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happening now, burn notice. the democrats go negative as bernie sanders puts hillary clinton on notice saying she's not qualified to be president of the united states. clinton shrugs that off as silly, but is there now bad blood just a week before they clash in a cnn presidential debate? homecoming. donald trump has a big lead as he returns to campaign in his home state of nowheew york, buts
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also gearing up for a possible delegate fight. is he expecting a contested convention? >> booed in the bronx. ted cruz gets a rough reception after repeating his remarks about new york values. can he do any better in brooklyn? and terror surveillance. a dangerous suspect is still on the loose. new images show him walking away from the brussels airport bombing. how did the trail go so cold? i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." as the gop candidates turn delega delegate-rich new york into a battleground, there's a possibility that they could still be counting delegates at a contested convention. gearing up for such a fight, donald trump has named a battle hardened republican operative to handle the convention for him, wrangling delegates and securing a victory. while trump is now on his home turf, ted cruz may be feeling like a stranger in a strange land, taking heat from new
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yorkers for his remarks about, quote, new york values. he trails both trump and john kasich in the latest polling in the state. and the democratic race is getting nasty and negative. bernie sanders now sticking to his new attack line that hillary clinton isn't qualified to be president. he says he's only responding to a similar claim by his opponent. but while clinton has been critical, she has not called sanders unqualified. the candidates will go head to head in our cnn debate a week from tonight. i'll speak with democratic congressman hakeem jeffries, and our correspondents, analysts and guests will have complete coverage of all the day's stories. let's begin with jeff zeleny who's following this increasingly nasty democratic race for president. jeff, the clinton campaign accusing sanders of a new low. what's the latest? >> they did today, wochlf, and e sanders campaign accused the clinton campaign of trying to
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smear his record. this is all in an all-out fight for new york. suddenly the democratic race is starting to look like the republican one. >> i would take bernie sanders over donald trump or ted cruz any time. >> hillary clinton taking the high road today, for a moment at least, as the democratic race devolves into a war of words. >> let's keep our eye on what's really at stake in this election. >> at stake is the new york primary, which bernie sanders is fighting hard to win, firing off some of the most personal attacks yet of the campaign over who's qualified to be president. >> the american people might wonder about your qualifications, madam secretary, when you voted for the war in iraq, the most disastrous foreign policy blunder in the modern history of america. >> in philadelphia today, sanders unleashed a laundry list of grievances. >> are you qualified to be president of the united states when you're raising millions of dollars from wall street, an entity whose greed, recklessness and illegal behavior helped destroy our economy?
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>> sanders said clinton started it by diminishing his qualifications. she said he did. one thing is certain, suddenly democrats have their own free-for-all on their hands. >> but if secretary clinton thinks that just because i'm from a small state in vermont and boowe're going to come here new york and pennsylvania and they're going to beat us up and go after us in some kind of really uncalled for way, that we're not going to fight back, they can guess again. >> it's a rough and tumble new york primary. clinton turned a subway ride today into a photo op with a purpose. >> i think we changed when i was senator. i think it was my first term when we changed from tokens to metrocards. >> a clear shot at sanders. born and raised in brooklyn but moved away a half century ago. he was mocked by new york tabloids for not being up to speed on how to ride the subway. >> how do you get on the subway today? >> a token.
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>> wrong. >> it underscored how petty the democratic feud is becoming, raising questions about unifying the party. >> i ran a very contested campaign against then senator obama and it went all the way till the end. we worked really hard. he got more delegates. and so i endorsed him. we are going to have to unify democrats. >> at clinton campaign headquarters in brooklyn today, aides told cnn they registered the website unity 2016 in what could be seen as a proactive or premature step. this map on the wall is a daily reminder of clinton aides of their lead in delegates. sanders is vowing to take the fight to the convention, a move that doesn't sit well with campaign manager ronnie mook. >> would it be a mistake for the party to keep litigating this into july into philadelphia? >> well, i think at the point that it's obvious that a candidate has a majority of delegates and will win the nomination at the convention, i
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do think it will be time to come together, but we're not there yet. >> not yet there indeed, wolf. how this plays out over the next 12 days between now and the new york primary is going to go a long way in determining how difficult it is to unifying the party beyond whoever wins here. but a growing sense of alarm from a lot of democrats that the temperature of this race is way too high. wolf. >> jeff zeleny for us, thank you. bill clinton got into a heated argument with protesters during a campaign rally today in pennsylvania. when they started shouting and criticizing his record on crime and welfare reform and wouldn't stop, the former president accused them of being afraid of the truth. joe johns is joining us from philadelphia right now. tell us more, joe, what happened today. >> reporter: wolf, bill clinton in philadelphia campaigning on behalf of his wife, delivering perhaps his strongest defense in recent years of his signing of the 1994 crime bill, which has been harshly criticized by a
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whole swath of african-american activists, including al sharpton, the black lives matter movement, because it led to the incarceration of huge numbers of african-american men. and the crowd today during that speech today with bill clinton were a number of signs, including, one that said hillary is a murderer. when the former president saw that sign, he really took off after it. listen. >> i heard it. can i answer? no, you see, here's the thing. i like protesters. but the ones that won't let you answer are afraid of the truth. that's a simple rule. i talked to a lot of african-american groups. they thought black lives mattered. they said take this bill, because our kids are being shot in the street by gangs. because of that bill, we had a 25-year low in crime, a 33-year low in the murder rate.
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and listen to this, because of that and the background check law, we had a 46-year low in the deaths of people by gun violence. and who do you think those lives were that mattered? whose lives were saved that mattered? hillary didn't vote for that bill because she wasn't in the senate. she was spending her time trying to get health care for poor kids. who were they? and their lives mattered. oh, now wait a minute, wait a minute. now you're screaming. so let's do another one. i don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out onto the street to murder other african-american children. maybe you thought they were good citizens. she didn't. she didn't. you are defending the people who
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killed the lives you say matter. tell the truth. you are defending the people who caused young people to go out and take guns. there was a 13-year-old girl in washington, d.c., who was planning her own. now look at this other one. look at this. that's not true. and the reason is they know it's true is because they won't hush. when somebody won't hush and listen to you, that ain't democracy. they're afraid of the truth. don't you be afraid of the truth. don't you be afraid of the truth. >> reporter: now bill clinton has said in the past that the crime bill actually went farther than it needed to go and it made the problem of mass incarceration worse. but in this case he was clearly defending the reasons why people said it needed to be put in place. wolf. >> i haven't seen him like that in a while, i've got to tell you. joe johns, thanks very much. let's discuss what's going on.
