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the question voters on both side are asking, is this any way to run a campaign? clinton versus sanders. trump versus cruz and kasich. how long will it take for the front-runners to seal the deal and pivot to the general election. and if it all comes down to hillary clinton versus donald trump, how will bernie sanders supporters vote? could they actually switch to trump? let's get to jim acosta with the trump campaign in maryland. good evening to you, jim acosta. we saw a different, more
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diplomatic donald trump. >> hi, don. >> in last night's speech. how about today? >> reporter: right. yeah, don, i think we can toss that donald trump and the rhetoric we heard last night which was much softer and some were saying much more presidential, is out of the picture. donald trump went back to being donald trump today. i think that's an acknowledgement that they feel inside the campaign. you know, out of the campaign trail in indianapolis and here in maryland, he went right back to referring to ted cruz as lying ted. last night he referred to him as senator cruz. hillary clinton is now crooked hillary is the way donald trump describes her. at one point during his remarks here in maryland, don, he suggested as president, he will continue -- or he wants to investigate hillary clinton's e-mail practices. so nothing has changed in terms of that. i think if anything, we had a brief reprieve from it last
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night in new york. >> interesting. there is trying to pivot to the general election, saying that ted cruz is all but finished mathematically. but he still has to win a lot of delegates to capture this nomination. what is the strategy going forward? >> reporter: that's right. we obtained an internal campaign memo earlier today that is essentially distributed out to surrogates. when surrogates go on tv or anywhere else, they have the trump campaign talking points. what they're talking about is what they consider to be this rigged system of allocating delegates inside the republican party. not only is donald trump saying this out on the campaign trail, they want their surrogates to say this as well. and this is basically a strategy to take all the way to the convention. if they don't have the delegates they need to clinch the nomination, they can say, listen, this is a rigged system. and it gives donald trump essentially that opening if he wants to blame, this is what he
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can blame. one thing mentioned in the memo is donald trump's belief that the establishment is essentially afraid of what he's trying to bring to the republican party. it says, quote, this movement scares the hell out of them, talking about the establishment, and the people scare them. so they will do whatever they can to keep power. so this is something that we've never seen before, don. think back to 2012. would a mitt romney campaign memo ever say something like this? absolutely not. it just shows you this is a different gop front-runner we're dealing with this time around. >> we thought 2008 and 2012, we thought those years were crazy. but we hadn't seen anything then. jim acosta, thank you very much. see you soon. i want to bring in the woman who may have the worst job in all of washington. the entire thing. >> correct, there are two parts of his life.
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there is his life before donald trump, when he was the savior of the gop party, raising millions of dollars, revolutionizing technology data, opening up the party, and then there is his life after donald trump. he's found himself in the middle of a firestorm. so we started by asking him, have there really been shenanigans to get rid of donald trump? and the question he did not want to answer, which is what does he really think of the three gop candidates. i want to do a quick lightning round with you. okay? word association? >> oh, great. these are trouble. >> i say john kasich. you say? >> great governor. >> ted cruz? >> smart. >> donald trump? >> big. >> meaning?
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>> everything he does is big. lots of attention. >> you have no -- you're laughing. why are you laughing? >> these are like the uncharted waters of being chairman of the rnc. spontaneity is usually not your friend. >> and that's the least of his problems. >> hey, it's reince. >> without a doubt, reince priebus, the mild-mannered 44-year-old lawyer from wisconsin has the toughest job in politics this year. working 20-hour days -- >> you should come. >> -- preparing for the possibility of a contested convention -- >> i think the system is working. >> and navigating the gop through the year of trump. >> the system is rigged. these are dirty tricksters. the republican national committee, they should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this kind of crap to happen. >> nonstop damage control.
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>> i find it to be rhetoric, and hyperbo hyperbole. this is a very normal system that we've been using for many years. sometimes you can't fix it. sometimes you can just take a seven-alarm fire and make it a four-alarm fire. it's still burning, but it's not as batted as it was. >> you are the man in the middle. you have donald trump doing his thing. and then you have the gop establishment, whatever that is. >> that's a word that apparently no one can quite define. but i understand it. >> all those people over there who are not on the same side. >> right. >> as donald trump. they're saying, well, it's all your fault. why didn't you get rid of him? >> yeah. well, look, being in the middle, you have to accept the fact that there is a thousand opinions.
