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new york's primaries are just days away and the stakes couldn't be higher for both sides. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. we count down to our democrat being debate at the brooklyn navy yard. >> people will say, oh, there she goes, she's playing the gender card. and what i say to that is if talking about equal pay and paid leave and more opportunities for women and girls is playing the gender card, then deal me in. >> i want to start off my talking about some of the very real differences that exist
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between secretary clinton and myself. and there are a lot of differences. [ cheers and applause ] >> the republican taking aim at their front-runner. >> some who feed off of the fears and the anger that is felt by some of us and exploited feed their own insatiable desires for fame and attention. that could drive america back into a ditch and not make us great again. >> donald loves to call people a loser. donald wakes up at night in cold sweats that people will call him losin' donald. >> you can't write this stuff. one rather says thanks but no thanks to the nomination.
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>> i do not want nor will i accept the nomination for our party. >> meanwhile in our town hall tonight, donald trump says this about the battle for delegates. >> i think i'll get to 1,237. i think we're going to do very well in new york. as i said before, some of the states around that we're going to be in next. i think we should do well in california. i think we'll get to the 1,237. this has been an amazing process. i saidt the beginning and i'll say it again, i'm spending my own money. i understand what motivates people, special interests and lobbyists. they won't do the right thing. the people that are really getting them are giving money. by my not taking money from all of these special interests, i'm going to be able to do the right thing for the people people think why are they so stupid in they're doing because they're told to do it by the people that
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give them money. >> i want to get straight to sarah with breaking news. marco rubio is making news tonight. what do we know? >> marco rubio did an interview with the mark levin radio show. he did not quite endorse ted cruz but this is as close as he's come so far. >> i want the republican nominee to be a conservative and in my view at this moment of the candidates that are still actively campaigning, the only one that fits that criteria is ted cruz, i've said that publicly. as far as the delegates, they're bound on the first ballot. these delegates, many of them will be free to vote for another candidate and i hope that they'll nominate a conservative. >> rubio has all but disappeared since he dropped out of the race. it is telling to hear him say ted cruz is the only real conservative left. and marco rubio has asked him to keep the delegates bound to him.
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he could play a role if you get to point where donald trump is coming up just short. >> it will be interesting to see how donald trump respond to that and you know he will. you've been on the campaign train, you've soon him take on angry protesters, impressions with him and his family tonight? >> it is striking when you see him up there with his children because you don't usually see him on the campaign trail. so you see how proud he is and talk about how he was raised, about how her father treated her the same as her brothers in terms of her role in the company and in terms of growing up and fueling her ambition. i think that was all telling. i think this is the kind of thing that could help donald trump soften his image. when we look at the broader electorate when it comes to
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women, his family being out there is something that could help prepare him in the general election. it all comes down to the candidate. it depends on whether donald trump is more disciplined on the stump as well. >> we've been hearing him take on the process saying the primary process is fixed, rigged, corrupt. how are voters reacting to that? >> this does speak to his base. they feel like they have showed up and voted and in new york they're preparing to cast their ballots and they feel like the republican party isn't listening to them. when i was talking to voters at his event in new york yesterday they said they completely agree with donald trump, they feel the process is stacked against him, they feel the republican party is trying to rob donald trump of the nomination. the rnc is pushing back hard on this. they do not want to give voters the sense that their party is corrupt, that they are trying to steal the nomination. at least for now donald trump
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feels a better approach is to continue to be at war with the party. >> i appreciate that. the reince priebus tweeting out sayi saying the nomination process has been known for a year plus beyond. to complain now, give give us a break. >> and we're here with kayleigh mcenany, gloria gorger, donna brazile, kellyanne. >> i think the facts speak for themselves. i have witnessed these incredible female role models
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that he's employed in the highest executive positions at the trump organization my entire life in an industry that has been dominated by men, is still dominated by men but certainly was when he was starting out in his career and he was employing some of these women and raising them through the ranks. for me i think the way he wrarad me and raised tiffany, it's a testament to inspiring rim. he taught me there wasn't something i could doesn't if i set me mind to it, if i had deep passion and unearthed what i wanted to do with my life and worked very hard to achieve it. i don't think that's the message a father would relay to a lawyer he didn't believe had the potential to accomplish exactly what her brothers could. so for me it's his actions speak loud are than the word of many politicians who talk about gender equality but it's not evidenced in their daily