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democratic congressman akeem jeffries of new york is joining us. he's endorsed hillary clinton. what did you think? did you think the former president went too far arguing so forcefully with those activists at that event in philadelphia? >> wolf, i think it was important for him to articulate the reasons why at the time president clinton thought that the bill was the appropriate thing to move forward with, and i would note that there were many african-american members of the clergy and a majority of the congressional black caucus that supported that 1994 crime bill. now, obviously hindsight is 20/20 and in retrospect even as president clinton has acknowledged, it perhaps went too far in exacerbating the mass incarceration that exists in america. at the time there were about 900,000 people that were incarcerated. today there are more than 2.2 million. we are working together, democrats and republicans, to try to reverse that. but let's be clear. hillary clinton was not in the congress at the time, bernie
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sanders was a member of the house of representatives and he voted in favor of that 1994 crime bill. and in fact what i would point out is that vermont has one of the highest rates of incarceration for african-americans in the nation. and bernie sanders, as mayor, as a member of the house, as a senator, apparently hasn't been able to do anything about that. >> interesting. all right, let's move on. david axelrod, as you know, he's a cnn commentator, former chief strategist for president obama's 2008 victory. he says it was a mistake for clinton to attack bernie sanders, for the clinton campaign to go after him. she currently has by our estimate about a 681 delegate lead if you include super delegates over bernie sanders. she only needs to win 36% of the remaining delegates. do you think it was a mistake for her to go after him, her campaign to go after him in recent days? >> well, i'm not clear that secretary clinton or the campaign has really gone after bernie sanders. what her supporters have done, myself included, is to point out
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a compare and contrast of her record versus his record. certainly if you think about the issue of gun violence in america, where we're suffering from an epidemic, we've got 5% of the world's population, 50% of the world's guns, more than throw 300 million guns estimated to be in circulation in this country and no law enforcement entity can tell you where those guns are, i think it's important for new york city, for the state and for the nation to have a discussion on whose record on gun control is better. between the two, it's not even close. bernie sanders voted five times against background checks. he voted twice to shield gun manufacturers from liability. he voted to allow guns on amtrak. and so i think those types of discussions are very important. the personal attack, wolf, was actually launched by bernie sanders last night when he went after secretary clinton's qualifications to be president. >> well, his campaign says he was only responding to the messaging that the clinton campaign put out when they told cnn's jeff zeleny they wanted in
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their words to disqualify him, defeat him and unify the party later. that was an aggressive new clinton strategy. and when he went after her saying she's not qualified to be president of the united states, they say he was responding to that report. your response. >> well, i think what the clinton campaign was suggesting in terms of the use of disqualification is that at the end of the day this is a delegate fight. secretary clinton has already received 9 million votes. that's 2.5 million more votes than bernie sanders. she's got more than 200 pledged delegates. it's almost mathematically impossible for him to achieve the number that he needs to reach in order to secure the nomination. but we need to win new york, which we're going to do. and then it's on to pennsylvania and connecticut and maryland and the other states along the northeastern corridor that will be in play at the end of april. at that point it may be clear that he's been disqualified from being able to hit the number necessary in order to achieve
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the nomination. but we've never qualified his qualifications to be president. in fact secretary clinton has refused to take the bait when asked repeatedly. now, i'm not clear why you would challenge her qualifications as first lady she was a partner with president clinton. she helped to lead the charge for the children's health insurance program. she was a dynamic senator. she helped to stop george bush's effort to privatize social security in 2005. she was the secretary of state, one of the most important positions in the cabinet, working hand in hand with president obama, including being in the situation room, wolf, when the effort to kill osama bin laden was executed flawlessly. she's one of the most qualified individuals ever to run for the presidency and she's ready, willing and able to assume the commander in chief post on day one. >> all right, congressman, we're going to pick that thought up. we'll take a quick break. we have a lot more to discuss. much more right after this. [beekeeper] from bees to business expenses,
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international trade agreements that he says has eliminated lots of jobs and that she takes money from wall street. he also goes further and says he wants her to apologize to the american people. i want you to respond. >> well, first of all, let's take that one by one. in terms of the trade agreements, she opposes the transpacific partnership, which is the only agreement that is before the american people and the congress at this present time. she did so after studying it, waiting to see what the particulars were, laying out a standard and making a note that it did not reach that standard on behalf of the american worker and then she decided to oppose it. now, while she was in the senate, the only major trade agreement that was before her was the central american free trade agreement and she voted against it. now, in terms of wall street, senator sanders has made much about the money that secretary clinton allegedly has been associated with through her super pac, which as you know, wolf, by law they're not able to
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coordinate so she actually is not raising that money. but the reality is that when senator sanders was in the uned states house of representatives, he voted to deregulate credit default swaps, which is the instrument that led to the collapse of the economy and the very wall street speculation that he talks about each and every day on the campaign trail, he helped to facilitate with his vote. hillary clinton does not owe anyone an apology. she has been an incredible public servant throughout the duration of her career, starting as a young lawyer with the children's defense fund all the way through her time as secretary of state, and she would be phenomenal to serve as our nation's 45th president. >> and she's obviously very fortunate to have you as a strong supporter of her campaign. thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> representative hakeem jeffries of new york. there's a lot more happening right now, including lots of developments on the republican side as well. we'll update you on the late-breaking developments right after this.
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the republican presidential candidates are all hunting for votes today in new york. donald trump is heavily favored in his home state but he's playing it safe even though ted cruz is getting a rough reception. let's turn to jim acosta. jim, trump has a big lead according to the polls in new york, so why is he putting off a trip to california? >> that's right, wolf. donald trump took the unusual step of cancelling a news conference that he had scheduled here in los angeles for tomorrow, but the trump campaign tells me it's all a part of their strategy to run up the score on ted cruz in new york.
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no delegate dreaming for donald trump. after scrapping a trip to the west coast the gop front-runner is in a new york state of mind. >> do you remember during the debate when he started lecturing me on new york values like we're no good. >> the real estate tycoon is not only slamming ted cruz for once hitting trump's new york values. >> most people know exactly what new york values are. >> a comment trump says forgets what happened after the 9/11 attacks. >> we all lived through it, we all know people that died, and i've got this guy standing over there looking at me talking about new york values with scorn in his face, with hatred, with hatred of new york. >> trump is aiming for a blowout in the new york primary. instead of stumping in california, a top trump advisor tells cnn the campaign is focused on capturing all 95 delegates up for grabs in new york, as that would shrink the percentage of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to a more manageable number. and trump is expanding his delegate operation, announcing
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he's named newly hired strategist paul manafort as his convention manager to work alongside corey lewandowski. helping new york children make matzah in brooklyn, cruz is standing by his values jab saying he wants to highlight past support for his state's liberal democrats. >> are friends in the media are very comfortable with a new york liberal who has supported andrew cuomo and hillary clinton and chuck schumer for decades. and they really want to see a general election between two new york liberals. >> reporter: but that could be a tough sell, with the the "new york daily news" telling cruz to take the fu train. >> new yorkers aren't stupid, ted. after we were hit, we rallied, rebuilt. >> in and a new pro yawn kasich super pac ad is piling on. >> now you conveniently come here and say you love new york. forget about it, ted.
