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device. >> very worrisome indeed. thanks very much. that's it for me. thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront next, breaking news. a stunning reversal for donald trump after saying women who have abortions should be punished. he's now done a 180. can the frontrunner afford to stand by his man? it's neck and neck for clinton and sanders in wisconsin according to polling. let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, the breaking news. donald trump raising a firestorm of controversy late today over abortion. the gop frontrunner scrambling to explain his initial response to a controversy question. the question is whether abortion
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should be completely banned. if it is completely banned, the question was, should women who have an illegal abortion be punished? well, trump, after a lot of pressing, initially said there should be some punishment for the woman, setting off a wave of criticism from democrats and republicans. he made a stunning reversal. the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon the woman would be held legally responsible not the woman. the woman is the victim in this case as is the life in her womb. my position has not changed. ted cruz saying once again donald trump demonstrating hasn't seriously thought through the issues. sort of a stunning day how quickly this developed under all that pressure. donald trump saying, yes, the woman would be punished, then having to do a very big reversal. >> reporter: that's right, erin. this is potentially very
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damaging for donald trump. after all, the wisconsin primary is just a few days away. this is a state where conservative catholics are a crucial voting block. only to walk it back hours later. his comments came during an interview with msnbc earlier today when he said women who undergo abortion should be punished if the procedure were ever made illegal. here's more of what he had to say in that interview. >> should the woman be punished for an abortion? this is not something you can dodge. if you say abortion is a crime or murder, you have to deal it with under the law. should abortion be punished? >> people in certain parts of the republican party would say, yes, they should. >> do you believe it? yes or no. >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman?
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>> yes. >> how many years? >> i don't know. >> you take positions on everything else. >> i do take positions on everything else. it's a very complicated position. >> donald trump did that complete 180. something we don't see often from the gop frontrunner. he's saying it's the doctors that should be punished, not women. that came moments after the trump campaign spokeswoman hope hix released a statement saying this is an issue that should be left for the states. it was evolution after evolution, reversal, a shift on this very hot button topic throughout the course of this afternoon. this candidate was very pro-choice back in 1999. the condemnations were coming in very swift. hillary clinton, bernie sanders, john kasich all slammed it. donald trump did something many candidates cannot do and he united the pro-abortion rights side with the anti-abortion rights side in saying that
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trump's comments were wrong. there's no other way to describe this. this was a gaffe today for donald trump. >> it was and he had to come out and correct it. something he doesn't like to do. outfront now, former republican presidential candidate ben carson. dr. carson, you just heard the exchange involving donald trump. you've heard his clarification coming out now and saying the abortion provider would be held legally responsible, not the woman. the woman is a victim. what do you make of that clarification? >> well, as i've said before, i agree that the woman is the victim. she's traumatized emotionally in and in many other ways and that's problematic. in terms of who should be punished, that woman has already been punished. if it has become illegal, then obviously the person performing the abortion is the person who
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is breaking the law. a determination needs to be in made in terms of whether that's a civil penalty or something more severe and whether that requires a fine or rather it requires something more severe. those are things that would have to be worked out if we ever came to a point where it became illegal. >> this all happened in the space of just a couple hours this afternoon. first, he said the woman. then he said, no, not the woman. the abortion provider. the woman is a victim. can a president reverse himself so quickly on such a fundamental issue? >> well, bear in mind i don't believe that he was warned that that question was coming, and i don't think he really had a chance to really think about it. that happens very frequently. what you develop with experience is how to answer that in a way
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that is not definitive. you know how politicians are. he hasn't really learned that because he's not a politician, but he has now had time to come back and think about it and to talk with his people about it and come up with a more rational and informed-type of answer. >> when he first came out saying the woman should be punished, he was resoundly criticized by john kasich, ted cruz, hillary clinton, bernie sanders. then when he issued this statement, ted cruz came out with a response to that. once again, donald trump has democr demonstrated that he hasn't seriously thought throug the issues and he'll say anything. do you think ted cruz has a point, that ted cruz is right here? >> well, i would only be surprised if one of the
