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>> that's true. you do sometimes. >> i stopped singing because she oversings me. >> i'm sure many families can relate. >> i would love to hear you singing on the campaign bus. >> hi, mr. cruz. thank you for being here. >> in response to a question regarding his weaknesses in a redebate, your husband said i might not be the guy that you want to get a beer with but i'll be the one to drive you home. he recognized that likability was a potential problem for many supporters. a lot of the polls have shown that -- recently have shown about 60% of respondents say
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they have an unfavorable view of your husband. as his wife and someone who knows him better than anyone else, can you give us insight of why your husband may be likable that the general public doesn't know? >> think about the context of this. people aren't talking about knowing ted and knowing what it's like to hang out and be with him. they're talking about the projection of the news media and those in washington who have not been working for the american people. one thing i said in the other day when asked does ted have a lot of friends, i said one of the greatest things about marrying ted cruz of the opportunity to hang out with all of his friends, they're incredible people. ted is a great game player, he'll stay up all night, he's a lot fun, he's a movie buff, he's quick to laugh and doesn't take
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himself too seriously. he's been in the environment of an congress that has an 11% approval rating from the american people. and there are a lot of people who haven't been saving the issue you the day. ted's been trying real hard to advance the ball. he's not afraid to call things as he sees them and to move things forward. so i feel very, very confident that when things are aligned properly in washington, when we have a president that has been elected on a mandate from the people, from all of you to get things done, there are a lot of great people in congress who are going to want to act, who are going to be willing to act and ted is going to get along just great with them because we're all going to be aligned again. we've had the problem of a liberal president executing things in executive order that's against the world of people and ted's been standing up for you in an environment that's been really tough. >> thank you for your question. this is kaitlin grainer, she's undecided. she has a question for mrs. cruz. >> thank you for being here.
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i was wondering if there were any okbstacles that might have seen like a downfall but have contributed to your success? >> we're all human and all came in and had dreams and hopes and aspirations. for me certainly and maybe for many of us our path to getting there has been a little bit different than we've second and maybe where we ended up is a little different than we expected. i certainly did not expect to be married of someone who was running for president. i dreamed of being in the business world, which i was and have been. there have been transition points in my life. the thing that has helped me grow the most are those transition points. i just want to convey to people when you hit the roughest patches, be so grateful for them because though are the times that you grow.
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i listen to christian music frequently, it inspires me. one song that inspired me so much is that when we come to our source of source of hope or aspiration or god in brokenness or tough times it's an opportunity to show this higher power that this earth and destiny is his story. when we are broken, it's an opportunity for him to put his fingerprints all over our story. i would encourage you, young women, young men, all of us to remember to humbly start over again when you hit a rough patch because it's got to be the beginning of something great. >> bill burgess, president of an international search firm in new york, said he undecided and has a question for you, senator cruz.
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>> i'm concerned about employment and economic empowerment. i often ask my candidates what is your favorite movie? i heard that you said your favorite movie is "the princess bride." heidi, i'd like to know what you and your girls, what are your favorite movies? what you ask that question, it kind of gives you insight of their values and where that's coming from. >> that's a tough question for me because i don't want a lot of movies. i wish i did. i think it's a matter of time or desire. i'm just going to answer you truthfully. my movie watching time tends to be some real down time where i'm kind of just having fun and i always enjoyed that silly movie from a long time ago called "legally blond." i'm sorry i can't give you a great inspirational answer.
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my last answer was more inspirational. >> i want you to meet michelle, she lives in nassau, she's lannila leaning towards voting for you and has a question for you, mrs. cruz. >> my question is what will you miss most about living in texas? >> should the voters decide that ted should be their next president and we should be their next family, the thing i would miss the most is perhaps the beautiful sunsets and the people that are unendingly accepting, unendingly focused on capabilities of what you can do, what you're going to do next, not where you came from, not what address you have and what your position is but what you can do for your community. and i applaud the people of texas for a can-do attitude, a non-judgmental attitude. i know that's representative of
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america. so will continue to find that in this country. but i love that about texas and i love our sun sets. >> senator cruz, same question to you. >> let me comment on the last two questions. >> heidi grew up on the rural farm, they didn't have a television set. her parents are amazing people, they were missionaries and they're amazing athletes. her dad climbed mount everest. so for family events they would go out and hike and exercise and exercise like crazy. so when it comes to movies, she didn't grow up watching movies. when we got married -- i am a movie buff. on date night i always want to go see movie and heidi? the demonstration of true love goes to the movies with me and then promptly falls asleep in the movies. heidi can't sit still for two
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minutes so two hours is agony so she takes a nap. she is a california girl. the day we won the senate race, caroline looked up and said, "mommy, you can't tell people you're from california anymore." >> aside from "princess bride," is there a second? >> aside from "princess bride," "the godfather," all three of the "godfather" movies. and another wonderful movie is "amazing grace." it's the story of a man who led the opposition to slavery in england.
