tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN March 28, 2016 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT
good evening. in just about a week, republicans go to the polls in the state where the party was born, wisconsin. in less than 24 hours, donald trump, ted cruz and john kasich will face the voters in a cnn/360 town hall. until then, heavy campaigning in the primaries. hillary clinton is coming off a three-state defeat over the weekend and facing new calls from bernie sanders for another debate. senator cruz, meantime, remains embroiled in a deeply personal spat with donald trump with their spouses caught in the middle.
sunlen serfaty joins us now from rothschild, wisconsin. there's been more back and forth between trump and cruz today over their wives. what's the latest? >> reporter: that's right. this dizzying exchange between them of charges, countercharges and allegations did really keep up. we saw donald trump in a rather contentious radio interview refuse outright to apologize for retweeting that photo of heidi cruz next to melania trump. also doubling down on his allegations that senator cruz had something to do with this anti-trump facebook ad about melania trump which has not been baked up. and cruz went after donald trump again saying he planted this salacious tabloid sgr htory abo him, which that hasn't been backed up. senator cruz tried to hit the reset button. that's something i asked him about when i sat down with him hoscampaign bus. >> from the beginning, our focus has been on issues n substance.
when other goes to the gutter, i have not responded in kind. donald trump has shown a willingness to traffic in insults and personal attacks. he's directed them at everybody else. he's directed them at me. he's directed them at family members and my wife. that has no business in politics, i think people are tired of it. >> reporter: it seemed to me today a little shift in senator cruz really trying to take back control of the narrative as this feud continues to wage on between them. >> sunlen, another battle for trump today is between him and the gop over delegates in louisiana. he tweeted just to show you how unfair republican politics can be, i win the state of louisiana and get less delegates than cruz. lawsuit coming. he should have said "fewer" grammatically. what's this all about? >> this was settled weeks ago in the beginning of this month. trump walked away with a narrow lead. he won the state but both cruz and trump walked away with 18
delegates but there were still ten on the table for the taking. some of marco rubio's delegates that are now released, so to speak. and five more delegates that are unbound. and the cruz campaign reportedly had been able to outmaneuver trump and get those delegates potentially pledged to their side. that's what set off donald trump today. it was interesting with this threat of a throughout that trump said in that tweet, cruz was asked about this today. and his response was really to brush it off as much as he could. he said, look. this is a pattern from donald trump. he likes to bully and threaten lawsuits when he feels uncomfortable. >> you tried to pin cruz down on whether he would still support donald trump if he becomes the nominee. what did he say? >> that's right. this is fascinating to watch him evolve on this. and he for a long time has said that, point blank, he would support whoever the republican nominee, yes, even if it is donald trump. something he's always stuck to.
he said it's a pledge. here's what's he had to say today. >> well, as you rightly noted, i'm not in the habit of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my family. donald trump is not going to be the nominee. we are going to beat him for this nomination. >> so to my question that was not a yes, i will support donald trump. that's not a no, i will not support donald trump. seems to be softening on this issue. potentially inching towards potentially saying a definitive no. >> the line he's always used in recent tums has been, i promised i would so i'm not going to go back on my promise. we'll see how that continues to evolve. by now it's become well known official endorsements of cruz have been less than enthusiastic. aimed more at stopping trump than supporting the cand daut. his rank and file support iers, they are deeply loyal to the candidate which raises the question, if their candidate loses the nomination to donald
trump, then what? gary tuchman asked a group of cruz supporters and got surprising answers. watch. >> reporter: before a campaign rally begins, loyal supporters are picked to sit behind the stage. it's to those diehard ted cruz supporters we posed this question. >> if donald trump gets the nomination, how many of you would vote for donald trump? how many of you might vote for donald trump? how many of you would not vote for donald trump? among these loyal supporters, there is anger about what donald trump has said and tweeted about ted cruz's wife heidi. >> i would have to think about it very, very hard. i have been waiting for a long time not to do this when i vote. and if ted cruz isn't the nominee, i guess -- i can't vote for hillary, so i'd probably have to, but -- >> have to what? >> vote for trump, but -- >> would any of you vote for the
democrat? >> no. >> you would? >> absolutely not. >> you would vote for hillary clinton over donald trump? >> i would, yes. >> i wouldn't vote for -- not hillary clinton over donald trump. >> bernie sanders over donald trump? >> bernie sanders over donald trump, yes. >> we didn't find many people at this rally who would support a democrat but we found fewer who could enthusiastically support donald trump. >> i had a lot of issues with donald trump. thought he was better than headquart hillary clinton. what changed my mind is his attacks. >> what do you think about what donald trump said bhs wife? >> i think it's crap. it was horrible. no it wasn't fair at all. >> reporter: if donald trump gets the nomination for president, could you vote for donald trump? >> i've been thinking about it, and i haven't really decided. >> reporter: and that is a common sentiment here. people who say they are still confident ted cruz will get the nomination but don't know what they will do if he doesn't.
