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that crucial day tomorrow. anderson cooper "360" starts right now. good evening. we begin with breaking news. this network and the two democratic candidates have reached agreement on another cnn debate. it's going to take place in new york city on the 14th, just five days before the primary in new york. wolf blitzer will be moderating. it's a fitting capper to a very full day in the run-up to tomorrow's wisconsin primary. donald trump telling john kasich, hit the road jack. get out of the race. asking supporters to tell him, seal the nomination. governor kasich calling ted cruz senator smear, telling him and trump to get over it and put aside the personal attacks and prepare for contested convention in cleveland. senator cruz with a late-night rally in waukesha, wisconsin, saying there will only be two candidates left by then. himself and donald trump. trump also has a late event in milwaukee which is happening practically right next door to a bernie sanders event. senator sanders is hoping to nab
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another victory in wisconsin tomorrow. while campaigning hard for an upset in new york where he and hillary clinton will meet on the debate stage a week from thursday. in the meantime, he's suggesting his success is making her nervous. a lot of maneuvering, a lot on the line. plenty to talk about. sara murray is at the trump event in milwaukee. trump about to take the stand. his wife melania is going to join him there as well? >> that's right, anderson. we're expecting melania to join donald trump on the campaign trail which is significant because she hasn't come out that often but part of his rocky week has been his image among female voters, especially in his back and forth on abortion and suggesting that maybe women deserve to be punished if they get abortions if that's made illegal. he walked that back. if melania trump joins him on stage, it will be interesting if she speaks on his behalf. if he tries to use his wife to soften his image out of the wisconsin primary. >> trump admitted last week may not have been his best.
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how much damage control has the campaign been trying to do? >> i think it's less damage control and a little more back to basics. we saw donald trump today, thises should third campaign event of the day. pretty rare for him to be campaigning this card. he's rampg up his campaign schedule and sticking with the things he knows best. how to hit your opponents. he's been doing that all day long. hammering ted cruz, john kasich, calling for kasich to step aside and get out of the race. i think we'll hear more about that tonight. one thing to note is there are a lot of empty seats in this room here in milwaukee. this is not necessarily friendly territory for donald trump. he is trailing in the polls just hours before the primary here. if he manages to eke out a victory, it will be a come-from-behind win. >> sara murray, thanks. there's a sanders rally nearby. the senator when asked about his recent string of victories had this to say about his opponent. >> i think the secretary is
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getting very nervous. poll after poll shows us doing much better against trump than she is. >> he is speaking tonight barely a block from the trump rally. brianna keilar is there. it's the final push for wisconsin. they are in a dead heat in wisconsin. do they think they'll be able to pull a victory off tomorrow? >> i think they do, anderson. you hear bernie sanders there talking a very big game about what he's expecting out of his performance tomorrow night in wisconsin. the campaign is looking a lot at michigan where we saw that upset. they think the demographics of michigan are replicated in wisconsin. and also that he's going to be doing really well with college students and also with labor voters. you've seen that in his final push. he's emphasizing free public university for students and also he's really trying to critique hillary clinton on her past support, her trade agreements, nafta and the asia pacific partnership that she supported as secretary of state and is now
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against. so i think this is certainly something that they are feeling very confident about, but the question is, what is the margin going to be. because these delegates are awarded proportionately. polls show them neck and neck. >> after wisconsin there's new york. clinton started downplaying expectations in new york over the last couple of days. are they worried, and is sanders confident he can pull off a win there? >> i think you are seeing her concentrate so much on new york because this is key for her to win her adopted home state. she was a senator there. people know her there. they took a chance on her in 2001 when first lady and running for the senate. i think they do think the race favors her, but they're also trying to prepare for anything. that's why you see them trying to shore up some of that support for her. that's why she is there today. she's in upstate new york, which is an area that could favor bernie sanders a little more than, say, new york city, where the diversity is going to be a positive for her. but it's interesting.
