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hello again, everyone. thanks for joining me. i'm fredricka whitfield. a candid donald trump hit the campaign trail today as he and his rivals canvas the state of wisconsin two days ahead of the state's primary. trump made a pit stop at a diner in milwaukee. the frontrunner gave reporters his two cents on the delegate math needed to clinch the nomination. >> the reason it is very unfair, and i think i'll get there, i think i'll get there, the reason it is unfair is the following. when i started, there were 17 candidates. people never say this. i've never heard it said. i didn't have two candidates or four, i had 17 candidates. most of those candidates were accomplished people. you had governors, you had senators, you had people like dr. ben carson who has endorsed
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me, and is an amazing guy. you have a lot of accomplished people. you had a lot of people. the biggest field ever in the history of what we are doing. when i went to those first primary states, we had many, many people on the ballot and i won, i could win with a small, basically a small number, and the small number is a phenomenal number that you could get that much. but what's unfair is this. we had 17 candidates, the early states, so many people, one was getting 2%, one was getting 5%, 4%. and while i would win most, they took so many votes away from me. >> jason carroll is in west alice, wisconsin, where trump has an event later this evening. jason, what else was heard from trump at the diner? >> reporter: well, a number of things at the diner. as you know, fredricka, there's a great deal of concern in terms
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of whether or not his recent statements are going to hurt him among women voters, specifically statements on abortion when he said women should be punished for that, then changed his position several times on the issue. some concerns about how women voters are going to respond to that. yesterday in racine, no one has more respect for women, and says that he will do, quote, great with women. today at the diner he seemed to leave the door open with how well he would do with women. >> do you think anything over the past week and a half will hurt with women voters? >> i'll tell you, i've been doing very well with women voters. >> reporter: as you know, fredricka, trump is trailing in the polls here behind ted cruz by 10 percentage points, according to one poll. trump is not paying attention to
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any of the polls here. he says he's going to have an upset here and win here and in other states folks said he wouldn't do well. >> making comparison to new hampshire, thinking it will be similar. what about the event that's scheduled later on for donald trump, what's the format, what's expected there? >> well, another town hall like we saw in racine. the question is what will he say today, similar things like he said yesterday. he touched on abortion when he was speaking saying he feels as though there's a double standard. that's what he told the crowd in terms of the way the press treats him. he said when asked about the question of abortion, he told the crowd 50% of the time people like what you have to say, 50% of the time people don't like what you have to say. one thing you can be sure what he will touch on later today, he will talk jobs, economy, talk about building a wall.
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talk about repealing obamacare, some issues that are popular with those that support it. fredricka? >> jason carroll, appreciate that. meanwhile, we are learning more about trump's vision for life in the oh val office if elected. in a revealing 96 minute interview with "the washington post," trump laid out bold and some would describe bleak predictions. he said the country is headed for a, quote, very massive recession, that the stock market was inflated, and he could get rid of the 19 trillion dollar deficit within eight years. i think we are sitting on an economic bubble. are trump's economic predictions accurate? regardless, republican national committee chairman reince priebus says the economy is the number one thing on voters minds. >> certainly people are afraid
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in this country and they're angry with a president that hasn't delivered. whether you're on main street, whether you're in milwaukee, wisconsin or wherever you're from, things have not improved. i think when people are afraid and angry, sometimes they say things they'll regret. the truth is that people are concerned about the future and every candidate is going to communicate their message differently. >> let's talk more about this with larry sab dough, from the center of politics, and commentator jeffrey lord. good to see you both. larry, trump says he would get rid of the deficit in 8 years. and "the washington post" is saying their economists dispute that's even possible. so how bold a prediction, statement, a promise is this for donald trump? >> very bold. of course it is also ridiculous. there's zero chance, and i mean zero, that the $19 trillion
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national debt can be eliminated in 8 years, unless you want to throw the whole world into a depression, not recession. i am not an economist. i will leave that to the economists. but fred, if people want to see more about donald trump and understand donald trump better, they really should see this interview which was conducted by bob woodward of watergate fame and robert costa. it is extraordinary. i learned things about trump that i certainly never knew before. >> it is interesting, jeffrey, the willingness to do this with woodward and costa, and this comes off the heels of donald trump meeting with the editorial board just over a week ago at "the washington post" and "the new york times." what is it about the lengthy open discussion meetings with these two powerful national newspapers? >> yeah, and of course it is interesting.
