with a big win. the one thing cruz and trump agree on is governor kasich should drop out. but that ain't happening. >> this as they battle it out in wisconsin. razor-tight race. they have agreed to debate next week ahead of the new york primary. a debate, by the way, that will will air here on cnn. could wisconsin, though, spell trouble for both hillary clinton and donald trump? cnn all over this key primary day. i want to begin with cnn's phil mattingly here with us. >> good morning, zone. it has been a week for donald trump. a week that could set his campaign back. or it could mark a comeback. trump's advisers acknowledging that he is in trouble in wisconsin the last couple of days. trump still willing to predict this could be a big comeback story. both vying for the huge 42 delegates at stake in wisconsin tonight.
>> thank you, wisconsin. i love you. go out and vote. i love you. >> republican candidates exchanges insults ahead of a primary that could reshape the republican race. >> i've never, ever met anyone that lied like him. >> his security blanket is to insult people. >> i think they're becoming hysterical. >> donald trump on damage control after the worst week of his campaign. >> every week it's, it's the end of trump. then they walk in and say i don't know what happened. your poll numbers are through the roof. >> no matter who you are, man or woman, he treats everyone equal. >> i know that donald. it makes him feel really tough. it makes him feel like a very big man to threat especially
people. in particular, he seems to have a problem with strong women. >> once again denying tabloid reports accusing him of cheating on his wife. >> that attack was complete and utter garbage. it was complete lies. and it came from donald trump and his henchmen. >> both calling for john kasich to drop out of the race. >> he's 1 in 30. you ought to get the hell out. >> if you lose 49 states, you ain't going to be the republican nominee. >> a proposal that kasich flat out rejected. >> he said he needs to get out because he's getting my votes. and i want to have my votes. this is not fair! i thought we got out of the sandbox years ago. >> the ohio governor returning fire, accusing ted cruz playing dirty politics over campaign ads. >> he smeared ben carson. he smeared donald trump.
he smeared me. don't push me around. if you think you can push me around and get away with it, you're wrong. >> they said they do have a pathway to the 1,237 number. the number of delegates needed for trump to secure the nomination before the convention in cleveland f. ted cruz has a big night tonight, sweeping all 42 delegates or a good number of them, that will go a long way to blocking trump to that number. that at this point is really kind of the biggest game for what happens tonight in wisconsin. >> phil, appreciate it. let's discuss you all the goings on. we have cnn national political reporter maeve reston. jackie kucinich. got that intro. nailed it. should have written it a little more carefully. we have two more hours to get it right. when we are looking at this, play a piece of sound.
the conservative thinkers have united against trump. they have created team about why he is unelectable. i want to play this sound that is resonating with them. they say this is the theory of the case against trump. let's play the trump presidential boring as hell side. >> i could be presidential. but if i was presidential, we would only have 20% of you people here because it would be boring as hell i would say. let me be unpresidential for just a little while a little bit longer. maybe i will be unpresidential as i beat hillary we'll beat hillary so bad. >> this crowd and crowds across the country they cheer wildly. i know they're trump crowds. but they are growing and growing. in wisconsin, conservative radio hosts are saying did you hear what he just said there?
that's why he can't be president. >> trump is unfit to be president. they are hearing this over and over again about trump. they are kind of killing him in kindness in a way. they haven't been the giant blowouts we have seen in other parts of the country. but there were protesters. no one is really angry about it. last night was opening night at the ballpark in milwaukee. it seems they are more interested in sports than supporting trump. >> to me there is serious peril in the wisconsin results for donald trump. yes, he's way ahead in the delegate math. to get the clear majority on the first ballot, that goes away. and we could be in for two weeks, the next two weeks leading up to new york just
being this frenzy. trump has to know that. >> he does. you're hearing that certainly from this adviser as they said this would never be the best territory for them. this is the moment where anti-trump forces wanted to stop him. they believed they could boost ted cruz far enough up so they would deprive donald trump of the 1,237 number. so tonight is a huge night for that too. will the money keep coming in for the anti-trump forces? will it prove their case that he is, you know, able to be defeated. so that's why tonight's results are just going to be huge on the republican side. ted cruz has such a strange ground game. he has been working it in wisconsin. he could run away with it tonight. >> jackie, who do you want to be, ted cruz or john kasich if this stop trump phenomenon going
on within the party and some of the conservative radio elites, if this works and he doesn't get to 1,237, who do you want going into that convention? >> i want it to be me at the end of the day. >> doesn't work. you're too smart, too good looking. it doesn't work. >> he's going to different states and talking -- and securing delegates so on the second or third ballot he has -- i want it to be ted cruz. he will have a ground game on that convention floor that the others don't have right now. in particular, somewhere like louisiana, wyoming in these caucuses where they are electing delegates. they seem to have the advantage because they thought six steps ahead of the republican candidates. >> we heard one of the seminal sound bites yesterday saying where he thinks things are going and who he is fighting. he's fighting for his space at
the convention saying it's got to be me. it's got to be only me. and if it's not me, you, the establishment, you're all in trouble. he used the word revolt. >> this fever pipe dream in washington that at the convention they would parachute in some white knight who will save the washington establishment, it is nothing less than a pipe dream. it ain't going to happen. if it did, the people would quite rightly revolt. >> donald trump got in trouble for language a little bit harsher than that. ted cruz saying revolt. he is talking about john kasich somehow being the nominee or paul ryan or mitt romney at the last minute. >> well, i think this is such a great example of what ted cruz
has done so well in this race, which is the whole drafting strategy. just behind donald trump. not going quite as far as donald trump. but making the same case that he's the guy that can really take it to the establishment. this is a great argument for him to be talking about. there are a lot of republicans who would be angry if there was a last minute move to put up mitt romney or paul ryan on the convention floor. for ted cruz to sort of marshall his forces in and make himself, you know, part of that anti-establishment anger is a very smart move at this point. i think it's more likely ted cruz's people would be able to pull off a really successful floor fight. as jackie has said, we have seen them to organized in these states, including colorado this weekend where there will be unbound delegates. it will really help if trump
can't get to the 1237 number. >> no question cruz made good hires. he has big, strong names in his camp right now. the big question is if he gets pulled into a convention. do they like him enough? i know that sounds juvenile. very often that's what it comes down to. do you have enough peel, party superstructure who like you enough to go out and work those delegates. you need the party big shots to come behind at some point. this is a partisan system. i think it's a very interesting question. even if he goes 1 in 49. >> you heard him using harsh language. thanks so much for being with us. >> all right. we turn to the democrats now. bernie sanders and hillary clinton are locked in a heat in wisconsin. as the two rivals finally put the debate debacle to rest. the polls open in less than two hours's time. we have a date for this debate.
>> hey. good morning, michaela. yeah, that's right. bernie sanders is hoping to take all the time and energy he spent in wisconsin especially in the last week and translate into votes. he is leading hillary clinton in the polls. he's looking to run up the score today and take as many of the 86 delegates as possible. it may hinge a lot on can he get inspects to the poll in this open primary in wisconsin, inspects favoring bernie sanders over hillary clinton by a wide margin. the clinton campaign have been down playing expectations all week long, reminding reporters she lost to senator obama eight years ago by double digits. and pointing out that the state's majority white population favors sanders. perhaps it's not surprising that bernie sanders is sounding down right bullish on the campaign trail. >> i don't want to get hillary clinton more nervous than she already is. she's already under a lot of
pressure. so don't tell her this. but i think we win here, we win in new york state, we're on our way to the white house. >> winning in new york state is going to be a tall order for bernie sanders. hillary clinton leading by double digits. in fact, she campaigned in her home state to help solidify that lead. 250 delegates thereabouts up for grabs april 19th in new york. that's second only to california. remember, bernie sanders is lagging by about 240 delegates. he needs 75% of the delegates remaining to pledge the nomination. hillary clinton needs 35%. sanders is not giving up on winning in new york. in fact, just yesterday, sanders and clinton agreeing to debate right here on cnn april 14th. that's the first time the two will go head to head in over a month, michaela. >> all right, chris. hillary clinton and bernie sanders squaring off. it is scheduled for new york,
april 14th, which is five days before the new york primary. fallout this morning from the explosive panama papers. protesters jamming the streets of iceland's capital declaring the prime minister step down. he is one of many world leaders, businesses, executives, and celebrities named in this huge document leak for using offshore accounts. ukraine, pakistan, saudi arabia also was implicated. grassly plans to explain to judge garland why he will not considered granting any nominee a hearing until a new president is in office. garland will meet with two others today. well, it is already being called the greatest buzzer beater in ncaa tournament
history. andy scholes is in houston. look how smiley he is. talking about this unbelievable win by villanova. what a game. >> unbelievable, michaela. i have been to lots of sporting events, lots of basketball games. this was the best by far. what an ending. incredible. michael jordan in attendance to cheer on his tar heels here in houston. they were down by three with under 10 seconds to go when senior marcus page hit an up believable shot to tie the game. villanova had four seconds left on the clock. chris jenkins knocks down is the shot at the buzzer. this will go down as one of the greatest shots in basketball history. villanova wins, their first championship since 1985. and i caught up with the hero, chris jenkins, moments after his legendary shot. >> tell me what was going
through your head when that ball came out of your hands. >> every time i catch the shoot i'm fortunate enough to get a shot off i think they're all going in. that shot was no different. i went two steps and let it go. >> what are you thinking right now? can you believe what happened? >> i just want to say hello. >> the scene on campus incredible. everyone just went into a frenzy, started jumping up and down, high-fiving everyone around. the party may still be being on right now. jenkins has been a great story tore us in houston last week. he was adopted by the family of a north carolina family. his family brought jenkins in when they were in high school. and brent said after the game, he congratulated him on making that shot. since he's his brother, he kind of wishes anyone else would have
made that shot. now he has bragging rights pretty much the rest of their lives. >> oh, that's fantastic. and i love the adoption. both andy and i are adopted. i love hearing that connection to the story. can you imagine? did you see that crowd? >> there is a victory for the big east. this is a smaller school going against big guys there. >> that's what makes this tournament so amazing. you start with all 64. you come down. there is all of these analyses of what can happen. it makes politics look like science. you get to the end and that one shot. that point guard has to get his due too. that was my position. to be there and take the big shot. bernie sanders, hillary clinton neck and neck in wisconsin. can one of them pull off a buzzer beater? it could change the dynamic in the democratic race.