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i think here in the clinton campaign trying to manage expectations a little more in wisconsin than they are in new york. the thing that they are also emphasizing is that they think soon hillary clinton will van insurmountable lead that despite the fact bernie sanders may be challenging her, may be beating her here in wisconsin and challenging her in new york because of the way delegates are awarded, they still think overall they are in a much better position than bernie sanders. >> brianna keilar, thanks. no shortage of news heading into tomorrow. joining us now, this being opening day, 100% all-stars. angela rye, amanda carpenter, marget ro eet hoover and doug. tara say former communications director for dana rohrbacher. ross say conservative columst for "the new york times." with us as well, trump supporter kayleigh mcenany. how much of a tipping point, amanda, could wisconsin be tomorrow whether it's a cruz win
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or surprise trump win? >> i think the momentum has already swung into cruz's favor. for so long he's argued if you give me a man to man race, donald trump will shrink under the pressure and cruz will perform well. let's go back a couple of weeks to utah. cruz won overwhelmingly. cruz picked up a lot of delegate support in arizona and north dakota and going into wisconsin where trump was leading at one point by nearly 20 points. cruz is now ahead. that has to do not with trump implosion but also cruz getting support from governor walker who lent him a great state infrastructure and just running a very smart campaign that's built to go the distance and win. >> kayleigh, if trump loses in wisconsin, how does he sn that? it would certainly, you know, take some of the momentum he knot from the last big round in the primaries and some of his tactics have really hurt him. >> you want to win every state, obviously. but i think that it's important
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to acknowledge something that was written in "the new york times," which i think is a great analysis by nate cohen. he said trump's problem in wisconsin is a demographic problem, not a momentum problem. he said what "the new york times" has been saying for a while. at least he has. when you look at wisconsin, irk le electorally supposed to be one of trump's worst states. wisconsin is highly religious. an education demographic issue there. goes into a whole analysis of why demgraphically this state was never supposed to be trump's state. the point is once wisconsin is over, we look forward to connecticut, new york and new jersey, pennsylvania. i could go on and on. all states where cruz is not poised to do well. >> tara, you are sort of in the anybody but trump category. do you think there has been some sort of a turning point? obviously he had a bad week. he's made plenty of comments in the past that a lot of pundits said that's the end of him, and he only rises in the polls. >> before they were one and
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done. here it's been a cascading of events for the last month, i'd say, since the kkk comments, when he played coy. hillary clinton said with white supremacists. and then you had the violence at his rallies and the comments about women and then you had the comments about ted cruz's wife. i think it's been one on top of though other. then of course his foreign policy positions. trying to pivot into foreign policy. no one really understood that. i think there's definitely the last week was really just the highlight of what's been going on for the last month. and i would take issue with that wisconsin wasn't a good place demgraphically for donald trump. manufacturing is a big -- was a big deal in wisconsin. a lot of manufacturing jobs have left there. so the issue of trade you'd think would resonate with people in wisconsin. yet ted cruz is still winning by 10%age points in some polls because the people of wisconsin are looking at in totality maybe donald trump is not the guy.
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he's reckless and willfully ignorant on certain issues. >> margaret? >> i'd like to be at optimistic as you, tara. what i think has happened is the field as winnowed. we've been seeing donald trump has a ceiling. can't get over 30%, 35%. all these other candidates. now none of them are there. and cruz has spiked and kasich has spiked. and ted cruz is benefiting from an incredible conservative primary infrastructure. wisconsin has had many, many elections over the last six years. three governors elections. two elections, one recall. state senate recalls. judicial elections. highly politicized electorate. highly conservative and charged electorate and that's what ted cruz is benefiting from. >> and you got that just really quickly, scott walker endorsed him. he's the one that has that infrastructure there. and talk radio has been very critical of donald trump. really examining his record.