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it's amazing -- it starts -- you know the gospel hymn "amazing grace", it was actually written by someone -- i didn't know until i saw the movie and read the book, the person who wrote "amazing grace" had been the captain of a slave ship. he recanted and became a friar. you think of the words, the horrors that the captain of a slave ship has murdered and tortured human beings, as wretched a human being you can imagine someone captaining a slave ship and he says i once was lost and now i'm found, was blind but now i see. the movie focuses a little bit on that individual but then william wilburforce was a young member of parliament and at the time britain was the greatest
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slave trading empire in the world. it was like -- it was like someone in new york city going and campaigning and saying we're going to eliminate wall street. it's like someone in texas saying we're going to shut down the oil industry. it was a crazy thing for wilburforce to stand up. he was a lonely voice in parliament saying the slave trade is gross, it is immoral, it is wrong and over the course of 50 years fighting and highlighting what happens, the movie ends with an historic vote to end and ban the slave trade. and it is as inspirational a movie as you've ever seen about the power of justice and truth and people to come together and stand up against evil. >> i want to thank senator cruz, heidi cruz, as well as caroline and katherine. thank you so much. it's great to meet you. a special thanks as always to the voters here for their questions. tomorrow night a cnn democratic debate. wolf blitzer will moderate and we'll have complete coverage before and after. we go now to "cnn tonight" with
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don lemon. thank you, anderson. breaking news, ted cruz and his wife heidi cruz take questions at our town hall with their two daughters with them. and as ted cruz tries to win over voters in our town hall tonight, an overflow crowd of 27,000 people cheered on bernie sanders in new york's washington square park tonight. we'll tell but that as well. let's discuss all of this with my politically dream team, kellyanne conway, mr. david gregory, chief analyst gloria borger, dana bash joins our crew tonight, matt lewis and kayleigh mcenany a cnn commentator and a trump supporter.
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>> gloria, havei have to ask yo watching those cute little girls tonight -- >> build a bear. >> i learned a lot tonight. >> any time you see a candidate with his intelligent, smart wife and children, you get to see another side of them. the vote you ks for president of the united states is a very personal vote. i don't think it erases political differences or anything else, you can't overstate it, but i do think it lifts the veil a little bit and it's important for voters. >> did you coordinate with the cruz family? >> i did. we called each other up and said we're going to have a build a bear party and what are you
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wearing? and i said yellow and -- >> and what do you think, david? >> the looking glass of a campaign shine as really hard spotlight of who these people are, the rough and tumble of candidates. when you see people with their spouse, with his kids, it's humbling. you get a sense of the every day, what their life is like, what they care about. it gives us a more complete sense of who they are. >> you said overplay the politics. >> i was just holding back, pacing myself. >> one of the questions out of the gate was the intense battle over delegates and trump calling the whole process rigged. watch this.