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all eyes on wisconsin today. voters head to the polls on the democratic side. the sanders campaign want to secure a sixth win tonight. this is in a row basically. people voting here. they won that momentum. will it be enough to break into hillary clinton's delegate lead? guys, the polls up until today, jackie, have had hillary clinton in trouble in wisconsin trailing berne skwrapbders by a little bit. this is a state she wants, but the clinton campaign at this point concedes is tough for them. >> they have been dialing back expectations about a week on how they will perform in wisconsin. she has been spending time in new york and pennsylvania in contests that are a couple weeks away. any democrat favors bernie sanders. there is a lot of millennials. it's a predominantly white state. should he have a victory here,
it's how big going into new york. it is the real battleground and where things will go down in about a week. >> maeve, bernie sanders is saying, look, another $44 million i just raised. i have the will of the people. hillary clinton's campaign says $2.5 million is our number. that's how many more votes we have received from democrats than bernie sanders. which is more impressive and why. >> well, i mean, you think about that number for bernie sanders. it's a really good number. if he had to run a real race, you could wipe out that $44 million in a couple of weeks. i think this is such a tough argument for both of them. because tonight is so crucial for sanders because he has to have a huge surge of momentum to get into those states coming up like pennsylvania, new york, california, new jersey. as hillary clinton's campaign
manager pointed out, he would have to win 60% delegates in those states, more than that, really to make this a real contest. there's a lot riding on this for sanders tonight. because if he doesn't do well, this could start to wind down >> if you read that, he is arguing he has math is and passion. that's the 2.35 million votes means right there. you can see a quote right there. the sanders campaign path forward relies on overturning the will will of the vote oers of the 2.5 million more people who voted for hillary and given her those impressive primary wins in these states. that's the argument you're hearing from the clinton campaign. the fact that they are making
the argument so strenuously and putting up the memo, it shows if they're not nervous, at least they're annoyed. >> well, you saw that a annoyance come out a little bit last week with hillary clinton and the greenpeace protester. the sanders campaign is getting under their skin. they have no reason to drop out. they are still fund-raising. they're still putting points up on the board. now, as that memo said, the math isn't really in their favor. but still what -- if you were the sanders campaign, why would you drop out at this point? >> i don't think anybody is talking about him dropping out. certainly of all bernie sanders. but that's the clear implication of what they are saying, suspect it? the idea that the math were isn't there.
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attacks. even more closely to those attacks, we know authorities are looking for an additional eight suspects who they believe have connections to abaaoud, who is considered to be the ringleader of the attacks, or salah abdeslam. he remained at large four and a half months. he was found in brussels just last month, michaela. while the searches across europe continue, there is a manhunt here in brussels. still trying to track down the third bomber. i'll take it. thank you very much for reporting on this. we'll check back with you later in the show. right now a quick break. can authorities in europe track down all the suspects in the paris and brussels attacks? more and more they believe this is about one group of bad guys. how extensive, how numerous is this cell? we'll discuss next.
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it has been two weeks since the brussels terror attacks. we're learning about a large number of islamic radicals with ties to the brussels is and paris attacks still at large. just how big is this terror network? gentlemen, two weeks ago today we were in this live coverage of this horrifying event. we are still discussing because the tentacles are still there. they are chasing dozens of thesis lambic radicals linked to the brussels terror network. they know many of them are people who have returned from fighting abroad. what does this say to you about the breadth of this network? >> the breadth is is tremendous. it's the first time you have had a jihadist network able to carry
out a major attack, the paris attack. and then bear the full brunt of law enforcement resources being dropped down upon it and carry out another attack, the brussels attack. and even after that attack, which was four months after the first one, authorities have said they only now are getting their heads wrapped around this network. that speaks to quite a bit. the fact that you still have dozens, including seemingly, according to french reports, the senior bomb maker, still at large, means it has the capacity to attack again. it shows just how much authorities are overstretched and lack information. >> only now, ryan, understanding how big this could be. you're there. give us an idea how you think belgian authorities are reacting to this. are they behaving as though they understand that they have got to get to the bottom of it? >> yes. but the truth is they're in over their heads. and i think the reality, michaela, they have known for
quite a long time it was this big. they were perhaps not aware how skilled the bomb making capacities were or how advanced some of the plans were. but the authorities we have been speaking to in the aftermath of the paris attacks is and one week before said they expected 170 known radicals to return. they thought 40 of them were ready to cause major damage either in belgium or elsewhere. so if anything, i'm a little surprised that the number of 22 -- i think it could possibly be larger. and i think the belgian authorities haven't had the manpower and haven't been able to benefit from enough of the information sharing across different european authorities to really get on top of this. and that's a very hard thing to turn around quickly. it's not something you can click your fingers and get another 100 agents doing surveillance overnight. >> we understand that is not something that can happen quickly. cnn hasn't been able to verify
that number. you said this face of the network dates back some 15 years, back in to 9/11. is it just too ingrained in the culture? >> to be clear, i'm talking about varioused radical elements there. when a sued was assassinated, he was killed just two days before the 9/11 attacks as a precursor to the attacks. he was killed by belgians with links to members of this network the the current one that carried out attacks is in many ways new and related to the rise of isis in syria. but the radicalism is and extremism dates back to sharia,
which helped facilitate fighters over to iraq and syria. this is a major problem. what european authorities need to be thinking about is not just getting people for terrorism offenses. rather, they can take a page from what the u.s. did with al capone. he was the u.s.'s first celebrity criminal. he was ultimately arrested, indicted and went to prison not for bootlegging, murder, or being a mobster but income tax evasion. they need to get these guys off the streets. >> the fact is you have to be able to track them down. that's the biggest challenge. so many of them by this account, over two dozen, are on the run. they don't know where they are. that will be the challenge right there, trying to track them down. thank you so much for joining us today. all right. let's take a quick break. voters in wisconsin heading to the polls this morning. the economy clearl one of the biggest concerns. which candidate do they think is
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donald trump says, partly sarcastically, being presidential would be boring as hell. whatever you think about trump's unorthodox campaign it is not boring. our next guest spent time in trump's inner circle. the revealing new york cover story that takes you behind the scenes of operation trump. >> the magazine's editor gabriel sherman. gabe wrote it. gabe, you were inside the trump operation. but that means something different than it might for a traditional campaign. >> yes. it's a very different kind of operation, a very small operation. unlike a traditional candidate who travels with teams of advisers, media coaches, donald
trump is running a campaign with those wrapped into one. it is a one-man show. he has a small tightknit circle to carry out his wishes. >> how much time and inclusion do you think you got? and during that time, did you ever hear anyone say, no, no, no you're wrong. don't do that. you're wrong. >> so i went to trump tower headquarters. it is buried in the back room, a boiler room o fifth floor. there's exposed ceiling wires. it looks like a college newspaper. in fact, they are better decorated than trump headquarters. i saw him in florida. spent time in his executive office. i really got an inside look. what was fascinating, whatever you think about donald trump, he is a political savant.
