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attackers, never mind all the people with whom they were working. set your dvr to record "outfront" and our show on cnn international on saturday and sunday this weekend. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. there's a lot happening tonight including breaking news. anti-terror operations under way right now in belgium. authories going house to house after the arrest of this man caught on amateur video. now the question right now, is the man on the sidewalk also the man in the hat caught by security camera pushing a baggage cart through brussels airport along with two other suicide bombers. we begin with breaking news from the campaign trail and a possible break in the truce that seemed to be developing today between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. just hours after reversing his charge that hillary clinton is not qual feud to be president, just hours after saying, of course hillary clinton is qualified, he sat down with jake tapper and seemed to be back on the attack. >> i just want them to understand that, you know, we have tried to run an issue
oriented campaign but we'll not be attacked every single day. our record not going to be distorted. we are going to fight back. and what i said is that a candidate like secretary clinton, who voted for the disastrous war in iraq, who has supported virtually every disastrous trade agreement which has coast us millions of decent paying jobs and who receives incredible amounts of money -- tens of millions of dollars through our superpac -- from every special interest you can think of from the billionaire class. i have my doubts about what kind of president she'd make. >> jeff zeleny is in brooklyn. the tone seems to have shifted from what we were hearing yesterday. >> without question, anderson. you heard right there in his interview with jake that senator sanders is trying to turn this back to issues. going through a laundry list of specific issues he disagrees with her on and his supporters do as well.
for these last several months when you ask senator sanders how far are you willing to sort of go in attacking and raising questions, he always says he's going to try and focus on the issues. he acknowledges that's saying that she's not qualified was probably a mistake. but he is, i'm told, going to try to pivot back to specific issues that he believes she is not aligned with. the progressive movement here. that's the distinction here. but we've seen this back and forth that clinton campaign certainly realized there's no upside for them into saying he's not specifically qualified to be president. that was their sort of line a couple of days ago. they're backing off from that because they still want to win over those sanders voters at the end of all of this should she become the nominee. that's still the pot of gold out there they need to hold on to. >> sanders announced he's going to speak at the vatican conference late next week. what more do we know about it? >> we know he was invited by the vatican and he'll be speaking at
this economic and social justice conference. you may wonder why a presidential candidate would be leaving the united states four days before the new york primary to attend a conference at the vatican. he simply is -- a, excited to be invited but it elevates him in a sense he does not have as much foreign policy experience or credentials as his rival, obviously. this allows him to be on a bigger stage here. but i asked one of his advisers tonight, are you worried at all this will take him out of new york? he said senator sanders will be out of new york for 24 hours. that's much less than hillary clinton who is flying to california next weekend to raise money with george clooney. so they believe this is a good thing for him. and he'll be campaigning throughout this weekend and all next week. the next 11 days are critical in this campaign. if he can do well here in new york, the race will go on. if the clinton campaign wins big here, the math makes it so, so, so hard for senator sanders. >> jeff zeleny, thanks.
bill clinton tried to mend fences today after squaring off yesterday with black lives matter protesters in philadelphia. >> now, i like and believe in protests. i'd be a hypocrite if i didn't because i engaged in some when i was a kid. but i never thought i should drown anybody else out. and i confess, maybe it's just a sign of old age, but it bothers me now that it happens. so i did something yesterday in philadelphia. i almost want to apologize for it but i want to use it as an example of the danger threatening our country. >> the confrontation which he almost but did not apologize for concerned the 1994 crime bill he signed as president and comments by the first lady referring to young violent african-american offenders as superpredators.