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contestants had something nice to say about the other's response. that is politics. any time you get an opportunity to throw a jab at your opponent, they do so. that was not my philosophy when i was running, but that's the philosophy of most of them. >> in the past, all of them have pledged to support the eventual nominee. you were on that list. you decided to endorse donald trump. here on cnn all of them refused to commit to that pledge, refused to commit to backing the eventual republican nominee. should they reconsider? >> well, they need to start thinking about, you know, the republican party, the republican brand, and what happens if they, as people in leadership positions, take positions that help to destroy the unity in the party. what are the consequences of that? i'm sure that a lot of people on
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the other side are absolutely delighted to see this. they couldn't wish for this any their wildest dreams, but at some point the republicans have got to stop this self-destructive behavior, which they always seem to engage in no matter how much of an advantage they have. >> they've got to stop the self-destructive behavior, but it continues. donald trump said last night on cnn he doesn't care if ted cruz supports him. here's how he put it. >> i don't want him to be tormented. i don't want his support. i don't need his support. >> nearly 6 million people have cast votes for ted cruz already, dr. carson. can trump really afford to tell cruz and his supporters he doesn't care, he doesn't care about 6 million people? >> i certainly wouldn't do that if i were running as a candidate, but the fact of the matter is all of the candidates
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need to stop and be pragmatic here and ask themselves is this a matter of their ego, are they really concerned about the future of the country, are they just concerned about obtaining a position. if they ask themselves that question and answer it honestly, i think they might be led to do the right things. i know that's asking a lot of a politician. i do realize that. >> i appreciate your time. >> thank you, erin. pretty tough comments for ted cruz and donald trump, the man he has endorsed. outfront now, gloria borger. i want to start with this reversal of position now. stunning how quickly donald trump had to reverse his position. you heard ben carson saying, well, it happened because he's not used to this. he was being pressed and pressed. got forced into it. it's a lack of experience was the excuse he gave for donald trump. will this cause lasting damage?
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will people buy that excuse? >> i think what was very clear -- first of all, i don't know if people are going to buy the excuse. we're going to see in coming days and in the wisconsin primary. i think what's very clear -- and you listened to dr. carson about this. this is not an issue that donald trump has thought deeply about over the years. the irony of this, to me, was that donald trump was trying to appeal to pro-life conservative voters, maybe those catholic voters in the state of wisconsin, in his answer. with his answer, he managed to alienate the entire pro-life movement because he hasn't really been read in on it. i think this is an issue we see over and over again with him on all sorts of things. >> right, right. well, if it's illegal, i guess he was thinking, well, somebody has to be to blame and didn't think through exactly what he was going to say. then later it's the abortion
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provider. what does this mean for women v voters? nearly 3/4 of registered female voters unfavorable to donald trump. does a comment like this alienate more women? >> i think what you see is a cascade of issues regarding women, right? you have the heidi cruz issue. you have the corey issue. you have the never trump movement spending millions of dollars in advertising, using trump's own words about women against him. at a certain point you reach critical mass perhaps, okay? what we've seen is that while trump still has a 59% favorable rating among republican women, we see that that number has decreased, okay, in the last
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month or so. we see that in wisconsin he's losing to cruz among women, so the question is does it stick or is he still teflon. the signs point to the fact that something is going on there, but i can't exactly what yet or if it's definitive at all. >> well, gloria, thank you very much. just an unbelievable day on the campaign trail today. gloria mentioning trump's campaign manager, who is corey? we have a report for you coming up. plus bernie sanders making a bold prediction to me. >> look, in every poll that i've seen, including a cnn poll, we were 20 points ahead of trump. i do not believe trump is going to become president. >> new images tonight inside the brussels airport after the terror attacks as we learn of the bombers' other possible targets. (gasp) shark diving!
