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presidential debate. it's time for the candidates' closing statements. each candidate will have two minutes. senator sanders, you're first. >> i grew up in brooklyn, new york, the son of an immigrant who came to this country from poland at the age of 17 without a nickel in his pocket, never made a whole lot of money but was a very proud american because this country gave him and my mom the opportunity to send their kids to college. i believe that this country has enormous potential if we have the guts to take on the big money interests who dominate our economic and political life. and i disagree with secretary clinton in the belief that you can get money from wall street, that you can get money for a
super pac from powerful special interests and then at the end of the day do what has to be done for the working families of this country. i just don't accept that. what i believe is that this country, if we stand together and not let the trumps of the world divide us up, can guarantee health care to all people as a right, can have paid family and medical leave, can make public colleges and universities tuition free, can lead the world in transforming our energy system and combatting climate change, can break up the large financial institutions, can demand that the wealthiest people in this country start paying their fair share of taxes. and we can do that when millions of people stand up, fight back
and create a government that works for all of us, not just the 1%. that is what the political revolution is about. that is what this campaign is about. and with your help, we're going to win here in new york. thank you! thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> secretary clinton. [ crowd chanting "bernie" ] >> secretary clinton. >> thank you. i am very grateful for the fact that the people of new york gave me the great honor of serving as your senator. you took a chance on me in 2000,
and then you real elected me with one of the biggest margins we've had in our state in 2006. during those years we worked closely together. i tried to have your back and time and time again you had mine. we took on the challenges of 9/11 together, we got the money to rebuild new york, we came to the aid of our brave first responders, construction workers and others who endangered their own health by helping to save lives and search for survivors. we worked to create jobs despite the disastrous policies of george w. bush across new york, and we stood up time and time again against all kinds of vested powerful interests.
i'm asking for your support again in the primary on tuesday to continue that work together, to take what we did in new york and to take those new york values to the white house and put them to work on behalf of all of our people, to knock down the barriers that stand in the way. you know, of course we have economic barriers. i've been fighting against those trying to even the odds most of my adult life, but we also have racial barriers, gender barriers, homophobic barriers, disability barriers. we have a lot of barriers that stand in the way of people being treated as they should and having the chance to live up to their own god-given potential. so i am humbly asking for your support on tuesday. i'll work my heart out for you again. and to the we won't just make promises we can't keep, we will
deliver results that will improve the lives of the people in new york and in america. that's what we'll do! thank you, new york! >> thank you secretary, thank you senator. i want to thanks the candidates for a terrific debate and thanks to dana bash and errol louis and everyone here at the duggal greenhouse at the brooklyn navy yard. anderson cooper picks up our debate coverage right now. and there it is, bernie sanders, hillary clinton after a deeply contentious and often downright combative debate five days before new yorkers go to the polls. we hope to be hearing from the candidates shortly, as well as
fact checking their statements, talking to voters about what they saw and heard tonight. let's get some quick first impressions from our panel, our commentators, democrats bill press, donna brazile, paul begala, paul is for senator clinton, bill is for senator sanders and david, axelrod and what did you hear tonight? >> it was snippy versus chippy. >> there's no love lost here. >> as a democrat i want to see them reunite later. but it was like an old episode of "divorce court." i didn't see hillary doing very much reaching into young voters where she's done very poorly. i don't think the structure of the race changed but the tone t
did. >> bill press, did the structure of the race change? >> i don't think it did but it want personal, it wasn't ugly and want nasty. i think hill have i a better debater but i think bernie held his own. i think they both have enough strength from tonight's debate to keep the fight on till tuesday. >> gloria berge, what did you hear? >> i think it was like a coliseum. these guys do not like each other anymore, and i think the tone was nasty. and i think -- you don't think so? i think it was nasty to a degree. there was sarcasm from bernie sanders when she was talking about wall street and how she called them out and he said, oh, my goodness, they must have been really crushed. right? that was a little sarcastic. >> she had a few jabs, too. >> she jabbed him on guns. i think she got the better of him on the issue of guns, which has always been his weak point.
but i tell you one thing, bernie sanders on the issue of israel in new york city did not change his position saying that there had been a disproportionate response in gaza and i think that's politically tricky for him here. >> tricky, maybe admirable. whatever you think of the position, he certainly didn't cloos choose to pander on it. but i think he had a couple of bad moments in the debate, one on guns. that's been plaguing him since the beginning of this race. he voted his state on guns and it stands in contrast to the image he want to project as a man of progressive principle. the other was when he was asked could he name a specific position that hillary clinton had taken that reflected she had been essentially bribed by the cam mon campaign money she got from wall street and he didn't really have an answer to that. >> jake tapper, your thoughts.
>> news items. we think this is the closest hillary clinton has come to offering something of an apology for the 1994 crime bill, not that she necessarily needs to offer one, but she did say, quote, i'm sorry for the consequences that were ununintended and have had a very unfortunate impact on people lives, something like an apology for the 1994 bill. in addition, there was a moment when clinton was talking about how nobody has overthrown or got rid of assad, which even though -- >> jake, i have to jump in. our jeff zeleny is with senator sanders. let's go to jeff. jeff? >> reporter: senator sanders, thank you for joining us tonight. the tone in this debate seemed so different from those early debates last year and earlier this year. given that tone, how difficult will it be to unify this democratic party? >> i think the tone is different because we have won seven out of the last eight state contests
and i think the clinton campaign and the second are getting a little bit nervous. i think it undeniable we have the momentum. we've been attacked a whole lot by the clinton camp, but i'm feeling very, very good coming into the new york primary on tuesday. and i think, look, to answer your question, there are no democrats that i know, or virtually none, who will desert the democratic party, no matter who wins, to support the republican party. >> are views in step with -- >> i have supported the president on every major gun legislation and initiative that he's brought forth in terms of expanding the instant background check, doing away with the gun show lobby, doing away with this
straw man situation. we've got to get guns out of the hands of those who should not have them. that is my view. >> why not say you were holding that view when you were a senator from vermont, as president you might have a different view? >> well, my view is what it is. and i'll tell you something else. it's very easy to have a point of view which is not going to go anyplace. i honestly believe, you know, we got 50 states in this country. if we're going to succeed and do more than give speeches, we have to create a consensus, and i believe there is a consensus out there which wants to make certain that we get guns out of the hands of people who do not have it. but there are issues like where we disagreed today and i think the world has seen that secretary clinton has a super pac, she has a 401 -- a pac or an organization that raises money without allowing disclosure. i don't think you're able to convince ordinary americans in
new york or anyplace else that you're going to stand up to the drug companies who are ripping us off or wall street when you take their money. >> reporter: on the crime bill, secretary clinton said she regrets her support on the crime bill but you voted for that bill. do you regret that vote? >> in retrospect it led to a lot of awful things. if i had voted the other way, secretary of state with say bernie sanders you had the opportunity to vote against to ban assault weapons and you didn't do that and you had a chance to vote down domestic violence. i do know the bill has caused disastrous problems in mass incarceration and we need to radically reform a broken criminal justice system. but i think the differences between the secretary and me come down to a simple reality. i don't believe you're going to make the changes you need for