eggs not poll testing, focus testing anything. >> nobody was checking him? >> no. he did not test things. the in famous speech where he said mexico was sending rapists into america. it's a remarkable story. >> great details. the wall of shame. you have some people commenting that there are signs of, i don't know, weakness or trouble in trump world. people say he's tired. people say they have never seen him so tired. punishing abortion seekers might have a function of sheer exhaustion. >> yeah. he has been going nonstop. when i saw him in florida, he started in hickory, north carolina. flew to tampa, at the end of the
day youngstown, ohio. he does not like to sleep in hotels. he flies around. which means 2:00, 3:00 in the morning. it is hot, constricting. he is physically exhausted. some people say the gaffes the last week have been because he's tired, worn out. >> is his baseline tactic of returning what he sees as attacks ten fold as his wife said just last night? is that narcissism or pragmatism? >> it is probably a combination of the two. i write about this at the end of the piece. it will be hard for a lot of people to talk about. is he going to pivot to be presidential. as you pointed out, he said it would be boring as hell.
i don't see donald trump fundamentally becoming a new person. this is who he is. he's been this way on the public stage. >> he thinks this is what works or both? >> in public, he has been playing this character 40 years, along before "the apprentice." he was a tabloid villain. he was the brash, cocky, real estate scion. this is the script he knows how to play. >> they say do a few polls, travel a little bit more. does trump see any of that? >> you know, i think -- the thing that i got from my interviews is he really wished he won ohio. he said he wish he had two more days of campaigning. because if he did win ohio, that would have closed the deal. i think the fact that kasich won ohio. he didn't close the deal on super tuesday. he is going to slog it out for
delegates. trump does not have the infrastructure ted cruz has to maneuver and muscle these delegates. >> they seem very well or he seems very well equipped to fight the fight. but is he ready to win it and do what you need to do if you become the nominee or even president of the united states. now, there is a bit of insider intrigue. the fox stuff. the idea that donald trump may have something on fox roger ailes. >> i've been covering the fox trump feud since he teed off on megyn kelly at the first debate. how is it he has been able to do something no republican has been able to do, which is openly challenge and criticize fox news. what i learned in the course of reporting this piece, donald trump was brought into a secret
negotiation that took place in 2013 with roger ailes and his along time p.r. confidante ryan lewis who was fired in the month before i published a biography of ails. he knows all the shady behind the scenes things roger ailes has done. he was going to go public if he wasn't paid a big severance deal. to settle, roger ailes called his close friend donald trump and said, mediate. you can get a deal done. you know his lawyer. get these the guys in a room and get this done. and he did this. negotiations were conducted out of trump tower. in the open negotiations he learned the chips and the cards that lewis was going to play. that information was worth millions of dollars. he had $8 million. decided the nondisclosure. and went away quietly. now he is privy to that information. presumably roger ailes knows that.
that's why you have not seen coverage of fox news trying to destroy donald trump. >> it is a pretty explosive charge. one is that donald trump was a wolf figure from pulp fiction, going in and fixing the situation there. >> trump himself told me that. >> has ailes or anyone else confirmed that? >> they're not getting in on it does he say trump has a file on fox? >> they do not dispute it? he was saying i was brought in. this is a messy situation. >> can you imagine roger ailes, as sophisticated as this guy is, as well connected as he is, as battle hardened as he is, calling up donald trump and say will you negotiate with my p.r. guy's lawyer. >> it shows what a master operator donald trump is. long before donald trump was a
presidential candidate he was a close friend of roger ailes. he had a weekly call-in on fox and friends. he was in the fox orbit. he does this favor for ailes. it's a card he can play. now it's useful for him down the line. this is the way donald trump maneuvers. famously he said he paid the clintons to come to his wedding. when it was useful for him on the debate stage, he said that to attack hillary clinton. he said of course i paid them. that made the clintons look bad. but he used it when it served his interest. >> a lot in that article. >> reminds me of the time you started that brawl in des moines, iowa and it and i had to pull you out of there. >> donald trump came in. >> good thing we had him. >> we have a lot of news for you. the eve of the wisconsin primary. voting will start very soon. let's get to it. >> if we do well here, folks, it's over. >> if you lose 49 states, you ain't going to be the republican
nominee. >> i'm going to get out? >> i told him the leftovers. >> they are selling americans short. >> don't tell them this, we're on our way to the white house. >> chuck grassley will meet garland but won't make any promises. >> let the people have the voice. >> it is unprecedented not to give this nominee a hearing. >> the greatest college national championship game ever. >> this is when chris general became a hero. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> james earl jones. good morning. back to your "new day". alisyn is off. stkwrfplt b. is with me and mick. up first, wisconsin voters ready to chart a new course in the 2016 race. this is big what happens. the voting starts soon.
big results don't. donald trump, hillary clinton, big tests in this wisconsin contest. senator ted cruz hoping that this delegate rush, if he can get this, could change the calculus of this race. i'm laughing because the governor says not happening. >> they are running pretty close in wisconsin. is sanders leading in most polls there. the democrats have finally agreed to a big debate ahead of the new york primary. a big cnn debate. that will be huge. we'll start, though, on this issue of wisconsin. cnn's phil mattingly. >> john, for ted cruz and pretty much anybody who wants to stop donald trump, this is a big day. double digits. coming off a week that could be generously called rough. and wisconsin is an electorate
off three years. they know a thing or two about politics. donald trump is proving over and over in the primary season. writing him off probably not the brightest idea. >> thank you, wisconsin. i love you. go out and vote. i love you. >> finally, 24-hour blitz. the republican candidates exchanges insults and fighting for votes ahead of a primary that could reshape the republican race. >> i've never ever met anyone that lied about him. >> every week it's the end of trump. then they walk in, i don't know what happened but your poll numbers went through the roof. >> no matter who you are, a man
or woman, he treats everyone equal. >> senator ted cruz looking to capitalize on trump's weakness. >> i know donald. it makes him feel very tough. it makes him feel like a big man to threaten people. >> accusing him of cheating on his wife. >> that attack was complete and utter garbage. it was complete lies. >> and it came from donald trump and his henchmen. >> both calling for john kasich to drop out of the race. >> he's 1 in 30. he ought to get the hell out. honestly. >> if you lose 49 states, you ain't going to be the republican nominee. >> a proposal that kasich flat out rejected. >> he said he needs to get out because he's getting my votes. and i want to have my votes. this is not fair.
i thought we got out of the sandbox years ago. >> the ohio governor returning fire, accusing ted cruz playing dirty politics over campaign ads. >> he smeared ben carson. he smeared donald trump. he smeared me. don't push me around. if you think you can push me around and get away with it, you're wrong. >> they said they do have a pathway to the 1,237 number. that's what tonight is all about. a big and surprising performance by trump in wisconsin would keep the pathway to 1,237 open. the pitch battles for allegiance at the state level, the things we have seen play out the last couple of weeks, those become the focus. it is increasingly likely the race will not be decided until the gop convention in cleveland, chris >> those are the stakes, my friend. thank you very much. back with you in a second. let's talk right now. will this be the wisconsin primary, the game changer in
this race. joining us is wisconsin john duffy. what do you think is going to happen tonight? >> i think it will be close, as the polls have shown. i think ted cruz has a slight edge because of the scott walker endorsement. if you look at how the delegates stack up, it is who wins each congressional district. donald trump is not going to get stumped tonight. >> if he comes away with a lot more. you know the numbers better than i do. that does change going forward. it makes 1,237 harder. you have to have 54%, 55% on of remaining delegates. how does that happen?
