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building the greatest buildings in the world, building one of great hotel portfolios and now running for president. he has the ability to turn things into gold. it's the passion that makes him so successful for what he does. >> he never gives up. he's works harder and harder opinion and he's able to balance everything he's doing on the campaign trail with his business and also taking care of us and being such app amazing father. i think having those two qualities and us receiving so much love from him, even when he's so busy is an amazing quality to have. >> i think one of the things i've always been most inspired by in observing my father is the way that he really inspires others, the way at our company, at the trump organization, he will set a very aggressive, a very bold vision and then really help people find it, help people both unearth their own potential
and also work together to achieving the vision that he's chartered for the company. and i think watching him on this platform also set an unbelievable bold vision, also really spearheads the conversation and really whether you agree with the platform or disagree with his policies on certain issues, he is guiding the conversation on both sides of the aisle, he's guiding the agenda and guiding the course. that's what leadership is. now he's doing that across this country and it's really remarkable. >> melania, is there something you learned about him that you really didn't know? >> i knew his drive and i'm with him almost every day and i go through the good, bad and the ugly stuff and, you know, we going through it and he's
strong, he's passionate, he's smart, he's tough and he's handling fantastic. because he's passion about the country. >> mr. trump, is there something you didn't know about yourself? >> well, i think something was reinforced tonight. i've known the most successful people in the world, many of them are very unhappy people, many of them you know and i've always said the most important thing is having a great family. the family is more important. to me the most successful, the people that seem to be the happiest are with a great family. you can see i have a wonderful family and it's been very important to me. i think it's been a real stabilizing factor. i don't think i would have had the kind of success i've had without my family. >> is business life tougher or political life ? >> i think the people in political life, it's more
dishonest. i think the business people are tougher. i think the people -- i know them all. we'll use some of these tough people to renegotiate our trade deals, i know the good ones and the bad ones and i know the overrated ones and the ones that are the best of all that are unheard of temperature . i think the business people are tougher but politicians are more deceptive. >> do you really believe you're going to get to 1,237 or do you in your heart believe this is going to be an open convention? >> i think i'll get to 1,237. i think we're going to do very well in new york, i think we should do really well in california. i think we'll get to the 1,237. this has been an amazing process. i said at the beginning but i'll say it again, i'm spending my own money. i understand politicians, i understand what motivates them. the thing that motivates them
are the special interests and their lobbyists. the people that are really giving them are giving money. by my not taking money from special interests, i'm going to be able to do the right thing for the people. whether it's ted cruz or others, i mean, i will tell you they're not going to do the right thing for the country. and it just is the way politics works. and nobody knows the system better than i do. >> and you know how politics works, at the convention, if you are don't make it in the first round of voting, a lot of those delegates who have to vote for you in the first round, they're tree to go elsewhere. are you ready for that? >> sure i'm ready for it. my life would be a lot easier. i just want to do something. as my children have said, the country has been great to me answered waand i want to give back. if people want me to do that, i think i'll do a fantastic job
for them. we'll save social security. our country is in such trouble. we're sitting on a bubble. our country is in trouble. i think i'd do a tremendous job. >> i want to thank donald trump and his entire family. tomorrow night ted cruz and his family. until then time for "cnn tonight" and don lemon. breaking us, you just saw our town hall with donald trump and his family. i'm don lemon. did a surging donald trump win over voters tonight? did he show his softer side by appearing alongside his family right here on cnn? let's discuss with my political dream team, kayleigh mcenany, david gregory, host of the david
gregory show podcast, gloria borger, matt lewis, and donna brazile. next time, donna, you'll get with the purple a. what was the news coming out of this? >> donald trump said he doesn't believe that the republican establishment wants him to be the nominee, that the republican party wants him to be the nominee. and we've heard him say over and over again that the process is rigged, et cetera, but i don't think we've ever heard him say that he believes that the party, i.e., the rnc, et cetera, wants him to be the nominee. >> let's listen to it. >> oh, you got it. >> yeah. >> good for you.
