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new york union. and donald trump speaking live in pennsylvania tonight. be sure to set your dvr to record "outfront" so you can watch our show any time. "ac 360" in the meantime begins right now. good evening. get ready for a very busy 24 hours. presidential politics, including breaking news tonight about donald trump's campaign manager and the battery allegations against him. you can see by the preparations behind me, ted and heidi cruz in our third 360 republican town hall. then tomorrow night a democratic debate. bernie sanders and hillary clinton trying to build momentum, holding competing events tonight. she is in the bronx. he in manhattan's greenwich village. senator sanders scoring a huge endorsement today. donald trump is speaking tonight
in pittsburgh being met by protesters, about 100 according to a local affiliate kdka, some by black lives matters. meantime the breaking news about his campaign manager corey lewandowski and trump's ongoing war with his own party which he says wants to deprive him of the nomination. today talking to wolf blitzer, reince priebus tried to calm the waters without giving any ground. >> i believe this is some frustration that has bubbled up and, look, the rules are there. i know people get frustrated and they are disappointed when things don't go exactly the right way. when people are frustrated and upset, they say things they regret. but certainly one thing that's true is that the rules are not being changed in order to injure or benefit anybody. they are what they are. they are in writing. they are available to anyone that wants to participate. and actually state by state, they are not all that complicated. >> as for donald trump's side of
the battle, the breaking news about lewandowski. sara joins us from pittsburgh. let's talk about trump's campaign manager. what's the breaking news? >> sources are telling cnn that's corey lewandowski, trump's campaign manager will not be prosecuted for that incident involving former b re itbart reporter michelle fields. she said she had bruises from the incident. she pressed charges but it looks like the florida prosecutor will not be moving forward with that. we're waiting to hear from the trump campaign about their official comment. this has to be a big relief for them. this is another distraction they can move off their plate. this is a time of transition. he's trying to bring on more advisers, do more d.c. outreach. trying to behave more like a traditional campaign. this was a distraction they didn't need at this time. >> we mentioned the feud between trump and reince priebus. what's the latest on that? >> this feud as you saw playing
out in the town hall last night. and trump just hit it again here saying the system is rigged speaking to voters here in pittsburgh. he's backing off a little. what's you saw from reince priebus is a much more vigorous reaction. the senior gop strategist said that's because trump just went too far when he called the system too far. he is trying to run a transparent process. that's why you're seeing him push back publicly. these two sided have to work together if trump is the nominee. trump's campaign wants the field organization, the fund-raising prowess of the rnc and the data. that's also why you saw priebus predicting this was all going to blow over eventually. >> sara, at the top of the next hour, i'll be sitting down with senator cruz ands in family. what do you think his strategy is going to be? >> it's been such an interesting forum to see these candidates with members of their own family. it's made all of these candidates a bit more relatable.
we'll certainly see that with ted cruz and his wife heidi. the other message he has been hammering on the stump and you'll see him again tonight is this idea he's the only one who has the potential to beat hillary clinton in november. he's going to dredge up donald trump's numbers versus hillary clinton and say if we nominate this guy we're all but guaranteed to get slaughtered come november. go with me and maybe we'll at least have a shot, although i'm sure he'll guarantee you that he'll beat hillary clinton if he comes up against her. >> sara murray, thanks. no shortage of material tonight. cnn political commentator, trump support ir kayleigh mcenany, former cruz communications director amanda carpenter, ross douthout and gloria borger. how important is this? how much of a relief for the trump campaign about corey lewandowski. >> it's a huge relief for lewandowski and the campaign. looking back on this, if corey
had apologized at the beginning, none of this would have occurred and maybe i was a little too rough. that didn't happen. now he's no staffer wants to be the center of attention in your candidate's campaign. you want to be in the background and push the candidate forward. it's going to be a big relief to him and to his family. >> there still may be a defamation suit filed by this reporter against him for -- based on stuff he said on twitter. certainly not having criminal prosecution has to be a huge relief for all trump supporters. >> it's a big deal. anyone who looks at the florida statute knew this was going to be dismissed easily. and the really big lesson here is we shouldn't presume someone's guilt first of all. and i think this is a moment to commend donald trump for keeping him on staff. any other candidate would have said i can't deal with this. this is too much negative publicity. he stood by him and said i trust this guy, i take him at his word. i don't care if i'm harmed in the polls because i value
loyalty. >> there's a statement of principle. cruz fired one of his staffers for passing on a false story. you don't have to be guilty of a crime to not be a bad staffer. the problem is corey said he never touched the woman. they smeared this woman. this isn't appropriate behavior for a staffer. i don't think it's a victory for donald trump. corey's family may be relieved. it's still a reminder of how this campaign acts. the behavior donald trump condones among staff and that gives a lot of people pause. >> i agree with all of that. obviously, it's, you know, better not to be prosecuted than to be prosecuted. but frankly what we've seen from the trump campaign over the last few weeks as far as anyone can tell is the marginalization of corey lewandowski. you saw it today bringing on rick wiley, the former -- former campaign runner for scott walker. trump has moved to sort of put the campaign in other hands. and it's not just because of this incident.
