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here's our breaking news tonight. hillary clinton and bernie sanders will go head to head right here on cnn in brooklyn on april 14th. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. we're also counting down to the crucial wisconsin primaries just
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hours away. ted cruz is giving donald trump a run for his money in wisconsin. is the front-runner headed for a fall? and meanwhile, donald trump says he's the only one who can save america's economy and get us out of debt. why even some experts on the right aren't buying that one. plus, you know you've arrived when snl has a little fun with you. kate bolduan and scottie nell hughes, come on down. >> his campaign manager was arrested for assaulting a woman, a young girl who was pepper sprayed. >> donald trump does not personally condemn violence. >> really? okay. well, let's just randomly see what's happening right now at his rally. >> there's a lot going on tonight. i want to go to cnn's senior political correspondent brianna keilar who is in milwaukee tonight. they've agreed to another
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debate, this one before that critical primary in new york. tell us the details. >> reporter: well, it's going to be on april 14th and it's going to be in brooklyn, which is interesting because that's where hillary clinton has her campaign headquarters and that's where bernie sanders grew up. both of them have a special connection to where the debate is going to be held. the other interesting thing is it's going to be on cnn and our own wolf blitzer is going to be moderating it. this is a debate that came together after a whole lot of back and forth. kind of a testy back and forth between the sanders and the clinton campaign. sanders had offered to do it on a day two days before the april 19th new york primary. hillary clinton said, you know, what let's do it april 14th. but that was actually a day that bernie sanders had a permit to do a big rally in washington square park by nyu. so he didn't want to go ahead and do it. but in this debate, i think bernie sanders has not much to lose and a whole lot to gain and ultimately he capitulated he got
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a little help from the mayor moving his event a day earlier and that's why we'll see it on the 14th. >> you're such a word smith. testy. good way of putting it. hillary clinton is ne neck-and-neck. if he wins there and wisconsin, he says he's on his way to the white house. how much would a wisconsin win and new york? >> reporter: a big wisconsin win would be essential. when you look at the math and see that he's trailing a couple hundred delegates behind hillary clinton, he's got to not only continue to win but win by considerable margins. what he says his plan is to win in wisconsin and hopes that gives him a bounce going into new york. we're looking at some polls there and hillary clinton is very concerned about making sure that stays in her column, don. she came to wisconsin on saturday but she's been spending a lot of time in new york. bernie sanders is hoping that
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12-point margin we're seeing in the polls in new york, that that would get squeezed out if he were to come in with a little bit of momentum. new york is huge. it's 247 delegates awarded proportionately, though. so again, he would have to really outdo hillary clinton in her adopted home state to head towards the nomination. >> let's keep talking about the hillary clinton campaign. the campaign sent out this e-mail to supporters today. friend, two quick updates, we're down in every poll in wisconsin. tomorrow's primary is going to be a tough fight. second, the sanders campaign raised over $43 million in march making that the third month in a row that they've outraised us. this nomination is not locked up yet and we've got to keep fighting for every vote if we want to see hillary clinton in the white house. sanders is saying hillary clinton is nervous. is she? >> reporter: i think she'd like to pivot to the general election.
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and even though the delegate numbers are in her favor, look how much money he has. he has outraised her by several million dollars in the last few months and that's the money that keeps him going. he's also getting a lot of donations from small dollar donors. maybe someone throws $10 his way, 60 bucks his way. he can come back to those donors and get more money. so it's kind of this -- it's like an atm for him that isn't running out of cash. that's why he's saying he can go all the way to the convention. he has the money to do it. that's something that makes hillary clinton nervous. i think the campaign thinks that they are going to inwitwin, don. they also know that they have to compete against him and he has all of this money to keep going. in that regard, i think they are a little nervous about dealing with that. >> 33, $34 million in march by his campaign. that's a lot. they have said that the clinton campaign was going to wrap it up by march and now they've moved it back to april. who knows, brianna.