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>> taking a big bite in the big apple, kasich stopped at a bronx deli mamma mia. >> and said he's poised to start eating away at trump's delegate lead. >> we're now getting to the place where we feel we have the best chance of being able to accumulate delegates. >> the delegate battle is also heating up in california where a well organized republican stop trump movement is gearing up. >> here in california, republicans are shrinking due to demographics and we're trying desperately to turn that around and expand. trump is an unmitigated disaster for us. >> now, there is some risk for donald trump in skipping california for now. a new poll shows his lead in this state is not as big as the one he has in new york. there's also high profile opposition to donald trump in california in that arnold schwarzenegger, the former governor here, is backing john kasich, but the trump campaign says don't worry, wolf, they have plenty of rallies scheduled in the coming weeks. >> all right, thanks very much, jim acosta. let's bring in our experts. david swerdlick is joining us,
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our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin is with us along with cnn political commentator hilary rosen. guys, thanks very much. jeffrey, donald trump is hitting ted cruz very hard over the new york values comments. listen to what he had to say last night in long island. >> everyone understands that the values in new york city focus around money and the media. >> i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanely than new york. >> that was an instagram video that donald trump posted. he also had some strong words in his rally last night going after ted cruz on the whole new york values issue. you think -- you're a new yorker. do you think trump stands a chance of winning 50% of the vote a week from tuesday? >> oh, i certainly do. and i think the new york values thing is a big problem. let's be honest, remember what ted cruz said.
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he said new york values are about money and they're about the media. that's an anti-semitic trope from a hundred years. it's been around a very long time. everyone in the whole country understands what he was saying, and that's a big problem once you get to new york, not just among jewish voters, but among people who don't appreciate those kinds of stereotypes. trump is going to hammer away on it. cruz can try to explain it away, but you can't explain what you said when its meaning is obvious. >> well, he says he was referring to liberal politicians in new york state. >> oh, really? >> and he mentioned cuomo, he mentioned charlie rangel, anthony weiner. you heard the list of the people he mentioned today. >> but they have nothing to do with money and media. money and media is jews. this is just an old-fashioned antisemitic stereotype derogatory term and everybody understands it. >> i'm sure he'll dispute that. david swerdlick, the trump
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campaign just hired strategist paul manafort. he was involved in the last contested republican convention, that was back in 1976. do you think he can pull off the job of actually going out there and securing the delegates trump will need to get the nomination? >> well, wolf, the hiring of manafort clearly signals that the trump campaign has recognized that senator cruz is not going away, that they're going to have to really strategize and plan for a convention fight. and the strategy that's gotten them this far kind of going by the seat of their pants, going a lot on trump's personality, going on momentum and voter enthusiasm is not going to cut it when they get to the convention. i think manafort because of his experience can help them hold off a cruz challenge, but i think it's really still going to be decided by how well trump does in these next northeastern primaries, because if trump runs the table in new york, pennsylvania, delaware, maryland, et cetera, then you'll have a situation where even though he may not get to the
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1,237 magic number, he will have enough delegates that it will put a lot of pressure on cruz and kasich and their supporters that on those first couple of ballots, it will be hard for supporters to break from trump. >> hillary, as you know donald trump had his daughter and his wife with him out on the campaign trail in recent days. last night ivanka, his daughter was with him and gave a very, very strong introductory speech in his favor, obviously. this only ten days after she gave birth to a little baby boy. melania was with him the other day in wisconsin. is he trying to boost his favorability among women? because the polls show he's got a problem there. >> he does have a problem. in fact he's got like over 70% disapproval from women across the board of every party. you know, ivanka is a classy and intelligent person, and if i were donald trump, i would want her campaigning out there all the time for me too. but i don't think it's going to work. there are policy areas where he
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really hasn't been articulate, thoughtful or frankly compassionate for women and they can feel that. so i think he's got a rough time. having said that, ted cruz is no picnic either for women. so take -- pick your poison. >> let me get jeffrey to weigh in. jeffrey, he's got some strong assets, if you will, in his kids when they go out there and speak for him. they are powerful voices, very, very likeable too, right? >> yes, he does. and his -- you know, his son-in-law runs a weekly newspaper here in new york, the "new york observer." new yorkers have been following donald trump and his adventures for decades. that's a mixed bag, given how -- given how controversial he's been. but he doesn't have to introduce himself to new yorkers. and the fact that he has a very attractive family, especially ivanka who was a businesswoman and a mother and an extremely
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appealing person, the more she can get out there and campaign, certainly the better it is for him. >> a lot of people agree with you on that. david, senate republicans, his colleagues in the senate, they certainly haven't rallied to ted cruz, although yesterday in the situation room i asked senator jim risch if he endorsed ted cruz and he said i guess. with the ponssibility of a contested convention becoming more likely, do you think more of those republican senators will eventually endorse ted cruz? i think only three right now have done so. >> yeah, i mean we may get to the point where senator republicans and the gop establishment, if you will, decide that it's simply just in their best interests to hold their nose and back senator cruz, but he is not well liked. he has the endorsement of senator mike lee. on your air yesterday, senator risch lukewarmly backed into an endorsement of senator cruz. but senator cruz had much more support and much more enthusiasm during his first term among
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house members, who he kind of joined with to try and grind the gears of senate business to a halt, to try and thwart some of the agenda of president obama. it was much more popular among house rank and file than his own senate colleagues. his senate colleagues haven't forgotten that. >> he got a lukewarm endorsement from lindsey graham as well. no great love there, but lindsey graham obviously does not like donald trump at all. all right, guys, stand by. much more coming in. more information coming in on the democratic race, which is becoming increasingly more vitriolic, stay with us.
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we're back with our political experts. let's turn to the suddenly very nasty democratic presidential campaign. hilary, senator sanders has doubled down on his attacks against hillary clinton saying she is not qualified to be president of the united states. do you think that was a mistake on his part? >> oh, my god, yes, it was a mistake. these -- everybody just needs to calm down and breathe before we turn into the republicans. you know, i'm sensing around new york today there's a lot of rallying around hillary from those sanders attacks. it just doesn't help anybody and it's a silly thing to say that she's not qualified. she didn't say that about him. what we're finding is now, i think, with the sanders campaign that defending hillary against the sanders attacks are now turning into what they call attacks on sanders.