a long story short, the threat never developed. secretary clinton is paying the political price for buying into it and her husband is defending her and himself loudly. >> i don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out on to the street to murder other african-american children. maybe you thought they were good citizens. she didn't. she didn't. you are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. >> that exchange led some pundits to call for secretary clinton to fire her husband from the campaign trail. whether or not that actually happened, michelle kosinski has more. >> reporter: bill clinton losing his trademark cool. >> that's not true. >> reporter: and it's not the first time he's made headlines on this trail. just two weeks ago, stumping for hillary --
>> if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe we've finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us -- >> reporter: awful legacy of president obama? problematic to the point that hillary clinton addressed it on "jimmy kimmel." >> we are both very proud supporters of president obama. president obama who i think doesn't get the credit he deserves for getting as much done as he has in our country. >> reporter: recently the president admitted it's a difficult position he finds himself in. >> the hotter this election gets, the more i wish i was just a former president and not the spouse of the next one. because, you know, i have to be careful what i say. >> reporter: and then days later, raised eyebrows by saying -- >> we are all mixed race people. >> reporter: but it also happened in '08 when hillary was running against then senator obama. president clinton attacked obama saying a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us
coffee. he tried to say that obama who voted against the war in iraq and hillary clinton who voted for it essentially felt the same way over time. >> give me a break. this whole thing is the biggest fairy tale i've ever seen. >> reporter: could bill clinton be something of a liability for hillary? it's definitely been suggested. his personal life has come up. she's faced uncomfortable questions. and some of his policies as president on wall street, crime, gays in the military, they are a stark contrast to hillary's biggest threat, bernie sanders. who has both defended hillary and blasted both of them. >> look, hillary clinton is not bill clinton. what bill clinton did, i think we can all acknowledge was totally, totally disgraceful and unacceptable. but i am running against hillary clinton. i'm not running against bill clinton. >> reporter: a former hillary
communications director said the trail is tough. and even the people most known for communicating, not always at their best under such scrutiny and constraint. michelle kosinski, cnn, the white house. >> joining us now to talk about that and the breaking news and the sort of, kind of maybe temporary truce, political commentator maria cardona, jonathan tacini, the author of the essential bernie sanders, and democratic party official donna brazile and john king, anchor of "inside politics." it seemed like we saw the old bill clinton on the campaign trail. but it also is a sign of -- or is it a sign of potential liabilities that come along with them? >> that reminded some of a moment with a confrontation in the 1992 campaign when they
thought he was trying to make the point to stand up to an african-american who was trying to make a point. i have no idea what his calculation was. he wanted to defend his record. even though he said he overshot the mark with the 1994 crime bill. if you covered the issue at the time, he thought he was doing the right thing. a lot of the pressure to act came from the african-american community. he wanted to defend himself and his wife in the face of those protesters. he has a temper. trust me. i've been on the receiving end of that temper. we can have a conversation given the moment for her is that what he should be doing as a surrogate for her given that she needs african-american votes in new york. the younger african-american votes is where bernie sanders has been trying to make progress. and after new york, you get maryland, pennsylvania, delaware. three nor states where she needs african-american turn out. does she want this conversation right now? i suspect not. >> for bernie sanders who had run-ins with black lives matter
protesters early on. hillary clinton has as well. but this sort of does give some perhaps ammunition to sanders -- to folks who may be thinking about leaving clinton and going to sanders, particularly young people. >> i would hope that it would not give anyone ammunition to do anything differently than what they would have done, say, two days ago. look, bill clinton -- i've been on the receiving end of both his passion, but also -- >> the up side and the -- >> but also the fact is bill clinton was a really good president. and i will stand by bill clinton. i will stand by some of the difficult decisions that bill clinton had to make as president. they were not easy decisions. the 1980s were horrible, tough for democrats, tough for progressives. tough for liberals. there's no questions that's liberals and progressives fought with the mod rat and conservative wing of our party to try to mediate some of these crises and to make sure that we would come up with good common sense laws. the black lives matter movement,