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>> last night donald trump was sitting here and he told me that the rules are stacked against him. you heard this before, he's been saying it a lot, that the rules are stacked against him, that there are shenanigans going on. do you agree? >> the way you get elected is you win a majority of delegates. there have been 11 elections in four states and we've beaten donald in all 11 elections. he's unhappy about that because he's losing in the polls. i guess he thinks he should attack the voters. >> does he just not have the ground game? he said even if he had more people in colorado --
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>> he's right. he would have lost. for the last three weeks he's lost over and over again. donald has a hard ceiling in most states of about 30, 35%. he did well early in the race when there were 16 candidates because the votes were dispersed. now that the field has narrowed, we're seeing republicans are banding together and we're beating him over and over again. >> i remember when the establishment wasn't with ted cruz. holding their nose, kicking and screaming and the anti-trump movement is sort of the great equalizer in getting everybody behind ted cruz. i do think there was a very clever moment that anderson had
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where he said, wait a minute, talking about maybe not dirty tricks but, you know, rigged moments, the fact that he sent out -- he, ted cruz -- sent out a fund-raising notice saying if you give x number of dollars, you can be a deputy cruz delegate, which doesn't exist. he said it's a fund-raising tool and it's not real but, you know what, not everybody gets that. >> it's like getting the wings when you get off the airplanes. that doesn't make you a pilot. speaking of anderson. hello anderson, great debate again. we were talking about what a service this does for the candidates and for the voters because you get to know a different side of them.
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>> the audience has remained and they're singing happy birthday to caroline cruz. engaging with the candidate one-on-one, trying to ask tough question, news of the day type questions and bring in the families and it's up to the viewers and audience. and a lot of the questions from the audience members was really about the family dynamics, things like that you don't normally hear in a debate or town hall. for those wanting nothing but tough questions, they're not going to get that. as many of your panelists were saying, it's interesting to see them with their families and interacting. the cruzes wanted their kids to come up on the stage. it's noting is we suggested. it came from ted and heidi cruz, they wanted the kids to come up on stage so that's what they did. any time can you see the family die naynamics
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dynamics, it's another side of the family and another factor they take into the voter booth. >> and they learned a lot about build a bear and the american girl doll store. i went in there once but there were too many dolls there. >> i started talking to caroline and she told me it was her birthday and she wanted to go to the american girl doll store. and that's foremost in her mind because she's mentioned it several times in the time i've talked to her. >> you got to see the different sides of these candidates. do you think they moved the needle at all, though? >> i don't know. it was interesting in the donald trump town hall last night we had i think three people in the audience who came in saying they weren't sure but they were thinking of voting for donald trump who said last night convinced them to vote for donald trump. clearly in most of the polls,
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quinnipiac poll, new york one poll, donald trump is way out in front. i don't know how much any of this moved the needle but i do think for many people around the country, it's a chance to see these candidates in a different light. we've had plenty of tough, contentious interviews over the last months and plenty of debates, though senator cruz would like more debates, which i understand but it does allow us to see them in a different light. >> and the democratic debate tomorrow night. kellyanne, ted cruz was asked about the gestapo tactics. oh, you were over there last night. watch this. >> his new convention manager said his folks are using gestapo tactics. >> i have to say, anderson, it
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is bizarre. donald and his team, it's almost look they're subjects in a clinical course in psychology. there are all sorts of different behaviors they display but one of them is projection. the conduct they do regularly they accuse everyone else of doing. so literally in the last few weeks donald's team, roger stowe, his chief political adviser, was threatening to out the hotel room of delegates who dared to cross trump so they could be intimidated. they're acting like union boss thugs. in colorado, i spoke to the chairman of the republican party in colorado, trump supporters put out his home address, his phone numbers, he got thousands of phone calls and death threats. trump supporters were telling people to go to his house and bring guns. violence doesn't belong in the campaign. police are reporting threats of
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violence against delegates from the trump cam pan. >> roger stowe has left the trump campaign. >> he said he has. >> you think he's still in the campaign? >> i think he's their everyoneman, heeveryonhenchman. he's doing the dirty work. >> donald doesn't like he's losing the election. >> is the trump campaign intimidating people, kellyanne? >> it seems like it. we hear from the trump campaign the rules are not fair, the system is corrupt, it's rigged and yet very clearly it was laid out there that stephen house, the party chair of colorado, has received over 3,000 calls since the convention, all of them nasty and he posted on facebook when i hear about burials and my
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family mentioned in the same sentence, this isn't politics, this isn't democracy, it's crazy. you can whine and complain all you want, you changed the rules -- i would say there's analysis that donald trump won 35% of the popular vote and 42% of the delegates. apparently they like those rules. there's no place in politics and i hope kayleigh will back me up on this, there's no place in politics for the nazi, gestapo politics. >> don't you think cruz is just doing a better job with delegates? >> no, i don't think so. because donald trump is ahead in the delegates. he's won more than double states of ted cruz. >> but working the rules, though -- >> can i quickly just address some of the things that kellyanne says? >> yes. >> you're saying trump
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supporters are indicative of what trump stands for. roger stone does not work with the campaign. there's a controversy -- >> he -- >> kellyanne, i got to finish. there's controversy over whether he was fired on the campaign or quit. he left on not good terms. >> he's involved, i promise. >> the only personal who has been accused of dirty tactics was governor kasich accusing cruz in engaging in double -- >> so it's okay that people are being threatened. >> there are accusations by both candidates that ted cruz -- >> i'm sorry, you're a very nice be person, but are you going to look the viewers in the eyes and tell them it's a false report that they say they will publish where the hotel is.