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tonight, donald trump refusing to bend under the growing firestorm under his campaign manager's arrest, corey lewandowski. now the white house today weighing in. >> i am confident that neither president obama nor president bush would tolerate someone on their staff being accused of physically assaulting a reporter, lying about it, and
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then blaming the victim. that is completely unacceptable behavior. >> so what really happened? and what do we know about the man at the center of this trump campaign firestorm? >> i would have loved to have fired him. it would have been much easier than talking to you about this all night long. >> reporter: donald trump standing by corey lewandowski saying you're not fired following charges of battery stemming from an incident with a reporter. >> she shouldn't have been touching me. you saw that. she was grabbing me twice. she has a pen in her hand, which secret service isn't liking. >> reporter: team trump taking the heat rather than ditching the man trump publicly praised from florida to new hampshire. >> does corey have a ground game or what? >> reporter: lewandowski defies the stereotypical campaign manager, diving into the thick
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of the fight. unlike his billionaire boss, the 42-year-old father of four grew up in the working class town of lowell, massachusetts, as he explained in an interview. >> i delivered pizzas for a place on lakeview avenue in lowell. >> reporter: he ran for state representative as a student at u mass lowell. he lost. he followed his political passion to d.c. where he had a run-in with the law. a 1999 misdemeanor arrest. lewandowski was arrested for trying to enter an office building with a pistol, a holster, and several rounds of ammo. lewandowski sued to get his seized weapon back. the lawsuit was unsuccessful. he spent four years as a part-time marine patrol officer trainee as he deepened his resume working with the coke brothers political action
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committee, americans for prosperity. trump's campaign is lewandowski's very first presidential race. chosen because they speak the same language. >> politics is a tough business, there's no question about it. if you're going to be unsuccessful, sometimes you're going to ruffle feathers. >> lewandowski drinks multiple energy drinks every day as well as styled determination. trump continues to say, yes, he is an unorthodox man, but that's exactly what this campaign may want. >> thank you very much. pretty interesting for so many people to learn about the man at the center of this. outfront now, katrina pearson and doug high. let me start with you, katrina. the white house called this completely unacceptable behavior today. former staff members for both george w. bush and barack obama
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have agreed. is it acceptable? >> well, you know, the last time i checked you are innocent until proven guilty. we do know that politicians of past, like mr. trump has said, are quick to discard people who may cause them some political fallout. at the same time, i'm also hearing a lot of praise for mr. trump for not ruining a man's life just because all of the opposition, hashtag never trump, want mr. lewandowski gone. he will beat these charges and be a part of this campaign. >> i can tell you as a staffer i would have been fired. i would have fired somebody who had done that, but it's ultimately about donald trump. what we see is the person who has made a trademark of the phrase, you're fired, claiming to be the stalwart of loyalty on this.
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essentially saying a woman wanted it. just today on abortion he said we're going to send people to jail. no, we're not going to send them to jail. he's pro-life. he's pro-choice. we really don't know. ultimately, it's all about the candidate. if you watch donald trump closely, you're likely to get whiplash. >> there's a couple of things wrong. there's a couple of things wrong with that statement considering that, yes, mr. trump will fire people when they're not doing their job. corey lewandowski in fact is doing his job. mr. trump is leading the republican party. so i understand when other candidates want mr. lewandowski gone, but i will talk about with regard to abortion, yes, he made a statement today and came out immediately and clarified. mr. trump is pro-life with exceptions. this was also a progressive journalist question they always ask pro-life candidates. there are states who say if you harm a pregnant woman you are
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also harming her fetus. mr. trump came out and said he did not mean to say women, but the practitioner. not making the distinguishing factor is why he issued the clarifying statement. >> but when he was asked -- you're right. it was a two-minute back and forth. there was a lot of pressure. then he was asked very clearly, punishment, yes, of the woman, yes. he did say that. you heard ben carson saying, well, maybe he didn't have time to think about it or he wasn't ready for the question. this is a gop primary. this is a hot button issue. he should be ready for that question. >> you're right. it was a discussion over a hypothetical concept. again, he was definitely talking about someone breaking the law. at the end of the day, it was a question about the legality, which is why he said yes someone should face punishment. the only thing he didn't do was distinguish the difference between whether the woman or the practitioner -- so when the