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employment practices. i think both at the trump organization and also in a more personal capacity, the type of father he was to a daughter, two daughters, i think evidences how he feels about our gender in general. >> tiffany? >> i think my father since i've been a little girl has always just inspired me and had so much faith in me to just be the best person i can be, the best woman i can be. every time i speak to him on the phone whether it be at phone or i'm with him in his office or palm beach, he wants to us do the best and he has the utmost fail that we can accomplish whatever we set our minds to just as well as men if not better and we're such strong, hard workers, ivanka, melania, i truly feel my father is the best husband, the best he could be. >> why do the women closes to him see things differently than many women voters? >> they see him as a father, an
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employer of women, he's warned them to stay away from drugs and alcohol. that's different. the numbers started going around college educated republican women to say nothing of independent and democratic women right around march 11 at the chicago rally and then after he insulted heidi cruz, somebody else's wife. can he recover? yes. should he put his family right out there to help him? should we see them as surrogates? this family is so kcohesive. he's got buildings all around the world with his name on it. this is his greatest imprimatup. >> the response from his
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daughters, kayeleigh, did that help him? >> 100%. there was this effort to paint donald trump into a caricature into anti-women. >> don't you think he supplied the vcanvas and the paint and paint brush -- >> yes, he did but from that one instance. >> let her finish. i'll let you get in. >> what you look at what you've seen this evening, you see someone who empowers women, not diminishes them. >> but they're wealthy people in manhattan. they need to connect in a different way. and ivanka can and melania can
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and tiffany can, but to think all of that got washed away -- >> donald trump, there is a pattern of behavior, it's rosie o'donne o'donne o'donnell, megyn kelly and heidi cruz. but ivanka, not only is she likable, but it speaks well -- >> can i say one thing about ivanka? she had a baby three weeks ago. and when i had a baby, i didn't like like that three weeks ago. the respect they had for their father shows. and they're character witnesses
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for candidates. >> do you think sometimes tone is important and up get more with honey than vinegar so to speak? >> i think without question. there also comes a time when you actually have to put the hammer down. >> i agree. >> there comes a time when people are laughing at your face, that you have to actually fight back. that's what's so important about what he does. he's not going to go every time there's a little change in the wind, he's going to flip. that's not what he does. he's going to fight for the american people. tone is important. for 38 years i've seen him do deals with people from all over the world, different backgrounds, different ethnicities, different personalities. he's better to do that than anybody. nobody can be more endearing. he wins everyone over when the time is right. but we're at a time in our country where we believe we need some change, we need someone who
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is going to go to work for the people. the biggest joke i hear is politicians talking about how they're going to serve the people. they're serving themselves. he wants to give back to the country, to the people who have been so loyal to him. he wants to go through this brutal process to be able to give back. he's truly -- it's incrkrecredi selfless and amazing to see and it's resonating with the people. >> donna brazile? >> i've met his kids, met his wife, they're very kind, respectful people. but when you disrespect an entire group of americans, whether it's punishing women, mexicans as rapists, banning muslims, i mean, people take that personally. so i don't know if one interview with his family will change the script, but it will help some people who are comfortable with his temperament maybe find him a little bit more --
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>> so everyone is sitting here talking about megyn kelly and heidi cruz and muslims and -- none of this has seemed to hurt donald trump at all. >> it has. >> hold on. >> he should have had this wrapped up a long time ago. >> and he's losing to hillary. >> women alone, if you look at the data, he's trailing among women. people don't realize in a general election, the republican usually wins women in terms of the total number of women. >> white women. >> i'm sorry, excuse me, white women. i beg your pardon. >> married, not single. >> my point is if he can't win -- barack obama lost white women in 2012, he lost them by 6 points to mitt romney. if hillary clinton got up to 52 and wins 80% of minorities, it's very hard to win. that kind of data really does matter. and character witness, family, all of that is very important but there is -- he was asked tonight do you speak the way to
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your family the way you speak in the course of the political campaign? oh, no, i don't do that. i'm a lot nicer. so there is this kind of outlandish way of speaking about women, muslims and others that he is now trying to tack back. i think he does have a long way to go. >> aren't people often different at home with their families than they are at work? >> but it's like he's winking. >> stand by, guys. i have to take a break. as we count down to new york's primaries next tuesday, stay with cnn for the town hall with all the gop candidates and their families, anderson cooper, ted cruz and his wife heidi cruz and it's our democratic debate between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. more from donald trump at our cnn town hall tonight. cliff jumping!
