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thanks so much for joining me today. i'm carol costello. at this hour with berman and bolduan starts now. i've got this guy standing over this there looking at me talking about new york values with scorn in his face. >> he has no business in the bronx. >> i don't believe that she is qualified. >> don't destroy the democratic party to satisfy the secretary's ambitions to become president of the united states. [ laughter ] >> i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. just under two weeks before the next major contest of the election. and the new york state of mind is bring it on. >> this morning a new chapter in the most contentious stage of
the democratic campaign yet. last night vermont senator bernie sanders unleashed this attack on hillary clinton saying she is unqualified to be president. then he listed the reasons why he thinks that's so. >> i don't think that you are qualified if you get 15 million from wall street through your superpac. i don't think you are qualified if you have voted for the disastrous war in iraq. >> and just a short time ago bernie sanders kind of taking on that question once again citing cnn's reporting as he's talking about it of clinton's campaign thinking they need to take him on more directly after her defeat in wisconsin. >> she has attacked me for being unqualified. and if i'm going to be attacked for being unqualified, i will respond in kind. i know every day they develop a new approach to the campaign. i gather their approach is,
again, this is a quote from cnn. quote, disqualify him, defeat him, and unify the party later. that sounds like they're ready to run a negative campaign. >> now, this morning the kpant camp is adamant that hillary clinton never said that she thought bernie sanders was unqualified to be president. if you look at the tape from yesterday, she didn't go out of her way to say he was qualified. this morning, a different tone from secretary clinton. listen. >> well, i'm going to keep talking about the issues, dan. i'm going to keep drawing contrast. that's what elections are about. i think it is important to tell people what you're going to do for them, and how you can get it done, how you can produce results that can make a positive difference in people's lives. >> joining us right now is jeff zeleny for more on this. jeff, it seemed different sanders and clinton last night
than this morning. >> some cooling of heads overnight. they are still going after some of the same voters in the middle. neither one of them wants to inflame things too much. there are frustrations. we've seen it with inside the campaign first of all, we saw it at the rally last week when she said i'm tired of them lying about my record. that's when it started. on the sanders side, they believe they haven't been treated with as much respect or dignity, and sanders last night, some of his advisors want him to be tougher than he wants to be in his gut. some people want him to go after the e-mails. he hasn't gone there. over the next two weeks we'll see bernie sanders have a wrestling with himself how aggressive he wants to be on her. but she, for her part, is annoyed at him, no doubt, but this morning was trying to say that's silly. she laughed on the air yesterday here on cnn, trying to cool it down a little bit. underneath, it's pretty hot. >> it is interesting.
both candidates took a step back from their own rhetoric yesterday and from where their campaign is saying this morning. thank you for being with us. stand by. we have someone i think who will want to weigh in on this and a lot else going on in the new york race right now. the new york my yoayor joins us. let's start with the republican race. the republicans are talking about new york values. ted cruz, listen to what he said. all right. we don't have the ted cruz sound here. but ted cruz -- >> let's do a dramatic reading of it for you, mayor. this is ted cruz in the bronx yesterday. he said let's be clear. the people of new york know exactly what the values are. they're the values of liberal politicians. all of whom donald trump has supported and given tens of thousands of dollars throughout
the years. if you want to know what liberal democratic values are, follow donald trump's checkbook. he's been funding the policies. look for people in western new york who would like to have jobs. he's also lumped you into that category when he talks about new york values saying he cheered when police turned their backs on you. what do you have to say to ted cruz? >> i think ted cruz is out of touch with new york state and new york city. i think people are going to let him know what they think. you can't insult the people of new york who have fought their way after the tragedy of 9/11 back to strength and expect people to ignore it. we're pretty tough here in new york and focussed. and ted cruz insulted the people of new york when it was politically convenient earlier in the primary season. i have to say a rare moment when i agreed with donald trump, he defended the honor of new york and spoke about what new york had done after 9/11. you know what? ted cruz thinks he's smart. the people of new york city are
