the second fugitive is suspected of leaving behind the heaviest bomb at the airport, and investigators are scrambling to piece together these clues to prevent more attacks and the attorney for the captured paris terrorists, abdeslam is no longer cooperating, and he wants to be extradited to france. let's begin with our senior international correspondent. two fugitives that we know of on the run? >> reporter: yes, and if he is still alive, he is part of the intensifying manhunt as the raids continued overnight. i want to break down the details, but i want to warn our viewers that this is going to be quite difficult to watch.
just two days after the deadly coordinated attacks on brussels. investigators are scrambling to piece together the clues. authorities identifying two out of three suspects caught on airport surveillance cameras before two bombs went off. on the left, najim laachraoui, he is a bombmaker and his dna was found in the home where the paris bombs were made skphrbgs next to him, ibrahim el bakraoui, and the third man still unidentified and now the most wanted man in all of
europe. he dropped off a suitcase full of explosives near the check-encounter and fled. an hour later, a metro station near seven european facilities also rocked by terror. investigators have learned khalil el bakraoui set off the bomb in the train station. one was sentenced to five years for prison for carjacking and ibrahim was sentenced to prison in 2010. this is what happened in the airport moments after the blast.
a taxi driver capturing this chilling video filming as he runs into the departure halls to find his son who worked at the airport cafe, and thankfully he survives, and he stumbles over the debris, bodies buried underneath the rubble. a baby cries in the middle of it all. alone. her mother lays unmoving. here, a single rose lays crushed, possibly a welcoming gift for an arriving passenger, and now a symbol of lives lost in the tragic terror attack. outside bystanders coming to the aid of the injured waiting for medical assistance, and those who are able comfort the wounded, though many inside did not survive.
as the investigation is come into sharper focus we are getting a glaring sense of the investigative gaps that led up to the horrifying events that unfolded here. >> we want to tell you that at this hour police raids are being conducted all across brussels, because as we said there are still fugitives out there. police are widening their manhunt for them and anybody else who may have helped them. our cnn international correspondent is live with more. fred, what you have learned? >> alisyn, there have been raids on going not just today, but yesterday as well. i was at the location of two raids that happened where apparently they were looking for suspects here in the greater brussels area, and one of the other places that a lot of the police work is focusing on is where i am right now. this is the building that you see behind me was the main bomb-making factory for at least
three of the terrorists who then went to the airport in brussels, and two of them, of course, we believe blew themselves up. we want to take a look at the building here. you can see up on the top floor, that's the apartment that they worked out of, and when police went into that apartment they were amazed to find some 15 kilograms, more than 30 pounds of high-grade explosive called tatp, which is the same type of explosive that was also used in the paris attack. the other thing they found was screws, which is of course something mixed in the bombs to make them more deadly and they found an isis flag, and they believe the el bakraoui brothers were here. another thing they found was a laptop in a garbage can out in front of the building that seemed to contain something like the last will of one of the attackers, and it seemed to show
him saying police was on to him and he was on the run and he he felt he needed to conduct the attacks as fast as possible or he would be captured by the police. >> stay with us, if you would. we want to bring in our cnn senior correspondent, calista ward. one of the suspect said he is no longer cooperating with the authorities and wants to be extradited to paris for the attack, and i am sceptical when terror suspects claim things or their attorneys, but what does this mean? >> up to this point, one of the paris attackers, abdeslam, he was trying to avoid extradition to france. now he changed his mind and decided he wants to be extradited to france as soon as
possible, and salah abdeslam himself was not present but he has been charged with terror offenses, and there was a clue, and his lawyer said he is no longer cooperating with the police. the question i have to what extent was he cooperating with police before, because these attacks happened just days after he was captured. >> how could he announce -- >> it was the french that announced that, not the belgians. >> i couldn't tell if they were trying to curry sympathy with the public that he was cooperating and then he got in trouble with that for his network and now say he is not cooperating, and it's hard to know what is real. >> what we do know, that information that he was cooperating likely precipitated these attacks because the rest
of the network felt the noose is tightening and we need to get it done. >> you had a chance to speak to the principal of one of the suspects. what did you learn? >> reporter: one of the interesting things we have been finding as we have been investigating all of these attacks that have been going on is that in many cases a lot of these people have local roots. right now i am in the district of scar beck. only a mile away from here, less than a mile away from here, is the place where najim laachraoui went to school. we were able to speak to the principal of the school and it's a catholic school he went to and she said he was a fairly regular student and somebody that doesn't have disciplinary issues, and he went to the
school until 2009, and after that was never heard by them as well. the fact that this man was part of the plot has shaken them here, and it underscores the local roots that a lot of the plots have. if we look at salah abdeslam, he was captured only a block away from where he grew up, alisyn. >> and we went there yesterday and i will show you what we learned. let's talk about the manhunt that is under way for at least two fugitives. authorities have not put out surveillance photo as who they believe was part of the subway attack. >> part of the issue is, authorities -- it appears to me from our conversations
authorities have not yet pinned down if he is alive or dead, and is it our benefit to release this information out to the public domain and they are hunting for him. >> they believe the airport bomber is still alive and they feel he left the suitcase and we don't know a name, we see a picture of him in the white hat and jacket. >> and the fact that he was wearing glasses and a hat could indicate he was trying to disguise his features and you see the other two men each wearing one glove likely use to disguise a detonator, but the man in the white jacket who is still believed to be at large was not wearing a glove and that would appear to indicate he was never planning to blow himself up. at this stage, the authorities really giving people mixed messages, on the one hand trying to show they are being proactive and the investigation is ongoing and they are making progress and
showing very little information to the public. >> if that was a disguise and he was planning to flee the airport does that suggest a new mo for this type of attack? >> it mimics what salah abdeslam did in paris. that was part of the false trail. he claimed he had a change of heart. that was the first information that came out of the interrogation, and then the french authorities say we believe he was headed to another attack site, so they realized the propaganda value of having these people out there and talking about how they can't capture them, and this is what they were trying to replicate what happened in paris happened here in brussels. >> if they were a bombmaker it would not make sense to blow themselves up, they would have to live on to perpetrate a crime another day. >> when we talked about najim
laachraoui being identified as one of the terrorists, and he may not have been the bombmaker in chief, and we are talking about things you can get that is in hair bleach and nail polish remover. >> is the thinking still that suitcase bomb that didn't detonate and had a huge amount of capt in there that it was sophisticated or not sophisticated? >> there seems to have been an evolution in his skills set. you remember the france bomb, only one person killed in the bombs, and that's where he was then and now you have seen a more stabilized and sophisticated bomb-making skill set, and as clarissa was saying, it doesn't make him a master
bombmaker. >> information develops every hour, and you are working your sources constantly and we will check back with you throughout the program. thank you very much. let's get back to new york. we are learning more about the missing and injured in the attacks in brussels. an american couple living in belgium are among those still missing two days after the terror attacks and imagine what it's like to learn the fate of their loved ones. >> it's horrible beyond imagination. >> family members still holding on to hope their loved ones will be found. two were on the phone with her mother while checking in for their flight at jfk. >> it sounded like they went underwater and then it went dead.
>> it's been the worst days of my life. i just -- i guess i didn't know how much one person can love another until -- until you just don't know where they are at. >> andre adam also at the airport, and he was with his wife danielle waiting for a flight to miami and danielle was found but he was not. this missing couple from tennessee were walking back from the security get after dropping off stephanie's mother when the bombs went off, and on wednesday there was hope the couple had been found, and his brother was contacted by the state department and told they were on the injured list but then a call saying that information was
incorrect. his brother tweeted out to keep praying they are found alive. we are going to speak to somebody whose loved ones is still missing, and they are hoping to get some word they are maybe injured but still alive. >> our hearts go out to the families and we are hoping for good news. the political debate intensifying over how to respond to the pwrbrussels attacks. >> hillary clinton looking to show evenhandedness and appear presidential apparently as a counter balance to the rhetoric coming from the gop attacking the republican presidential candidates for proposing things she said are dangerous in her view that would make a bad situation worse in the fight against international terrorism.