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i mean, so -- i'm so used to it, that i don't even kafr. it doesn't bother me. >> you're not pulling out your hair? >> no. i'm not. people assume, oh, you must be miserable. you've got a horrible job. but i don't see it that way. that's what i'm saying, i'm not pouring bailey's in my cereal, sitting here trying to find the johnny walker. this is fun. >> in fact, the day we spent with him, he raised $1.2 million with just a few phone calls. >> let's talk about money. >> took a brief break for hoops. >> i'm going to take you guys down. there we go. come on. >> and showed off his prized possessions. >> the gavel. this is when i actually won in 2011. >> ever attempted to use it? >> well, i don't have to try
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that hard. this is the chair that clint eastwood spoke to at the convention. so when this all happened, you know, i obviously was perplexed when i was watching it. >> you and everyone else. >> and then when i leaned over -- because i was down behind the stage most of the time. i leaned over the balcony and i see the teleprompter and it was blank. i thought, oh, my gosh, there's nothing on that screen. he's just winging it. and then i remember going back, i left, went back behind the stage and told the chief of staff at the time and id, get me the chair. >> he said there are three things that are critical giting through the day. the greek ordinary docks litter ji, the republican platform, and this. >> and of course, i've got the brewers' schedule on top, because i will put on mlb tv and have that in the background if i
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need to not watch the in us. >> other escapes? time with his family. >> all right. try to eat with cameras in your face. >> and he plays the piano. really well. ♪ >> just goof off. that's what i do. >> but priebus admits he's always been a proud political nerd. as early as 3rd grade, he was lobbying classmates to support ronald reagan. and he even used the gop to woo his wife. you went to prom together. but sally, on your first date, he took you to a political dinner. he took you to the lincoln day dinner. >> right. >> swept you off your feet. >> right. >> what kind of first date is that? >> it's crazy. i think he tricked me. i think he tricked me and i
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ended up at the political event. which i didn't know about at first, because he told me we were going to the movies. but, you know, we made it. pretty boring. pretty bad. but we did go to the movie afterwards and we had a great time. >> he says you can't say you didn't know what you were getting into. >> yeah, i did. >> that said, neither one thought their lives would be consumed by the roller coaster of donald trump. >> reince is very strong. he has a thick skin. he lets it roll off his shoulders. you know, he's tough. he doesn't tolerate a lot of drama. >> including rumors that he might try to convince one of his best friends, speaker paul ryan, to be a so-called white knight candidate in a contested convention. >> he would kill me. and i wouldn't do it. and i agree with him. you have to want to actually want to be president of the united states. he doesn't want to be right now. he's not going to have a floor
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operation to get it done. it won't happen. >> he said if i do that, he'll kill me. >> yep. yes, i would. >> an old political pro told me to be rnc party chairman, you're either the bravest person in town, or the craziest person in town. which is it for him? >> it probably requires a little bit of both would be my guess. especially these days. reince, i would put him in the bravest category. >> brave or crazy, priebus insists his only concern is being neutral. for the record, are you conspiring against donald trump? >> of course not. of course not. >> is there a plan to steal the nomination? >> there's nothing to steal. either you have the votes or you don't. >> and you will be at peace if he's the nominee? >> i'm going to be at peace with whoever the nominee is. because i know that whoever the nominee is is going to beat hillary clinton. >> so jamie, you know, it's a tough job. i'm not sure you would want to be in his shoes going up against
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donald trump attacking him, saying he should be ashamed of himself. i believe in what he says, it doesn't bother him much. but some of it has to penetrate a little bit, doesn't it? >> we spent a lot of time with him. he gets frustrated. and he does not like it when the party is attacked. his favorite word these days is transparent. he wranants to really be neutra. that said, i want to tell you, he told us straight out, i get along with donald trump. you're laughing. >> here's the thing. i'm laughing because i think if most people, if you meet donald trump in person, he's a very personable guy. but then some of the -- when you see him out on the campaign trail, you think, who is this guy i actually met in person. >> that's what happened to him. remember, a couple of weeks ago, trump went down to the rnc. they had this meeting. everything was fine and dandy. then the delegate thing came up.