going to see through him. now he's trying to redefine what he said. back then it was bluntly a regional appeal. he was trying to somehow cast negative aspersions on trump because he came out of new york. now it's more important than cruz might have imagined and now he'll pay the price. >> he says now that new york values to him represent anthony weaner and eliot spitzer. do those men to you represent new york values? >> new york values include compassion and respect for all peoples. that's why we're a beacon to the world. we are a city of immigrants and proud of it. we're proud of the fact that people get along here. in fact, this moment in world history where there's so much conflict over faith and differences, we're a place where people manage to work it out and work it together. those are new york values. we're proud of that fact, and don't come into our home state and put us down. it's not going to work. people are not going to cut ted
cruz any slack when he insults new yorkers. >> you know what ted cruz is trying to get at when he points those people out. >> look, i think he should be careful. the republican party has had plenty of problems, scandals, corruptions, interruption, i should say. many things to point to. i think what ted cruz is trying to do is play it both ways. he says new york values. he doesn't say he disagrees with progressives or any individual philosophy. he paints the whole people of new york with a broad brush because that's how he appealed for money from his donors. he was sending out a fundraising appeal to new york at the same time. he wants the money, but he wants to put down the people of new york when it's convenient. i don't think he planned on the fact that his fate would be decided in part in new york state. guess what, now it will be. >> the new york daily news had an interesting cover today,
hopefully we can put that up so people can see it. it says take the f-u train, ted. >> is that a tentment you share? >> i would not say it in that way. i find them colorful in their approach, but i think a lot of new yorkers are feeling that way today. and daily news, i think they call it like they see it. they're not a particularly partisan paper. but i think they're representing the fact that the hypocrisy is clear, and we don't take kindly. if cruz wants to disagree with me and my policy, bring it on. >> to be fair, he does. >> right. but -- over terrorism, but i want to make this point. he got in a tussle with me over terrorism. bill bratton said cruz doesn't understand security and what we have to do to bring our communities closer to our police including our muslim communities. i think ted cruz, every time he
wants to try to disagree on policy, ends up looking pretty stupid, so he broadens it and attacks the people of new york state. that makes no sense. it's not going to work for him. >> mayor, do you think ted cruz taking you on might help him with republicans? that could be -- that's clearly what he thinks. >> you know, if he wants to do that, that's fine. i can take it. but then talk about me and my policies. don't attack the people of new york who work hard every day and have been an example to this koishlt country of people getting along and respecting each other. don't attack the nypd who has thwarted 20 different terrorist attacks in new york in 15 years. show the respect for the nypd and the people of new york. >> let's talk about the democratic race. a heated democratic race all of a sudden in new york state. last night senator sanders gave a speech where he flat out said hillary clinton, you're not
qualified to be president. he backed off that a little bit this morning. but last night the words were strong. your response? >> he clearly backed off this morning. he should keep backing off of it. i have a lot of respect for bernie sanders. and i say as his fellow progressive, this is not the right way to go. hillary clinton is qualified to be president of the united states. by the way, bernie sanders is qualified to be president of the united states too. he keyed off of a single headline in the washington post which did not accurately portray hillary's words. i watched the interview on morning joe. hillary never said he wasn't qualified. she said squarely today either one of them would be better than the republican candidate. >> she also very carefully didn't say whether or not she thought he was qualified. she said it was up to the voters to decide on that. i mean, that is an artful way of getting around answering it. >> you know what? >> you're saying she said both are qualified? >> they're clearly both qualified. they both have a long history.