it's also because they've been doing a terrible, terrible job of delegate competition in places like colorado. but basically whatever relief is felt, it's also true that lewandowski is sort of on his way out in certain ways. >> ross, what's do you make of this battle between this battle of words between reince priebus and donald trump? >> it's just a preview of what we'll see, you know, in crazy ways in the weeks before the convention if we assume that trump falls 75, 100, 125 delegates short. trump is trying to do two things. he's trying to build a case that delegates have to nominate him if he's the plurality winner. and he is -- one assumes -- laying the groundwork for what he'll say if he loses the nomination on the second, third or fourth ballot, which is i was robbed by lyin' ted cruz and reince priebus. what he does beyond that is unclear. that's the two-track path trump is on. he's trying to essentially, you
know, preemptively bully the republican party into nominating him in the event he doesn't have the necessary delegates and preparing a stab in the back narrative if he loses. >> how does trump unwind this? should he get the necessary delegates, you know, heading into the convention? is it still a corrupt process, or should he come out of the convention actually a winner? >> he doesn't need to unwind anything. he's donald trump. he can say something different the next day. he can say he loves reince priebus. >> it makes it easier for ted cruz to make the case saying i'm a soft place for you to land. maybe you don't like my style as a senator but i'm your safe choice now. i'm going to stand for the party, gives you a positive platform to run on. i have these policy proposals. you know where i stand. it makes it easy for delegates to support cruz given the fact donald trump is questioning the character of the delegates. >> i think it's going to have the opposite effect.
there's a lot of states to come that trump is going to do very well. a lot of voters are watching ted cruz and thinking why didn't this cand daylight staidate sta right to vote? why isn't he saying we should elevate the will of the people. there's a real problem with the republican party which is why we see people are frustrated and feel betrayed by the republican party. this adds to trump's popularity. it will help him do better in the popular vote in elections to come. >> the question is if you are hassing into the convention and the delegates are the republican party. these people start at the local level and then the county level, the state level and then they finally get elected to go to a convention. these are real party people who have devoted their lives to it. they are saying the process is corrupt which means they are corrupt. it's hard to get people to support you if you are saying, by the way, you're corrupt. vote for me. in a way that could be damaging to him if it comes down to a
very close fight. >> it is interesting how public this fight between reince priebus and trump has become. >> he's trying to box reince priebus in. donald trump always needs someone to fight. he's like a shark. has to keep swimming or dies. donald trump has to be fighting someone, picking a fight or his candidacy dies. as the field has collapsed he's gone after lyin' ted. he's gotten as much juice as he can out of that. now he needs to direct it at somebody else, another institution. he wants to make sure reince priebus doesn't do anything to favor him. i don't think it's going to be effective in the end -- >> he also wants a narrative about why he's been losing in these delegate battles. as the calendar has sort of slowed down as the number of primaries has slowed down and the distance between them expanded, trump hasn't had these moments he kept having where he'd have a bad week, something controversial would happen and then he'd win somewhere and could get up and display all his
sta steaks and give a speech about being a winner. losing is bad for his brand. he needs a counter -- >> that will end tuesday when he wins new york. >> we'll take a quick break. our final 360 republican town hall fast approaching. ted cruz and heidi cruz facing republican voters. we'll dig deeper into the roots between donald trump and the republican party. the party he says wants no part of it. padvil pm gives you the healingu at nsleep you need, it. helping you fall asleep and stay asleep so your body can heal as you rest. advil pm. for a healing night's sleep. my wife and i are now participating in your mutual fund.
