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cnn with don lemon starts right now. >> breaking news. anti-terror raids and arrests tonight in multiple locations in brussels. those raids connected to the deadly attacks. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. that big development amid fieea of new developments in belgium. clarissa ward is in brussels right now. what can you tell me about these raids tonight in both france and belgium? >> reporter: well, don, there's a lot of information coming into us at the moment. what we know so far here in
belgium, at least six people arrested, three people arrested outside of the prosecutor's office, two in the areaia called jetto and one other in an unknown location. we just referendum from the scene of a raid that was ongoing for several hours. it's not exactly clear what the target of the raid was but it took place in an area where there have been several other raids over the past few days beep saw a large police pressins and what appeared to be forensic experts inside this building, combing through every detail, paying specific attention to an apartment on the third floor. we don't know what the target of the raid was but we could see x
experts going in, collecting evidence and taking it away. first of all, authorities here announcing today that they are now looking for a second participant in the attack on the metro bombing. reportedly images from surveillance video showing a second man next to the bomber, carrying some kind of a large bag. authorities haven't released the images of the man. we don't know what he looks like. we don't know his nationality. we don't motor vehicle anything about him. the other focus, it's an image we all know well, the third man in that airport bombing attack, he's the man at the edge. photograph, he's wearing a light jacket, wearing glasses and a hat, perhaps an attempt to try and disguise his identity. again, belgian officials releasing very little information about who this man is, where they believe him to be
and what his role in this attack was. his bomb, his suitcase full of explosives never actually detonated. >> right. >> reporter: meanwhile, not connected to these raids but in france, don, we have another series of ongoing major terror operations, anti-terror operations i should say, aimed at taking out a plot that according to france's interior minister was in its advanced stages, saying this is an ongoing situation, asking journalists not to ask too many questions. we do know a man was arrested this morning after a week's long investigation and it was through his arrest that the police had a raid in the argenteuil area of france. >> i want to bring in senior justice correspondent pamela
brown. what are you learning about other isis plots in europe? >> reporter: investigators are aware of multiple other plots in europe, possibly linked to the brussels networks and they're in various stages of planning. in some cases officials believe attacks are imminent. the belief is there are dozens, if not more, known isis operatives. they indicate these people are working to launch further terror attacks across europe. there are multiple threat streams but officials are overwhelmed by the sheer volume and there is a high level of concern in the wake of paris and brussels anything can happen because of all of these people who are still on the loose in europe, who have this intent and the intelligence coming in, don, in some of these cases is fragmentary so they don't have
specific information to lead to the where and when? >> what are officials saying leading up to the attack? >> reporter: two officials in belgium handed in their resignations today because of the fact that one of the brothers who was at the airport, the suicide bomber, went to turkey, was deported last summer, possibly deported again and he was flagged for his ties to terrorism and then in addition to that, we have the other brother who had an interpol red notice out on him. i think the fact that these people, some of these people involved with the brussels attacks, also involved with the paris attacks is adding to the sense this is an intelligence failure. >> there's a lot going on here. officials are simply overwhelmed. there are too many foreign fighters in europe. they can't keep up with it. >> there's politics at play as well. so there's a lot of factors.
>> i want to turn to paul cruickshank. what are you hearing about these anti-terror raids? >> these are very significant raids tonight. they're directed against a cell that took part in this attack, people they believe may, linked to that attack. there are six people in custody. it's not clear if any of those people in custody are any of those key suspects we've been talking about in the last hours. one of those suspect who is escaped from the airport didn't blow himself up there. another one seen on cctv footage at that brussels metro stop, very near another one of the bombers. six people in custody, three of those we understand arrested outside the belgium federal prosecutor's office, right in the center of brussels, right by
the local palace. unclear of the circumstance, if they were posing some kind of threat to that building, to the people still inside. this prosecutor's office is leading the charge in terms of the investigation into the cell. so very odd indeed. and potentially disturbing at that three people would be arrested there. >> what are your sources telling you, michael? >> we don't know the real size and extent of this network. you've seen reports, 400 isis-trained operatives have been sent to europe to conduct these operations. i was talking to people recently defebd from the organization today. i was told after paris this was a sea change for them. it was a successful operation, wildly so, and for them striking in the heart of europe, blowing up cities on the continent is their storming of mosul in june of 2014 money this is where they're putting a lot of energy and resources.
