u.s. customs stopped him at the gate. his mother made this plea. >> we have a message. leave our children alone. >> reporter: counterterrorism experts say knowing the pattern is one thing. addressing it, well, that's something different. the key may be that they know that there is a leader in the
family if this happens. they need to figure out who the leader is, get to that person before turning the siblings into followers. it's easier said than done. >> thank you very much. we've seen this again and again and again. outfront next, ted cruz says the solution is to patrol muslim neighborhoods in america. donald trump says waterboard. hillary clinton says they're wrong. we'll be back.
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the deadly massacre here in brussels dominating the race for the white house. donald trump and ted cruz both pushing controversial plans to fight isis. hillary clinton says they're guilty of being bigots. president obama says they'll only make isis stronger. >> reporter: the brussels terror attacks sending shock waves in the race for president. donald trump says he'll leave all options on the table. >> i'm never going to rule anything out. i wouldn't want to tell you that. at a minimum, i want them to think maybe we would use it. >> reporter: and doubling down on his support for harsh interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding. >> the eggheads that came up with this international law should turn on their television and i would be willing to bet,
when i'm seeing all of the bodies laying on the floor, young, beautiful children laying dead on the floor, i would say maybe, just maybe, they'll approve waterboarding and other methods. >> i'm proud to have been part of the administration that banned torture after too many years in which we had lost our way. if i'm president, the united states will not condone or practice torture anywhere in the world. >> reporter: clinton also calling out ted cruz by name. >> so when republican candidates like ted cruz call for treating american muslims like criminals and for racially profiling predominantly muslim neighborhoods, it's wrong. it's counterproductive. it's dangerous. >> reporter: president obama echoing clinton's comment while on a visit first to cuba, then to argentina. >> i just left a country that
engages in that kind of neighborhood surveillance, which by the way the father of senator cruz escaped for america, the land of the free. the notion that we would start down that slippery slope makes absolutely no sense. >> reporter: cruz returning fire, charging that democrats are misguided in their strategy for combatting terrorist threats. >> it's an example where democrats are more concerned about political that's why people are so fed up. we need a commander in chief whose priority is keeping the american people safe. and that's what i'll do. >> as both democrat and republican candidates, they are doublging down on what makes them the strongest commander in chief.
painting his former secretary of state hillary clinton that way. while obama and clinton are in lockstep portraying trump and cruz as reckless, inexperienced and out of touch. in a thinly veiled reference to trump, clinton said today loose cannons tend to misfire. erin? >> thank you very much, suzanne. "outfront" former member of south carolina's house of representatives, bakari sellers, a hillary clinton supporter and the host of the ben ferguson show, ben ferguson, a ted cruz supporter. ben, hillary clinton came out today and said what ted cruz is proposing is bigotry. that it would be absolutely the wrong idea. it's a strong word to call someone you could be running against a bigot? >> yeah, i'm not surprised she's trying to score political points here when we're under attack by muslim extremists, and she won't even call them muslim extremists or jihadists or terrorists.
there's a big difference in the way you have ted cruz looking at this and hillary clinton. ted cruz is saying we need a relationship on the streets in the neighborhoods where we know people are trying to actively recruit young muslim men to be terrorists. and the same way that we have police that go into neighborhoods that are either high crime, regardless of what the makeup in the neighborhood is. the same way we go into areas where there are gang problems. where we try to get a connection. policemen do thus with parents and grandparents and people on the streets to try to get rid of gangs. we should be proactively doing this the way we did after 9/11. it may not be politically correct, but it saves people's lives. >> bakari, hillary clinton says policing muslim communities different than others, giving them special scrutiny is plain bigotry. is it bigotry or building relationships in muslim communities? >> well, what's it is is racial profiling at its highest and it
is bigotry and foreign policy rooted in xenophobia. no one is talking about on the republican side a comprehensive strategy to take on isis. what ted cruz says today was something as bombastic as donald trump to score political points. no one is talking about strengthening or joining air strikes to take out isis strongholds in iraq and syria. nobody is talking about helping out arab and kurdish forces on the ground or using diplomacy to help finish or remedy this syrian civil war or this iraq sectarian divide that we have. they aren't talking about these things. instead they are playing to the red meat of their base and leaving americans unsecure in being a great recruiting tool for isis. >> with all due respect, what's you -- bangets car rkari, one o registered voters say donald trump is the best candidate to handle terrorism. donald trump, 1 in 3. he wants to temporarily ban muslims from the united states
and build a bowall on the southn border. more trust donald trump than hillary clinton on terrorism. that's pretty damning isn't it? >> donald trump is running for war criminal in chief. i'm not worried about who is going to keeper country safer, donald trump or hillary clinton. i truly believe in the heart of american people. america understands there's no doubt in our minds that just building a wall between america and mexico or banning all muslims, that is not a foreign policy. that's more dangerous than anything. >> but, erin, that's not what we're talking about -- >> go ahead, ben. >> what we're talking about here is the idea that bakari has just said that he is endorsing is the idea that we've had for the last 6 1/2, 7 years under president obama. it's been a failure. the idea is a failed idea. we tried it this way. we don't engage terrorists and we pull back from terrorism and tarks loud for isis to become what it. is we see isis to be automobile
be able to do what they are doing in europe. we have to change the way we're -- >> that's not what i'm saying. >> the way we're recruiting muslim extremists and fighting back, this is not a time for political correctness to gain votes as hillary clinton is trying to do. this is a time to be honest with the american people and say this idea that obama came up with has been a failure and we have to change course. that's what ted cruz was saying today and last night. >> all right. thank you both very much. we'll be right back with our continuing coverage of the brussels attacks live here in belgium. mited time, you can get a great deal on this passat. wow, it looks really good... volkswagen believes safety is very important... so all eleven models come standard with an intelligent crash response system... hmm. ...seven stability-enhancing systems... hmmm... ...and equipment for two child seats. hmmm... for those who take safety seriously. like we do. the volkswagen safety in numbers event... is happening now!
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candles, writsing tributes. famous monuments around the world lit up in the colors of the belgian flag. all of this a token of solidarity for the lives lost. at least 31. 230 more forever changed. we are brussels on the highway. one of the first fatalities we're learning about a 36-yeermd woman at the airport with her husband, her twin 3-year-old daughters going for an easter trip with her twin daughters when the bombs witness off. her little girls and husband miraculously survived. they'll never again see her. a belgian law student killed at the metro station here in brussels. another man also lost his life there, a government worker. among the missing and the wounded, many with american ties including this tennessee couple stephanie and sebastian schultz. their family still awaiting news of their fate tonight. also missing two siblings who have spent a lot of time in new york. and bart was set to fly to see his girlfriend in the united
states. imagine the excitement and jubilation he felt on that trip. the last text was on the train to the brussels airport. and then sebastian, a basketball player who we learned today had a second surgery to remove bomb fragments and the american mormon missionaries. one witnessed the boston bombing and now this. they're all in our thoughts and prayers. thank you for joining us. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. john berman here for anderson. the reasons why americans are being warned travel to europe and face the possibility of more terror attacks. a state department alert came out last night and raised a lot of eyebrows. now we know the thinking behind it and some of the intelligence and other evidence that went into it. the assessment, paris wasn't the first. brussels won't be the last attack isis might have some store. might have broader and bigger plans which is why in the search