>> it is going to be hard for trump. what happened with cruz. does he have momentum out of wisconsin as he comes to new york? we don't know how it plays out. it is continually influx. they want a guy who will fight for them. i want someone who is going to fight for me, america, and my job. he is the guy that's doing it. you have the southeast corner, milwaukee area. a lot of republican conservative voters. buff in the northern part, yeah, it's rural but there are still a lot of voters out there. he has taken the page out of scott walker. he is traveling around doing retail politics, shaking hands. they love that in my district. but donald trump has this energy. he has thousands of people coming to his rally in super,
wisconsin. a democrat stronghold. fascinating. >> the big brains, the conservative radio. i say that with respect. they banded together. they say, you're right, congressman. he has tons of energy, celebrity, popularity. none of those make him commander in chief. they have united against trump. it looks like they have taken a bite out of it. >> they have. that's a playbook other states can move going forward in new york or california. they are talking conservative establishment republicans. the trump voters, they are winnable by democrats or republicans. no one has been talk to go them. they have been left out of the political process. when donald comes into the mix and says i'm going to fight for you. i'm looking out for your family, for your border. that's the unique development. the others don't touch this
class of voter. if you look at what scott walker did, scott walker won the recalls not because of southeast wisconsin. he came to my part of the state and was able to engage with people. you can win them. you talk to them, fight for them. and that's been the donald trump playbook. >> walker got beaten around in his presidential bid. but calling the state average. he likens to nikki haley in south carolina. i don't think it's the same dynamic. i don't know how you look at the voters and say you're average, how that helps. >> when donald trump comes after scott walker and the reforms, which most were republican conservative voters, know these reforms are working, he takes the liberal progressive talking point in his three forms, that does not go well. this was going to be a donald
trump win in wisconsin. until he started to attack scott walker. and you started to see the polls change and ted cruz get action. >> interesting to see whether he is able in the final hours to change tactic and help himself in returns. let me ask you something, paul ryan, friend of yours, yes? >> yes. good wisconsin guy too. >> i know that he is. i know the rnc said our nominee will be somebody who is running right now. but it doesn't have to be, does it? there is a lot of energy, to use the trump word, around bringing someone, very specifically, ryan, in. possibility? not probability. possibility? >> if there is a brokered convention it is a possibility. but it is not probable. this is not going to happen. what we will see is a unification of the republican party. you will see cruz folks and
trump folks come together. i am doing a unity rally tonight in wisconsin because you have a division in the party. we have to unify and come together. if you haven't run in iowa you shouldn't be on the ballot. i agree with that. paul is smart. he realizes if you take this away from trump or cruz, you divide the party. what if it is kasich? you do not have uniters in the party when you look at trump or cruz. they didn't get where they are by being uniters in the party. >> kasich has been on the ballot and hasn't been able to win. >> so you think it has to be one of these two? >> i do think so. you would be hard pressed to see paul ryan step into the mix and try to take the nomination away from one of these guys. >> what was the best shot, lore zone zoe charles had the
alley-oop or last night? >> the shot from villanova will be in wisconsin tonight. bernie sanders. >> you don't see bernie as a low post guy? he's from brooklyn. >> he has a great sharp elbow. >> congressman, thank you for being with us. always a pleasure. >> we will is city on wisconsin. bernie sanders and hillary clinton neck and neck. all of this as the rivals close the curtain on the so-called debate dilemma. chris frates live in green bay. polls open in less than an hour, chris. >> that's exactly right, michaela. bernie sanders is hoping all this time and energy he has put in in the last week translates into votes. he is leading hillary clinton in the polls.
going forward he's hope he can translate that to a big win today. expectations here, reminding reporters that she lost to barack obama here in wisconsin by double digits. and that the state is a largely white state that plays to his favor. not surprisingly, bernie sanders is sounding down right bullish. >> i don't want to get hillary clinton more nervous than she already is. she's already under a lot of pressure. so don't tell her this. but i think we win here, we win in new york state, we're on our way to the white house. >> now, win anything new york state is going to be a tall order for bernie sanders. hillary clinton leading by double digits. in fact, she campaigned in her home state to help solidify that lead. there's no spice as to why. 250 delegates thereabouts up for debate. that's second only to california. remember, bernie sanders is lagging by about 240 delegates.
while there is no winner take all, he needs 75% of the delegates remain to go clinch the nomination. hillary clinton needs 35%. sanders is not giving up on winning in new york. sanders and clinton agreeing just yesterday to debate here on cnn april 14th. that's the first time the two will go head to head in over a month, michaela. >> nice to know not just us who have scheduling issues. apparently they have it as well. thank you for that. hillary clinton and bernie sanders squaring off. it is scheduled for new york, april 14th, which is five days before the new york primary. supreme court nominee garland will get a face-to-face meeting with senator chuck grassley, but he will not get a confirmation hearing any time soon. that's what grassley says. manu raju live. democrats believe
republicans would be under such enormous pressure they would deflect en masse from their party leadership. only two gop senators are calling for hearings, the same before the recess. a couple backtracked, getting pummeled by the right flank. chuck grass ley chairs the committee. he's in charge of holding hearings. but according to an aide, he told garland that he would be happy to have breakfast with him to discuss why no nominee will get confirmed until there is a new president. chuck grassley up for reelection himself. getting protests back home. he does not believe this will affect his race. they will rally supporters in november. the democratic campaign isn't yielding much. two meetings scheduled this morningment don't expect a whole lot more, chris. >> all right, manu. hey, at least it's a start, right? a thrilling edge of your
seat finish to the college basketball season. literally one for the books. villanova, final seconds of the game. the game had just been tied. the big three to win over the favored north carolina haar deals, 77-74. literally one for the ages. nobody feels that more than my pal named andy scholes with the bleacher report this morning. literally this is one that is going to live for a long time. >> absolutely, chris. if you're going to get one hour of sleep, this is the game to do it for. this is one of the best games i've ever been to. one of the best in the history of college basketball. an incredible finish. let's take a look how it all went down. michael jordan in attendance to cheer on his tar heels here in houston. they were down by three with under 10 seconds to go when senior marcus page hit an up believable shot to tie the game. villanova had four seconds left on the clock. they would get the ball up the court.
chris jenkins knocks down the shot at the buzzer. this will go down as one of the greatest shots in basketball history. villanova wins, their first championship since 1985. and i caught up with the hero, chris jenkins, moments after his legendary shot. >> tell me what was going through your head when that ball came out of your hands. >> every time i catch the shoot i'm fortunate enough to get a shot off i think they're all going in. that shot was no different. i went two steps and let it go. >> what are you thinking right now? can you believe what happened? 12k3w4r i just want to meet chuck. i just want to say hello. >> the scene on campus incredible. everyone just went into a frenzy, started jumping up and down, high-fiving everyone around. classes are canceled today. all the students that partied into the night, they can sleep in and enjoy the victory even
longer. jenkins has been a great story all week in houston. he was adopted by the family of a north carolina player. his family brought jenkins in when they were in high school. the brents were in attendance and his birth mother. his birth mother jumped into his arms. you could have made a movie about him before. it's even better after. >> all right. andy scholes, thanks so much. classes canceled. the bookstore is open for any students who want to go. >> that was everybody. >> the last time this happened for this university, for villanova, they had an amazing team in the '80s. it puts that university -- you're going to be talking about it in a way that you wouldn't have. that man's life will never be the same. >> bernie sanders, hillary
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i think the secretary is getting very nervous. poll after poll shows us doing much better against trump than she is. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders locked in a razor tight race in wisconsin. voters heading to the polls in less than an hour. six of the last seven democratic contests. so, is the clinton campaign worried? here to discuss is democratic strategist and senior adviser for a pro clinton superpac. also with us van jones. paul, i want to start with you. bernie sanders said hillary clinton is nervous. by extension, that means you. are you nervous? >> i love that. about as nervous as chris jenkins last night.
it was a huge night in d.c. especially at my house. but no. let me correct that. >> you confused yourself with a basketball reference. are you nervous about the campaign? >> of course. the only two ways to run are scared and unopposed. hillary is not unopposed. anybody who puts their name on a ballot with an opponent. he has about 40% of the vote so far in this process. that's impressive. it is distant second to hillary. am i worried hillary will not be the nominee? no. do i take the campaign very seriously? of course. he's registering voteers. he's getting more attention. >> it is impressive. >> it is a distant second. >> he received $44 million last
month. that is a blank load of money, paul. it's a lot more than hillary clinton took in last month. he has beaten her in fund-raising the last three months. that's big. that is cause for being nervous, more than just standard run of the mill you always run nervous. >> of course. it's impressive. he is running a great campaign. but he is running a great campaign that is almost 700 delegates behind hillary clinton even greater campaign. hats off to bernie. he is running a terrific race. by the way, this news about having a debate, i can't remember what network that is going to be on, our network, debate in new york will be terrific. it will be a must view performance. i think it's all to the good. part of the reason i'm happy this is still going on, it gets more attention for the democrats. we will never be able to compete with the trump apocalypse.