>> it's more likely that i would not vote for donald trump if my back was against the wall. i would just not vote at all. >> i would write in ted cruz as the write-in. as a protest. >> you were a huge ted cruz supporter. if it came down to it and donald trump got the nomination, would you vote for him? >> yes, but i'd hold my nose and hope he ain't going to blow up. >> if it's between trump and hillary, i will vote for him. >> how will you feel about that vote? >> not happy, but i think it's the best of two evils, really. >> cory brought her 15-year-old daughter to the rally. mother and daughter both angry at the trump criticisms of heidi cruz. like so many here just don't know what to do if trump wins. >> i prayed a lot about that. i don't know that i will. a lot of people say that if i don't then it's a vote for hillary clinton, but i don't know that i can vote for a man that does not represent me at all. >> would you not vote?
>> i have not yet made that decision. >> gary tuchman joins us from rothschild, wisconsin. ted cruz didn't say he wouldn't support donald trump. did any say that he should declare that he wouldn't support donald trump? >> shortly after the rally ended, i was talking to a large group of trump supporters. a couple of them said if donald trump gets the nomination and along the way apologizes to ted cruz, then maybe he should support him. and then they said, have you ever heard donald trump apologize? and they all laughed. it doesn't serve any political purpose to say i will not support donald trump no matter what. it's important for him to keep his options open. >> gary, thanks. kayleigh mcenany, tara setmayer and ana navarro joining us again. how concerned should the party
be about that right now? >> i think there's a -- i think there's a question about how very -- how real this never trump or dump trump movement is. obviously, both of these candidates, if they were to come out of convention, or if one of these candidates were to come out of convention as the nominee, they'll need to unify the party. that's why you see ted cruz reluctant to say that he would not support donald trump. even though he has been so personally critical of what he said about heidi cruz. on the other side, donald trump, if he's going to win, he has to serve as a unifying force in the party as well. i expect there's a very big, very vocal right now group of republicans that say they'll never vote for trump. but the question is, will hillary clinton, the choice between donald trump and hillary clinton, be -- could hillary clinton serve as the ultimate unifier in that question? >> kayleigh, we've seen past elections where candidates -- where candidate supporters say,
look, my candidate doesn't get it, i'm just not going to vote for the other candidate, even though they're in my party. do you believe this never trump movement will last if, in fact, trump is the nominee? >> i don't believe that because as you said, there have been past elections where we've seen the same phenomenon play out. namely hillary clinton versus barack obama in 2008. there were many people. a heated election. they said i'll never vote for obama. but we saw people coalesce around obama. hillary's supporters coalesce around obama. 33% of bernie sanders supporters say they'll never support hillary clinton. i think it's something that's more prominent among the establishment candidates than the leaders in the party who say they'll never support trump because he poses a threat to their interest. i don't think among voters that's going to be a problem. when they see the prospect of hillary taking the white house, that's will be a unifying force. >> tara, do you believe that as well? >> no, i disagree because