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thank you. appreciate it. >> reporter: you bet. >> if anybody has a crystal ball in this campaign, it's larry sabato and he's joining me now. we're down in the polls in wisconsin. do you think donald trump can pull it out, pull out a win? >> well, it's certainly possible because the polls have been wrong so often throughout this primary season. but if you go by the polling averages, then cruz ought to win. some of the polls have had him way up and a straight poll or two have had trump up. take your pick. it's election eve. i think people ought to be able to dream. >> i like that quote. there are 34 delegates at stake in wisconsin but those delegates seem to have outsized importance here. can trump get to this magic number of 1237 if he loses wisconsin, larry? >> yes. he can still do it. it just becomes more difficult. he has to do better than
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expected in california, for example, which i think is going to prove to be the critical race coming june 7th. that's going to determine whether he gets over that 1237 mark or whether he falls a few dozen short of the mark that will enable him to win on the first ballot, which is probably the only ballot he can win. >> let's look forward. we're at 95 delegates up for grabs. if trump is defeated, what will it mean for the next big contest in new york where those 95 delegates are awarded? >> don, surprisingly, i don't think it's going to mean that much. you know, this is not to diss the wisconsin primary. great state, great primary. something i've learned over many cycles, every primary day is the most important primary day there has ever been in the history of the country until the next one. and it's two weeks away. that's plenty of time for the victory of whoever wins to fade
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a bit. and it's not going to have quite the impact we think because new york is going to vote as new york wants, not as wisconsin did. >> let's talk about this possibility of a contested convention that everyone is talking about. the candidates are in a dogfight. every delegate counts at this point. trump is 740. cruz is 474 and kasich is 145. trump needs 57% of the remaining delegates, cruz needs 88%, kasich needs 125, meaning you can't mathematically get to 1237. so then the likelihood, in your estimation, that there's going to be a contested convention? >> honestly, it is right on the edge of the fence post, don. >> hmm. >> as we said, trump has to win 1237 on the first ballot. he's either going to come into the convention a few dozen short or he's going to come in with a handful over and he better make sure that that handful shows up and that there isn't any blue
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flew or red flew, where some of the delegates who may not be for him somehow don't appear and the alternates don't appear either. it's probably going to make the convention exciting, whether he's over or under 1237. >> you published sabato's crystal ball. it's very early but you have in a hypothetical contest between who would win clinton and trump. you project clinton includes 347 and 190 safely and 57 likely and 100 democrats leaning. trump is 191. that's a devastating picture for donald trump. why so lopsided? >> well, we use the national polling averages, the state polls and polling averages where they exist and also the demographics, the changing
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demographics, minority compositions, for example, of the states. and, if anything, we may have been a little generous to donald trump. now, his total, 191, is below romney's 206 electoral votes. that's not an impressive performance. it's not far off romney's pace. it's seven months to go, don, and we're going to revise that map several times between now and november but it is impossible, based on the data we have right now, to reach any conclusion other than the one we've reached. we couldn't find a single swing state that would move to donald trump. the numbers are the numbers. >> that's a trounsing. that is a trouncing. okay. thank you, larry. i'll see you soon. >> thank you, don. >> joining me now, diana or rick and national committee woman for nevada. you heard what he just said. what do you make of what larry just said, diana? good evening, by the way. >> good evening. thanks for having me.
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you know, trump has been full of surpses from the get-go and i think everybody realizes that and just when everybody in the media is saying this is going to be the outcome, the exact opposite happens. so you just can't count anything out with mr. trump. >> let's reiterate. you're a delegate and supporter of donald trump. the cleveland convention, diana, is shaping up to be a bruising fight. so what do you expect to see? >> well, we don't know at this point yet whether donald trump will get the magic 1237 going into the national convention. it very well could be an open convention and, if so, we'll just have to go through. process of having several ballots and see what happens. >> yeah. so there is an all-out fight for the allegiance of delegates going to this convention. no one has a 1237 delegates and
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no one gets a magic number on this first ballot. a lot of people are wondering if trump can hold the loyalty of his delegates. what do you think? >> well, i have found his supporters to be very loyal and people came out of the woodwork to be delegates for donald trump and i think they are going to hold true to their first vote and keep on to the bitter end. >> you know he is claiming that the rnc is unfair and that ted cruz is stealing his delegates, particularly in louisiana. you have been involved in the republican party and republican party politics for a long time. is this year any different than any previous years? >> well, at the last national convention that i attended in 2012, i wasn't a delegate. i had just assumed my duties as a newly elected national committeewoman. but what i witnessed at that
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convention, i found appalling with the microphones on the floor to the delegates being cut off after the prescripted outcome that john boehner had on the vote to accept the rules going into the national convention. and then the rules changes that occurred. there was lots of games that were played to make the outcome other than what it should have been simply to keep ron paul off of the ballot and i just don't think those kinds of things should be done and i fully anticipate that those kind of tactics could very welcome into play in this convention going into cleveland. >> hmm. and so then if he then loses -- and that happens in cleveland and something happens and he doesn't get the 1237, if he then loses, do you think he's going to walk out or run as a third-party candidate?