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>> we saw it on video so we can't say it's false but -- >> i'd like to see donald trump stand up and say cut the crap. >> i would like to see ted cruz stand up against the people in michigan -- >> there's a couple of things hurting donald trump. the first thing was the calendar. there were two weeks before wisconsin, he looked like he was going to lose all the way and he loses and then two weeks after. he's been in this vacuum where i think he's had politically a desire to distract that he had lost and the idea that the stop trump movement was gaining some traction. he's on course to do very well in new york and throughout the northeast and that will quiet some of that down.
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it is also true has he misplayed some of it and he can catch up. here's the other big problem. the reason he's in this situation is because he's not a majority candidate. he's not getting above 50%. because a he faces is usual, which is a dedicated movement to oppose him within his party. usually you have consolidation around the front-runner so it's keeping him below 50%. these combination of factors have created this difficulty. winning in new york will do a lot to correct that. >> at this point in a campaign when you have a candidates that been consistently ahead, consistently the front-runner, i think this pushback that they're
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getting is something perhaps they didn't anticipate, which is why they've been so far behind on the ground game in terms of delegate selection because maybe there is a sense they didn't need to do that. right? >> i'm going to get you in, matt. you sat there quietly but you're going to have to wait. you're awfully quiet tonight. 27,000 people flooding new york's washington square park tonight for bernie sanders's rally there. stay with us for our brooklyn democratic race tomorrow night beginning at 9:00. we have much more reaction to tonight's town hall with ted cruz, his wife heidi and his two lovely daughters. at mfs investment management, we believe in the power of active management. by debating our research to find the best investments.
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with less than one week to the new york primary, ted cruz and heidi cruz take questions at the town hall. dana, anderson asked cruz about his comparison of trump to the
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godfather's michael corleone. >> you compared donald trump to the lead character of "the godfather." you said he needs to understand he's not michael corleone, needs to stop threatening the voters and delegates. do you actually think donald trump is threatening voters and delegates? >> i was very glad to wake up this morning and i didn't find a horse's head in my bed. that was comforting. listen, i think it is grotesque to have a campaign that engages in threatening voters. donald trump at his rallies have told his supporters to punch that protester in the face. i have protesters at my rallies. i'll engage them in political discourse. if they're disruptive, law enforcement will remove them. you doesn't have a rig-- don't a
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right to -- >> you believe donald trump is promoting violence. >> he told his supporters to punch that guy in the face. that's not funny. it's not funny when roger stone, who organized and put together trump's delegate campaign is telling people in cleveland we're going to make public your hotel room so people can threaten and intimidate you if you dare -- that's behaving like 1968 chicago. we're not interested in behaving like union thugs. donald trump needs to learn that. >> let's start with the pop culture headline, he liked "godfath "godfather iii" the best. >> i never even saw it. >> i rest my case, your honor.
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i do think he's got a point about the tactics but he's never said that someone should be punched from the podium and he never would, but they all have different variations of raw political tactics. again, violence is not something that that ted cruz or his campaign has ever engaged in but it is a rough and tumble world of politics. the fact that ted cruz really more than any other candidate appeared with his family is critical for him because he does have that likability issue that this helps more than anybody else. >> he needs to show a softer side. at least that's what the word on the street is. "vanity fair" said of all the back room deals cruz is trying to close, his hardest sell is still himself. did he show a softer side?