these are young people that many americans have embraced because they are tired of seeing their fellow colleagues, their citizens, their brothers and sisters died in the streets. this is a very, very interesting time to have this conversation. >> does he benefit on the campaign trail, bill clinton? >> when hillary announced, bill clinton was at 60%. now at 5 8%? is he an asset? ask president obama. >> how does senator sanders go from, she's unqualified to, of course she's qualified to, well, maybe i'm not so sure. >> can i make a xhoent about bill clinton, though. this is typical bill clinton. he does not like criticism of his record. he's partly defending hillary clinton. when we progressives have criticized him for pushing through nafta, criticized him for basically carrying the water for robert rubin and the glass/steagall act, refused to help unions replace the strike replacement --
>> gays in the military. >> the fact that the economy he oversaw, yes, created a lot of jobs but really built on a credit bubble which then blew up. bill clinton does not like to hear that criticism. it's indicative of the debate going on now. we, bernie sanders, and the precinctive movement, the political revolution, want to overturn the establishment politics that bill clinton and hillary clinton represent. to your point about the question about qualifications. look, let's kind of separate the two things. they both have resumes. and both of them have done lots of things in government service. but i think the debate that bernie wants to go back to, which he did from the begipping was, how do we differ baseod judgment, principles and how we'd lead the country. as you saw in the lead-up piece it was legitimate and he should continue to criticize hillary clinton's vote for the iraq war, her trust in george bush, donald rumsfeld and dick cheney. >> if he's asked directly again,
is she qualified -- >> he should say, i want to address the issues. and i would like to make the argument that she should not be president because of her vote for the immoral iraq war, which was one of the worst foreign policy decisions that was made in the last two decades. i think that's a fair debate. she can come back and make the argument. but to basically focus on the issues. the iraq war, health care, her $225,000 fee to speak for goldman sachs. >> maria, do you think that was below the belt? >> i do think it was below the belt. he realized it for 24 hours it was below the belt because they started walking it back. it's a silly argument and a dumb tactic. we saw on twitter he got a lot of criticism from his own supporters saying that they were done with him because of it. look, looking at her resume, there is no one who is going to believe she's not qualified to be president. you can talk about the issues. but i think there are some pitfalls there for bernie sanders when he lists all of
those issues for which he believes she's not qualified to be president. then i think the follow-up question should be, do you think president obama is not qualified to be president because every single one of those things are things that president obama has done as well. >> the clintons made the argument in 2008 that he wasn't qualified and made just one or two speeches -- >> they never said that about one another. >> they tried to -- they tried to deal it -- delegitimize him. i want to make the distinction between it's not about the qualifications. it's what your moral principles and judgment are. >> and i think that's why -- >> donna -- >> and that's why secretary clinton, i'm neutral. i haven't taken a position. but i have to some time come to the defense of secretary clinton when there's this undercut of her so-called veracity and her moral judgment when she has made many tough decisions in her life. including the iraq war. but the undercut -- >> that's a fair debate.
>> i'm sorry. >> the debate will go on. but i also believe that senator sanders also has issues that many progressives are very uncomfortable with his record. so -- but this underbelly that somehow she should be disqualified simply because of some impairment of her judgment -- >> in the time we have left, let me ask you -- >> people are uncomfortable with that. >> what do you feel about sanders going to the vatican? >> i'm catholic so -- >> i'm a jew. i've not been to the vatican. >> at this time in the race? >> i think it's a fantastic thing and should say to the american people the wonderful thing about bernie sanders. he wakes up every day trying to think about how to change the world. he's said many things about the pope's positions on greed, inequality, we bow down to the free market. i believe in bernie sanders' heart he's going there because he's thinking, man, can i make the pope stand up and -- >> you don't think politics has anything to help bolster his
credentials? >> i think there's -- i absolutely think there's a political benefit to that, but i don't think that bernie sanders, that's the furstening in his mind. >> maria is going to stick around. maria, jonathan and donna, thank you very much. john, stick around. >> stick around. >> donald trump's new delegate wrangler and his colorful background. why ted cruz is in las vegas. and later where they choose delegates like you probably have never seen before. one part presidential politics. one part kind of speed dating when 360 continues. i'm there for bessie. i'm there for ray. ted loved baseball. dr. phil likes to watch football. renne, who wants sloppy joe on the menu every day. rosie's my best friend.