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>> that could be very likely. >> would you then support him? >> i think in this place in time, in this country, i think we need somebody like donald trump and i would be willing to support him even if he went third party and that may sound appalling for a national committeewoman to say for the republican party but i've heard all kinds of stories about trying to possibly bring paul ryan into the mix with several ballots that may not show somebody being the front-runner or a mitt romney. i think that would be an absolutely horrible idea and i think it would create absolute chaos at that convention because nobody wants a paul ryan or a mitt romney coming into the mix. >> yeah. well, you said it sounds like a horrible thing to say but it's honest and we appreciate that here on the show.
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diana orrock, thank you. >> you're very welcome. when we come back, women voters might just be the key to this election and that could mean trouble for donald trump. just take a look at "saturday night live." they are having a little fun at the candidate's expense. >> at least donald is talking about women. i mean, he is creating a dialogue about women. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. let's go back to that rally and check in on that dialogue. >> when i say women, you say suck. women. >> suck. >> women. >> suck.
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we're discussing the turning point in the gop race and donald trump has defied conventional wisdom from day one. is that changing after his missteps on the campaign trail? i want to talk about that with carl bernstein, author, and senior political analyst mr. david gergen. carl, you think that we're starting to see the implosion of donald trump but he warned that dismissing him never pays off. listen. listen. >> and everybody said, that's
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the end of trump. it's over for trump. do you know how many times i've been given the end? like i've been given the last rooits. every week, it's like, it's the end of trump. then they walk in and say, sir, i don't know what happened. your poll numbers went through the roof, sir. >> i've been through this but i think the accumulated events of the last three weeks or so, the kkk references, abortion, the fact that he can't handle foreign policy, the shallowness of his answers, the problems with his business, the mass san jose knee, i've referred to him as his authoritarian pronouncements, not a hitler but authoritarian, be a big, strong man, i think we're beginning to see implosion in terms of can he get to the convention with enough delegates to be the
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nominee only if he wins wisconsin and i don't think he's going to win wisconsin. >> what do you make of that, david? he's hoping for a wisconsin surprise. >> he better hope for it. he once had a ten-point lead there. he's now down five or ten. i don't think it's an implosion. i do think the tide has changed. i think the tide is going out for it and for a lot of the reasons that carl just cited. i don't think there's implosion. the new york primary is coming up. he's got a very big lead there. pennsylvania, he's got a very sizeable lead. california, he still has a significant lead. what you do think wisconsin is important for, if ted cruz wins wisconsin, i think he comes out as the favorite to win the nomination. i say this because trump will not have enough delegates. >> you don't think there's a real possibility that there is a dead lock convention that they would go for a paul ryan or something like that? >> well, that depends on the rules but if the trump and cruz
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forces come together and keep the rules as they are presently written on who can be nominated, it's going to come down to only trump and cruz. >> let's talk about that. then we'll finish discussing this. >> this fever pipe dream of washington that at the convention they will parachute in, some white knight that will save the washington establishment, it is nothing less than a pipe dream. it ain't going to happen. if it did, the people would quite rightly revolt. >> a revolt? i'm sure donald trump will agree with that. go ahead and continue your response. >> he said there were going to be riots. here's the thing. i think they are going to have enough delegates between them to pretty well keep control of the rules convention, the rules. if they keep the rules, it has to be either trump or cruz and i do not think if it gets to that point, it's going to be trump.