>> you've been very critical. you said the nominating system of colorado is rigged, disgusting and dirty, a corrupt deal full of crooked shenanigans. ted cruz said you're a whiner. the rules are the rules. didn't you just get played out on the ground? >> no, i don't think so. i've watched ted cruz say he's been winning. i've won 22 states and he's won 10 and we're way up on votes in terms of the voters, which to me is important to me. i'm millions of votes ahead of him and hundreds of delegates ahead of him but the colorado thing was very, have very unfai. i thought louisiana was unfair. i won it easy. >> you won the popular vote, he won the delegates. >> i won the popular vote. and all the shenanigans. >> you call them shenanigans but
those are the rules. >> today when it was announced, they put it out on twitter, we stopped trump. the point is it was stacked us. >> you could have had a better organization on the ground. >> i don't know if it would have mattered. it was totally set in stone. that's the way it was. you saw republicans that wanted to go and be trump delegates and they're burning their card on the internet. >> a lot of time, he had a lot of organization, going out, reaching out to people who wanted to be delegates -- >> we had a lot of delegates and they were not heard because the republican party out there was 100% probably controlled by the rnc, which maybe doesn't like this happening because i'm a self-funder, putting up my own money. they don't like when i put up my own money, they don't have any control over me because i'm doing for the people. when you talk about winning, i've won most of it and i'm not
complaining. flrp a couple i won that he's complaining about but i've been winning far more than anybody else. >> so, gloria, i think anderson's question was very good. was he just outplayed? what did you think of his a answer? >> his answer was quite predictable. i know kayleigh would disagree with me. but when you enter a game and run for the presidency, you have to know the rules. i believe that donald trump on the ground lost. and that these rules were changed back last august, the cruz campaign knew what they were, people who run for the presidency need to know the rules and complaining that they're unfair doesn't really work for you heading into a convention because you're either telling the delegates they're corrupt and what happens if you win by the way? if you win, is it an
illegitimate process by which you won? >> what did you think of his answer? was he just outplayed on the field? >> i think he was. donald trump was not preparing for the machinery of a presidential run. this is the king kong of politics. he wanted to climb the empire state building and scream i am running and i should win and be your president because i'm the greatest. now he's trying to catch up with some organization. if he does well in his upcoming contest, he gets darn close and he might have the machinery in place to win on the process. he is going after the establishment. he's making ted cruz look like the ultimate d.c. insider, which he is not, it is hilarious, he's solidifying his base and doing two things at once, calling out the rnc for being against him but at the same time trying to negotiate some deals as well as
he can to try to get delegates on his side before it's too late. he may pull it off. >> we often have discussions where we make it seem that donald trump is somehow losing, where in fact he's ahead by 200 delegates. >> but he is complaining about the delegates process, even though he's ahead. >> and he should. he thinks the system is unfair when a million voters in colorado don't get to -- >> but there's a game being played here, too. there's some gamesmanship. >> no, there's not. >> stand by. you may recognize this guy on the screen now, anderson cooper, he moderated the town hall. my question to you last night -- great job by the way -- i asked if you think you're going to see a whole different donald trump with the whole clan on the stage. i think we did. what do you think? >> i think with any of the
candidates with their family, you see a different side of them. we tried to start of the hour with tough questions for trump about his complaints on the whole delegate battle, particularly in colorado, but really the audience seemed very interested in focusing on family members and getting their perspectives, the first time you really see them all together on the stage like this. the donald trump children have spent a lot of time in the spotlight and are very experienced at communicating and clearly i think, i'm looking at twitter reaction from donald trump supporters who certainly felt they hit it out of the park in terms of their presentation tonight. obviously his critics will see it differently but i think for trump supporters, they feel the candidate came out very well tonight. >> in your questioning -- in his answer he had something very interesting to say about bernie sanders. let's listen and then we'll discuss. >> i just want to read you what corey gardner, a republican senator from colorado said. he seems annoyed at what you're saying. >> he's a member of the stab
me establishment. >> he said how on earth are you going to defeat isis if you can't figure out the colorado convention? >> we'll figure it out but it's stacked against us. my delegates, they're all over the internet burning up their cards. >> so how are they stacked against you? >> the republican party in colorado award cruz or wanted somebody other than trump. i don't think anybody wants cruz. there's no reason to want him. the republican party wanted someone other than trump. i am the only one that's going to beat hillary clinton, assuming she runs and gets out of her problem, which she probably will because that's a system that's bad, too. i'm not fan of bernie sanders. to me he's forget it. but every time i turn on, he's winning. week after week he wins, wins and i watch you and all of the
pundits and they say he can't win. you know why? it's stacked against him. it really is. in his case it's super delegates and in my case it's the obvious. >> so a definite comparison to himself. bernie sanders is not really an outsider but he is. he's saying it's stacked against both of them. >> he also later on said he doesn't have much evidence in terms of how the system is actually stacked against him. he's saying the rnc, the state republican party didn't want him. senator cruz spent a lot of time, a lot of organization, have field offices getting out people, putting up people to vote, putting up people to run as delegates. i think there was an argument to be made that he was simply outmaneuvered on the ground, even if you don't believe with the system, if you ever don't believe it's the right kind of system, that is the system. those are the rules in place. they've been in place for some eight months at the very least,
these latest rules. so donald trump didn't seem to play the game as well as senator cruz did in the state of colorado. >> i don't know if you can see behind you because these candidates have grueling schedules. is he still in there talking to people and shaking hands? >> he is. it's actually one of the first times in the town hall in the midst of it that i've heard people say "you've convinced me tonight." we had two or maybe three people who said they came into this and were not sure but made decisions over the course of the evening, which i thought was interesting. i'm not sure exactly what it says but i thought it was interesting. >> i any what it is is that people really get to know a different side, there aren't timers. you can say okay, your time is up, you need to respond to this. donald trump has left the room, left the building as you were speaking there, anderson. thank you, great job.