working families unless you stand up to the big money interest. i don't think you're going to stand up to the big money interest when you take their money. >> did you forget to mention the bankruptcy bill tonight when you were asked by dana bash to point out some examples of -- >> well -- >> you didn't mention that. was that intentional? >> that was point elizabeth warren made. >> you didn't make the point the. >> i made a few other points. can't make them all. >> she said she helped unified -- >> he said he can't make them all. >> republicans win, jeff, as they did two years ago when voter turnout is low and people are demoralized. democrats and progressives win when there is a high voter turnout. there is no debate, unless you're very partial here, and nonobjective that our campaign has generated the energy, the
enthusiasm. you've been to some of these rallies -- >> a lot of big rallies. >> and a lot of energy. and i believe where secretary and clinton and i disagree, i believe to win you're going to have to reach out to a lot of independents and, by the way, some republicans. we are doing that in this campaign. and i think that the path toward victory in november is a large base, that is what we are creating and that's what i will do as the nominee. >> senator, thank you for your time. anderson, back to you. >> jeff, senator, thank you very much. let's go back to jake. senator sanders saying that secretary clinton is getting nervous based on the last several states that have voted. >> reporter: that's right. this debate was a great debate. one of the things that was so interesting about it is how the candidates basically laid out the major differences between them in terms of governing philosophy. at one point hillary clinton said to senator sanders, "it's easy to diagnose the problem, it's harder to do something to
solve the problem." she said this a few times throughout the night. and bernie sanders went after her at one point for a climate change global agreement that he said, you know, paper is paper. and she disagreed with him and said she's not going to take a back seat to him, he can talk about his legislation that has never passed but she was actually trying to get something done. and this really is the crux of one of the major governing differences between them. he is very idealistic in talking about what can be if democrats get rid of the big money in politics in terms of education, in terms of health care, and she
is, in his crview an i incrementalist. >> we heard that repeatedly. we'll come back to jake. what stood out to you tonight. >> reporter: it's always clear that hillary clinton comes in with a specific plan, she's done her homework but often times seems to know bernie sanders's record better than he does and is able to use it against him. why he didn't know she was going to come in and talk about guns, she's telegraphed some of that previously with the sandy hook parents, for instance, he seemed so unprepared for that, this idea also about i think, you know, that he's a good at sort of diagnosing the problem, not so much fixing the problem. that's something you're going to hear going forward. she hasn't been able in previous debates this idea she's more of a pragpragmatist, he's the drea. i think this framing that he can diagnose the problem but she can
fix it, i think that's something you're going to hear more from her. >> van jones? >> i think more than anything else bernie sanders' stand for palestinian children and palestinian rights was extraordinary. it's not just that it was, you know, interesting politics in new york. it's that i've never seen a democratic candidate trying to be president -- i haven't seen a republican, i haven't seen anybody at his level of the game say, look, let's have a more balanced approach. that takes a level of courage and integrity. you can disagree with it, feel badly or be proud of it but something happened tonight. and part of what is happening with this bernie sanders candidacy and the trump candidacy is that what's possible to talk about in american life is beginning to expand. and i thought that was extraordinary. on the other hand, i thought he got his clock cleaned on the gun question. and it was ugly. i was hoping they would cut to commercial. i mean, it was really, really bad. and he didn't seem to have any
ability to punch back. he could have said, well, you know, you've come a long way from annie oakley. remember? in 2008 she was hugging the gun lobby so much that barack obama called her annie oakley. he had nothing and he looked physically deflated. i think big picture, whatever you say, that was an extraordinary moment in american politics for someone to take the position he took, like it or not. >> donna brazile? >> there's no question the crowd, anderson. we've seen all the excitement on the republican side, big debates, big personalities. tonight you saw on the democratic side two candidates who really wanted to get out there and not just address each other but talk about big issues. this was a loud debate. both candidates cleared the air. we're not going to hear tomorrow that bernie didn't say to hillary's face what he's been
saying behind her back and hillary didn't say to bernie's face what she said behind his back. i kept looking around saying am i at the apollo theater or am i in brooklyn? >> do you think any minds were changed tonight? >> i don't think so. i'm not saying the race is set. a few undecided voters might have come away saying i fell in love tonight, i still like bernie, i still feel hillary's love. the bottom line is we're going to have a big turnout on suess too -- tuesday and will determine the nomination in many ways. >> a tie is not a good result for bernie sanders. it might be a moral victory but he has to start winning some of these big states. the reason the gun issue was so damaging is the consistencies are going to react most vehemently to that issue. the consistencies he has to make
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welcome back. we're down in the spin room with the smoke still clearing with a fiery democratic debate this evening. take a look. >> secretary clinton have the experience and intelligence to be president? of course she does in but i do question her judgment, i question a judgment which voted for the war in iraq, the worst foreign policy blunder in the history of this country, and i question her judgment about running super pacs which are collecting tens of millions of dollars from special interests, including $15 million from wall street. >> senator sanders did call me unqualified. i've been called a lot of things in my life.
that was a first. and then he did say that he had to question my judgment. well, the people of new york voted for me twice to be their senator from new york. and -- and president obama trusted my judgment enough to ask me to be secretary of state for the united states. but if you go and read, which i hope all of you will before tuesday, senator sanders' long interview with the "new york daily news," talk about judgment and talk about the kinds of problems he had answering questions about even his core issue, breaking up the banks. when asked, he could not explain how that would be done. >> some of exchanges tonight. joining suus is the clinton campaign chairman, john podesta. can you answer why she won't
release the speeches to the wall street banks? as dana bash pointed out, she's not running against the republicans right now, she's running against bernie sanders and he said he'll release the transcript of his paid speeches. >> i think she's just tired of being held to a double standard. when this becomes a standard for presidential candidates, she's happy to do it. what has been the standard is to release tax returns. we still haven't seen senator sanders release his, though he said he would release one year tomorrow. there's also not typical of presidential candidates. we'd like to see him go back as the secretary noted, she's had eight years of her tax returns up on her web site and she's released all the tax returns going back to the mid 1970s since she and her husband have been in public office. so let's create a single set of standards for all candidates and
we'll abide by them. >> but surely you understand the perception that if there weren't anything problematic in what she said when she was making those speeches in the transcripts that you would just release them and put this whole topic to bed, wouldn't you? >> well, anderson, she has said what she thinks. she has the most comprehensive plan for wall street. she did it as a senator and she's doing it as a candidate. and, again, what it takes is to have not just a critique of what's wrong but real plans about what you need to do about it. and again, i think doesn't demonstrated that she had a depth of knowledge about what needs to happen across the financial sector, including the shadow banking system, and as senator sanders demonstrated in his "daily news" interview and really again tonight that he claims that he wants to break up the big banks but when he's asked how are you going to do that, he comes up short.
