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blitzer, he is in "the situation room." thanks for watching. have a great weekend. happening now, terror captured two of the world's most wanted, they are now in custody suspected in the involvement of the paris and brussels disaster. could one of them be the so-called man in the hat caught on video? why has it taken so long? heightened alert, and an earlier arrest may have triggered the slaughter in brussels. could it be a signal to lauren more terror attacks y authorities may need to learn information very, very quickly. trump, the statistics show he is staying out-of-sight today, saying he is busy, running his business. but by staying home is he leaving delegates for ted cruz to grab in and back tracking after clashing with protesters bill clinton said he wanted to
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apologize and bernie sanders also backing off his claim that hilary clinton is not qualified to bepresident. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, you are in the situation room. this is cnn breaking news. >> we are following the breaking news, two of the most wanted terror suspects are captured in brussels both are linked to the massacres there. one, mow ham aus abrini is accused of taking part in the bombings in the brussels air port. the other suspect is being linked to the bombings in a brussels subway station. there's concern now that police must act quickly to learn if the
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rest could signal more cell members to launch fresh attacks. and a shift in strategy to the republican race, as cruz is hunting delegates in colorado, donald trump is cancelling travel plans, focusing in on his home statute of new york. the cruz campaign has been active behind the scenes for months and now trump's campaign is preparing for a possible delegate fight this summer in cleveland. i will speak to patrick murphy and we will have the coverage of the days top stories. we begin with breaking news, the arrest of two dangerous terror suspects. we have been digging in to this. what you are learning? >> a majorer break for counter terror forces in europe. a drag net in brussels has brought in two dangerous men. mohamed abrini believed to be a key operative, and osama krayiem, a man who may have been
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on the platform in brussels. they have been under pressure to sweep up this single terror cell believed to have carried out both the attacks in pair and i say -- in paris and brussels. two men believed to be the most wanted and dangerous suspects. one is 31-year-old mohamed abrini, it's reported that he could be the so-called man in white. the third attacker at the brussels airport. seen in this footage, walking next to the two suicide bombers. but prosecutors are not yet ready to make the link. >> at the moment, the investigators are verifying whether abrini can be positively identified as the third person present during the attacks in brussels the so-called man in the hat. that man slipped away and was seen in this surveillance footage making his way through
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brussels after the attacks. but mohamed abrini is still believed to have played a role in the paris assaults. >> before the attacks he transported the attack teams from belgium to pairs. >> abrini was seen in footage in a gas station in france two days before the attacks. he is with the paris suspect whose brother blew himself up in paris. he is believed to have drove to paris with them before the attacks. one is already in custody after aborting his mission in paris, making his way to brussels and hiding out for four months. he was captured four days before the brussels attacks. another key suspect arrested the today, osama krayiem, he is believed to have played an important role. >> one possibility is that he was seen on the tv out of the
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metro stop with a metro bomber. >> a key concern tonight, will the two men just captured give authorities any intelligence? >> they want to know about tactics, techniques and procedures. how did they pull the event off start to finish? what kinds of devices they were using? who built them? what other cell members are involved? >> and european intelligence officials believe their members of this same terror cell out there. >> european security agencies believe there are more than a dozen individuals still at large who played some kind of support role for the cell. a lot of concern of what they may do next. >> and investigators have a huge challenge tonight, with the two men just captured. their alleged co-horts, who believed to have played key roles in paris and brussels is thought to have not given up much information at all to
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authorities so far. so, wolf, these two may not talk. >> brian, as you know, one major suspect arrested today, this guy, osama a krayiem may have gathered the materials used in the brussels bombings. what do we know about that? >> that is right, he is the man in the center and the police say the second man seen in the center was this man, they are trying to identify, was videotaped in a shopping mall buying bags that were later used in the brussels attacks. >> thank you. let's turn to jim, jim, there's concern that there's arrests could spark another round of terror attacks. >> the beauty of these arrests are that you have taken two major terror suspects off the streets, connect to two of the most brutal attacks in europe. the danger is, when you do that that other members of the network have concerned they may be next and any details of plots currently under way could come out in interrogation of the suspects and may act out of fear
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that they will be caught themselves. you can argue that it was three days later after the last arrest, that we saw the brussels attack that perhaps the attacks were accelerated because of concerns from the members of the cell that they could be captured in the attacks toward it. >> we are showing images at the bottom of the screen, where there's more arrests under way and more searches under way as we speak right now. those are live pictures coming in from brussels. apparently, when he was picked up a few days before the tearer or attacks at the brussels airport. he did not talk or say anything or provide anything. but there was concern that other of his colleagues, shall we say, his cohorts were afraid he may, that is why they accelerated the attack. >> and even if they did not talk, if they got close to them, that they would have other intelligence and that meant they could get other members of the network next.
