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monotonous day, this is a place to spend it. >> you're in the "cnn newsroom." i'm pamela brown in for poppy harlow. it is the race for the white house. and despite being a national contest the focus for the next few days is right here in new york where i am. primary day is tuesday and the two favorites to win have not faired so well in the most recent contest. republican donald trump, democrat hillary clinton, both looking for campaign booster shots with expected big wins in new york and that state's very generous delegate hall. hitting the trail on long island, bill clinton. he went to service twaes at two churches. he spoke of his wife's plan to make child care more affordable. with lunch on staten island and
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high school visit to his alma mater at a military academy. donald trump repeated his claim that delegate system in his words is crooked and rigged. chris, this is from a guy who would probably dominate the new york primary. does he explain why he is blowing on those losses out west? >> yeah, you're exactly right here pam. he continues to hit the idea that the whole system is rigged and that's because he didn't have a great weekend. he is able to sweep the delegates out of that state's convention. it was similar it what he did in colorado. and donald trump clearly frustrate bd by that. and saying the whole system is rigged because nobody voted. listen to what he said in rochester a few hours ago. >> have you a system that's rigged, a system that's crooked, a system that's got a lot of problems and a system that doesn't allow people to vote in many cases and if they do vote
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their vote isn't really representative of what it should be. we have it delegate system that's a sham. so in colorado people are going crazy because they never got the chance to vote. >> now the republican national committee pam saying that's not true that candidates knew the the states could either hold - primaries, hold caucuses or state conventions and that the fact that the os whole process is the same process we have been going through since 1860 on the republican side. it is what is used to nominate abraham lincoln. so certainly this is an rigged system, pam. >> and ted cruz echoed that sentiment, right? in a tweet where he basically waved his recent victories in trump's face a little bit. >> that's exactly right. taking a little bit after victory lap. he's gotten five wins in a
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rehere. if we can put that tweet up, i will read it to you. donald, over 1.3 million people just voted in utah, north dakota, wisconsin, idaho and wyoming you lost all five in a row by huge margins hashtag no whining. so he is taking a bit aftof a victory lap. and he should enjoy it. if polls are to be believed in new york he is lagging donald trump by double digits. as donald trump got his voters riled up, he is winning by 54%. ted cruz just 16%. that's very good news for donald trump. if he can win over 50% statewide and each congressional district. he has a shot at taking home all 95 delegates. close to that number of 1237 that he needs to clench that nomination. ted cruz and john kasich are trying to stop trump and take this all the way to cleveland. they will both need to perform on tuesday.
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we will watch this closely. this is hotter and hotter as we get closer and closer to tuesday. >> thank you so much. and joining us now to discuss, a cnn political commentator and conservative who does not support front-runner donald trump. and boris epstein does however. tara, first, you. just on the heels of what chris said. new york could be pivotal in some ways, particularly if donald trump sweeps up all 95 delegates. so why hasn't ted cruz seemingly put forth a fight to get in trump's way with the delegates? >> i think because he recognized that the delegates in colorado and in wyoming and places like that, those are opportunities for ted cruz with more friendly territory. we know ted cruz is losing pretty dramatically here in new york. this is never going to be an area that was going to be, you know, fertile ground for ted cruz. but the issue here of whether
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donald trump gets 50% or not, even if donald trump got all 50% and swept all of the delegates, ted cruz would still be net 45 delegates given the last five contests. so moving forward, i mean, ted cruz is right, saying hey hey, all these people voted and by the way, wisconsin was an open primary, not just a caucus. but i don't hear donald trump complaining about wisconsin. so it is convenient fade outrage for donald trump when he loses in areas where he has been outworked, doesn't have an organization, and it is very easy propaganda for him to be after the process of being rigged. repeating it over and over again and now whips people into aen from from /* frenzy. >> so we keep hearing donald trump say the process is rigged, crooked. but one does wonder if it worked in his favor if he would come out and say the same thing. particularly tuesday he expected
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to win. will he be equally critical of the system then? >> he is not critical of the primary system. he is critical of colorado, and wyoming specifically. >> would he be if he won those states? do you think he would be critical? >> if people voted in tho states -- >> so that's no. >> so what cruz said is oh, people voted in colorado, wyoming. they did not vote. there were conventions. you can't say people voted when they didn't. if you talk about net 45 delegates, trump is up throughout the whole process. as we move forward not just to new york, to pennsylvania, where he is up by 20, then to california where is up by 18, up by double digits, all of this talk will be behind us as trump will be well on his way to 1237. >> tara, rules are rules and have been around for so many years now just accept it. >> 160. >> you look at some states like georgia where trump won and then