so i think it's easy to kind of define the problem. it's harder to come up with solutions that make a real difference in people's lives. i think she demonstrated that strongly tonight. she had very strong segments on guns and other issues but i think we feel very good about where she came out tonight. >> i guess finally just on this topic, i just i just don't understand, it does seem like there must be something that she said that she would be embarrassed to have come out or else you guys wouldn't keep letting this issue hang out there. >> anderson, if there is something that she said that -- it would have come out and there was reporting on some of those speeches in the "new york times" and other places when she gave them from people who listened to them. so i don't think that's the issue. the issue is is she going to be treated fairly in this campaign. that's what we're trying to establish. >> senator sanders' wife, jane, says she does not think senator
clinton will get enough delegates to clinch the nomination, that the race is definitely going to a contested convention where all bets will be off on who the so-called super delegates would support. you saw them switching in 2008 from then senator clinton to candidate barack obama. are you concerned about that? >> not really. and i'll tell you why. because we're going to win the pledge delegates. we have a 220 pledged delegate lead. but most importantly, we're winning the popular vote. we have 2.3 million more votes than senator sanders does. so it would be a strange democratic revolution if the candidate that won the popular vote, if the candidate that won the elected delegate vote turned around and said having said earlier in the campaign season that the super delegates are an undemocratic form, that he's going to go back to the people he's criticized as party leaders
and say give me your vote to overturn the popular votes that have been cast across the country, overturn the pledged delegates that have been won and hand me the nomination. that's not going to happen. >> john podesta, i appreciate you being here tonight. back with our panel. gloria, david? >> i thought john made a very strong point at the end there that was very compelling. he was about as effective in defending the lack of release of those transcripts as his candidate was in the debate, which is to say not at all. >> it doesn't make any sense. >> there is no -- you made the point several times. they're hurting themselves by not releasing these transcripts and he looked uncomfortable and she looked uncomfortable. now, i will say it's equally bewildering as to why bernie sanders doesn't release his income taxes. i can't imagine -- he says himself i have a very modest
income tax returns. and he says but my wife jane handles them and we've been busy. i would dispatch her. i would say, jane, i love having you on the trail and it's very important, but why don't you go home for a day and grab up those tax returns and release them and end this issue. >> you've raised a huge amount of money. you can get h & r block to get in there and release some returns. let's play the part about the paid speeches tonight. >> secretary clinton called them out. oh, my goodness, they must have been really crushed by this. and was that before or after you received huge sums of money by giving speaking engagements behind them? so they must have been very, very upset by what you did. >> secretary clinton, senator sanders keeps bringing up the speeches you gave to goldman
sachs. you said you don't want to release the transcripts until everybody does it, but if there is nothing in those speeches that you think would change voters' minds, why not just release the transcripts and put this whole issue to bed? >> you know, first of all -- first of all, there isn't an issue. when i was in public service serving as the senator from new york, i did stand up to the banks. i did make it clear that their behavior would not be excused. >> secretary clinton, the question was about the transcripts of the speeches to goldman sachs. >> i have said, look, there are certain expectations when you run for president. this is a new one, and i've said if everybody agrees to do it because there are speeches for money on the other side, i know that. >> just to put a button on this,
you're running now for the democratic nomination. >> right. >> and it is your democratic opponent and many democratic voters who want to see those transcripts. it's not about the republicans. >> you know, let's set the same standard for everybody. when everybody does it, okay, i will do it, but let's set and expect the same standard on tax returns, everybody does it and then we move forward. >> thank you. >> well, let me respond. secretary clinton, you just heard her, everybody else does it, she'll do it, i will do it. i am going to release all of the transcripts of the speeches that i gave on wall street behind closed doors not for $225,000, not for 2,000, not for 2 cents. there were no speeches. >> gloria? >> he had a real opportunity there that i think he kind of
blew, which was to say, okay, i'm going to release the past ten years of my income taxes, it may take a little bit longer if jane has to do it or h & r block has to do it, but then you need to promise, democrats, that you're going to release the transcripts of your speeches. wall street is an issue, a big issue between these two candidates. and why would hillary clinton want to hide anything unless she had something to hide? she said it's a double standard? well, it's really just a new standard because wall street is an issue, and i believe that hillary clinton probably has nothing to hide so release the transcripts. >> part of the thing is, too, the way it happened -- by the way, if i were giving advice, i'd tell bernie sanders just admit you were wrong about the guns. you cannot defend that position. and i would tell hillary just release the damn transcripts. >> would you tell bernie to release his tax returns? >> of course. >> you got a list of things you got to remind people of, bill.
>> i do. >> on the speeches, hillary's rule was she not only negotiated the price but that she would control the transcript, it was in her possession, she's the one who can release it. goldman sachs doesn't even have it. she's got control of it. >> i want to head back to jake tapper, who has the debate moderators, wolf blitzer and dana bash is joining him as well as errol louis. jake? >> we have our dream team right here fresh after the great debate, really powerful. wolf, let's start with you, you're the moderator, the emcee of the evening. they really came to play. i imagine you were prepared for them to not, but -- >> we actually in all of our preparation, as you know, you go through a lot of preparation for days and days. we do what we call these mock debates, we have people playing hillary clinton, playing bernie sanders and we go through possible questions, how they might respond.