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. we're back with my political dream team, georgia borger, david gregory, kayleigh mcenany, donna brazile, kellyanne conway. you were talking about trump was winking? >> well, by the way, maybe i will ask someone from the
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establishment to be my vice president, which raises a lot of question marks with conservatives, who believe he's not a conservative, he's way to malleable, why is why some in the establishment early on was saying i can live with this guy. >> he says he gets enjoyment out of tweeting and -- >> you no, it's interesting. i started off a number of years ago and i now see that over the weekend i picked up like almost 100,000 people and i have 7.6 million people there, almost 7.5 million on facebook, 1.5 million on instagram. and it's really an asset. i really enjoy doing it. you see what's going on. there is some genius there. will you read some of the stuff, there is genius there. you have to find the right genius, but it is a powerful
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thing. >> as president, though -- >> no, i wouldn't be doing it. or i would do it very little. it's different. but right now if i'm fighting one of my opponents, i can tweet out things or my feelings and i had it in cnn. there was one instance where i was at a town hall and someone got up and made a pretty negative statement about the president, very negative. they never found out who this guy was, was he a setup or what and he made a pretty negative statement about the president and they said i didn't defend him and it was a big deal. i remember i tweeted one line and then another line and i put it out and it broke into cnn, they broke into this major broadcast, "donald trump breaking news," and it totally solved the problem. so it doesn't all work badly. but it is a modern method of communication. when i have 16 million or 17 million people when you add it up, it gives me a big advantage. >> do you ever want to say to him put the mobile device down,
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it's 2 a.m.? >> if he would only listen. i did many times. and i just say, okay, do whatever you want. he's an adult. he knows the consequences. >> i said none of those things, even twitter seems to have hurt him. you guys vehemently disagreed saying yes, it has hurt him. >> he sa i'm not going to do this as president. wouldn't one thing you'd have to show by example? >> it's his frenemy, twitter. i think he knows he's very smart about controlling the news cycle. so he can tweet something at 10:00 at night and you'll put it on your show because you're watching,e're watching and then the morning -- the news cycle on the morning shows will be dominated by something that donald trump tweeted the night before. >> he couldn't have done what he's done without a 24/7 news cycle, cable news, and without twitter. i don't know that he could have pulled it off. >> that's a good question, too, for president obama, as well, who used social media to his
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advantage. and cable news. >> that's right. and he's been able to phone into these shows. i think twitter phoning into the shows, rallies and the polls. he doesn't love his own pollsters. if your entire narrative is winning, winning, winning, we're losing and we need to win again and you're losing in the fall, there are republican primary vote who are will look past some of the indignities and look past some of the rhetoric to win in the fall to beat hillary clinton. if you can't prove you can beat hillary clinton, you've shrunk your -- >> let me ask you then. you said putting stock in polls. so the polls show he's losing to hillary clinton. how much stock should we put in that? >> we don't know if hillary clinton is the nominee. we don't know who the exact nominee is. how much stock should anyone put in that? >> a poll that came out today showed him coming closer to beating hillary clinton than ted cruz. this just goes to show the polls
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are not reliable right now. it is april right now. i tend to agree -- >> one at a time. >> the polls against hillary clinton do not matter right now, particularly in a race when you have bernie sanders who said i don't want to talk about her e-mails. if donald trump is the nominee, we're going to talk about her e-mails, benz, the clinton foundation until the cows come home. >> i'm sit hearing, i want to laugh but it's inappropriate at this time to talk about hillary's e-mails and investigation -- that's all the republicans are talking about because there's no substantial. we've entered a substance-free zone with donald trump. when is the last time we've actually debated policy when we talk about these republican candidates? i mean -- you can talk about tears down someone's character, but if you don't have a plan and a vision for the future, it's
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worthless. >> she potentially broke federal law and that will be asked about her on the debate stage. >> that's not true, kayleigh, that's what your analysis -- the fbi is looking into an inquiry into how her e-mail was handled and whether or not anyone hacked it and if any e-mails contained classified information. all of the various intelligence agencies are looking at those e-mails. i hope they conclude this. i hope she gets this behind her, otherwise she'll have to continue to talk about it. >> you shouldn't feel cornered. because the truth is a lot of the things that are negatives for trump have not hurt him up till now. he is winning. he is winning. now all of these things could eventually hurt him. i do think where he has gotten into issues in policy, it has started to reverberate against him, talk about nuclear weapons for japan and south korea, some of that stuff has boom raerange