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most of the delegates going to the convention in support of ted cruz some people may say that doesn't square. doesn't that just bolster trump's argument? >> yeah. unfortunately donald trump is preying on folks that don't know the system. if you don't know how the system works and you don't know what it is -- >> it's funny. >> it's true actually. >> it is not true. >> it is easy to make people think the system is rigged. republicans voted through a caucus system in colorado that's been around since the 1820s. for sper perspective -- >> and a switch -- >> last time primary in colorado in 2000, 269,000 people voted. that's both democrats and republicans. a far cry from the million people trump says were disenfranchised. that's up to the people of colorado. colorado legislature, elected by the people, made the decision to
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go back to caucus system to save money because colorado was never a factor because usually by now we have a nominee. >> so you shouldn't have a democratic process? >> no, a caucus is a democratic process. the average citizens who pay their own way to be a part of the convention start at the precinct level, to the county level, to the state convention, it is not fair for you to claim it is democratic. it is arrogant. sounds like new york arrogance. >> so another new york values tempt. >> i'm from jersey so i know. he is whining. >> like in the very beginning when he first entered the race we're just now hearing about it when he is starting to lose in the states. >> that's not true we talked about it in iowa. he would reerj berather be a primary system. they crushed in new hampshire
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and look around the country. so much better than cruz all around the country. northeast, southeast, southwest. and is continuing to do so. >> one thing you will two agree on is that new york matters more than it has in the past. >> right. which is great. >> from your view, how pivotal is the primary on tuesday in terms of getting it a contested convention. in terms of momentum. stopping cruz's momentum if he loses and doesn't get delegates? >> even with donald trump winning all 95 delegates, that cruz still has in a net delegate from the last, in the delegate hall, from the last five races moving forward, that's a momentum. but of course it'll allow trump supporters to sit here and say oh, donald trump is back. after that we have pennsylvania and other places but still doesn't mean he is going it make it to the 1237 number. which is not an arbitrary number. it is the number he needs in order to win. that rule has been in place for 160 years. if it is good enough for abraham
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lincoln it should good enough for donald trump. your candidate is claiming it is rigged if he doesn't get it. >> we will get there because trump will unquestionably be the leading candidate going into the convention -- >> so if there is one trump will walk out -- >> here is the fact. very important to remember, there's six weeks between the last primaries between california and new jersey and the convention. trump will go in, even if he is 50 short at worst, you think he won't be able to get 150 of those unbound delegates to side? of course he will. and cruz people will talk about how every election doesn't matter. trump will crush in new york, doesn't matter. pennsylvania, doesn't matter. big in maryland, doesn't matter p. we will win from here on out. and every time you hear someone from the cruz side say, it doesn't matter, then it will pop up with the magical candidate. >> the issue of when is -- >> he happens to have a plurality, that's what people don't understand. >> it means more people voted
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for donald trump so far. >> not about popular votes. >> we will keep the conversation going on-line. this is that battle we were just talking about for new york and the stakes couldn't be higher. it could all be come down to this. new york primaries, all-day coverage tuesday. only on cnn. >> and meantime, bernie sanders visiting his hometown today. we're going live in brooklyn new york, just ahead to see the reception he received and discuss chances on tuesday. we'll also talk about sanders main rival hillary clinton and late of the attacks against her from donald trump. a possible preview of what we'll see in the fall. intelligent one.an ♪ the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪ i've heard it all. eat more fiber. flax seeds. yogurt. get moving. keep moving. i know!
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just hours ago, a young girl was pulled out live from a hotel that was levelled in saturday's disaster. the rescue happening along ecuador's central coast, south of where the epicenter of where the 7.8 magnitude quake struck. death toll is 238. many more were injured. operations are under way to distribute drinking water and medicine to hard-hit areas. following back to back earthquakes rocking southeast japan, we tour one of the hardest hit towns and speaks to one woman struggling to process what just happened. >> reporter: her 80-year-old father survived when this building collapsed on top of him. that's the only piece of good news kiomi has got. it's just so surreal, she says. i'm still in shock. her family ran a is a ln in this building for 40 years, they lived together in the back. but two earthquakes, first on thursday, then again on
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saturday, shredded her home. it's devastating, she says. utterly devastating. kyomi is like thousands of others still reeling from the disaster. dozens killed, hundreds injured and some still missing, buried under twisted metal and wood. >> we watched as a rescue team went property by property looking for anyone still alive. it's grim work. few have been found so far. but that's partly because precautions were taken. this picture is from friday. and this is what that same home looks like right now. oddly enough many people very we have spoken to in the neighborhood say they are hapy n two earthquakes occurred. tens of thousands forced to evacuate so when the second one hit on saturday some 15 times stronger than the first one there are less people around. that might have saved lives.