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that was a concern. the level of terror alert is high in europe. they are not going to officially raise it. but clearly they will be watching closely. >> while it's a win, the arrest of the two terror suspects, a lot of criticism of what is going on over from. >> we have heard it from u.s. officials that they are not sharing enough information about people on their own terror watch lists. that is between the u.s. and europe and within europe. i've heard from u.s. intelligence and counter terror officials that they have a pre-9/11 mentality, they are not sharing and playing nicely together, sometimes within their own countries in terms of sharing between a single country's own differing agencies. and that is something they have to do better. the impression i hear from the u.s. officials they are doing better, but they have to accelerate it to prevent the attacks going forward. >> those are live -- those are live pictures in the bottom right hand of the screen, looks like there's more arrests and searches under way as we speak. we will update our viewers. joining us is a member of the
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house intelligence committee, patrick murphy of florida. congressman, thank you for joining us. why do you believe it took so long to capture the terror suspect, mohamed abrini? >> that is the problem, listening to the previous guests, they hit the nail on the head. this is the 9/11 moment for them, we are seeing the issues and the lack of sharing information, the lack of technology, the lack of coordination amongst various law enforcement officials and the intelligence community. this is their moment and their conversation that needs to unfold, i think america plays an important role in helping them do that. because the truth is, in the globalized world we live in, what is a problem there could be a problem here tomorrow and the other way around and we have seen it play out already. additionally it's important to note this conversation, that is still playing out in the country and needs to play out in europe as this -- this really question
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of privacy verse safety and where is that going to fall? in times like, this you see obviously the penduluum swing. >> these are massacres that took place. mohamed abrini was one of europe's most wanted. what will his arrest mean in terms of trying to stop other terror attacks? >> well, you know, you eluded to it earlier, not just the united states but all european countries need to be on continued high alert. often times after a suspect is captured a terrorist is captured there's incidents that happen immediately after because of the fear. what we are learning is how closely knit the networks are, how well they understand a lot of european -- europe's and americas technology and doing what they can do to evade that. we have got to do a better job, especially once we get one of these, whether it's in europe or
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the united states, of getting down to the bottom and seeing what else is planned in the immediate future and how all the cells are connect. >> as far as you know, congressman, are there other plotters in the belgium terror attacks that remain at large? >> as far as i know, not yet. i don't know any of that information. when i get back to washington, d.c. next week, we will be briefed on this matter and we will know more information. but everything i know you know. it's all open source information at this point for me. >> sala abdasalom he was arrested before the brussels terror attacks at the metro station there. how concerned are you now that mohamed abrini's arrest could trigger another terror attack? >> well, europe is already on high alert and needs to remain in the same status. as does the united states of america. because what we see historically is once they are captured, once they are taken in by law enforcement is some of the other
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potential attacks that are planned are sped up. and they want to make sure that they are not caught, that nobody talks in essence, and that they carry out of the terrible, terrible actions. so, we have got to be on high alert and do a better job of coordinating. of getting and using technology, to prevent these from happening, getting their information that they may have. whether it's a computer or cell phone, being sure we see what is in there and who and where they are talking. give law enforcement that heads up. >> i have been told by u.s. counter terror officials that they worry after a arrest like this or a set back to isis, that they may order other terror attack to just brof -- to just to prove that they are capable of unleashing these attacks. how worried are you about that? >> unfortunately that is the reality. they are losing ground in syria,
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but they are showing their breadth and what a global network this is. and unfortunately, whether we want to call it isis or whether we want to refer to it as terrorism, it's al qaeda, whatever organization it is, we are continuing to see more and more of it popping up around the world. more acts of violence and extre extremism which shows the importance of law enforcement and coordination around the world and using technology to our advantage and doing a better job of integrating the refuges, that are really around the world, especially in europe. making sure they are asimulating better in to the communities. america does a better job of that than europe, but we have a lot on learn. >> i want to show the images in brussels. it's 11:13 over there in brussels. we are getting new information,
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the case, that would be a major break through in learning about the brussels attacks, wouldn't it? >> yes, it certainly would, that's the speculation, there's a lot of information to uncover here. but that is a first step in this. >> have you been told that that individual, abrini, is in fact that man in the hat as he has been called, that suspect? >> no, it has not connecticfirm me. we will have a briefing on the matter when i return to washington. >> the head of the watch list worries that europe is not taking full advantage of the data the u.s. provides to them. are european officials not closely monitoring what is going on or doing a good enough job? >> what are you seeing in some countries you are seeing them do a better job of it, but it's not consistent across the board. and in europe the borders are so pourous, people move from one
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country to another without any questions being asked. while it is stronger in one country, if you go 50 miles away and it's weak, what does it matter? that is the important moment, why i think it's a learning experience for europe. and that's why many people are calling this their 9/11 moment to learn, if we are going to have these open borders we better get to the bottom of the information sharing and make sure we are on the same page and make sure we are having more trust at all levels of law enforcement and using cyber to our advantage. the truth is, the bad guys, the terrorists are using it to their advantage and know what we are looking for, what we are not. and we have got to do a better job across the board globally to track the folks down. >> as you know, the nightmare scenario that keeps a lot of u.s. counter terror officials awake at night is that one of the terrorists could slip in the united states given a visa waiver program, they are all after all citizens of friendly countries of belgium or france
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or uk or sweden. whatever. is the u.s. on high enough alert right now? >> yes, you know, i don't know if you can say we are high enough on alert. what i do know is being a member of the intel committee in all of the briefings, this is one of the areas that we are spending the most time on. that law enforcement and the various agencies are spending a tremendous amount of time, vetting the folks coming to the country. making sure our borders are as safe as possible, it speaks to the grid lock in dc, how funding and topics are not being addressed. we have to make sure, in all areas we are putting partisanship aside, especially when it comes to the safety of the american people. >> that is critically important. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> we are going to continue to monitor the breaking news in this hunt for the terrorists.
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and staying home in new york. we are on the scene, sarah, what is the latest? what is going on? >> that the right, wolf, donald trump is hunkering down in the empire state while his campaign recalibra recalibrates. they do not want this thing to go to a second ballot at the convention, they are trying to have it locked up before they get to cleveland. donald trump stepping away from the trail to regroup and firing off a reminder that he has priorities beyond his bid for the presidency. tweeting, it's great to be in new york, catching up on many things, remember, i'm still running a major business while i campaign and loving it. trump laying low as his campaign crafts a plan to clinch the nomination before cleveland. >> the reality is ted cruz saw his best day and this convention process will be over probably june 7th and it will be obvious to the world that donald trump
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is over the delegates. >> i work directly for the boss. i listen to everyone. but i have one man whose voice is louder than everyone. >> manafort, that trump is going to take a more strategic approach. >> the campaign is in stages and there comes a time, when winning is not enough. >> meanwhile, ted cruz is still trying to make the case that he has a path to 1237 delegates. as his campaign hustles behind the scenes to prepare for a contested convention. >> we have a clear path forward to get to the 1237 delegates. >> even as he wants to lead the party, he will not apologize to senator majority leader mitch mcconnell for accusing him of
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lying. >> my focus is not on washington, that is not going to happen. if they want to see it happen, they can hold their breath, a long, long time. >> john kasich soldiered on his campaign and took a swipe at trump along the way. >> we are not winning, we are winning on everything. we are the strongest country by far in the entire world and people ought to stop whining about america. kasich going after cruz on the air ways. saying that the chances of winning the nomination or the general election. >> don't be fooled. ted cruz cannot win the nomination outright and he cannot defeat hilary clinton either. >> trump's break from the campaign trail will come to an end this weekend, he is expected to be campaigning in rochester, new york. >> thank you, joining us now, sean speiser. thanks very much for coming in. >> thank you. >> how likely is it that the republican nominee will have to face an open or contested
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convention? >> well, each contest that we go through tomorrow is colorado and the week after is another. as each passes by and either candidate does not rack them up and pursue the 1237, then that likelihood is greater. there's paths for both senator cruz and mr. trump to get those 1237 bound delegates. but, the percentages, i think are 60% for mr. trump and 85% for senator cruz that they need to rack up to get the bound delegates. it's an important distinction that people may go in a convention with 1200 bound delegates and have the support of 37. until the vote occurs where the majority of the delegates gives someone that nomination, it would be an open convention. >> the trump strategists, berry bennett said today, that trump, right now, they need 60% of the remaining delegates to be
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guaranteed the magic number and cruz needs 90%. >> right. >> this is what berry bennett said, if trump wins all of new york's 95 delegates, a week from tuesday and he thinks that he will, then it goes down to like 50% or 55% which is more doable. >> again, if you think bit, any scenario where if you over perform what you need, you need less going forward. if you under perform, you need a higher amount. the math works you know, to the point that wherever, however you get it, i mean if you wracked them all real quick. it was no doubt and it was noted in the prior interview, we are going to june 7th. whether you have the final group of states on june 7th. >> that's the biggest prize of the season. republicans have what they are called the unbound delegates, 183 unbound delegates that can decide to go any way they want. are they going to decide this? >> they could.