and we were preparing for a very lively debate, although i agree with you, it was a little bit more lively than we anticipated but we were prepared for that. >> dana, i think we all knew that bernie sanders was going to come out swinging. he's behind in the polls here, he's really been much more aggressive in the last few weeks. the question, to me at least, before the debate is where is hillary clinton going to be, is she going to be as aggressive back? when i interviewed her on sunday on "state of the union" she said i'm not going to say anything aggressive against him. apparently she was storing it up, waiting for tonight. >> that's what she was doing. they both have a lot to gain and a lot to lose right now. it was obvious, i mean, you can still feel the heat coming off the stage back here, that they did both recognize that. i actually thought what was really tremendous is that they do genuinely have differences on a lot of issues, and the heat --
i mean, there were some political questions, important political questions that we asked and they missbs -- mixed up on, but from everything from israel to wall street, they mixed it up on policy. >> errol, a great addition to the panel this evening. what struck you in terms of good moments and bad moments the candidates had? >> i think hillary had a pretty good moment in trying to recover from a pretty good question she go about guns coming over the border from vermont. we essentially caught her and her campaign really kind of not fabricating but seriously exaggerating. when wolf asked her are you really saying that this is a big problem? i thought it was good. because she then went to really the heart of the problem so we got away from the sim silliness went to the heart of the problem, which is to say we need gun regulation, i have a
solution different than his and his record isn't so good. so she sort of acknowledged in her own way that, yeah, that was kind of a side point and she went right to the heart of it. i thought it was really good for the voters to hear that. >> one of the few issues where she can outflank bernie sanders on the left, which is especially important in the new york primary. wolf, probably more discussion and disagreement on the israeli-palestinian conflict than maybe any presidential debate that i can remember. i think one of the reasons is we really haven't seen a candidate like bernie sanders, who is willing to criticize israel. generally speaking presidential candidates in this country are fairly -- i don't know what the term would be. respectful, willing to let israel have the benefit of the doubt. sanders and clinton with a difference of opinion. >> especially when he went after her for not addressing the palestinian grievances as thoroughly as he has done. you're absolutely right, you are
don't hear a lot of american politicians doing that, especially in a presidential debate of this nature. >> certainly not before the new york primaries. >> exactly. >> he was willing to do that. and it just underscored what i was so happy about. we talked about the most important domestic national security issues and the voters out there, voters who are still undecided got a sense to see where these two individuals disagree on critically important issues and hopefully they'll have a better in new york state and then the states that follow have a better opportunity to know who to support going into these coming caucuses. >> the jewish vote in the new york democratic primary in 2008 i think was about 15% of the democratic primary and they went for clinton over obama 2-1. >> quite large. i was waiting for her -- i thought she had a big missed opportunity on that issue, which is he kept saying when you spoke to apec, the american-israel public affairs council, you
didn't mention the palpestinian, he didn't even go to speak. that could have been such a moment for her, that she tried and was reaching out to a very important constituency here in new york. >> we've seen ted cruz and john kasich make matza here in new york, matza i'm sure anderson cooper is lining his cabinets in in anticipation of the pass overholiday. >> absolutely, jake, yes, sir. much more with our panel ahead. also, bernie sanders, his campaign manager joins the conversation. we'll see how he thinks it went tonight. we want you at home to be part of the post-debate conversation as well. did the candidates properly answer the question tonight? go to cnn.com/vote to weigh in. we'll bring you the live results coming up.
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you're looking at secretary clinton talking to supporters not far from here at a watch party, there with new york's mayor bill de blasio and his wife. let's listen in. >> now, i just want to thank all of you. i look around here, i see some very familiar faces and a lot of new faces. i'm happy that you are here. here in brooklyn. you know, the two people behind me call brooklyn home. >> and back with the panel. with the panel is jared weaver,
the sanders campaign manager. >> i thought he was very forceful in laying out his vision. >> was it as contentious? it got very heated there. >> there were some serious clashes on important issues but they were on issues. >> we just saw secretary clinton a watch party talking to supporters. senator sanders is already heading to vatican city for an event at the vatican. he's going to be back saturday? >> early saturday. >> are you concerned at all about -- obviously there's reasons to do this. are you concerned about the impact it might have in new york, having him out of pocket? >> there are some things above politics. the invitation came from the vatican to talk about a moral -- >> i think if you look at the issue of a moral economy, that is what the foundation of his campaign is. he's talking about a moral economy.
that has national as well as international ramifications. >> david? >> wouldn't he be in a position to advance the moral economy by doing well in the new york primary and advancing his nomination? wouldn't he have a better chance to do that if he's in new york campaigning? >> look, everybody has made their choices. the secretary has zipped out of new york to go to out of state fund-raisers. it's not like the secretary has been here in new york the entire time either. >> bernie sanders had an opportunity tonight to get hillary clinton to release her speech transcripts by saying that he would release all of his tax returns. and he said he'd only release one year of his tax returns. why doesn't he just say, okay, i'll do ten years of tax returns? >> i think he said he'll release one year tomorrow and then a bunch of others. i guarantee you they're very boring. >> so when would he do it? how quickly will he do it? >> i think it will be pretty soon, gloria. >> do you think there's something in her speech transcripts that would reveal
something about her true attitude about wall street? >> you have to wonder what's in them. she has fought so hard not to release them. why do you do that if there's nothing in them? we know she has them because he required all of these people to pay for them to be transcribed. so we know she has copies of the speeches. >> can't you get them from someone? >> she controls them. we just had john podesta on who said it a double standard. you don't buy that argument? >> no. bernie sanders tonight gave out all of his wall street transcripts right there in front of america. >> bernie sanders seems to be unprepared for hillary clinton's attacks on guns. what do you make of why he's getting tripped up and how he can sort of clarify this issue and not make it such a sore point in these debates? >> just for the record i said i thought his vote against that bill was wrong and he should say so. not apologize.
it was wrong. >> he's co-sponsoring legislation in the senate to strip away most of the bad parts of that bill. each has said he's in favor of revising it to make it far, far, far narrower. there were a couple of provisions like getting rid of cop killer bullets and putting child safety locks on guns which were good things. in terms of liability provisions, he want to substantially narrow it. he has a d-minus with the nra. >> the way the democratic party works, a d-minus is like if you grade offn a curve, it's like a b-plus. everybody gets f. >> people who have a ratings in the democratic ratings that hillary clinton supports. so if you want to see the a-team list -- >> are you sorry he answered the sandy hook question the way he did? >> he answered the question and
then he went on to a more nuanced explanation to his answer. the clinton people say he said no here but then ignore what he said after that. >> but the families themselves condemned what he said. >> i understand. i'm parent, i have young kids. i can't imagine what they're going through. to have that happen in your family, unimaginable. >> we have to wrap it up. going to new york, how confident are you? what are you looking for here? >> clearly we have to win most states going forward, no doubt about that. but we don't have to win every state. no individual state is a must win. we have to do well everywhere. i think we will do well of where. you saw the crowd last night here in new york city, 27,000, all around buffalo, big crowds. big crowd everywhere. >> you have no doubt this is going to a contested convention? >> nobody is going to go to the convention with the number of pledged delegates required to clinch the nomination. that means both candidates are going to go and have to appeal to super delegates. we're going to go and
demonstrate that bernie sanders is best situated to get the nomination. >> if enough super delegates are pledged, will you concede that point? >> no, because they're not pledged until they vote at the convention. every super delegate is called an unpledged delegate really. it's not pledged to anybody. they may articulate a public position, but when they get to the convention, they're able to vote for whoever they want. >> jeff weaver, it's good to have you here. much more with the panel ahead. earlier we asked you at home to weigh in online about whether you thought the candidates properly answered tonight's debate questions. now a quick look at the results so far. the votes are being tallied at the bottom of the screen. 40% say yes, 60% say no. we'll be right back.