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magic 1,237? here was his response. >> do you really think you're going to get to 1,237 or in your heart do you believe this is going to end up being an open convention? >> i think i'll get to 1,237. i think we're going to do very well in new york. as i said before, some of the states around that we're going to be in next. i think we should do really well in california. i think we'll get to the 1,237. this has been app aman amazing process. i i said it before, i'll say it again, i'm spending my own money. they won't do the right thing. by my not taking money from the special interests, they're told to do it by the people that give them money. whether it's ted cruz or others, they're not going to do the right thing for the country. and it just is the way politics
works and nobody knows the system better than i do. >> dana, he was confident. was the room with him? >> i think a lot of people, it was obvious from the questions, a lot of people who came here with were him or going towards him. they wanted to that final push from him and also from him family. but i do think we all have to be careful not to count out donald trump from getting that 1,237 before the convention. is it hard? is it difficult? of course. but it is absolutely not impossible. you have the numbers up there right now. and the fact that he hired paul manafort, it really does signal the kind of approach he's taking to this. he has had' very lean, mean machine to this point and he's really followed his gut and he's followed his instincts but now
he recognizes he needs more than that, he needs to play the game. not just the game he's used to playing, i'll write you a check, you make sure you vote this way or that way. no, this is really, really granular in old style horse trading politics with delegates. it really isn't something that he's not used to, it's something that maybe a generation isn't used to because it has been so long. i do think that, again, just going back to your question, it is possible. and i definitely think given what happened in colorado, given what happened in louisiana, his delegate convention chair, paul manafort has his work cut out for him, he's just catching up, but it is possible. >> back with me is my political dream treatment.
>> a new poll shows donald trump at 55%. that helps him get to that delegate math, right? >> absolutely. people assume trump wins new york, trump wins new jersey but then cruz has to win indiana and nebraska and it could go to california. or it could go to the convention. and i actually think the number is 1,200. it's sort of like when you go to buy a car or buy something on tv, 1,999. i think if he gets to 1,200, depriving him of it would be really unpalatable.
>> gerald ford they they had the contested convention was 20 short and ronald reagan was 11 short. i was talking to his campaign manager, corey, i said you have to do a little delegate maintenance, identify them, you have to put them in a database and know their birthday. it's not about giving them rides on an airplane. it's just knowing who they are. >> it's like cramming for the s.a.t.s. you can't decide to cram the week before the election. that's sort of the position they're in. not quite as bad. >> but you were also shaking your head, kellyanne, when you said don't count donald trump out. >> a lot of states to go. moment momentum is a lot.
>> but nobody thought he was going to lose new york. >> he's planting himself here. that is a different strategy. wisconsin was a big blow in that it was a double digit loss and it was a retail politicking state ash place where cruz was able to coalesce those five former opponents. we've been talking for a month on your show, i've been talking about the value of data analytics, ground game, having infrastructure -- >> now he's realizing it? >> i don't know, he's not realizing. people around him should realize it. he's saying his base is being -- >> for not knowing how to run the system, ted cruz should have won and donald trump is beating him in the delegate count by 200. for someone who is so terrible, he's doing pretty darn well when he's beating your candidate by
double. >> cleveland is going to be a convention. if you can't perform at the colorado convention, it doesn't portend well for the cleveland convention. >> go ahead, gloria. >> that's right. people who go to the college -- >> people who are part of the republican party, not people who like to party. >> they are party people who are devoted to the party. the danger here for donald trump i think is denigrating their commitment to their party by calls the system corrupt. it's something i think that he's got to watch out for because -- >> is it you have to get to know the people? >> i went to houston and talked to jim baker about this who ran the '76 convention for gerald ford. he said you have to know everything about them.