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welcome back. with a string of big primaries fast approaching and campaign hiring guys specifically to maximize his delegate count you'd expect donald trump to be campaigning big time today. instead no campaign appearances, tweeting so great to be in new york catching up on many things. remember, i'm still running a major business while a campaign and loving it. tuesday night he'll be here in studio with family members and voters for a" 360" town houlall. it gets under way tuesday at 9:00. his two rivals were campaigning. more on all of it from jim acosta who joins us from las
vegas where ted cruz had a busy day. ted cruz is out west today. he'll be there all weekend. why not in new york? >> the texas senator may want to consider the nickname ted cruz delegate hunter. that's because his quest throughout the campaign has been to go after delegates. he's in las vegas today, as you said, meeting with donors. tomorrow he'll be the only candidate to address the colorado republican state convention. that's is a quirky process that is even more confusing than a caucus. but the cruz campaign has figured it out and cruz could pick up a big sweep there and win all the delegates up for grabs. then cruz comes back to las vegas tomorrow to speak before the republican jewish coalition run by sheldon adelson. that's a speech that conservative jewish voters will be paying attention to back in new york. and some with the group are openly questioning why donald trump is not here. >> why isn't he out on the campaign trail whether it's in
new york or vegas or elsewhere? delegates are what it's all about. >> as you said, trump tweeted he's taking care of business back in the office. he's been meeting behind closed doors, reorganizing his campaign essentially. paul manafort, as we've been talking about over the last couple of days is now the man in charge of trump a battle for delegates and the strategy for the convention. part of a power sharing relationship with trump campaign manager lewandowski and talking to cnn earlier today, manafort pushed back on this notion that lewandowski is being sidelined. but he made it clear he only answers to trump. and manafort also vowed that trump will reach that magic number of 1 12r,237 delegates. he'll be returning to the campaign trail on sunday with a rally in rochester. he's focussed on winning a landslide in new york. and appearing in new york also gets him exposure in other
upcoming northeastern contests like pennsylvania, new jersey and connecticut. >> jim accost athanks. back with john king and mary catherine hamm and kayleigh mcenany, amanda carpenter and kevin madden. amanda is a former top staffer for ted cruz. and kevin madden is a former romney adviser. kayleigh, are you concerned not to have donald trump on the campaign trail? >> he's ahead tremendously in new york by 30 points. he's over the 50% mark. i expect that his support to grow in new york, not to shrink. and, look, i think that paul manafort was right. that he absolutely can get over 1237 before the convention. if he wins in new york and breaches the 50% mark, that's takes him to an 840 delegate count number, if he wins in all of the districts. then in maryland, he's made by 10. pennsylvania, up by 9.
we can say he lost wis wirconsi doomsday for trump. oir look at the map and say he can clinch this. >> why have seen in a lot of states where ted cruz has outma offer toed trump's campaign on the ground in the battle for delegates. >> and that's why trump had to hire a person like paul manafort. manafort is in a job that's destined to fail. it's like trying to repair a car with no engine. he can do all the work he wants. it is not going to drive. trump hasn't built the field operations in the state. >> you are saying it's too late? >> it's too late. trying to start this process. finding the delegates alone is a hard task let alone meeting with them, recruiting them, getting them committed to donald trump. ted cruz has been doing this for a long, long time. one guy isn't going to be able to do that job. >> kevin, do you agree? >> it's late.
there's still an opportunity but it's a much bigger uphill battle. right now what's you are seeing is a contrast in the two campaigns. one of them is working favorable for ted cruz. somebody who keeps raising the stakes, talking about the mission that all of, not only he and his supporters are on to stop donald trump and the way -- in a way that's making an effort to unify so many folks within the party. with donald trump, i don't think concern is the right word but i'd definitely disagree with it. at this point in the campaign, you cannot take a day off. every time you take a day off, that provides ted cruz the opportunity to seize a little bit more momentum. all he needs is enough momentum to breach that goal of stopping hum from getting 1237 on the way to cleveland. >> jim acosta mentioned manafort was on "new day" this morning. let's play a clip from that. >> are you the boss' boss now? >> i work directly for the boss. >> so that's it. you only have one guy you listen to, and it's trump? >> i listen to everybody but i have one man whose voice is
louder than everybody else's. >> mary catherine, is this a positive development for trump or is it too late? >> he sounds louder to me than everybody else, too. i think any team with a quarterback controversy is maybe not the healthiest team. that's what this looks like. i'm not going to say unconventional doesn't work for donald trump because it's worked plenty of times for donald trump like being off the trail today. perhaps it does work. in the past, not showing up has hurt him as it did in iowa at that debate. in this 50% threshold he much the -- wants to hit. he's got to be out there working. >> their calculation, paul manafort's calculation is it's a risk worth taking for a day or two. they think it was too late in colorado. they'd already been outhust elf elfhustled.
