>> do you force lgbt people to carry identification karsd. i don't think you want to do that. >> we will be watching where it goes. thank you so much. thank you for being with us. ashleigh is back tomorrow. wolf begins now. hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it is noon in wisconsin, 7 p.m. in brussels. wherever you are watching around the world, thank you for joining us. the manhunt son in europe right now. police are searching for at least eight suspects they believe are linked to the terror attacks in paris and brussels. this comes as federal prosecutors in belgium announce three men arrested in raids this weekend are charged with participating in the activities of a terrorist group. meanwhile, belgian police issued an appeal to identify the third
bomber caught on surveillance video. it appears to have left his bomb and fled. the belgian government raised the death toll to 35. the number rose after four hospitalized victims died. we're waiting to learn their nationalities. here's what we know right now. 16 of those killed were belgians, four americans, others included dutch, swedish, german, french, british, italian, indian and chinese. three families are awaiting dna results. cnn's alexandra field is live from brussels. we have a lot of people detained or arrested since the brussels attack. they have been since released. what does that say about the state of investigation and how much hard evidence the police and investigators actually have? >> well, we know that authorities are under extreme pressure here. they have two major manhunts going on. they are looking for the third
possible suspect and a second possible in the attack in the metro station. these are people they want to find in order to prevent another possible attack from happening. there have been manhunts since the paris attacks happened in november and yet in the midst and the environment of a heightened alert level, heightened threat level you have two major attacks. authorities are trying to bring in everyone who could have been connected. to the end you have a man taken in to custody on thursday night. he was charged on friday. the charge announced on friday and today we are learning he is being released. these were incredibly serious charges he was facing, terrorist murder, attempted terrorist murder. why let someone go facing those charges? what we are hearing from the prosecutor's office today is the clues were not conclusive enough for a magistrate to determine this person should be held so he
was released. this is in line with belgium law. being charged means you are under investigation but they do not have to have a trial if the evidence doesn't support the charges. >> sounds strange to american audience but there's a different system of justice clearly opposed to what is going on in belgium right now. cnn obtained a photo of one of the suspects, arrested in france on thursday. what can you tell us about this individual? >> this is somebody authorities have been looking for quite stiechlt in fact, the indication that authorities were searching for him was released in january. at that time, authorities received information he was part of the planning of an attack they thought was going to be imminent. the plot was foiled but they have been looking for this man. on thursday they raided a house in a terrorist are suburb and
found two explosivives used in the brussels attack and kalashnikovs. this man is in custody. he's been wanted for months by french authorities and also somebody authorities have been looking for sometime. he was convicted during a trial in brussels in 20 is 5 for links to a jihadist network. >> thank you very much. as authorities unravel the web of plots and suspects we are getting the real scope of isis and geographical reach in europe. let's discuss this with my next two guests. the dean of the fletcher school of law and diplomacy at tufts university. global affairs analyst, thank you very much for joining us.
police released the video of one of the airport attackers and appeal to the public to try to identify this guy. what does it tell you about the investigation, the guy in the white jacket, the video of him and we saw still photos earlier. they still don't know who he is. >> let's face it, wolf, think of the united states of america with each of the 50 states having a different language, different culture, different legal system, different judges. that's what you have in europe. they tried to bring it together with the european union but there are enormous handy kaps as you go after intelligence. even within belgium, you are divided by two populations. they are working hard to overcome this. they have to do a better job of coordinating and pooling information. >> the police have arrested these individuals. apparently they have been charged but released.