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back on him. i do think presidential campaigns are much less about characteristics, character and personal characteristics and he is portraying strength and some of his outrageousness, by the way, in opposition to these other candidates is at a decibel level that offends a lot of people but also gets him such attention that he has been effective. >> kayleigh has a point. remember when he went after bill clinton, it seemed like a crazy idea, the point is that polls -- >> he did seem to neutralize -- >> we don't know what's going to happen in a general election. if donald trump is the nominee, he could go after hillary. we don't know how she's going to respond. she could fall apart. donald trump could put her on the offensive in a way -- >> stay with me. donald trump's town hall and
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we week to go until the crucial new york primaries. donald trump has a double lead in the polls. if he wins big, he's going to get all these delegates. back with me, my political dream team. they still fight during the economic break. kellyanne, ivanka just had her baby, what, two weeks ago? >> what's being a mom meant to you? how has it changed you? >> i think it's changed me in almost every capacity. i think it's made me a better person and a better wife. i think i'm much more empathetic, once you start thinking about a bigger picture outside of yourself. it's easy to be very self-centered when you're young and you're single and obviously it started when i got married and i became a we and having kids brings it to a whole different level, putting them first and they become very much the center of your universe. >> that sounds exhausting. >> and it's exhausting.
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it's really the most amazing type of challenge that you can't prepare yourself for and so unbelievable rewarding. i have three children now under the age of 4 1/2 and it's exhausting but it's the perfect kind of chaos. >> wow. >> so just your normal mom here? >> she certain appears to be. ivanka, congratulations on your beautiful baby and that body to go with it. i have four small children myself. it does change you. people see us all on tv. it's a heck of a lot easier to run your mouth than to run a house or run a business. it does change you. it takes away that self-involvement. other human beings, you're responsible for them. she seems very genuine. i think she'll connect with lots of mothers young and old across the country, just by being so poignant about her experiences and how her children have humbled her and made her a
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better person. >> it's something you can't plan for, which is why i don't have any. >> i was wondering how your father reacted to your converting to judaism? >> it's such a personal decision. i tend not to talk about it in a public forum. my father was very supportive. he knows he and he trusts my judgment. he knows i make them in a well-reasoned way, i don't rush into things. i appreciate the support he gave me because obviously these decisions are -- he believes in me, he loves my husband and they're incredibly close and he's been very supportive of me in that decision as in many others that i've taken throughout the years. >> trump as a supportive father,
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david. >> well, ivanka is an extraordinary person. i mean, she came off just beautifully tonight on motherhood, on being a daughter, on making incredibly important faith decision in her family and getting support. so, look, this goes a long way to sort of completing, donald trump showing a different side of him as a father of a child, you know, a grown child like her and his sons and his other daughter, tiffany. all of that is very important. we could spend too much time talking about ivanka, who would be an outstanding surrogate but still we'll be spending the most time talking about donald trump. >> the unspoken point is that a lot of really bad leaders have had families that loved them deeply. so, yes, it's great that he has a family that they love him -- >> yes, people are sending me
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messages -- >> i just love seeing great accomplished young women. >> and there's a certain humility to them that can be very disarming to people. >> especially ivanka. >> you would think there is no reason to be humble necessarily. there's a certain humility and composure. >> humble is not a word i would use to describe donald trump, though. >> he raised four kids, they all turned out with no drug problems, no issues, responsible business people. it's four kids who turned out -- >> that says a lot about donald trump. the fact that you come out here each and every day -- you know what says a lot? the fact that you come out here and so many others and not just defend him but make his case in a very compelling way, even when we disagree with you.