>> i can't believe they are still happy it's going on at this point. van jones, though, does paul have a point there? despite the fact that bernie sanders is taking in all the money, despite he won 5 out of the last six contests, how does he come up with the math? >> first of all, it is a tough road for him. he knows that. everybody knows that. let's take out some of the superdelegates. he still has to get 55, 60% of the votes out there. here's the reality, though. when you're talking about $42 million, $43 million and only 3% or 4% of your people have maxed out, you're talking about a very broad base of people. they're getting 13 bucks, on their atm card every month. her folks are already maxed out. that means he has a real movement.
she's got to respect that. when you get to the general election and beyond, the future of this party is in his hands. these young voters are with him. and she's got to deal with -- she can't go around saying i feel sorry for his voters because they can't do basic research. she can't be the chair of the bernie or bust movement, which is what she did with the horrible gaffe over the weekend. >> he's not running to make a statement. the way he is running right now is still run to go win. >> absolutely. >> he wants to win. he wants to be president. and hillary clinton's campaign said that's all but impossible. he said the sanders campaign path forward relies on overturning the will of the voters. essentially saying, you know, it would take delegate machinations for bernie sanders. >> well, what's interesting about that is the superdelegates. here's a scenario, just to give you one. suppose he continues to rack up these type of victories. he's having the momentum.
she is sagging and limping and sagging and limping. there is a reason to think she just couldn't pull it off, that's why you have a convention. is that likely? highly up likely. but that is the hope of this movement. but the other thing, let's not forget, there is a real fight in this party over ideas. is it okay to say single payer. or if you say single payer do you hate obama. we want to be able to put out bigger ideas without being accused of being against the president. that has given a kind of nastiness not as much the candidates but the activists. that has to heal if democrats are going to do well in november. >> thank you for bringing up basketball. i could talk that game all day long. coming up, we'll hear from
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donald trump giving the voters something they have been asking for. he's going to build a wall, right? out comes a memo for team trump saying what the headline is by blocking remittances, money people send from this country to other countries, specifically mexican aliens that in the memo says cannot show they are in this country lawfully. you are new relatively with the campaign, not new to this business. why is this the right way to pay for this wall? >> well, i mean, i think let's look at the situation in totality. trump is a tough negotiator. he knows how to get deals done.
we see that historically in his businesses. i wall we need in mexico. >> blocking remit taps. they are basically usually money that the workers make here and send home to their incredibly impoverished families. is that the right kind of leverage to use or is it abusing the victims? >> it is not abusing the victims. it is the responsibility of the president of the united states and the commander in chief to make sure our economy is sound. using that leverage is what needs to happen in order to get this done. >> how does trump get it done? if he were to become president, obviously, a strong arm executive action, something that donald trump and many republicans criticize about
president obama all the time how does he get something ike this through? >> well, just as he stated in the memo, positioning the deal of strength, negotiating, strong armed as it needs to be done in order to make it happen. those executive orders remain a resource for a reason. and to be used delicately. as commander in chief, you have to make tough decisions. rebuilding our economy and making america great again is exactly what he will do when he is elected. >> so this is the big primary. ted cruz is trying to change the delegate calculus. it requires him to get 50% to be sure. what do you think happens in wisconsin and what do you think it means? >> historically mr. trump does well in primaries.
the energy in wisconsin is great. arg released a poll. it now has us in the lead. the energy is great. wisconsin voters can see through the establishment rhetoric and all the lies of the cruz campaign. they will show is up at the polls, get out the vote. >> how do you think it is repairing the damage with the punitive statements about the women who have abortions? >> this is rhetoric overplayed, overdiscussed. mr. trump made several statements clarifying his position that he is pro life
with exception just as ronald reagan was. >> the only problem is that it came out of his mouth, not mine. these are his words. we had steve forbes on the show the other day. he had a republican running at this has to nail that answer 10 times out of 10. fair criticism? >> i don't believe so. he speaks from his heart. he's got great support from women, from all walks of life. i think i say stance is more than fair. >> is losing in wisconsin something that the campaign is wear of? they said we never had it in our
calculus. that is "news to me". how important is your state? >> i think every state is important. every vote is important. american is important in the process of electing a president. we are campaigning, touching, talking to every segment of wisconsin to get out the vote. we will not stop until the election is over. ? how much part of the campaign planning is now if you don't get to the magic number? >> i think we're focused on the win. we're not focused on the negative. we will get to the magic number. we have states ahead of us where we are way ahead of the other candidates. and we are going to continue to campaign hard. this is overwhelming the historical support throughout the country to make america great again. this is a revolution. americans are sick of the
establishment and the government rhetoric that they don't work for us. this is the time to make america great again. >> thank you. welcome to "new day". good luck don't. >> thanks, chris. >> all right. mick? >> the question is will wisconsin be the game changer? trump and clinton's status as clear front-runners on the line. we will look at how the state's primary could change the race. c! well, the living room's a disaster! you should see the bathroom! (vo) most insurance companies give you every reason to avoid them. i'm looking for my keys! plants need planting! well the leaves aren't going to rake themselves! (vo) nationwide is different. hon, did you call nationwide to check on our claim? (vo) we put members first. actually, they called me. ♪ nationwide is on your side what if 30,000 people download the new app? we're good. okay... what if a million people download the new app? we're good.
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polls as we speak. it is a crucial primary for both the democrats and republicans. so how will things change after today? let's bring in cnn political analyst david gregory. why is this primary different from all others? in other words, what changes tomorrow? >> right out of the box you ask him that. that's tough. >> he'll appreciate it. >> right out of the box. why is this so different? because this represents an opportunity for this never trump movement to take root in a way it has not taken root before. it gives the opportunity for cruz to win a primary he hasn't won since march 1st in texas and oklahoma. and kasich to stay in the race, maybe keep up some delegates. how many months do people say, oh, if trump says this, that's disqualifying. and nothing happened. now you have a stripping of a
week to two weeks. but a hard look at the trump campaign and whether he can't win beyond his base of support. white men without a college education. he goes into states where you have more moderate voters. ted cruz says if i get a decent showing tonight in wisconsin, he has to win. donald trump has to win 54% plus. >> actually more. >> then 57%. okay. so he a hasn't done that yet. what does that numbers wise?
is that a true statement? meaning he can't get to 1,237. >> that number gets higher depending how trump does today. there is still an opportunity if he performs well in the district where voters might come out for him in wisconsin to get some delegates. otherwise, he needs a high percentage. maybe closer to two-thirds on the board still in order to get to 1,237. it is more difficult for cruz. if you're cruz and kasich, you want to get to an open convention. you understand that even if trump doesn't do well in wisconsin, if he loses wisconsin, where do you go? you go to new york. a base of strength for him.
one of the things about the base of support, chris, you're right about the optics. but try to be analytical. how you put that together. the base of support trump talks about is strong. it's been durable. but can you win a general election based on that. >> the question, is that still the case tomorrow, wednesday, thursday. let's switch to the democratic side. hillary clinton trailing bernie sanders in most of the polls heading into voting today. if hillary clinton loses wisconsin, even if it's close there, david, what does this do to the clinton team? >> well, again, they can say they have been anticipating a months in wisconsin. largely white progressive state with a great tradition for a long time. there is still a lot of momentum for bernie sanders at this point. he's well funded. he's raising a lot of money. i spoke to a democratic
consultant who had a great line yesterday. he said hope, especially when well funded is hard to extinguish. it mirrors support. progress if's. we don't want hillary clinton to believe in the message and the character and the characteristics of a trust bernie sanders. we see that play in wisconsin. momentum going into the northeast. you might be able to challenge her in new york. they have an agreement on a new debate. it gives them more oxygen and an opportunity to keep fighting. it will not ex extinguish the hope and momentum. it makes her seem like a weaker front-runner in the end. i think that's what they are trying to avoid. >> the number they are using is $2.5 million, the clinton team. why does the media keep saying
pwerpy sanders has all the momentum when we have 2.5 million votes from democrats? >> look, i don't think the clinton campaign can fairly complain about the media not assessing this race accurately. we have been talking about the position she is in that barack obama was in. that's absolutely there. we are looking at her strength as a candidate. she is vulnerable. she's going to need that level of enthusiasm in the fall no matter who she is with. >> he recovered well from that ambush question that you asked him out of the box which i thought was unfair and a little untoward. >> david gregory, thank you so much. tweet us at "new day", or post on facebook.
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>> i think you are going to see wisconsin, and you are going to see the polarity of wisconsin. ted cruz on the republican side and bernie sanders on the democrat. about as far to the left and conservative to the right as you can go. it reflects wisconsin's polarity in politics. >> clean sweep for cruz getting every delegate? >> i wouldn't predict that but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets them all. >> you are a long time never trump guy. you started that movement way before others did. you long said you are not going to vote for donald trump. urn a recent addition to the ted cruz team. recently endorsing him. you have also questioned his electability in the past. do you still have concerns that ted cruz might have electability issues? >> well, you know, the one thing i've seen about ted cruz is that
he's actually improving in the national polls. and his numbers against hillary clinton are looking better and better every single week. and so some of those concerns have moved away from me. i believe that if ted cruz is the republican nominee in the fall, he is likely the next president of the united states. >> ted cruz says that, when it gets to a convention, even if he doesn't have the majority of delegates on the first ballot, the only options they will have he says are donald trump and ted cruz. he says if anyone else tries to come in late and take it on the floor, that that would be dishonest and not should be allowed. and he said there would be a revolt. let's listen. >> well i -- >> this fevered pipe dream of washington, that at the convention they will parachute in some white knight who will
save the washington establishment. it is nothing less than a pipe dream. it ain't gonna happen. if it did, the people would quite rightly revolt. >> first of all, do you agree with him that it should be trump, cruz or no one else? >> well, i think that is where the delegate count is leading us. i don't think it is going to be somebody from the outside. and paul ryan has been clear himself, saying listen, our republican nominee ought to be someone actually running for president. so it is likely to be one of the leading contenders at the conventions is likely to be the winner. >> likely is different than it must be which is what ted cruz is saying. and he's saying if it is not, there will be a revolt. and those are strong words. i don't know what he means by revolt. a political revolt where people write strongly worded letters or a literal revolt. donald trump got in trouble when he suggested there be riots in cleveland. >> i think you have to have senator cruz about that. but if you look at u.s. history,
and i would take a little different tact than senator cruz did. the convention delegates ultimately will be responsible for choosing if in fact it becomes contested. it then becomes the responsibility of the senator and donald trump and john kasich and those who have delegates to convince those delegates at the convention that they should receive the majority of the votes. it is up to them to do the convincing and the persuading and the cajoling. and the one thing about senator cruz is he's very, very good at the ground game and at grassroots. and it would not surprise me if he comes out of the convention with the nomgs because of it. >> very strong organization. but to be clear you do suggest he maybe went too far saying there be a revolt if it went to someone besides ted cruz or donald trump. >> well history would say that is not the case. but i think you should ask senator cruz directly. >> and we will. as soon as we can. i have to ask about something that happened in your state.
