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the questions haunt us. every time we witness some new savagery. the images that are emerging are horrifying. >> each time we meet to face of evil. >> we'll continue to start the next of your people. >> we ask how? why? how could a band of butchers come out of nowhere and take over vast lands, slaughter innocent and top the world. >> we'll chop off the heads of
the americans, chop off the heads of the french, chop off the heads of whomever you may bring. >> and perhaps the most important question, how could we not have known? the answer is we did. this is the story of what we knew about isis and when we knew it. it is a story that has not been told before, not in its entirety, told by the people who have made the journey into the mind and heart of isis. we begin with an extraordinary chance to look into the islamic state. not a single reporter has dared to venture there. since the gruesome beheadings of journalist began last year, imagine seeing this. >> i'm john brantley, british journalist, abandoned by my own government. >> and this. >> these could be the last hours in this world. >> and then heading straight
into the heart of darkness. but that is precisely what this man did. >> during the months i was preparing the trip, every night i felt a knife on my throat. i felt it physically. >> jorgen tottenhoffer is a german journalist. last year he crossed the border into isis territory. >> i think you must know your enemy if you want to defeat him. >> he went to mosul, an iraqi city about the size of philadelphia, population around 1.5 million. it's the biggest prize isis has captured. this extraordinary video gives us a rare look into every day life under isis. it brings to mind the constant, the evil.
isis has its own license plates, and traffic cops who give parking tickets and there are friendly shopkeepers. >> completely brainwashed. i've never, in my life met people like this. >> this, of course, is the mosul isis officials wanted tottenhoffer to see. they gave him written permission to come to the city. and he believes they let him leave alive to make a point. >> they wanted to show me they are a state and this state is working. it's not a perfect state. it's not like the united states, but it's a state. >> and it's getting bigger. tottenhoffer saw new recruits
pouring in every day. >> in this recruitment center we had, every day, more than 50 new fighters. they can lose fighters, they don't care. the amazing thing is they're completely enthusiastic. they think it's the time of their life. they think that they are part of a historical event changing the whole middle east. >> among them were americans. >> i met many americans. i met many germans, people from france, england. but many americans, guys from new jersey. >> there were also american weapons. some carry them like a badge of honor, even the children. >> how old are you? >> these child soldiers, 12 and 13 years old, now go to what
isis calls their school. >> they started a new school system which i found is completely wrong and crazy. it's a system. >> isis officials trotted out a few prisoner force tottenhoffer to talk to. this man is one of a group of captured kurdish soldiers. >> what if they catch you? >> he told tottenhoffer he was afraid. shortly after, isis put kurdish prisoners in cages dressed in orange jump suits. >> they were paraded through the streets and isis made a propaganda video out of it. it's hard to believe but according to tottenhoffer, there are people in isil who say they are better off under the islamic
state, and they have suffered at the hands of iraq's government. >> first of all, instead of anarchy, they have now law and order. and people don't like isis but they like their security. so, they take taxes. they take care of the poor. >> bizarrely, isis even reaches out to the disabled. this is a recruitment video for deaf jihadis who wish to join isis. tottenhoffer's isis minders kept him away from only one group. he was not permitted to speak to, or even go near, a single woman. >> and you think you would win the war. >> perhaps the most astonishing thing tottenhoffer heard is this. >> they want to provoke the united states to bring ground troops to the country. it's a clear target.