and the foreign intelligence division or wing of isis is now seen to be the going concern. >> it's really a frankophone phenomenon. >> explain that. >> the french language. there's such a network, they're able to be trained up, send dispatch back to europe and lie in wait. 400 is a very conservative assessment in my view. >> what are we learning about, two separate teams here? were there two teams? >> at the time of the brussels attacks, officials believe that there were indeed two teams that were going to be involved in this and the first team were neutralized. the threat from them was neutralized. that was the salah abdeslam team. they were in a safe house, salah
abdeslam's hiding place after the paris attack in the neighborhood of brussels on tuesday of last week belgian police and french police went into that building because they believed it was connected to the paris attacks. what they were not expecting to find is anybody inside at all, but they found three of the most wanted terrorists in europe inside. there was a fierce gun battle. overall leader of the entire conspiracy, paris and brussels, including covering fire with a kalashnikov, that individual was killed by a sniper and the other two managed to escape during all that gun fire over the roofs of the building and then salah abdeslam made a crucial mistake. he called somebody up being monitored by belgian security services. he was being taken into custody. as the dragnet fell on team a, the other team decided to
accelerate the plans that this whole two-team conspiracy had. that's why we saw the attacks at the airport and metro station. it could have been a lot bigger. salah abdeslam is suspected to have been involved. >> the house chairman suggested today the americans were specifically targeted at the airport. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. >> why show? >> meramericans, seen as the to prize of isis. >> was it the proximity to american airlines? >> many americans are missing, they hit a lieutenant colonel in the u.s. air force. that's moususic to their ears. it's not just americans. soft targets in particular.
>> reporter: how frustrated are u.s. officials with their belgian counterparts? >> they do communicate with them. pele beat up on belgium a lot, but you've got to realize two things -- number one, belgium is bearing the brunt of the richest, fiercest group in terrorist history who have got more western foreign fighters than any other terrorist group has ever been able to get before and small little belgium is dealing with the brunt of this. and this is a country which doesn't have anywhere near the resources of a britain or france, let alone the united states with all the resources that you have over here. and there are many people working round the clock to try and protect belgium, very, very good people. some of the politician, the political leaders, however, are not giving them the resources that they need.
there hasn't really been this realization that this threat was real until very recently. >> are authorities trying to prove something tonight, that they're on top of it? we're seeing a lot of raids going on or do they happen but we don't focus on them because there's no plot? >> they happen sometimes. you're looking at these raids taking place in realtime. we did a piece at the "daily beast" this week, and u.s. intelligence are very disappointed in not just their belgian counterparts but european union counterparts. the word used by a cia operatives, it's like dealing with children. they're in a state of denial. not just about the jihadi threat but the jihadi milieu. this has been festering for decades. even before 9/11, 7/7 in london
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we're back with breaking news. police in brussels tonight conducting anti-terror raids. at least six people taken into custody. back with me, paul cruickshank and michael weiss. why do officials fear they were looking into nuclear capabilities in belgium? >> they arrested what they believe and allege is a key planner behind the paris attacks at his residence in brussels when. they searched that residence, they found more than ten hours of individual i don't surveillance footage of a belgian official working at a nuclear site. this obviously raised the alarm bells. why would the paris attack cell have this video surveillance
footage, which they had recorded on some sort of camcorder of this official? were they wanting to perhaps aspire to launch an attack on a nuclear facility in some way to get a lot of international headlines, even if they couldn't get inside? were they even trying to gain access in a sense to nuke checl sites for some sort of aspirational materials inside there. the belgian official does not know what they were planning, but in the wake of that brussels attack on tuesday, they evacuated nonessential staff from two nuclear facilities in belgium, which shows they were rather concerned. >> what are your sources telling you about the potential targets, michael? >> i've heard that germany is a big target right now. that's from recent isis
defectors. u.s. says they're picking up a lot of chatter for spain and italy, spain for historic reasons, italy because of the proximity to israel and i've also heard they're about to start using women as suicide bombers. that would be the sort of black widow phenomenon for isis,ing is they haven't done before. >> what do you think of the warning about traveling to europe? >> i take it serious. >> the u.k., they put out a video with a gun over cameron's head and said you're next.