wisconsin. known for its cheese. ted cruz toured a cheese house. but he refused to put on a cheese head. we have a picture of this right now. was that a mistake? should he had of donned the cheese hat that his daughter did? >> his daughter is pretty smart. i'll tell you this, up in wisconsin, green bay packers are the heart of green bay and the heart of wisconsin. and certainly they are willing to take on anything in texas. so herobably should have put it on but i see it all as good fun. >> no hats in politics but you is i it was a mistake. great for having eobut us. pleesht it. >> good to be with you. >> we are following a lot of news. the polls set to open in wisconsin in seconds. wisconsin in seconds. let's get to it.
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with me and mic. and the polls are now open in this flash point state of wisconsin. today's results could have a dramatic impact on both sides of the race. will the gop race will reset if ted cruz takes a big chunk of these delegates and makes the magic number for donald trump 1237 almost impossible to achieve? >>nd on the democratic side, hillary clinton and bernie sanders a tight race in wisconsin. if bernie sanders can make it 6 out of 7, if he wins there, should the clinton campaign be worried? all this as the two finally agree to a debate, right here on cnn on april 14th. we're going to speak with both campaign managers in moments. we have today the wisconsin primary, covered only the way cnn n. let's bring with chris live in green bay where at long last voting is under way. >> announcer: that is right, and bernie sanders is leading hibbert in the po hillary clinton in the poles. hillary clinton has been down
playing expectations all week long, remind reporters that she lost this state to barack obama in 2008. and this is bernie sanders country. not surprisingly, bernie sanders is sounding very bullish on the campaign trail. >> i don't want to get her more nervous than she already is. she's already under a lot of pressure. we win here, we win new york state we're on our way to the white house. >> that is going a tall order. hillary clinton leading by double digits there in new york. but it is an important state. 250 delegates in play there. second only to california and bernie sanders is lagging hillary clinton by about 240 delegates. and while there is no winner
take all, bernie sanders is needing 75% of the pledge delegates left to become the nominee. hillary clinton is just 35%. so he's still looking to upset hillary clinton there and a big day on april 14th, sanders and clinton go head-to-head in a prime time debate here on cnn. the first time they have matched up in over a month, chris. >> frates, i love the way you give us the anticipation of the debate to come. thank you very much, my friend. so what's going to happen in wisconsin tonight if bernie sanders wins the way he expects? what does it mean going forward? who better to make the case than bernie sanders campaign manager jeff weaver. jeff, good to have you as always. good luck tonight as we wish all of the campaigns. >> thank you very much. >> so senator sanders said we win in wisconsin, we win in new york. we're on our way to the white house. make the case. >> look, i think everybody knows the back half of the calendar is
much more favorable to senator sanders. i think you have seen the last six or seven, including democrats abroad where the senator has won -- not only won but won overwhelmingly and seriously eroded the sblgt secretary's lead. we're going to keep chipping away at it. the senator is campaigning this morning in wisconsin. he's actually going to be in wyoming, which is technically the next contest coming up later this evening. and then he's going to be in pansz and then new york. he's campaigning hard and what we're seeing across the country is that people are moving to bernie sanders and his message of dealing with a rigged economy and a corrupt campaign finance system. >> resonating, but resonating enough. the math suggests you would have to win almost 3 out of every 4 delegates. that mathematically it does not work for you. do you accept the math? >> i accept math but not that funny math. the truth is in those six or
seven contests the senator just won. he got over 80% in alaska. over 70% in washington state with over a hundred delgtds. won hawaii overwhelmingly. we also saw in nevada, at the convention, that in fact he picked up four net delegates there. so as the caucus process goes along in the various states he's going to pick up even more delegates than he won on election night. >> so you believe there is a clear path to victory for the senator still. you are not calculating going into the convention and seeing whether you can get out of it as somebody who made a mighty challenge. >> i think what this campaign is looking for and what the senator is looking for going into the convention and coming out with the nomination. >> simple as that. do you believe it will come down to who gets the magic number? or do you think that the democrat side, like we are
talkingen on the gop side could wind up in a contested convention? >> good point chris. the truth is if you look at the math, if you want to talk about math, the truth is that it is very very unlikely that either candidate, either secretary clinton or senator sanders will go into the convention with a majority needed of pledge delegates in order to win. so in essence the democratic convention will be an open kwerngs. >> that is now how the system works. you know the super delegates count. they can change but they counted. >> right. but they don't count until they vote. and they don't vote until we get to the convention. so when we arrive at the convention it will be an open convention. so i think it will be an interesting democratic convention. >> so what's going to happen here in new york? bernie from brooklyn is coming to down take on hillary clinton. they are now going to debate. are you happy that you are going to debate? and what do you think is going to happen here? >> well chris, this campaign and
senator sanders has pushed for more debates since the beginning of this campaign. as you know at the beginning of the campaign the dnc structure was restrictive. we've managed to open it up to get more debates. we've wanted a debate in new york since january. we've been pushing for it. the clinton's campaign was that was a non starter. they want want it. final not only in new york but in brooklyn. the senator is excited about that and looks forward to the debate. so the people of new york getten opportunity to see the two on the same stage before the primary on the 19let. >> bernie sanders, vocal. vocal and critical when hint stood next to the ugly cuomo brother at the $15 minimum wage rally here in new york state. saying $15? that is not clinton. that is me. i should be there. make the case. >> the truth of the matter is that secretary clinton does not support a $15 national minimum
wage. that is a position senator sanders advocated from the beginning. as you know there is a large organized fight among fast food workers and others. secretary clinton supports a lower minimum wage. but the truth is the secretary seems to want to move towards bernie s positions. unfortunately they are not really sincere moves and were she to get the nomination you would see her backing off those. >> the shtick on the other side is the reason she doesn't back 15 is because you can't get it done. yes it may have happened here in new york. but there is a very specific set of political considerations that the governor here is dealing with. bernie sanders state, vermont. they can't get $15 done. so yes he's in favor of it but you can't get it done and that is a criticism that is leveled with a lot of the senator's plans. they whip up the heart. they get the emotion going but they are impractical at best. impossible at worst. >> look, chris, the secretary is
an incrementalist. we all understand that. but if you ask for a full loaf of bread you might get half a loaf. if you ask for a slice you are going to get crumbs and that is the sort of problem with the centerist approach the hillary clinton is advocating. we need a bold leader to get as muchen done as possible. and i worked with bernie sanders for 30 years in congress. he's adept negotiator. he just did a big deal with john mccain on veterans healthcare. he knows how to get deals done. and he will be an effective in sort of negotiating his proposals as far out as they can be negotiated. >> jeff weaver, thank you for making the case for bernie sanders as always here on "new day." good luck tonight. >> thanks chris. great opportunity now to get perspective from team clinton. we are joined by robby mook.