this is the point. i watched her interview word for word. she said he should have done his homework. she has the stronger policies for reigning in wall street. she has done her homework, and she knows how to do that. the point is, there was a headline in the washington post, look, i've been a candidate. i understand the emotions that candidates feel. and i understand how misinformation flows. that headline was wrong. hillary didn't say that. i can understand how that would bother anyone. what leaders need to do is recognize the truth as the truth, and help get people to the right place. this party ultimately needs to unify. and i would say to my fellow progressives, in the end, whoever the nominee is, we have to work hard for them against the trumps and the cruzst of the world. i think we need to get back to the issues. bernie had done a great job raising important issues. hillary has done a great job
putting forward a flat form to change this country. let's get back to the issues. both clearly bring a lot to the table. qualifications are not the issue here. who's going to get the job done and change this country and actually help restore the middle class? that's what this election is about. >> you say the party needs to unify. doesn't your family need to unify? there are reports your own children were for bernie sanders. >> a house divided. >> my children, first of all, they're wonderful children, and they are very involved and very involved in their campuses and communities. they haven't said publicly what they're going to do. i don't know if they've made up their minds. i think like so many young people, they're zrstruggling wi tough issues. they reflect what so many people in this young people are concerned about and why so many young people are concerned. when i was in iowa for hillary clinton, i went to a college with over 1,000 young people there caucusing.
a lot for bernie and hillary. i talked to them. they said they had a preference, each of them, but they would be happy to work with the other one too because they want to change the country. that's why i think both people have to recognize the people are ready for change and they want to do that in fall. i believe that. the american people are looking for progressive change. this country is moving in a more progressive direction. hillary has the platform and ability to achieve it, but let's have a respectful debate over the issues, and bernie needs to recognize. i understand it was a heated moment. "the washington post" was wrong. he needs to say i didn't have the right information. she's qualified. we have differences on the issues. let's debate that and where we're going as a country. but obviously these are two people who bring a lot to the table. >> we know you have to go, but can bernie sanders win new york? >> look, i believe hillary clinton is going to win new york. i think she has tremendous
goodwill here. every election, though, i'll say this because i think it's important to recognize what's going on in our country. every election comes down to turnout. which is why i've been out and so many other people who i care about all over this city and who i work with all over the city are out there working hard to turn out a vote for hillary. i have no question hillary has a majority in the city and the state, but people have to turn out. the next 12 days are going to be decisive, and it's going to be won on the ground. >> sounds like you think there is work to do. appreciate your time. thank you for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> a lot more to discuss and digest. here joining us margie omera and bob beckel. bob, let's back up to where the democratic candidates are. last night they questioned each
other's qualifications. today they went back to ten miles an hour. why? >> i think bernie probably decided and his advisors that there are a lot of things you can say about hillary clinton. one is not that she's not qualified to be president of the united states. yesterday i talked to bernie's chief strategist. it comes down -- as i put together what he was talking about, they have new york, indiana, pennsylvania, and california in mind. that's where bernie could do. the problem is you still can't get enough bound delegates to get over the top. so what happens? people forget about the superdelegates. superdelegates, i've dealt with them for years. they're not bound to who they say they're going to vote for, and they can an stain, and if they get enough to do that, you get to a second ballot, and then
there's an outside shot at winning the nomination for bernie. i think it's a long shot. it's not a bad strategy when you're down to what you are. >> looking at new york, you heard from the mayor. he said bernie sanders should be backing off his comments about disqualified and should continue to do so, but clearly the sanders campaign said this morning they think hillary clinton has been running a smear campaign. they might be publicly trying to it's in a different gear, it seems now, now that we've entered new york. what do you think the sanders campaign should be doing? >> i think we're talking about whether someone said qualified or not qualified or unqualified or disqualifying or how a headline compared to an actual quote just shows how civil the democratic debate has been compared to the republican side. this counts as the gloves are off on the democratic side when republicans are calling each
other liars and con men and that sort of thing. it shows how much more unifies we are. one poll showed a majority of people sanders would vote for clinton if she's the nominee and the other way around. the voters aren't sure what they're going to do on the other side. i think everyone will take a cue from the voters on the democratic side and think about the issues that are important to voters and what that means going into november. >> sayin you're not qualified to be president represents unity -- >> you're not qualified to be a news anchor. >> i've heard that and i've defended him. the one thing here is it's ratcheting up. this is one of the most important primaries of the election season. it's going to get rougher. if they're not doing it, the delegate surrogates are doing it, and they should.