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welcome back. we're about 45 minutes from tonight's final 360 republican family town hall. questions for ted and heidi cruz. the story surrounding all donald trump's ire at ted cruz's success to a process donald trump says is rigged. reince priebus denied that allegation. earlier today he also fired off this tweet. nomination process known for a year-plus beyond. it's the responsibility of the campaigns to understand it. complaints now? give us all a break. that's just a recent salvo. we've seen a longstanding battle. more from tom foreman. >> it's a crooked system, folks. >> reporter: the ceasefire between donald trump and the rnc is over. >> saying you don't think the rnc wants you to get the
nomination? >> no, i don't think so. >> reporter: tension between the two camps started last fall. trump surging in the polls refused to say he'd support the eventual party nominee. >> you'll not make the pledge? >> i will not make the pledge at this time. >> reporter: the hint at a possible third party run terrified strategists who feared it could split the gop vote n hand the election to democrats. they were relieved when trump finally gave in. >> here is your pledge. >> reporter: but then as he wrapped up win after win by trouncing more traditional republican candidates, party leaders inloaded. >> this is not conservatism. >> donald trump not republican in any sense of the word. >> i don't think trump is republican, conservative. >> can conservatives trust donald trump? >> reporter: considering the organizational power, the fund-raising capability and all the election data a major party can share with its candidate, by late february, the rnc was speaking speak ing up, too.
>> we're not joining a candidate. they are competing to join us. that's what's happens in a nomination process. >> reporter: soon trump had had enough. >> do you continue to pledge whoever the republican nominee is? >> no, i don't anymore. >> you'll no longer guarantee that you'll support the republican nominee? >> reporter: and the situation has not improved. >> if a candidate isn't willing to commit to the principles and values of our party, then they ought to just tell us. >> reporter: even as trump inches closer to becoming the winningest nominee the party never wanted. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> back with the panel. this continued back and forth between reince priebus and donald trump in such a public way. one rnc member from mississippi fired back at donald trump who said the rules are stacked against him saying, so when the system works to his advantage he's a winner. when he loses, it's a rigged system, it's corrupt. that's not how to unite a party. is trump trying to have it both ways? >> he's railed against the
establishment, part of whom some would say is the rnc since the very beginning. now it became evident and palpable when a whole state didn't get to vote that this was unfair. i think donald trump would have railed against it either way because he wants to empower the people. >> reporter: >> why are caucuses okay but this delegate election not okay in colorado? it's a relatively small number of people who are actually turning out. it's not the entire state going to vote. it's people who actually are highly motivated -- >> he didn't really like the caucuses, though, right? his reaction to iowa was consistent with his reaction to colorado. >> this, though is very different than a calk ukucucauc. even if it meant the delegates didn't adhere to that, they at least got to show up and have a voice. instead of lifting off the will of the people, they diminished it by doing a four-layer caucus process very convoluted. even the old gop chairman called
it cumbersome, it did not elevate the will of the people and the denver post editorial board said this whole thing was -- >> there can be a lot of criticism of it, but i keep coming back to the rules being the rules. whether you like them or not, donald trump's campaign knew for as long as senator cruz's campaign knew what the rules were. didn't donald trump -- it's a question i asked him last night. he said he didn't get outfoxed or outplayed on the ground. how can you say he didn't? i don't understand how he can't say he didn't get outmaneuvered on the ground. >> this is why donald trump is adding layers and people to his campaign. he understands he did get outmaneuvered. >> he says it doesn't -- it wouldn't have mattered how many they had there or their skill-set because the system is rigged to -- >> but that's plays to his base. this was a little kabuki going on. that's why he's doing this. but i think he also understands that he needs to figure this out if he wants to win.