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it's and possible, that mr. trump in particular have enough of a lead that he may not need them. it's possible that the delegates who were elected as unbound or undeclared delegates become important. one thing that is interesting, if you go in to colorado or wyoming, those delegates can run undeclared and remain you understand bound, but they can also run for a candidate. so you can run as a ted cruz delegate or a john kasich delegate. in that case, you do become bound. and so, some of these states that do have unbound delegates allow the delegate to run bound to a particular candidate. that creates a second scenario too. of how that math would work. >> how would the rnc, the republican national committee, handle what some fear could be delega delegate intimidation? >> we will have the most secure and best convention that will be put on. i just got back to cleveland, the preparation is unbelievable.
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the city is excited, it will be phenomenal, our delegates will be protected and safe, and anyone who attends it. the media and guests and secret service and the local police have done a great job preparing. >> will there be rules preventing gifts being given to candidates to delegates that could make a difference. there's been concern about that, as you know? >> right now, there's no prohibition, of a delegate being interacted with. a rules committee could meet meet and say we enact a rule that limits further gifts to x or y, that would be something that the delegates get together, once they are arrive in cleveland and decide that for the good of all, they want to put something together. >> the cruz or trump or kasich campaign wants to do favors or offer someone a free trip, something like that, is that --
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is that okay? >> well, as far as i know, it's legal. but that is up to the -- they would probably have to disclose it with the federal election commission as they do any campaign expenditure. this is no different than going in to an early state and trying to win the support of major activists or what have you and saying we want to have dinner with you or bring you to an event. that currenting goes on in the system now. >> you think it all could come down to who has a better delegate operation in cleveland? >> sure, why not? that is part of the process. and part of what this whole process is about. winning the delegates. getting them allocated to you and ensuring that the delegates are selected, that are loyal to you and -- >> the trump supporters are going to be very, very upset and very angry at republican party, say trump comes in just short of the 1237 magic number, let's say he has 1200, and not 1237 and
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all of a sudden, they give it to somebody else. they will leave very, very angry. that could hurt -- >> whoever doesn't win is not going to be excited. that's the nature of losing. >> but if it's that close. >> the important thing is we will run the most open and transparent process that exists so that everyone, not just in the campaigns, but in the country and i dare say the world, is going to watch how a process can work. a democratic process when we go through in an open and honest and transparent way and everyone sees the votes tally and it is thatting live on television. -- and it is happening live on television. we want people to walk away saying i was treated fairly, it was open and honest. but that's the role of delegates, remember. they get elected to come in and represent the people that elected them. so, that is how the process works. and i expect it will work just the same this year in cleveland. >> and as you know, we will watch every step of the way. >> we are 100 days out tomorrow. it's exciting. >> we will be there every step of the way.
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today, we heard for the first time from donald trump's new delegate hunter who said he is reporting directly to trump himself. let's hear from our political commentators.
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real clear politics rebecca burg is with us and peter is with us. michael, paul manafort the new delegate expert for trump, he said that trump are will reach the magic number of 1237 delegates before the convention in cleveland and downplayed senator cruz's effort to "steal delega delegates." >> you have to understand what the game is, if the game is second or third or fourth ballot, then what he is doing is clever. but if there's one ballot, it's meaningless. the stolen delegates that he is talking about, they still have to vote for trump on the first ballot. >> so, michael, let's say trump does not get to 1237 on the first ballot, what happens then? >> i don't think he gets there at all.
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i think paul manafort recognizes that donald trump needs to get there before they arrive in cleveland because the rules really don't favor donald trump on every successive ballot. and the reason i say that, wolf, is because the party plays a greater role the further you get from the first ballot. look at new york, it's the party that they are now putting up the individual. donald trump could do well, get all 95 delegates and if it does not get him home, it's the party that is in control on the second, third and fourth ballot, and i think they will be looking for a winner and won't feel an allegiance to trump. pennsylvania, my home state on april 26th a very odd system. an untethered and unbound system, what they tend to favor are party people. those that have been the assistant committee man. the local representative and so forth. and i think donald trump is probably not their most favored candidate. they could be wedded to him on ballot number one and not
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thereafter. >> as you know, rebecca there's republican conventions this weekend, michigan and colorado, they are clearly on the ground and trying grab as many delegates as possible. how is the trump campaign trying to deal with it? >> the two states are different from each other. in michigan, we have what they were talking about. the delegates that are bound to trump on the first ballot. that is where people are organizing, around a second ballot situation. trump does have a presence in mu michigan, there was a bit of news made when mitt romney's niece who lives in michigan said she'd remain supportive of trump on the second ballot, which was a surprise. colorado is different. these are unbound delegates. so at the state convention this weekend, campaigns are trying scoop up as many of these delegates as they can. they are not bound on the first ballot. so that is a big deal. cruz is actually going to be speak tlg. is he -- speaking there. he is organizing well in
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colorado and has won most of the state's delegates. donald trump not coming to colorado or organizing well according to reports well. he will be at a disadvantage in colorado. >> he will be personally there but his campaign said others representing him. and cruz said yesterday, that anyone that expects him to apologize to the senator majority leader mitch mcconnell for accusing him of lying last year should hold their breath for a long, long time. how does a comment like that affect his ability to really establishment types, anti-trump republicans behind him? >> look, i think, establishment types recognize what senator ted cruz is. he is not a guy who played well in the sandbox. he is never going to win the mr. congeniality endorsement. you have to drag him out pulling teeth like you did with senator risch the other week. and i don't think that mitch mcconnell, who i know a little
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bit, is expecting an apology. it would go completely against his nature, against ted cruz's nature and image. it would do him at this point, more harm than good. donald trump would have a field day if ted cruz asked mitch mcconnell for an apology. it's the right thing to do, and i don't think anybody expects it, so, i'm not going to be holding my breath. we either support ted cruz because we are against trump or we don't support him because he was obstructionist and did not play well with his senator colleagues. those are the choices. >> peter, let me get you in to this, on the democratic side, as you know bill clinton tried to do damage control after the heated exchange that he had with the black lives matter protesters yesterday. listen to what he said earlier. >> i did something yesterday in philadelphia, i almost want to apologize for, but i want to use it as an example of the dangers threatening our country. half of us are so mad all the time because we think the game
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has been rigged. well the game has, the question is how you do unrig it? >> does this almost apology hurt or help the clinton campaign effort? >> well, the whole incident hurts hilary clinton. i think it was a very interesting debate and in some ways the example of a debate we should be having, bill clinton was making useful points about the discussion of crime and race being perceived differently by many african-american politicians back in the '90s from today. it takes hilary clinton off message. that was the fear of bill clinton. he took her off message. she made a decision that she'd focus on taking on mass incarceration and he did the opposite. and despite the apology, i think it throws her off message. >> all right, i want everyone to stand by, and i want to remind our viewers to tune in again
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in the democratic presidential race today, both senator bernie sanders and former president bill clinton are trying to take back some of their heated words out there on the campaign trail. let's go to our national correspondent suzanne malveaux.