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not getting a pass on -- >> i think i agree but this is why i think kayleigh is right. wisconsin is a distinctive state with a much stronger republican infrastructure, distinctive talk radio. it's an expectations game. we expected cruz to do better in wisconsin than he would in, say, new york. the question is how much better does he do, and, really, we're in delegate math territory, right? it's going to make a huge difference. >> how much do margins matter? >> they matter because wisconsin is partially winner take all by congressional district. the margins -- cruz needs big margins in order to beat trump in the northwestern district where trump is expecting to do pretty well. if he, does then you're in a scenario where cruz could get to 35 or 40 delegates and trump could almost be shut out. and that would be a big win for the never trump forces because
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they were expecting trump maybe to lose. but come away with 15 or 20 delegates. >> do you think there's a danger to reading too much into a potential trump loss tomorrow? >> yeah. >> the cruz people will spin it as, look, this is the beginning of the end, the momentum shift, what we've been talking about all along. >> the tough part is like on the democratic side, the math doesn't really tell the same story. i think the reality of this is, in wisconsin, ross just mentioned, it's a highly politically charged electorate. it is on both sides. i was looking at past numbers from 2008 and '12 and '14. this is the same state that elected barack obama with wide margins and turned around an elected scott walker with wide margins. senator johnson and senator baldwin. people that couldn't be further apart. so i don't know that it's going to tell anything decisive to the general which is something that i care about when we're talking
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about the republican primary. and i think it's just going to be really interesting to see. i think cruz will pull it out based on all the polling results. i know cbs has senator cruz at six points ahead of trump. >> kayleigh, you are much more bullish on new york for donald trump on some of the upcoming states after wisconsin. >> absolutely. and that's key. especially a state like new york where you see in polling donald trump breaching this 50% mark. if donald trump reaches 50% in new york, he wins 95 delegates. it becomes a winner-take-all state. and then the map starts looking very good for donald trump. wisconsin absolutely will be a damper on momentum but ross hit the nail on the head with his analysis. the key number to watch tomorrow is 35%. if donald trump falls below 35%, that is an indicator that maybe the past week has hurt him. but that's the ceiling we want to see him breach in order to
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show that this is a demographic problem and not momentum problem. >> when trump said that he could act presidential but that would be, quote, boring as hell, is that a good headline for someone trying to get past a rough week? >> i tend to take the melania and ivanka view. i like the donald trump i saw at aipac, not the donneald trump tt retweets pictures of heidi cruz. keep some of the funness that he has that people like at the rallies. >> tara? >> the national question is then, why doesn't he? he is the master of his own demean most of the time. trump does what -- >> not sure that's the best term to use. >> but he can choose to behave however he wants to and he continues to choose to behave like this. that's what's concerning to a lot of people like me and for the 73% of women who look at him
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unfavorab unfavorably. for the majority of americans who do not support donald trump. he's only averaged 37% of the vote up until now. that behavior, why he chooses to act like a reality show character instead of taking this seriously and acting like president of the united states is something that i think everyone -- should trouble everyone. >> he has been saying that he could do this. that he has many people and can act however -- that he'd surprise people once he gets in the office. it raises the question, is that true? can he do that or just choosing not to? >> he's had many opportunities to try. the reason we're looking at a contested convention is because he hasn't risen to that level. there's a few weeks he's gone quiet, tried to act a little nice and then throws a temper tantrum once again. although his wife may be encouraging him to act presidential, his wife's words aren't enough. >> everyone, we're going to see pretty much everyone tomorrow night. a long night tomorrow with wisconsin. speaking of acting presidential, melania trump just made some remarks in milwaukee.
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donald trump and ted cruz holding campaign rallies. first, donald trump speaking right now. let's listen. >> i said, well, what's do you think? but i'm not seeing polls that are great. i'm down in some. he said, no, no, you're going to win but you have to be there. come in and talk to the people like we did this afternoon at the hangar -- >> before he began his wife melania had some rare words. we don't often hear from her on the campaign trail. let's listen. >> hello. it is wonderful -- thank you. we love you, too. it is wonderful to be here today with you and with my husband. i'm very proud of him. he's hard worker. he's kind. he has a great heart. he's tough. he's smart. he's a great communicator. he's a great negotiator.
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he is telling the truth. he's a great leader. he's fair. as you may know by now, when you attack him, he will punch back ten times harder. >> trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! >> no matter who you are, a man or a woman, he treats everyone equal. he's a fighter. and if you elect him to be your president, he will fight for you and for our country. he will work for you and with you. and together, we will make america strong and great again. thank you. >> melania trump stumping for her husband who could be facing
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a crucial test tomorrow. for ted cruz, this could be the moment his ground game and stop trump forces add up to victory in wisconsin aided by local conservative talk radio and wisconsin news voters who might griftle at trump's brashness. either way it will end up -- add up to votes and delegates and possibly a turning point in the race. laying it out by the numbers, "inside politics" anchor john king. trump and his critics seem to be in agreement tonight. tomorrow's wisconsin primary is critical. maybe even a turning point. >> maybe the moment of trump for stop trump movement or trump himself. let's look back a bit. the math. if you go back to march 1st, at that point donald trump was starting to open up his lead. needed 52% of the remaining delegates to clinch the nomination. now the middle of the month, march 15th. his numeric lead is getting bigger but his lead is not. so where are we today? on the eve of the wisconsin
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primary, donald trump needs 56% of the remaining delegates to clinch the nomination. to get to 1,237 before the convention which is why wisconsin and new york two weeks later makes so much -- have so much stakes in this race. candidate trump promised to surprise today. the polls show him down in wisconsin. what if he's right and pulls off a win, splits the delegates. let's say ted cruz comes in second, kasich third. donald trump gets the plurality of the delegates but a win. if he gets that's win, the top trump forces have stumbled. let's say he wins with 50% plus. if donald trump can do that, win in wisconsin and get some delegates and win in new york and get all the delegates, he's pull away from ted cruz and improves his math. a win in wisconsin with some. donald trump would only need 50% of the remaining delegates. he'd be taking a lot of air out of the stop trump movement.