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one of the interesting things about it is, of course, you can be fairly certain neither "the new york times" or "the washington post" are ever going to endorse him. it will be a sub zero colder than hell before they do that. what i suspect is that donald trump has been very open with the media and always has been. he will sit down with just about anybody and talk about his plans and his future and what he thinks, et cetera. this is what he has done here. it is remarkably interesting and candid. i think in terms of the debt he is talking about, i really do think. he has said to me personally he feels if we get to a point we are 24 trillion in debt, there's no turning back, the country can be bankrupt. he is very concerned about that. i think this comes out, not only in this particular interview but in various different policies he has been advocating, it all comes back to the debt. >> jeffrey, i would love to follow up on something you just said, the media or his
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availability, talking about he is very open. at the same time, how many times have we heard donald trump describe that the media in general is his nemesis? >> right. i would say he's also said that to me, as a matter of fact and said if he ran, couple years ago when i interviewed him for the american spectator, he said if he felt he were being treated unfairly, he would say so. criticism from candidates like mitt romney and john mccain don't do that. he is very much a believer in calling people out. he said he would do this. i have to say frankly this is a strain of thought within the republican party. i remember president bush 41 running against bill clinton. one of the slogans, annoy the media, vote bush. this kind of thing sells. newt gingrich did well on it four years ago. there's nothing in that sense unusual about it except more accent on it with donald trump. >> larry, when you go to "the
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washington post".com, you can listen more to the interview. you listen to bob woodward and robert costa talking about this conversation, bob woodward goes as far as saying it is a very dreary outlook, that's a springboard for conversation. usually you talk about or think of presidential candidates, think of their message of optimism, what they can deliver. does this come at great risk that donald trump would say, you know, this is a pessimistic view of the next 8 years? >> fred, not among his followers. part of the attraction to him is that they also have a pessimistic outlook on where the united states has gone. it is all in the slogan. make america great again. if you believe it has to be made great again, you think things
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have gone downhill. he and his followers are in sync there. the problem with trump is large numbers not among his followers disagree with that message and it is tough to meld them and his backers together. >> thanks, appreciate it. turning to breaking news out of chester, pennsylvania. two amtrak construction workers are dead, dozens of other people injured after an amtrak train carrying more than 300 people collided with a backhoe on the tracks. the leaden gin of the train derailed. joining us by phone, christine starky, she was a passenger on that train. how are you feeling, what do you remember about this? >> hi, i'm okay. i'm about to check into the hospital, after the adrenaline, feeling a little tight and
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woosy. i was in the first passenger car, the one that actually was impacted. i am not exactly sure. i think we crumpled under the pressure. if you look at a picture, you can see there's a hole. looks at if the train -- it felt like an explosion. i ended up on the ground and -- >> you were thrown from your seat? you were sitting at the time? >> i was half waking up. it looked like snow on the windows, but it was just debris. the train car sort of crumpled in. the next thing there was just metal everywhere, glasses shattered. one of the amtrak workers yelled to get on the ground. i remember reaching for my
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phone. i called my mom because the train hadn't yet stopped, the engine car in front of us had gone off the tracks, we were sort of leaning. i thought we were in the middle of it still, i expected it to get worse, then we finally stopped. i stamerred a couple words to my mother, told her what happened, hung up, and triaged the situation, saw what happened. in my train car, there were three injuries that were pretty bad. there's a physician on the train car that managed the woman hurt worst on our train car, then i dealt with an older man who had a large laceration on his arm, was on blood thinners and was confused. we wrapped his arm and held it tight until the ems got there. >> was there screaming, were people shouting, yelling anything? i know this stunned everyone as you described the older man who
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seemed for a moment in shock. audibly what was going on? >> yeah, so it was really interesting, what i noticed immediately was that people on the train, other passengers, everyone handled it very well. i heard screaming in the back of the train from other cars, the charts sort of swerved. what happened was the amtrak worker screamed everybody get off the train because it looked and smelled like it was on fire. and then almost immediately as i was dealing with this man, trying to get the glass away from him and his face, the amtrak worker retracted that, said nobody get off the train, they were worried about downed power lines. so we kind of just waited there for awhile. nobody was really sure, but mainly we were taking care of people that were bleeding pretty bad. >> my goodness. >> but like i said, i was really, really surprised by all of the passengers.