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tell us about the latest backtracking. what's going on? >> wolf, as you know, as we both know covering president bill clinton, these flashes of public anger are very rare but we saw that yesterday in his confrontation with protesters with black lives matter. i talked to clinton supporters and quietly they do not think it was helpful to his wife's campaign. the clinton surrogates were very vocal in their criticism of bernie sanders calling hillary clinton unqualified to be president. hillary clinton today not letting go of charges from bernie sanders that she is not qualified to be president. >> you may have heard senator sanders say i'm unqualified to be president. well, serious ly -- seriously, i've been called a lot of things over the years, but unqualified has not been one of them. he doesn't really believe that. this is all pretty silly. >> reporter: the rebuke from the democratic front-runner comes as
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sanders backs off his earlier criticism of clinton's qualifications. >> does she have the experience? obviously, she was secretary of state. i thought an outstanding first lady in many respects, breaking the moeld. >> reporter: sanders back to insisting the democratic race should remain focused on issues, not personal attacks. >> certainly they do not want to have us act like republicans or embarrassment to this entire country. >> reporter: but there remains a tough battle under way in new york. both sides are playing up their empire state connections. >> hello, buffalo! oh, my gosh. i cannot tell you how incredibly happy i am to be back here in buffalo with all of you. >> reporter: the brooklyn-born sanders paid a visit to his childhood home. >> i spent the first 18 years of my life in apartment 2c here. >> reporter: thursday bill
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clinton's fiery exchange with black lives matter. >> you are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. tell the truth. >> reporter: today the former president trying to move beyond his comments during a campaign stop in erie, pennsylvania. >> i did something yesterday in philadelphia. i almost want to apologize for it but i want to use it as an example of the danger threatening our country. we all have different experiences. we cannot learn anything unless we listen. >> reporter: back in new york where sanders hopes to maintain his momentum after a string of recent victories. his campaign says it is making plans for an open convention. >> we're beginning to work on that. in all likelihood there will be an open convention. >> reporter: sanders will visit vatican city just four days before the crucial new york primary. he said while there are areas high ahe and pope francis disagree, he's a big fan. >> people think bernie sanders is radical.
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read what the pope is reading. >> reporter: hillary clinton will be speaking here in new york. earlier she was in buffalo. earlier to show the fight for new york much bigger than new york city. >> upstate new york critically important. thank you. both hillary clinton and senator bernie sanders will be at cnn's state of the union this sunday with jake tapper. be sure to watch saturday morning, 9:00 a.m. eastern. and thursday night, don't forget, 9:00 p.m. eastern for the democratic presidential candidate's debate live from brooklyn. this debate comes only days before the critical new york primary. coming up next, fresh searches under way after the capture two of major suspects linked to the attacks in brussels massacres. could one of them be the so-called man in the hat shown on surveillance video before and after the airport bombing?
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happening now -- breaking news. captured. one of the most wanted terrorist suspects in custody. is he the mysterious man in the hat? his escape from the brussels airport bombing was caught on video. police are conducting new searches amid fears isis may accelerate plans for another bombing. i'll ask a top member of the senate intelligence committee what he's learning. where is trump? the republican front-runner is out of sight, uncharacterista l uncharacteristalaluncharacterily quiet today. and turf war. the democrats try to one up each other with their new york connections while distancing
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themselves from a public brawl that might hurt their party. will there be bad blood when they debate in brooklyn next week? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." this is cnn breaking news. >> let's get right to the breaking news this hour. more searches under way after the arrest of a fugitive terrorist suspect. a couple of them with ties to the paris and brussels attacks. among those captured, mohamed abrini, alleged to be a pivotal figure in the terror cell that's caused mass carnage in europe and is believed to be plotting new attacks. prosecutorsre trying to determine if abrini is the so-called man in the hat. the third brussels airport attacker who survived the bombing and fled the scene. we're also following major new developments in the presidential race in the united states, including new details on donald
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trump's strategy to win delegates and overcoming a series of new setbacks. senator mark warner of virginia, a key member of the intelligence committee is standing by live, along with our correspondents, analysts and newsmakers. up first, our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto with more on the terror arrests. >> we know that both of these men are central, not peripheral to the deadliest terror attacks in europe over the last decade in paris and more recently in brussels. abrini driving one of the lead paris terrorists to and from the deadly rampage there. the key question, is he the same man seen with the brussels attackers before they struck again? this is the moment belgian police arrest one of the most wanted terrorists in europe. mohamed abrini with ties to several of the paris attackers captured in brussels today. abrini has multiple connections to the deadliest terror attack in europe in more than a decade.