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question was asked should the woman be punished, he said yes because somebody should be punished when there is something illegal. he came out with a clarifying statement saying the practitioner, not the woman. there is no policy reversal. mr. trump doesn't have a policy on banning abortions. >> quick response to you, doug. then i want to ask a question about corey lewandowski. >> mr. trump doesn't have a policy on abortion is probably what the trump campaign wants people to think. normally you would get rid of a staffer because they're a distraction. donald trump wants distractions so we don't realize as we talked about the pope for a day and then the apple boycott for a day and then riots for a day. it's another distraction because his campaign doesn't want people to know that the emperor not only have any clothes, he doesn't have any substantive answers. >> in the video, you can see it
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is hardly to tell exactly what happened. was the reporter trying to reach for mr. trump, as he says? donald trump is arguing with her over what really happened. let me play for you what he said today about why the reporter, in his view, is not telling the truth. >> she said -- this is an exact quote. i was jolted backwards. she yanked me down. she didn't go to the ground. she didn't almost fall to the ground. i was able to maintain by balance nonetheless, but i was shaken. >> katrina, why is it worth it for him to go to this granular level, to go down to the ground with this one? >> it's not necessarily down to the ground. he's just stating the facts. we hear media coverage 24/7 on things like this where the facts aren't being reported. this woman is saying that a father of four small children grabbed her and tried to throw
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her to the ground, erin. that is a very serious charge. it did not happen that way. that's all mr. trump is doing. he is fighting back for his employee doing his job. this was a press scrum. this type of thing is not unusual. >> doug, a quick final word to you. is there something to be said for donald trump's loyalty? >> the people who are trump supporters are already loyal to him. they're not going anywhere. that's clear. but what this does is distracts yet again from the fact that donald trump had two disastrous interviews on foreign policy. he's incapable of stepping into the commander and chief role, so let's focus on pen bomb that is the reporter may have. >> thank you both very much. >> donald trump is the only candidate that sat down for 100 minutes to talk about foreign policy and no one else has. >> fair point on that. thank you both very much. outfront next, sanders and clinton neck and neck in
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wisconsin. could sanders pull off another upset? cruz leading donald trump by double digits there.
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new tonight, a brand-new poll showing hillary clinton and bernie sanders neck and neck heading into next week's crucial primary in wisconsin. according to the polls, sanders has a slight lead. that advantage, though, is within the margin of error in this particular poll. i spoke to senator sanders and asked him about the fact that wisconsin's primary is an open contest. that means he and donald trump could be competing for the same voters. >> some union workers we understand here are deeply considering whether they should vote for you or donald trump. do you think they're crazy? what do you say to people making that choice. >> i think we'll get a majority of the union workers. there is a lot of anger in this country. a guy is asking why he's having to work longer hours for lower
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wages. his mother is worried about the future of their children. yet almost all new income and wealth is going to the top 1%. people are angry. >> you just got here from wisconsin. you've spent a lot of time there. sanders is saying he's going to win the union vote. donald trump will get some, but he'll get the vast majority of them. but it is a significant amount of voters in wisconsin. what are you hearing from those voters? >> the voters are saying they don't trust hillary clinton because of her past support of all these trade agreements. she still owns the nafta thing. people resent them for that. it's more complicated than that, but when it is boiled down they like what bernie sanders is saying. bernie sanders and donald trump, if you attend their rallies and talk to voters, there are more similarities than you would think. the anger is being channelled in different ways. bernie sanders is appealing to a lot of those voters. the question is how many are traditional democrats who think