what -- the difference between barack obama and hillary clinton really wasn't that great when it came to ideological, democratic values. versus donald trump who does -- fundamentally does not represent a very large part of the republican voter base. he just doesn't represent me. he is not a conservative. we don't really know what he is. he changes like a political chameleon to whatever fits his needs at the time for political expediency. the fact he doesn't have conviction, it bothers a lot of people. on top of all the antics, his behavior, his errat simp with things, incoherence of foreign policy, even on economics. he's a businessman. people would think at least he can speak intelligentily about economics. he's all over the map on that. >> that's disingenuous. >> kayleigh -- >> to say he doesn't have convictions? i guarantee you if you asked voters what does donald trump stand for economically they'd
say bringing jobs back to this country. he's anti-free trade. >> yet, his -- >> within one at a time. >> they could name that. >> ana -- >> his record doesn't reflect that. he's against free trade when he makes his products or ties in mexico. he's against illegal immigration but hours a foreign workers over american workers or illegal workers to build his towers. so he's a hypocrite. >> he's not a hypocrite. >> that's a problem for a lot of people like me. >> ana, the longer this battle goes on between trump and cruz, it's not really a battle about their wives. donald trump retweeted this picture. he blames that cruz has a connection to it. cruz obviously denies that. how much does that hurt the party with women voters overall? a cnn poll from last week found 73% of female voters nationally
have an unfavorable view of donald trump. >> you know, i don't know what the fight is about. i don't know if it's about the wives. to me it's more about a fight of who can go lower. how low can you go? this is like limbo rock these guys are playing. and i think it does the party a lot of harm. it does the country a lot of harm. what we deserve as voters is a serious discussion on policy issues. the time for games is over. we started on the republican side with 17 candidates. we are down to three. one of these guys is likely our nominee. it is time that they start giving us some serious proposals that's they start showing that they have the gravitas, the knowledge, the temperament and character and stop this race to the bottom of this barrel of how bad they can be and how crass they can be. you know, i'm going to make a plea to the two wives involved
here. to melania trump and heidi cruz. i've seen you, anderson, interview melania trump. she has said to you that she's disagreed with some things donald trump has said. she didn't like it when he repeated that obscenity in that rally. and heidi cruz is a highly accomplished woman who has put her profession on hold twice to support her husband's aspirations. both these women love their husbands. both these women have shown incredible common sense and support for their husbands. get these men to act like grown-ups! >> kayleigh, donald trump has said repeatedly that as president he would be sort of different. his tone would be different. you know, that he can be whoever he wants to be. in palm beach he's one way and people view him one way. do you believe you have seen that side -- clearly you believe he's capable of that, but do you believe he needs to start doing that on the campaign trail? >> he does. we've seen it a little bit,
starting with the aipac speech. trump supporters were thrilled. we saw a president. we saw someone show up, give an articulate speech with a lot of great points for which he got standing ovations. likewise when he was interviewed with "the washington post" and "the new york times" this weekend on foreign policy. we see that donald trump. ben carson has spoken to this. he's seen that donald trump. that's the donald trump i want to see tomorrow at the town hall. it's the donald trump we will see. and it's a donald trump that can beat hillary clinton and take the white house. he has that ability and we'll see that more. >> kevin, can a candidate say, i can be one thing as president but on a campaign it's a different thing? or is the whole point of a campaign to get voters to see who you actually are and how you would actually govern? >> i think on the one hand, campaigns are very high stakes tests of character. i think personally, i believe that donald trump has failed on that, whether it's what he says about women or how he's talked about folks who are disabled.