i'm terrified. i told my wife don't travel abroad and she has to for work. >> you mentioned most of the countries that people want to go to. >> that's exactly the point. >> do you agree? >> well, look, i'm european, it's my home. >> he's got no choice. >> i got no choice. they always say this but from a statistical point of view you have to be spectacularly unlucky to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. we think about them a lot. what isis has achieved is to strike fear in europe right now. the publics of the various european countries are losing confidence in their governments and security services to protect them because these terrorist attacks keep on getting through, paris, brussels, where is going to be next? a lot of concern as well about social cohesion in europe because what isis is trying to do is to create a backlash against the muslim community in
the west because they think that that could be a big recruiting tool for them if there is a very large backlash if you have a string of these attacks, it could lead to the sort of rise of far right movements across the west. >> go ahead, michael. >> they've made use of donald trump and the statements he's made. there's a pro-isis cleric who endorsed donald trump for president this europe. they would love to see maureen le pan because president. if you are a muslim living in the land of disbelief, it is your responsibility to kill.
they're putting this emphasis on foreign operations now. that's where they really want to wage battle. >> you said in the last segment that u.s. officials were frustrated with not just mychal bell -- belgian officials -- >> we're overtaxed here. it's true that the ice yet threat of trained operatives coming over -- san bernardino is different. that's inspired. trained operatives coming from syria to the united states, there's an ocean that separates them, our intel does a slightly better job than europe does. we don't have this phenomenon of muslim communities that are essentially ghettoized. they see something, they say
something. >> thank you both. >> up next, in the wake of the deadly brussels attacks, ted cruz slams donald trump saying he doesn't know much about foreign policy. a model's hair is the ultimate test for care. schwarzkopf presents essence ultime omega repair, with rich omega oil. it repairs hair deep inside. 10 times stronger hair. 90 percent less breakage. omega repair, developed with claudia schiffer, from schwarzkopf.
we're back now with our breaking news. u.s. intelligence warning that isis is planning multiple plots in europe. the deadly attacks in brussels making national security a key issue in the presidential election. alan dershowitz is the author of "taking a stand, my life and the law" and foreign policy analyst rula jebreal as well. who has the right idea here? >> i don't think either is right. they're both extreme points of view. i don't think we should be using torture or surveillance of muslim communities. we have to up our game and
strike the right balance. we have to look it the experience of other countries and do a better job protecting our airports and do a better job trying to anticipate but without diminishing civil liberties. >> if your first defense is your allies and your muslim communities, you can undermine them. what mr. trump and mr. cruz are actually saying building walls, there's no wall big enough to keep internet out or to keep radicalization out. i think mr. trump live, you know, he's an analog man living in a digital area. he doesn't understand that can you be inspired by what isis say. the battleground will be in syria, iraq, libya, however, you have to work on prevention here and cooperation. how many muslim communities around the world have sent foreign fighters? you have none of that or few of
that in the united states. there's a reason. they feel american first and foremost. >> go ahead, alan. >> i agree. i think we have to cry to create alliances, create a very strong incentive on the part of people who may know of any terrorist activities to turn them in. that's not happening in brussels. that's not happening in paris. that's probably not happening in london and we have to make sure we emphasize the fact that the vast, vast majority of muslims in the united states are well integrated into america, they are students of mine at harvard. i celebrate ramadan with them. we have to build bridges, but we also have to be very, very tough when we find somebody who is likely to be engaged in terrorist activities, make sure we have appropriate surveillance, no any kind of profiling of individuals based on race and religion but based
on history and background and travel plans. i think we can do it. our fourth amendment provides for reasonableness, not absolute prohibitions. we are not locked in the way brussels was locked in to some very foolish constraints on the ability of their services to conduct raids when necessary and to conduct intelligence operations we can have both, safety, security and also consistent with our human rights and civil liberties. >> rula, hillary clinton speak with sam donaldson after 9/11. >> everyone realizes we have to take care of our people and do whatever it takes to be safe. >> including profiling, senator? >> i think we have to do whatever it takes, sam. >> was she right? >> i think secretary clinton
evolved on many issues, let's put it this way. i am actually against racial profiling. people from around the world ran away from police states and now we have candidates who wants to turn the united states into an oppressive police state. this is not only preposterous. this is not the 21st century we belong to. we have so many hyphenated, african-american, jewish-american, what are the things that unite us? >> american. >> when have a a terrorist, you have to treat them as criminals. >> you don't see that to the degree that you're seeing now. >> but i think there's an enormous difference between profiling and racial profiling. profiling is a very good tactic, trying to find out as much as we can about a person's individual profile, name live travel history, ideology, whether or