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and trump goes, as we say, crackatella about it. but priebus says, look, he sees that as a political move to energize his base and get out the vote. >> how much scrutiny is he understand and does he feel the pressure of trying to prove to everyone that the system isn't rigged? >> that, i think is true. i think it's the reason he's never done a profile like this before. his wife has never done an interview. i really think he wanted to show exactly that open book. >> my favorite? >> you like the piano? >> the piano's great. he's an award-winning pianist. >> he's won at competitions, yes. >> he's a complicated and very talented person. i like the sense of humor that he had about the clint eastwood moment. wouldn't you be like, oh, my gosh? what the heck is he going to say? >> he said, go get me that chair. >> did you learn anything, i guess you probably learned a lot
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about him that was unexpected. i'm sure you did your research on him. but being there with him, what did you think? is he worried donald trump says, i'm going to fire reince priebus as soon as i become the nominee? >> first of all, he's elected to office, so he can't get fired. also, he speaks very openly, that apart from anything else, this was really going to be his last term. i think one of the hardest things on him is that there are gop establishment folks who blame him for donald trump. they think he's been too fair. so he's getting -- he's going to have to get some more body armor, because he's getting it from both sides. >> cleveland's coming up and -- >> get ready. >> thank you very much. don't go anywhere. we'll continue talking with you. donald trump's landslide victory in new york hasn't turned him into a kinder, gentler candidate. he still says the system is rigged. is he on the verge of winning
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donald trump wasting no time after his big victory in new york, hitting the campaign trail tonight in maryland. one of the five states in the northeast holding primaries. next tuesday. back with me now is jamie. and we're joined by bob beckel. and republican strategist john brabender, as well as matt
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lewis, author of "too dumb to fail." good to have all of you. he won in a landslide last night winning all the available delegates. yet he is still calling the system rigged. let's take a listen to his victory speech. >> nobody should be given delegates which is a ticket to victory, and it's not a fair ticket. even though we're leading by a lot, and we can't be caught, it's impossible to catch us, nobody should take delegates and claim victory unless they get those delegates with voters, and voting. and that's what's going to happen. and you watch, because the people aren't going to stand for it. it's a crooked system. it's a system that's rigged. we're going to go back to the old way. it's called you vote and you win. >> this seems to be the new pitch speech for donald trump at the moment. is it working with his supporters, matt? >> it certainly works with his supporters. there is a strategy behind this.
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and it could even play out in cleveland where you have people intimidated or pressured, because there's a system being stolen. it's a complete strategy. i feel like right now donald trump also has this identity crisis happening. what you're seeing with trump is a microcosm of the trump campaign. on one hand there's a sense he should soften his rhetoric a little bit, be more presidential. on the other hand, there's the old donald trump saying, let trump be trump. he's got him this far, keep doing it. >> first of all -- go ahead. i wanted to put up the numbers about how the system is working in donald trump's favor. but when you said the old donald trump versus the new donald trump campaign, do you have any ideas how the two might merge and then he becomes one singular candidate out of this? >> i don't know that he will every become one singular candidate. just because we saw one last night, and then he was right
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back to the old donald trump today. but i do think that you're seeing two tracks on the campaign. you're seeing the old donald trump track, and then you're seeing the paul manafort and friends track. and they are going to handle this in a very different way. they're going to be more professional. >> teleprompters. >> teleprompters. try to discipline him. and some days they'll succeed and some days they won't. >> so let's talk about the system being rigged. listen, according to our numbers here, donald trump has won 47% of the delegates so far. and about 38% of the votes across all contests. so, you know, the delegate process is actually in his favor. that's almost 50%. he keeps saying, you know, it's rigged, it's rigged. >> well, it's a byzantine and archaic system. and it is rigged for donald trump. as you can see. he's actually overperforming. he's gotten more delegates than he should have, if it were