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>> yes, he did. i thought it was a b plus before the girls came out and an a plus after the girls came out. there's a certain pious -- the girls softened him up. donald trump has made ted cruz into this palatable, moderate guy. you hear when ted cruz is decrying the violence and harsh rhetoric of violence, it's -- >> we all know because we've covered politics and white houses and politics before. at the end of the day people vote on politics and their ideology and the guy they want in their living room every night
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because that's something you cannot measure. >> i want to play this. he was asked if he can beat hillary clinton. that's what's important come the general, right? here's his response. >> you told our dana bash that poll after poll after poll shows you beating secretary clinton. i've heard you say that. that's not exactly accurate. of the nine polls released just in the last month, i won only one and since february 4th, you win two, tied two and lost seven. >> there's been poll after poll after poll that show me beating hillary clinton. most polls show me beating her or tied with her. >> not in the last two months? >> three weeks ago fox news showed me leading hillary clinton by 3 points -- >> that was the only one. >> but there were a whole bunch of them that were just a few weeks earlier.
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ohio just a few weeks ago. i'm leading hillary clinton by 2 points, 47 to 45. let's take wisconsin. wisconsin is a blue state, it hasn't gone republican since 1984. reagan's reelects the last time it went republican. marquette university a couple of weeks ago did a statewide poll, trump loses to hillary in wisconsin by double digits, hillary and i are tied in wisconsin at 44-44. let's take pennsylvania. trump is behind hillary in the general election in pennsylvania, hillary and i are tied in pennsylvania. another historically blue state in presidential races but i believe in the general election we're going to compete and i think beat hillary in pennsylvania. we're seeing that across the country. iowa, another swing state. i'm leading hillary clinton in the state of iowa, donald trump is behind and one final point, young people. obama won young people 70/30 in both lelections. i'm 14 points ahead of hillary
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clinton in young people. >> gloria borger, i hear a fact check coming on. >> oh, my god, my head is exploding. i just love hearing ted cruz and all of these candidates quite frankly say, i don't really care about the polls and then talk only about the polls. i was going to say donald trump had kind of set this new standard here where presidential candidates actually talk about the polls and say you should vote for them because of the polls. john kasich, for example, in new york says, you know, you got to vote for me because i'm the only one who can beat hillary clinton and we just heard this recitation from cruz laying out wisconsin, whatever state he went through exactly how he can do this. and it is the case he's making to everybody, including members of the so-called establishment
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who hate him but now love him, love/hate relationship with becaus cruz. this is all we're hearing. >> i love it when you go to an interview with donald trump, he actually hands you the polls. i know it's coming. it's like here he comes with the polls in his hand. >>. >> the data analytics, the ground game, you need your own operation to do that. the other things i want to say is to quo senator obama since 2008, i think ted cruz is likable enough for this cycle because people are looking -- they're not asking just who is likable, they're asking who is a leader. if you look at hillary clinton's likability ratings, they're actually going in the wrong direction for her. >> hold that thought. hold that thought. we're going to talk about that and more, including who would he like to be his vice president?
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ted and heidi cruz speaking directly to voters and answering their questions tonight at cnn's town hall.
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up saw th-- you saw them. back with my political dream team right here. vp picks. he talked about potential vp picks. >> marco rubio said yesterday he hopes they'll nominate a conservative and the only person is you. you could cut a deal in which basically he gives you his delegates. >> i think very, very highly of marco. he's a very good communicator. when he ran for senate in 2010, his underdog race in florida inspired me, it was one of the inspirations that led me to run two years later in texas. so i think the world of marco -- >> is that really true? you guys had tough words during the campaign.