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there are so many faithless delegates that they will go over to cruz. it doesn't guarantee anything. there's no guarantee in this thing but i do think the chances of cruz winning the not nation -- >> carl, you heard the donald trump supporter earlier on saying she saw the shenanigans that happened with paul ryan -- not paul ryan but with ron paul, so on a and so forth. how careful does the establishment have to be if this done happen? >> well, i'm not sure if the establishment in quotes is quite that coherent either. dare i say one other thing about donald trump. that he has demonstrated and appealed that all of us have underestimated and i think it has to do -- >> speak for yourself. but go ahead. >> well, i think beyond the 20% of the angry white males, i think it has to do with he has identified in saying that america is not great. the institutions in this country are broken. our education system, our transportation system, our
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banking system, our medical care system. and there are an awful lot of people between the two coasts particularly who aidentify with this. i think we have grossly underestimated how he has tapped into the reality. he might not have solutions. >> doesn't this contradict your other point, that he's imploding? >> no, because i think he has gone too far himself to broaden his base. he was on verge -- i would have said that four weeks ago he was on the march. and then -- and then he blew it. but the -- opening up his base to these disaffected people who rightly say, hey, the elites, we've had it with the elites. >> listen to me, guys, please. is that a reality? because you said institutions are broken. most people would say, not broken but america isn't perfect. there's certainly room for improvement. if you look at this make america great again, if you look at
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eight years ago when president obama took office and you look at the economy now, you look at jobs, the price of gas, health care, not perfect, there are some who would say the president has made america great again so then what is donald trump's point? is that a reality for those people? >> what we know is there's a question that is asked regularly that is used as a gauge of the public sentiment by how well we are doing and are we on the right track or wrong track? and for ten years, basically, the people have been saying the wrong track. they have been voting and rejecting the status quo. that is, yes, if you look overall, it is better. but who's getting the benefits and who is staying stuck? and to go to carl's point, there are a lot of people that are stuck. bill clinton has been arguing, 80% of the people in this country have not gotten a raise since the recession. >> there is 30 years that income has been stagnating and going down in this country. i agree with you about obama.
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he's been heroic in many regards. but in terms of where -- and i believe america is a great country. we still have this intangibles that make us great. but are we the country we were, do our institutions work the way they should and the way they once did? no. he said tap into it. >> we're coming back. up next, donald trump's dire prediction for america's economy. we've been talking a little about it now. has he gone too far this time? e. like @pigskinsusan15, who writes, "now my boyfriend wants to talk on sundays. just so many words." your boyfriend's got it bad. maybe think about being single until the start of the season. to warn of dangerenough from virtually anywhere. it's been smashed, dropped and driven. it's perceptive enough to detect other vehicles on the road. it's been shaken, rattled and pummeled. it's innovative enough to brake by itself, park itself and help you steer. it's been in the rain...