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purely based on the votes. but it's also a good talking point. and i would say that the establishment has done a very poor job heretofor of pushing back. a bumper sticker message. i saw sean spicer, rnc guy, tonight finally i thought with an analogy that made a lot of sense. he said it's like a football game. if you get close, you don't win. if you get to the 2 yard line, we don't give you a touchdown. you have to get the touchdown. >> it's not hoarse shoes. >> ectly. >> i advise candidates on messaging. i do think donald trump is making a mistake right now. everything is about what if he doesn't get to the magic number. how does he get people, say, i still want to have him. and so the way to do that is first talk about hillary clinton. for our party she's the great unifier. talk about hillary, everybody on our side gets unified on wanting to beat her. second of all, i do think he has
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to offer more of a vision and get rid of talking about delegates. he's got to get people to say, i can see him as president, i can support him and i think he can beat hillary. that's where i don't think the rhetoric is right now. >> bob beckel, your turn? >> i think getting donald trump to be different than donald trump is like getting me to be republican. that ain't going to happen. the other thing you've got to consider here, this is all part of the hundred-vote strategy. he gets within a hundred votes, he's going to win this thing. roughly 200 delegates will be on the floor that are not committed. it's a smart strategy. the last thing i would say is, who in their right mind would run on a ticket with donald trump if they had any political future. ask yourself, if you are adviser to a senator or governor, would you say take that job? >> listen, if you believe the people who support him, and donald trump, they could end up working for the next president of the united states. not many people --
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>> where are you seeing that? >> a lot of the people who are supporting him are people who have a bright future behind him. scott browns of the world, giuliani of the worlds. >> a lot of people who have supported donald trump from the beginning. cory lewandowski, one of them, they have been behind him from the very beginning when everybody else said, he doesn't stand a chance. bob, you said this will go until september, october, then it kept going. >> you find me a senate candidate in a marginal state who will appear with donald trump in their state. i'll bet you don't find it. they'll be on the other side of the state or out in the state raising money. who would interfere with trump. >> john? >> i'm just glad that bob earlier said hillary can win from jail because it's clear the democrats are working on that campaign platform. >> that goes back to another segment that we had that bob beckel said in our 10:00 how.
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i want to talk about something that bob said regarding this magic 100 number, or getting close to the delegates. cnn obtained a copy of an internal campaign memo, and it predicts trump will get 1,400 delegates before the convention. do you think that he can do that, john? >> i think paced on the momentum from yesterday, he got 60 some percent of the vote, cruz got less than 15. you'll have five states next week where i think donald trump very may well can run the table. i think there's going to be a certain inevitability, fatigue among the republicans saying, why do we keep hitting our head against the wall, maybe we actually have to figure out if he's really going to win this many delegates, how to actually join him rather than fight him. i think there's a real possibility if he does run the table next week. >> jamie, there are many on the democratic side hoping for the turn-around on the republican side, for a contested convention. what if he's able to win this nomination outright? what happens with their
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strategy? >> the strategy goes away. you know, on the other hand, he's going to do donald things. so there's always a lot of material -- >> and there's so much video footage of things he's done anyway. even if he became mr. boy scott, there is still all this video footage that they'll use. >> everyone stay with me. we're not done yet. when we come right back, if the general election is trump versus clinton, will the bernie sanders supporters vote democrat or defect and vote republican? want younger looking hair in 30 minutes?
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big wins in new york for donald trump and hillary clinton, changing the dynamics of both the republican and the democratic races. back with me, jamie. you basically are just co-hosting the show with me tonight. >> i'm so happy to be with here. >> bob has had a lot of time on. so has john as well. so listen, donald trump and hillary clinton are one step closer to becoming the presidential nominees of their parties. but what happens in november?