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>> most evacuees ended up at shelters like this one. kids, dog webs some don't have homes to return to. the ones that do are simply too afraid to go back for year of more aftershocks. everything was shaking so badly during the earthquake, he said, i thought it was the end of my life. count kyomi as one of those with nowhere to go. she is staying in her car for now. but she was calm when she talked us to. only choked up when we asked her, what's next. i wanted this business to stay in my family forgenerations, she says. i'm not sure that can happen now. the earthquakes were over in a few moments but their effect will be felt far longer than that. matt rivers, cnn, japan. >> so much devastation there. for more information on how can you help the rescue and relief efforts as well as japan, go to
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cnn.com/impact. new york a huge prize for which ever candidate can win on tuesday. we will talk about what group of voters, muslims and why some say they are feeling the bern, after this break.
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primaries are dwindling and there are last ditch efforts to win over voters. when it comes to bernie sanders, there is one group the 74-year-old jewish senator may have already won. muslims. "daily beast" contributor joining me now for more on this. you say muslims in new york are feeling the bern. why is that? >> my facebook news feed is filled with my muslims friends saying you have to come to events like in brooklyn. friends saying joining resolution. if a muslim sends that, maybe the fbi shows that. join bernie sanders tp it is for the same reasons we hear nationally. the same reasons are closing in equality gap. extra issue is the muslim palestinian conflict. we hear thus at cnn debate talking about palestinians as human beings. he still proudly pro israel. he talks about security. but we've not heard an american presidential candidate talk about palestinians and fears and
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aspirations, unemployment rates in gaza w, rebuilding gaza, ande have muslims supporting hillary. i've been asking for the last few months, who do you like, bernie, hillary some, hear 300, ask who is supporting ted cruz. if you want to hear them laugh, ask if they've met donald trump. >> some muslims do support donald trump, surprisingly. >> they do, for their own reasons. they just think it is good for the economy. i tried to talk about, what is the other rhetoric. oh, he doesn't mean that. you have to hold them to their word. if you ban all surveillance and less constitutional rights, take them at their word. so a very small percentage. mostly bernie and hillary supporters and again the muslim, in 2000 going for george bush. demonization by certain
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republicans pushing even wealthy conservative muslims who would be natural allies for republicans over to the democratic party. >> just to put this in perspective, did you think the muslim americans make up enough of the demographic to make it up here in new york and elsewhere? >> we are the key. we are the ones you have to -- no. >> i have a feeling you might be biassed. >> yes. muslims came out big. documented by the media. won the biggest muslim population. >> well, it's true. in new york we have actually probably the biggest population over all but we're bigger than michigan. maybe 700,000, 800,000 all together. in brooklyn, dominated by muslims. upstate new york, no one talks about it, albany, buffalo, 15, 20% of the areas now muslim. second biggest group in the areas of new york. they can win a delegate or two up there. i don't think it will tip the
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balance in a race that shows hillary winning by 10. but in tern congressional district it could help them win tickets. >> bernie embraced the muslim community and hillary is too. i get e-mails from muslims. donald trump, honestly, the fear he put in the muslim population turned many to come out and register to vote. they are getting involved in politics. the latino community said the same thing. i wrote about it for cnn. donald trump is animating us in a way we didn't think would be possible. and it is a good thing. >> when you look at bernie sanders, a jewish senator, just came back from a trip to vatican city. he is gal galvanized muslim americans. why do you think he appeals to so many different religions? >> first of all, he is a loveable guy. and i like hillary clinton too. he is real. when you hear what he talks
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about, it resonates with people. i think the issue with muslims and jews, people in the media say, why, there is no reason. we should all get along, especially in america. bernie's message resonates. feeling the bern. some like hillary. feeling the hill too. >> bernie sanders is getting a massive welcoming. his campaign says more than 28,000 people showed up to today's rally. so with captive audience, what does sanders have to say and should hillary be worried? we head to brooklyn, up next.