they want the americans to bring their boots on the ground. they want to fight the americans. that's their dream. the ultimate fight against the americans. that's what they want. that's what they hope. >> they do want to fight the americans on their own turf. in this regard, isis has a different dream than al qaeda. osama bin laden wanted to perpetrate large-scale terror attacks against the west. isis may do this but to further its aim of building a state. a caliphate. still, you cannot understand isis without going back to al qaeda and its signature moment. it's most spectacular attack. september 11th, 2001. 19 al qaeda operatives hijack
four planes, knock down two skyscrapers, crash into the pentagon and kill almost 3,000 people. >> the people who knock these buildings down will hear all of us soon. >> at that moment, with the american people terrorized, the american government searched for a fit iting response to this attack. at that moment, the seeds of isis were planted. it would take years and untold numbers of dead before isis would supplant al qaeda, but you can draw a line from the horrifying events of 9/11 and the american response to the creation of the islamic state. that line begins 18 months after september 11th. the united states invades iraq. >> my fellow citizens, at this
hour, american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger. >> yes, yes, america! yes, yes! >> when the u.s. invaded, it hadn't really thought much about the day after. they were very much focused on overthrowing saddam. what happened in the initial weeks was a total power vacuum. >> as the american occupation quickly deinvolve -- devolved into chaos, one man seized the moment. that man is abu zarqawi, the
father of isis. in 2004 he swore allegiance to osama bin laden and became a leader. his ultimate goal was to create an islamic state. events in iraq were going to give him a chance to realize his dream. >> the old military needed to be formally disbanded. >> saddam's military was out on the street. and then american soldiers captured saddam himself. >> we got him. >> sunnis were out of favor and out of jobs, but they had guns and organizational prowess. z zarqawi began recruiting them. >> he was a major celebrity in 2004. he became a rock star. >> some of the worst violence americans saw on their tv screens during the iraq war came courtesy of zarqawi. >> he was like a terrorist
psychopath. >> terrorists inspire d by thei leader blew up a holy shrine. >> the murders of innocent civilians, bombings and even beheadi beheadings. the focus not just on foreigners but on shiites, other muslims seen as heretics. tact iics today that seem eeril familiar. >> there's no one america wants to capture or kill more than zarqawi. >> the cia had been tracking his every move. in june 2006, u.s. forces killed him with two 500 pound bombs. >> tonight the most wanted terrorist in iraq was killed. >> he was eliminated! >> zarqawi's death is a severe blow to al qaeda.
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isis came to life in this desolate landscape, the windswept desert of southern iraq. this is camp bucca, an american prison. during the iraq war, the most dangerous jihadis were locked up here, up to 20,000 of the country's angriest men. some americans who worked at camp bucca called it simply camp hell.
it wasn't just crowded, it was violent. in 2005, riots broke out. detainees went on a rampage, taking over whole sections of the prison camp. american forces massed outside the fences, firing into the crowd. at least four prisoners were killed. >> now, this is camp bucca. >> there were beatings, unexplained prisoner deaths and several dangerous jihadis escaped. into this cordon in early 2004, a new man arrived. we now him know as al badi, the leader of isis. and, yes, he was in american
custody during the iraq war. al baghdadi has shown his face publicly only once -- last year, when he gave a sermon to his followers. but back when the u.s. had him under lock and key, he was seen as, believe it or not, a man who could be trusted. >> the americans seemed to see him as somebody who keep the prison quiet. he was allowed open access to all the quadrants. >> he wasn't considered from everything that we know now a high-level detainee, and he was allowed to, you know, lead prayers, he was allowed to give religious lessons. >> the future leader of isis was giving other inmates lessons on islam.
al baghdadi went through a transformation at camp bucca. >> back then he was an average person. he was just a sunni foot soldier when he was arrested by the americans. >> but by the time al baghdadi left, he was someone else. >> all we know is that baghdadi became an entirely different creature in terms of radicalization, in terms of militarization, in terms of building a huge network of militants in the prison. >> at camp bucca, al baghdadi networked with hundreds of jihadis, some of whom would join isis, and the day would come when he would need military expertise. enter saddam hussein's army. dismissed by the americans, many now at camp bucca. men with exactly the skill set al baghdadi could later make use of. and then, he was set free.
the future leader of isis was recommended for unconditional release by a military review board in december 2004. they did not consider him a threat. whether it turns out baghdadi is the master mind of isis or figurehead, it remains, the united states has put a $10,000 price tag on his head. when we come back, the dangerous way that isis is using us -- television news. >> while the sus backing syrian arabs in yemen, in iraq it is fighting -- girl52 who writes, "no football on sundays has left me with a lot of free time. "so i've constructed a small sanctuary for local squirrels. it's a safe haven where they can meet and fall in love and..."