and/or also how he's talked about john mccain who is a patriot and a prisoner of war. on the other side of it, it's your vision and whether or not you understand the stakes and have a very detailed plan for your vision for the country. and some of how the country would overcome some of the challenges we face. if you look at those two transcripts from the two interviews he did on national security, which is a very central issue in this campaign, they were just full of nonsense. to "the washington post" and "new york times." it is somebody who looks like they are talking about really big issues just off the cuff. so i think -- >> what was nonsense, kevin? if you're going to say -- >> let him finish his thought. >> what they are going to ask for is him to move beyond this bumper sticker rhetoric and offer detailed plans for what he'd do. i don't think anybody has seen that to this point. and those transcripts for a lot of people who care about those issues would find them very troubling. >> we're going to talk more
about that in our next block. thank you. just ahead, more on that interview that kayleigh and kevin just mentioned and what we learned from it whether it's letting japan and south korea build nuclear weapons. new insight into how donald trump might conduct hums imself the leader of the free world. we'll talk to one of the correspondents who interviewed donald trump. also the chain of events that brought washington to a tense standstill earlier today. if you're going to make a statement... make sure it's an intelligent one. the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. what if we invented a paint that's not only in the top of its class but lets you breathe as deeply as this or this
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supporters tell us they like what donald trump stands for. he's yet to fully specify what he stands for in specific public policies, especially when it comes to foreign policy. that's not until he spoke at length on friday with maggie haberman and david sanger from "the new york times." david sanger joins us along with our political analyst david gergen. remarkable interview. one of the headlines that's come out of it that the trump doctrine is essentially america first. did you feel this time he gave more specifics to back up what he would do as president? that's always one of the challenges in talking to him and pinning him down on specifics. >> anderson, i'm not sure that he gave a lot of specifics about what he would do, but we were able to probe him on a lot of areas that have not been discussed so far in the foreign
policy part of the campaign. if you think about donald trump on foreign policy, you think build the wall, bar muslims who are not u.s. citizens, at least temporarily. you think about some of his pronouncements about how to prosecute the war on isis. we hadn't heard him before on china, other than on trade issues. we hadn't really pushed him on the question of what would happen if he pulled back from support for troops in japan? and i said to him at one point, you know, if you do that, the japanese are much more likely to go seek nuclear weapons of their own. they don't believe our nuclear umbrella is going to cover them. he said he was quite open to that. there are a lot of people who would suggest the united states has spent 50 years trying to prevent a nuclear arms race in asia and that probably wouldn't contribute to that goal. we pressed him for the first time, i think, on the iran deal
and what he would actually seek rather than just how he would renegotiate it. so that was the objective here. sometimes it was satisfying. sometimes it rambled on. >> a lot of times it seems to boil down to a question of negotiation with donald trump. that's how he sort of, i think he pointed this out, frames everything as -- >> the art of the deal. >> yeah. >> everything is a deal. and it usually revolves around economics. what i found striking in the beginning was the parallels between donald trump's view of the world and the evolving views of barack obama. he criticized the free riders, that they ought to be paying up. particularly criticized the saudis, and they are up in arms about it. he criticized the europeans. here along comes trump and he's saying the same thing except does it with a sledgehammer. he takes a hammer to our closest friends in the world. it's rattled foreign ministers
around the world. i just came back from the middle east. they are very, very alarmed in the gulf states about what they see emerging with trump. >> it's also interesting, david sanger. donald trump -- you talked about being unpreductable and that he wants other nations to view him as unpredictable or think he's unpredictable. he sees that as an asset. >> he does, and i mentioned in the story, this is something he has in common with richard nixon who always viewed that as an asset in his presidency and certainly some things like the opening with china were a giant shock to our allies and took americans by surprise. to pick up on david's very interesting point here, i think that the analysis of what has gone wrong is common with some things we've heard president obama say, particularly about saudi arabia. if you go back to what bob gates, the former defense
secretary said about nato and the fact that after, with many people coming up that don't remember the cold war, who are now voting, there is a risk that they wouldn't understand the return on investment in nato. i think you heard much of that from trump. what is different here is that there are prescriptions about how you deal with that are entirely different so that mr. trump, for example, was suggesting that we threaten to xloot completely pull out of nato. he was suggesting we threaten if japan doesn't provide more support, although they already provide most of the support for troops there that we completely pull out of that. it a different understanding, anderson, of alliances. it's very transactional, where, in fact, our forward presence around the world provides significant benefit to the u.s. in intelligence, in early warning, in an ability to project power far from our shores. >> it's interesting, david
gergen, i think with other candidates, if you ask something that maybe they weren't so familiar with, they might say, you know what, i'm -- bernie sanders has said to me several times, or once or twice, i have to think more about that. or i'm not quite sure about that. donald trump seems willing to kind of trust free associate or say what comes in to his head and maybe letter sort of fleshes it out a little more. >> that's a good point. and i think that can work on the domestic scene because everyone knows we have this rough and tumble. but on the international scene, it's usually -- diplomacy is really conducted by people who are very careful, very thoughtful, very subtle, and they spend a lot of time trying to figure out what the best answers are. if you want to cite richard nixon, he was a student of international affairs for, you know, from 1940 to 1950 until the time he was elected in 1968.