it's a strange system. apparently -- at least to audiences here in the united states. what does this say to you about the knowledge they have about what is actually going on? it seems there's some severe limitations. >> yeah. it may seem strange to us but the belgium police know what the laws are in their own country. if they have not been able to build a substantial body of evidence against these people they have held they view the courts let them free and assume they are keeping a close eye on these people if they are confident they were involved in the plot. it cannot have come as a surprise to them. it's a system they take the innocent until proven guilty one level further than in the united states. human cases of terrorism, if you think of that that is probably a good thing. in the specifics of this moment
in time after a terrorist attack, you think perhaps the police should have had more powers. that's the law they operate under. >> did you appreciate that law? you lived there four years. did you understand what we would regard as a muddled system? >> absolutely. this is part of the landscape of europe. it's not confined to belgium. there are other areas where you see this. my previous point, the disparity in the laws as the european union will try to work against a network of jihadis, certainly thousands who have returned from the fight in syria with eu passports. it's going to be challenging and frankly dangerous in europe as this unfolds. the other point i'd make, look at the internationalism of the victims hit. i've heard 25 to 30
nationalities among the injured and dead. this really is a global problem. >> clearly, at least a dozen nationalities among the dead. one of several hundred injured. a lot of them over in europe. let's talk about pakistan for a moment and then i want the admiral to weigh. in looks like what happened at easter sunday on this amusement park at this park in lahore pakistan, where terrorists went after christians it looks to me and i want your assess ment, like it is part of a broader effort to go after christians. they wound up killing three times as many muslims as
christians. that is going to put a chill in the krig community in pakistan. it's slightly different from the situation in syria and in iraq. in pakistan these terrorist groups splintered away from that, they have been attacking all kind of minority communities and christians are one of them but also attacking the shoo ya who are a minority in pakistan. some cases sikhs. they are going after all of the minorities they can possibly target. but in this instance they specifically targeted the christians on a holy day in a place they knew christian families would be out with the children having a picnic, enjoying easter sunday. this has never happened before. this easter sunday has been observed in pakistan in lahore for decades. i'm sure christians in that city and pistan in general are looking over their shoulders and
with a great deal of concern and anxiety. >> i have been to lahore and the park and it was a popular place but i'm not sure it will be popular right now, sshlgly for christians. what does it say? you studied this and know what is going on. it is heart-breaking to see the christian community and in syria and iraq literally destroyed, their towns destroyed. what does it tay about what is going on? >> first and foremost, we need to not give in to the mantra, the narrative of hatred between religions. on the other hand, withinthe muslim world, there's a sharp, small, take rouse set of radicalized individuals. i want to pick up one point. probably the worst terrorist attack in pakistan's history was just over a year ago. a massacre of school children,
140 of them. who are the children of army officers, of pakistanis does by the same pakistani taliban. the levels of hatred hatcheting can go in a lot of directions. i wouldn't say solely against christians but agree with your premise it is a concern. >> let's not forget, most of the victims of these terrorists are muslims not christians or others but mostly muslims but there seems to be a direct attack in syria and iraq to destroy the most ancient christian communities. we will keep you with us. a lot more to assess while isis agents carry out attacks. the syrian army recaptured palmyra from their fighters. recent victories against isis in war against the terror organization. is the war over there in iraq
the syrian regime announces an important victory in the war against isis. the syrian army says it has taken back palmyra in central syria from isis terrorists. it says russia's air strikes were a big part of the campaign to drive them out. isis fighters have been in control of palmyra since last may. our senior international correspondent arwa damon has the details. >> reporter:s it's a strategic, perhaps more so symbolic victory for the assad regime now it m managed to recapture palmyra ra from isis. a historic city this occurred once again thanks to the support of russia with reportedly hundreds of air strikers pounding virs different isis positions in the days leading up to the regime and the militias
245 support the final push in the city. there have been many concerned about potential damages done by isis to the historic ruins. we do know that isis did blow up and damage some millennia-old temples. the u.n. coming out and expressing its desire to see what is existing and standing of palmyra preserved by the assad regime. the regime is using it to push forward the point that its strategy, along with russia's strategy inside of syria is proving to be significantly more successful than that of the u.s. coalition. this certainly is going to provide a much-needed moral boosts to assad's forces, though not necessarily a decisive blow to isis. arwa damon, cnn, istanbul. >> let's talk about this with our military panel.