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everyone was so selfless, just taking care of people that needed help. the guy i was with was so chipper. he couldn't move because there was so much debris and sharp objects on him, he looked up at me and was like wow, can you believe this, i only have a cut on my arm. and he handed me his phone and said can you call my wife and daughter. >> this was a close call. we are sad two of the workers were impacted by that train and that backhoe, did die. some 35 people injured and we're wishing the best of all of those and to you for a speedy recovery. thanks for your time, appreciate it. back to politics after the break. bernie sanders stumping in wisconsin, making a last ditch effort after tuesday's primary. >> what this campaign is about is talking about a corrupt campaign finance system.
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welcome back. two days before voters in wisconsin cast ballots, the race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders is heating up. this morning on state of the union with jake tapper, bernie sanders renewed criticism of hillary clinton's oil and gas contributions and vowed to release tax information soon. >> you have taken $50,000 from individuals from the oil and gas industry. why is it okay for you and not for her. >> because i take money in and she takes money in from individuals, that's right, workers in an industry. nothing wrong with that. jake, that is very different from taking money from lobbyists, people who are working day and night in defense of that industry. and that has been a confusing point. workers, yes. we get money from workers in every industry in the country, so does clinton.
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but there is a difference between getting money from a worker and somebody whose job it is is to represent that industry. i believe we have to take on the fossil fuel industry. i think that their greed and willingness to acknowledge the crisis of climate change is something that has to be dealt with and i am prepared to do that. >> let's talk about taxes, specifically your tax returns. i have to say i'm kind of surprised you haven't gone further on transparency. you released the summary page of your 2014 tax returns. hillary clinton posted on her website the last 8 years of her personal returns, all the returns. before the new york primary, will you match her and post your returns the last 8 years? >> be very honest with you, you know who does our tax returns? my wife does our tax returns. we have been a little busy lately. we will get out as much information as we can. ain't going to be very much exciting in that. i get a salary from the united
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states senate. it is not anything new in it there hasn't, people haven't seen the last many years. we will get it out as soon as we can. >> nobody has seen them at all is the point. whether or not there's anything exciting in them. >> that's not true. that is not true. we have released them in the past. our financial situation, the best of my knowledge has not changed very much. we will get out all of that information as soon as we can. >> that was bernie sanders this morning on cnn's state of the union. on the other side of the aisle, it is an all out war over delegates. senator ted cruz has been making his case to wisconsin voters. if he takes wisconsin, what does that mean for frontrunner donald trump? next. people are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes with non-insulin victoza®. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar. but it didn't get me to my goal. so i asked my doctor about victoza®. he said victoza® works differently than pills. and comes in a pen. victoza® is proven to lower blood sugar and a1c.