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i'll vote for hillary clinton because i'm a tried and true democrat. i talked to a union official in madison the other day. he said there's a lot more crossover than you think. not a lot of national ones are endorsing this one. this is one of those key places a democrat has to win. >> to determine the entire election. >> yeah. >> pledged delegates, you see that poll with bernie sanders ahead but within the margin of error. clinton overall pledged delegates just slightly ahead. 1259 to sanders at 1020. that is tight. wisconsin is 86. you can see why wisconsin really matters. what is the sanders' campaign saying to you about the math, the delegate math? >> the math is still difficult for the sanders' campaign. he's in closing ranks with those big wins last weekend. they're almost going to split them. bernie sanders needs to win by big, big margins. in california, for example, he
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would have to win by double digits. more than that to get over her in pledged delegates. the really only chance mathematically is to do well in wisconsin and do well here in new york. that is the next place, but the math is still a very, very big challenge. he would have to have some of those pledged delegates to come over at the end of the day. >> the superdelegates are so crucial. a lot of them were behind hillary clinton before anybody voted. they can switch. some of them did with barack obama. some being the operative word, but the sanders' campaign i know is saying to you that they have a lot of them who are ready to switch. do they and why are they waiting then? >> there's been a trickle. there's not been a ground swell. i think this is different than 2008. in 2008 some did switch. john lewis an example. i can't be on the wrong side of history. that argument is not the same this time. being with hillary clinton is not being on the wrong side of history. you can argue it's being on the
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right side of history being the first woman president. unless he wins the voting total, you can make the argument how can you go against the will of your constituents. it's designed to keep the establishment candidate in place. >> thanks very much, jeff zeleny, who has been on the campaign trail. outfront now, a bernie sanders' supporter and our political commentat commentat commentator, a hillary clinton supporter. within the margin of error, obviously thisould be after the hat trick we saw this weekend of wins for bernie sanders a real big momentum boost as jeff is alluding to. should the clinton campaign be concerned? >> no, not at all. i think first of all, you can't take away anything from what bernie sanders was able to do this past weekend, but bernie
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sanders has an extremely high bar. he can't win close in wisconsin because the states that are next are very treacherous for him. you have new york. you have the district of columbia. you have other states along the way that are very diverse. bernie sanders has to prove he can win in those states and excel in those states by large margins. >> if that comes down to that union vote, that big 20% of the wisconsin vote, some of that could go for trump. sanders saying he's going to get the vast majority of it, but this is crucial, right? he's got to do this. when you look at michigan where he pulled off that big win, you had a win of 49% to 46% for union household. it was tight, but he did it. he won those union households. he has to do it again. >> was that for me? >> yes, it was, jonathan. >> we have to remember that lots of union households particularly
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in the public sector remember what scott walker did to unions. i think they're more likely to go for bernie sanders and his economic message. the fact there's a rigged economy, the trade agreements that have hurt people dramatically in wisconsin around the rust belt, trade agreements that hillary clinton has consistently supported, which have cost people their jobs, i think that's going to play very well for bernie. i think we're doing very well there. the momentum is with us. i'm going out there in a couple of days replacing jeff out on the trail. >> hillary clinton has been attacking bernie sanders every time she can saying his plans don't add up financially. his health care. the case of free public college tuition. i asked bernie sanders point blank about her attacks on this. he didn't dispute it. here's how he answered the question. >> now what secretary clinton is says is that scott walker may not go along with that.
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but you know what happens to the state of wisconsin? california will, vermont will, states all over this country will, and young bright people will be leaving wisconsin. i think the people of wisconsin will tell scott walker, this will be a disaster for the future of our state. because when kids leave, sometimes they don't come back. >> that was a pretty powerful argument in the sense that he said, looks, he's going to be forced to do it. you'll have a brain drain if you don't. >> but what happens to those kids who can't leave? what about those small community colleges and historically black community colleges? what about in florida and ohio? we know rick scott and john kasich aren't going to contribute the money for kids to have free college. what are we saying to them? it's very practical to say because california is going to do it and vermont is going to do it people are going to leave the state and this is going to be a brilliant idea. it has so many holes it in that it is impractical.