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>> it's quite significant because he is one of the last people they found who played a critical role in the paris attacks. also appears to have played a critical role in the brussels attacks. links these two cells together. >> abrini was caught driving salah abdeslam, one of the lead paris terrorists to the french capital who days before the attacks. the car seen at this gas station is the same vehicle used to franz port some of the terrorists that deadly night. abrini also rented an apartment where two of the paris attackers stayed. and after the paris rampage, he returned to belgium with abdeslam before both disappeared. >> if he doesn't talk, what is in his computers, his cell phones, in the papers found at the place he was arrested. the pocket litter he's carrying. analyze that very quickly. >> reporter: the question is whether abrini is the man in the hat seen at the brussels airport before he escaped on foot. just yesterday, police released a series of surveillance videos
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tracking his movements. >> investigators are verifying whether abrini muhammad can be positively identified as being the third person present during the attacks in brussels international airport, the so-called man with the hat. >> reporter: also arrested today, osama krayem. they are trying to determine if he's the man seen in a brussels metro station with the suicide bomber khalid el bakraoui before he detonated his explosives killing 14 and wounding 90. they believe krayem also bought the bags that held the explosive devices used in the airport attack. police reportedly found the dna of abrini and krayem at the apartment in schaerbeek where the brussels attackers built their bombs. >> what they've got to do is widen the investigation, widen the intelligence gathering and make sure the intelligence goes well beyond belgium and france.
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>> reporter: the immediate focus now for european police is uncovering the rest of this vast terror network and crucially preventing new attacks. the brussels attacks followed the arrest of salah abdeslam. just three days later the concern now is the terrorists might act fearing that they'll soon be discovered. >> that is a serious fear. jim sciutto, thanks very much. let's bring in our justice correspondent pamela brown. she's working her sources. what are they saying? how significant are today's arrests? >> they're certainly significant, particularly with abrini. he's someone authorities have been searching for since the terrorist attacks. these are key players taken off the chess board. officials i've been speaking to say there are still a lot of other people in europe connected to this network and the concern is that these people, these isis terrorists, are plotting multiple attacks as we speak. so, in fact, the threat level is the same as it was before these arrests, according to one official i spoke to. the big concern is in the wake
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of this arrest, these arrests today, that anyone planning attacks would accelerate those plans out of concern that intelligence officials will track them down. we saw that after the arrest of salah abdeslam. >> a few days later, that's what happened. we're showing live pictures. there are raids under way in brussels right now. that's what we're showing these live images coming in. it's after midnight in brussels right now. we'll see what develops. we're expecting some major news. what about mohamed abrini. some suspicion he is actually that guy in the hat with the white jacket who had that luggage cart at the airport. >> from the very beginning, wolf, intelligence officials suspected he could be because of his ties to abdeslam and the man in the video is incognito and abrini would have an incentive to be in disguise since his pictures have been plastered everywhere. in addition to that, there's been additional intelligence gathered, indication that he could be the man in white just establishing the network of these people, backtracking, process of elimination, ruling
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people out. through that process, they've been able to hone in more on him. i'm told there were two other people officials thought were the man in white, turned out they weren't. officials are still cautious until they have that definitive proof that in fact it is. >> pamela, thanks. joining us, senator mark warner, democrat of virginia. thanks for joining us. what about mohamed abrini? he was the subject of a massive manhunt since the paris attacks back in november. why do you think it took so long to capture him? >> wolf, first of all, let's recognize the fact it does look like the belgian authorities have taken down two more members of this terrorist ring. that's a step in the right direction. but i think it also lays out the fact there's still not a level of information sharing both internally within each of these european countries and between countries. unfortunately, it took us in our
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country 9/11 before we had the law enforcement and intel agencies cooperate. it took the 7/07 event in the uk. it's taken these two awful events, charlie hebdo and the shootings. we were in france on the day of the brussels attacks and the french clearly had much better coordination now. they were -- there was real concern about the belgians. there's silos between law enforcement, between external and internal services, and my fear is will it take these kind of incidents in each country before they in effect get religion about how serious this to take down and share this information. >> they have a lot of work to do over there. mohamed abrini was one of europe's most wanted individual. what will his arrest mean potentially for helping to stop other terror attacks that may be in the works? >> i think as your reporters indicated, this is a right step
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in terms of he was -- -- appears to be a major plotter. will this also signal to other plotters they should go ahead and act. we've got to deal with this immediate cell. at the same time, continue to put pressure on turkey or a lot of these individuals come in and out of the war zone and can travel freely once they get through turkey into the eu. we've got to continue in america to beef up our protections around our visa waiver program. we've just got to make sure that the european law enforcement and intel services do a better job of sharing. it would be as if in america, new york wouldn't share with new jersey and wouldn't share with virginia and they each had a separate fbi and cia. that in effect is what's the makeup of the services in europe. >> even within countries it's like that in belgium. some districts in belgium don't share information with other districts in belgium. they speak different languages. they speak french, flemish.
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they have a problem there. are there other plotters at large, plotters who were involved in the belgium attacks still at large? >> i have not been briefed on that specific cell and, frankly, i wouldn't share that information if i had it. i do believe from the press reports and others that it is -- the europeans are still very much on edge. there's a recognition as we saw after the paris attack that the subsequent belgian attack. i think at least in europe they ought to go ahead and raise the alert a little further. they need to relay to their security services and make sure that they share this information. as has been pointed out now, some of the attackers in belgium were actually made aware, the belgian authorities were made aware of these individuals but didn't follow up in a timely manner. >> as you know, another one of these paris attackers, salah
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abdeslam was arrested just four days before the brussels airport/metro attacks. how concerned are you that abrini's arrest could trigger another terrorist because you're suggesting raise the alert right now. >> i'm saying within the european countries there's -- i think we are at appropriate level of vigilance for what we know in terms of threat level. i do think the europeans, this is as much -- not so much necessarily just a threat level as making sure the european political leadership conveys to their security services that's they need to do a better job of sharing this information. they've got to break down the silos and again, this is something quite honestly, prior to 9/11, we had those same silos in america. they had the same silos in uk before 7/07. it took a couple of attacks in france for the french to have a greater level of internal and external cooperation. >> the belgian broadcaster says
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that maumd abrini was possibly the man in the hat sought in connection with the brussels airport attacks. the suspect seen in the surveillance video walking next to two of the other suspected suicide bombers. if that's the case, this would be a major breakthrough in learning a lot more about those brussels attacks, wouldn't it? >> it would be a major breakthrough but as we've seen, we don't know the full extent of this cell. and clearly there are a number of other people that have gone into the war zone in syria and iraq, have come back radicalized, and this is not just a threat in france or belgium. quite honestly, with the challenges in germany, continuing challenges in the balance of europe, again, my greatest fear is we don't have to go through horrible incidents in each of these individual countries before those individual countries decide that further vigilance and resources in terms of tracking these
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terrorists and further cooperation internally and externally. god forbid we don't have to have these events before other countries step up. >> senator mark warner of virginia, thanks for joining us. for more on what you can do to help the victims of the brussels terrorist attacks go to cnn.com/impact, and you will impact your world. more on the terror arrests coming in. also what's going on behind closed doors of the trump campaign right now at the gop front-runner stays put in new york before the primary. what's going to? we'll tell you. and the shifting tone in the democratic presidential race. can bernie sanders and hillary clinton put an ugly new brawl behind them? whewhat does it look like?ss, is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student?