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and it's the circular firing squad that's not going to help anyone. >> david, hillary clinton was in the bronx today, was asked to respond to senator sanders comments about her n being qualified to be president. listen to what she had to say. >> that's a silly thing to say, but i'm going to trust the voters of new york who know me and have voted for me three times, twice for senate, once in the presidential primary. look, i didn't -- i don't know why he's saying that, but i will take bernie sanders over donald trump or ted cruz any time. >> so what's your analysis, david? was it a miscalculation on senator sanders part to go after her as tough as he did? >> wolf, you see in that clip that clinton grabbed the first opportunity to try and appear to be the bigger person in this spat. i think maybe for that reason alone the sanders camp might have overshot just a little bit in many terms of their pushback. but within the last hour or two,
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wolf, i actually talked to a senior sanders campaign aide. what i was told was, look, the sanders campaign really wants this to be about the issues, but that if they feel that something comes from clinton or from the clinton camp that is less about the issues and more about senator sanders himself and his leadership style or capabilities, then they do intend to respond to that directly. >> you know, jeffrey, sanders is behind hillary clinton in new york state. remember, this is a closed primary in new york, only registered democrats can vote. independents can't vote, republicans can't vote in the democratic primary. the latest quinnipiac university poll has her at 54%, bernie sanders at 42%. what do you think, how's this battle over whether she's qualified to be president going to impact that outcome a week from tuesday? >> you know, i think it's just not the kind of attack that has worked for him. i mean he has had successful attacks. trade deals. they are unpopular in the democratic party and she
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supported them and he at least now says he's very much opposed to them. the iraq war vote remains a tremendous albatross for her even though it's now a long time ago. those are the attacks that have worked. claiming that a woman who has been secretary of state, a senator, the first lady of the united states, claiming that she is unqualified, first of all, it's just silly. no one in the democratic party is going to believe it. and second, it's just not -- it's just not an effective attack. he should stick with what's worked because it really has worked in certain states. >> hilary, i want to get your reaction to former president bill clinton we saw clashing wi with black lives matter protesters. will this come back to hurt the clinton campaign? what do you think? >> well, you know what happens with bill clinton is when he sees these attacks, such as the fact that people criticized a crime bill that he signed when he was president, he takes it
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too personally. he can't -- he can't get past it and let's talk about what we're going to do now. let's talk about what hillary clinton's program is going to be, to create racial equality and to kind of adjust where we are now in these statutes. so i think it is a problem that the former president just can't seem to let that go. on the other hand, you know, it's frustrating to get protested. he has been a seminole figure for democrats, he's been a lifelong progressive and i think it's a -- i understand it's a human reaction, but it has gotten him in trouble before and he needs to have discipline. >> i've got to say if you actually listen to what bill clinton said in response to those protesters, it was dense with facts about the declines in murder rates, about who else voted for that bill. >> that's true. >> i actually think if you listen to what he said, it was a very convincing response.
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i don't know why he has to become a docile insignificant figure when he is an enormously respected figure who actually knows what he's talking about. >> well, i think that's right. the problem, though, is that it's as much about attitude and it is about facts. usually his delivery is the thing that makes him be a great politician, but when he comes across as defensive, the facts get masked. so i agree with you, jeffrey, though, he does have the good defense. this isn't about substance, i think it's about strategy. >> let me quickly get david's quick reaction. go ahead, david. >> i think it's both about substance and style. at this point, as hilary is saying, the issue for president clinton is that he has come across as defensive in instances where, look, the black lives matter movement is not new at this point. secretary clinton has met with black lives matter protesters. these issues have really been at the forefront of our politics
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for the last year, maybe even two years. so for him to not be prepared to have a more nuanced response is really showing that he's not helping his wife's campaign. he's in a way -- whether he has some points on the merits, he's not helping in terms of getting a message across to voters. >> he did show a lot of passion in that response that we just saw. haven't seen that from him in a long time. all right, guys, stand by. we're just getting in some newly released surveillance video showing the mysterious man in that light jacket who was with the brussels terrorists. but this is after he left the scene of the brussels airport bombings. where he is now? stick around. no one's the same without the game of football...
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on the loose, a very dangerous suspect spotted on remarkable new surveillance video. you first saw him walking into the brussels airport right before the bloody terror bombings. now he's caught on camera leaving after the massacre and moving through the city. cnn's brian todd has been digging into this story and getting new information. >> we're about to take you step by step through this man's getaway. belgian authorities have issued a wanted notice for the man. he's on the run more than two weeks after the brussels attacks. he's considered consider dangerous and now belgian officials are asking for the public's health with video that provides startling new details of this man's escape route. the most hunted man in europe still on the run. tonight authorities have raised the stakes. belgian police just released surveillance footage of the man in white, the third attacker at the brussels airport. his identity still unknown.
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he's believed to have left a bomb at the airport and then slipped away just minutes after the bombs explode, police say the man in white leaves the brussels airport, walks past this sheraton hotel, turns right, through this avis parking lot. for a moment he starts running. he's on foot the whole time taking this path toward the center of the town. then he's seen an hour later again. his sleeves are rolled up. police also note this. he has ditched his white jacket. >> ditched my coat. toss it. i've changed my appearance. how hard does that make me to track as a suspect? >> makes it extremely difficult. a team of law enforcement officers or security agents that are following a target or a suspect. you know, with that one simple move by, you know, taking that light colored jacket off and, you know, let's just say that you duck into a building to do it in, or into an alley and come back out, you know, you are no longer looking at the light
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colored jacket. >> for nearly an hour he continues walking the same route. then cameras pick him up walking through the schaerbeek neighborhood. that's the area where the terrorists built their bombs. the man continues walking through schaerbeek. five minutes later, he's spotted. clearly visible, elbow patches on his shirt, seemingly talking on a cell phone. >> tells us he's got other people involved in this that he may be calling for a ride. he may be asking for assistance or just checking on the progress of what happened during all the attacks. >> reporter: after that, the trail goes cold. police have released close-ups of the man's shoes with thick white soles and are asking again if anyone recognizes his face or saw him walking along that seven-mile route from the airport to schaerbeek. but belgian authorities have admitted they've had little penetration in those predominantly immigrant neighborhoods. >> in those neighborhoods, people can come, go to their safe homes, hide in plain sight for months without being dete
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detected, no one calling police. >> since the brussels attacks, belgian counterterror forces have been aggressively staging raids in the schaerbeek and molenbeek neighborhoods so it's not clear if local residents are any more inclined to help them find that suspect now than they were before or not. wolf? >> they are looking very, very ferociously for this suspect. also shows those closed circuit tv cameras that are all over the place in brussels like over so many european cities. the democrats get negative and nasty. bernie sanders says hillary clinton is not qualified to be president of the united states. is there bad blood ahead of their cnn debate and a crucial primary? stay with us. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist