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let's say the polls are right and cruz wins in the state of wisconsin. and john kasich comes in second and wins a couple of congressional districts. donald trump either gets nothing or a few delegates. if that happens and then takes the air out of trump's polls. let's say he gets 45% of the vote but he's under 50. he has to share the delegates. kasich is second and cruz third. that's not as significant who comes in second, third. even though trump won in new york, if he's shut out of wisconsin and has to share the delegates, look at his math. he'd need 61% of the remaining delegates. if this scenario plays out, a loss in wisconsin eventussentia shutout for trump and he has to share the new york delegates. the stop trump delegates think they have him. the morning of the 20th, we're heading to an open convention. >> there are some smaller state delegations taking place.
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>> want to switch maps. this weekend out in colorado, they had some -- they are beginning their process there. about halfway through. ted cruz picked up delegates. donald trump having a hard time doing the nuts and bolts of state by state convention organizing. in north dakota, the bulk decided this weekend. they'll come to the convention in cleveland uncommitmented. they aren't pledged to donald trump on the first ballot. also in both of these states, frees up people to vote for rules maybe in a way at the convention that trump doesn't like. and then in tennessee over the weekend, donald trump won tennessee. he will get all of his pledge delegates. all the vote he's deserves he won on primary day but the state party is filling them with people not loyal to trump. even though they may vote for trump on the first ballot and the second ballot as required by law, they are free agents after that. when it comes to voting on the rules at the convention, can we put other candidates' names into nomination? those delegates, even though
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they have trump badges, may not be loyal to their candidate. >> john, stay with us. i want to bring in a new face. a rangling delegate. cnn delegate analyst and chief of staff mike shields. even though trump has recently hired staff to rangel delegates, the cruz campaign seems to be out ahead of him on that. and that head start, could that make a difference now and in the future? >> i think it could and it is. what you're seeing in places like north dakota is the fact there's organizations on the ground that ted cruz has had from the beginning. he built his campaign from the bottom up, including people that understand the delegate process that have relationships with people in these state parties when it comes to selecting the delegates. in the end, thyself deese deleg people and have political leanings. you have to campaign to them like you campaign to other voters. trump is stepping up now. he's starting to put an organization together. but ted cruz had a lead to
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donald trump and the other candidates in the campaign as well. >> explain how it works. it's confusing for a lot of people. certainly for me. how does it work to win over delegates? do you -- as you said, it's campaigning directly to them? it's not enough for donald trump to have a big event somewhere and potential delegates, see him on tv? you have to have direct contact? >> yeah, it's a grassroots politicking. there was a scene in north dakota in a hotel lobby. you had ben carson as a surrogate for donald trump. carly fiorina in the same lobby for ted cruz. and they were going back and forth and talking to delegates trying to win them over. you have cookouts, parties that people are throwing. they are doing everything they can to win them over. a lot of these folks are party regulars. the people you see at the convention wearing the funny hats and pins that have been involved in the party. some are predisposed to be ted cruz-type republicans when this starts. that's another thing donald trump has to face. he's going against ted cruz with
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people that are sort of tea party regularers and trying to win them over to his side when he hasn't been involved in party politics at the local level. he has a little extra hurdle in some of these states. >> we're watching carly fiorina speaking on behalf of ted cruz in waukesha, wisconsin. cnn is reporting several republican state officials are unaware of prohibitions on delegates accepting gifts or travel help. campaign could essentially, or could they buy a delegate off and still be within the law? >> they can try to curry favor. we'd watch those. local media back in their states would watch those. if you are a member of congress, governor and state legislator, and delegates, there are ethics rules about that. if you are the state party chairman and also the republican state chairman of the republican national committee or someone else that wants to show up at a delegate. there some are state rules but not a lot. you can curry favor. make noted you can have receptions for them, take them
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to parties, put on a show. if donald trump wanted to, put them on your plane and fly them to mar-a-lago for the weekend and talk to them about that. we would see such things but you can lavish some gifts on the delegates or some flattery on the delegates, someevents on the delegates. it could come down to the undecided delegates. the idea you'll buy a delegate, i don't think that's going to happen. or it will happen one or two places. it's interesting to watch because each and every delegate matters. the little things the campaigns do to curry favor. >>. coming up, does john kasich think he has a chance in wisconsin tomorrow. if not, what about his chances moving forward? i asked him about that and about trump's advice that he should, quote, get the hell out. hear his reply to that, next. allergies with nasal congestion?