and calling them corrupt or the system corrupt is really not the way to do it, particularly if you're likely to win. >> but it also is a fact that the reason that the delegates are chosen the way they're chosen is two-fold. one is he's partially right, it is to keep outliers from getting the nomination. there's the delegate math and we're talking about that a lot as we should and there's also the electorate. to your point where cruz has underperformed is -- >> with the people, who should matter. >> with his base of evangelicals in the south, that's where trump overperformed. but where trump is really hurting now is can he grow his base of support beyond the more poorly educated, those without college degrees, white males, can he grow among women, can he grow among a diverse population
in a state like new york at all. it's in part the saidism of these delegates who might waver. i can win, i can grow from where i've been. that's what he was demonstrating early on. it's only in wisconsin did cruz grow some game to -- >> if cruz gets below -- if cruz gets below 20%, you get a big bagel, right? so nothing. >> a new york bagel. >> john kasich, he was in new york more in the last two weeks than i was and we've been there. >> stand by. more from our panel and more from the trump family tonight here on cnn. this is huge news! it's all thanks to our birds eye chef's favorites side dishes perfectly sauced or seasoned. what are you..? shh! i'm live tweeting. oh, boy. birds eye. so veggie good. ♪ ♪
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talking about vp picks tonight. >> you gave an interview to "usa today," talked about you're looking at vice presidential picks, you're not going to give out any names but you named marco rubio, john kasich, scott walker. >> i said they're people i like. here's the problem, i've beaten them very badly. walker how could i ask for him for an endorsement because i got him out. >> when you say you liked them, did you mean you liked them at potenti potential vice presidents? >> i like them at people. could they be involved in the government? >> absolutely they could.
i don't think necessarily vice president. >> would you like for somebody with political experience on the ground, especially a political person who could help you with congress? >> yes. i'm going to do so well with so many different things but you don't need two like me. i want to have something that can deal with congress, that gets along with congress, that's a washington person. >> can you name one? >> i don't want to do that now. i think it's inappropriate. i just think it's the wrong time. i do have people in mind. look, i've been dealing in politics all my life. i know most of these politician. so he said he >> so he said he's thinking about someone from the establishment, miss borger. are you surprised? >> he said it before. to donald trump's credit, he said i need some balance for
what i don't know. it's sort of a what like president obama did, going to joe biden. i give donald trump a lot of credit to say i think i need somebody to play the inside game for me because i haven't played that inside game. do i think any of the people he mentioned are real at this point? none maybe except for scott walker. >> is that a kasich or scott walker? >> i don't think kasich would do it. >> most people's money would be on someone like john kasich. >> anything's possible. all these people who hate each other now would enter into the conversation. what did trump say about being nicer? first i have to take two people out and then i can be presidential. there is something so
transparent about him. i'm in the game, i'm going to torch these people, i'm going to say things that are nasty the way i would never talk to my children or my wife and that's just the way it has to be in politics. this is why conservatives worry about him. he's not ideological. he will make deals. and that's what he's saying by saying i'm the ultimate anti-establishment guy but i know i need a d.c. insider. >> who does he need? >> a washington insider who can navigate the system. because at the end of the day -- >> who would sign on? >> we didn't think governor christie would sign on. >> now he's going to go to the -- >> they understand you can't shut down the government like senator cruz and get things done. you can't be an obstructionist. >> i'm not so sure his voters wouldn't -- >> definitely trying to stop
obama care. >> you can't be an obstructionist -- >> i think senator cruz -- >> he wants to deport 12 million people. there is no practical way to get that through the government. >> you should read "art of the deal." it's a deal at the end of the day. if there's things you need to compromise on, one thing he's not compromising on is building the wall. that is what you have to be able to compromise. we have a president who has refused to coalesce to the other party and extend his arm really -- >> hold on, let me finish really quick. there has to be a bill, there has to be a signature by the president and donald trump is saying -- >> does he know what happens when people dig under the wall? which is how many people get over? >> i mean, we're talking about whether or not donald trump has a chance, a snowball chance, i
mean, he's the leader, the front-runner, more votes, more delegates, does he have a path, can he regain his momentum to win? but this whole notion of picking a washington insider, that's not an anti-message. that's off his narrative. he's against the establishment. he wants to change thing. i don't know if this is a good conversation for donald trump. >> obama had to go to a big time insider to shore up his weaknesses. i think where i disagree that there has to be a compromise, there has to be a bill, i just think there be certain things he's standing for that he'll fight in that are nonstarters either in a compromise or negotiation. i may be wrong but that's my sense. he's in some ways as tough on these things as cruz has been. >> we've got to take a break. hold your thought. we'll get it. we'll get to all of that
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so donald trump hospitposit his support but angry with a fixed system. >> anderson, they changed the rules a number of months ago -- >> about eight months ago. >> that's not long ago. >> you had a lot of time to prepare -- >> they changed rules because they saw how i was doing and they didn't like it. they saw because they thought jeb bush was going to win or marco rubio was going to win. they changed the rules so i wouldn't get any delegates.