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momentum. hillary clinton who's got more delegates. there were so many moments on stage that are already making headlines. we'll be talking about many of them tonight. and seeing it through the eyes of the voters whose decision on tuesday could change the entire race. but first, some of the key moments. >> does secretary clinton have the experience and the intelligence to be a president? of course, she does. but i do question -- but i do question her judgment. i question a judgment which voted for the war in iraq, the worst foreign policy blunder in the history of this country, voted for every disastrous trade agreement which cost us millions of decent paying jobs. and i question her judgment about running super pacs which are collecting tens of millions of dollars from special interests, including $15 million
from wall street. >> well, it is true that now that the spotlight is pretty bright here in new york, some things have been said. and senator sanders did call me unqualified. i've been called a lot of things in my life, that was a first. and then he did say that he had to question my judgment. well, the people of new york voted for me twice to be their senator from new york. and president obama trusted my judgment enough to ask me to be secretary of state to the united states. so look, we have disagreements on policy. there's no dbt about it. but if you go and read, which i hope all of you will before tuesday, senator sanders' long interview with the "new york daily news," talk about judgment, and talk about the kinds of problems he had answering questions about even his core issue, breaking up the banks. when asked, he could not explain
how that would be done. and when asked -- when asked about a number of foreign policy issues, he could not answer about afghanistan, about israel, about counterterrorism, except to say if he'd had some paper in front of him, maybe he could. can you name one decision she made as senator that shows she favored banks because of the money she received? >> the obvious decision is when the greed and recklessness and illegal behavior of wall street brought this country into the worst economic downturn since the great depression of the '30s. now, secretary clinton was busy giving speeches to goldman sachs for $225,000 a speech. so the proper response -- the proper response, in my view, is, we should break them up.
>> dana, he cannot come up with any example. because there is no example. and it is important -- it is important -- it's always important, it may be inconvenient, but it's always important to get the facts straight. i stood up against the behaviors of the banks when i was a senator. i called them out on their mortgage behavior. >> secretary clinton called them out. oh, my goodness. they must have been really crushed by this. [ applause ] and was that before or after you received money by giving speaking engagements? they must have been very, very upset. of course, we will release our taxes. jane does our taxes. we've been a little bit busy lately. you'll excuse us. [ cheers and applause ] but we will --
>> senator -- >> well, you know, there are a lot of -- >> senator, when are you -- you've been asked for weeks and weeks to release your taxes. >> we've got one coming out tomorrow. >> which one? >> last year's. >> 2014? >> yes. >> what about 2013? >> i don't want to get anybody excited, they're very boring tax returns. i'm sure a lot of people are surprised to learn that you supported raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. >> wait a minute -- wait. come on. i have stood on the debate stage with senator sanders -- >> secretary -- >> senator, please. secretary -- secretary, the viewers -- >> let's do it. >> if you're both screaming at each other, the viewers won't be able to hear either of you. >> this is a serious difference between us. and what i want to start by saying, it's not a laughing
matter. 90 people on average a day are killed or commit suicide or die in accidents from guns. 33,000 people a year. i take it really seriously. >> do you regret your advocacy for the crime bill? >> well, look, i -- i supported the crime bill. my husband has apologized. he was the president who actually signed it. >> but what about you, senator? >> i'm sorry for the consequences that were unintended and that have had a very unfortunate impact on people's lives. >> of course israel has a right to defend itself. but long-term, they will never be peace in that region unless the united states plays a role, an even-handed role trying to bring people together and recognizing the serious problems that exist among the palestinian people.
that is what i believe the world wants us to do and the kind of leadership we've got to exercise. >> well, describing the problem is a lot easier than trying to solve it. >> those are some of the more contentious moments throughout the debate tonight. the question is, how are voters reacting to them? we'll go across the river to manhattan where randi kaye is at a group. >> we're here with harlem democratic groups. everybody pretty fired up about the debate tonight. just a show of hands, who thinks bernie sanders won tonight's debate? [ cheers and applause ] all right. let's see the hillary supporters. who thinks that hillary clinton won tonight's debate? [ cheers and applause ] all right. i want to ask people. because as we know, certainly this week, and even tonight, the
qualifications to be president, and who is more qualified to be president was a big issue. let me ask you, who do you think is more qualified to be president? >> hillary clinton is more qualified to be the president of the united states, because she knows the issues, and she's one of the strongest women i know. >> all right. i think she made her point. i see a bernie sanders button right here. so you obviously disagree. >> yes. bernie sanders. >> why? >> bernie sanders has been on the front lines of civil rights ever since before i was born, and i'm 29. not to mention -- thank you -- not to mention he cares about the people, number one. and he's for the people. he doesn't have super pacs such as hillary clinton does. >> let me ask you another issue. one of the main issues tonight that also got a lot of passion out of this group was the minimum wage issue, which they were discussing whether or not it should be $12 or $15. what do you think about that?
>> i think contrary to secretary clinton's views, now is not the time for maintaining the status quo. nor is it the time for incremental change. now is the time for real change in this country. the working class and middle class in this country have the chips squarely stacked against them. now is the time to empower those people. one of the best ways to do that is raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. >> a lot of you were very -- a lot of you feel very strongly about that. but also what got a big reaction from you tonight was the whole debate about guns, and whether or not the manufacturers should be held accountable for a gun that's on the street that may harm or kill someone. you had a strong opinion about this. >> absolutely. i think it was tip o'neill that said all politics is local. if you take a walk two blocks away from where we are tonight and go to public housing, those parents, yes, we understand nato and assad, but what they care about is the safety of their kids. >> you agree with hillary clinton on it? >> absolutely.