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i would love nothing more to say we could have free college, but sayi ining other states are goio do it and young people are going to leave is impractical. >> my bernie verse exploded with a congratulations. i thought you did a great job last night. >> thank you. >> also what he said which wasn't in the clip is people will rise up in those states and demand from those governments -- i'll bet you local businesses are going to go to those governors and say, wait a minute, we need those people to be here to help our businesses. we want a highly-educated workforce. i think there'll be a lot of pressure from the private sector. >> thank you both very much. we'll see how this all plays in the polls. outfront next, wisconsin, that crucial state for the anti-trump forces. could last-ditch efforts work to stop trump with cruz leading with a double digit margin in the polls?
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wisconsin shaping up to be a crucial battleground in the fight against donald trump. the gop establishment has pulled out all the stops to stop him from winning next week's primary, and a brand-new polls shows some of those efrforts ma be working. ted cruz beating trump. >> reporter: wisconsin is shaping up as the next major batt battleground to stop donald trump. >> you're going to say your vote on april 5th was the single greatest vote you've ever made. >> reporter: the anti-trump forces are already snapping into place. >> you're listening to news radio. >> reporter: conservative voices like charlie sykes determined to deny trump a victory are sounding the alarm to republicans. >> here's the real difference to
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wisconsin. he hasn't had the air cover of the national talk show hosts. >> reporter: sykes and others have made a habit of slamming the billionaire businessman. >> to be really blunt, conservatives in wisconsin have a b.s. meter. when this blustering b inin ino comes in, they recognize that. >> reporter: if trump fails to deliver a win here, it might further expose his vulnerabilities to members of his own party that could derail his march to the nomination. >> if we don't win, it'll be keep going, keep going, see if we can get to that big number because frankly what they're doing, the establishment is trying to take it away from us.
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>> reporter: the wisconsin governor has won three elections on the back of the state's conservatives. >> god bless the great state of wisconsin. and god bless governor scott walker. >> reporter: for some wisconsin voters, like kasich fan spencer, trump isn't even an option. >> the only other choice i'd have is cruz. trump is totally unacceptable. a loose cannon that doesn't have a clue about world affairs. >> reporter: trump's candidacy so divisive that all three gop candidates are abandoning their pledge to support the eventual nominee. >> i'm not in the habit of supporting someone who attacks my wife and my family. i think that is going beyond the line. >> reporter: now, erin, one of the reasons that these people believe that donald trump could be defeated here in wisconsin is because of his weakness among female voters. they look at this latest incident, the charges brought against his campaign manager as
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well as donald trump's back and forth on abortion today, and believe these are all things that could hurt him. if you look back at that wisconsin poll we mentioned in the piece, it shows right now ted cruz is leading donald trump by 15 points among republican women here in this state. erin? >> of course, women are that crucial block. thank you so much. i want to go now to our chief political analyst gloria borger. you heard sarah talking about the poll. that's pretty stunning. so all this sounds like, whoa, this could be a huge moment, but let's take a step back for context here. donald trump has won twice as many states as ted cruz. doesn't make a difference if he wins or loses wisconsin. >> i think wisconsin does make a difference. first of all, it's 42 delegates and it is kind of a hybrid primary, which means if you win overwhelmingly a lot of congressional districts and the sate you could take them all. i think psychologically also for ted cruz this isn't friendly territory for ted cruz.
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it should be friendlier territory for john kasich. if ted cruz were to win here, that would give him the kind of momentum he needs. he's got the establishment behind him in the state, and it would give the never trump movement a reason to live and a reason to move on. >> obviously could be so crucial. we said just six days out from that crucial vote. thank you, gloria. next, we have disturbing new images tonight of the brussels airport after that terrorist attack. we have new reporting on new targets tonight. jeanne moos on trump's latest excuse me, excuse me, marathon. >> excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. let's talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. would you trust me as your financial advisor? i would. i would indeed. well, let's be clear here. i'm actually a dj. [ dance music plays ] [laughs] no way! i have no financial experience at all.