this ain't bean bag as was once said. >> thank you for being with us. appreciate it. >> we have a programming note. will the gloves be on or off? one week from today -- >> you can still land a punch with gloves on. >> there's a live democratic debate from new york here on cnn april 14th. do not miss it. any minute now -- there's a lot going on. any minute now cruz will take the stage. he has a rally outside baalbany new york. we'll take his remarks live. >> plus ben carson will be joining us, the former presidential candidate, now donald trump's top surrogate. he'll be weighing in on things. and as president obama takes his supreme court fight on the road, we'll speak with one senator who just met with obama's pick
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off his comments on new york values. let's listen if he does it again today. >> washington d.c. [ applause ] >> and yet we're here this morning for something a lot more important than politics. we're here because our country is in crisis. because we're bankrupting our kids and grand kids. because our constitutional rights are under assault each and every day and because america has receded from leadership in the world. and yet i am here this morning with a word of hope and encouragement all across new york, all across this country. people are waking up. and help is on the way.
this next election is going to focus on three critical issues -- jobs, freedom, and security. [ applause ] >> cruz is speaking d listening to ted cruz in new york. he's just kind of kicking off this rally outside of albany. let's go to dana bash who is there. as ted cruz is getting into his speech, take one step back to just yesterday. he did not receive such a warm reception in the bronx. it looks like he has a warmer reception in up state new york today. >> reporter: a very different reception. i was waulking around the crowd talking to a lot of voters before cruz arrived. and to a person they were okay with his disparaging comments about new york values, because they don't see themselves up here in up state new york the way that new yorkers where you all are in manhattan and other
places see themselves. it is a very different world up here. in fact, one voter even brought a map of the state of new york with the congressional districts and the voting patterns to show that down where you are it's quite blue, meaning a lot of democratic voters, but up here it's very republican, very conservative, and that is why even though he's getting a lot of pushback in a new york way down -- and did yesterday in the bronx and perhaps later in brooklyn. here it's a different scene. so many people have said to me point-blank, they're totally different worlds. that's why he hopes to do well in these conservative areas, because the delegates on april 19th are going to be allotted in some respects by congressional districts, and these are conservative congressional districts where he could pick up delegates and maybe more importantly deny donald trump delegates on the
primary day. >> dana bash for us outside albany where ted cruz is speaking. we'll keep one eye on that event to listen to senator cruz, but with us right now, a special guest, a donald trump surrogate, dr. ben carson. a donald trump supporter. dr. carson, thank you for being with us. >> pleasure. >> two days since wisconsin, donald trump lost in wisconsin and lost pretty badly. what happened? >> well, you know, in a primary contest you're going to have some wins and some losses. you're going to be up. you're going to be down. what i find so fascinating is with each one of the contests, everybody saying oh, this is the big one. this is the one that breaks your back. and then they move on to the next one and say the same thing. this is the way the process goes. you're going to win some and lose some. the key thing is to get your message out there, to learn, to adjust. and to try to provide solutions
for the incredible problems that are facing our nation right now. >> it's interesting, dr. carson. donald trump sure seems to think this next one in new york is the big one. do you agree? >> it is a big one, but there are a lot of big wins. florida was wig. california will be a big one. texas was a big one. i personally don't buy into all this, this is the critical one stuff. i mean, i realize that people in the media have to do that because you have to stir up the excitement, but the fact of the matter is every single one of those contests is important. and as you look at -- >> well, the candidates themselves say it's make or break. >> excuse me? >> dr. carson you said one of the important things is mr. trump learn and adjust after each contest. a lot of people are suggesting there needs to be more adjustments within the trump
campaign. are there changes happening right now? >> well, clearly more people are being hired. there's more concentration on the ground game. there's going to be more concentration on the delegates. the fact of the matter is there is a game that has to be played. it's unfortunate that you have to play that game, but unless you know how to play it, you're always going to lose. so clearly he has some adjustments to make, and they're ongoing at this present time. >> corey lewandowski, the campaign manager, is he still running the show? >> what about cory? i couldn't hear the last part of your question. >> do you think he should still be running the show after the controversy he has found himself in? >> well, i think there are a number of people who are involved, and from my context with corey, he's a very