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evil just a click away. it takes no more than a few seconds to find isis propaganda online. thousands of videos are strewn across the internet. much of it, of course, is sickeningly violent, unbearable to watch. the awful beheadings, the fiery murders. but all of it may add up to the single biggest reason for the success of isis. like so much of what the group does, this is a terror tactic we have not seen before. and it is frighteningly effective. >> 20 years ago, you could never find the three people in
minnesota who would be attracted to the isis ideology. today, you can, and they can find you. isis has used facebook, twitter, google, and the worldwide web as its command and control system. >> the violence in isis propaganda is enhanced by artful editing, special effects, and powerful music. ♪ some videos really are like small films, done with real skill. ironically, it is the barbarism that makes these clips go viral. no one has ever seen anything like it. most of us look at this, and this, and wonder how it could possibly attract recruits. but for some young men raised on violent video games and shoot 'em up movies, it's a powerful lure. >> actions speak louder than words. it is -- it's savagery and viciousness, all of us here. we look at it, horrible and
evil. of course, it's evil. this is part of its strategy to convince young men and women on the fringe, who are deluded, who have no purpose in life, who suffer from torn identities, come to us. >> all brothers and sisters come to jihad and feel the honor we are feeling. feel the happiness we're feeling. >> they want killing machines, that's why you see them, you know, doing these videos and making kids watch these videos and making kids commit the crimes and kill because they are trying to establish a new generation of killers. >> it's the gang mentality. >> the gang idea is important because isis uses it to manipulate kids. a lot of the propaganda mixes the violence with scenes of camaraderie, friendship, the
people in isis videos seem to be saying we did not belong where we were, but now we have found a home. a powerful message to the millions of unemployed, disconnected young muslims across the middle east. and even in countries like france and germany. >> i'm your brother in islam here in syria. i originally come from canada. >> i'm thinking i'm still dreaming. i'm feeling like i'm still dreaming. i'm feeling like i'm in the dream world. you have to be here to understand what i'm saying. >> and, of course, isis also manipulates us, television news. they put their videos online, we put them on television. and in a bizarre twist, isis turns around and makes clever use of what it sees on tv. this video is called "victory in kobani." it glorifies the isis capture of that syrian city, while mocking
president obama and other western leaders. >> air power, alone, first of all, there's no military solution to isil. i have a military-only solution. okay? >> the angry rhetoric of cable news fits right into their script. >> even with troops on the ground, we have proven we cannot defeat these people. we are so incompetent in terms of conducting a foreign policy, in terms of conducting military operation. >> cnn makes an occasional appearance. >> into that city of kobani. >> but fox news is a favorite of isis with commentators demanding boots on the ground playing into isis' dreams of a grand battle with america. >> at the end of the day the united states states will look absolutely foolish for doing some pinprick strikes that had no effect on the outcome, and isis is going to come out more empowered than ever. isis will be the big winner and the united states will be the
big loser. >> all of it is frighteningly effective. creating a 21st century machine designed perfectly for the young and built to recruit followers from across the world. >> they were raised on twitter, they were raised on youtube, they were raised on facebook. isis is cnn to somebody's home tv. these guys are very sophisticated. they're a whole different generation. >> in just a moment, isis and the white house, the story of what we knew about the terror group and when we knew it. >> we failed to understand the enemy that we faced. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla, apremilast. otezla is not an injection, or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. some people who took otezla
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will never forget. u.s. contractors brutally murdered. their bodies burned and hung from a bridge. >> four u.s. civilians butchered, dragged through the street. >> this was fallujah, iraq. the year was 2004. the atrocity aroused deep american anger and brought promises of retribution. >> we will hunt down the criminals, we will kill them or capture them. and we will pacify fallujah. >> and u.s. forces fought two long and bloody battles to retake the city. nearly 70 americans lost their lives liberating fallujah, and hundreds more were left seriously wounded. ten years later, fallujah falls back into the hands of an enemy.
this time it's isis. just a few days after fallujah fell, the president talked about the threat from the terror group in an interview with "the new yorker" magazine. >> he said, "the analogy we use around here sometimes. and i think is accurate, is if a jv team puts on lakers uniforms, that doesn't make them kobe bryant." >> i was disappointed. i was disappointed that he said that. i don't think he was well served. >> the need for intelligence surveillance. >> lieutenant general michael flynn had a front-row seat to the rise of isis. he led the defense intelligence agency until late last year. >> we failed to understand the enemy that we faced. >> flynn says intelligence officials had warned the administration that isis was growing more dangerous before the president made his infamous
jv comment. but the president has said the intelligence on isis was inadequate. here he is on "60 minutes." >> how did they end up where they are in control of so much territory? was that a complete surprise to you? >> well, i think our head of the intelligence community, jim clapper, has acknowledged that they underestimated what had been taking place in syria. >> you were d.i.a. at the time? >> yeah. do you think it was an intelligence failure? >> no, i don't. i really look at that and -- it's easy to -- i mean, i'll take one for the team, you know? the president has to decide who he's going to listen to and what information he's going to use. and i think that he was poorly advised to say that. >> the president makes no apologies for being measured and
deliberate about committing u.s. military resources. >> benjamin rhodes is deputy national security adviser and close aide to president obama. do you think we should have been alerted to the threat that isis posed earlier? >> you know, it's always easy to look back and say you could have been alerted to a specific threat at a specific time, the question is then, what action would that have triggered? part of what the president has brought, his approach to national security, is some degree of restraint in saying that we're not going to chase every rabbit down every hole in the middle east. >> the white house did underestimate isis. and republicans seized on the issue, excoriating the president, growing increasingly strident. >> our strategy will fail yet again. this president needs to rise to the occasion before we all get killed back here at home. >> even former top officials in the obama administration had tough words.