>> really, i truly believe one of the most despicable things this campaign season is the aspersions the trump campaign has cast on people who beat him fairly. just this weekend we saw his newly appointed convention manager accuse the cruz campaign of gestapo tactics. that is a loathsome thing to say about another republican. i mean the analogy is terrible. but to accuse another person of essentially engaging in fraud, repeatedly, illegal coordinating activity is a big deal. and this is a reason many conservatives don't trust donald trump with any sort of federal power. >> the other reality is that, you know, trump can complain about losing in colorado, losing in these other caucus and convention states. but if you just go by the will of the people and look at the popular vote, trump has a higher share of delegates than he does of the overall popular vote. if you just ran every percentage of popular vote gets you a percentage of delegates, he'd
never get to 1,237 delegates. so all the convoluted -- this is a convoluteds process but he's benefited from it more than lost from it. >> ted cruz could be complaining the system is corrupt because he's got -- >> give it a couple of months. >> the thing with the delegates is the quality of the delegates. on the first ballot, yes, 45% of obligated to vote for donald trump but on the second ballot, a lot of them are not, in fact, trump supporters. they've been cruz supporters put in their place and they are not trump supporters. they are not representative of the popular vote. >> why which is why if it goes to a second ballot -- >> making sure you have grassroots actvisits on the ground who will give up their weekends, travel to these party meetings to show they're committed to a candidate. yes, on the first ballot if donald trump fails to meet that 1237 number, they become unbound and eventually the party will have a consensus candidate. >> i just don't understand a guy who is well known for, you know,
creating this incredible corporation as he'll repeatedly say. would not have early on -- i mean maybe he didn't expect to get this far or didn't plan on it. not to have put an organization in plas. maybe he thought the rallies were so great and so much media attention that's all he had to do. but it seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the process and how it works. >> traditionally, and that's what's makes it hard to be a donald trump supporter right now. he should be the front-runner but the party is not falling in behind him because there's so many people who don't trust him. he thought if i can have this air war, win these contests, people will essentially be bullied into supportingmy. conservatives aren't going along. >> he's challenging the party. he's a threat to the party and -- >> the party establishment is -- >> there is a deep philosophical question here, right, which is what is the party nomination process? we have moved over the last 30 years to a system where there is
more primaries, more voting, less power to party activists in certain ways, although it's more complicated than that. but basically, so people have these sort of competing senses of what the process is. is the process the party as an institution coming together and picking the nominee or is it just the people who vote picking the nominee? >> more broadly, what does the party stand for which is a struggle we've been having for years. >> it's different from saying the process is cumbersome and maybe ought to be revised from saying the process is rigged. >> a lot more to talk about. coming up, we turn to the democrats who are gearing up for the debate in brooklyn tomorrow night. bernie sanders and hillary clinton both in brooklyn tonight. hear what bernie sanders said to chris cuomo moments ago. and stay tuned for ted cruz and his wife heidi taking questions from me and voters in our audience. the cnn republican town hall begins at the top of the hour.
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bronx. first let's check in with the sanders campaign. huge crowd at the washington square in greenwich. big turnout with a lot of celebrity support for senator sanders. what's it been like, chris? >> you know, these bernie sanders rallies are something to behold. as you're well aware, thousands and thousands of people here. they've been here for a long time and waiting for the man speaking behind us right now, senator bernie sanders. he's standing under the famous arch in washington square park in new york city. the saying on it is significant. this spot was picked for a reason by the sanders campaign. it says "let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair." and the senator has been talking about what that means about incremental change is not enough. he's naming out his opponents and the crowd is going wild when he's saying people cannot divide. inkremtsal change is not enough talking about clinton, talking about trump. yes, rosario dawson was here.
yes, spike lee was here. spike lee, referencing the famous line from malcolm x about are you tired of being bamboozled, led astray, run a k amok. but the big introduction was from the local transit workers association. that's a kcovete eed endorsemen new york state. that was big. but tonight isn't just about politics for senator sanders. bernie sanders is from brooklyn. he came through this park as a kid, as a teen. and to now be here with all these thousands of people calling his name, what did it mean to him? here's what's he had to say. >> the message matters but so does the man. bernie sanders is from brooklyn. to be in washington square park, which i know you came to and came through as a kid, as a teen, to be here tonight with tens of thousands of young people shouting your name, believing in you, what does it