donald trump just wanders in and thinks he can pop off about anything. that causes fears overseas. there's a reason why the economist when it came out with a list of the top ten threats to the world's stability and security said david trump is a nominee. he'd be on the list. he would be on the list. it's incumbent upon him to be more serious about the responsibilities that come. it's like putting somebody in charge of the fed and having them just sort of go off any time you want. it would totally unsettle the markets. you want somebody in the presidency who speaks with more thought, more precision. peep around him that you can respect and rely on. so far he's just ignored that set of standards we've had and acts as if american foreign policy for the last 50 years, which has been largely successful and the international order we've helped create, we just blow it away and start all over. >> yet, to a lot of his supporters, that off the cuff style seems authentic.
>> to embrace the title of america first, i'm not sure he's forgotten, but before the second world war there was a group called america first. they tried to keep us out of war. charles lindbergh headed it up as a spokesman. 800,000 members, but it was all about not intervening. think if they had been successful? >> david gergen, david sanger, thank you. donald trump's world view will be on display tomorrow night in milwaukee at our cnn town hall. he'll be taking questions from the audience. so will ted cruz and john cause it kasich. bernie sanders riding a wave of caucus victories over the weekend and calling for another debate. we'll be right back. so when your symptoms start...
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the delegate count. jeff zeleny has the latest. >> with your help, we're going to win right here in wisconsin. >> reporter: riding high after three big weekend wins, bernie sanders is trying one more time to stop hillary clinton. the winds of their still hot democratic primary fight are blowing towards wisconsin. sanders says momentum is on his side after sweeping washington state, alaska and hawaii. but the math remains with clinton who is eager to focus on the battle ahead with republicans. she focussed on the supreme court and consequences of the election. >> what kind of justice would a president trump appoint? or for that matter, what's kind of attorney general? what kind of lower court judges? >> reporter: in pledge delegates based on voting results, she holds an advantage of 237, but her biggest edge comes in
superdelegates, those promises from party leaders who overwhelmingly support clinton. the bottom line, the clinton campaign has the upper hand. sanders hopes a win in wisconsin, where he started planting a flag at one of his first mega rallies last summer, could shake up the race. on cnn's" state of the union," sanders told jake tapper the outcome is still far from certain. >> the momentum is with us. a lot of these superdelegates may rethink their position with secretary clinton. a lot of them having not yet declared. and then superdelegates in states where we win by 40 or 50 points. i think their own constituents are going to say to them, hey, why don't you support the people of our state. vote for sanders. >> reporter: sanders is challenging clinton to another debate in new york before the april 19th primary. >> i would hope very much that as we go into new york state, secretary clinton's home state, that we will have a debate, new york city, upstate, wherever, on the important issues. >> reporter: there's no
agreement yet. >> senator sanders doesn't get to decide when we debate, particularly when he's running a very negative campaign against us. >> reporter: the clinton campaign is treating sanders with a gentle touch. they need his supporters if she wins the nomination. but the acrimony becomes clear at the mere mention of her name. >> secretary clinton who receives millions of dollars from wall street. >> jeff, is the clinton campaign concerned about sanders now? certainly after this weekend, you know, he did extraordinarily well. >> anderson, not concerned about winning the nomination necessarily but they are concerned about a couple of other things. a clinton rally is wrapping up in milwaukee. they are concerned about the money it's going to cost to advertise in new york, one of the most expensive places around. also concerned about the time. the time hillary clinton has to devote to focussing on bernie sanders. she wants to focus on donald
trump now. she wants to be unifying this party. bernie sanders in the eyes of one adviser is a distraction. but someone they have to keep their eyes on because he is winning and could well win here next week in wisconsin. >> jeff zeleny, thanks. joining me van jones who served in the obama administration, angela rye, former director of congressional black caucus. the fact that sanders had such a great weekend. also no one was really surprised, white voter caucus states. is any of this enough to change the trajectory of the race which favors clinton? >> from a mathematical point of view it looks daunting, but at the same time, they are separated by about 230 delegates. there's 200 superdelegates out there unpledged. just superdelegates. you have california still sitting out there in june. 475 delegates. if he does -- if he pulls off a michigan miracle in california, he can do a lot of damage there.