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happening now -- >> if you want to question my qualifications, maybe the american people might wonder about your qualifications, madam secretary. >> well, it's kind of a silly thing to say. >> berned. hillary clinton laughs off bernie sanders' claim that she's not qualified to be president. he says she started it. will they leave scars on the party. on trump's turf. he's ramping up his campaign. tonight he's warning that new yorkers won't forget cruz's disparaging comments about their values. lose with cruz? as more top gop officials reluck tantdly embrace the senator, are they privately admitting defeat for the party in the fall? and on the lam. new video shows the missing brussels bombing suspect as he fled the scene ambling through
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the streets in his dark hat and white jacket. a top official telling cnn exclusively why european nations have trouble tracking terrorists. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." tonight the democratic presidential race is taking an ugly detour from the high road. bernie sanders is arguing that hillary clinton isn't qualified for the presidency. he's accusing hillary clinton of making a similar claim about him and says he won't be beaten up. as for clinton, she took a spin on the new york subway today while her campaign accused sanders of sicnking to a new lo. the democrats trading barbs as they prepare to face off in cnn's democratic presidential debate in brooklyn one week from today. the republicans also on the attack heading into the delegate-rich new york primary. tonight, donald trump is out with a new video. he's blasting ted cruz for his
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now infamous remark about new york values. another major story we're following. there's new evidence now revealed in the hunt for the missing brussels bombing suspect. surveillance video showing his route as he slipped away after the terror attacks. we have our correspondents, analysts and newsmakers. they're all following the news. we're also following the top stories, including a prominent bernie sanders supporter standing by to join us live. there she is. congresswoman gabbert. let's go to our washington correspondent joe johns. you're in philadelphia where bernie sanders strongly defended his attack on hillary clinton's qualifications. what did he say? >> wolf, bernie sanders went after hillary clinton twice in less than 24 hours with the kind of ferociousness we've seen more reserved for the republicans. while hillary clinton was trying to appear above it all, her campaign was fending off charges
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that they were the ones who started it. tonight bernie sanders is sharpening his attacks on hillary clinton as the democratic race intensifies. >> i'll not be hustling money from the wealthy and the powerful. >> reporter: sanders is not backing down from a fight he insists clinton started. >> i'm not going to get beaten up. i'm not going to get lied about. we will fight back. >> reporter: tensions coming to a boil with sanders launching a blistering critique of clinton at a philadelphia rally thursday night. >> let me just say in response to secretary clinton, i don't believe that she is qualified. if she is through her superpac taking tens of millions of dollars in special interest. i don't think you are qualified if you've voted for the disastrous war in iraq. >> reporter: clinton today brushing off the criticism from
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her rival. >> well, it's kind of a silly thing to say, but i'm going to trust the voters of new york who know me and have voted for me three times, twice for senator, once in the presidential primary. >> reporter: both campaigns are looking to leverage the back and forth sending out fund-raising e-mails to supporters. the clinton team calling sander' remarks a ridiculous and irresponsible attack. the sanders campaign accusing the clinton camp of getting nervous and launching a full-on attack before the new york primary. ahead of the april 19th contest in her adopted home state, clinton today focussed on her connections to new york. >> i am so proud to have represented this state for eight years. i'm a proud new yorker, and i want to be a good president for new york and for the rest of our country. >> reporter: engaging in some retail politics, riding the new york subway for two stops. >> some people need to get off? >> reporter: along the way she took a sweep at sanders for incorrectly referring to the
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subway fare as tokens. >> i think we changed when i was senator. i think it was my first term when we changed from tokens to metro cards. >> reporter: hillary clinton was in ohio today, as well as colorado doing some fund-raising. bernie sanders expected to move up to new york again for more campaigning. wolf, back to you. >> more fireworks for the democrats tonight. this time bill clinton generating sparks with an angry finger pointing response to protesters. let's go to our senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny who is joining us. jeff, the former president, he was really fired up today. we haven't seen him like that in quite a while. >> he was indeed. he was campaigning in philadelphia, of course, in advance of that primary, which say week after the new york primary. but it's a question that's dogged the clintons about him signing the crime bill more than two decades ago. black lives matters protesters came to his rally and tried to
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interrupt his speech. let's watch. >> oh, now wait a minute. now you're screaming. so let's do another one. i don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out on to the street to murder other african-american children. maybe you thought they were good citizens. she didn't. she didn't. you are defending the people who killed the lives. you are defending the people who caused young people to go out and take guns. there was a 13-year-old girl in washington, d.c., who was planning her -- how would you do it? now look at this. that's not true. and the reason is they know it's true is they won't hush. when somebody won't hush and listen to you, that ain't
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democracy. they are afraid of the truth. don't you be aphrased of the truth. don't you be afraid of the truth. >> perhaps, wolf, we're seeing bill clinton's best attribute there, standing up to protesters and really defend iing his acti. this doesn't have much to do with the central theme of this campaign but it shows that he is one of her best campaigners out there. but this is an issue that's not going away. hillary clinton certainly has been protested by some black lives matters protesters as well. it's one of the issues in this campaign. the one aide i talked to this afternoon said, wolf, they are happy he's talking to these protesters n not engaging bernie sanders. wolf? >> jeff zeleny. a very high-profile supporter of bernie sanders, telsie gabbert is joining us.
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do you think she's qualified to be president of the united states? >> wolf, this whole back and forth i think is really getting hyped up a lot more by the media and what i hear from people along the campaign trail and what i know the american people are concerned about is about who is right and wrong on issues that are important to them. i can see why the clinton campaign is getting nervous. bernie has won seven out of the last eight states. he's clearly got momentum as he gains more support in the states that are coming up. but really what it comes down to and what is important to talk about in this election is the differences between the two candidates. you and i have spoken before specifically on secretary clinton's tenure as secretary of state, as u.s. senator. and the track record she has in particular on these foreign policy issues. so when voters are looking at in these upcoming states, what are the differences, some key distinctions important to note are begin with the iraq war.
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secretary clinton either didn't do her homework properly or didn't have the foresight and judgment to know how that war would end up, and she voted for it. bernie sanders voted against it. >> let me interrupt for a second. do you agree then with bernie sanders that because of that vote on the war, because she takes money from wall street, because she supports some of these free trade agreements she is not qualified to be president of the united states? the media didn't say that. senator sanders said that. >> agone, wolf, it's important the voters are going to make this decision themselves. and they're going to make this decision based on who they believe will be our president and commander in chief and who will do the best job at that. and that's why it's important to make these clear distinctions between hillary clinton and bernie sanders on these issues of war and peace, on these issues really that will impact who will lead our country as our next commander in chief. it's not just about iraq. it's about what happened after
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that. it's about her decision as the architect and champion for the military overthrow of gadhafi in libya that resulted in a failed nation and chaos and loss of life and a stronger isis and al qaeda. and now with the current war in syria, where secretary clinton supports continuing this regime change interventionist war, bernie sanders opposes it and has promised to end it. she's promised to continue it and continue to escalate it with the noly zone without providing any details on exactly how many u.s. aircraft will be necessary to implement that no-fly zone. how will it be effective? how many u.s. ground troops will be required to enforce that so-called safe zone or no-fly zone. what will happen if a russian plane, for example, violates that no-fly zone. there's so many questions on what she's proposing to do on this current day war in syria that have yet to be answered, and i encourage you to ask her those questions in the debate that you'll be moderating. >> i'm sure we will.