mean from where you came from and where you are tonight in the same place? >> i grew up in brooklyn in a 3 1/2-room rent-controlled apartment of a family that did not have a lot of money. standing here tonight with the support of so many thousands of people is very humbling experience. it's a very, very moving experience. and i'm going to do everything that i can to make sure i do not let these people down. >> an emotional moment for him. chris, are you getting a sense how the senator plans to debate senator clinton tomorrow night? >> we asked him about it. and he said his stock line of, i want it to be about policy and contrasting views. he said i believe that our vision is the one that people are resonating wths. i believe what's what will make a difference. i asked him if he's going to win. he says, yes, if turn out is high. i asked him if it would be different tomorrow night in tone from what we've been hearing. he said we'll see. i'll tell you tomorrow night. >> all right. chris cuomo, thanks very much. now to the clinton campaign
and joe johns. what's the latest from there, joe? >> reporter: hillary clinton arrived here in the bronx at 8:00 eastern time. probably just an hour or so later than she was expected to arrive, and she showed up late because of the politics of organized labor. one of the many things creating the political swirl here right now. verizon telecommunications has workers out on strike right now. hillary clinton went over to verizon store before coming here to meet with some of those workers on the picket line and talk to them. her campaign also put out a statement about that. meanwhile on the left she was being hit by the fact that her 2013 tax return shows she got something like $225,000 from verizon for a speech she gave
that year. and the day started also with more on the verizon trek on the bernie sanders side. sanders who actually was endorsed in december by the communication workers of america, the group out on strike. in fact, sanders went today to the picket line and marched with many of those verizon workers. so a lot of talk about organized labor here among other things in the run-up to the debate tomorrow. >> and the recent polling suggests clinton does hold a lead here in new york. strong lead. with a massive rally going on for sanders in new york, it's a lead she certainly cannot take for granted. >> certainly cannot take for granted because the sanders campaign loves to say that their candidate closes well. he may be down in the polls. we've seen it again and again across this country. and in the closing days, he finds a way to bring it close
and in some ways he's won some elections just like that. so the hillary clinton campaign double-digit lead for sure, making sure bernie sanders doesn't catch up to them if they can do anything about it. >> joe johns, thank you. a lot to talk about ahead of tomorrow night's debate. joining me naomi constance, a sanders supporter, paul begala, adviser to a pro-hillary clinton superpac and longtime adviser to president clinton in the '90ss and chief political analyst gloria borger. paul, how confident are you about hillary clinton's lead in new york? >> joe is right. you can't take anything for granted. she ran and won twice in new york. that helps. bernie grew up here. he's having this massive rally. it's going to be a great race. she's more likely to win. tonight they are both playing to their strengths. hillary is in the bronx which is maybe the most diverse neighborhood in america, right? bernie is in like -- >> the village.
>> the whitest, richest part. maybe not the richest, but -- >> young. >> a lot of young, white individuals. >> bohemian. >> the kind of folks that like bernie and hillary, the kind of folks that like hillary. there's more people of color, moderates and older folks who are for hillary than there are young white liberals for bernie. i will say it's really important joe pointed out. she stopped at the communication workers of america to show solidarity with a union that's endorsed her opponent. she showed them respect. she didn't insult them. that's a -- >> how much is to nullify the hit of having spoken for verizon, been paid by verizon for a speech earlier? >> and seeing bernie sanders on air earlier today giving a speech, a rousing speech in front of these workers who were picketing all day long. this is the first day they went out there and picketed and he was on the front lines. he didn't cross the lines.
he showed his support and it was unexpected. to go back to an earlier point paul made. it's not just young people. he has everybody but and he's growing into the african-american population. he is split with latino population, not so much in new york but other parts of the country. and doesn't have women over the age of 65. >> but a huge deficit with hillary clinton among african-americans. >> he's really pushing through right now trying to make strides. >> washington square park is the campus of nyu. if you want to find young people, they are all over washington square park. >> it's also symbolic. i ran offer here from there. it was a moving moment. powerful about seeing the crowd. it was a multicultural crowd. new york is still multicultural and full of immigrants from all over the world. it's not like it's hard to get to washington square park from other neighborhoods. this is a symbolic moment for him. just a few weeks ago, hillary clinton was leading by 30 points. now she's up by just a dozen points.