>> it's more than just an intelligence failure, it's a policy failure as well. >> of course, the solution offered by most critics is the one thing isis wants the most. american boots on the ground. the united states has 3500 military advisers in iraq helping them take on isis. but the biggest underestimation was not of the strength of the self-style islamic state but of the weakness of the iraqi state. in the middle of 2014 when isis started taking town after town in iraq, the iraqi army essentially laid down its arms and ran away. remember, this was an army that the united states had spent more than $25 billion building up, an army more than 200,000 strong. that's more than six times the size of isis and maybe more. and it was all rendered useless against the isis assault. why? well, much of it can be pinned
on one man. >> if you ask me, what's the most important factor of iraq, driver behind the resurgence of isis? i would say nuri al maliki. >> nuri al maliki, the iraqi prime minister, whom the bush administration had helped put into power in 2006. >> i appreciate your commitment to representing the people of iraq. >> back then, maliki's appointment was touted by the administration as a triumphant moment for the newly democratic iraq. >> i appreciate you recognize the fact that the future of your country is in your hands. >> to ensure the success of democracy, maliki, a shiite, needed to heal the powerful
schism between shiites and sunnis in iraq, but he never did. so when asked by the shiite abusers to fight against isis, the sunni soldiers and the iraqi army simply said no. >> for many sunnis, they looked at iranian-backed regime in baghdad and they looked at isis and some of them made the disastrous calculation that isis was the lesser of two evils. >> the last american soldier left the country in 2011, after the u.s. could not reach agreement with maliki to maintain a military presence. >> the question that we ask today when people look back at that decision is what would we have done with 10,000 u.s. troops? would they have enforced
security? and frankly would we have wanted them to be fighting in places like mosul and fallujah against isil? >> republicans have criticized president obama for not leaving troops in iraq. some have said if american forces had stayed, there would be no isis. but emma sky believes that was never in the cards. iraq's prime minister al maliki had a new set of patrons, his fellow shiites in tehran, and the mullahs made him an offer he couldn't refuse. >> that was part of iran's deal with maliki, we'll give you a third term, but the conditions are, no american soldiers. that was what tehran had demanded. there was no way it would have gone through the parliament. >> one thing is clear, it was only iraq's army that could have stopped isis. instead, iraqi soldiers threw down their weapons and ran. [ phone ringing ] >> hello?
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the 1980s and '90s in afghanistan and pakistan were crucial years for jihad. bin laden was there, zawahiri was there. it's where al qaeda and thus islamic terrorism, as we know it today, was born. foreign fighters were constantly flowing in even faster to iraq and syria. an estimated 20,000 of them in total.