she said senator ted cruz's proposal for patrolling and securing muslim neighborhoods were wrong and counter productive and dangerous and puts special emphasis on donald trump's assertion that u.s. involvement in nato may need to be scaled back because it's too expensive. listen. >> turning our back on our alliances or turning our alliance into a protection racket would send a dangerous message. if that mr. trump gets his way, it will be like christmas in the kremlin. >> the former secretary of state calling nato one of the best investments the u.s. ever made, and she gave a speech at stanford and part of it was directed to call on silicon
valley. she said both sides had good points but apples' position could make it harder to prevent attacks. >> let's go back to alisyn. >> reporter: once again here in the public square we see the people of brussels this morning going about their business and racing to and from work and of course they are on edge this morning. is this threat of terror the new normal for the people here and across europe? we'll discuss that when we come back. you know we said we'd take a look
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attacks rocks brussels. why has belgium become the epicenter of european extremism. great to have you here with us in brussels. let's talk about belgium. for many people it felt like a problem waiting to happen. we always heard belgium has more jihadis per capita than any other european country? >> we have to realize we are living in a time where there's a global jihadists insurgency. belgium has a unique problem and the problem is that it has become the very epicenter, but it's not new. in 2004 the madrid bombings were inspired from here, belgium and
brussels. it's something very few people pick up on. >> what are they doing wrong here? >> five key things. first, why belgium is important. the strategic location. it's central to europe and you can get to locations quickly and it's easier to buy arms here than elsewhere in europe, and there's a lack of integration and it makes it easy for recruiters to recruit to a new identity. >> i want to stop you there. the lack of integration, we have been hearing about the ghettos in belgium, and immigrants come and not integrated and why haven't authorities figures this out? will this horror change anything about that? >> the first thing is, when migrants go to a new country
they tend to gather together. it's not new to muslims or new to any of the migrants from any other country. we don't see this phenomenon among migrants that could be from india or china and we see them from muslim migrants living in ghettos and it's not the lack of integration itself, but it's creating the new identity in the vacuum created when people have not found something by which they can attach themselves to. >> when they feel aus trau sized they have no purpose and then they are susceptible to the leaders that want to do terrible things. what is the answer for belgium and europe? >> the answer is a short sense to keep the company safe and build resilience long term. it's primary prevention work so before people become
radicalized. >> we heard from people who are immigrants and they feel identified with their country of origin. does belgium need to do something different to reach out and make them feel welcome or is that possible? are the two cultures -- >> we were never identified by our faith. all belgium muscles and european muslims want to be engaged with citizens, as equal citizens the same as everybody else. that's the first thing the belgium authority needs to do, deal with them as belgium citizens. these guys that carried out these attacks were able to live in the ghettos for a number of days without actually anybody telling the authorities they
were there. that's tribalism and that needs to move away and it's a two-way street, both the authorities and the citizens need to do more. >> what can the police do here? what will they change as a result of this week? >> the sad reality, this is not a new phenomenon. my worry and fear is they will look at the phenomenon through legislation. the first question is what can they do? the answer is very little. putting troops to the streets of belgium won't fix of problem? >> why doesn't that scare away extremists? >> you can't kill or ban an ideology. if we want to win the struggle long term, we have to tackle the ideology head on, and the political cause using the faith i believe in islam -- >> how do you break that
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racially profiling predominantly muslim neighborhoods and it's wrong and counter productive and dangerous. >> i just left a country that engaged in that kind of neighborhood surveillance, which, by the way, the father of senator cruz escaped for america, the land of the free. >> we are joined by cnn political commentator, peter pwaoeupber, and "time" magazine political reporter, mr. miller. donald trump for his part not ruling out using nuclear weapons against terrorists right now so you see the proposals from the republican candidates and saw the reaction from the democratic candidates, and this is what ted cruz said about his idea about monitoring muslim neighborhoods. >> you know, it has been interesting in the last 24 hours
when i called for pro active policing, directed at radical islamic terrorism, the reaction from democrats, mayor de blasio held a press conference blasting me and attacking me and it's a concern where they are more about political correctness than keeping us safe and that's why people are so fed up. >> talk to me about the politics of what ted cruz and donald trump are doing here. >> let's remember every single state that voted the exit polls show a majority of the american voters support trump's proposal from banning muslims, and it's the reality and shocking. this kind of thing is popular. the irony is that he makes america more like belgium. what we know about belgium is one of the reasons belgium is not safe is because muslims in
belgium feel stigmatized and don't feel like full citizens. we have done a much better job in the united states of making muslims accepted here and why would we want to do things that make us more like belgium. >> it's not often you see people from both sides using that opportunity, and we have a new poll out this morning that shows hillary clinton leads donald trump among all character -- not character issues but issue-based issues, better commander in chief, leading 55% to 36%. and perhaps that gives you a sign of why she is taking this head on. >> yeah, and we are still in the primary phase, and hillary clinton feels secure in her own race and laying out the contrast. if you look at the two leading
candidates on the republican side are trying to one-up themselves on trying to be tough on terrorism, and donald trump not ruling out using nuclear weapons, and you can set that aside, and the -- you are seeing the wide range of republican viewpoints represented only by those two, which are fairly similar. if you look at it, the lindsay grahams that come behind ted cruz as a last ditch effort to stop donald trump, they probably have more in common with hillary clinton's speech yesterday than with ted cruz's comments and that's an indication where hillary clinton sees the opportunity this fall. >> they may be positioning themselves a little bit versus president obama right now. we have video of what president obama was doing last night in the wake of brussels. you can see him right here dancing the tango, and he didn't
dance badly, but one is of optics and he went to a baseball in cuba and dancing the tango last night and i am sure he would defend these actions, too. >> he will get slammed -- >> he is getting slammed. >> it's an easy attack for republicans. what do they want barack obama to do differently? >> they said he should come back to the united states, and he should at least not go to the baseball game in cuba. >> they didn't want him to go to cuba because they didn't like the opening to cuba. what was he going to do differently once he came to the united states? the united states has been under his presidency, the scale of terror attacks has been fairly small compared to europe and 9/11 under his predecessors, and these are easy shots for a primary elective that don't like president obama. >> i want to end on the latest wife tweets from donald trump
and ted cruz. donald trump retweeted something on his twitter feed last night about his wife and heidi cruz said no need to spill the beans, and a lot thought it was classless. one of those was ted cruz. how much longer is this going to go on? >> what is shocking about this cycle is what used to be pushing the bounds of public discourse and calling somebody a liar in politics used to be something that would spark a two-day argument of whether it's appropriate to call somebody that, and now attacking spouses, and that's something in the campaign, and this is something that has not hurt him yet and may not hurt him going forward, and it's something that should
start a conversation in all of us, why is this okay to set aside? let's go back to alisyn in brussels. >> since the terror attacks in november in paris, the eyes of the world have been focused on a small neighborhood of brussels and it has become a hotbed of extremism. when "new day" returns we take you insithere. attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in rochester, with world-class botox. and in buffalo, where medicine meets the future. let us help grow your company's tomorrow - today - at business.ny.gov
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government officials as a dangerous extremist neighborhood where police have lost control. we wanted to see and understand molenbeek ourselves and we ventured into the hotbed of extremism. this is not what we expected when werrived in molenbeek, children playing. >> theater activity. we write music. we play music with the young. >> he is a social worker here, originally from the congo. he knows well the challenges of trying to fit in to belgian culture. >> most of these kids were born here in belgium. they were born in belgium so they are belgium out right, but they feel it hard to feel belgium because the native
belgium don't see them as native. >> it came as a shock to everyone to learn that two of the suspected terrorists spent time here as children. salah abdeslam, he was europe's most wanted man until friday, and his accomplice is still on the loose. >> i don't know what went through his head when he did it, but you can't really put a connection to his acts and this. >> today the center's leaders try to reconcile how the quiet and well-behaved boys could turn into cold-blooded killers. >> they push each other to do bad things and instead of pushing each other to be on top of the class they encourage each other to do foolish things. >> he sees the challenges ahead in a neighborhood with 40% youth
unemployment. >> i think it's going to be harder to get a job if they know you are from here. >> the people we met in molenbeek do not want the link to terrorism to define them and they pray these children will have brighter futures. >> translator: i hope in the coming days we try to think about what happened, what is happening to us, this reality, and trying to think about all of this and tell ourselves that we can't go lower but we can only go forward to something positive, by going from misfortune to something happier. >> joining me now, dr.iedith flapper. she was in brussels for an anti-extremism discussion with mothers during the attacks. before we get to what you were doing in brussels, i want you to
comment on what you just watched in molenbeek because you have been talking to the young people of brussels, and what you have found between young people and their futures and how they turn to radical ideology? >> we have been talking to youngsters across the globe now who are desperately defying the labels placed upon them, and here in belgium over in brussels over the last few days where i had discussions with youngsters, and 68 from syria -- >> they are going to be trained. >> yes, we met them because we were interested what would make them not go? these are our allies now, and we have to go there and they are the front lines. >> is there a way to sum up why some went and some didn't? the ones that didn't go and are resilient, what did they tell you? >> they told us they cling on to
the label, the hope that they are accepted to belgiu belgians. they need our aport. >> we heard that same thing, they don't feel as though they are true belgians, that they feel like outsiders. >> we do need to go there where the violent insecurities starts, and that's where the violent extremism starts, and we are rocking that. >> you are working with mothers trying to stop extremism ironically and you were working here with the mothers during the day of the attacks. what was your experience on the day of the attacks? >> we went to the school models.