he canceled west coast trips. why was donald trump going to places with big stadiums in the south, not focus on your votes. do one thing at a time. get as many of the 95. to get 95 if you can. if you can't, get 75 or 80 to start on his delegate mooath. the other thing is to add more conservative ideas and take out fewer -- have fewer ideas to drive the establishment crazy so that donald trump can try to make the case i'm ready to consolidate the party. will it work? that's what they are trying to do. >> does he then start to make an actual stump speech as opposed to, he takes out his thing and has a couple of poll points on it and then -- >> you never want to see internal power struggles like this litigated out in public. but the big question for the campaign is, is that a sign of a campaign that's coming apart or
is it a sign of a campaign that's in transition and beginning to mature? most folks, even trump supporters would say that this was not a campaign that was very well positioned for a big contested convention fight. and a general election. and that they have to make some big changes internally. the next week will show whether that's been the case or if it's coming apart. >> does it raise a larger question about donald trump's capabilities as a leader? if he is running these amazing businesses, has the organizational skills, if his is the campaign, which seems to be having the biggest problems and the lack of organization, what does that say about his ability? >> it says that's donald trump thought, like all of the american people, that's this should be a process where the popular vote determines the outcome. not a process where it's about courti ining delegates or buyin delegates dinners, flying them places. >> this is the process -- >> this is the process but far be it upon thim him to think the
american people's vote should matter. that's what people said last week in wisconsin and nationally. >> you don't think this says anything about his actual organizational skills and business skills -- if the guy who is supposedly the best business leader is running a campaign which is getting out outmaneuvered by ted cruz -- >> i don't think so. the popular vote is what should count. >> he's just a naive babe in the woods? >> he thought he was going to clinch this. now it's looking moire c ining contested -- >> this is a risky time to start rolling out now policy. to try to do that midcampaign is a difficult proposition. >> the rationale for though campaign from trump has been i hire the best people and this is how i'll run the presidency. doesn't matter that i don't have much experience there. then on iowa and many times
since then, well, my people thought we were going to win and we didn't. that's a problem with the rationale of the candidacy. >> ted cruz going to be in colorado tomorrow. his destination a chaotic scene unfolding. wait follow you see how gop delegates there are chosen. it's fascinating. like the wild west like you've never seen before. also anti-terrorism raids under way in brusselss. we'll go there live.
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considring every single delegate could count in the republican race for the white house, what's happening in colorado is crucial and intrigue league complicated. 37 delegates are up forrabs however, no one is gathering for a caucus or primary. they're listening to quick pitches. some lasting just seconds from hundreds of potential national delegates to decide who will go to the convention in cleveland. randi kaye is in colorado trying to show us how it's playing out. >> reporter: what you are looking at inside this colorado springs hotel is the campaign inside the campaign where wannabe national delegates are making a push to get to the republican national convention. and campaigns are trying to win
their support all behind closed doors. john caldera who has yet to say which candidate he'll support, is one of them. why haven't you pledged yourself to a candidate? >> because i think this year is so fluid and so chaotic, i'm not too sure what's going to happen in cleveland. >> reporter: colorado chose not to hold a caucus or primary this year due to cost. instead it's holding these smaller conventions where delegate candidates are elected to attend the national convention in cleveland. and from what we've seen here, this is a messy process. >> it's a fun, wild, chaotic and wildly disorganized process. >> reporter: here's how that process works. delegate candidates like jon each give a 30-second sales pitch. >> i'm running as an unbound delegate because it will be a wild ride there. >> reporter: then state party members cast their ballot on their delegate choice. in the end, 37 colorado delegates will be sent to cleveland.