what drives these people there? what makes them leave home to go far away and fight for an idea, a fantasy? you're about to find out. in the days that followed 9/11, just about everyone in the world seemed to be standing with the united states, even yasser arafat. >> i am offering my condolences to the american president, president bush. >> but not this man. >> i'm very, very sorry to your viewers for saying this, but i lacked any empathy for the victims. maajid nawaz didn't start his life as a radical, he grew up here in essex, england. the beneficiary of a middle class upbringing. the son of hard-working
pakistani parents. but he didn't quite feel at home in britain, and yet, had no other place to call home, no community to call his own. he read for us what he wrote in his diary after seeing the towers fall. >> don't you think we've been crying too, like you are now for years? do you think we felt no pain as you raped and plundered our lands and bombed our cities? what lands, what cities, you ask? your arrogance is only compounded by your ignorance. you chose your side and we have chosen ours. ♪ >> nawaz had become convinced that the world of islam was under constant and brutal attack from the west. muslims had to fight back. nawaz's chosen army was a radical group. the day before 9/11, he had landed in egypt to recruit for the group, which in some ways
was a forerunner to isis. >> it's the first islamist organization responsible for popularizing the notion of resurrecting a so-called islamic state. up until that point i didn't consider myself particularly muslim, but almost in a form of defiance we became so much more muslim overnight. >> and it made him a perfect prospect for a local recruiter. >> he said move to palestine, look at cakasmir, chechnya. there's a global war going on against islam and muslims. at 15, 16 years old i subscribed to it and designated the rest of my life to it. in fact, i was prepared to die for it. >> in the months after 9/11, he was arrested in an egyptian jail with what he calls the cream of the crop of jihadists, he was
thrilled at first about all he could learn from them, but then he had a jailhouse revelation. >> living so close with them for four years in prison, i came to the conclusion that if these guys, any of them, ever got to power, if they ever declared the so-called caliphate, it would be hell on earth, it would be a living nightmare. >> something had clicked, where once he felt no sympathy for the victims of 9/11, the 7/7 attacks in london, he says, made him feel revulsion. recently, his journey almost took him from prison to parliament. he ran for a seat in this year's british elections. he's currently the chairman of a think tank he cofounded to study extremism and challenge them. >> people that join isil, they genuinely think that bringing about an end of day scenario, they genuinely believe they are
working on behalf of god. >> nawaz's story sheds light on one crucial aspect of this picture, but what about the others? why are hundreds of thousands of people streaming from four corners of the world to fight for isis? why do young men, and they are almost all young men, lust for jihad? thomas friedman has a simple explanation. >> none of them has ever held a job, a power, or a girl's hand, and when you put large numbers of young males together and you offer them a wife, you offer them a salary, and you offer them the ability to lord it over somebody else, that is isis' value proposition. >> next on "blindsided," is isis a threat to the united states, to the homeland? i'll give you my thoughts when we come back.
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you've heard so much and seen so much about isis, it's easy to get anxious, it's trying to scare you. isis presents itself as a global organization, but it has thrived because of a local cause. the group has gained territory, cache, and recruits, primarily because of the rage and reb rebellion of the sunnis of iraq and syria. that sunni cause is going to endure for quite some time. the sunnis of the region will remain in rebellion. the sunni dominated areas will remain in turmoil and isis will be able to capitalize on this chaos. in the long run isis might find its greatest foes within its so-called caliphate. the few reports emerging from areas controlled by isis suggest that people do not like living under a brutal dictatorship. they live in fear and people are
growing disenchanting. in this respect, isis is like other radical islamic groups such as the taliban. they have allure in the abstract, but once they are actually governing, the allure fades, the disenchantment builds, and with it ever increasing repression. remember, no one has ever voted isis into power anywhere, they slaughtered their way into victory. is isis a threat to the west? the group's leaders declare that it is every day, but until recently, their ambitions appear to be mostly centered on their arab enemies, on building a caliphate in iraq and syria. >> they understand, of course, that to be terror group number one they must battle the country that is the world's number one power, america. they seek that confrontation and hope that the united states would come to the middle east and fight them on their terms, on their terrain.
now, to be clear, they are opportunists, and they ask and hope that their followers would act in america, but their main focus is not to come here, they want americans to go there. the leaders of isis have recognized that above all they are a messaging machine, which in turn becomes a recruitment machine. their gruesome videos would seem a repulsive turnoff and are to most people, but they work on the web. the shock and awe they produce makes them go viral, and those are seen by tens of millions. that ensures that these videos attract those utterly alienated young men. a few thousand among the world's 1.6 billion muslims, who seek revenge, glory, and gore, and as long as those young muslim men scattered across the globe are attracted to isis and stream to its cause, the group presents the world with a danger that is
impossible to fully assess, and a danger that grows by the month. this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning, thanks for joining me, i'm fredricka whitfield. we begin with breaking news out of pakistan. at least 63 people have been killed, 200 others injured in a suicide bombing attack at a public park in pakistan. most of the victims are women and children and reuters is reporting this bomb exploded just a few feet away from children's swings. we have just learned a taliban group has claimed responsibility for the attack and has aimed -- aiming it at the christian festival of easter. and the group says the attacks would continue. cnn international producer has more from islamabad.