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welcome back. three live events in the run-up to tomorrow night's wisconsin primary. sanders, trump and cruz taking it down to the wire. the two republicans taking more shotss at one another. john kasich who is running third. earlier today donald trump telling john kasich to get the
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hell out. and, y that's a direct quote. at a rally this morning, a recent poll showed trump down behind ted cruz, trump turned his sights on kasich saying he's only won one contest in his home state of ohio. first, let's listen to some of what trump had to say. >> he ought to get the hell out, honestly. that doesn't mean he has to quit because he can go to the convention and put his name and say i want to run for president. he's like a stubborn guy. he's stubborn. he doesn't want to leave. they asked him, are you going to leave? no. he hurts me more than cruz. cruz wants him out. he hurts me. a recent poll came out where i get many more of his votes than cruz gets. >> i spoke with governor john kasich a short time ago. governor, how do you respond to what donald trump and ted cruz are saying that you are essentially a spoiler and should get out of the race? >> well, both of them said that i'm taking their votes from their voters. i mean, one guy asked me today,
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he said trump says you're taking his voters and cruz says you're taking his voters. how can you be taking both? i said i'm taking both because as people get to know me and understand my record and positive vision and all these things, of course i can get votes from both of them. i think i heard today that senator cruz has to get like 102% of the remaining delegates. that's kind of impossible. this is what he's been saying about me. everybody needs to chill out. i'm in new york. we're going to do well here. i'm going to pennsylvania. we're excited about that and going to an open convention where people are going to learn more about picking presidents than they do just on snapchat. >> you called senator cruz a smear artist. he's running an ad about your ties to corporation that got tax breaks in ohio. i saw a quote from the ohio ethics commission saying you had made what he called a clean break from that company. do you believe that attack is part of a broader strategy by
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the cruz campaign to try to take you down? >> he is senator smear. people seau seem to be pointing things out. i am not a pin cushion or marshmallow. he smeared ben carson. he smeared marco rubio. he smeared donald trump. now he's smearing me. and "the wall street journal" even pointed out that he smeared me nan editorial last week. this guy plays that kind of politics. it's down, it's dirty, it's negative n not uplifting. but that's what we deal with. and we'll put one foot in front of the other and keep going with a positive vision. but i've got to tell you, anderson. don't push me around. you think you can push me around and get away with it, but you're wrong. i'm going to keep this campaign on the high tone. i did an event at hofstra tonight. we're going to go tonight. i'm here in teddy rose velosevr house. he shook everybody up, and so will i. >> you expressed a displeasure with the fact that a superpac
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was running an ad in which they called cruz a liar. you later called on them to take it down. do you think the cruz campaign is -- >> no, i don't like to use the word liar. but i am being smeared. and that's not a word i made up. "the wall street journal" used that word. he's been doing it to everybody. that's the dirty game they pay. and i understand it. i'm a big boy. i've had this stuff done against me before. here's the problem. you should take the high road to the highest office in the land, not the low road. when i stood on that stage and watched those guys call each other names, i was appalled by what i saw. we got a lot of kids watching this thing. set a good example, not a bad example. and i'm not going to use the word liar. i'm just not going to do it. but just run positive because if you come after me, i'm not going to sit there and take it, anderson. i'm not some kind of a dummy. i know how to fight back, but i would prefer to be talking about creating jobs, future for our
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kids. i grew up in an environment where people had economic insecurity. i have addressed it when i was in washington and largely improved it with the help of a big team. and in ohio. we've gone from real bad times to pretty good times. i want to take that formula to washington. and that's what people need to hear. >> so senator cruz told fox news today, quote, i don't think it's a state secret that donald's personal life hasn't been immaculate. do you think donald trump's personal life or any candidate's personal life should be on the table? does it fall under the heading of character which is -- >> no, no. i think this whole personal life and personal attacks, get over it. tell people what you are for. tell them what your programs, plans and record is about restoring hope in this country. spend time talking about donald trump's personal life, no thank you. i don't want to talk about people's personal life. forget it. you're going to drive all the best people oufts this business.