>> you have mothers that try to talk to their children and stop whatever indoctrination is happening? >> yeah, they are eager to talk to them but don't know how to talk to them. it's not easy to talk to adolescence in a normal scene, so they need the confidence and competence that they have the skills to address the delicate issues of the warning signs and not spotting them but also addressing them in a competent way. it's a continuous emergence of small signs, but very often, also the women's are brushed away, this is about politics and religion and we don't touch upon religion, and this is the search of meaning and this is a call for action. we are now also at the front lines. it's the day after, and we have
to not only stand together but act together and support the mothers and if we support these mothers in a broader sense, we support all of us. >> mothers are truly on the front lines. but back to you. where were you when the explosions went off? >> we were checking out at the entrance of the subway station. >> what did you feel and see? >> we felt something was terrible, and we heard the noise and the air was filled all of a sudden with smoke and people flooded into the lobby, but we felt we should not be there at this moment. >> so terrible. there you were in brussels trying to fight extreme and almost -- >> we were meeting with the mothers who had training for months and now we are standing there to talk about their
experiences, and the change they are making in their families, and particularly the change in the dynamics in the family, because the mothers don't only reach the children but the fathers, and it's their heart and they are bound in this shield and we have to break through it so they can stand up and say, boy, girl, there is something not quite right and this has to stop, and we reached the peers, the siblings, which is important. this is the mother schools against extremism, and i think it's sharper than any weapon we need the world and not the weapons and we need to have the focus on the support of civil society and all the resources should be streamlined. >> and the mothers are the conduit to everyone. >> we can see that from pakistan to indonesia, and we work in all
of these countries and we are still piloting it, but we need the biggest support to scale it up. >> thank you for your work. it was great to talk to you. back at home, defense secretary, ash carter, thinks it's time for u.s. allies in europe to step up the fight against terrorism. listen. >> as we have been accelerating our campaign to defeat ice annual and syria and iraq and elsewhere, they need to accelerate their efforts and join us. >> so what does the u.s. military chief think about torture and torturing terror suspects? our carol costello speaks with ash carter about that next on "new day." create opportunity, and weave messages that lead to sales. these are the hands of pitney bowes, the craftsmen of commerce. these are the hands,
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secretary of defense, ash carter. >> he talked about how our military must change and become stronger in different ways and he talked about opening combat roles to women and talked about fighting isis. i sat down with ash carter for 20 minutes after his speech with students and the thing that surprised me, limichaela, and h said they have to intensify their efforts in fighting isis but they have to help the united states in the field of battle in iraq and syria, wherever isis lives. not necessarily militarily, but -- well, listen for yourself. >> it's not enough that we defeat them in iraq and syria. what brussels tells us is they
have sympathizers, people who are belgians or french who live there already and therefore an important part of the fight is also going to be homeland security and intelligence and a law enforcement fight. that's not what the department of defense does, but that's important as well. the other thing i think that the brussels event is going to further signify to europeans is that they, as we have been accelerating our campaign to defeat isil in syria and iraq and elsewhere, they need to accelerate their efforts and join us. >> some suggests that we should revisit the subject of torture to get information faster. is that a good idea? >> all of our military and intelligence leaders have spoken on this and we in the department of defense follow the army field manual and it does not allow
torture and america conducts itself in accordance -- >> does torture work? >> the experts there who have laid down our policy in that area have agreed for both effectiveness reasons and for reasons of reflecting our own values that we're not going to do that sort of thing. >> i want to go back to what he was talking about the european nations considering our breaking news and what we are watching happening in belgium and the criticism of how authorities have dealt or not dealt with the terrorism threat there. he talks about the need for european nations to accelerate their counterterrorism efforts. what does he mean? we can't put an american perspective on it? they are dealing with a different reality, the proximity and the threat and the homegrowness of it? >> you have to keep in mind the people carrying out terror attacks in europe, many of them go to syria and iraq and they get direct orders from the
commanders in the field, so to speak, from isis, right? europe needs to help the united states, for example, rebuild cities, right? because once iraqi forces, for example, take control of a city from isis, it's totally destroyed. they need an infrastructure to keep hold of that city. somebody needs to go in and rebuild it, and that takes money and it takes manpower and ash carter suggests maybe europe should concentrate on that. help us keep those cities in the hands of the proper people, and that would be the iraqis or the syrians or whoever, just not isis. >> really quickly. we talk about the threat and obviously given the threat in brussels, u.s. officials wary and watchful of what is going on here. did he talk about the threat that faces the u.s. and the threat that faces europe? >> it's different because there are cells in europe and as far
as we know there are no cells working in the united states and it's lone wolfs and that's what we need to concentrate o. and he said we all have to join together to fight isis collectively, and no single entity can do it alone. >> it's a great conversation, and thank you for bringing it to us. >> anytime. we are following a whole lot of news, a frantic manhunt under way for those suspected in the brussels terror attacks. we're going to get right to it. a second man, suspected of taking part in the metro station bombing. >> the scope of the extremist network more sophisticated than ever imagined. >> his dna found on two of the suicide belts. >> we have to change our law on the border boarding thing. >> it's wrong and counter productive and dangerous.
>> i'm never going to rule anything out. >> donald doesn't know what to do to deal with isis. >> we don't know if my niece and her husband had been able to get out of the airport. >> it's horrible beyond imagination. >> i guess i didn't know how much one person can love another until you just don't know where they are at. >> this is cnn breaking news. good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." i am alisyn camerota coming to you live from brussels. michaela and john berman are in new york this morning. sources telling cnn a second man suspected of taking part in the metro station attacks. the manhunt here now expanding to two unidentified terror suspects. the second man being sought is
this man. he's believed to have left behind the heavier suitcase bomb at the airport. also the attorney for the captured paris terrorists, salah abdeslam, says he is no longer cooperating with the authorities and wants to be extradited to france and investigators are scrambling to piece together the clues to prevent more attacks. there's new devastating video that emerged of the moments after the blasts inside the airport, and we have this story covered only the way cnn can and we want to begin with our senior correspondent, and authorities are looking for two men. >> at least. yes, two men were able to avoid capture at the site of the attacks. one man we have seen the still image of at the airport and the second man who authorities believe could still be alive. the surveillance images they picked up outside the metro, and i want to remind you and the
viewers of the threads of this investigation because it's getting very complicated. i want to remind our viewers of the horror unfolded, and some of this is going to be difficult to watch. two days after the deadly coordinated attacks in brussels, investigators scrambling to piece together the clues on who the terrorists were and whether they have other accomplices. identifying two of the three suspects before the bombs went off. on the left, najim laachraoui, and police say he is a bombmaker whose dna was found in the home where the bombs for the paris attacks were made, and next to him, el bakraoibrahim el bakrao second suicide bomber. he had a criminal record but couldn't determine any links to terrorism.