the candidate that fights the nra is the candidate that should earn our vote and i think it's hillary clinton. [ cheers and applause ] >> one thing that's really interesting is that some of the quotes here tonight had come in decided on certain candidates. and actually changed their mind. let me just include one here. walter, right here. you switched from whom to whom and why? >> i switched from bernie to hillary, because bernie seemed to be stubbornly set in the past and hillary seems to be more adaptive to the future. >> all right. thank you very much. we had about -- almost 200 people here, anderson. only about 9 of them are still undecided. back to you. >> all right. randi, thanks very much, and thanks to everybody who stayed late to join us. jeffrey lord, and debbie
wasserman schultz. i don't have personal knowledge. we're all counting on that. thank you for being with us. in terms of what you saw tonight, did you expect it to be as con ten shus as it was? >> it was sort of at the narrow end of the funnel now, as we wrap up the last stages of this primary nominating contest. so it's natural for it to get more pointed and a little bit more sharp in tone. they're exercising the muscle. there's no question about it. i think what it shows is because they've stuck to the issues, and they are robustly disagreeing on how to reach the same goals, but take the different approach, it demonstrates either one of these candidates are going to take the fight to the republicans and show that they're going to fight on behalf of the american people to build on the leg assy of barack obama. >> at this point of the race things are very polarized
between these two candidates. how concerned are you about them to come together after the convention? >> it's my responsibility as chair to caution the supporters of the candidates who i'm actually, you know, i want to caution a little bit more than the candidates. the candidates seem to get it. they know tone is important and they have to make sure that they take actions that will allow for their supporters to come back together easily. it was much more divisive. any of us involved in the campaign in 2008, it is much more intense and we easily came back together and supported barack obama. i turned on a dime. one day i was on tv for hillary clinton, the next day i was on tv for barack obama. and gladly did so. we not only nominated him, elected him president, he chose senator clinton as secretary of state, and we were pretty darn unified. >> how do you go about planning for what looks like to be a contested convention? >> we're not going to -- i don't
think we'll have a contested convention. >> at least it will go to the convention. you don't believe -- you believe a candidate -- >> i think the process will play itself out and result in a presumptive nominee. >> you think one candidate will get enough delegates? >> i think it's likely we will know a presumptive nominee prior to the convention. it doesn't mean the candidates -- both candidates won't remain fully engaged, because certainly there's a platform that we have to build. both candidates will have an interest what goes into that platform. i would expect the way the process plays out, we will not -- i don't have a concern we'll have a contested convention. >> critics of bernie sanders in the democratic party said he hasn't done enough to raise enough money for other candidates out there. he said he's raised millions for the democratic party. are you satisfied with -- >> he said he's raised millions for the senate democrats. so just to be specific. >> are you satisfied with the efforts he's made thus far?
>> you know, i'm focused as the chair on running two parallel efforts. i have to manage the nominating contest and i have to help the prepare the party for the eventual nominee and prepare for the convention. we're doing that. we certainly could use all the help we can get. and would encourage both candidates roll up their sleeves and make sure that we can be as prepared as possible. because regardless of how we're laughing behind our hands what is going on the other side of the aisle, the country is still quite evenly divided. this is going to be a real contest. this is not going to be a walk in the park and we're going to need to be operating on all cylinders. >> other folks may have some questions for you. >> i just wanted to know, what did you think about tonight, the tenor of tonight's debate and moving forward? i'm not sure we all expected this tenor. i thought it was good. i said politics is a contact sport and i'm glad we saw the ode- >> sharper than you think -- >> i thought it was sharper. we have the spotlight tonight.
how do you think it benefits democrats going forward? >> it was as sharp as i expected it to be. if you just looked at the last couple of weeks, some of the jabs that they've been taking at one another. this is not surprising. but look, again, it's all around the substance of the issues. voters looking at this debate tonight, got a really good picture of what each of these candidates would do to move us forward. they look at the republicans and they're in a civil war food fight. i'm not sure, in fact, frankly, i think at the end of their convention, the republican party will not be the republican party of today and they will likely be blowing themselves to smithereens. >> whoa! thank you for the lead-in there. >> donald trump was invoked on the stage tonight. does it benefit donald trump to have at this point secretary clinton invoking him? >> sure. >> it helps him? >> absolutely. we draw these lines as ronald
reagan used to say, you draw the bright line between the two sides and you take your case to the american people. absolutely, this helps. this helps in a variety of ways. i noticed on some issues like nato, your candidate sounded very much like donald trump tonight. >> it was interesting, because he was specifically asked that. i can't remember -- it was like -- >> plural. >> dana bash, he tossed that aside and he said you have to talk to donald trump about his position. >> there are some odd crossover, you know, issues. and crossover problems that bernie sanders and donald trump share. it's a really remarkable season. one of many reasons why it's remarkable. but look, whatever benefit to donald trump hillary is calling him, secretary clinton is calling him out as, presumably because since 1920, women can vote, hillary clinton is going to do much better against donald
trump than he will. i mean, it's -- to pretend the things he's said about women over the course of his campaign will not have an effect with women voters, and a sizeable effect, it's just a fantasy. that said, i really hope that some of the things that these candidates said tonight get repeated in the general election. >> they will be. >> like banning funding for planned parenthood. some of the israel bashing i heard, that stuff is going to be very problematic in a general election. and i'm sure they'll try to triangulate. but you can't unhear some of the things you heard tonight. >> let's -- >> yeah. i mean, we had a pretty robust discussion in 2012 between barack obama and mitt romney over whether or not planned parenthood should receive funding. planned parenthood is one of the top two most popular organizations nationwide. >> the other being the nra. >> yes, that's very true.
unfortunate, but true. the american people have already weighed in on where they are on funding for -- >> but for bernie sanders say he wants to expand it, i don't think plays -- i think that's -- >> although, i have to say if donald trump is the nominee, donald trump has said favorable things other than they're -- >> women's health care, it's not where the election is going to turn. i agree. i hope they talk about it a lot. >> we've got to take a quick break. debbie wasserman schultz, thank you. also, see which statements on stage fit the facts. reality check when we come back.
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♪ the accusations from the debate stage were flying around brooklyn tonight faster than a hipster on a hover board. we're putting some of the candidate's statements to the test. tom foreman joins us with the debate reality check. tom? >> hi, anderson. bernie sanders and hillary clinton sparred with each other over who is the true champion of a $15 an hour minimum wage. >> when this campaign began, i said that we've got to end this starvation minimum wage of 7:25, raise it to $15. secretary clinton said let's raise it to $12. >> i have said from the very beginning that i supported the fight for $15. i supported those on the front
line for the fight -- it happens to be true. >> well, let's break this into two parts here. go to bernie sanders' website and he says the current federal minimum wage is starvation pay. we must increase it to $15 an hour from $7.25 an hour, over the next several years. his position is unequivocal. it is very clear. so we're going to say his claim about himself is true. her position, however, is more complicated. go to her website and what does it say. she has supported raising the federal minimum wage to $12. this is her own website. and believes that we should go further through state and local efforts, such as efforts in los angeles and new york to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. so she admitted all this in the conversation on stage today. but only after really hitting the idea that she's in favor of a $15 wage. in the end, she's suggesting she's been pushing it as strongly and robustly at a
federal level as bernie sanders. that is simply not the case. nonetheless we're going to say that her claim was true, but it was also somewhat misleading. find out a whole lot more how we decide all these things and many other things we check tonight by going to cnn.com/reality check. anderson? >> all right, tom, thanks very much. back with the panel. joining us also is gloria borger. who stepped away for a short time. nice to have you back. anything happening out there that we missed? >> the spin room is kind of dying down here. >> what else stood out to you? in terms of making headlines tomorrow? what do you think we'll be hearing about? >> i just think that the intensity of this debate between these two candidates, i also think it was stunning, bernie sanders' position on israel, for example. stunning for a candidate in new york, a democratic candidate in new york, to speak the way he did. i mean, you know, he basically sounded like donald trump on the question of israel.