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is that how it works? >> it's the campaign. i was trying to beat him, he was trying to beat me. that's what happens in a campaign. i consider him a friend -- >> would you consider a cruz/rubio ticket? >> anybody would consider him a candidate for vp -- >> you're not ruling it out. >> he would be someone you would be a fool not to look at very, very seriously. >> i just heard something, gloria said we've been talking about krubio for months. >> paul ryan made point of saying there was not going to be a white knight to run for the party. rubio's got to be in that mix. they can mend fences. if you take rubio out before he got into the race. marco rubio was a guy who came
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up with tea party backing, was a tea party darling when he was elected to the senate. he's a big part of the future of the party. cruz has all the anti-establishment credentials which could come back to hurt him as well when he gets a more thorough scrubbing when he becomes the nominee. right now he's benefiting from the fact that he's a safe haven from those who don't want to nominate trump. rubio is conservative, he's from florida, he provides the kind of contrast they would want with hillary clinton about who is looking to the past, looking to the future. it's an obvious place to begin consideration. >> clinton/gore, they doubled down two young southern guys. this would be two 44, 45-year-old cuban americans, children of immigrants. it's not balancing the ticket but it's reinforcing something republicans actually probably need to reinforce. >> the republican party has been terrible at doing this. it's the republican party that's
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be -- democratic party that's been masterful at electing jfk, jimmy carter. the republican party says let's nominate the person who lost to the person who won. >> those of us who remember the carter presidency field hold. >> they're stuck with hillary and bernie. they don't have that. >> if you're going to a contested convention, that would help a little bit. >> i was going to say, as reagan said, we don't want to exploit our opponent's youth and inexperience, sometimes having the reaganesque candidate -- who would that be? >> donald trump i would argue. >> i didn't want to hear that.
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>> can he unite the establishment and get trump supporters on his side? >> if he were the nominee, who would be in for rough treatment about the kind of colleague he's been in the senate, his positions of shutting down the government on obama care that put him at odds with the rest of the party, let alone with the general electorate that he wants to try to court. i think he face as lot of difficulty. i'm not sure that he in the election era of trump, i'm not sure that those backers, many of whom may not have voted before, are easily going to slide over somewhere else. i think they may be its own base and that's why he, trump, is such a wild card. >> the question is tonight, what does taylor swift have to do
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back now with my -- >> dream team! >> are you paying attention, david gregory? we often wonder what the next president that the next president will bring to 1600 pennsylvania avenue. nancy reagan fixed it up. here's what taylor swift has to do with a possible cruz white house. >> who is the one person that you can't wait to invite over for dinner? >> well, let me answer -- caroline, why don't you answer to that question. who do you most want to invite to the white house if we win. >> you say it, katherine. >> who do you want to invite over for dinner, katherine? >> no, caroline say it.
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>> how about mom says it. >> the girls would love to have their first guest be taylor swift. >> what's your favorite taylor swift song? >> i like all the songs. >> yeah? >> my three favorite is "bad blood," "blank space" and "wildest dreams." >> and they're have karaoke machines they got for christmas and it is a little frightening with the two of them singing taylor swift together. >> we don't sing together. >> that's true. >> it does not match. >> you do sometimes. >> well, i stopped singing because she oversings me. >> i'm sure a lot of families can relate to them singing taylor swift. >> i'd love to see you singing on the campaign bus. >> they outmaneuvered and outsign their dad. >> and they're so natural. >> these are sisters.
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she oversings me. >> there are no "i'm not touching you" moments. which are normal family moments. >> that would happened at my house for sure. to say that it humanizes him makes it seem more superficial than it should be. they are campaigning, both of them, so much that they decided to pull them out of school and they have tutors with them and they're together all the time. and this is a true family affair. >> who do you think this is more important to, this moment was more important for? everyone says john kasich is such a nice guy, right? he has a great family. but donald trump who is so harsh sometimes, especially in media and his comments on the campaign
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trail and ted cruz, they say nobody likes the guy. who was this important for? >> it was important for all of them. the republican party had a really bad week last week and the week prior. there were accusations flying and insults. but this week to see john kasich walking in on the boyfriend and his daughter and to see their families, it was a victory for the party. >> and it comes when the nastiness and rhetoric is getting heated on the democratic side. the knives are getting longer and sharper. >> you don't know what's going to happen, especially when you bring children on. >> they said last night that
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ivanka was donald trump's biggest imprimatur. >> oh, sure. one of the big tests that cruz faces is can he grow out of his base of christian conservative voters? he's got to show he can do that if he's going to do well. >> stick around, everyone. when we come back, how their families have helped and hurt the candidates. and bernie sanders and hillary clinton's duelling rallies in new york city just days ahead. we'll be right back. and it affects each and every one of us. microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cyber-crime. we use the microsoft cloud to visualize information
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