the third man still unidentified and now the most wanted man in all of europe. investigators say he dropped off a suitcase full of explosives near the check-encounter and fled. an hour later, a metro station near several european union facilities also rocked by terror. investigators learned el bakraoui's brother detonated the car of the train during rush hour. belgian authorities say until now these belgian-born brothers had been linked to violent crime, not terror. one was arrested for carjacking in 2009 and sentenced to five years if prison, and the other was sent to prison for a shooting in 2010. this as we are getting another
look at the horror that unfolded inside the brussels airport moments after the blast. a taxi driver capturing this chilling video, filming as he runs into the departure halls to find his son who worked at the airport cafe, and thankfully he survived. he stumbles over debris, bodies buried underneath the rubble. a baby cries in the middle of it all, alone, her mother lays unmoving. here, a single rose lay crushed, possibly a welcoming gift for an arriving passenger, now symbol of lives lost in this tragic terror attack. outside bystanders coming to the aid of the injured waiting for
medical assistance, and those who are able comfort the wounded, though many inside did not survive. what is prolonging the agony here, alisyn, authorities are still grabbling with the process of identifying the victims, so for so many families they are dealing still with the unknown 48 hours later. >> we will speak to one of those young women in a moment. thank you very much for all of that. the sound of sirens still blaring across brussels and investigators conducting raid after raid and widening the search for these two suspects connected to the bombings and their accomplices. fred is live in the schaerbeek neighborhood with more. >> reporter: we're in the neighborhood where a lot of raids have been going on over the past couple days, and when you stand where i am standing right now which is where the police uncovered the bomb-making
factory for the bombs used in the attacks on the airport and you see police vehicles with sirens that go past here frequently, and certainly we have heard that there have been raids conducted not in just this neighborhood but in many other neighborhoods in brussels as well, as you were just pointing out, there could be people connected to the attack at large and very dangerous. this place right here was the vocal point of the investigation for many reasons, this is where they found a lot of bomb-making material and what could have gone off as well, and in this apartment alone they found 30 pounds of the explosive tatp, which is homemade but very deadly and quite difficult to make and they believe the people that detonated the bombs at the brussels airport, and took suit
cases with them and conducted the attacks there, and what police found outside of the building was a laptop that appeared to contain what was described as the final will of one of the attackers and it said he needed to act quickly because he was going to be caught, and he was connected to salah abdeslam, and with the cell that conducted the attacks here in brussels. >> fred, thank you for all of the developments from there. we will check back in with you shortly. meanwhile, one of the two brothers that bombed the brussels airport was deported last year by turkey and government officials there said they warned belgium authorities about him. how did he slip through the cracks? arwa damon is live in turkey on
the expanding trails and clues. arwa, what you have learned? >> reporter: well, alisyn, he was detained where we are here very close to the syrian border, a known hub for many of the isis networks where they collect their fighters and an area that many people do transit. according to the turks, he was put under surveillance. we don't know exactly why. he was not on any sort of list back in mid july. they informed the belgian authorities because they believed he was trying to cross into syria to join isis as a foreign fighter. they said that after a few days the belgians informed them while he had criminal ties they could not say he had ties to terrorism and he was deported back to the european union and released and
that intelligence turkey provided, potentially life-saving intelligence was not followed up on. what is especially frustrating for the turks and something europe and turkey is going to have to address right now, believe it or not, this is not the first time turkey provided key intelligence on individuals that has not been followed up on by respective european nations that has resulted in violence, and it's to include one of the attackers that took place in paris. turkey's president saying they need to consider turkey a broader ally when it comes to the battle against terrorism, and saying europe cannot do this without greater cooperation with turkey at this stage, alisyn. >> yes, arwa, so frustrating to know there might have been a clue and so senseless. we want to go to michaela in new
york. >> several americans remain missing this morning two days after the terror attacks in brussels. an american couple living in belgium may not have survived the airport bombings and their families here in the u.s. are not the only ones waiting about the definitive word about the fate of their loved ones. >> it's horrible beyond imagination. >> family members and friends of the missing in the brussels terror attacks still holding on to hope that their loved ones will be found. a brother and sister were on the phone with their mother while checking in their fight at jfk. >> the phone sounded like it went underwater and then it went dead. >> and its been the worst days of my life. i just -- i guess i didn't know
how much one person can love another until -- until you just don't know where they are at. >> andre adam also at the airport, and he was with his wife daniel waiting for a flight to miami, and danielle was found injured but her husband still missing. each ring makes us hope for information. this missing couple from tennessee, stephanie and justin schultz were walking back from the security gate dropping off stephanie's mother when the bombs went off, and on wednesday there was hope they had been found and his brother was contacted by the state department and told they were on the injured list and later a belgium official called and said that was incorrect, and the brother tweeted he was disgusted by the mistake and tweeted to keep praying they are found
alive. >> you just heard emily talk about her boyfriend, bart. she joins us live from georgia. emily, thank you so much for being here. when is the last time you spoke to bart or got a message from him? >> it was march 22nd, around 1:00 in the morning, right before his flight. >> what did it say? >> well, i had two contacts with him. there was a phone call, and it was just -- he was telling me he was on his way to catch a train to go to the airport and that he was going to let me know once he got on the train and once he arrived to the airport. so i did get the message that he arrived on the train, but that was the last i have heard of him. i never heard that he made it to
the airport and, yeah, i have not heard of him since then. >> you estimated he arrived at the airport at about 7:30 or would have arrived there and that, of course, was right before the bombing. he was coming to the airport to come to visit you in the states. i know that bart's parents have now come to brussels, or maybe they were already here and they are looking for him. can you tell us what they have found or what they are trying to do? >> yes, bart's parents are in the military hospital. they spent the entire day there yesterday just standing by and waiting on the smallest information they could get of bart. there's still no information to be found. his name has not been listed on any injured list or fatality list. his body has not been identified and their family is just waiting
in hope. >> what information have the belgian authorities be able to give you and his family? >> not too much. they did -- a policeman went to their family's house and took a dna sample of bart and has been trying to work with that as much as they can, but so far they have not found any evidence of him, and that's all that they know so far. between now and just waiting at the hospital, listening to the most current and updated action of who is being found or the most updated lists, other than that there has not been any other information. >> we know that some people are reportedly in comas, and i know you and his parents are probably
hoping he is unconscience and that is why he has not been able to communicate. emily, i am wondering, you are 21 years old, and how are you processing these last few days and everything that has happened since monday? >> yes, this whole process has been very, very hard on me and my family and bart's family. it just -- it seems so unreal that i am actually experiencing this. you hear these things on the news and you never think it's going to happen to you, until it does, and then it is just a whole other life and this is what my life has been just for the last two to three days, it has been absolutely devastating. it has been -- my mind wanders into dark places and then i just see a glimpse of hope, and i
just hold on to the relationship i have with jesus and knowing that bart, he is very strong in his faith as well with jesus, and i just keep looking to that, and that is just -- that's the most comfort that i have been receiving. >> what can you tell us about bart? what do you want to share with everybody watching and listening? >> bart is -- he's a very godly man. he will do anything for anybody else. i wouldn't be surprised if he was harmed because he was trying to save somebody else in this event. he is a strong godly warrior. i think that is just who --
that's the title he would want everybody to know him by, is that he loves jesus with all of his heart and that he -- wherever he is, he is completely safe because he is in god's hands and i am sure he doesn't want me to worry, and he doesn't want our families to worry. yeah, he just is very, very strong. very strong physically and mentally, and that gives me a lot of comfort as well, but still not knowing is very, very hard. >> well, he sounds very special, emily, and you and bart are in our prayers and our thoughts this morning. we will check back with you and we are hoping for good news. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. let's get back to john and
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greg matthew is the president of the foundation for democracy and a government and a former belgian government official, and it's great to have both of you here to give us a context of what we are seeing in brussels and everything that we have been talking about. greg, i want to start with you. yesterday you told us about the town of molenbeek, considered the hotbed of extremism. you said you go there every week and never met an extremist and it's a nice play. we didn't believe you and we went ourselves. we saw what molenbeek is about. they were the warmest, friendliest most welcoming people that we have met and they talked to us and they were happy we were there, however, we know there are extremists, and there are radicals and there are terrorists that are from there. how do you explain what is happening in molenbeek? >> i am not hiding that there are terrorists there, and they
are everywhere, and this is the world we have to live with today. we cannot locate them in one specific place, close the place and that's it. they won't disappear into next week. >> it's always confusing when you hear there are two terrorists on the run, two fugitives. no, there are actually hundreds of people here who are radicalized and may want to do harm. it's not just two. do we have a sense of how big the terror cell or many terror cells are here in the brussels and belgium area? >> we can't define it that tightly but we are quite certain more than 500 belgiugians left go to syria to be trained. there's not the legal structure for that, and a significant number are going to be involved in planning further attacks or further illegal activity. >> let's talk about the legal
structure. something has gone wrong clearly in belgium since there was a terror attack, something went wrong. what is lacking in the legal structure here to get to the bottom of the terror cells? >> what is certainly miss something some more flexibility to conduct surveillance or searches of people who are suspected of imminent attack or serious activities, and when you can't access a person's home after 9:00 a.m. or before 5:00 p.m. -- >> hold on. police here cannot go into a suspect's home after 9:00 p.m. or before 5:00 a.m.? >> well, the law was designed to protect the privacy of the family and it has not been updated and that is one of the reasons it was difficult for the police to crackdown during the lockdown, and they didn't have the ability to get into the
places they needed to, where the people were hiding. >> you were in government. what is that about? >> you know, when you need to put the screwutiny on one individual, you need 10 people. we have 700 people working in the state security and it's not enough. >> is it a situation of resources or a situation of ideology where in belgium there's a hands off privacy of the individual is more important than the terror investigation? >> it's both. we have a lack of investment in the security structure and we are a bit too kind somehow. when people are attacking us with guns, we cannot react with stones and wooden sticks. >> do you think after what happened here on monday, something changes in the belgian government? >> changes, yes, but there was a group of people in the government, and there's a