donald trump, quho said you've got to have an honest broker. >> and aipac, and bernie said he had a scheduling conflict and couldn't make it. >> bernie sanders sounded an awful lot like donald trump on nato. he said we ought to get our european allies to spend some more money on that. it was interesting, because we always say that sanders and trump are the flip side of the same coin. in fact, tonight, in some ways, they actually were. >> there are a number of republican senators that apparently have been saying behind closed doors that not necessarily that donald trump is right, but taking that position, that nato members need to be ponying up a bit more for their own defense. so i'm beginning to think that this point of view on nato is catching on. >> we actually have that exchange about nato. let's play that. >> donald trump also argues that nato is unfair economically to
the u.s., because america pays a disproportionate share. so how is what you say about nato and your proposal different than his? >> you've got to ask trump. all i can tell you -- >> well -- >> -- is with a huge deficit, with 47 million people living in poverty, with our inner cities collapsing, yeah, i do think countries like germany, and uk, and france, and european countries whose economy, or at least their standard of living in health care and education, they're doing pretty well. so i would not be embarrassed as president of the united states to say to a european ally, you know what? the united states of america cannot just support your economies. you've got to put up your own fair share of the defense burden. >> there are 28 countries in the alliance, and the united states gives more money to nato's budget than 21 of those countries combined. if they don't agree to pay more, as you suggested, then what
would you do as commander in chief? >> i will stay in nato. i will stay in nato, and we will continue to look for missions, and other kinds of programs that they will support. with russia being more aggressive, making, you know, all kinds of intimidating moves toward the baltic countries, we've seen what they've done in eastern ukraine. we know how they want to rewrite the map of europe. it is not in our interests -- think of how much it would cost if russia's aggression were not deterred because nato was there on the front lines making it clear they could not move forward. >> it is interesting, this question would not been asked if it had not been comments made -- >> i think it's safe to say, certainly his followers believe this is another example of the leadership where he takes a position on an issue that other people are either afraid to take or haven't taken, or ignored for one reason or another, and the next thing you know there seems
to be some sort of building consensus around the issue that yes, in fact, we must do something about it. >> i think if you check the record, you'll find that bernie sanders had talked about cutting back our share -- making the european nations pay more of their own share of the cost long before donald trump did. so i'm not sure it's leadership -- i don't know who's following whom here. can i go back for a second? one other thing we haven't talked about that i thought was -- you saw hillary clinton i thought was weak on the minimum wage question. i think she's also weak, or bernie sanders was strong, maybe i should put it that way, when he talked about judgment. we knew that was going to come up, because he'd said she was not qualified. he said of course she's got the experience, but i question her judgment. i thought he scored a couple of times tonight coming back to her judgment on iraq, and her judgment on libya. president obama says was his number one mistake, and she was the cheerleader for it. she didn't have an answer for that. >> do you think her actual position is weak on minimum
wage, or the way she described it? >> the way she could not defend her position. her position is totally inconsistent. let me finish. you cannot say, i want to raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour. but i support to raising it to $15. which is it? it's $12 for her. we do want to get some more of your thoughts as well. the question, did clinton and sanders treat each other fairly? go to cnn.com/vote to let us know. we'll bring you the live results coming up.
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secretary -- secretary. the viewers -- >> let's do it. >> if you're both screaming at each other, the viewers won't be able to hear either of you. >> what you said was totally absurd. >> let me just say -- let me say. >> let him finish. >> okay. i put it out -- >> excuse me. i think i'm responding now. >> go ahead, sir. >> secretary clinton made this charge in previous debates. just repeating it doesn't make it true. >> i know you're not shy when you oppose something, senator. >> interesting comment, but you didn't answer the question. >> i did. that's the wade -- >> can i -- >> yes, i did. >> may i please -- >> don't put words into my mouth and say something that's not -- >> go ahead, senator. >> hey! is this just -- i mean, debbie wasserman schultz earlier was saying, this is where we are in the race. this is what always happens.
it gets contentious. >> there's nothing wrong with it. let's be honest. i know it's uncomfortable for a lot of people to see two of their warriors going at each other. but democrats, especially for new yorkers and others who are still prepared to vote, this was an opportunity to get some clarification on the issues. also, to see their candidates spar. you're not debating. we're still having debates. we're still bringing -- >> listen, i think what's remarkable about the tone of tonight's debate, someone said to me, gosh, i think bernie really landed some big punches tonight. i said, did he, or is it just we're not used to seeing hillary clinton get scrutinized by other democrats? i think through benghazi, democrats have really rallied around hillary clinton. it is rare to see a democrat publicly confront her, or question her, or challenge her. and to see bernie sanders do that so frontally tonight was
jarring. it was really -- >> but also -- >> it was new. >> also, outside of bernie sanders talking about the judgment issue, which i don't think that he won because hillary clinton asked the question, can you show where any campaign contributions had -- wait -- have influence -- no, no, no -- >> you're going to a different topic. >> but it was a judgment attack. it was a character attack. but he swung and wifed. he didn't connect on that. outside of that interchange, what we saw was a very high-level substantive debate about the issues. i do think there are two issues going into next tuesday which directly affect new york voters, which were very important. the first was mass incarceration. the fact that hillary clinton, one of the headlines you're going to read tomorrow in many papers and publications is hillary clinton apologizing for the consequences, unintended, of the 1994 crime bill. that was very important. >> and is as far as she's gone in this -- >> i was a little taken aback.
i do wish both candidates would talk about the clemency project. it was stuck in the 1990s. i was 10 years old. and -- >> look, i was 16. >> and number two, the issue of guns. the issue of guns was a near knockout blow that hillary clinton landed on bernie sanders. and bernie sanders, for all of his conviction, one of the things he's never evolved on with the rest of the country is the issue of guns. and i think that is one of his achilles heel if not his most glaring achilles heel. >> i'll say it again, i said it before, i personally am a bernie supporter, believe he is wrong on the issue that he voted the wrong way. which i understand where he's coming from. but what i don't understand is, there was nothing new tonight. this was an issue that was debated, he gave the same bad answer in the first debate and he gave the same bad answer tonight. >> but hillary clinton was
better tonight. >> she was. no, she was. >> somebody did some great reading, went back to his book and said, look, the reason you voted this way was because you wanted to get elected in 1990 and you had lost in 1988, and she -- so she kind of leveled him on that. >> both candidates aren't perfect. >> secretary clinton toward the end used some time to point out questions about a woman's right to choose had not been asked. my guess is, it hadn't been asked because there's not much difference between these two candidates. and in a debate like this, you're really looking for issues where there are differences that they're actually going to debate on. you don't want them just agreeing about everything on the stage. >> the contrast with the republicans, especially on reproductive rights, on gay rights, on human rights, these are issues that democrats have championed, that democrats care
deeply about and i'm glad they brought it up. i love bernie sanders, i love jane sanders, i love hillary, bill, i love everybody, so let's get the love over with. i am a southerner. i understand some people are upset that southerners vote in a certain way. i am grateful that we have southern democrats and southern independents who are still willing to be progressive and still fight. so i just want to let bernie sanders know that we southerners, we take tremendous pride in our heritage and our history. >> can i just -- >> i don't think he meant it, but it is just a little bit too -- you're piling on people. the poorest region in the country. people who are still struggling to find ways to get back on their feet. and to just knock us off. >> we've got to get another quick break in. a programming note on the republican side, donald trump's campaign manager will be on new day tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. at cnn. only about five and a half hours from now. we might as well just stay up.