intelligent and efficient individual, and i don't see any reason, quite frankly, that we should demonize him. if you can come up with a good reason, i'll listen to it. >> well, look, he's been charged with misdemeanor assault in florida. a lot of people think that is a reason. >> well, i mean, a lot of people have been charged with various things. that doesn't necessarily mean that we need to demonize them. you've probably been charged with something to, maybe with a misdemeanor or something. it doesn't mean you're an evil, horrible person -- >> i actually haven't as far as i know. >> this is a problem in america. everybody wants to demonize everybody rather than sitting down and having an intelligent conversation. let's look at the facts. reason we have a court system is that when somebody is charged with something, all the facts can come out and a reasonable conclusion have been reached hopefully without a lot of hype. >> the other candidates in the race, though, think that while
this is circling, the fact that he's charged with misdemeanor assault of a reporter at a campaign event, the other candidates think that corey should step down. >> well, what i would say is we have isis and radical islamic terrorists trying to kill us. we have a financial situation that threatens the foundation of this country. we've got internal strife. these are the things that are important. and if we koconcentrate more on those, i think we'll head in the right direction. >> you did say, to move on, that there is a game going on right now. by that i think you mean the hunt to pick up delegates in order to become the nominee. you have to win that game and play it well. you were just in south dakota playing that delegate game. who is playing the game with the better team right now? give me an assessment of what the cruz team looks like on the
ground. after minnesota, people said they're sharp. >> there's no question that senator cruz has an effective ground game. has had for several months. it provides an advantage. other people, including mr. trump, will have to adjust to that. and begin to catch up. there's no question about it. he does recognize that. and the appropriate adjustments are being made. it's like any organism that is going to survive if there's a change in the environment, you have to adapt to it or you perish. >> what's your role in the organism to continue with your description, you went to north dakota to fight for delegates, to plead for delegate support. what's your role in the delegate fight going forward? >> well, you know, my role, quite frankly, is to try to help. you know, i've talked with donald trump. we both want to save america.
we want to do whatever we can to save america. some people think it doesn't need saving and is doing fine, but if we look at where you've been and where we are now and where we're heading, yes, we absolutely are in trouble. i think most people would recognize that. i will do what i can do to help save it. and i happen to believe that of the people who are running, that he's the one who is most likely to do it because i think that part of our problem is whether their democrats or republicans, we've had people who are part of the system who can be controlled by the system, and that is why people in washington, many of them, and many of the elites don't like donald trump, because he's not one that they can control. >> you say he's the one most likely to do it. clear you're endorsing him and working hard for h across the country. i want to give you a chance to clarify a statement you made in an interview over the weekend that you said while he might be good, he's not the best, or there are probably people who
would be better. you said nobody who believes in the government anymore. everybody believes that we are weak. we are weak on the world stage. we're not doing things that make sense economically and he's probably the person most likely to do that. are there better people? probably. but one of the things we have to do is broaden the pool from which we select our people. do you think there are better people out there to be a better president than donald trump? >> i don't think you have to really think about that. it doesn't matter what you're doing. there are better people than me at neurosurgery. there are better people than you being a broadcaster. there are better people at everything. but we have to utilize what we have. we have to make the best of it and improve it to the point where it is capable of being successful. that's what we should do in every field and in every endeavor. that's one of the reasons that i've spent so much time in the