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together, we're building a better california. we're following breaking news. a new hunt for terrorists in europe after police captured suspects linked to the paris and brussels terror attacks. there are fears tonight the arrests could trigger the new attacks. stand by for more on that. we're getting more information. right now i want to turn to the presidential race here in the united states. we're learning more about the trump campaign's intensifying fight to win all those important delegates on a day when the front-runner suffered some new losses to ted cruz. let's go to our senior white house correspondent jim acosta. all of a sudden, today we heard from the new convention adviser for the trump campaign, jim. >> that's right, wolf. it is a new day for the trump campaign in that regard. donald trump is still laying low
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back in new york. but not ted cruz. he's out west to meet with potential donors in las vegas before he appears at a republican state convention in colorado tomorrow. the only candidate to do so. it's part of this intense new phase of the campaign, the delegate fight. inside trump world, it's a new day in the gop delegate battle. and donald trump's new general in charge of racking up the magic number needed to clinch the nomination is predicting victory. >> it will be apparent to the world that trump is over the 1,237 number. and at that point in time when it is apparent, everything is going to come together. >> paul manafort told cnn's chris cuomo he's now revamping the gop front-runner's delegate war plans. it's a new power sharing respect manafort says with corey lewandowski. >> this san example of donald trump managing and the leadership he'll bring to the presidency after november. campaigns have different phases. >> reporter: while manafort
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pushed back on the notion lewandowski is being sidelined after a string of campaign setbacks, he made it clear he answers only to trump. >> i listen to everybody but i have one man whose voice is louder than everybody else. >> reporter: manafort's rise comes as a crucial time as ted cruz is implementing his own delegate battle. cruz is scheduled to visit colorado where republicans are holding their own convention to select delegates. cruz picked up more delegates there today. >> the cruz campaign has been successful in colorado because we started earlier. we identified more of the grassroots supporters. i don't think the other campaigns took this process seriously early enough. >> reporter: it's a trip trump decided against in the hopes of a landslide over cruz in the new york primary. trump was apparently working out of the office today saying in a tweet, so great to be in new york catching up on many things. remember, i'm still running a major business while i campaign, and loving it.
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>> we have a clear path forward to get to 1,237 delegates. it's difficult. we've got to win, and we've got to win consistently. >> reporter: cruz told dana bash he's laughing off the r-rated welcome he's receiving in new york. >> i laughed out loud. i've never been popular with left wing journalists or tabloids. >> reporter: lagging behind in the delegate fight, john kasich is making the case he won't be dead on arrival at the gop convention. >> ted cruz can't win the nomination outright. and he can't defeat hillary clinton either. >> reporter: with a tough new ad, kasich argues he still has the best shot of defeating hillary clinton and is warning voters trump's make america great again message is a general election disaster. >> we're not winning. we are still the strongest country by far in the entire world and people ought to stop whining about america. >> reporter: now as for ted cruz, he's courting some big
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donors here in las vegas. he'll address a republican jewish group tomorrow. and after some down time, trump gets back on the campaign trail on sunday. he'll be appearing in rochester, new york. and the trump campaign tells me that it's not just about new york when he's in that state. they say that that kind of campaigning in new york state gets exposure across the northeast. all of those states are coming up very soon. >> week after new york, there's pennsylvania, new jersey, connecticut, a whole bunch of other states as well. thanks very much for that, jim acosta. joining us now is a prominent trump supporter in new york state. congressman chris collins. how likely is it this primary season will end in a contested convention in cleveland? >> well, you know, wolf, none of us know for sure where we're headed. but i do know mr. trump on april 19th is going to win, if not all of the delegates in new york,
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pretty much all of them. his support here is just through the roof. pick up 95 delegates here. he's going to do extraordinarily well in pennsylvania, new jersey. he does have a road to 1,237. it's going to be a tough road. but, you know, i think right now he's got the team put together. he's made a few changes. i think he's pivoting, if you will, to making sure he does get to 1,237. only time will tell. >> in order to get all 95 delegates in new york state, he's got to get more than 50%. plus, he's got to win in every congressional district. what i hear you saying, you think that's doable? >> oh, there's no question it's doable. you know, some of the other statements the other candidates have made does not exactly endear them to new yorkers. we tend to be a group of pretty independent minded individuals, and, you don't like it when someone takes a backhanded slap at you. but i'd say he has a very, very good chance to win all 27
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districts. >> if he got 50%, plus one, he'd be at 95 delegates or stronger. mr. trump has hired a veteran political strategist, paul manafort to run his delegate strategy. is the trump campaign moving toward a more traditional campaign model? >> yeah, i -- wolf, i do think you're seeing a transition. you're going to see mr. trump more focused, i also believe on a general election strategy and taking on who we believe the opponent will be in hillary clinton. so, yeah, these are the growing pains of a new candidate and i think these are all very positive moves, putting an emphasis where it needs to be right now which is the delegate fight, potential floor fight as the rules have now been explained by the rnc. it's a very natural extension of the trump campaign as he continues to get more and more delegates, another 95 coming next tuesday. we're hopeful in new york.
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and just keep piling on. >> a big rally out in long island. bethpage, long island. he's also busy running a major business. what is the strategy here? why is he relatively silent on these critical days leading up to new york? >> well, the excitement here, frankly, i know my phone is ringing off the hook. i'm getting e-mails from everyone. help you get a better ticket to the rally on the 17th. we believe we may well sell out harbor center. there's 18,000 people. that's where the hockey team, the buffalo sabres play. mr. trump doesn't need to do much of anything. the enthusiasm here is genuine. it's over the top. people are excited to have him coming to rochester in a couple of days. and for the big, big rally in buffalo on the 17th. the excitement is like stanley cup final excitement, wolf. i think you know what i mean. >> i certainly do. they love the sabres and the
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bills for that matter in buffalo. i know that very, very well. how is the ted cruz comment going after so-called new york values? i understand how it's playing in new york city. but how is it playing upstate in buffalo, rochester, syracuse, places like that? >> well, you mentioned it, not me, wolf, and i just don't see the support there for the other candidates. this is trump country whether it's the signs, and it's not just republicans. it's democrats. it's independents. we have a closed primary here. so not an open primary like you've seen other places. if this was an open primary, you know, trump's support would even be significantly more than it is. but even within the closed primary, only republicans voting in the republican primary. he's got the support of and endorsement of most of the county shares, the 62 counties. he's got the endorsement of the full committee.