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who wants to put up with this nonsense. get over it. present a positive vision. and the reason sometimes candidates don't is because they don't have a positive vision. that's what it gets down to. >> all eyes on wisconsin's primary tomorrow. do you think there's any way, you can actually win that contest. have you ever thought you could win wisconsin? >> i think -- we have focused on areas where we think we have a good chance. a large part of the state doesn't know me. what i will tell you is in the fall i'm the one republican that could win that state. i'm in new york today because we're -- we think we have pretty good momentum and strength here in new york. we'll be in pennsylvania and the race goes on, anderson. the race goes on all the way to cleveland. >> governor kasich, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. we also invited donald trump and ted cruz to be on the program tonight. they declined. the battle for wisconsin playing out beyond the states. i'll speak to a popular radio host in wisconsin who says trump does not understand the way it
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of donald trump's campaign is it seems no matter what he says or mistakes he makes his supporters don't seem to be bothered. do his fans even care? gary tuchman takes a look. >> reporter: five hours in the snow to see their man. these are the trump true believers. >> whatever he does, you don't care? >> it's okay with me. i stand by him because i believe in him and know what he'll do is right. >> hot coals at this rally, would you walk over the hot coals for him? >> you bet. put them out right now, i will. >> reporter: and more and more of these true believers are adopting an us against the republican establishment viewpoint. >> do you think the republican party is trying to steal the nomination from donald trump? >> absolutely. >> you all agree with that? >> yes. >> do you think there's a conspiracy to take this away from donald trump. >> absolutely. i've voted republican my whole life. i'll follow trump whether he
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goes independent, third party, i'm voting for him either way. >> reporter: across the state in lacrosse, a different trump rally but the same sentiments. >> i think they're trying to pull a fast one. >> republican party? >> yes. >> i think the republican party is not only going to, they're not going to try, they're going to steal it from him. >> if trump doesn't get the nomination, would you support the republican nominee? >> i wouldn't. >> what would you do? >> i would stay home. >> reporter: presidential candidates often get the benefit of the doubt. but it's increasingly evident that nobody cultivates loyalty more successfully than donald trump. >> i just love trump, and i don't want anybody else but the trump. he's my man. >> reporter: like the candidate himself, many of them agree if donald trump is mistreated by the republican party this election, they'll return the favor. >> if they steal it from him, i think he's going to get the
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1,237. if they try any shenanigans to take it i'll leave the republican party forever. >> reporter: a lot of these trump true believers travel around the country to come to trump rallies like dead heads in the 1970s to see grateful dead concerts. one guy i spoke with said this is his 30th. >> a couple of dead heads still out there. >> joining me now is vicki mccanna. you just heard in gary's piece some of the trump true believers believe the republican party is trying to steal the nomination from him. is that a viewpoint you -- what do you say to that? >> well, they are not -- no one is trying to steal anything from donald trump. it isn't the republican party's fault his delegate game leaves a lot to be desired. he didn't understand there were different roles for different states. it came to him very recently.
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the delegate rules are the delegate rules. if donald trump doesn't know how to play the delegate rules and his supporters misunderstand that as shenanigans, there's nothing i can do about that. there's no talking his supporters off his campaign. that is abundantly clear in wisconsin and i'm sure in other states. >> over the weekend, sarah palin tru stumped for trump. did her appearance help make her case? >> her appearance was scattered and bizarre. her appearance didn't help him, certainly. the question is did her appearance hurt him? it was singularly the worst political speech i've heard and that's not the sarah palin that most wisconsin peopleremember from the 2011 tea party rallies she helped us with in our state. i don't know if she hurt him. she certainly did him no favors in milwaukee on friday night. >> trump's confident he's going to win wisconsin. as you pointed out, he hasn't had the same strong presence in the state that cruz has.