package of votes waiting to be voted on in the parliament. >> here we are get into a real cultural difficulty. if you look at what happened since november here, in other political cultures or environments, you might have seen heads roll, not literally, metaphor metaphorically, and the prime minister would have said you have not done what you needed to do, you are out. you don't have that culture here in belgium. what we have come to at this point where we are seeing hundreds dead and injured, and that's somehow the price that you are deciding you will prioritize the in principle values or thoughts about what that is, and there's a consequence sometimes and that's what we are seeing in the attacks and there will have to be a new settlement and we are not seeing an urgency from the belgium government there. you don't fix it with a band-aid or raid and you need a long-term
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payments to nato. here this morning, cnn political commentator and trump supporter, and a hillary supporter. maybe the u.s. should reduce its payments to nato and donald trump wouldn't rule out the possibility of using nuclear weapons to battle the terrorists. listen to what he said? >> you would rule in the possibility of using nuclear weapons against isis? >> i wouldn't rule anything out. i wouldn't want to tell you that, because at a minimum, i want them to think maybe we would use it. >> how do you use nuclear weapons against terrorists? >> you use them as a deterrent. what he said there at the end is telling, where he said at a minimum he wouldn't want isis to
think we wouldn't use them. the idea that yes, the united states in some circumstances could use a nuclear bomb, but we don't know what is coming down the road, and that's the whole point of nuclear weapons, yeah, it's there and could be used but that's why you don't attack the u.s. with a rogue nuclear bomb. >> at the same time he is talking about reducing the u.s. contribution to nato. is the timing on that suspect, caylee? >> i don't think so. secretary of defense, robert gates pointed out, and this is an excellent point, we support the budget. essentially you see europe taking down the amount they are spending personally on defense while the united states is disproportionately funding a security mechanism for europe, and it's important we need to reassess how we contribute to
this organization. >> hillary clinton sees an opportunity and gave a speech at stanford talking about foreign policy and looking at the new poll numbers which compare her to donald trump on some of the issues. let me show you some of the issues right now. commander in chief, 55% say they prefer hillary clinton and then the stronger leader, it's tied, 45% to 45%. >> i think hillary clinton has proven herself this week to be the grown up in the room. you have donald trump talking about nuclear weapons and reducing funds to nato, an alliance that never has been more important when we are looking at the crisis in europe right now, so -- you know, when we are looking at real solutions and looking at what experts think, actually, will continue to keep americans safe where hillary clinton is really the only one talking about practical
real things that can get implemented, and donald trump is all over the place. i think it's quite clear to the american people that, you know, he is digging kind of his own grave here in terms of his ignorance. you never want to take something off the table in terms of a strategy, but talking about nuclear weapons just shows the ignorance of the situation right now in the middle east and it's crazy for people to think that those are the alternatives. we have not even talked about, kind of the racism involved in the anti-muslim attacks, so you know, i think that there has been a lot of airtime on this in the last couple of days and having said that, i just think that people see hillary clinton as somebody that knows what she is doing and is ready to be commander in chief. >> one quick question about president obama. president obama in argentina dancing the tango and went to the baseball game in cuba. do you think hillary clinton ought to come out and make a
statement about whether or not the president should have cut his trip short or is dancing the tango in the midst of the terror attacks? >> i will give the president a little leeway and he was forced into this by his argentinian host -- >> do you think that's a bad picture, though, if you are saying he was forced into it? >> yeah, i don't think it's a great picture, but i also don't think a president can afford to just turn over everything that is happening and run home to a place that is not really the site of the terror attacks. he travels with his national security team and has been in touch with the belgian and french presidents, and no doubt he has been in touch and focussed on what has gone on in brussels, and the folks in belgium do not want the president to come to brussels, and that's not helpful and it's
a distraction, but what is helpful is to pledge full support to our american allies, something donald trump and ted cruz are too busy screaming about muslims and racism and are too busy to do. >> thank you. we will speak with two people who survived the carnage at the airport. you will hear their emotional first-hand acts when "new day" returns live from brussels. you're an at&t small business expert? sure am. my staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. at&t can help you stay connected.
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are still trying to figure out how they survived and where they go from here. a photo journalist captured this emotional photograph that has been captured and shown worldwide. thank you both for being here. let me start with you, kate. you took the photograph that has become the image of the proper and aftermath. can you tell us about the scene, these two women that you captured in this photo? what was happening at that moment? >> i captured this moment, this very first photo at 8:03. it was after the second explosion. >> seconds afterward? >> seconds. as my iphone shows it's 8:03,
and my last photo is 8:04, and then they forced us to leave the place. >> how did you have the presence of mind not knowing whether you were hurt to go into journalism mode? >> i realized that everything has finished, so there is no blast anymore, an explosion, and i was looking around and saw everyone on the floor, and the injuries and in blood, and at first what i saw was in woman. yeah. >> this woman, the picture you brought of the two women, with blood and one is on the phone. do you know the status of these women today? what happened to them? >> i know today that her relatives are arriving in
brussels from mumbai, and it was news for me -- >> this woman here, her relatives are arriving? >> today, they are arriving from mumbai, and i read that her brother recognized her sister -- >> from your photo? >> yeah, from my photo. >> i want to show another photo. it's so important. i hope our viewers can see this. you were standing here checking in at the counter. that's number one right here that is circled, and this, the number two that is circled in the photograph, that is a few feet away from you is where the second explosion went off. >> yes, so i was in the middle. >> how are you standing here? how did you survive? >> i don't know. i don't know. we are talking that it's unbelievable that we are alive. >> rocky, i want to talk about what you were doing, you dropped
a friend off and you were in your car when you heard and felt the explosions and you did the unthinkable, instead of driving as fast as you could away, you parked and ran towards the explosions. what were you thinking? >> well, i was really concerned about my friend. i had a great concern i might have to pull him out of the building or drag him out of the building. i couldn't imagine dropping him off and just driving away. i felt like i had to do something in that moment. >> did you find your friend? >> yes, about 12 minutes later, searching through the crowds, i found him. he made it out safely. >> not only did you help your friend, you helped other people. what was the scene like and who were you helping? >> a teacher was covered in car, and she came -- she was coming away from the building but she was, like, saying, i have 50 students, 16-year-old students and i can't find any of them, none of them are with me. she was in a panic.
>> did she find them? >> i haven't been able to find her since, so -- >> 31 people are still missing, you know. >> they believe killed. >> and there are some -- most of them they have not been able to identify. >> yes. >> and we know there are some people in comas that can't respond and they may not know the identity of it. that's why the photograph you took is so important. >> thank you so much. thank you so much. >> rocky, you have been here and working here in brussels as a missionary. >> yes. >> how do you make sense of what you saw on monday? >> this is nonsense. this is really fighting innocent people to further a cause and it's detrimental to their cause and i am calling on the muslim community to really have a voice and speak against this atrocity, because you are murdering innocent people. >> isn't the muslim community here doing that? >> i don't know. i don't hear them loud enough speaking against this.
maybe the imams need to stand up and really speak to their people and say what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong, and this is clearly wrong. if they can say that, then i think there's a working relationship for the community. >> kate, you were trying to leave that day at the airport but now here you are in brussels. what is next for you? >> what i think about since that day, it was the worst day in my life and it has changed a lot for me, and it will be very, very difficult for me to go next time to the airport, you know, and to see the building and the departure hall and everything, but we have to overcome, and we have to leave here and we want to be safe in this city. >> of course, and we all want that. thank you for coming aing and sg
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there is a belgium-wide man hunt under way at this hour. for now two bombing suspects on the run here from brussels. there are concerns also about more attacks across europe the state department, the u.s. state department issuing a warning to americans about traveling to europe. so joining us now is cnn national security commentator mike rodgers. former chairman of the house intelligence committee. mike, thanks so much for being here. i want to start with this warning issued by the u.s. state department this, travel advisory. they warn of near term attacks throughout europe and are warning americans about travel. but what does that mean? should americans not be coming to europe right now? >> well i think you have to -- you have to gauge your electrophile of acceptance of risk when you go to europe today. for the state department alisyn to come out and say they are near term planning event, meaning there is intelligence or
chatter through all of the channels which intelligence services collect information that there is another phase of attacks. i've never seen the state department be that gresz flif a notice. so certainly you have to reconsider it. i think the odds are you are going to be safe to go to europe. clearly there is going to be a lot of pressure put on all of the places and individuals that they have already identified as possible terror suspects. but i will say, i was a little surprised to see the level of aggression in the state department's position that there are likely planned near term events. that to me was a really big departure from what things they would say in the past. >> agreed. that did seem to have a more specific ring to it than we had heard. i also want to ask about something we just heard from two of our terrorism experts. they live here in brussels. and they told us something really remarkable. that in belgium there can be no
raids. police can do no raids from 9:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. it is the law. so the very time in the united states when police do raids, nighttime, where they can surprise people, that is off limits here. how can that be? >> well think about the culture of the laws in europe. and this is what they are suffering now with all the debate between security and privacy and what the government can and can't do alisyn. they are still suffering that world war ii culture. and for good reason. and so the laws are always written to tell you what the government can't do. to keep the government back to. keep the intelligence services or law enforcement back. and that is what that 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. rule is. i think they are discovering that the rules have to be written for their law enforcement, their intelligence services to actually target terrorists and have to freedom to go after them. and that debate has already begun if you saw the debates in the united kingdom about all of
this and what that means for them staying in europe and information sharing. the laws are all over the map across europe. i think depending on where they were in world war ii. that culture that we are going to do have to have a cultural shift for these governments to realize you can still have privacy but you have to allow your intelligence services and law enforcement the ability and give them the tools to legally go after these terrorist groups and identify these cells and try to disrupt their activities. >> right because i am here in brussels. we see scores of police officers and soldiers, fanning out in the streets, checking bags before people get on the subways. yet if their hands are tied in terms of raids, how effective can it be? further more we've also learned this morning from our reporter that the turkish officials tried to share intelligence with the belgium officials but something got lost in the communication.