with a contested convention a real possibility, an unpledged delegate is a hot commodity. if a presidential candidate can get enough unpledged delegates to pledge allegiance to his side it could literally give him the nomination. so the campaigns are in hot pursuit. >> have you been courted already by the campaigns? >> a million times. i was so tired of robocalls today. i could have croaked. >> reporter: mary dabman was one of 58 at another gathering thursday night. >> running for national delegate. >> reporter: potential unpledged national delegate carl hoops was there, too, expecting to be wood heavily by donald trump's team if elected, noting the campaign's deep pockets. >> what do you think they'll throw your way? >> i don't know. >> a bag of cash? a ride on the trump plane? >> doesn't matter what it is. my vote cannot be bought. that's for sure. >> reporter: back in colorado
springs at the hotel, former new hampshire senator john sununu was there on behalf of john kasich. >> this is about more than that. >> is the wooing and courting okay with you or do you feel pressure? >> i'm a lonely man. i like to be wooed every now and then. >> randi, how did the delegates you were following do it? were any of them elected to the national convention? >> only one of the unpledged delegates we were following will be going to the republican national convention. he's going as an alternate. he told me likely he won't be able to vote. he's simply going for the show as far as the delegate count here, ted cruz has won all of the delegates so far at these smaller conventions except for two alternates. they were elected today and they'll be supporting donald trump. ted cruz, anderson, has a very strong ground game here. his campaign knows what they doorg. they've been recruiting delegate
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breaking news tonight. more raids happening in belgium right now after the arrest of a number of terror suspects, including the one that might be seen in the surveillance video at the brussels airport moments before the deadly attack. the arrests are good news for authorities but no time for a ciph relief. it still has to be concerned
it's the so-called man in the hat you see there. there are concerns it could speed up the timeline for other attacks in the works. our senior international correspondent frederik pleitgen joins us from brussels with the latest. what's the latest on these raids? >> reporter: one of the main raids happened here where i am. it's on this sidewalk here the place nabbed mohamed abrini earlier today. he's implicated in the paris attacks but also in the brussels attacks as well. and what the police are trying to find out whether or not he may have been the man in the hat. what happened afterwards there was a raid on that street over there. throughout the better part of the evening we saw cops in the house over there going in and out. forensic teams as well bringing evidence out trying to find out and corroborate whether or not abrini was the third person at the airport but also whether or not a second man who was arrested whose name is osama krayem, whether or not he may have been implicated in one of
the other bombings here in brussels. so you're absolutely right. the police are saying this is potentially a big coup for them but no reason for them to rest up. >> from what i understand, belgian authorities are still looking for at least a dozen people still that may be at large, potentially connected to these attacks, right? >> that's the number we're getting as well. a dozen -- around a dozen people. not just implicated in the brussels attacks but also potentially in the paris attacks as well. that's one of the things so worrying for authorities. right after the brussels authorities here caught one of their main suspects salah abdeslam, only three days later the brussels attacks happened. the authorities here on the lookout to see whether there are still people who may be connected to the network that conducted the paris attack, brussels attack, people who could potentially still be very, very dangerous as they've shown in the past. >> fred pleitgen, thanks. joining suspaul cruickshank,
author of "my life inside al qaeda and the cia." if abrini is the man in the hat, the third man at the airport, how big of a break would that be for the investigation? >> it would be a huge break in the investigation if abrini was, indeed, the man at the airport, the man with the hat. it's a huge breakthrough anyway because abrini was one of the two most wanted men in europe. the other most wanted man osama krayem was also arrested. the language used by the belgian federal prosecutor tonight was very interesting. saying that they were actively investigating whether the man with the hat at the airport was abrini. they are very, very careful with that language. i don't think they would have said that unless there was something that was leading them in that direction. but they clearly want to be absolutely sure before making that news public. >> it was just yesterday that authorities released new video of this guy. do we know if there was any
connection between that and abrini's arrest today? >> they're being very tight lipped on that for operational reasons. clearly 24 hours later, maybe it's not a coincidence, but i do know they are investigating all sorts of leads based on all sorts of information they are getting the belgian police right now. so it may have been not connected to this cctv release. and after all they had previously been cctv pictures at the airport released of the man there. so not clear on that front but clearly a very big break. today there were five arrests in total. and two very, very key arrests. as fred was saying, the worry now is there could be other people still at large, linked to these attackers. they believe more than a dozen still at large who played some kind of logistical support that may just like when salah abdeslam was arrested before the brussels attacks, accelerate their plans. >> but just incredible to think