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is he underestimating what it's going to take to win a vote there? >> donald trump doesn't know what it takes to win wisconsin. he's taken no time trying to learn about wisconsin. first off, you have to be organized in wisconsin. you actually have to know the lay of the land in wisconsin. donald trump is unfamiliar with the six years of political warfare we've been engaged in. he's entirely unfamiliar with the reforms passed by a conservative legislature and governor scott walker. he's entirely unfamiliar with the fact that way back in 2007 we started kicking those establishment, whatever that's means now, but those entrenched big government republicans to the curb. we are way ahead of the curve on trying to right the ship that is, you know, the republican party. at least in terms of conservative principles. when donald trump comes in here and -- go ahead. >> how important is the walker support for cruz? >> huge. it's huge. this is walker country in wisconsin.
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governor walker is an enormously popular governor. he enjoys substantial support from every wing of the republican party from the most conservative and libertarian leaning to some of the more moderate republicans. governor walker didn't win by doing it alone. he didn't do it by walking down the center of the aisle. he won by creating coalitions based around conservative principles, limited government, tax reform froum. that's how he pulled together enough people to turn a blue state red in 2010. it's how he managed to get his reforms through in 2011. it's how he survived a recall in 2012 and was re-elected governor in 2014. >> he's speaking there in support of ted cruz. we're looking ahead to tomorrow and new york. the latest from the democratic campaign trail. make a statement...oing o make sure it's an intelligent one. ♪ the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪
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technology moves faster than ever. the all-new audi a4, with apple carplay integration. quick reminder. we're proud to announce the upcoming democratic debate sanctioned by the democratic national committee. this is a look at all the candidates on the trail today. bernie sanders and ted cruz and donald trump on the trail right now. first more on bernie sanders' duel with hillary clinton. >> reporter: here in the badger
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state, bernie sanders is looking to narrow hillary clinton's delegate lead. >> i don't want to get hillary clinton more nervous than she already is. she's already under a lot of pressure. so don't tell her this, but i think we win here, we win in new york state, we're on our way to the white house. >> reporter: he's counting on college students and union workers to give his campaign a boost in tuesday's primary. >> i am not a candidate who goes to the unions and goes to work and then leaves and goes to a fund-raiser with wall street. you are my family. >> reporter: clinton tries to defend herself. >> when trade is done right, it helps put thousands of wisconsin companies in a better position to export billions of dollars. >> reporter: it's a sensitive topic for clinton because of her support of nafta in the '90s and a trade pact with asian and pacific countries she support as secretary of state. an accord she now opposes. the latest polls show the race a dead heat, perhaps why clinton
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added a last-minute swing through wisconsin. her campaign is downplaying expectations. >> we always knew it was going to be tight. i think wisconsin to some degree favors senator sanders. but, look, it's going to be close. >> reporter: clinton spent today campaigning in her adopted home state of new york. attending an event touting the move to raise the minimum wage. >> this is what makes america great. >> reporter: taking a shot at gop front-runner donald trump. >> donald trump has said that wages are too high. here's fired? that's funny. >> reporter: this as a debate over debates is raging in the democratic party. both campaign agreeing to one, but not a date. the clinton campaign offered a date sanders has a rally planned, five days before the primary. >> he's proposed sunday evening,
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april 17th. are you in? >> i'm not negotiating. we've proposed thursday the 14th, which gives people more time to digest what happens in the debate. is he in? >> hillary clinton said this morning she's up for debating on thursday, april 14th. are you in? >> i am not quite sure what -- how that works on our schedule. i think we can work out a date that works for her schedule, that's works for my schedule. >> and brianna, they have. three rallies going on at this moment. let's listen to senator sanders in milwaukee. >> this campaign is listening to the african-american community. what they are telling me is how does it happen that we have trillions of dollars to spend on a war in iraq that we never
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should have gotten into but somehow we don't have the funds to rebuild inner cities in america. including milwaukee, wisconsin. >> senator sanders speaking in milwaukee. a fascinating night tomorrow night of politics. we'll be right back with more news ahead. your investments through good times and bad. for over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments so in a variety of market conditions... you can feel confident... our experience. call a t. rowe price retirement specialist or your advisor see how we can help make the most of your retirement savings. t. rowe price. invest with confidence.
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that does it for us. we'll see you at 11:00 p.m. for another edition of "360." cnn with don lemon starts right now. >> this is cnn breaking news. the breaking news is hillary clinton/bernie sanders go head-to-head here on cnn in a primetime debate in brooklyn. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. you can see the democratic debate on april 14th. just hours to go until the wisconsin primaries. in milwaukee, two rallies, donald trump and bernie sanders whipping up their supporters right across the street from each other. and trump rolling out his secret weapon. >> and together, we will make america strong and great again. >> we have won six out of the