they tried to warn about one of these brothers who is believed to have blown himself up at the airport. but we don't know if they ignored it or where the disconnect was. what do you make of the lack of successfulness of sharing of intelligence? >> specially in belgium. they have these very different police districts. i think there are nine. some of them don't even speak the same language. they have culturally differences in each of these different districts. they don't share very well. and they have an awful -- i would say bad. but it is awful signals intelligence capability. as a matter of fact belgium relies on the west. on great britain or used to. they rely on united states and other intelligence services to he help them through their signals intelligence. and you start adding up all of those i think substandard for 2016 positions for their
intelligence and law enforcement services, you are going to get gaps just like this. and that is what the rest of europe is concerned about, alisyn. is they don't know where the brussels effort or the belgian effort is going to be on identifying for the rest of europe these terrorist cells. and that is what's so concerning here. because they are not doing well in the information sharing piece. they have very limited signals intelligence. and it is clear that even when they get information from the outside they are not able to process it in a way that allows them to target the individuals in this case, the subway bomber that was provided -- the name was provided to them by turkey. >> mike rogers, thank you for sharing with us all of the challenges that lie ahead for belgian authorities here. nice to talk to you. we'll have much more on the massive man hunt for those two unidentified suspects here connected to the brussels terror attacks. attacks. so let's get right to it.
8:00 in the east. i'm alisyn camerota live in brussels. michaela and john berman are in new york. here we begin with breaking news on the terror attacks. sources telling cnn that a second man is suspected of taking part in that metro station bombing here in brussels. investigators are analyzing surveillance video from the subway station that capture an image of a man with a large bag that. means the man hunt now extending to do unidentified terror suspects on the run. the second fugitive is this unidentified man. you have probably seen this photo but here it is again. this is the man suspected of leaving the heaviest suitcase bomb behind at the airport. the hat, the glasses in light colored jacket. investigators are scrambling to piece together all of these clues in hopes of preventing more attacks. also this morning the attorney for the captured terrorist abdeslam has now announcements
he's no longer cooperating with authorities and also that he wants to be extradited from here to france. so all of this as we see chilling new images of the moments after the blast inside the airport. we have this story covered the way only cnn can for you. so let's begin the cnn senior international correspondent nima elbagir. two fugitives that we know of. >> that we know of. that is the key there. and we're also hearing that although they have now linked a second man to the metro station. the man he was speaking about on the surveillance footage, they still haven't established if he's dead or alive. but a lot of emergent threads in this investigation. so i just want to remind everyone of where we are and also of the horrifying events that unfolded yesterday. some of this imagery is going to be very difficult to watch. >> just two days after the deadly coordinated attacks on
brussels, investigators are scrambling to piece together the trail of clues who the terrorists were and whether they have other accomplices. they identified two out of three three suspects caught on airport surveillance camera before two bombs went off. on the left najim laachraoui, prosecutors say he's a bomb maker who's dna was found in the home where the paris device were made. the man next is him o ibrahim el bakrao bakraoui. turkish officials say he had a criminal record but couldn't determine any links to terrorism. the third man still unidentified and now the most wanted man in all of europe. investigators say he dropped off a suitcase for of and fled.
an hour later, a metro station also rocked by terror. investigators have learned that bakraoui's brother detonated the bomb in the second car of a crowded train at rush hour. before the attacks --. belgian authorities say that until now these belgian born brothers had been linked to violent crime not terror. khalid was arrested in 2009 for carjacking and sentenced to five years in prison. and brahim was sentenced to nine years after shooting at police during a robbery in 2010. this as we're get another look at the horror that unfolded inside the brussels airport moments after the blast. a taxi driver capturing this chilling video, filming as he
runs into the departure halls to find his son who worked at the airport cafe. thankfully he survived. e he stumbles over debris. bodies buried underneath the rubble. a baby cries in the middle of it all. alone. her mothers lays unmoving. here a single rose lay crushed. possibly a welcoming gift for an arriving passenger. now a symbol of lives lost in this tragic terror attack. outside bystanders coming to the aid of the injured waiting for medical assistance. those who are able comfort the wounded, though many inside did not survive. >> you are speaking earlier about the emerging intelligence gaps we started seeing.
we know from local media they are reporting there is going to be a cabinet meeting specifically speaking about why they didn't get that mental in turkey. why that message wasn't disseminated far enough. >> we'll look forward to hearing what culpable mental staollins . police sirens can be heard punctuating the streets here in brussels. and it is hard to know if it is just regular business or if it is because of the raids and the man hunt under way. cnn's international correspondent fred pleitgen has more. >> hi alisyn. and in some cases it certainly is raids that have been conducted here in various parts of brussels throughout the better part of the day. if you stand here on the streets you can hear police cars with sirens going by throughout many parts of the time that you are here. we actually just went out to check up a possible raid just a couple of minutes ago in the excel area. when we got there the police
said their operation had already concluded and of course we know they are potentially still searching for several people connected to the plots, both in brussels as well as the metro station and also possibly linked to the paris tax as well. in the initial stages the main focal point is here in schaerbeek. and this was the place that was really the main bomb-making factory for the people who attacked the airport. they took a taxi from here. they made the bombs here. police later discovered some 15 kilos, which is a little more than 30 pounds of tatp explosive. which is very very high powered explosive. homemade. made out of things you can regularly buy but it does take a lot of expertise to make it. they also discovered screws and a an isis flag as well. they also discovered a laptop. and that laptop i want to show where they actually found it. inside that trash can you see right there. the police believe one of the bombers may have dumped it in a
trash can before taking the taxi to the airport. and on that laptop they found what they believe was something like the last will of one of the bombers, where he said that he believed that the authorities were on to them. that the authorities were coming closer and they believed they needed to act quickly otherwise they would be arrested. speculating so much about whether the arrest of abdeslam was something that accelerated the plot that happened at the metro and the airport and certainly there could be an indication if one reads that into to it. >> right, fred. it sounds like they wanted that laptop to be found if they discarded it right there in that trash can and for that message to get out. thank you for those developments. well members of the u.s. joint terrorism task are now helping belgian authorities with the brussels bombing investigation. so let's get to cnn's justice reporter evan perez live in washington with new details.
>> alisyn, u.s. officials are seeing e energying signs that isis leaders in syria had at least a hand in directing the team that pulled off the attacks in brussels. there is still a lot of investigation to be done. there is no hard evidence of a direct line to isis external operations in syria. whether we're talking about is more of a dotted line connection. the broader network behind this attack and the one in paris shows a much more sophisticated planning operation than western intelligence agencies thought isis was capable of. a year ago intelligence agencies here in the united states had broad disagreement as to whether or not isis had external operations capabilities. that the group was perhaps more focussed on taking territory and building its caliphate in syria and iraq. what they didn't know at the time was that isis was already sending trained bombers to europe. and certainly the paris attacks put those questions to rest. isis appears to have loose
control over these attacks. the bombers have some autonomy over where and when they attack. right now investigators in europe are trying to figure out the money and the support systems for these attacks. and where isis is looking to strike next. alisyn. >> okay. evan. thank you very much for that update. we want to bring back in now nima elbagir and bring in our cnn senior international correspondent clarissa ward and paul cruickshank. paul, about this ongoing man hunt, are authorities just not sharing with us the names of these people and all they know? or do they not know who these intercepts are still? >> well that is not exactly clear at this point. but they are not sharing everything. they want to keep one step ahead of the bad guys. and sometimes that involves not
sharing information with the media. but this is a race against time to prevent another terrorist attack in brussels in belgium. in we know anything about this cell, and this is the very same cell that carried out the paris attack, they don't stop until they either get killed in an operation or they get arrested: there is a very determined cell. i think the revolution today that there is another suspect with a large bag, who was seen with the metro bomber just before that bombing is alarming news because we know that a lot of these bags were filled with high explosive, tatp. so the if there are more bombs out there more individuals willing to become suicide bombers out there, it is a race
against time to prevent another attack in brussels. remember with the paris attacks in november there was going to be a second wave attack there where they were planning a attack on a shopping district in paris with the world's media all in paris to witness that. i think there is a real concern that we could see something like that play out on the streets of brussels in the hours ahead. >> heaven forbid. but of course this raises the question about intelligence and intelligence sharing. we heard from arwa damon in turkey that the turkish authorities tried to alert the belgian authorities to one of the brothers. they knew his name and he might have bad intentions. yet something fell through the cracks. >> i think we're seeing a lot of things falling through the cracks here. and really i think you are hearing more and more people talk essentially about the disfunctionality of the belgian intelligence gathering system here. talking to someone explaining
that in brussels alone you have six police district, 19 different mayors. two official languages. a complete lack of arabic speaking policemen operating in largely immigrant muslim communities. so it is clear. and earlier you just heard mike rogers talking about how awful signal intelligence systems are here. clearly belgian authorities should have known this brother had been deported from turkey to the netherlands. if he was arrested in turkey there is a very large chance, especially given where he was that he was inside syria. and yet somehow that information wasn't shared. so there are a lot of questions here about intelligence failures and the disfunctionality of the system. >> there has to be a lot of soul searching among authorities today. not only does it sound like there is a cultural problem with intelligence. there is a logistical problem. you were saying there is a meeting about this very thing today. >> there is. a security meeting. but you have to remember this is a kounsry that is so
disfunctional it went 500 days without an elected prime minister. they have enough divisions between the north and south. then you add the lay yers of the north african migrate population coming in. which you have to stress are third generation. so this is a belgian problem. it isn't something imported from abroad but it comes down to a lack of intelligence. >> police do go into the neighborhood. it is not a no-go zone as some people have referred to it. but then people are very reluctant because they are scared or they just don't want to share information with the police. so they haven't done enough community outreach to get the information even when they go into the neighborhood. >> or when they have shared this information. we spoke to smother mothers. one mother two weeks before her son left to syria went to the police and said my son is leaving. they did nothing. the mablg strait put him on a watch list.