joining us retired lieutenant general, cnn military analyst, former commanding general in the u.s. army and retired admiral, dean of the fletcher school of law and diplomacy at tufts university. how important is the recapture of palmyra? is it largely symbolic or is thereny strategic value in it? >> i think is strategic value. anytime you take a significant city like this. but we are far from the end of this. what we are starting to see in this campaign, both in iraq, where there's real progress moving up to mosul, and in the syrian side of this. you are seeing isis is not ten feet tall. we have to remember, however, that the retaking of palmyra is not retaken by the moderate syrian opposition. it is retaken by the apostic regime of assad. it is a mix picture. but anything that knocks down
the islamic state is a good overall. >> it's interesting, this could not have been done without russia air strikes, without the syrian military, isis was not defeated by syrian rebels. it was defeated by the coalition and the bashar al-assad reseem and only because the russian air strikes were pounding away. >> as a reminder, a couple of weeks ago, mr. putin said we are taking our aircraft and army out of syria. remember that, and suddenly within the last week he's had over 50 air strikes in the homs district and palmyra alone. there is a disconnect between what he is saying and his support of the assad regime and what is happening on the ground. this is a critically important strategic area. first of all, because of the symbolism of palmyra and because if you look at the cross roads in homs it is like gettysburg. roads heading out in every direction and you have to take
the city in order to control northern and eastern syria. >> let's talk about the map. look at the map of isis-controlled territory. clearly reduced to some strands, important areas. still a big chunk. they still control mosul, at one point 2 million people but looks like their area is being reduced right now. is that your analysis of what is going on the ground in syria and iraq? >> it is indeed. i think progress will continue. as long as we keep the pressure on. that means arming the kurds to the north on the iraqi side, continuing to support the iraqi security forces coming up from the south. amp up the bombing campaign on the part of the united states. this is in iraq and gradually enable the moderate syrian opposition. that's a long-term task over in syria, but putting isis under
those multiaxis pressure is classic military,actical and strategic approach. we will see that isis is not ten feet tall. the key point to remember here, however, wolf, is that the job is far from done. we are still at the beginning. second key point, this is a global entity striking in the heart of europe in san bernardino, california. we are far from high fives and a victory lap. >> clearly there's some progress made, general. but retaking mosul is going to require an enormous military -- the isis fighters controlled mosul for two years. the iraqi army has not been able to get in there and they say they need more u.s. advisers and troops, thousands more to go in and back up what would be a strategic offensive to retake mosul. this could go on for not just months but years. >> this will take a while.
we have said it from the beginning. the key piece is mosul is a tough city to fight in. i've thought there. but you are seeing a combination of peshmea and iraqi forces going in there, killing of isis leaders, reduction in funding, all the right things are happening. >> is it wise -- we heard the chairman of the joint chiefs, secretary of defense say they are going to recommend increasing the u.s. military presence in iraq right now to presumably help the iraqi military and others retake some of those isis-controlled areas. they are potentially talking thousands of troops. i'm sure the american public isn't excited to hear about that. >> i think all of the american public had a lot of middle east fatigue at this point, wolf. i know the general would agree with me and he fought from the ground in iraq. i launched many strikes from the
sea in iraqi freechl we cannot walk away from this. we are not talking about 150,000 u.s. troops like in iraq or afghanistan but 15,000 troops ased advisers, mentors, components, intelligence, logistics. that can be the stiffener in the iraqi forces that can overcome the islamic state and iraq and cut off resources from the syrian side of this until we have to go after iraq. >> right now the u.s. has 4,000 troops on the ground in iraq. that number could go up. we'll see what happens. guys, thank you very much. coming up, trump says if he is elected president of the united states, he would want allies of the u.s. to contribute more to the cost of housing u.s. troops in their countries, 0 or he would pull them. look at trump's world view when
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donald trump says his foreign policy is america first. i'm not isolationist but america first. we will not be ripped off anymore. to discuss more on trump's world views and how they match up, bring back our military analyst, lieutenant general hertling. >> he says america first, everybody wants america to be