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let's discuss the economy a bit more because donald trump claims america's economy is on the verge of falling off a cliff. back with me is carl bernstein and david gergen. carl, trump told "the washington post" he's predicting another recession. he expanded on that again. listen to this. >> we've had bubbles and when they burst, it's not a good thing. and what i said is we're going to go into a massive recession. but i also say, if i'm president, that's not going to happen. because i'm going to straighten things out before it happens. >> economists disagree. carl, do you think it's dangerous for trump to say these things? >> i don't think he knows what
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he's talking about. he has no more idea about solid economic policy than the man on the moon. what he was saying there was preposterous. everyone says, look, he would increase the deficit, not cut it by what he was proposing. also, there's a myth about his business sense. his businesses have been -- many of them -- belly up. he has settled with 20 cents on the dollar on many of his loans. he's not this great businessman. he's got -- and we're going to see a lot more stories about this. a lot of this is mythlogical. >> donald trump has fought back saying, that's not true. >> ask about his deutsch bank loans and how much he owes deutsch bank. let's see if you can get a straight answer. >> let's go back to the state of the economy. it's striking to me that barons, a business newspaper for investors that comes out once a week, they compared hillary's
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economic plan to trump and said which one would be better for the economy? overwhelmingly they came out and said hillary would be better. i've talked to investment groups, who do you think is better for the economy, for the markets? overwhelmingly it's hillary. barons is saying, look, his economic plan will raise the deficit by $10 trillion. he's not able to pay for that. he wants to get into a trade war with china and with mexico. what they are saying, yeah, you will get a recession. if you elect trump, you'll get a recession. that's what they are arguing. >> but on trade, i think both he and bernie sanders have hit a real nerve and have rightly identified that globalization has not been moderated in a way that has benefited american workers. >> okay. i want to talk about the democrats now. bernie sanders is in wisconsin. hillary clinton is in new york defending her home turf. her campaign clearly never thought it would come to this. so what happened here? >> what happens now? >> what happened? why don't they think it would
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come to this? in her adopted home state, she's defending her home turf. >> right. >> who would have thunk? >> a fascinating piece out today with bernie sanders and the people around him think that he fundamentally misjudged the beginning of this campaign. he didn't go out and campaign hard enough in 2015. he didn't get his organization together. he didn't understand. he wanted to win the first three states but he basically did the right thing as a senator and that is, he wanted to work in the senate at the same time and not give up his day job and i think it was the right thing to do but it probably cost him the nomination. >> she keeps trying to pivot to the general. she keeps wanting to pivot to the general and her campaign said we'll have this wrapped up by march. now april. and now they are not so sure. >> well, if he wins wisconsin tomorrow, he comes into new york very strong and it could be a hell of a fight in new york and he's got more money than she does. also, she's got --
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>> she was a good senator. >> she was a very good senator but she's also got that vote on the war. she's got a lot of vulnerability on trust issues increasingly and the longer this goes, the more this question of distrust, honesty, openness works against her. >> here's what karl rove wrote about her in "the new york times" and he wrote -- he talks about the undemocratic aspects to the nomination process and points to the superdelegates who aren't bound to the vote and the unfair caucuses which have restricted ours. what do you think about that? >> i disagree. >> why? >> a couple of reasons. first, with the democratic party, it wouldn't make a difference if you didn't have the superdelegates. there's been 35 contests soar. lanny davis -- >> be nice, carl. >> yeah.
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so he points out, if you look at the overall votes in 35 states and primaries and caucuses, she has won the vote by 58-42. 58-42. so there's no wonder the superdelegates -- the bigger issue that i would have with this is i think actually peer review is a good thing in the way you review leaders. yes, the voters should have a voice but i think peers should have a significant voice and be part of that and i think it's important. i'll tell you, if they had the superdelegates on the republican side, i think this race would be very different. i don't think you'd see ted cruz nor donald trump with the lead that they have right now. >> that's the last word. thank you, gentlemen. always a great conversation. >> thank you. coming up, donald trump had a rough week and it didn't exactly end on a high note. snl having a little fun with his retweet comparing heidi cruz and melania trump. >> that was an accident, okay, because donald's pens are just
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donald trump is trying to recover from what many are calling his worst week ever. it wasn't the best weekend for some of his supporters either. joining me now is scottie nell hughes, a trump surrogate. also with me, juliette cayenne, author, and margaret hoover, sirrius xm host. let's start with scottie. that snl skit. >> joining me to talk about it from the tea party news network is donald trump defender scottie nell hughes. >> hi, kate. as a woman, i like donald trump but as a full-blown nut job, i
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love him. let's watch. >> i've just got to say, isn't my daughter ivanka the best? she's so smart, so talented and what a rack. >> no. okay -- no. so that was beautiful. you're just trying to work it but is it worth it? you put his thing down, flipped it and reversed it. you can't break me, kate, because i'm crazy and crazy don't -- and kate, i know that you agree with me on three things when it comes to trump. one, he is drop-dead gorgeous. >> no. >> two, he is bringing trade back so we can make america great again. and three, he is way better than ted cruz.