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but it sounds like you are making the case that you don't believe she's qualified to be president of the united states. let me rephrase the question. let's say she gets the democratic nomination. will you support her? >> i am focussed on supporting bernie sanders in winning this democratic nomination. we will cross that bridge, if and when we get there. but i am working hard to make sure that voters in these states that are coming up and voting in the coming days are informed about the differences so they can make that best decision for themselves. >> really hard, i see, for you to say those words, yes, i would support her if she's the democratic nominee. you are a democrat. so you really have a serious problem with hillary clinton, right? >> well, i have serious issues with the track record and the positions that she's taken on -- in particular as it relates to foreign policy and the decisions that she has made that have cost our country trillions of dollars. that have cost our country thousands of lives.
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my brothers and sisters in uniform who i served with who never made that trip home on that plane. whose families are still home grieving the loss of their loved ones. there are very real consequences to this election. it's not just about a horse race or who is going to pick up the most points. it is about the very real consequences of this decision that's before the american people. and why it's so important for us, all of us, the media, the american people to really talk about and examine carefully what it is that she is proposing, what's it is that bernie sanders is proposing, where are the differences in that and what's the consequences of those positions that they've taken, in particular on these issues of war and peace. >> and this is an issue that is very, very personal for you. you served -- you are a u.s. military veteran. served in the war in iraq and you saw what was going on. you take that vote that she had going forward with the war, obviously, very, very seriously. bernie sanders opposed that war. let's talk about bernie sanders
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as a democrat. you are a democrat. the democratic congresswoman from hawaii. he's not a democrat. although he's running for the democratic presidential nomination. so far, it doesn't look like any of his democratic colleagues, he's an independent senator from vermont, but none of the democrats in the senate have endorsed him in the senate. he's got some supporters in the house of representatives like you but not in the senate. why do you believe no democratic senator has endorsed him? >> that's a good question. i think that there's a lot of fear, unfortunately that drives decisions that are being made in washington. fear against going against the establishment. fear against what going against the so-called clinton machine will bring upon them. i'm not going to speak for any particular senator or make presumptions about why they are making their own decisions. but i think for those who have endorsed bernie sanders, whether they are elected officials or people out in these communities,
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a leading supporter of senator bernie sanders campaign. congresswoman, as the democratic ra goes more contenuous, bernie sanders, as you know, is claiming hillary clinton is not qualified to be president of the united states, she's raising questions about him. pointing to that "new york daily news" interview with the editorial board in which he didn't know what legal authority he would have on the federal reserve, the department of treasury, to go ahead and break up wall street, to break up those big banks. he's getting a lot of criticism for that. what's your reaction? >> well, bernie sanders has laid out a very clear plan on exactly what he will do in order to reform wall street and bring back some sensibility to our financial industry. and he has detailed exactly what that would be. there have also been articles and experts and economists who have defended bernie sanders' interview there who said exactly what he laid out that he will do and the distinctions that he made.
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i think an important difference between secretary clinton and senator sanders is on the reinstatement of a glass/steagall act. this is one of the key elements of bernie sanders' plan that he's laid out which is to reinstate a 21st century glass/steagall act. something that would separate the risky investment banking practices that were the cause of this 2008 crash in our economy from the commercial banking that consumers rely on for their day-to-day lives and their work. this is something that secretary clinton has refused to support and so it actually doesn't surprise me that rather than really talking about the substance and the differences between their plan and how they will reform wall street, instead they're trying to raise things that really don't exist saying that senator sanders doesn't have a plan when he talks almost every day about what his plan is. >> do you believe, congresswoman, that bernie sanders' best political interest right now is to really go negative against hillary
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clinton? >> i actually disagree that senator sanders is going negative. i think he is doing something that he'll probably continue to do. that is raise the differences, raise the contrast between he and secretary clinton, both on their record as well as on their positions on different issues. you know, he feels really strongly about a lot of these things, including wall street reform and how to make sure the financial industry is best serving a stable economy and the american people. and i imagine that he'll continue to raise those differences so people know before they go and cast votes in new york, in pennsylvania, in california and all these other states that have yet to vote so they know exactly who they are getting. >> but it's pretty negative when he says she's not qualified to be president. doesn't get a whole lot more negative than that. >> he's raising -- i think it's important that you look at the context of the points he's raising and you can say the same things about secretary clinton
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and what she's saying and her surrogates are saying about senator sanders. if you look at the substance of what senator sanders is saying it's about raising the differences and informing people about how he and secretary clinton disagree on some key and important issues, whether it be wall street reform, whether it be the iraq war, whether it be the current war, the regime change, unnecessary war happening in syria that's causing so much human suffering and strengthening our enemy and isis and al qaeda. there are clearly differences. and i think it's important for senator sanders to continue contrasting his positions with secretary clinton's positions because there are real differences there. >> congresswoman tulsi gabbard, thank you for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. aloha. as i told akeem jeffreys in the last hour, a supporter of hillary clinton, hillary clinton is lucky to have him, bernie sanders is lucky to have you. hillary clinton and bernie
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tonight, ted cruz is reaching out to new york's jewish community helping children make matzo at a bakery. donald trump is reminding new yorkers that trucruz attacked tr values. let's go to cnn's political reporter sara murray in new york for us. trump is battling for new york but also looking beyond the primaries. what's the latest? >> that's right, wolf. the trump campaign definitely wants to go into cleveland with 1,237 delegates. they want to avoid a floor fight. but they're doing everything they can to prepare just in case things don't go quite as planned. >> it's great to be home. we love new york. >> reporter: donald trump is clearly in a new york state of mind. >> i love these people! these are my people. man. >> reporter: campaigning in his home state, trump is scrapping a
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california press conference scheduled for later this week and abandoning plans to appear at this weekend's colorado convention. the billionaire businessman is trying to put a stinging loss in wisconsin in the rear-view mirror and launch a more disciplined delegate hunt. today trump appeared to expand the role of a key hire. veteran gop paul manafort to oversee delegate operations and washington outreach. now that the race has shifted to new york this dig at new york values -- >> i think most people know exactly what new york values are. >> i am from new york. i -- >> you're from new york so you might not. >> reporter: may come back to bite. >> i've got this guy standing over there looking at me, talking about new york values with scorn in his face with hatred. with hate red of new york. so, folks, i think you can forget about him. >> reporter: cruz is lagging in third place in the latest new york polls. and the state may prove to be
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unfriendly territory. >> no business being in the bronx. this san immigrant community. >> reporter: this morning he was greeted by this headline saying take the fu train, ted. but cruz is turning the knives on trump and painting him as a not so secret new york liberal. >> our friends in the media tell us that donald trump is unstoppable in new york state. oddly enough our friends in the media are very comfortable with a new york liberal who has supported andrew cuomo and hillary clinton and chuck schumer for decades. >> reporter: all while john kasich and the superpac supporting him pile on against ted cruz. >> when you smear new york values in iowa for votes, we remember that, too. now you come here and convenient say you love new yo york. >> reporter: cruz also made a late day stop at a matzo bakery
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for children. kasich is going for the ultimate empire state pander. stopping by a deli in the bronx and saying he'd consider inviting former new york yankee derek jeter to join the ticket. >> people say if you win, who is going to be your vice president? somebody that i would have under consideration, jeter. >> donald trump is hoping to pick up all the delegates in new york. there are 95 at stake. they are hunkering down here in the state. so far no public schedules for donald trump and nothing released for tomorrow. >> we'll see what they do. thanks, sara murray. let's bring in our senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny. cnn anchor don lemon is with us. gloria borger is with us and ryan lizza, the washington correspondent for the new yorker magazine. gloria, donald trump is turning his focus to the campaign in new
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york state, rather than california. at least for now. california isn't until early june. he's moving rallies here, releasing this instagram video. watch this. >> everyone understands that the values in new york city focus around money and the media. >> i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanely than new york. >> new york values are american values it said. what's his strategy here? >> first of all, i think that's a great video. it clearly, you have to expect that trump is going to use the new york values thing theme. what he's trying to do by not going to colorado or california and focusing on new york now is to try and reduce cruz to getting zero delegates out of new york. new york has 95 delegates. if he keeps cruz below 20%
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statewide, and in all congressional districts he comes away with nothing. and i think, you know, trump understands that this is now a delegate fight. and this is a place where he can really rack them up. so why not stay and make sure that he does it? >> jeff, rudy giuliani said today he will vote for, not necessarily endorse, but he will vote for donald trump in the new york republican primary. giuliani telling "the new york times," doesn't agree with trump on mass deportations or immigration but he did say he was the best choice right now. what does that tell you about this, insisting it's not an official endorsement, but he would vote for trump. >> it tells us there aren't that many options here for a lot of new york republicans. and largely because of what ted cruz said back during those -- the campaigning in iowa about new york values.