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we're the largest upstate county in new york. and there's a saying. you don't win new york without winning erie county. and donald trump, and that's why he's got his emphasis here. it's also why you're seeing the emphasis put out by bernie sanders and hillary clinton. it all comes down to buffalo and erie county. >> my hometown. great place indeed. thanks, congressman, for coming in. >> happy to be with you, wolf. donald trump will join anderson cooper this tuesday night for a cnn town hall, 9:00 p.m. eastern. just ahead y ted cruz's fellow senators can't bring themselves to endorse him. at least most of them. bill clinton almost apologizes for getting mad at black lives matter protesters. is he a liability for his wife's campaign right now? much more coming up. le lamb. one of millions of orders on this company's servers. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the
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we heard today from donald trump's top delegate hunter. he said he only answers to one boss. that would be donald trump himself. let's talk about the republican race for the white house. joining us, sara murray, cnn politics executive editor mark preston, peter beinart and rebecca berg, the national political reporter for real clear politics. you heard paul manafort say that, yes, corey lewandowski is the campaign manager, but he,
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manafort, reports directly to donald trump. >> i think that's an important message that he's sending to washington insiders that he's in control of trying to get donald trump to 1,237 delegates that's needed to win the nomination. paul manafort well known within republican circles. very known here in washington, d.c. had he looked subservient to lewandowski, i don't think that would make him effective. >> rebecca, you wrote an article saying these other republican senators are very reluctant to get in there and endorse ted cruz. he's got two, maybe three supporters so far that have publicly said they'll support him. what's the problem here? >> so reluctant is maybe a generous word to use in this case. they all genuinely deeply dislike ted cruz. even with trump surging and on his way to potentially winning the republican nomination or being in a strong position in open convention, the senators dislike ted cruz so much they can't bring themselves even in the face of trump to support
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him. your interview with senator rich the other day illustrated that perfectly because he admitted ted cruz is really the best candidate that remains for republicans who don't want trump to win the nomination but he couldn't call that endorsement even as he said he hopes tom cruz wins the nomination. it's an amazing dynamic and unprecedented. >> some republican senators really don't like donald trump but they don't like ted cruz even more than they don't like donald trump. that's a problem they have. peter, trump's campaign canceled some trips to california, to colorado. he's staying in new york. there's an issue, though. he hasn't been seen yesterday or today. a big rally wednesday night. what do you think is going on over here as he has sort of been invisible for the last two days. >> it's very strange for a candidate who has built his entire campaign on dominating the media landscape. a lot of people thought that
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after wisconsin, he would do something big and high profile. maybe controversial as he has in the past to basically get everyone talking about him. he hasn't done that. it's not entirely clear why. in some ways, donald trump is unconventional politician. very unconventional. maybe he felt like he needed to do work on his business. there's been a lot of internal churning in the trump campaign. maybe we're seeing the beginning of a somewhat different style. maybe paul manafort is going to change the nature of the trump campaign. how much donald trump can really be kroeld is another question. but it seems like they're trying to do something different. >> sara, you've been covering the trump campaign for months and months. you heard paul manafort tell chris cuomo this morning on "new day" they'll have the 1,237, the magic number of delegates by california, june 7th, or so. what's their plan to reach that magic number by california? >> as you might imagine they aren't laying out their entire strategy but i think the fact
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they are going so big in new york. you talk to members of his campaign here, they do want to win every single delegate or come as close as possible. and looking ahead, they are looking to places like pennsylvania where a number of these delegates will be unbound. there's been a struggle for trump so far. they feel they can do well and they'll be making an aggressive push there. they feel they'll do well in these mid-atlantic states coming up april 26th. the question is, can you do well enough that you really just need to scrape up a little bit in california and make it to cleveland with all of the delegates you need. i think it's a very narrow path for them and that is why you're seeing them buckle down and bring in someone like paul manafort. we talk about him as the convention manager. we're not just talking about him being behind the scenes and working on the state conventions and planning for a second ballot. they are planning for the primaries ahead to get as many delegates as possible to show up in cleveland with donald trump as the nominee. >> they don't want to reach a second or third ballot. they want to do it on a first
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rhetoric here. at least publicly by the two candidates themselves. behind the scenes inside the campaigns, i can tell you still so contentious. bernie sanders is planning to take this all the way to the convention. a contested convention. the clinton campaign knows there's one way to stop this. that's win big here in new york. tonight an apparent cease-fire in the heated democratic presidential race. bernie sanders backing down after repeatedly saying hillary clinton is not qualified to be president. >> does she have the experience? obviously she does. she was secretary of state, a u.s. senator. i thought an outstanding first lady in many respects, breaking the mold. >> reporter: the war of words cooling for a moment. >> do youbl he's qualified to be president? >> yes. i would take him over donald trump or ted cruz any day. >> reporter: but the race remains highly contentious. >> you may have heard senator sanders say i'm unqualified to be president. well, seriously --
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seriously, i have been called a lot of things over the years, but unqualified has not been one of them. >> reporter: it's a bitter fight for the new york primary. >> thank you, south bronx! >> reporter: with both sides staking out their own turf. visiting buffalo today, clinton took a page out of the playbook from her two senate wins here. >> i'm so excited to be here and to see the extraordinary achievements of this community. >> reporter: sanders went home to brooklyn to the streets of his childhood reminding voters he's a new yorker by blood. >> i spent the first 18 years of my life in apartment 2c right here. >> reporter: the race for the white house has taken a decidedly local turn with the nerve centers of both campaigns in brooklyn. each campaign taking on the style of its candidate. inside the sanders office, supporters are trying to channel his momentum into a new york upset. >> every state we've been told
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what we can't do and we continue to defy the odds and win. >> reporter: at clinton headquarters, a far larger team is trying to protect her front-runner status. >> i'm calling hoping we have your support for hillary clinton. >> reporter: sanders campaign manager jeff weaver said his team is gearing up for a convention floor fight. >> many people who have floor experience in the democratic party. so we're looking at all of our options. >> reporter: but robby mook dismissed that possible ut. >> the stakes are so high here for democrats, for americans, that senator sanders will believe in the importance of bringing this party together and making sure the white house stays in democratic hands. >> reporter: on the campaign trail in pennsylvania, former president bill clinton sought to move beyond his heated exchange with protesters on thursday whom he tangled with for 15 minutes. >> it bothers me when that happens. so i did something yesterday in philadelphia. i almost want to apologize for
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it. >> reporter: a short time ago tonight in erie, pennsylvania, bill clinton was asked if he believes gender played a role in senator sanders' questioning the qualifications of hillary clinton. listen to what he said. >> yes, i think there's some different standards. some of them are subconscious. >> reporter: so there you have that playing out. and one other side note, wolf, the campaign from new york is on here in full, but bernie sanders is taking a detour next week to go to the vatican to speak tune economic conference there with pope francis. certainly not a bad way to reach out to catholic voters here in new york as well. >> you're absolutely right. jeff, thank you very much. peter, let's talk about bill clinton's almost apology today. he said he went too far with that angry exchange with those protesters from black live matter. you just heard him say what he had to say. how is this going to play out? >> i think the clinton campaign
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would like to get this controversy over with them as quickly as possible. remember, the main stay of hillary clinton's support in this presidential race has been african-americans. it's their support among african-americans that is a critical difference because bernie sanders in many states has won white voters. not all african-americans are going to -- black lives matter about everything. but hillary clinton made it clear she was going to make opposition to mass incarceration an element of her campaign. he defended the tough on crime policies of his administration back in the 1990s. i think it's an interesting intellectual debate to be had inside the democratic party but not one that hillary clinton wants to be having right now. >> and you heard, rebecca, what bill clinton said about whether the attacks against hillary clinton from bernie sanders, that she's not necessarily qualified to be president, that there may have been some subconscious issue there, different standard for her because she's a woman.