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>> okay. yes. that i do agree on. >> scottie. >> scottie. >> i know you didn't expect it but i hope you're taking this with a good sense of humor because it's "snl". >> absolutely. i mean, come on, some of the best impersonation on "snl" and i'm sorry, i do really want to make americans grape again. i'm pro grape juice. that's one thing we can all agree on on this panel. >> what about the full nut job? does that bother you? >> you kind of get over it. i've been used to calling all of the crazy adjectives that have used for conservatives for so long. so, no, it really didn't. i'm not anti-squirrel or anything. >> are you going to go back to the old hair like they did in that skit? >> that hair was so 2015, folks. >> i've got to tell you, come on now, the tan and everything. >> that was so fox news.
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hello now, i'm on cnn. we do the cnn haircut over here. >> so i've got to ask you, when people say the truth is often spoken in jeft, do you look at that and say, some things i have to defend and i'm not sure how i have to defend it? do you see why people may be making fun of you or you don't believe that? >> on your show i think i've admitted a couple of things i don't agree with. i don't like the attacks that go after the superficial way of how anybody looks, especially like heidi cruz. i've often said that i don't agree with some of the things that mr. trump does. but sometimes i do. and i look at the overall picture, which is why i support mr. trump for president. i think that he's going to bring jobs back to america, he's going to keep my family safe and i think it's the best for our country to challenge the status quo. >> margaret, do you think it was mean-spirited? >> i think scottie is taking it as she should, with a total
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laugh. i'm surprised they actually named you as the contributor. but scottie, you've taken it and run with it like you are doing. all press is good press. if you're like donald trump, you run with it. scottie raised an important point, to separate the trump superintende subpoena por supporters and donald trump has filled that vacuum but this is not to -- and scottie has admitted, she does not defend all of the indefensible things that -- >> do you think conservative women get a bad rap when it comes to comedians? >> yes. i think there's no question. i think conservative women probably do get parodied. >> conservatives in general. you see conservatives getting
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land blasted. i'll watch some of these shows. it's funny, like the daily show but it's not in context. but it's funny so you take the joke and move on. >> and if you're a conservative, you have to learn to laugh at yourself. you can't be so uptight that -- >> i was going to ask you, security mom, your book comes out tomorrow. who do you make of this? >> listen, i thought it was hilarious. a lot of trump supporters find it difficult to criticize him. they drink kool-aid. where i want to defend scottie and others is it is very wrong to view all trump supporters as crazy. and i think it's wrong for democrats to do that and it's wrong for the media to do that. he has walked into a
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vacuum filled by politics today, particularly the republican party, they are trying to figure out how this happened and when it comes to issues of security or immigration that they thought had been resolved and we all left the last election saying, everybody party is going to have to embrace immigration. in some ways, we have to also learn from this. >> stand by, everyone. speaking of women, his secret weapon is coming up next, his wife melania. she's now speaking at the campaign. we'll talk about that. ♪
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marie callender fills her with a rich, delicious gravy. because making the perfect dinner... ...isn't easy as pie. but finding someone to enjoy it with... sure is. marie callender's. back with me now, scottie nell hughes and juliette kayyem and margaret hoover. let's talk about your book, juliette, "security mom". >> it's a demographic after the terrorist attacks that emerged and mostly suburban women, mostly married with children and were so afraid that they would vote for conservative or for the candidate who made them feel stronger and safer and i do a twist on that term given my life in homeland security and counterterrorism and give women and men the tools of both explaining what this world of
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counterterrorism and homeland security is like, bring it down to earth, but also how we can engage in it on a very personal level which we do anyway. >> that's a very interesting and different take on this. you say that these women are one issue voters. >> yes. >> they don't vote on traditional women issues. what do they vote on? >> security. >> just security? ah. >> keep me safe. if you look at trump female supporters, the number one issue they care about, security. and they view him as the most -- sort of the tough guy that's going to protect them. of course, it's all silliness at some stage because no president can guarantee perfect security and that's one of my messages. look, 9/11 made us feel like we are perfectly safe on 9/10. that's not true. this country has always been vulnerable. we try to reduce the vulnerability in the homeland and our home but the trump female supporter puts security