so there's still reason to hope and that's why sanders supporters are so frustrated they keep hearing this drum beat, you guys should sit down. you are done, you can't get there. they still see hope and want the respect of having pulled this thing this far along from a message campaign to a movement campaign. >> angela, senator sanders argues if he continues to do well, some of the democratic superdelegates who are pledges to hillary clinton may rethink that, if they believe he has momentum and could actually win. >> so, yeah, and i hear him saying that. i think the hard part about it is for the most part, superdelegates are elected officials in the house and senate. they are also state elected officials. but for the most part, the ones who are influential in this space, we're talking about u.s. senators who he served with for quite some time and house members who he served with for some time. one of the things you hear from them is that they didn't really work with bernie sanders as much. particularly my former boss.
they never had his support on a congressional black caucus budget which, of course, we know often is just as progressive, if not more so, than the congressional progressive caucus budget. they haven't seen a lot of things where they work with him on racial justice or criminal justice reform. they don't have that record of partnership with bernie sanders. so i don't see a lot of them flipping at all. >> van, what about the tone from the clinton campaign, about, well, concern about bernie sanders tone and some of the rhetoric that continues against hillary clinton and saying why should there essentially be another debate if he uses that kind of a tone. is that fair? >> well, i mean, hillary clinton, secretary clinton is sort of in a catch-22. there are two kinds of sanders supporters. some who saw him always as a message candidate to pull her further to the left to get the issues introduced. those people are very much proud
of what he's been able to achieve. they will flip to hillary clinton very easily. there's another set of sanders supporters that's say, no, we really don't trust her. we don't believe her. we believe only bernie can do thus. she's in a catch-22. if she hits him too hard she can drive those folks out of the party. if he doesn't hit back at all, those people can continue to cause her problems. she has to deal with the hard-core bernie sanders sanders. at the same time, i want to say, the tone has been nasty sometimes coming from hillary clinton. she accused hum of supporting the minute men militia. she's accused h ed him of some stuff. i hope both sides can keep it as civil as possible. >> angela, what do you make of tone? >> this tone has been a cakewalk this season compared to 2008 in the party. so i don't that's been as aggressive at all. i thought it was interesting that tone would even come out to play for a potential debate.
the more opportunities they have to get out there and talk about the distinctions in their positions, the better. whether or not bernie sanders stays in and is pulling off a miracle and becoming the democratic nominee, there's more opportunity they have to vet his positions as well as for hillary clinton. she needs to get her positions out there. >> angela rye and van jones, thank you. what we're learning about the suspect shot by police inside the visitors center of the u.s. capitol after he appeared to show a weapon, say authorities. i love to take pictures that engage people
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more now on tonight's breaking news. a security scare at the u.s. capitol. rattled tourists caught in the chaos. a suspect known to police is in custody, shot during the incident. all this happened in a building designed to protect the capitol from shooters. brian todd has the latest. >> reporter: a chaotic scene in the heart of washington as visitors to the u.s. capitol run for shelter. >> we heard get out, get out, there's an active shooter. we all ran out. went outside of the building. police escorted us. most stressful experience i've had in my life. >> reporter: the incident
sparked by a lone gunman. tourists and capitol staffers were ordered to shelter in place. >> i saw everybody acting a little nuts, and then i saw a policeman coming through and officers coming out in a row. just like sprinting don. they are going, move it get out of the way. i figured something is going pop. >> reporter: a female by stander was wounded by shrapnel. >> an adult male subject entered the north screening facility in the capitol visitors center. during routine administrate of screening, the individual drew what appeared to be a weapon and pointed it at officers. an officer fired and struck the suspect who was subsequently treated by medical personnel. the suspect was taken into custody and transported to the hospital for treatment. >> reporter: capitol police say the suspect acted alone and was known to authorities as a frequent capitol grounds visitor. this comes as tourists from around the country have flocked to d.c. during the popular spring season. >> with the updates they gave us