that this individual, you know, was involved in the attack in paris, according to authorities, and may have been able to turn around and months later pull off involvement in an attack in brussels. that certainly does not look good for european security forces. >> it doesn't, and it's extraordinary. abrini helped drive the paris attackers in the 48 hours before the attacks from belgium to paris and disappeared into thin air. he returned to brussels. his dna and fingerprints were found in the same hiding place that salah abdeslam was hiding out all those months. he was there. also his fingerprints found in that bomb factory. so he clearly is thought to have played a significant role in these attacks. but both he and salah abdeslam hiding in plain sight in brussels for all these months. hiding in the neighborhoods they grew up in. >> paul cruickshank, thank you. just ahead, my mom, gloria vanderbilt, and i have a new
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you have a whole month's notice. i have a suggestion for a gift. my mom, gloria vanderbilt and i have a book out called "the rainbow comes and goes." it's a conversation i wanted to have with my mom now that she's 92 to get to the heart of what matters to her and what we can still learn about each other before it's too late. it's a conversation i'm encouraging other people to have with their aging parents or anyone they love. i've been talking to her the last couple of nights anden to it's about the ways we are the same and the ways we couldn't be more different. you are the most optimistic person i think i know. >> yes. because i'm determined, you know. i'm determined to do the best i can to make it come out okay. >> you think that the next great love, the next great adventure is right around the corner. >> absolutely. >> even now at 92? >> even now, yes. >> one thing i took away is just how similar we are in ways that i didn't even really realize. i always thought i was probably more similar to daddy and we
looked a lot alike and -- >> that's for sure. >> but the sort of drive that you have, i realize is the same as the drive that i have. it's expressed in different ways. but have you always felt that determination to survive? >> yes, i always wanted to make something of my life. and i wanted to, you know, i think it's called a rage to live. >> that's what you have, a rage to live? >> yes, i always had the rage to live and wanted to make something of my life. and i wanted to -- i've always had, you know, very deep feelings and deep passions and great loves and great sadness and, you know, great joy. but it has been that rage to live. you never lose that if you have it. >> one of the ways we're different. i talked about you being an optimistic. i'm more of a skrcatastrophist.
the title of the book, you used to say, the rainbow comes and goes. what does that mean to you? >> i think it's obvious. the great joy comes, and then it goes. but it comes back again. i mean, it's a circle. >> you are convinced it's always going to come back? the rainbow is always going to come back? >> absolutely. goes is not the end of the sentence. it goes right back to the beginning. >> i view it a little darker. the rainbow comes and goes. good things happen and then followed by bad, but the rainbow may come back which it does in nature but how do you know you'll be there when the rainbow comes back. >> of course you don't. you just hang in there. >> how do you know you'll be in the right street at the right time? >> you just have to have a kind of gut faith. >> i'd rather plan for the times when the rainbow isn't there and when it's dark and cold and you have to -- >> i don't plan at all.
>> i know, which drives me nuts. but you've never planned. >> i don't plan because, you know, the phone can ring and your whole life can change. wonderful things can happen. and you don't -- i mean, all of the sort of wonderful things that have happened to me, it's all unplanned, unexpected. >> i think the phone can ring and your whole life can change. but i don't see that as a positive. >> it can be terrible, too, of course. but you have to kind of hang in there and wait until the next call comes. >> mom, thanks. >> thank you, sweetheart. our book "the rainbow comes and goes" is available in stores. we're also in a new documentary called "nothing left unsaid." it premieres tomorrow on hbo at 9:00 eastern time. we'll be right back. i take pictures of sunrises,
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this sunday on cnn, "race for the white house," including the 1992 presidential campaign and all it entailed. take a look. >> yes, i was bill clinton's lover for 12 years. >> democratic presidential candidate bill clinton is denying allegations he carried on an extramarital affair with a former nightclub singer. >> he said it wasn't true. if it was true, it's hardly disqualifying thing to run for
president. >> not a good night. >> when the story hit, the option was, what is the most vigorous response that we can give to deal with this. you knew you had to be aggressive. >> "race for the white house" sunday, 9:00 p.m. eastern. another good one. right now "cnn tonight" with don lemon. the battle for new york is getting personal. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. if you are bernie sanders, you probably wish you'd never said hillary clinton was unqualified to be president. >> seriously, i've been call a lot of things over the years, but unqualified has not been one of them. >> but the senator is not done with his criticism of hillary clinton. listen to what he tells our jake tapper. >> i have my doubts about what kind of president she would make. >> imagine what will happen when they go