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welcome back. i'm fredricka whitfield. so ted cruz and donald trump both campaigning in wisconsin today. the big primary there just a couple of days away. cruz just wrapped up a rally in green bay and made a joke about donald trump and the packers. >> so many lovers of liberty. so many packers fans. i'm just picturing the shy, retiring donald j. trump, back
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in the pocket. looking and jumping over the offensive line, and coming in for a sack. let me tell you, i think donald hair wouldn't stay on. >> following cruz today, it was a full room, what was the reception for ted cruz who rolled out big support with carly fiorina as well as the governor? >> reporter: that's right, fred. he had a full contingent of surrogates with him, in addition to his wife and two young daughters. i felt like senator cruz got reflective on the stage. has been anything but boring. even he couldn't have guessed some of the topics of the campaign thinking back to last year when he declared his
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candidacy. a little reflective thinking but certainly going into tuesday's wisconsin primary, the cruz campaign is feeling good, they're ahead in the polls. a big win here would go a long way in terms of delegate math, important for cruz going forward. equally important in terms of bringing their campaign momentum. we are entering a stage in the primary season where there's longer stretches between the contests. going forward, coming out of wisconsin with a firm grasp on the argument that he is the alternative to donald trump, will do a long bit of good for senator cruz's campaign. saw him make mention of this. at the end of his speech today, wisconsin, he said this is going to be a decision point. called it a decision point here going forward. he said that will resonate around the country. fred? >> so many conversations about whether endorsements matter. then you have ted cruz who according to polling is doing well, some attribute it to the
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fact that scott walker, the governor, is behind him. >> reporter: yeah. scott walker is widely popular in this state. we have seen him campaign many events since he declared earlier last week, something cruz team is touting from all corners. it is interesting, we talked to people at cruz's event, some that are not yet supporters, which shows how late in the game many voters decide to make a decision or not. here is what a few of them told us. >> senator cruz is the man who can do the job. you know, i like everything he has to say so far. i get a good passion and good feeling when i listen to him speak. i don't get that from any other candidate. >> i like his political views, his plan for where he wants to talk us as a family, as country. >> wanted to see cruz speak in person. i think that makes a difference. he comes across as remote
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sometimes on television. >> that last woman tells us that she's still undecided, she hasn't made up her mind. again, fred, shows you how late in the game so many voters decide, how many votes are on the table. senator cruz, donald trump, a lot of the candidates in wisconsin this weekend. >> thank you so much. after the break, donald trump and his latest message. how his words on the campaign trail translate to voters at home.
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him that voters can tell is going to cause trouble down the road. the mess is a warning sign, tells potential supporters to slow down, think twice. the mess might be a pattern of scrapes with the law, a series of love affairs or other scandals. voters will accept normal flawed human beings, but they don't like patterns of bad behavior. they don't like when they see a mess because they don't want to elect trouble to high office. donald trump's mess is his mouth. his indiscipline, his refusal to be serious. that's from peggy noonan. let's talk more about this. republican strategist brian morganstern, columnist and author of "the party is over" how the extreme right hijacked the gop. brian, you first. when you hear peggy noonan, who is, you know, a staunch supporter of many a conservative
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camps, big supporter of ronald reagan when he was in the white house. you know, she's talking about this overall message. she's essentially giving a warning to voters to look a little more closely about donald trump and what he is revealing. >> yeah, that's right. a couple of points. one, as we have noted over the course of the campaign, each individual incident hasn't seemed to weaken trump. when he insulted john mccain, didn't matter. insulted megyn kelly, didn't matter. second and third feud with fox, didn't matter. misstep about the kkk, didn't matter. but the accumulation of these things has lead to what you refer to as the mess, which has now left many voters in a sense exhausted. in addition to that, not just in absolute terms, driven up his negative to two-thirds of americans have a negative impression of trump. also in relative terms it has made hillary clinton who to most
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republicans is dishonest, corrupt and all of the rest, it made her seem normal. it made ted cruz who is viewed as the extreme right winger seem reasonable by comparison. accumulation of the mess left many in disbelief, struggling where to go from here. >> then earlier we saw donald trump talking about the issue that has gotten him in hot water, particularly comments as pertains to women and issues important to women. listen to this. >> do you think anything you said in the last week and a half will hurt you with women voters? >> it might. but i'll tell you i've been doing very well with women voters. >> all right. so a couple of things.
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what he is saying with doing very well and polls show diminishing support among a certain segment of women. secondly, seeing him in the diner conversing with people having orange juice. that's not the donald trump we have been seeing who is usually guarded. now we are seeing a much more interactive donald trump. what is going on in your view? >> he is becoming a candidate, politician. he is a germ foe, doesn't like to shake hands, he is doing it more now. meeting voters on a personal level. one thing hasn't changed is when there's bad news like his poll numbers with women and with minorities. his strategy is deny, deny, deny, say oh, no, i'm doing very well, just untether himself from reality and the facts. that's one thing that is consistent, but like i said, this has been quite an evolution
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we'll call it of his candidacy. this is i guess entering a new phase of what he views as presidential behavior. here is another example. more donald trump in the diner, talking to people, touching people, listening to their comments. listen to this. >> nobody wants to talk about it. >> apparently i am paraphrasing, it is hard to hear what the voter may be saying, he is happy that donald trump is talking about issues that a lot of others are not, ellis. >> well, yeah, that's the appeal. but if it takes a village of insults to sink donald trump, as peggy noonan suggests, it is hard to figure out what he's going to do about it if the fundamental problem is his mouth. that's not going to change.