the authorities told her he's over 18. >> i want to ask what about we've learned about brothers. once again we see two brothers connected in this terror plot somehow. we've seen it before. we saw it in boston. there were two brothers with the marathon bombing and on and on. what is it about that dynamic of brothers that makes this easier? >> well if you are keeping it in the family, you have perfect operational security. we saw that with the san bernardino attack. they weren't brothers obviously but man and wife. in that case and that attack in california in december. so you have very good operational security. if you can keep it in the family. and obviously siblings influence one another. and so if you have an older brother, they can persuade a younger brother to get involved in this. a lot of younger brothers hero worship their older brother. so we see several cases of
brothers being involved in these attacks whether it is the "charlie hebdo" attacks the boston bombings. many more examples beside keeping jihad in the family. there was one case where there were actually nine brothers in a family in beirut getting involved in jihad. so just two brothers is not unusual. >> isn't that interesting? >> i think it also speaks alisyn to the way means of radicalization and recruitment have changed. you know back in the 90s when al qaeda was the kick of the castle. you were looking at recruitment in mosques. jihad was an abstract con sesmt it was men in flowing robes speaking arabic in caves in afghanistan. now recruitment is happening online. they call it bedroom jihad. because often parents don't know. families don't know.
you grow in --. it is a completely different method of recruitment. and it is much scarier because it spreads like wild fire through these small communities of families and friend groups. >> so many people have suggests and they have the solutions and the answers. deal with the moms, get the moms to talk to the police. get the police to do it. yet somehow they are not able to quite put it into action, yet. thank you very much for both being here. we value your expertise and we'll look forward to developments as you get them. let's in the meantime go back to john and michaela in new york for more news. >> well we want too talk about the human toll of that brussels attack. still no word about the fate of several americans missing in brussels still. family members here in the u.s. are desperate for word about their loved ones. >> it is horrible beyond imagination. >> family members and friends of the missing in the brussels terror attacks still holding on to hope that their loved ones
will be found. alexand alexander pinczowski and his sister was. >> the phone sounded like it was underwater and then went dead. >> waited for a text message, she decided to call, no one answered. >> it's been the worst days of my life. i just -- i guess i didn't know how much one person can love another. until you just don't know where they are at. >> andre adam also at the airport. he was with his wife daniele waiting for a flight to miami. daniele was found injured, but her husband is still missing. their daughter's angst captured in this facebook post. each ring makes us hope for information. this missing couple from tennessee were walking back from
the security gate after dropping off stephanie's mother when the bombs went off. on wednesday there was hope the couple had been found. justin's brother said his family was contacted by the state department and told the couple was on the injured list. but later a belgian social worker called his mother saying that information was incorrect. the brother tweeting he was disgusted by the mistake and to keep playing as their family hopes they are found alive. >> a press frifr the prosecutor's office says a as of this morning none of the dead have been identified with certainty. it is particularly problematic john to identify those remains. >> so hard. so hard for the families here. breaking overnight we have other news watching right now. two major efforts to retake cities from isis in iraq. the military there claims it is beginning operations to retake mosul, iraq's second largest city. isis has controlled mosul for two years. and in syria, national forces are enter the city of pal mira
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with the reported link between brussels and paris intelligence officials are trying to figure out the size of this terror ring and how to stop more attacks. there is also concern about intelligence sharing between two countries or the lack of it. we now know the el bakraoui brother, the two behind monday's attacks were on the radar of belgian authorities. let's bring in patrick klugman, deputy mayor of paris. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> were you surprised to learn of the connection between the attacks in november in paris and the attacks monday during brussels? >> well of course i wasn't surprised at all. because we all knew that he was the most wanted person in the
world. and fleeing from brussels and bhg belgian himself. >> as we've learned the pairs attacks from november were plotted and planned here in brussels. in particular in that neighbor of molembeek. are you confident that the belgian authorities are doing or were doing all they could in terms of intelligence and in terms of infiltrating those terror cells? because clearly something failed here. >> of course. authorities are doing the best they can do. buttal we in europe we are facing the most unusual, the most unconventional, the most -- since war exists. we are facing our own citizens, and we are learning by each attack, by each terrorist hit more about what we are facing. of course -- are doing their
best. of course we are sharing intelligence. of course we are cooperating on the judicial ground but it is not enough for sure. but it is not a matter of lack of will or determination. it is just as we have to get to know what is the war we are facing now. >> of course the belgian authorities are doing the best they can as are the parisian authorities. however something's gone wrong. and what we've learned is that there is something wrong with the assimilation and the embr e embracing of these cultures into france or in belgium. and these communities, for instance, in molembeek feel ostracized and police feel as they can't make inroads into the communities. what is the solution for that? >> solution of course first [inaudible]. better integration. it is to braeak where we
concentrate people with same origins and a lot of problems now have to deal with social mixty in these cities and this is [ inaudible ] for now for the emergency situation of course we have to share more closely intelligence. police have to get to work together in a very close. much more so than now. but it is too easy to criticize. >> mr. mayor, i know that you came here to brussels yesterday. in fact you were here in the public square behind me. the place de la bouse. tell me what that was like. >> we came to show solidarity from paris. as you know we were hit --
wounded as if we were hit ourselves. but the main discussions was how a city can live after that. how do we prevail? what do we have to take care of? and our advice was to take care of kids, both teenagers. because teenagers have to be looked at. because they can turn very easily and to be manipulated. but younger kids we have to learn from their fear, from w t what --. and the people wounded, the family of the victims, they need constant assistance for a very long time. the assistance we are giving to these people has not stopped since november. so you can imagine what's the
importance of the needs. social, psychological -- on every ground. >> deputy mayor klugman of paris, appreciate you being on "new day." best of luck in paris as well. >> thank you. coming up. the 2016 presidential race and the war on wives. mrs. cruz and mrs. trump both becoming political target onts the campaign trail. how did that happen? are the candidates spouses suddenly fair game? that's next. [woodworker] i live in the fine details.