>> senator sanders picked up some endorsements. senator merkeley was one. >> he's got one now. and what i want to know is where's elizabeth warren, the great liberal democrat in the senate who has not endorsed anybody at this point. if elizabeth warren were to endorse bernie sanders -- >> you'd have to reject an endoerment because her state went for hillary. >> if you want to make the point superdelegates -- they are in the rules when bernie joined the party five minutes ago, and -- >> come on. he's been caucusing with the party for 30 years. >> i love that he's running as a democrat. >> vermont is a different type of state. >> he is cross-pressured here. if you believe superdelegates should go with their voters, some of the key delegates he's had would have to switch. >> what he's trying to do tonight at this rally is to
mobilize his supporters and to tell these voters that they ought to get out there. he is behind by 12 or 13 points. that's a large loss to make up for. so by having these huge rallies, which hillary clinton by the way goes out of her way not to have. she could have large rallies if she wanted to. she doesn't because she -- they don't think the venue is great for her. >> you believe there's an enthusiasm gap? >> i've been to both. i've seen some gaps. her crowd was not large. she's got an older demographic. they have seats. i respect them and that's really important to have those intimate locations, i guess you can say, but bernie sanders is a force. you cannot downplay the fact he's been able to mobilize a group of voters that have not voted before. a group of voters that have felt disaffected. part of the democratic party that is acting in response to the fact that hillary is the presumed nominee. he's been able to coalesce these
different coalitions, these different groups of voters for the first time. even before barack obama. this hasn't happened in a long time. one more point. new york is a different state than it was when hillary is here. this is after the recession. all the people coming out for bernie sanders' rallies, all of his support, these are people responding to feeling hurt, to deeg damaged by the economy. they haven't been able to do well even though the economy has recovered. >> it's a closed primary coming up in new york. >> those have tended to favor hillary. they each have to find a way to break out into the other person's core constituency. but it's funny. i was stumbling trying not to insult young people or old people. this is the democratic party. >> what if they provided seats for the older folks at the hillary clinton rally? >> but there's a myth of momentum. there is no momentum. there is only mathematics. where there are lots of young white people, bernie will win. he has a coalition of the young
and very young and white and very white and liberal and ultra liberal. but he'll win every state like that. more to come that he'll win. where there's a more diverse population, hillary will win. >> he wins with young people, period. >> some places in smaller demographics -- >> his plan is to get the superdelegates to switch? you'll never do it until you start winning, wonning, winning. >> we've got a lot more to talk about ahead. and the cnn democratic debate tomorrow. wolf blitzer moderates. the stakes could not be higher. that's at 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn tomorrow night. bernie sanders already knows what it's like to go head-to-head with hillary clinton. the question is what will it be like if and when secretary clinton and donald trump end up facing off, if she is, in fact, the nominee? that is next. there are two billion people
candidates and their families starts less than 20 minutes from now. tonight, ted cruz and his family. last night donald trump. one brought up his contentious standing among women given his statements over the years. the latest poll shows that 73% of female voters have a negative view of trump. last night's town hall, melania trump said the fact he's willing to treat women shows the fact that he thinks they're equal. >> he treats everyone equally. so if you are a woman and he attacks, they attack him, he will attack back no matter who you are. we are all human and he treats them equal as men so i think that's very important. he doesn't make a difference. and he encourage everybody, you are a man or a woman. >> it's an issue sure to come up if it's trump against clinton. we wanted to talk about that and also tomorrow's clinton/sanders
debate. joining us is rick lazio who ran against clinton for senator in 2000. essentially donald trump was telegraphing his strategy in the town hall last night. his strategy for going against secretary clinton. what do you think that battle is going to look like if they are the nominees? >> shoring up his favorability among women. he can do it. i think melania is exactly right. the fact he equally has attacked women and men means he's not sexist. he's attacked carly fiorina and marco rubio. i agree that his challenge will be standing on a debate stage across from hillary and making sure he goes after her fervently for many of the scandals many argue she was engaged in. but he does it in a way not condescending. the gender gap is very different when it's a male and female. it shouldn't be that way. gender expectations shouldn't play in but it's a reality. >> what do you see as her strengths and weaknesses as a
candidate? >> she'll be well schooled, organized, prepared. she's going to be as a debater, she'll be on her game. i don't think she'll make many forced errors. also a weak sentenness is not spontaneous, not very inspiring. she'll stick to her playbook. it will be up to whoever the republican opponent or tomorrow night in the case of bernie sanders, to make her look luke an uninspiring representative of a corrupt political machine. and they'll have to pummel away at that. i think donald trump or republican candidate that's more conservative that's more sensitivity, i think they can't cross the line. my recommendation is to stay at the stage, by the way. don't leave the podium. but don't shy away from holding her accountable for her positions. one of the strengths of trump is he's pretty bold and probably will leave no quarter in terms of her trying to pivot away and try to dismiss questions.