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there is no other donald trump than the one we've been seeing. he is not going to shut up for the next four months. >> and let's flip the script a bit, want to talk about the latest on hillary clinton's e-mails, long time clinton aide human a abedin says she hasn't read any of the exchanges. abedin had this response to the fact that her e-mails are now public. >> terrifying. i can't even imagine what's in those e-mails, i am sure i would be -- i would probably be mortified. i have no idea. >> that came from a podcast of the interview, by the way. brian, does this add fuel to the discussion about hillary clinton, what she knew, what she didn't know, what she was revealing, what's classified, et cetera, who around her may or may not be complicit or is this
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just a moment of humanizing someone else who has been in the spotlight by association of hillary clinton. >> well, i think maybe a little of both. having gone through a lot of investigations and interviewing witnesses, i know it is very uncomfortable for a potential witness as miss abedin is to have all of your e-mails subject to scrutiny, including public scrutiny. that's a nerve wracking thing to go through. that said, when your reaction is this is going to be mortifying, bad, she probably has something in mind that isn't good for hillary. it is involved, it is a stressful situation to go through, to go through investigation as a witness, but when you know that there's bad stuff in there, that's not a good start. >> ellis? >> come on, guys.
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seriously. >> fair inference? >> no. come on, lovely human answer. wouldn't you hate someone to go through your e-mails? my god, what on earth have i said in e-mails to people. any normal human being. doesn't mean hillary is guilty of a horrible crime. no, i don't want anybody going through my e-mails, especially the justice department or congressional republicans, which is the categories we are talking about. >> ellis, brian, thanks so much. good to see you. appreciate it. have a great rest of your sunday. >> you too, fred. coming up, north carolina, mississippi, georgia, battle over the religious freedom bills. they're under pressure to repeal state law. stay with us.
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mississippi's governor has to decide whether to sign or veto a controversial new bill that critics say allows open discrimination against gay and transgender people. they passed a religious freedom bill that allows state employees to refuse to give same-sex marriage licenses. private companies, religious groups could also refuse to provide services to gay and transgender people. the mississippi governor, phil bryant, hasn't said what he will do with that bill. the bill in mississippi has similarities to a north carolina law that blocks anti-discrimination protection
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and imposes standards for single sex bathrooms. critics say it also limits the rights of transgender people in the state. nick valencia is following it in raleigh, north carolina for us. nick? >> reporter: we spoke to one of the leading voices of the transgender community in north carolina that tells us there are tens of thousands of transgender people in the state effected by the new law that requires them to use the batted room based on gender of the birth certificate, not how they identify. we spent the day with one of the transgender women that now fears for her safety now that the new law is in place. it is saturday in raleigh, north carolina, and this is a midday drag show, a fund-raiser for lbgt awareness. >> the most important thing for
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me personally is that every time i close my eyes and say a prayer and i ask my god as a person of faith how he feels, he don't seem to have a problem with it, and my parents have no problem with it. and their opinion matters to me. >> reporter: she's transgender. she says she's one of tens of thousands of transgenders in north carolina effected by the public facilities privacy and securities act, a new state law that requires trans people to use the public restroom related to the gender on the birth certificate, not how they identify. >> this law effects us, it puts us in danger, it is open discrimination. it is no different than the jim crow laws of the south. >> you look cute. >> at home, candace and her husband say now she will be required to use the men's room, they worry she will be physically assaulted or worse. >> i would say most of the
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attention is because people don't understand what the bill actually does. >> reporter: the statehouse pro tem is one of the sponsors. he says the law is not about limiting protections of the lgbt community but however not giving them special rights. >> we have lots of accommodations in the bill for those in special circumstances, but we're trying to protect reasonable expectations of privacy of 99.9% of our citizens who think when they're going into a restroom or changing room or locker room that they will be private. >> reporter: 19 surgeries, two trips to thailand, more than $100,000 later, she's post-op transgender, her birth certificate says she's a man but passable as a woman. but that doesn't make it easier.