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rudy jewel nongiuliani is not g support someone who questioned new york values. he's kind of holding his nose and saying i'm going to vote for trump. i don't want to endorse him and support all his ideas or be saddled with that, but he certainly wants to send a signal that he's supporting trump. and he also said that he believes that trump will get over 50% of the delegates -- or over 50% of the vote which means all of the delegates here. so there aren't that many options if you want to go with a winner in new york. donald trump is probably your best option. and that's in mind what's going on in giuliani's mind. >> ryan, i want you to listen to what senator ted cruz just told our dana bash. listen to this. >> senator, thank you for sitting down with me. >> great to be with you. >> i'm sure you've seen this. >> i'm glad you're laughing. the new york daily news gave you a warm welcome and some helpful hints to take the f train and u train. >> very helpful. >> in all seriousness when you saw this --
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>> i laughed out loud. i have never been popular with left wing journalists or tabloids. and frankly, that's not my target audience. i'll tell you the energy and support we're seeing, we just did a wonderful gathering here. i came to brooklyn and baked some matzo and just spoke with a russian jewish community and orthodox community and hassidic jewish community. the energy we had was tremendous. >> so, ryan, what do you think? he's campaigning in new york. polls show he's in third place behind kasich, obviously behind trump. do you knowledthink he's got a doing anything in new york? >> welcome to new york from the tabloids to ted cruz. he benefits from a couple of things. low expectations. donald trump is the overwhelming favorite. and ted cruz has a couple of goals. keep donald trump under 50%. you get an extra pack of delegates if you break 50%. but then remember, it's
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congressional district by congressional district. and new york is a big state. not everyone is a new york city liberal in new york. there are plenty of conservatives. and he's just going to do a very targeted, strategic campaign district by district. keep donald trump under 50%. and win some of those district level battles. so he benefits from low expectations. at the end of the day he's not going to go into the convention with the majority of delegates. the whole game is to keep donald trump under 1,237. so that's his strategy in new york. >> don lemon, bill clinton clashed today with some black lives matter protesters in philadelphia. really got angry at them. the protesters were critical of his 1994 crime bill. what do you think of that engagement he's had with them? >> i think it's -- this is why many people call, you know, the former president a brilliant politician, the way he engages
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people. the way he explained himself. listen, he has said it was a mistake, the way the bill was written, and admits it sent african-american and hispanic people, especially men, to jail more than any other segment of the population. but he engaged with the protesters and what i thought he did -- no one is excusing what he did. he's not even excusing the bill. hillary clinton is not excusing the bill. i asked her about it during our flint debate. he explained to people the circumstances surrounding the bill and what was happening in 1994. the crime problem we had. the crack epidemic. the epidimmic that's happening on the streets in realtime and that there were, as a representative said from new york, earlier on your show that there were members of the congressional black caucus and other very prominent african-americans who supported the 1994 crime bill. hindsight is 20/20. turned out to not be such a great bill but at least he explained it.
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brilliant in his explanation but no one is, you know, forgiving him at least for having signed it or at least letting him off the hook, is a better term. >> everybody stand by. you can see dana bash's full interview with senator ted cruz later tonight on erin burnett "outfront" at the top of the hour. and don lemon will be back with more at 10:00 p.m. eastern on his program "cnn tonight." cnn's democratic debate is in brooklyn one week from tonight. be sure to join uapril 14th, 9:00 p.m. eastern, only here on cnn. just ahead, what can republicans expect in cleveland. an insider who played a major role in the last contested gop convention is dishing out what it takes to win over delegates and it isn't pretty. how did police in brussels lose the trail of the man. and a new video is released of the suspect's escape. when you booked this trip,
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a lot of republicans right now are wringing their hands wondering what to expect if the july convention in cleveland ends up being contested. some party veterans know firsthand what it's like to see a bare knuckled brawl over delegates play out on the convention floor and behind the scenes. our chief political analyst gloria borger sat down with a longtime power player in the gop who was at the last contested convention 40 years ago.