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that says more than anything else. >> don't forget, we saw the cruz daughters -- >> kasich. >> kasich. >> they were fun. >> we'll see the cruz family tomorrow night. >> it's also not unimportant because this is this kind of looking glass, especially in 2016, you're running for president. to both shield your family from that and also be humanized by your family while running through a process that does not really encourage humility is important and is an important part of people taking the measure of candidate. so that why i think it's edifying. >> i humbly ask that nobody says anything else so we can get to this break and we'll be right back on the other side with more. orders on this company's servers. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the rise, mary's data could be under attack. with the help of the at&t network, a network that senses and mitigates cyber threats,
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>> if the republicans get to an open convention a contested convention and they get through a couple of votes with no one winning the nomination, virtually every delegate on this floor would become unbound, meaning he or she could vote as they please and some believe that could create a fire sale for delegates. why? let's consider one delegate to see what i mean here. this person would arrive at the convention knowing the rules from the national committee. they could not accept gifts from corporations from foreign nationals or from federal contractors. all of those are no-nos. but the rules do say they can take gifts from political pacs and from individuals. so let's say there's a pac out there supporting one of the candidates and that pac says you know what we want to do, we want to give you first class travel to the convention and then a limo to pick you up and a fancy hotel to stay in and lavish meals and we'll pay for everything. the rules save that's okay. what if you have a private
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individual supporting one of the candidates? he could say let me give you a gift bags and inside are some snags, some new head phones, ticket to a ball game, again, it's all perfectly fine. nobody can directly buy or sell the votes but this is just all a wink and a nod type of things. many want to meet with the candidates. but doesn't that go better if they say let's have that meeting around a round of golf or at the club. the party doesn't want to see these things happening. the campaigns suggest they want nothing to do with it. the bottom line is if you get to a contested convention, everyone would have spent millions of dollar trying to win over every candidate. it's not unheard of that maybe you'd have supporters out there who would still be pushing some
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kasich steak knives and maybe a cruz cruise or maybe a tour on a donald trump helicopter to win those last few votes. don? >> thank you, tom. appreciate that. back with my political dream team now. i mean, we thought oscar, those gift bags were -- >> swanky. >> by the way, i'm a delegate. no, i'm not. >> he just made the case for why these rules are not fair. this is not the oprah show where you walk away with a lot of free stuff. this is electing the next free leader of the world. the goal should be to uplift the will of the people, make it as representative as possible of the voters, allowing the voters in colorado to have a preference poll. it should not be about what tom just discussed. >> nobody here is going to defend buying off delegates. maybe if somebody is a lobbyist and they throw a party and you happen to be a delegate, maybe it would be too much to crack down on that.
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but if there's somebody overtly selling or trying to buy votes, that obviously is crossing the line. >> the rules, the rules, the rules, everything you guys said here, we're playing by the rules -- >> kayleigh -- >> donald trump -- i think it's more likely donald trump would buy votes. >> exactly. >> and nobody would notice. if a pac does it -- >> these are the rules, i'm playing by the rules. >> kayleigh be fair. >> if a political pac did this, you have to show transparency. you have to file things. if mr. trump ever did that, nobody would know. how does any other candidate get $2 billion of free earned media that donald trump has got? >> how many commentators have gone to mar-a-lago? >> well -- >> i would love to see the books on who has been to mar-a-lago to play golf with the donald. >> probably not many.
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i met him for the first time tonight so this notion that commentators are being taken to mar-a-lago -- >> should you be allowed to fly on his plane and interview him? >> according to the rules? >> who is supposed to monitor this, gloria? >> i think each delegation has to monitor it. here's the thing. you have to know your customer. and this is what i was talking to jim baker about, who ran the '76 convention for ford. he said you have to know your customer. you have to know who you're dealing with, what they like, what they don't like, talk to them about politics, know their state, understand their issues. so it's not, you know, just about the kind of can i take him on a trip to mar-a-lago or go quail hunting with ted cruz, it's about understanding what their issues are and how you can help them in their state and what matters to them. >> you might deal with those
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issues on a quail hunt or -- >> or at mar-a-lago. >> have people never done business on the golf course? >> i think that's probably happened once or twice. >> in places like colorado, that's my whole point. if you show you can play by the rules in a convention in colorado and get all the delegates, then you have a leg up -- >> donald trump is talking about the rules and the process. he's not talking about his message. >> this goes to something gloria was saying earlier about conservatives being worried about donald trump. he is saying the establishment is trying to stop me because i can't be bought. but that totally belies the fact that ted cruz ain't the establishment. number two, there are legitimate reasons that conservatives might be concerned about donald trump because he supported, you know, universal health care or because he wants taxpayer funding the
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planned parenthood, because hillary clinton came to his wedding. >> oh, my god. >> yes, exactly. >> that is so pathetic. >> the wedding thing i don't think people will care about. >> but conservatives, if you were a hard core conservative, if you were a delegate -- >> why is it so important that donald trump went to -- or hillary clinton went to donald trump's wedding when last night the kasich said we went to a same-sex wedding -- >> mr. kasich is not considered mr. conservative either by the conservative rank and file. this goes to something gloria was talking about earlier, that there are legitimate reasons that people who are really hard core movement conservatives have concerns about donald trump. and it's not because the establishment is trying to get us. >> he complains about the rules, he insulting the delegates. that was the point earlier, attacking the voters is never a good look -- >> when he attacks the voters and talks about the rules, he
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skirting the point on ideology. >> we've come a long way from party bosses and chief it aaeft the party deciding who the nominee would be. the best way would be to win on the first ballot. there's all these different considerations. that goes to gloria's point, you got to know them, work them, persuade them and maybe get to know them on a quail hunt. >> and people change on the second ballot, you can't assume it's because they were corrupted. >> we'll be right back, we'll be right back.