>> if it is these two, do you think this is just going to be a scorched earth, no holds barred epic battle? >> it will be asymmetrical warfare. >> how? >> i don't believe trump's got any touch or depthness or nuance. he's a blow torch. hillary is mostly a neared, a wonk. she doesn't have snappy one-liners that pop into her head during the debate. she doesn't. her game is better than his. in other words, people much more interested in what you're going to do for them than how you can attack someone. and with respect -- by the way, his family is fantastic. if there's any way he can get his family out there on the stage to do what they did with you. with respect to mrs. trump, when he attacks women it's often about their looks. he attacked carly fiorina. he called rosie o'donnell a pig
and horrible things. he attacked megyn kelly suggesting her hormones made her ask hard questions. those are different attacks than women. >> he also attacked marco rubio's looks. you look back at tim pawlenty and michele bachmann. he attacked her in a way that came off very sexist and within a week he was out of the race. donald trump needs to study rick lazio's debate and really accomplish this gender dynamic. >> it is interesting because i think back to one of the debates with carly fiorina when asked about the face comment and she used -- i thought her answer was very interesting. she used humor somewhat but didn't directly sort of go after donald trump but she said, you know, that all women know what he meant by that. and it was -- i thought it was pretty powerful at the time. i'm wondering how much hillary
clinton will have learned from watching donald trump in debates and perhaps vice versa. >> going back to what paul said, hillary will be very good if she has -- if she stays on script and the questions are predictable and that her opponent doesn't really challenge her in ways she doesn't expect. if she's going to go off script and be spontaneous to think of something clever like carly did in that particular point, that's not her strejt. th if the crowds aren't as big as bernie sanders, when you poll democrats, they are sort of saying, you know, i like her but she's not exciting. and so she's not clever on her feet. she's not -- she doesn't have the retail genius of bill clinton, her husband. and she knows that. so i think she'll stick to what she does well which is to do her homework, stay on message and
hope she doesn't get pushed in a direction or have to compete with somebody like trump who might just be much more effective, spontaneous and clever. >> congressman, thanks for being with us. paul, kayleigh. coming up at the top of the hour, 360 republican town hall, ted cruz and his family. we'll introduce you to them right after a quick break. didn'. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all, my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. every someday needs a plan. let's talk about your old 401(k) today. ♪ ♪
in just a few minutes we're bringing you the third and final 360 republican town hall. ted and heidi cruz talking to voters. >> it's heidi cruz calling, wife of u.s. senator and presidential candidate hited cruz. this not a recording. >> reporter: personally dialing voters to ask them to support ted cruz. she is not the type to sit on the sidelines. >> ted and i are a partnership. and it has been the hallmark of our marriage since day one. >> reporter: that partnership is in full swing with heidi on leave from her job as an investment manager at goldman sachs. as heidi tells it, she was ted's first fan, though today she has plenty of fans of her own. >> heidi! heidi! >> reporter: she's her husband's
chief fund-raiser, helping to raise over $50 million last year. the california-born heidi nelson studied economics and international relations in college. a family trip to washington when she was a child reportedly got her interested in politics. her mother told "the washington post" that by fifth grade, heidi announced she hoped to attend harvard business school which she later did after a short stint on wall street. she met her future husband while working for the george w. bush campaign in 2000. she told fox news why she was so attracted to ted. >> he has a deep, deep intelligence but at the same time, he's a lot of fun. ted has an incredible command of pop culture, too much for his own good probably. he's a big movie buff. >> reporter: the couple has two young daughters. both were featured in this 90-second campaign ad for iowa that slammed hillary clinton. >> i know just what i'll do. i'll use my own server and no one will be the wiser.
>> reporter: they don't say much on the campaign trail but they're prominently featured on facebook n instagram. ted cruz posted this. >> two beautiful snow angels. get your wings, too. >> reporter: and more recently this photo from the cheese state, wisconsin. but not everything goes as planned with kids on the campaign trail. this photo op where cruz's older daughter shrugged off his kiss went viral. memories from campaign 2016 all part of the cruz family history. randi kaye, cnn, new york. that does it for us this hour. up next the 360 republican family town hall with ted and heidi cruz. . before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time and 2% back at the grocery store. even before he got 3% back on gas. kenny used his bankamericard cash rewards credit card
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[ applause ] good evening. welcome to town hall night again here on "360." last night donald trump and his family. right now his leading rival ted cruz and his family only six days before the primary. >> toernths he says he's winning and donald trump is whining. >> yelling and screaming. i'm sure some cursing. a lot of whining. >> no love lost between the candidate who slammed new york values and his new york opponent. >> donald has no solutions to the problems we're facing. >> and it's gotten personal. >> i d