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bernie sanders is working hard to get his home turf fired up and help him catch clinton in the new york primary on tuesday. sanders spent the day touring his hometown of brooklyn new
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york where he was born. and he just wrapped up a rowdy brooklyn rally where he sounded a wee bit horse from so much talking on the campaign trail. act eer danny devito introduced sanders to the crowd and sanders tweeted that 28,000 people showed up, his largest ever. brynn, what did bernie have to say today? >> pamela, feel the bern, political revolution, it is what the 28 will,000 people were screaming about. bernie feeding off of this crowd today and sticking to his talking points we've heard him talk about in past rallies. that is how he is different from hillary clinton like issues on foreign policy, trade policy, minimum wage be a environmental policies and the big one he points to and that's campaign fund-raising. he says of course that he is very, very different hillary clinton. so the fact that he is not part or in bed with the 1%.
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take a listen. >> here is a simple truth. kwh everybody understands whether you're progressive or conservative and that is you cannot have a super pac raise many millions of dollars from wall street or special interests and then tell the american people with a straight face that you're going to stand up to the big money interest. not true. >> yeah, you can hear the applause after that remark. and honestly, it is something resonating with a lot of voters in this crowd today. we found one person from norway, came all wait here, to new york, just to hear him speak. he can't vote but this is an issue resonating across the globe. pam pamela? >> all right, brynn, thank you so much. saudi arabia has told the
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obama administration that it will sell off hundreds of billions of dollars of american assets if congress allows the saudi government to be held responsible in american courts for any role in the 9/11 attacks. how do you intend to vote as a senator? >> well i need more information before i can give you that decision but clearly you've heard me say, a whole lot of concerns about the role that saudi arabia has been playing for many, many years. not just the individuals who came from saudi arabia who ha attacked us on t9/11. but their support for isis and other terrorist organizations. >> let's talk it over with maria and naomi. so did sanders just flub a key form policy question? why doesn't he know how to vote on the 9/11 bill?
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>> i think a lot of the 9/11 bill and this isn't something out in the open is 28 pages that's been a very difficult thing to discuss. but it's been so private and even members of congress haven't been able to access those 28 pages. it is highly secretive. and i think he answered it perfectly well. don't know until we know. obviously the president has access to it. i don't believe hillary does. it is a very complicated story and a lot of reporters don't understand it. a lot of congressional members don't understand it because they don't have access. >> is there a concern that something like that will just feed the impression on the heels of the new york daily news article that he doesn't have specifics or substance to back up what he's saying? >> i think everything has to be taken within context. the new york daily news article was a very long interview. lat of it has been fact-checked. some of it fact-checked by the "new york times" about his economic policy and they said things like the new york daily
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news editorial board didn't have enough information on -- they didn't understand how the economy worked. and they are asking questions and belittling when he was just giving simple answers. it is a campaign. when you get into too many details people get lost. it is important to know your information and he does. and he has policies listed on his website in detail. obviously hillary clinton was secretary of state and she knows names and faces and that doesn't mean that her record was strong as secretary of state. we need to distinguish the two. she has a resume and that's great, as does he. but she doesn't have a strong record as secretary of state. that's from libya to myanmar to honduras to many other situations when she tried to negotiate a deal. israel, she doesn't have a lot of points on her record. >> maria, what do you have to say to that? i know there was concern among clinton supporters after president obama said his biggest mistake is not having a game plan after libya. others argue she has a strong record of secretary of state. what is your view? >> absolutely she has a strong record as secretary of state.