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as number one. >> scottie, is this the women that trump is counting on? >> absolutely. i'm going to buy the book tomorrow because i fall into that category. it's being able to provide for my family and keep my family safe. i've said that all along. the main two reasons i support trump. my kids wear gizmos on their arm that if they need me, it goes right directly to my cell phone. i'm a working mom. it's a peace of mind. when we live in an age of school shootings and terrorism and we do have a very interesting dynamic where mainly most parents are working right now and something happens, it's not like you can easily go find your child. you have to get off work and finds transportation. it's a whole different world that we're living in. i think her book hits it on the head. >> is it the republican party speaking to this or not? >> i think the republican party has sort of been the security
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party. one of the things that george w. bush ran on in 2004 was security. he had his cohorts that turned out and voted for him in bulk and that was a clear republican demographic identified and maybe not kept in 2008. but the question sort of defies logic and scottie has made this point, that's why she's supporting donald trump, his policies aren't policies that are not necessarily going to make us stronger. if you have a nuclear proliferation and arms race in southeast asia in the middle east, this is not going to make our world stronger. it would be great to get on to debating the policies and what's going to make our world stronger. >> i've got to talk about melania trump who made an appearance on the campaign trail today. she spoke in wisconsin. let's listen a little bit. >> i think as you know by now,
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if you attack him, he'll punch back ten times harder. no matter who you are, a man or a woman, he treats everyone equal. he's a fighter and if you elect him to be our president, he will fight for you and for our country. he will work for you and with you. and together we will make america strong and great again. thank you. >> melania trump, going to help her husband on women's issues. scottie? >> i think it's a great idea. i think she's very classy and she's a great example of how trump appreciates and likes women, the women in his own family and corporation. i think that was a great speech. she obviously has it very well thought out and very classy. sometimes i think mr. trump sometimes might actually listen to his wife a little more in the areas and she's come out and said, i don't always agree with
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my husband, but like the rest of the campaign says, let trump be trump. >> he's been saying that and she said that all along for some time now, like i've want him to be more presidential and she's been telling me to be more presidential. ivanka is telling me to be more presidential. you really think it's going to make a difference, margaret? >> actually, trump's numbers with republican primary female voters have only come down about 10 percentage points in the last couple of months. >> do you think he could get -- >> it's not the republican women that you're going after. the problem is the women in the general election. that's the real problem. you've got to win more than mitt romney won, which is 41%. republicans don't do well with women as a voting bloc anyway. i think melania and his daughter ivanka soften him and show a softer side. is it going to help? i don't think you can come back to a lot of the places. >> and remember, they are not the candidates. >> but remember, this is a book.
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>> security. >> "security moms." it comes out tomorrow, juliette kayyem's new book. thank you everyone. we'll be back. even stream the one where he creates the girl. with unlimited data, you can stream all the anthony michael hall movies you want. i wonder what he's up to these days maybe he's shopping in an at&t store? get unlimited data and your fourth line free when you have at&t wireless and directv. plus, get up to $650 in credits to help you switch.
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about them and they have people that love them and i love them, so their lives still matter. that is what i do this for. so make sure you stay with cnn for all-day coverage of the wisconsin presidential primaries. we've got it all covered for you. there are 42 delegates at stake for the republicans. 86 when it comes to democrats and it's going to be a battle for every last delegate. we're going to bring you all of
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the latest. make sure you tune in all day tomorrow and all night. that is it for us tonight. thank you so much for watching. "ac 360" with mr. anderson cooper starts right now. good evening. we begin tonight with breaking news. this network and the two democratic candidates have reached an agreement on another cnn debate. it's going to take place in new york city on the 14th. just five days before the primary in new york. wolf blitzer will be moderating. it is a fitting capper to a very full day in the run-up to tomorrow's primary. donald trump telling john kasich, hit the road jack, get out of the race, asking supporters to tell him seal the nomination. governor kasich, who is on the program tonight, calling ted cruz, senator smear, telling him and trump to get over it and put aside the personal attacks and prepare for a contested convention in cleveland. senator cruz with a late-night rally in walk ka shaw wisconsin saying there will only be two candidates left by


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