then i won in a landslide and got all the delegates. but colorado is unfortunate because they disenfranchised the voters -- >> you're saying that you don't think the rnc wants you to get the nomination? >> no, i don't. >> you think they're activity working against you? >> i don't see it. it's not like i have 15 miles of proof. but they shouldn't want to have a vote of the people of colorado. the voting has been phenomenal. >> reince priebus tweeted at 10:18 p.m. said nomination process known for a year plus beyond. it is the responsibility of the campaigns to understand it. complaints now? give us all a break. has he never gone in like that? >> no. i think he said the rules are the rules before, but i think he took this as a shot across the
bow of the rnc, which it was. trump complained directly about the rnc and priebus running the rnc felt the need to come out and say these are the rules. >> you've been calling us the dream team. and people have been watching people versus o.j. simpson. we learned the johnnie cochran technique is if you don't have the facts, you run against the system. reince priebus and the rnc. they're the lapd basically. donald trump is going to war against the system. the system is rigged, the system is broken. i think it's indicative of a flawed campaign. >> no, matt -- >> it is, it is. >> but, don -- >> the republican nominee gets so much from the party, so much from the rnc. it's data files, it's money, it's resources, it's ground
game. that is the establishment. is he going to say no to that? i don't want the rnc data files? >> isn't he doing fine without the files right now? >> if you get to the contested convention -- >> it's easier to show up trump's argument, the game is rigged, the fix is in. i don't believe it. it's bogus, but the glove don't fit you, you must acquit. it works. >> i'm loving this. >> i would refer you to the exit polls in wisconsin where the voters there elected cruz, it's in their interest to go to a contested convention, those same voters in washington said by 54% they want the person with the most delegates going into the convention to be the nominee. likewise, a national -- >> let's put that up. >> they probably don't realize there's also an electoral college. >> 66% according to a cnn, 60%
of republicans tell cnn the nominee should be the candidate with the most delegates. >> the rnc needs to listen to their voters. everyone on this panel says rules, rules, rules. i want them to look at the voters and explain why the rules are fair. >> why is it fair that we have an electoral college and the popular vote doesn't elect -- >> electors can't be bribed. in this election alone, we will have more than 157 delegates givengo again the people. >> did what in colorado happen because the system was rigged or because people didn't show up and do the work? >> as a member of the rules committee -- i'm a democrat. when you put together these
rules, whether it's at the republican convention back in 2012 or throughout the process, you anticipate those who are interested in running, they're in the room, they understand what the process is. throughout our process, we have not just, you know, hillary clinton people, bernie sanders, martin o'malley and others. so the rules are written with the candidates in mind but also the state parties. they're the ones who have a vested interest in making sure the rules mirror -- >> that's why you said the rnc doesn't decide the rules? >> this isn't up to the rnc. this is up to the people who are on the rules committee who go to the convention. donald trump will have a lot of representation on the rule committee given the fact that he has won an awful lot of votes. so, yes, kayleigh, he will have that representation. i agree -- and i understand the people when they say, look, it's
only fair if you're winning, heading into the convention that you ought to get it. i think the margins matter, just like it mattered in 1976. there were small margins, they didn't really know going in what was going to happen and they had to have a ground game. now, if donald trump is 50 votes short, he'll be able to get the nomination, there is no doubt about it. i mean, i think he would. >> i think 1,200 looks a lot bigger than 1,199. for some reason. >> but i also believe if he's 200 short and cruz comes in second, that there's going to be a fight. >> and that's the point. that's why the rules are set up the way they're set up. he can still win in what he believes is a rigged system and my sense is he'll still be happy existing within that system. he's putting the machinery in place to try to prevail and he's is a bit behind.
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