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in bublg ufr you a algz to than that question, taken alone, a lot of candidates and people don't have access to those kinds of details. but i think on the heels of that new york daily news interview, and take aside or put aside the fact he couldn't answer questions about his own domestic policy in bringing up banks, his answer on foreign policy which was that he had none when he was asked what he thought about, you know, fighting the war on terror with drone strikes, he had no answer to that p he didn't know what he would do if he captured while president a terrorist from isis. had no clue. >> not true. >> taken together those things do underscore the fact that hillary clinton is really the one this this race that is prepared on day one to take on the mantle of commander-in-chief without any cliff notes, without
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having to have a team around her to coach her through the details of what it takes to make those very difficult decisions. and there's a reason why poll after poll you see that americans trust hillary clinton in terms of foreign policy and -- >> whoa that's not true. 34% approval rating with democrats. >> better than anybody else -- better than anybody else in the race including bernie sanders and every single republican. that's why. >> you keep saying that's not true, that's not true. >> yeah. last things aren't. i encourage people to read the transcripts. she is talking about what to do with isis prisoners. that is to keep them at guantanamo bay or bring them to america. that is something that should be debated because it is an issue of contention own both sides and within the democratic party. i spent time in libya after unfortunately ambassador chris stevens passed away in benghazi. the problem with libya is we
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didn't do anything after -- we encouraged nato to tomahawk the weapons facilities. you have a lots of weapons floating around. that is the number one thing people complained about. they were grateful we interviewed but they complained there was no support. we didn't learn lessons from iraq. didn't learn lessons from vietnam. as democrats it is so important we think before we go to war and think about the situations. one thing. think about the situation room meetings between joe biden chair of the foreign relations committee and hillary clinton and how they are in constant battle whether or not to send troops. i think joe biden had the right information and right judgment as his son was everseas in afghanistan and hillary clinton was encouraged to send troops every single step of the way. she is hawkish and out of line with the democratic party. >> before we lose all the time, this clip from ant interview i did earlier with charles blow, basically said sanders and to a
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certain extent, hillary clinton, is essentially overpromising. with sanders political revolution he says is unrealistic. let's listen and talk on the other end. >> the founders did not want revolution. even though they were kind of revolutionary in their own right but this country you have to remember, this country was founded to privileged white men with money. and they did not want anyone to upset that. they restricted voter access and a tremendous amount of restriction at the founder of the country. we have expanded access and equality in this country. but still the original privilege remains and it is not built to be very easily and so the idea you could in one cycle have a revolutionary change is really the system is not built that way. you have built this system over decades and centuries it would take decades and centuries to
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dismantle this system that we have. >> so what's your reaction? basically saying sanders is overpromising. >> thomas jefferson said there should be a revolution every generation. the last revolution the baby boomers did is took the reforms that democratic party went through in 1979 and 1980 and in 1981 decided to make it a corporative party. that was 35 years ago. now it is clear when 70% of the party is more progressive and that they want to have, they want it to be a people's party again and get money out of politics, there are ways to legislate out. there are ways rules can change and dnc. doesn't mean the system will change overnight or we are burning down the house but doesn't mean we sit on our hands and say that's status quo. let's keep it as it is. >> what do you think? disappointed when it is all said and done? >> no. it means the leaders they elect should have real plans and real proposals and be pragmatic about how to get things done.
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yes, you can call for a political revolution. but then you have to put forth proposals that actually make sense and where your numbers add up, which is frankly the problem with bernie sanders when have you his economic proposals and lack of foreign policy proposals, people are left with we love what he is saying but there is no way he can get it done. i think what hillary clinton focused on in the debate and crystallized the core of their difference is every time she said, that it is easy to diagnose a problem, which bernie sanders does beautifully, it is much harder to find a solution, which is what she does beautifully. >> i know you both hate not having the final word but i'm sorry. we were given more time than alotted. >> thank you very much for that. by wait you can hear from bernie sanders tomorrow morning on new day in the 8:00 a.m. eastern hour. donald trump's promise to build a border wall has become one of the biggest and most pledges of his campaign. up next what some mexican immigrants think about how trump
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borders and we're going to have the wall! are you ready? are you ready? >> trump says he will make mexico pay for the wall by stopping undocumented immigrants from sending money back home. supporters seem to like the idea. what do immigrants think? >>. >> reporter: if you go to commune it's cross the united states with high concentration of immigrants from latin-america, you will find places like this. here in atlanta, fiesta mol isn't only a shopping center but also a place where immigrants, mainly mexicans, get together. they shop, they dine in little restaurants like this one, and they do one more thing that is crucial for their families back home. they send money to mexico. >> it's very important to send money because they are working really hard here. and they have most of them have
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families over there. and it's very hard it find jobs in mexico. >>. >> reporter: donald trump's plan to force the mexican government to pay for a border wall by stopping immigrants from transferring money to mexico as you can imagine is cause for great concern for mexican immigrants documented for not. >> this is complete foolishness, he said. he can't do it and we won't let him. we will keep sending money to our people as we always have. according to mexico's central bank, mexicans abroad sent nearly $24.8 billion to their country last year. mainly from the united states. this is more money than mexico's total oil revenue for 2015 estimated at $23.4 billion. this is the first time that incoming money transfers are higher than oil revenues since they started taking records in 1995. so donald trump wants it block
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money transfers to mexico to build a wall. what do you think about that? he only makes me laugh, she says. i don't agree. i'm proudly mexican and i don't agree with what this gentleman wants to do. he is crazy. they should take him to see a psychiatrist. i hope all hispanics, those of us who are citizens, go out and vote against him. these immigrants say no matter what, mexicans will always find a way to help their families back home. rafael romo, cnn, atlanta. >> and coming up on this sunday, hunting a species on the verge of extinction. we go to two nations trying to protect rare rhinos. why one allows the hunting of even the most endangered wildlife. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.