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what did you think of that? >> a very diplomatic way of phrasing it for bill clinton saying it was subconscious. bill clinton and certainly hillary clinton don't want to be in a place where they are calling bernie sanders sexist. that doesn't do their campaign any favors. and it certainly won't help them winning over his supporters later when they are trying to unite this party if she wins the nomination. certainly you hear a lot of hillary clinton's supporters coming out and using the word sexist with bernie sanders calling her unqualified. and i think this is something we're going to hear about in the debate next week. >> bernie sanders launched an attack on general electric claiming the company in his words, was destroying the moral fabric of the country. i want you to listen to what he told -- bernie sanders told in that interview with the new york daily news editorial board. >> general electric was created in this current by american workers and american
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plants in this country. sending jobs to low-wage countries. >> now, our cnn reality check tv they have been looking into that. tell us what they found. >> well, wolf, our cnn money analysis found that the gdp has shrunk in the past few decades, ge's 220,000 employees were in the u.s. refusal, by 2005, it e declined by 20%. it was increased to 330,000 people but it employs fewer american workers today, 125,000, versus 161,000 in 2005. ge's factories tell a similar story, the expansion has happened overseas, the majority, more than a decade ago, but the
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number of factors overseas has risen by 58, today, 59% of ge's plants are on fortune soil. the verdict, we rate true in this statement, wolf. >> thank you. and sarah to you, i just want to get your thought on the turmoil, the fighting that is going on, on the democratic side right now. do you think it is going to continue or will there be the cease-fire? >> well, wolf, i think you will definitely see some of this contrast because as you can see hillary clinton wants to wrap it up. and bernie sanders, we've seen how nasty it has become. we have to look at the voters on the democratic side, what they want, that has similarities to the republican side as well. and the base is unhappy, when they elect someone, and they think things will be different, it is why you're seeing the
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surge for the support for bernie sanders. it has clearly been much tougher for hillary clinton to move beyond that, than she expected. >> and ju-- announcing a trip t vatican city, and days before the new york primary. i assume he believes this visit to vatican city will give him a boost with voters in new york. >> it's a fascinating example of the way this new pope has reshaped american politics. now, you have a pope for whatever reason or another basically giving, helping the political candidacy of a secular socialist running. and you think about the former pope, thinking more about cultural and social issues, this would have been more inconceivable. we've seen it affect the public in really interest ways.
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also getting osama krayem. these were two important individuals in the attack, they were regarded by the european officials before today as the two most dangerous men in europe. the two they most wanted to get. and 24 hours after belgium police released the footage of the so-called third attacker in europe, clearly there was a breakthrough. and now they have both of these men in custody. these men will not be able to launch follow-on attacks. the worry, wolf, though, there are others connected to this group. and we understand they believe there are more than a dozen others still at large connected to this group who may in the future carry out attacks. and of course, it was three weeks ago today, i should say, on a friday, when they capture
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abdeslam. so the worry this time around is that it could happen again. the others could feel that the dragnet is coming down on them and could proceed with attacks. so that is why the continuing searches are going on right now across brussels. multiple operations going on, trying to obtain intelligence they have obtained from these arrests and all the other investigations they're doing, wolf. >> clearly, they're under a high state of alert. and the reports show that abrini may have been the man in a hat sought in connection with the brussels attack, what do you hear from your sources? >> reporter: wolf, in terms of the press conference today from the belgian prosecutor, they said they were investigating whether this was abrini at the airport. they wanted to determine that for sure. i think reading between the lines they have something which
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makes them suspect this is abrini, but they do not have that knowledge for sure at this point. they also used similar language when it came to osama krayem, when they said they're investigating whether he was the second guy seen at the brussels metro. they wanted to verify that. i think there is clearly some intelligence suggesting that that may be the case. but they're not going to make any announcement before they're actually sure. >> we heard senator mark warner tell me earlier, he is on the intelligence committee, he believes belgium should raise their alert level, what do you think? >> reporter: well, it's already high. and the only place it could go is the highest level and that clearly is a decision which may be a point by the threat center in belgium, which is responsible for all of this. but that is only meant to ratchet it up to level four. if there is fear, you cannot
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have the level at four continuously. and that is why they lowered it back down to three. if they get that intelligence they will raise it. >> thank you, paul, we'll obviously stay on top of this story. that is it for me. thank you for joining us. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. up next, the fallout over whether hillary clinton is qualified to be president as bill clinton suggests, the question is there. and why sanders says donald trump is destroying the moral fastba fabric of america, what is going on? good evening, i'm erin burnett "outfront" tonight. campaigning in buffalo da

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