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detailed images of other government buildings throughout brussels. this, of course, race raises a lod of red flags. they believe they were actively looking at targeting these buildings. this laptop found near the spot where they believe the bombs were made is just one piece of evidence that's been rofalso be recovered. belgian authorities have analyzed the data on this hard ware for exactly this kind of information. and we now understand that some of this equipment has been sent back to the u.s. where the fbi will be doing its own analysis to try and determine whether there's more data they can retrieve that belgian authorities haven't been able to look at. >> nick paton walsh was at that apartment where the bakraoui brothers were working on that bomb. there were chemicals leaking into the apartment below. noxious smells. reports called had been made to police. this comes as we're now learning tonight that belgian authorities had been on the lookout for
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these brothers. what are you learning about that? >> the big head scratching question is why weren't they able to find these men when you point out all these red flags connected to this apartment. they were near the center of brussels. we've known the names of the bakraoui brothers were known to officials internationally, that both brothers were on this u.s. counterterrorism watchlist. ibrahim's name was added before the paris attacks. his brother khalid's name was added to the list after the attacks. even in december, we know there was an interpol red notice which was meant to intensify efforts to find khalid. investigators were not finding either of these brothers. what we're learning is in the days proceeding the brussels attacks, belgian authorities put out something of a wanted notice which they had shared with other international officials, including even nypd. it was meant to intensify the search for both of these brothers and came amidst this backdrop in which belgian authorities became concerned about the possibility of a
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terror attack in this city. again, the prevailing question now for investigators is why they weren't able to track down the brothers, who they were looking for, who were in brussels before those attacks hand. >> in plain sight. thank you alexander field live in brussels. outfront next, jeanne moos on donald trump's phrase for taking over a conversation. >> excuse me, i've raised -- >> excuse me. excuse me.
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a record night for donald trump at our cnn town hall. here's jony mose on trump using his favorite words. >> reporter: when a trump interview gets intense. >> come oan, anderson. >> a 5-year-old -- >> excuse me. you'd say that. >> you are running for president of the united states. >> reporter: hey he may sometimes sound like a little kid. >> i didn't start it. >> but that's -- >> i'm sorry, with all due respect. that's the argument of a 5-year-old. >> reporter: but a 5-year-old with manners. >> you said excuse me. you used good manners. >> reporter: and if this sounds familiar -- >> excuse me. >> reporter: that's because we first focussed on his favorite verbal weapon last summer, making this -- >> excuse me. >> reporter: the sequel. we thought it deserves a sequel when "washington post" counted 18 excuse mes in just one hour of a cnn town hall.
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>> whether or not you think it was -- >> excuse me. >> one. >> you suggested you might -- >> excuse me. i didn't suggest. >> reporter: two, three -- >> so it doesn't concern you -- >> excuse me. >> four. >> excuse me. >> five, six. >> we're supporting japan -- excuse me. >> actually, when you add them ail up -- >> excuse me -- >> 18 was an undercount. >> excuse me. >> reporter: 20. sort of makes bernie sanders' lonely single interjection -- >> excuse me, i'm talking. >> reporter: -- look like a poor excuse. maybe the donald could add a little variety. >> excuse me. >> excuse me. >> excuse moi. >> break down these cultural walls. >> even when he interrupts himself, his own story, the donald excuses himself -- >> when he says we had a big day, we won utah, excuse me, i won arizona. >> reporter: mr. trump, you are excused. >> excuse me. >> reporter: jeanne moos --
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>> excuse me. >> reporter: -- cnn, new york. >> excuse me, i didn't suggest. >> and thank you for joining us. set your dvr to record "outfront." "ac 360" starts right now. and good evening. if you think you've seen it all in this presidential primary, stay tuned and wait for the next headline to hit. all three republican presidential candidates at our town hall backing away from their signed pledge to support whoever wins the gop nomination. donald trump first advocating punishment for women who get abortions if abortions are banned. then saying the exact opposite all within hours. all without ever admitting he changed his position. on top of that, new polling out of wisconsin suggesting the winner there may not be donald trump. potentially blocking his path to sowing up the nomination before the convention, paving the way toward a floor battle unlike any seen. n that same polling spells hope