first, but he is getting a lot of criticism for saying america first. he insists he's not an isolationist. he just wants allies to do more than they are doing now. >> it was confusing to me. i wouldn't categorize it in the isolationist vein. it was confusing. from the standpoint of a military guy who would have to take orders from a president, i couldn't read where he was going. given nuclear weapons to some, taking them away from others, being involved in some places and not other places. when you take a look at a potential president, they have to understand that there's four elements of national power. the military is one of them. diplomacy, economy and information are the other ones. i think om of the statements mr. trump has been giving to the press is con fewing our allies right now. they don't know where to go in terms of how to find out what this potential next president might be thinking. >> on the issue of nuclear proliferation, what he suggested
is that if north korea has a nuclear arsenal, maybe south korea, 0 our ally should have an nuclear argue nal, maybe japan, worried about north korea, they should have a nuclear arsenal. why should the u.s. be financially, politically, militarily so obligated to protect those countries when they could do it by themselves? >> you ignore the history of the region and it ignores the history of the second world war and every american foreign policy principle in the area the past six decades. it's not so much a principle as a something that seems to have popped in to donald trump's mind. i wish that the "new york times" were able to push him harder on those points and a ask specific questions. if it is okay for south korea and japan to have nuclears, who else, who's allowed and who's not an why we should trust some countries and not other
countries? they didn't push him on those things. we really haven't heard anything that sounds like a foreign policy philosophy or a world view. it doesn't seem considered. it seems knee jerk in response to a question suddenly thrown at him. >> i want you to listen, general, to donald trump on a radio interview earlier today. listen to to what he said about nato. >> there's no one -- frankly, if there is you need different countries because it involves different countries. nato is obsolete. >> nato is very obsolete. he's angry because the ail nato allies don't chip in percentage wise of their gdp for defense expenditures what the u.s. chips in. they have not gotten involved directly as an organization in trying to destroy isis. >> i'm not sure either of those atements are true, woman we will talk about the fighting of
isis and other terrorist organizations. as parent of the security force in afghanistan, nato chipped in a third of the forces. >> in afghanistan they are involved but they are not involved in the war against isis, iraq and syria as an organization. >> as an organization you are right. >> additional countries may contribute but as an organization headquartered in belgium, the secretary general of nato they have not gotten their act together to do what they did to the taliban in afghanistan. >> that's true. >> that frustrates trump. is he wrong? >> he's wrong. those individual countries that are contribute to the fight have come to the agreement they l. there are multiple countries that are. we fought with many countries in the european and i spent the last 12 years of my career in afghanistan, europe, iraq and they are side by side with our forces and doing other things like cutting financial network, improving cybersecurity, going against the flow of refugees and
combined with them, the united states and our nato allies and other allies in europe are contributing to the fight. >> is he wrong when he says that nato is obsolete right now? he says if they are so worried about ukraine and russia 3450u6s in the ukraine, let the germans other nato allies take care of it. the u.s. is financially strapped and the u.s. can't afford to do it. let the europeans take care of it? >> in some ways he is reflecting the frustration the white house feels, as well. you remember president obama's interview to the atlantic a couple of weeks ago where he talks about free riders. the president is also frustrated at certain european countries that seem to be comfortable letting the u.s. carry all of the heavy weight. there's a way to have this conversation about responsibilities and countries taking on a bigger share without it being so -- using language that is much more likely to
bring them in rather than push them out. for a man who claimed he knows how to make a deal, this seems to be the opposite of how you go in to a deal. this seems designed to antagonize everybody before a conversation takes place. yes, there's a case to be made that certain countries in europe ought to be taking a bigger role, but that is not the way you have that conversation. >> you are right. >> there are similarities between donald trump and president obama's world view. but you are right there were some similarities at the same time. thank you very much. coming up up, the wisconsin primary a week away from tomorrow making the state the next big battleground for the remaining republican can day. the wirn could shake up the race. we'll discuss.