educational arena trying to get the most out of each one of our students, each one of our citizens, because they will contribute to the strength and fabric of our country. >> when you say there are probably better people out there, did you have someone in mind? >> i don't think that's a useful place to go. but it's an obvious statement. >> you brought it up. >> if you drop a brick off of a building, it's going to fall. obviously there's always going to be someone who is better at virtually anything. it doesn't mean that you're not good. but of course there are always better people at anything. that should be an obvious statement. >> the only reason -- you brought it up in this interview. that's the only reason we're asking for clarification if you had anybody in mind. >> something is really happening here that the sound has deteriorated to the point where i can't hear you. you think i'm making excuses, but it's true. >> are you making an excuse,
doctor? i'm happy to talk a lot louder if need be. >> we trust you doctor. we're only asking if you had someone in mind. do you have people in mind or how could he be better? >> well, that second part is a good question. how can any candidate be better? there's always more things to learn. there's always the possibility of trying to learn more about the constituency. the constituency being everybody. every demographic in our country. and working on trying to allow them to be successful. what kinds of policies do we have that allow everybody to succeed? not picking one group or another group. and this has been the problem for several decades now depending on who is in office. this becomes your favorite group or that becomes your favorite
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and matt lewis, and ron nearing. great to see you all. thank you for joining us. ron, first to you. politico did reporting saying cruz would be meeting with rudy giuliani. >> that's an inaccurate report. >> was there ever a talk of a meeting? was it cancelled? >> nothing that i'm aware of. i know it's an inaccurate report. >> no meeting. would you like a rudy giuliani meeting? >> i don't know how many times you're going to ask the same question. there's no truth to that story. i don't know the origin of the story. senator cruz is having a successful rally in upstate new york and is campaigning and will be back in new york several times between now and the
primary. >> one of the things we were talking about with ben carson who was just on is the talk of a campaign shakeup or changes within the donald trump campaign. we know that he's made some for hires. they say it's because they need to staff up as the campaign moves along. what's your view? >> i think unfortunately the way the rules are set up is it's delegate focussed rather than what the people have to say. i think given that those are the rules, i think it's important for donald trump to shift the strategy to bring in people who understand the delegate process. ted cruz is very adept at navigating this, so i think it's good news to hear of them bringing in news people. >> do you think it has to do with the loss in wisconsin? it's in direct response to that? >> partially, but i don't think trump is worried going forward. he's ahead in new york and pennsylvania. >> you think he needs to do a better job than it has to date in the delegate game?
>> at courting delegates. maybe you could even bribe delegates, courting delegates and bringing dell galts to your side. i'm not saying any of the campaigns are doing that, but that's allowed by the rules. instead of focusing on the people, you have to focus come on the delegates. >> on what happened in wisconsin, matt, manu raju has great reporting that despite the win, you're not seeing the rush of republicans on the hill to get behind ted cruz, and this is -- we're in april at this point. if they're going to make -- they could probably get on board if they want to try to change the way the race is going if they think it will have impact. do you think they should be offering support? should ted cruz be courting their support more aggressively? >> it's sort of an interesting question. on one hand cruz has branded hic
himself as an outsider. i don't think he wants to become the establishment candidate. if senators were to get on board with ted cruz, in a way it might under mine ted cruz. maybe this is them being smart or strategic and trying to help ted cruz become the sort of the nontrump alternative. there's the other possibility, of course, which is so tt -- to say a lot of them don't like cruz and may be hoping that he plays the spoiler, sort of deprives donald trump from getting the 1237 delegates he needs and some of them may hope to have this white knight candidate emerge at a convention. i think that's naive of them, but maybe some of them hope for that. >> that, donald trump, would call the trojan horse strategy. if mitch mcconnell called senator cruz and said i want to endorse you, would cruz accept the endorse. >> we're happy to accept the
endorsement from the broad spectrum of the republican party. he has endorsements of people who have gotten behind him. i think one thing that's important to note is endorsements from capitol hill have not exactly been the determining factor in the primary elections so far. in fact, one thing that's been made clear is that republican primary voters are interested in candidates who challenge the status quo and are not satisfied with the leadership of either party in washington d.c. that's why senator cruz has been doing well, and that's a major factor of why he's consolidated that support in wisconsin and produced the big victory. and what we said would happen has. as the field has narrowed from 17 down to a two person race, our numbers have gone up. that's the bigger dynamic here. there are plenty of people in washington d.c. who will sweat