updates, and they were very congenial to us, very hospitable and made us feel safe. >> reporter: this vehicle behind me, this dodge ram pickup with tennessee pleats has been confirmed by police to be owned by the suspect. according to two law enforcement sources who spoke to cnn, he's identified at larry russell dawson. and according to court documents he disrupted the house of representatives chamber in october 2015, loudly stating to congress he was a prophet from god. he's identified as a 66-year-old man from tennessee. brian todd, cnn, washington. >> things could have ended much differently today if the suspect hadn't been taken down so quickly, say authorities. joining me is former nypd officer dan bonngino. the fact that this guy pulled a weapon at the capitol, was shot, and there were no more serious injuries to bystanders or law enforcement, it's amazing. could have gone a whole different way. >> yeah, a pat on the back to
the capitol hill police officers. a situation like this you have two things to worry about if you are a police officer. drawing your building in a force on force situation which this clearly was. no way to know what's kind of gun this was, real gun or fake gun. first the actual mechanics of doing it. second the target discrimination. to engage with that target and not hit innocent bystanders, you know, this thing ended about as well as you can expect from a situation with such tragic circumstances. >> this guy was known to law enforcement. he was issued to stay away by d.c. superior court ordering him to stay away from capitol grounds. something like that, i would imagine it's hard to enforce when you have a capitol which part of the idea is that it's open to the public. that it's accessible to the public. >> right. and a major american metro politan center. i remember being a secret service agent and you'd have the old polaroid pictures. on the back would be a sdrip description of what we'd have,
lookouts or do not admits. do not admit this person into the event. it's almost impossible to detect. it's just -- you'd have to be so good as discriminating facial characteristics that it almost defies human physiology. you are correct. it does serve one person that's your listeners should understand. when you have this list of people who are potentially going to be violent in the capital or white house. we had this in the secret service as well. it enables you to reach out to family members and do the soft work of policing. we know this subject may have an issue with us for whatever reason. reach out to fuus if you see anything unusual. that happens all the time in law enforcement. you'd be surprised how many good tips you get from family members who don't want anything like this to happen. >> i've had some experience with stalker-type people. often the law enforcement people have been -- they domain tain relationships with the family members of these people and keep abreast of their whereabouts based on family members.
>> oh, absolutely. we had one particular threat case to the president that was decades long on long island in new york when i was a young agent in their office. and the family members there were an absolutely invaluable asset. they had no interest in the individual being hurt either. they would give us information consistently. >> dan bongino, always good to have you on. appreciate it. coming up, the devastation in pakistan. christian families gathered in a park celebrating easter sunday when a bomb exploded killing at least 72 people. many of them children. what we know about the attack and who is behind it, next. it'ss also my passion. but with my back pain i couldn't sleep... so i couldn't get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12-hour strength of aleve... for pain relief that can last into the morning.
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christians, what more do we know about them? >> they split from the main taliban about a year and a half ago. one of the reasons for that is that u.s. drone strikes have been effective at taking out the leadership of the pakistani taliban. the new leaders have not been as unified. so you have this splinter group that's come off. at one point it was rumored that they were going to be close to isis. then they said, no, they are going back to support the reality. the reality is, they have gone off on their own. their track record is attacking christian targets. indeed, in the past month, the beginning of march, they appeared to go after americans, pakistani nationals working out of the consulate traveling in the tribal border region. so this is an organization typically that has gone after soft targets, typically christian targets but also
reacting with a very strong message. anderson? >> do we know why the timing of this? was there a specific reason? >> part of it seems to be a message to the government. lahore is really the heartland of the ruling party, the government seat of power. that's where the prime minister is from. his brother is governor there. they said in this attack they were going after christians but it's a message to the government that this is the beginning of a campaign. the government has been claiming successes against the pakistani taliban, against the splinter group as well inside the tribal border region. its offensive has been under way there since the horrific attack against school children and a school in december 2014, more than 150 school children gunned down in cold blood. the government's message to the people is we are winning the
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