thanks for being with us. politics first, he said bernie sanders has won gigantic victories. he was talking about washington and alaska. he says 20 contin s he could co the giant victory which would give him the delegates. >> secretary p clinton has been fighting every day to win every vote in every state. we're going to stay focused on that. looking at the if you remembenu. secretary clinton is ahead by 2.5 million votes. she's won 17 co-contests. and she has a delegate lead, a lead bigger than senator obama ever had in his race. i think the numbers speak for themselves. >> -- >> this is a delegate race and she has the delegate lead and as i said, turn out is on important
factor here. in a lot of the races that jeff weaver talked about. turnout was less than 7%. in the contests where there are a lot of people voting, where there a's a diverse electorate. secretary clinton is winning. >> jeff said it is very unlikely either candidate has a clear majority of pledge delegates going into the convention which means the super delegates come into play. and he said i think it will be a very interesting convention. which to me interpreted it is floor fight. >> i think let's just wait and see. there are a lot of contests coming up. three very delegate-rich states coming up. pennsylvania, new york and then california. i think there are plenty of delegates for one candidate to get a majority of the pledge delegates. but we are just putting our nose to the grindstone and focusing on earning those every day. >> do you resent the notion that bernie sanders is still in this campaign? >> not at all. this is a very competitive
contest. it's been good for our kpab and very good for our party. >> you put out a memo where you said the sanders campaign path forward relies on overturning the will of the voters. that is not says hey we are thrilled to have you here. that is saying you don't have a path and shouldn't be here. >> it is 3u9 putting cold water on their argument. there are simple mathematical facts here and the sanders campaign can't explain how they will get the delegates to win. and now what they are saying is we'll go into states like nevada and other caucuses and try to steal some delegates away in the process or steal away super delegates. that is not fighting for votes. that is not getting the majority of the voters. that is trying to work the math and it doesn't work. they haven't been able to prove a path. and again, secretary clinton is leading the vote total by 2.5 million votes, leading the delegate total by 230 delegates. that's more than president obama
ever had. so we're confident in the math and we're going to loo let that speak for itself. >> hey, i'd like to keep bernie sanders in this race until july or have him drop out at 9:30 this morning. what would you take? >> that is up to senator sanders. the competition is a good thing. we've had a great debate ant the issues and i'm proud off our primary. if you look at the discussion between our candidates it is on issues. minimum wage, affording college. it is not the kind of insultds and bigotry. >> by saying he's got no mathematical path to nomination you are implying he's not running to win. do you think he's trying to make a statement or do you think he wants to be the democratic nominee? i'm going to let him decide and speak to the campaign. >> let's talk about a few of the policy statements we just heard from jeff weaver right will there. he said he doesn't think hillary clinton is sincere in a lot of the positions, the progressive positions that he said she's taking right now in that she could change them after the fact
if she became the nominee, specifically on the minimum wage. bernard says he's been for a $15 minimum wage all along. hillary clinton not for it. >> what secretary clinton is foris getting the minimum wage up to $12 immediately. and then if the locality supports being higher she wants them to do that. it is actually completely consistent with the position she has. >> -- hillary clinton does not support a $15 national minimum wage. >> she supports it where the localities feel they need that. we have to get it up to $12 everywhere. and adam kruger, has said that's the way to go. this is the bill that is it senate leadership supports. this is a very widely held view in our party. >> and -- hillary clinton is not sincere in some of the
progressive positions she's taken in the primary campaign. >> that is simply not true. and i don't think senator sanders has been sincere here in new york which is facing serious problems with guns being trafficked from vermont and other states. he's not being sincere when he is not explaining why he voted against universal background checks five times. i think he has a lot of explaining to do to the voters here in new york about that issue. >> ha what's he not being sincere about? >> he stood with the gun lobby, repeatedly. >> they say he's no -- he's no nra guy, the nra does. they say bernie sanders isn't with us. >> they certainly spent a lot of money to defeat his opponent in 1990 when he first got to congress. he owed them a lot for his first election and when they came to him and said our most important vote this year in the congress is a vote for immunity from liability suits to gun manufacturers, he voted with
them. >> robby mook. great to have you here. and hillary clinton and bernie sanders square off in new york, in brooklyn. both campaigns next thursday, april 14th. five days before the new york primary. >> let's turn to the republican side now. could wisconsin voters reset the gop race? ted cruz looking to cash in on donald trump's recent stumbles. while ohio governor john kasich aims to prove that he's still a force to be reckoned with. phil mattingly joins us with more on the race. >> well if you are ted cruz or anybody who's trying to stop donald trump, today is a big day. polls are trending in your direction. trump has had a rough week. but trump is warning everybody, don't write me off. >> thank you, wisconsin, i love you. go out and vote. i love you. >> final 24 hour blitz. the republican candidates exchanging insults and fighting for votes ahead of a primary that could reshape the
republican race. >> i've never ever met anybody that lied like him. >> his security blanket is to insult people. >> i think they are becoming hysterical. >> every week the end of trump. then they walk in sir, i don't know what happened but your poll numbers just went through the roof. >> rolling out female supporters and his wife melania in a desperate bid to improve his standing with women. >> no matter who you are, a man or a woman, he treats everyone equal. >> senator cruz looking to capitalize on trump's weakness. >> it makes him feel like a big man and in particular he seems to have a problem with strong women. >> and once again, denying tabloid report accusing him of cheetding on his wife. >> that attack was complete and utter garbage. it was complete lies and it came from donald trump and his
henchmen. >> both calling for kasich to drop out of the race. >> he's 1 and 30. he ought to get out. honestly. >> if you lose 49 states, you ain't gonna be the republican nominee. >> a proposal that kasich flat out rejected. >> he said he needs to get out because he's getting my votes. and i want to have my votes. he's -- this is not fair. i thought we got out of the sand box years ago. >> the ohio governor returning fire, accusing ted cruz of playing dirty politics in response to a series f attack ads that the cruz campaign roll t out this weekend. >> he smeared ben carson, marco rubio, donald trump and now he's smearing me. don't push me around. you think you can push me around and get away with it. you're wrong. >> 42 delegates isn't exactly going change the game, even if ted cruz sweeps all of them. but what it does do is throws a major roadblock in front of donald trump's effort to get to
1237. that is the number of delegates needed to secure the nomination before the cleveland convention. if he loses wisconsin in a big way, that becomes a whole lot harder, guys. >> well put phil. thank you very much. a big factor tonight is going to be turnout. if it's high it could mean one way this goes. if it is not, the other. the polls have been open for 15 minute os so. jason carroll live in wisconsin with more. it's why the polls have been so spotty in this race. turnout and emotion can change the dynamic like that. >> it certainly can. and it is expected to here. here in the state of wisconsin, expecting record turnout. election officials saying 40% of all registered voters have turned in forms. they are expecting some 1.75 million people to head out to polling sight sites like this one where we are. if that was the case it would be the larger voter turnout in a presidential primary since 1980.
and when you think of the state of wisconsin, here is what you need to do when thinking about republicans. you need to think of the so called wow counties. whaki saw, osaki and washington. places we've seen trump and cruz holding their town halls. and trump of course saying the huge turnout is all because of him and his influence. he is behind the polls here behind ted cruz in some polls double digits. he says he's been behind before in places like south carolina and new hampshire. he's pulled out win there is and he's going here. we'll wait and see. >> looks like a cool day there but folks are hearty, they will turn out and do their thing. donald trump and ted cruz turning up the pressure on john
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don't agree on much but they both want john kasich to drop out and make it a two man race for the republican nomination. so does the ohio governor john kasich have a legitimate reasonable shot at the nomination? let's bring in former wisconsin governor tommy thompson, governor, thanks so much for being was. how is kasich going to do in wisconsin today? >> well john, you have asked several questions in that lead up. but let me hit them out of the park one by one. first off over a year ago i said we are going to have an open convention. i think i was the first national leader to say that and i've never changed. always said that. neither of the leading two candidates are going to get enough delegate votes. so we are going to go and have ab open convention. isn't it better to have three individual candidates to choose from? a candidate with a record both at the federal level and the state level, which neither of the other two candidates have?
and let's take a look at what's going on. john kasich is the only candidate who can win. i for one want to beat hillary clinton or whoever the democrats put up as their nominee. i think it is okay for intermural basketball and baseball but when you get to the full cycle, the professional -- the professional stretch, you want the candidate that is going to win. that is john kasich. now let's take a look at what donald and ted cruz are saying. donald says whoa, you are taking votes from me. a lot of people think that is a good idea. john kasich is fighting hard for every vote in wisconsin. every vote in the united states. and he's doing well. he's well qualified. and i believe sincerely as a second, third, fourth ballot, john kasich is going to be our nominee. and that is what both of the individuals are afraid of. ted is afraid very much so that when they look at their records, ted cruz does not have a record at all compared to john kasich.