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with a non-insulin option, ask your doctor about once-weekly trulicity. and click to activate your within. and we're back with the political -- >> dream team! >> so there's one guy that a lot of people want to run for president who claims he's not going to do it but also claimed he didn't want to be speaker of the house. here's paul ryan. >> if no candidate has a majority on the first ballot, i believe that you should only choose from a person who is actually participated in the primary. count me out. i simply believe that if you want to be the nominee for our
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party to be the president, you should actually run for it. >> believe him, gloria? >> yes. 100% believe him. it wasanesqueshermanesque, he didn't leave any wiggle room. he's been very active on issues like poverty, the budget, set up a policy agenda so if the nominee is someone a lot of his members don't like, they can have someone to go and they can say i'm for the ryan agenda. and this is very much about trying to keep control of the house of representatives -- >> he has told people this would not be his year. he has a lot of sway over domestic policy as speaker of the house.
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>> what sway does this have at the convention? >> isn't it remarkable that he says there is a rule that is unfair and i think should be changed. >> that isn't what he said. >> hold on, hold on. >> he said the rule should be changed that some white knight can come in at the last moment and take the nomination. >> he said there isn't a rule. you should write one. >> you you don't think that's what he said? >> no. what he is saying more globally is i don't want to be the beneficiary of any such rule. i give him a ton of credit today. he has crafted this agenda where he's insis tant the party should be for things and not against thing. he's been very bold in his public communications. that is what has fed this frenzy that he was secretly running. a lot of donors have been pressuring him to be that white night because it's unfair to him. he's the speaker of the house.
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he has a very consequential day job -- >> he's got to love the attention. >> he's a great conservative communicator, he's optimistic and all that. it's one thing for ted cruz to, quote, steal the nomination from donald trump. if paul ryan does it, cleveland explodes. >> i agree. >> there's a precedent with president garfield, who was a lead in the congress, it was 37 ballots. >> donna taking us back, dropping history, giving us knowledge as usual. >> he's always dropping back saying i want to be switzerland, i want to be neutral. >> we'll be right back. make a statement... make sure it's an intelligent one. ♪ the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪
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as we count down to the new york primaries next tuesday, make sure you stay with cnn for town halls with all the gop candidates and their families. anderson is going to host ted cruz and his wife heidi cruz tomorrow night at 9:00. then it's our brooklyn debate between hillary clinton and bernie sanders thursday at 9:00. did you guys have a good time? >> great time. >> i have just a couple seconds left here. does he get to 1,237? >> i have no idea. i don't know. >> yes. >> no. >> no. >> close. >> not before cleveland or in
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cleveland. >> how does he get there? >> all of the northeast, ups the delegate game with manafort. he does get to 1,237. >> if you missed any of our town good evening, and welcome. it's a big night. a town hall night here again. john kasich and his family last night. right now donald trump and members of his family. republican front-runner answering to new york voters exactly one week before the primary. >> tonight, he's on his home turf. >> this is home. it's great to be home. >> and now after a wisconsin thumping, campaign changes, and a week of bad headlines, donald trump is looking to get his campaign back to its winning ways. >> i love these people. these are my people. man. >> he's back.

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