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>> after millions of votes, dozens of contests and heaps of mud flung along the way, the republican presidential race has a bit of everything. except a nominee. >> we will win a majority of the delegates. >> reporter: last time a contested convention happened was in 1976 when former california governor ronald reagan was the outsider, challenging the president gerald ford. both men claimed to have the votes heading into the convention, but nobody was sure. not even jim baker who was then ford's top delegate hunter. >> we had no assurance whatsoever that he would get the majority of votes necessary to be nominated. >> but he did. winning the nomination and earning baker headlines. but it was far from easy. >> mr. president --
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>> governor reagan almost knocked off an incumbent republican president. we had to get in there and scramble for it and fight for it. >> reporter: so as donald trump gets ready to rumble at the convention, baker has little sympathy for the argument that if trump is closest to the finish line going in, he should be declared the winner. >> it's mathematically unfair. >> is that the way the process works? >> that's a very good political argument for him to make but that's not actually the way the process is supposed to work. >> 20 votes for our fellow texan. >> it's supposed to work in a vote or series of votes by the delegates on the floor of the convention. they select the nominee. it is, after all, a party's nominating convention. >> reporter: the good news for trump is that his supporters, like ronald reagan's 40 years ago, are diehard. >> reagan had the benefit of the movement. his delegates were really
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committed to what he stood for. >> just the same way trump's delegates are very committed to donald trump as the outsider. >> provided trump can get them selected as delegates and not have his delegate slots filled by a kasich or cruz person. >> reporter: in other words, just winning the most delegates on primary nights is not enough. >> another win for donald trump. >> reporter: winning states is one thing, but keeping your state delegates is another matter entirely. not only on first ballot but hanging on to them if there are multiple votes, leaving delegates free to roam. even defect. and that's where trump's anti-establishment campaign is playing catch-up. if you were running the trump delegate selection process now, what would you be doing? >> well, i think they need to be ramping up a sophisticated
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delegate selection process. i'm not sure that they've been paying very much attention to their ground game. >> how do you keep track of it? >> first of all, you need to know everything there is to know about a potential delegate or a delegate. most important thing to know is what turns them on, what turns them off, what they believe in, what they favor, what they disfavor, who they are sleeping with, okay? you make a point to learn everything you can about each delegate. and then you just massage that delegate, you stay in touch with them. you work them, protect them to keep them from being stolen by the other side. it's a zero-sum game, and as people say all the time -- >> reporter: with very few rules. >> now you've got to be very careful. you can't buy votes. >> what's can you do? >> there's some things you can do, and, of course, we took great advantage of it in 1976
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ahead of the party was the president of the united states. >> that helps. >> that helps a lot. a dinner for the queen of england. so you have -- get an uncommitted delegate, invite him to the white house for a state dinner for the queen of england. you don't think you have a good chance of getting his vote? you have a good chance of getting his vote. >> did you? >> yes. i bet i went to more state dinners than anybody in the ford era. >> reporter: some crossing the line. >> we got a lot of inappropriate requests and some outrageous ones like jobs, federal jobs. >> federal jobs? >> yeah, federal jobs. if i'm not mistaken, there was a request to lay off a relative of one of the delegates who had been prosecuted for federal crime. i mean, things like that. >> reporter: and proper requests aside, what's to stop a few
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friendly plane rides to mar-a-lago, or a hunting trip -- >> he shot the wrong kind of bird. >> reporter: -- to texas. >> the game wasn't only played on our side. it was played on their side, too. we just had better inducements we could offer. >> america is at peace. >> reporter: still, it was close when it came to a head on the convention floor, ford beat reagan outright by just 117 votes. >> we must go forth from here united. >> reporter: but this fight could be more bitter and last longer. and baker warns that if it does, and the rules start changing in the middle of the game, there could be hell to pay. for the entire republican party. >> if you have a candidate who is 1,1within 100 or 150 to get and you start changing the rules to screw the candidate out of the
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the general election, you're going to buy yourself some grief. you're going to buy yourself some grief. all who thought they were voting for significant change might stay home. >> reporter: and one big difference between now and 1976 is while that was a tough fight, reagan gave a great speech at the convention endorsing ford and calling for party unity. and it's kind of hard right now for me to imagine either trump or cruz doing that this time around. while we're talking about the convention, wolf, today the trump campaign officially stepped up its delegate strategy with its newly appointed convention manager paul manafort who worked for jim baker at the 1976 convention. so wolf, history has now come full circle. >> as you know, gloria, first of all, great piece you just did. >> thank you. >> as you know, a lot of people think this may be a little late now to start the new effort to
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get the new delegates for the campaign. the cruz campaign has had a very strong ground game for months. >> i do think they have an advantage. and i think that's what jim baker was pointing out. while he speaking very highly of paul manafort, he said look, you got to get in the game early. it's a very complicated game. it's 3-d chess. you've got to figure out where people are not only on the first ballot, but beyond. and you have to know who your people are and who you can depend on. and when you're an outsider, as reagan was, and you've run as an anti-establishment candidate, it's kind of hard. because the people who go to the convention, wolf, are party people. around they're not about sending messages or anything else like that. they're about winning. and they're going to go with the candidate whom they believe can beat the democrat. wolf? >> interesting stuff. very interesting stuff. i just want to let our viewers know, paul manafort is going to be a guest on cnn's "new day" tomorrow morning. check out that out.
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an important interview coming up. and by the way, cnn takes you inside the reagan revolution and the legacy of the president defined an era. be sure to watch the original series "the eighties" nine p.m. tonight on cnn. ahead, capturing a fugitive terror suspect leaving the scene of the attacks. the video and the mystery, when we come back.
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police have released extensive new video of the missing suspect in the brussels airport terror attack. they're appealing for information about the mysterious man wearing a dark hat and a
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light jacket. they now know the root he took after fleeing the carnage, but they apparently don't have a clue as to where he is right now. let's bring in our justice correspondent pamela brown. pamela, you had a chance to seek with a top u.s. official about the difficulty in tracking these terror suspects. what did he say? >> that's right, wolf. the director of the terrorist screening said in an exclusive interview that europe could be more aggressive in tracking terrorists by routinely using u.s. watch lists when potential terrorists try to cross european borders. tonight new surveillance video emerging of one of the suspected brussels terrorists still on the run as the head of the u.s. terror watch gist, christopher payota tells cnn most european countries are not taking full advantage of tools that help screen terrorists. >> it's concerning that our partners don't use all of our data. we provide them with tools. we provide them with support. i would find it concerning that they don't use these tools to
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help screen for their own aviation security, maritime screening, border, visas, things like that for travel. we find it concerning. >> reporter: making things even more difficult, european countries maintain their own individual terrorist watch lists, which each have different privacy standards, preventing them from sharing some suspect names with the u.s. >> in europe, there are yas information wasn't shared about someone because of privacy laws. how does that impact the terror watch lists? >> it impacts the terror watch lists in a way that our sharing may not as broad or as inclusive as it could be. >> reporter: director piehota fears the missing terrorist like the missing brussels suspect could slip into the u.s. >> there are many that we do know about. and unfortunately is there are some that we do not know about. we make sure we know as much as we can. and we take that information and we use it the best we can to
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minimize. but we can't show everything all the time. >> reporter: piehota says to get on the watch list, there must be reasonable suspicion someone has ties to terrorism. no one can be added based on their religion. as republican presidential front-runner donald trump has proposed. circumstances that even possible? can you do that? >> that's a policy decision that i wouldn't be able to comment on. >> could you ban someone because of their ethnicity or listing? >> no list is based upon race, religion, or any other protected right there. has to be a certainly level of derogatory information particularized to that individualhat would warrant their watch listing. national origins or affiliation is not grounds. >> and meantime, european officials have acknowledged gaps in coverage and communication following the brussels attacks. but some european officials don't want border checks based on privacy grounds.
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it's a debate the european parliament is taking up this month. wolf? >> thank you very much. good report, pamela brown, working the story for us. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next. donald trump cancelling events in california and colorado. he is going all in on must-win new york. is he hearing ted cruz's footsteps? plus, ted cruz speaking to cnn about how he'll win the nomination. why he is not getting support from his capitol hill colleagues. and the breaking news, bernie sanders moments ago addressing the ugly battle over whether hillary clinton is qualified to be president. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin

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