and neither does donald trump. so when you look at the record, it is john kasich and who can win? it is john kasich. that's why it is so important that john kasich stays in. >> we can hear your sincerity and support in your voice. he has a good advocate in you sir. you say john kasich is the only candidate who can win. how is he going to do it in wisconsin today? >> he's going to do all right in wisconsin. >> but he's not going to win, is he? >> he's going to be close. it is going to be a lot closer. the vote turnout is going to be big. i think john kasich is going to pick up some delegate votes, win some congressional seats. i think he's going to surprise a lot of people and i think there is really a good chance john is going to do very well totally in the state of wisconsin. i'm very proud of him. >> he keeps on saying that he is the candidate who can win. yet ted cruz points out. donald trump points out he's won 1 out of 30 so far. if you are the candidate who can win, why aren't your winning? >> first off there were 17
candida candidates. there were several governors. he's the only governor standing. 1 of 3 right now. finally, the individual media like yourself john and others not being critical at all are starting to take a look at john kasich and say, you know, this guy has a great record. he's a wonderful candidate. he speaks the truth. he speaks for what the vast majority of the people are looking for, a leader like him. so i think you are going to see every seceucceeding state more more people are going to get to know him. you are going to cover him more. that's going to be helpful p. it's been a long jourp where a lot of people never looked at him seriously. now they are. he's going to do very well in the remaining states. >> you say you have always believed it would be an open convection. historically speaking there have been open conventions in the past governor but it's been a long time. a really long time since a truly
open convention. you can say 1976. even that was more predetermined than i think on the historical record. why have the caucuses now if they are not going count in the convention? >> well they do count. three candidates are going to be vying for the nomination in cleveland. and you can't win the republican presidency without carrying ohio. john kasich is going to be in ohio. he's the governor of ohio. e can carry ohio. another good reason why he should do it. let's look at contested open conventions. the first one was abraham lincoln in 1860. and people don't remember this. he came into the convention in chicago following way behind the governor of ohio and the governor of new york. new york governor was supposed to win. he went on vacation. and abraham lincoln went to the convention early. rounded up the delegate votes and won and he turned out to be
an excellent president. probably the president we've had maybe with the exception of george washington. >> you are not going to get any argument with abraham lingen on me at all. however there is no iowa caucus in 1860. the process has changed. but do i understand your argument. and look, every reporter i know would like to see an open convention as well. it would be interesting to cover. thank you for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you and good luck to you and look forward to seeing you in cleveland. >> i need all the lucky get. chr chris. the investigation widening into the paris attacks and brussels. the more they look, the more of a network they find, the more numbers get involved. how big is this cell? is it only one cell? and how does this understanding feed into the threats going forward? we have new information ahead.
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so let's discuss with rebecca clayfish, lieutenant governor of wisconsin. governor good of you to join us today. congratulations to the state for meaning so much in this election. what do you expect to see in the out come tonight? >> i expect to see a huge turnout. first of all, interestingly enough your crew said they spent most of their time over the last several weeks with the bernie sanders camps and the trump camps. i think the position they have chosen today is a cruz bash in wisconsin. i think tonight's results are going to be very interesting. and much as wisconsin loves to be the epicenter for politics in the nation, i think you are going to see a really important litmus test for the garoppoop candidates tonight. >> i must say they will hang out with anyone who feeds them.
>> we're kind folks here in wisconsin. >> you are. and the next question, which is, when donald trump went at the governor -- the governor is popular numerically. 80% positive he's at right now. almost unheard of in politics. you see the numbers for the audience at home. 8 80/17. donald trump went on to say let's be honest. you're average i know you don't agree with that but what do you think with the impact on the race? >> i think it is very poor form. i don't know where he gets his logic. on going in that direction. i think perhaps because he did not win the endorsement of governor scott walker, he chose to go negative on the governor.
but coundon't forget this is ho donald trump responded from the beginning. when the governor was still a presidential candidate i think there was probably a little jealousy because donald trump was newer into the race and governor walker was exceptionally, exceptionally popular. and on top of that, you know, he still has very, very high favorables nationwide. and governor walker is a young guy. and so i think at the end of the day there was a little bit of jealousy between donald trump's view of walker's candidacy from the start. so way back then he started using democrat talking points. in wisconsin we've got a really different republican party than what you see across the country. we really had to unite and work together back in 2012 in order to defeat the recall attempts against the governor, against me and a number of our state senators. so you had your libertarian leaders.
you had your tea party. you had your establishment republicans. and even your republican minded independents all working together, pulling in the same direction in order to get us across the finish line in 2012. we built a lot of good will there and then on top of that, act 10. remember that brought all of the protesters and that he has recall efforts in the beginning to wisconsin in the first place. act ten has now saved $5.24 billion. and so when governor walker says he's going to do something, he actually does it. and therefore, you know, gets the good will of the people of wisconsin. i think it is a fool a hardy strategy donald trump has running negate on scott walker. >> do you think there is a chance that donald trump can unify the party? >> i think it would be very very tough. in wisconsin at least. and here is why. there is a huge hashtag "never trump" movement here.
and talk radio is a gigantic electoral motivator, especially in southeastern wisconsin where we get three quarters of our primary votes like the ones right behind me now. and when you have talk radio that is so negative on donald trump's candidacy it is going to be a really tough idea to unite around a candidate that's been very divisive, at least here in wisconsin. that is why i think tonight is going to be a very very important indicator of what happens next. will donald trump pull this one out? will the voters in southeastern wisconsin outnumber the voters from out state who tend to be a little bit more conservative. and libertarian leaning here in wisconsin. the ones in southeastern wisconsin, a little more establishment. will we end up seeing a complete toss up? something that we didn't expect at all. john kasich pulling it out because he won the endorsement of former wisconsin governor tommy thompson.
i think tonight is going to be fascinating but ultimately i think tonight ted cruz prevails. >> lieutenant governor kleefisch. thank you for doing both of our jobs. you answered the questions and you asked them as well. thank you very much for that. appreciate it. >> you got it. chilling new details into the isis led attacks in brussels and paris, next. today. ts all across the state, the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and new infrastructure for a new generation attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in rochester, with world-class botox. and in buffalo, where medicine meets the future. let us help grow your company's tomorrow - today - at business.ny.gov
two weeks after the brussels attack, the man hunt for the funltive terror suspects has seemingly gone cold. now a report about how big the terror network behind the brussels and paris' attacks could be. juliet has a brand new book, security mom, an unclassified guide to protecting your homeland and your home." we have to talk about this news. there are reports that authorities in europe are tracking some two dozen suspects linked to these attacks. many involved in previous isis
plots. many have spent time in syria. many of them have links and were radicalized in molen beck. having -- >> sure. they have a short-term problem which is finding these two dozen if not more. priority. and my guess is they picked those two dozen because they have gone dark and they have been following them. >> most concerning ones. >> the longer term problem is a european problem. whichs they can learn a lot from us. these communities that integrate or second generation immigrants are not feeling invested in the future and security of the countries they call home. so this is a systemic generational problem from europe. what can they learn from us? there are many reasons why america is safer. we are not perfectly safe. we know that and one of them is clearly our ability over our own
history to integrate and assimilate and welcome new communities. we do not have a generational problem in our muslim community here in america. and that is why people like me and the security space sort of push back against some of the political dialogue about focusing on muslims. because that is not a long-term solution. that is creating a long-term problem. >> this is somebody who should know. she's written a book -- >> let's talk about me. >> -- child of immigrant, a storied career. and interesting and fascinating read. you talk about the adventures and challenges of being a mom, doing the work you did and do and knowing the things you know. why write the book? was it almost a need for catharsis? >> maybe a little bit. a part of it was telling the stories what it is like to be in homeland security. >> front line. >> so many just don't know what is that apparatus. what does fema do, etc. so basic tactical information.
but the more important part was, you know, those of us in my field sort of sit and talk in a way that i think is not very attainable to most people sitting around the coffee table. so i just wanted to bring it down to earth like we are talking here and say look, the world is scary. but there are ways we can minimize the risk to ourselves and still maintain our freedoms and our creativity. >> first. be the boss, talk it out. get shopping, fire drill and live your life. >> be in charge. if you are sitting around and watching tv saying oh my god the world is going to hell in a hand basket it is not very good for the family. other thing is we can prepare our kids and ourselves. a lot o mature and appropriate. they know what's going on in the
world though. they have a cell phone. so talk to them. and we shouldn't make it that hard. and i think it is important that people realize that they can own their own homeland security and their own home security. >> bottom line i lu you say live your life. remind your kids of the benefits of their engagement in the world. i like to end on a positive note. congratulations on the book. and thank you for always being here to give us perspective. i think we need some good stuff. that's next. ...a tree that bore the most rare and magical fruit. which provided for their every financial need. and then, in one blinding blink of an eye, their tree had given its last.
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time for "the good stuff." here is the story. at the school in glen bernie maryland, equipment problems happen. so they couldn't have the picture anymore. only audio. >> sort of like radio. >> inquiring when it was going to be fixed and found out we were very low on the totem pole. >> they didn't have the money. we hear this all the time. sixth grader scotty brooks comes up with an idea to fix the
proble problem. >> i'm like why don't i just make it online so kids can see it and not just hear it. >> well done. >> scotty's solution, basically using an app, not only brought back the tv station but saved the school $8,000 with the new program. >> scotty for president. a amazing. well done. with that we hand off to carol costello and "newsroom." good morning. >> good morning. "newsroom" starts now. thanks so much for joirng me. decision day in wisconsin, it could be a game charnger. the front runners now fighting for a win on both sides. 86 delegates up for the grads grabs in the democrat. for the republicans,