not they belong to any radical groups, whether or not they have made statements on the internet which show a disposition. profiling is a very good thing. and we should -- >> that's part of the prevention, alan. i'm not talking about that. i'm talking about racial profiling. i'm against profiling people because they are jews, or they are muslims or black or white. >> we're not disagreeing. >> we need to understand these candidates have actually foreign policy advisers and some of them are islamophobes. >> how do you did that without profiling people racially? >> you have counterextremists -- >> aren't you zeroing in on a person's religion and a person's
race? that's what profilers do. we have fbi profilers, police profilers. you're zeroing in on someone. >> you are not profiling an entire community because this community -- >> it's what ted cruz said about patrolling an entire community. that is not only against the law, that is not about what -- fear is not an american value. hope is. >> go ahead, alan. >> let's be very clear. it's not against the law. perhaps it should be. it's not against the law what ted cruz has suggested. the sport said specifically can you have that kind of intrusion into a community as long as you don't violate their fourth amendment right. it may not be a smart thing to do. please don't cut me off like you always do. let me just finish. >> i never do that, alan. i think you are mixing me with someone else. >> let him finish. >> using a person's background
which includes ethnicity, includes religion, includes racial factors but doesn't limit itself to that looks at a variety of factors but doesn't exclude a person's ethnicity is the way profiling can operate properly within the constitution and within american values, but we have understood that terrorism is conducted by a wide variety of people from different backgrounds, but certain terrorist acts of certain kinds are committed more frequently by members of some communities than by others. and we can't ignore that fact in deciding how to create a profile. that's an expert matter. that should be done by people were experience and it shouldn't be based on kind of ideology, it should be based on what is most effective. i think what's most effective is broad profiling, looking at the person as entire history and background and i think that can be a very effective tool in preventing terrorism. >> look, alan, when you have ted
cruz who has his national security adviser, somebody like frank gaffney, who is a certified islam fob, who called president obama a muslim, who called grover norquist, you understand ted cruz is actually misguided on these issues, is following the wrong guy and wrong policies. but you have other people like trump, who is advised by a guy, walid phares, who used to advise a warlord who committed atrocities. i have concern about our national security in the hands of these two guys. you are right that we need preconvention surveillance but surveillance have to be not against an entire community. it can be individually against people that i think law enforcement has serious suspects about. >> i've got to get to a break. hold your thought, alan.
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news tonight. anti-terror raids across brussels. the deadly attacks impacting the elections. alan, you were going to respond to rula. >> we had terrible experiences in the second world war, profiling them. everyone understand we can't do that. can we take ethnicity into count. the supreme court says we can do that. i'd like to ask our guest if a profile that includes a muslim goss a particular mosque, would
that be appropriatie in creatin a profile. >> i was raised in the middle east and we all ran away. many people ran away from countries that used to persecute people based on religious, sex, sexual orientation or faith. we ran away from those cultures. a criminal is a criminal, whether he's white, black, latino, african-american, j ew. in the eyes of the law, whether he's o.j. simpson -- >> i don't think you're answering his question,though. what if he said -- >> if he, for example, traveled to syria multiple times, this is the intelligent -- i think the agencies, all the intelligence agencies that were put this place after 9/11 as we speak already profile people before they come into this country. i went to the u.s. embassy multiple times. how many interviews i had to go
through and they were very clear, where did you travel, where did you go, who did you see? our agencies work very well to understand the background check we are looking at. in the case of belgium and france, many of these kids went to syria and guess what, when their parents reported to the authority, the authority did not care about that. >> rula, how are authorities supposed to do their jobs when there's one common factor? are they supposed to ignore that common factor? >> which is? that all of them are radicalized. >> that it's radicalized islam. it's a bastardization of a religion. >> there is something called taccia. when the brothers were arrested
in jail, they were arrested for petty jails. they got radicalized inside jail, they come outside, start drinking and going out with women and all that. that's why you need a community who understands radicalization, understands counterextremists and the cryptic language they are using. that's why the muslim community is your first line of defense. >> hang on. so i've worked in local news forever, every night. police are looking for a black male, 5 foot whatever, a white male such and such doing this. why is religion different? investigators are looking for islamic radicalist or a muslim -- why is that off the table? >> i'm not saying that. what you're saying something else, that when you were young as an african-american man, if there is a criminal that came from chicago, the police would
stop you because what you share with him is the color of the skin. >> but i'm not 5'6". i'm 6 feet tall. >> that's why we have police -- >> if they're looking for a black guy or white guy or asian guy, why is it different if they're looking for a muslim or islamic guy? >> i'm sorry, maybe i think there is something here that is missing, but no one should demonize you, criminalize you or dehumanize you because you're black. >> i don't think that's dehumanization. the reality of it is there was a black male who was a certain time -- >> i think we are lost in translation here. give me a chance to answer. alan, just one second. i think here there is a basic issue. if you are -- if you have real suspicion or you have a real suspect and you're following that lead, you have to follow it tim the end, whether his friends, the people he came in contact with, whatever you have