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>> we are all living and fighting for the same thing. we all want to be accepted. we want to know we're not going to be discriminated against. >> reporter: while the pressure is mounting by many blue chip companies to have the state repeal the law, republican lawmakers in the state of north carolina don't seem to feel the pressure. you heard from represent paul stam, said threats from businesses to boycott the state are veiled threats that will never come to fruition. fred? >> nick valencia in raleigh, north carolina, thank you so much. coming up next on this ncaa championship weekend. more of my face to face interview with sir charles barkley. it wasn't just the basketball that brought him to his feet. find out what this moment was all about. but first here at cnn we recognize people who do extraordinary things. we call them cnn heroes. this week we're introducing you to marquis taylor, who is using basketball to help kids tap
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we had a blast bringing you the newsroom from houston for the final four. we lost count of how many special moments the ncaa championship weekend there were, but one that really stands out in a unique way. being with former nba power forward charles barkley, when in the middle of the face to face interview, barkley spotted a dear, famous friend. >> don johnson, what's up, my brother? >> hi. you want to join us? >> good to see you, my brother. >> how you doing? >> doing great. >> you want to pull up a seat? hi, fredricka.
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good to see you. >> yes, that don johnson, producer and actor of "miami vice" fame, shooting the breeze with fellow sports casters. barkley admits he, too, gets star struck. >> one of the cool things you like, you've seen somebody on television, they have been a big star and you get to meet them, and when they're really cool, it is spectacular. like when i meet denzel washington, like oh, my god, hang white goout. i met sean connery one time. like oh, my god. because you know, i'm a fan. like i'm a movie, i watch a lot of movies. watch tv shows, and it is one of the things of being celebrity that's cool. >> they have big expectations of people they admire. thank you for hosting that
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inspiring weekend. see all of the action tomorrow night between villanova and unc on tbs. tipoff, 9:19 p.m. i am fredricka whitfield. more straight ahead right after this. we actively manage with expertise and conviction. so you can invest with more certainty. mfs. that's the power of active management.
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this year's race for the white house might seem like one of the most contentious races
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ever. the executive producer of the cnn original series and netflix "house of cards" recently sat down with cnn dana bash. take a look. >> what motivated you to do this project, to dig into this history? >> well, i am a history buff for one, and the types of projects that i've always done are amazing minds doing amazing things, and nothing more amazing than a presidential race, no more amazing minds i think in the world than the people that run those campaigns and people that are involved in those campaigns. >> it's kind of amazing because with every election, we hear never seen it so dirty, never so intense. but it's always been like that, it is just that we know about it more because of the media. >> exactly. elections have always been dirty, that's one thing i learned, even with honest abe, the dirty tricks his campaign did that you would never think that abraham lincoln would be
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involved in something like that. you also learn that guys that were the nice guys, didn't want to go that route, they lost. >> you and kevin spacey produce "house of cards." >> yes. >> do you see parallels in that fiction versus all of the nonfiction you have been working on? >> yes, it is fascinating actually. first when we were doing "house of cards" thought maybe we are pushing too far. then watched the news, think maybe we're not pushing it hard enough. there are parallels we take from the headlines, a lot of what we incorporate into the show, while it is fictional and we push the boundaries a little further than what's probably realistic, maybe, maybe not, but yeah. we definitely -- there's definitely a lot of parallels between "house of cards" and real life politics. >> all right, dana with our dana.
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"race for the white house" tonight at 9:00 eastern time. don't miss it. thanks for being with me this weekend. i am fredricka whitfield. newsroom continues with poppy harlow in new york. hi, everyone. 5:00 eastern. i am poppy harlow in new york. so glad you're with us right now. presidential hopefuls are focused on one state, the badger state, wisconsin. the all important wisconsin primary is two days away. republican frontrunner donald trump is trailing in wisconsin polls behind senator ted cruz. the billionaire business man saying earlier his other rival, john kasich, should pull out of the race completely. trump arguing mathematically, kasich doesn't have enough delegates to secure the nomination before the convention. and trump's comments about the u.s. economy, rattling the political universe. trump telling "the washington post" in a 96 minute interview that the united states is headed for a, quote, very mas


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