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debate night in brooklyn. hillary clinton, bernie sanders facing off tonight on everything from gun control to minimum wage to the situation in libya. >> according to "the new york times," for president obama this was a pretty tough call. do you overthrow gadhafi who was a horrific dictator. "the new york times" told us it was secretary clinton who led the effort for that regime change. and this is the same type of mentality that supported the war in iraq. [ applause ] look, gadhafi, saddam hussein are brutal murdering thugs, no debate about that. but what the president was saying, is we didn't think thoroughly about what happens
the day after you get rid of these dictators. regime change often has unintended consequences. >> i would just point out that there was a vote in the senate as to whether or not the united states should support the efforts by the libyan people to protect themselves against the threats, the genocide al threats coming from gadhafi. and whether we should go to the united nations to seek security council support. senator sanders voted for that. and that's exactly what we did. >> no, wait -- >> yes, he did. we went to the united nations security council, we got support from the security council, and we then supported the efforts of our european and arab allies and partners. >> back now with our panel. >> you know, i think you have to listen to -- >> yeah. >> all right. you have to listen to hillary
clinton's answer on this. because she's going to have to talk about libya over and over again in the general election. if she becomes the nominee. because the president has distanced himself and said, this was a mistake. she said tonight, she didn't come out and say that, she said, we helped him hold two successful elections. and we're proud of that. we got rid of the chemical weapons stockpile. and so this is going to be tied to her now because she didn't go as far as the president. >> let me add also, she -- she also reiterated her support for the no-fly zone in syria. >> exactly. >> which is another -- that's getting close to more regime change. she's a hawk on foreign policy. she did not back down tonight. >> although in a general, you could argue that maybe works in her favor somewhat with independents, or even some republicans who may not want to
go with donald trump. >> well, i don't know. she's got a number of foreign policy land mines to navigate in a general. she's kind of trying to have it both ways. she wants to claim libya as a real significant foreign policy moment where she was really in charge, and she led the way, and, you know, the flip side of that is, yes, then you're responsible for the outcome. what i heard that was remarkable in terms of foreign policy is when she was really lamenting the fact that no one stood up to assad. i imagine president obama felt that one was below the waistline. if she continues to use that line, i think then that's an opportunity for republicans in a general, whoever it is, to say, look, like what would you have done differently? you've talked about doing things differently in syria. would you be more hawkish than president obama and what would it look like?
>> the question still remains, is donald trump equipped enough to have a foreign policy debate with hillary clinton? >> is that a serious question? no. >> everybody knows the answer is no. you're talking about a woman who negotiated a cease-fire in the gaza strip versus donald trump. >> he says nukes for everyone. >> so, i mean, when you look at the comparison between the two, i know hillary clinton has some land mines to navigate. even he sung the chorus on that. but when you get down to the nitty-gritty in november, i don't think it's a question of who is more prepared to be commander in chief, it will be a question of what her experience was. >> whether it was the russia re set or benghazi or libya. one disaster after another. there's a lot of problems there. she can have all the experience in the world, if it constantly takes her in the wrong direction, it's not that good. >> let's look at more results of your votes online. we asked you to weigh in whether you thought the candidates
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top foreman. >> hey, anderson. hillary clinton has tried to suggest numerous times one of the reasons new york has a gun violence problem is all the states around it like bernie sanders' home state of vermont having lax gun laws. >> the facts are that most of the guns that end up committing crimes in new york come from out of state. they come from the states that don't have the kind of juries efforts to control guns that we do in new york. >> well, the federal numbers are a little more complicated than she's suggesting there. in 2014, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms recovered about 7,700 guns from crimes in new york. out of this number, the number that they could trace to initial source of region sdrags stragss from some other state was about 4,600 of the guns.
40%, we don't know anything about roughly. on top of which authorities say, look, they don't even get all the guns that are used in crimes. so they certainly don't know where they came from. they don't trace all of the guns that they do get. they don't even try in some cases. so her numbers start looking a little bit squishy there. but when she tries to link it to vermont as she has numerous times, that's when it gets really messy. because out of this whole number the only ones connected to vermont, 55 of the guns there. tonight she said she's not trying to blame vermont in all of this. but the bottom line is, while many democrats, including hillary clinton, think that bernie sanders is vulnerable on his stance on gun regulation in his home state. you can't really say that vermont is to blame. in fact, the evidence is not there to support her entire claim tonight that most of the gun violence is because of other states. that may be true. you may think that that's common sense. but the evidence is not there for that. nor is there evidence there to refute it.
so all we can really say about that anderson is it's complicated. >> all right. tom foreman, thank you very much. some final thoughts from the panel. >> it's complicated. no, i think that the -- tonight i think that the democratic party won. tonight was our night to shine. you saw both candidates who have come a long way in this race. and it was very substantive debate. i'm very proud to be a democrat tonight. >> phil? >> i want to say also i think brooklyn won. this crowd tonight was phenomenal. they all fed off the energy on it. new yorkers knew hillary clinton before tonight. now they know bernie sanders. and i think that makes a very tight race on tuesday. >> donna brazille, do you want to see more debates? >> yes. because it would give me an opportunity to see you again. >> aw. >> i want to say, wolf, dana, errol, great moderating. great panel. good questions. yes. i liked it. >> even some of those questions
got applause. >> yeah. >> i think voters really wanted some of those questions to be asked of their rival candidates. i thought it was a great night for new york, as a former new yorker, to be relevant. you know? at this stage in the election. it's truly amazing. and relevant on the republican side as well. that's outstanding. >> it was a great night for the republican party, because you can bet that somewhere in the basement in washington the tapes were rolling. and you're going to be spitting out these positions by fall without any question. >> thank you. >> we've got to end it there. thank you very much for watching.
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