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escalates. and now the candidate's wives in the cross-fire. here to talk about it all --. kelly works for a pro cruz super pack. also with us cnn commentator, former whus white house political director for ronald rager. and donald trump supporter, jeffrey lord. jennifer, jeffrey we heard ted cruz go after donald trump. and just this morning donald trump is responding on twitter. let me read what donald trump is writing. he says nato ises obsolete and must be changed to focus on terrorism as well as some of the things it is currently focused on. and in is second we pay a disproportionate share of cost. why? and it is time to renegotiate and the time is now. it sounds like donald trump in the wake of what happened in
brussels is now talking about changing the u.s. role in nato. >> you asking me in. >> yes. >> in essence what donald trump is saying is president bush 43 and asked of defense rumsfeld were proposing. which is to say get other countries in nato to pay more of the freight for what goes on with nato to update it. upgrade it. that the u.s. shouldn't be paying something like almost a quarter of the expenses for nato. he's not saying get out of nato. senator cruz, god bless him, mischaracterized it for whatever reason. no less than former speaker gingrich has said exactly what donald trump is saying. so, you know, there is no -- this is just a question of modernizing nato to deal with the threat of the 21st century and also to take into account our deficit. our debt.
we're $20 trillion in debt. somewhere we have to start paying attention to that fact. >> is it as simple as jeffrey says? and do you think republican voters care when it comes to nato funding? >> republican voters very much care. in fact all voters right now particularly republican primary caucus voters are telling national security and terrorism is at the top of the list. i know people talk about jobs and economy. but that is baked in the cake. we worry about every day affordable cost of tuition and food and fuel but things like brussels and san bernardino really bring into the concern that we need the fight this war over there, not here. and in terms of nato. it may sound like a very detach order ar cane body to most americans. but let's be clear. this is about america's role in the world when it comes to defeating isis. the president said unifying
against it and showing them who's boss? what is that? very partisan response really. so i think people are starving for leadership. and when it comes to nato i think as we're sifting through the horrors of the brussels as we realize isis cannot be contained. they need to be destroyed at all costs. we can't be haggling over who is paying what dues at this moment. and by the way this country, the u.s., spends a ton of money protecting our neighbor and friend in the middle east israeli israel. is mr. trump suggesting we pull back on that kind of funding. >> this is --. let's go to the twitter war of wives that donald trump overnight retweeting this tweet sent by someone about his wife and ted cruz's wife. it says no need to spill the beams. the images are worth a thousand words. this goes into the three day
twitter war back and forth. and ted cruz responded on twitter, donald, real men don't attack women. your wife is lovely. hideky is the love of my life. what the heck is going on here? shouldality this just shop? >> absolutely. >> both sides. >> i run a pro cruise super pack that does not go into this territory what over. they are both lovely women. wonderful wives. wonderful mothers. and it goes beyond really are they fair game. again the number one wish r issues we're talking about today. terrorism and isis. and we're going to get into a twitter war about each other's wives. what i don't like is people take whatever is said on tv where nobody is under oath ever and as truth and just sort of run with it. there is a lot of emotion and heated rhetoric no doubt. but this teams to me to be out of proportion and beside the point. >> jeffrey lord, let's just stop
it, right? >> you know, i have to say i agree with kelly more or less 1 hundred%. i just think these two guys love their wives. they are defending their wives. this was start bade third party who supported senator cruz. got it off and running. i think it is on the wrong track. >> excellent. with maybe they will listen to us and stop it right now. thanks for being here. michae michaela. >> it is a part of brussels that's become the center of violent extremism. ahead alisyn will take you inside the neighborhood. you might be surprised by what she found in mel beak. neutrogena®id wrinkle repair works... ...in one week. with the... fastest retinol formula. ...to visibly reduce wrinkles. neutrogena®. something we'll show you.. through small things. big things. and spur of the moment things.
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here is your five things for today. the massive man hunt in belgium expanding to two unidentified terror suspects still on the run. one spotted on surveillance at the airport, the other at the metro station. back at home hillary clinton slamming her republican rivals in the wake of the brussels attacks. she says their ideas about fighting terrorism are reckless, even dangerous. the iraqi military says the operation to retake iraq's
second largest city from isis has begun. several vilages outside of mosul have been liberated. mosul has been a stronghold for isis for nearly two years. >> president obama wrapping up his trip to argentina today. at a state dinner the president and first lady, well, just the president rather showed off his dance moves by doing the tango. >> march madness is continuing today. eight games in the ncaa men's basketball tournament. kansas taking on maryland. oregon battling duke. i think i have a bit of a chance that it's not completely busted my bracket. for more visit "new day" cnn.com. molembeek. the brussels neighborhood that's been thrust into the global spotlight. ahead we'll take you inside molembeek.
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(mom) honey, are you ok? (child) i'm ok. (announcer vo) love. (mom) we're ok. (announcer vo) it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. by now we have all heard of the brussels neighborhood called molembeek. about 10 minutes in where i'm standing and that is where salah abdeslam was captured on friday. also where the november paris attacks were plotted. it's been described as the dangerous, extremist neighborhood where police are
lost control. we wanted to see and understand molembeek for ourselves so we ventured into the area yesterday afternoon called a hot bed of violent extremists. >> this is not what we expected when we arrived in molembeek. children playing and laughing at the youth center in the heart of this working class immigrant neighborhood. >> we make the workshop, the activity with the young people. theater activity. we write music. we play music with the young. >> he's a social worker here. originally from the congo. he knows well the challenges of trying to fit into belgian culture. >> most of these kids were born here this belgium. they are born in belgium so they are belgium outright but they find it hard to feel belgian because on other side, the native belgian don't see them as pure belgian. >> still, it came as a shock to everyone to learn that to two of
the suspected paris terrorists spent years here at this youth center as children. salah abdeslam who until his capture on friday was europe's most wanted man, and his accomplice, who is still on the loose. >> it's weird to know that the guy here and had fun when he was little do this. like i don't know what went through his head when he did it but you can't really put a connection to his act and this. >> today the center's leaders try to reconcile how these quiet well-behaved boys could turn into the cold-blooded killers. >> they push each other to do bad things. instead of encouraging each other to be on top of the class, they encourage each other to do foolish things. >> it is hard for this young man to understand why anyone would turn to terrorism though he sees 40% youth unemployment. >> it is going to be much harder
to get a job if they know you are from here. >> the people we met do not want the link to terrorism to define them and they pray these children will have brighter futures. >> i hope that in the coming days we tried to think about what happened. to what's happening to us, to this reality. trying to think about all of this and maybe tell ourselves that we can't go lower and that we can only go forward for something for positive by going from misfortune to something happier. >> joining us now is the imam of the muslim community in molembeek. thank you very much for being here. so we were surprised when we went to molembeek yesterday because they are the warmest love les most welcoming people, even to our camera. how do you explain these lovely people live alongside of known terrorists and extremists? >> yeahs are exactly.
the people of molembeek, where i come from, they are peace loving people. the majority of muslim are peace lovie ining as you said. and there is only a small minority doing this to defame islam. >> of course it is a small minority. however there are at least four known terrorists connected to the paris attacks and now these brussels attacks, abdeslam and his brother. so huh can the community be protecting them and not be turning them into the police? >> i think the most of the people didn't know about their presence in molembeek. so there are thousands of muslims living in molembeek. and as you said there are only four who went to paris and did some inappropriate acts. >> four that we know of. four that we know of. but police tell us they think that molembeek does have a network of terrorism. that there is a cell of terrorism. do you dispute that?
>> i live in molembeek. and being a muslim imam, we don't face like this. in our community since childhood, the children are taught to be peaceful people. and teaches es us that we shou love our country of residence. i think the government of belgium should look deed in this area. and especially in the religious areas likewise in mosques. i think doors of the mosques should be open for the government. like the doors of the muslim community's mosque is open. >> when you say the doors of the mosque to be open to the government you mean you would not object to surveillance? >> no. i'm for that. i think the mosque should be
monitored. as the head of the muslim community said a few months back clearly that the mosques of europe or everywhere should be monitored by the governments. it is the future of the government to make sure the safety of the people. and we know these people are radicalized by some religious factor. so we have to look in the source of it. so maybe the government should be looking deep in the religious areas. >> we also here from people the imams don't speak out enough against radicalization. they don't speak out enough. in your mosque do you speak out. >> yes. i can speak only on behalf of the community. and i know since yesterday since this attack happens we were the first ones to condemn it. and our youth here, there were hundreds and we were like the banners of love for all and hatred for none here.
so this is the message we are trying to give here of the people of europe, to the media, to everyone. >> how do you keep young people this your mosque from becoming radicalized. something like 40% youth unemployment. >> 43% actually. >> so what do you tell young people about avoiding the ideology of radicalism. >> i think two things. first there must be good knowledge of teaching of the holy koran. the peaceful teaching of the holy koran and this is the duty of all religious leaderers. we teach our young'sesters the l teaches of the holy koran, the peaceful teaching. and secondly we really need to engage youngster this is the community work. when this attacked here the government made appeal to give blood. we gather the youth of muslim youth from molembeek and brussels and we went to the hospital with these youth to
show them the real muslim are those who give blood and they are not those who take blood. >> that is beautiful. imam majeeb thank you very much for being here and explaining molembeek and your mosque. >> thank you very much more having me. >> thank you. as you can hear there is so much soul searching going on here in brussels. in the police community t intelligence community, the mosque community. a obviously in molembeek and we're trying to bring it all you do live. i'll be live here again in brussels from this public square. cnn's coverage of the widening man hunt for the two terror suspects continues on "newsroom" with carol costello after this break. t. rowe price, we can help guide your retirement savings. so wherever your retirement journey takes you, we can help you reach your goals. call us or your advisor t. rowe price. invest with confidence. we stop arthritis pain, so you don't have to stop.
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