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candidates in both parties are setting their sights on wisconsin. for the republicans 42 delegates are up for grabs. drt democrats 86 are at stake. phil mattingly is joining us where salem, wisconsin where kasich is campaigning this hour. jeff zeleny is in madison, wisconsin where hillary clinton holds an event later today. kasich trying to get in the spotlight, but donald trump is making headlines as we reported on foreign policy. tell us about what is called the trump doctrine right now out on the campaign trail. >> really illuminating couple of
days for anyone trying to get a sense of what donald trump's foreign policy is it. appears to be under cutting strategic alliances, under cutting tree treaties, historical allies are all in play if it benefits the united states. this is something that has garnered criticism from his opponents ted cruz going after him stressing this shows some form of naivete including the possibility of allowing japan and south korea to become nuclear and u.s. backing off a bit. one of the most interesting things we have seen, over the course of the campaign a lot of criticism about not going in to detail. now he has gone in to detail and ted cruz and john kasich feel there is fertile ground to attack on the details and policies. >> on the democratic side, secretary clinton son the campaign trail in the coming hours. bernie sanders said he has the momentum after he crushed her in
three-state sweep over the weekend in alaska, hawaii and washington state. what's the state of the democratic race right now? >> no question bernie sanders has energy from the weekend wins but secretary clinton has a big lead in math. she is leading by at least 237 pledged delegates. but wisconsin will be the central battleground. wisconsin over the next week will be the place where it determines if bernie sanders will be able to make an argument going forward in to the month of april. remember the rallies he held in wisconsin? across the country last summer, his first was here in madison. 10,000 people or so. he is hoping that energy will propel him. he's also trying to urge the clinton campaign to start debating. he is calling for one more debate next month. the campaign says senator sanders will not dictate our schedule here. but that is the thing the clinton campaign will have to
decide if they will accept the debate and compete with them as they keep one eye on republicans. i got off a call a few moments ago with a top strategist on the sanders campaign and they believe they have blocked the clinton campaign from winning a majority of pledge dell gats. they believe she could only hit the requirement by super delegates. the math is difficult for them. it is an uphill battle for sanders but they are in it until the end, they pledge. this is a dog fight. the next week or so in wisconsin will determine how long this fight and how aggressive it will be. wolf? >> it will be fascinating to see what happens in wisconsin next tuesday. thank you. an important to note to our viewers, tomorrow night cnn hosts a republican town hall in wisconsin. donald trump, ted cruz, john kasich will be there. they will answer questions from voters in wisconsin. it will be moderated by anderson cooper tomorrow night at 8 p.m. eastern. it all starts right here on cnn.
the presidential candidates are battling for delegates heading in to next week's wisconsin primary. that's a week from tomorrow. two candidates are trying to regain candidates from their competitors. let's talk about this. joining us michael dyson, an academic and author and his book titled the black presidency, barack obama and the politics of race in america. and also joining us, cnn political commentator jeffrey lord and white house political director donald trump supporter cnn supporter jeffrey lord is with us. matt lewis is with us, a conservative writer, senior contributor for the daily caller. to all of you, thank you for joining us. what do you think about this effort that bernie sanders is doing to try to win over --
she's more than 400 super delegates and he has 27, maybe 35. is that doable? she has such an enormous lead in delegates based on the super delegates. >> i don't think it is realistic although i understand why senator sanders is going after those votes because they are flexible. people can change their minds once they get to the convention or any other point along the way. i think hillary clinton has her ground game has been sophisticated and her wooing of the super delegates and her pledge to her is ironclad n. that sense it spells bad news for senator sanders. >> on the trump side, and you are a supporter of donald trump, he is crying foul over louisiana. he won by 3 percentage points but ted cruz may get more delegates out of louisiana. trump tweeted this, to show how fair republican politics can be. i won louisiana and get less delegates than cruz, lawsuit
coming. didn't he afternoon his team basically screw up up by not going through the process. the cruz camp as a ber legal team to get the rubio supporters and uncommitted delegates to come to their side. >> yeah, wolf. when you go back in the history of republican conventions, this is found everywhere. there are plenty of disputes in convention history over delegates. how they were elected, who they really belong to. whether they represent candidate a, b or c. the taft-eisenhower race was a case and point in 1952. this doesn't surprise me. it is heading rooid right along hard here. the question is what can be done about it. >> saying he should sue his own legal team, realizing their may be ten delegates up for grabs
out of louisiana. >> i just wonder who will tell him about the electoral college. because he could be in for a shock. this is something, if you were paying attention, barack obama did a really good job, he did this to hillary clinton on a couple of occasions where she would win states but he outmaneuvered her on the ground. that's what ted cruz -- say what you will about ted cruz but his team has been good about this kind of operation. >> he's got a very good ground game, legal team, all of that. let me let jeffrey weigh in. you agree the cruz campaign on the ground, very strong? >> yes, i think they've done a remarkable job. i mean, let's go back to senator cruz's first election as senator from texas. he pulled off quite a faed against an establishment republican candidate who is not only the sitting lieutenant governor, he was basically wealthy himself. and in spite of all of that, ted cruz managed to pull an upset. you can only do that with a good
organized ground game so i think he's good at this the. >> trump sort of -- he relies on himself by all accounts. he's got advisers, he's got teams, but so many of the decisions really come from donald trump. >> yes, that's the virtue and also the vice of being the head man in charge. if you don't have insight about the electoral process, the jibe launched by our good friend here about the electoral college, a case in point, you have to be those votes and how to go out n- there and shake the trees so to speak. to make sure everything falls in your direction. >> it gets complicated. all right, guys, stand by for a moment. much more with the panel coming up on the state of the presidential race right now. we'll be right back. then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should have done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. just one of the many features that comes standard with our base policy.