to do but inside of the legal system, you're allowed to do it. but if you're telling me you would start monitoring people based on how they look or because they are praying, then i have a problem with that. >> let me ask a specific question. how about prioritizing law enforcement and making sure that we have undercover agents and we have surveillance that are prioritized in communities in which there is a greater likelihood that radicalization will occur? so if there's a limited amount of money to be spent on, for example, creating undercover agents, that right now it would be a wise idea to spend that money putting infiltrators into radical mosques, into muslim communities that have a history of radicalism, rather than putting them into episcopalian churches or reformed jewish synagogues that have no history of radicalism. would that be okay, prioritizing
law enforcement in certain areas over other areas based on the history of those communities? would that be okay? >> alan, let me tell you something -- >> you're not answering. >> no, no, i'm answering. give me the chance, give me the chance. i'm not in court. i'm not a criminal. >> we're only on tv and only have a certain amount of time. >> i think the overwhelming majority of the people who committed atrocity is in the west bank, who killed a baby this summer, burned him alive, came to brooklyn. do you prioritize infiltrating with informants that already the agents are doing as we speak? >> that's a good question. let me answer that. in israel there has been terrorism by some ultra orthodox jews, israelis who live in the west bank. and if you are an extremely
radical orthodox jews who belong to west bank groups, yes, they have profiled them and prevented acts of terrorism against west bank jews. there is the opportunity to use one's jewish background. you have to look at the history and the culture and where things are happening. in the west bank you would look at a person's jewishness and in the united states you might look into certain mosques as well. >> not discrimination, alan. >> one quick note, american airlines reminds us neither of the bombings happened in proximity to their airlines at the brussels airport.
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dead, killed carrying out attacks in brussels. this is not first time we've seen sib lilings acting togethes part of a terrorist act. joining me, mia, i wish it was under better circumstances seeing you. the kuwashi brothers, the tsarnaev brothers, what makes brothers so recruitable and sought after? >> this idea of recruiting sib li siblings together is as old as the hill. it used to be done with brother and sister teams going back to the 70s and 80s. many of the jihadi groups are using in the same operation people who are related. in a high-risk mission you need
someone can you trust and someone you have confidence in and this is how they operate because they know that you're going to trust no one more than a member of your own family. >> is there something different about the dynamics of brothers and their relationship that makes them targets to becoming radicalized? >> you know, generally except for in isis, these twin sisters, the halani sisters, for the most part any time you have siblings, you'll have one older and one younger. we observe the older pulls the younger one in and the younger one can be considerably younger. we know from the tsarnaev trial that that's what he accused his older brother of doing. we don't know if it's because the older brother is on a pedestal that maybe the young are sibling looks up to them.
>> many find it difficult to believe that others in the terrorist community weren't aware of the terrorist plot. what do you think of that? >> you know, we have a lot of data that shows that and then the opposite of that. you know, sometimes, especially with suicide bombing operations and we've seen this with palestinian suicide bombers, they separate them from the family for weeks or months ahead of time for fear that the family may talk them out of it if they find out about the mission. isis in particular has been recruiting entire families, so it is likely that people who are close to them are aware of it. this is one of the reasons why i've always said when we see women, the likelihood is that there is a male member of the family who was involved in the terrorist group first. so we have to be very wary. if someone is involved in terrorism, we have to look at their family. we can't treat their family immediately at perpetrators because the family may be a
great resource and we know that, for example, mothers can be a bulwark against extremism and getting their kids out. we have to be careful because these family ties run deep. >> mia bloom, always great to have you on. appreciate your perspective. >> thanks, don. >> when we come back, the latest on the anti-terror raids in brussels. and has donald trump gone too far tweeting attacks on ted cruz's wife, heidi? cruz thinks so. >> donald, you're a sniveling coward and leave heidi the hell alone. find a single thing to wear. will they be looking at my hair? won't be the same without you bro. ♪ when it's go, the new choice privileges gets you there faster.
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i'm don lemon. this comes amid fears of possible new terror attacks in europe. also ahead tonight, the personal attacks in the republican campaign getting nastier and reaching a boiling point. let's get to the latest on the anti-terror raids in brussels. nick paton walsh is there. >> we have seen forensic officers focusing on that top floor, that's where we've seen men head to toe in white overalls for much of the hours we been here. other officers coming and going, taking out pelican cases, wearing lighter vests. this began hours before that. some