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well turning to a place of great beauty. that's trying to beat an ugly trade. country where it seems like scenes from "the lion king" come to life while certain species are on the verge of extinction in the latest episode of cnn's "the wonder list" we head to botswana to see the efforts to save the endangered black rhino. >> that horn on the black market sells for about $30,000 a pound. twice the price of cocaine. on par with gold. it's the one thing this animal
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uses to defend itself. it's the one thing that makes it one of the most vulnerable creatures in the world. >> once they've acclimated, matt slides open the door and turns them into wild rhinos. >> if you're a gambling man, you're making a $200,000 bet here, what are the chances that all four of these rhinos will live long lives? >> chances are actually in our favor. >> they are? >> because of where we are, this is why botswana has been chosen. we have this structure that i
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talk so much b. political rule right at the top. >> will bill weir, man of the hour joins me. incredible to see that, such beautiful animals what did it take to get to that point where the rhinos were released? >> this is an interesting comparison. botswana is one of the rare countries in africa that's banned hunting on public land. those are white rhinos that flew from a game farm in south africa and set them free, gave their them their first taste of freedom as you saw, because the hunting-protected place, the animal welfare folks hope this is a model for the rest of africa. that it will get rid of hunting. and then these populations of rhino and lion and elephant will bounce back. the hunters, though, have a real problem with this. and they have some science behind them. they say unless we incentivize these creatures as targets for big-game hunters, you remember a guy from texas paid $350,000 to shoot one of the last black
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rhinos in the wild, that without that incentive for africans to keep their animals alive. they'll go extinct, anyway, the poachers will get them. the real problem with rhino is there's this perverse belief in asia that the horn is a status symbol. you grind it into a drink in a nightclub, it's created this incredible black market and these things are being slaughtered. the black rhino will be extinct in ten years if something doesn't happen. animal lovers on one side, poachers on the other, hunters in the middle. it's a fascinating look at which will go first in this social media firestorm age. big game or the big game hunters. >> it seems like every country has their own view. namibia where you visited vows to protect these endangered spea species, yet they allow hunting. >> they'll auction off hunting, pick an old bull, auction off the right to shoot that one old angry bull.
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$350,000 they say then goes into rhino preservation. and anti-poaching patrols, dehorning operations, those sorts of things. it's hugely controversial. to the idea that in order to save a species you should be allowed to shoot it, you know. it's very counterintuitive. especially if you're an animal lover. so to go and actually talk to locals, understand the science behind it. what, how long do we have before we run out of the big five. >> i was going to say as an animal lover. i'm an animal lover, how much optimism is there that the black rhinos can be saved? >> the biggest question. whether it's tigers in india or rhinos in africa. this is a human problem. a lot of countries in africa have much bigger problems than saving a rhino. they have human development. they need hospitals and schools, they've got diseases to worry about. we're at this sort of tipping point. which is kind of the point of the show. let's celebrate the beauty of the special parts of the planet while we have them.
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and then raise the big questions. how are we going to protect these? and our way of life. as another couple billion people join the party in the next three to five years. >> a lot to learn if watching your show. thanks, bill weir, don't miss "the wonder list" tonight at 10:00 p.m. in this race for the presidential nomination, every delegate counts. but are some campaigns crossing the line as they try to woo supporters? what they can and can't do next hour in the cnn news room.
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you're in the cnn news room. i'm pamela brown in for poppy harlow on this sunday, thank you so much for being here with us. we begin with the countdown to the critical primary in new york. the two front-runners, hillary clinton and donald trump are looking for big wins, because recently its their competitors who have had all the momentum. bernie sanders goes into new york having won eight out of the last nine democratic contests. while ted cruz continues to sweep up delegates at gop state conventions, yesterday he picked up 14 of them in wyoming. he goes now to cnn's chris frates in new york. where trump just spoke. so april is a big month for trump as he tries to avoid a contested convention. that begins w

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