jeffrey lauren and matt lewis. listen to this. >> i don't think america's a safe place for americans. we're allowing thousands of people to come in here. nobody knows we're there from. nowhere knows who they are. they're coming in here by the thousands. let me tell you something, we're going to have problems -- just as big or bigger than they've got. >> now, academics and pundits, they can criticize him for his views but rank and file republicans, they seem to like that kind of talk. that potentially could help him in the upcoming contests including a week from tomorrow in wisconsin. >> absolutely. in fact, i have a theory that any time something bad happens in america or internationally, it actually helps trump. he is a candidate who i think thrives on fear and anger and frustration. sometimes there are things to be afraud of. we can agree on that. i think if you're afraid, whether it's economic
instability or whether it's a global terrorism, donald trump is feeding that. and you know i think it certainly resonated. >> i think he makes a good point. after an attack like paris or brussels, someone like donald trumps who has spoken about that fear, that company resonate, especially among republicans going out to the polls next week. >> well, he has already said that he specializes in appealing to those who don't have the highest levels of formal education, though still intelligent people. the problem is, he may not be as well informed about the broader geopolitics of the situation and as' result of that, that appeal to paranoia and fear ends up looking like xena phobia and locks like demonization of particular populations as oppose to a sophisticated engagement. >> i assume, jeffrey, you read that long "new york times" article about trump's global view. and they also put on their website the actual transcript of
those two phone conversations. was there anything in there you disagreed with? >> you know, i do think he's -- there's two things that i think are intertwined. let me use the nato example. where he says our friends in nato should bear a larger share of the cost. i think was a point made by president bush 43 and secretary rumsfeld in the past. but donald trump is keeping his eye on the ball here. of our deficit. our debt, rather. that we're almost $20 trillion in debt. somewhere along the line, you have to start paring this back or we are going to have serious problems in the country. and funding nato will be the least of them. so everywhere that you can scrimp and save and get others to pick up the slack, i think the nato example is just one and i think you'll start to see more of them. >> what do you think, matt? >> look, he laid out in that interview with "the new york times" a dramatically different
world view than we've had. a different paradigm than post world war ii era. really what -- >> -- openly suggesting maybe it's time for japan and south korea to get their own nuclear arsenals to deal with the north korea nuclear threat. >> it is astounding if you think about it and it defies what we've had in the last 50 years. sort of a paleoconservative view. harkens back to a pre-world war ii type of republicanism. >> the problem is we're living in a post-world war ii world. as a result of that, to engage these other powers with the kind of america first ideology is not simply an appeal to a conception of isolationism. it's just plain old scary. because you don't know all the players involved and what they're likely to do and what powers they should be, that they should have in the light of where america is right now. >> this notion sort of jumped out at me, if the saudis don't step up to the plate and start sending troops to fight isis, maybe the u.s. should stop buying saudi oil.
all right, we have to leave it there. appreciate it very much. i'll be back, 5:00 p.m. eastern, in "the situation room." for our international viewers, "amanpour" is next. for our viewers in north america, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for starting your week with us here. we begin of course with europe. europe on edge. the terror web expanding as the hunt intensifies for those responsible for the attacks in belgium. now told at least eight people are on the run, suspected in the attacks in both brussels and in paris. raids now spreading across, look at this, four countries now, nine people taken in for questioning just this past weekend. three of them are charged with helping terrorists. and breaking today, a big setback. investigators letting one suspect