over who is endorsed, but for the voters, there are more important issues they're concerned about, and that's been driving their votes. >> so, do you just say, what's the conversation within the campaign? do you say thanks but no thanks if someone like mitch mcconnell says i'm here to back you? >> i already said that we support anybody who wants to come on board for the campaign. we're happy to have them. >> great. just clarifying. >> that's exactly what i said. we welcome everybody's support. that's how you build a majority. politics is a game of addition. that's part of the reason why donald trump has such a problem right now. he has such a ceiling. donald trump does not recognize the politics is a game of addition. it's about building a majority. he has a vocal minority that he cannot grow beyond because he is trapped in the brand that he has created for himself that limits his ability to grow forward. by contrast, senator cruz's numbers have been growing substantially. and that's part of the reason why we have had four victories in a row utah, colorado, north
dakota, and now wisconsin. we're adding people and growing the campaign continually and growing our coalition while donald trump is stuck. >> quickly, matt lewis, john kasich campaigning across the state of new york today. what's the current state of the john kasich campaign? >> he has one win in ohio and fewer delegates than rubio. he came in fourth place in a three man race not that long ago. there's an argument as to whether or not john kasich helps or hurts cruz. i think he probably helps him. i think having john kasich in the race on balance probably makes it harder for donald trump to get the delegates he'll need to get to clench the nomination. so i think if you're cruz, it's a big argument and debate, but i think john kasich is probably a net positive for the never trump movement. >> thank you to you all. appreciate it. >> we have a programming note. we will hear from senator ted cruz himself. he'll join cnn tonight on erin
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want to lose a president. so without missing a step, he guys right into what the message is. we've got to get this tax and spending bill passed and we've got to do it now. >> mr. speaker! the president of the united states! it was just like the movies. reagan was a true american hero. >> the president looking very jovial. very healthy. >> and tonight's episode of "the '80s," wlinbehind the scenes at white house and explores the response of the assassination attempt of president reagan in 1981. >> kate anderson brouwer, "the grace and power of america's first ladies" out next week. and wrote the smash hit book "the residence". thanks for being with us. along those lines, the assassination of reagan was one of the seminole moments of the '80s.
it happened so early in the administration. what was going on inside the white house residence after that? >> you know, nancy reagan refused to the year after the assassination attempt as the lost year. she was so devastated by what it happened. and in fact, they really had a true love story. i mean, ushers told me they would go into the residence and find the president and first lady sitting there holding hands watching "who's the boss" late at night together. there was a genuine love story. and what's interesting too, nancy reagan did a lot to bring glamour back to the white house. and this is something other first ladies appreciated. like jackie kennedy appreciated the fact that nancy reagan invited ella fitzgerald, frank sinatra to the white house. and certainly nancy was aware she was derided in the press as being this imperial lady, but she was okay with that. she really wanted to bring glamour back to the white house
after the carters, where she thought they really didn't do enough. >> and kate, you have described -- she's -- you say she's, you know, self proclaimed worker nancy reagan was. >> she took complete control. and which is interesting. she was very unapologetic about it. she would sit in meetings. advisers said she was the human resources department for her preside president's cabinet and really wanted to protect him. she had don reegen fired as chief of staff. she felt he was overscheduling him. he had colon surgery later on in the administration. so for her, it was all about protecting her husband. and she said if there was an issue, she stepped in and she made no poll gees for it. so in a way, she was a role model. and interesting also that hillary clinton defended nancy reagan. nancy reagan was criticized for purchasing hundreds of thousands of dollars of china. and hillary clinton said, you know, she was doing -- she was
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hello, everyone. i'm pamela brown, filling in for ashleigh banfield on this thursday. welcome to "legal view." it's the race for the white house and right now a pause for voters and a breather, 12 whole days until the next primary votes are cast. but the price is a big one for both the republican and democratic candidates. it's new york. and today hillary clinton pulling very well there, hit the streets like a native new yorker. >> tell