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if this is a matchup? megan mccain thinks bernie supporters can actually throw their weight behind trump instead of clinton. >> the bernie sanders is a cult leader. i saw people tweeting last night that they would vote for trump over clinton. don't underestimate how -- i was going to say something inappropriate -- the young millennials have bought into this cult, how angry they'll be at her. >> okay, mr. beckel, let's assume for a moment trump wins the republican nomination. you said there is no way that trump can win the general election. do you think trump can get some of bernie's supporters? >> well, if they're drunk enough. listen, the chances of anybody who supports bernie sanders, be they black, women, latinos, millennials, they're not going to do it. it's just open-it is so -- i don't know, you're a smart guy. whoever gave you that lead out of the last break was crazy.
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tell the writers to get that on. i don't want to see you caught with that. >> i wrote it myself, bob. jamie, raise your hand, jamie is going to -- will defer. she differs. she thinks it's possible. at least hears it's possible. >> i'm a big fan of jamie's, but i'm not going to give her the political hat yet. for her sake, she's a brilliant person -- stay away from politics. >> let her speak her own mind here. >> i was trying to give her an out, man. >> bob, i love you. we've known each other a long time. so this is just anecdotal. but i will tell you that in the last six months out on the campaign trail, talking to civilians, i cannot tell you the number of times when i would say to someone, who are you going to support, they said donald trump. and then i would say if it's not donald trump, who would you support? because frankly, i was trying to
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figure out where in the republican field they would go next. and inevitably the answer was, bernie sanders. i apologize, bob. i apologize. >> there is something to that. they're both consummate outsiders. they're both against, you know, adventurism. they're both against free trade. and they're both tapping into the working class white angst and frustration out there. you can blame immigration as trump does. you can blame globalization as trump and sanders does. nobody blames automation, which is actually a big part of this story. but there is something out there. i don't know they'll actually end up showing -- i think more likely they'll stay home. >> so before i get really in trouble with my old boss here, i will say, those are anecdotal stories. i truly believe that what's much more likely is that those folks will stay home. they won't vote for anyone.
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>> john, i would tell anecdotal stories about what people would say to me about donald trump, especially after interviewing him and saying, you know, i like that trump guy, and it has transferred to them actually going out, people actually going out to vote for him. my question is, john, are democrats underestimating how angry these young millennial vors are just as they underestimated donald trump's appeal. >> i did. and i think a lot of republicans did. the truth of the matter is, at least what i've come to believe is, donald trump is not about donald trump. it's about the people who are supporting donald trump. and they're channeling through him. he's their megaphone, their lobbyist. they would never be able to afford a lobbyist. and they like the fact that he irritates people that are on this show, and that irritates the establishment. and they just see that as he's authentic. and because of that, they are going to be there for him come hell or high water in november.
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and i disagree with bob. i think that hillary will lose from jail. >> listen, keep this number in mind. 62%, that's never happened. he couldn't win a rigged election in cuba. it's just not going to happen. trump's are not movable. come on. >> trump went through a lot more incoming than hillary has come through so far. i think that her unfavs are going to go a lot higher. >> in 25 years she's been the incoming. >> she complains about bernie sanders, like going to tea parties there. not the kind on our party. where they rough up each oemplt the truth of the matter is, hillary's had a pretty easy ride. we haven't spent a lot of time about whether she is going to go to jail or not. and at some point a lot of this is going to be talk about that. >> bob, i know if you can separate yourself from what you
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actually believe is going to happen and just become a political -- someone who has seen the process before, let's just say that these voters, it does happen. how much will it hurt hillary clinton if these voters stay home? >> well, not much. a lot of these voters are not going to -- will it hurt her? maybe in michigan a little bit, or illinois a little bit. i just don't see the coalition of trump voters who are going to go -- they'll stay home. they won't vote for hillary clinton, no question about that. but the idea that trump voters would vote for sanders, you're talking about a cold war here. would the russians vote for the americans? no. i'm not trying to -- i am being a political analyst and i'm telling you, this ain't going to happen. >> listen, though, donald trump has already drawn a comparison between himself and bernie sanders. he said bernie wins and wins and wins, and then the pundits say he can't win.
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>> why not. >> matt? >> i don't think he's trying to appeal to the voters, but i think what he's trying to do is make this a bipartisan argument in a sense, that it's not -- the american feel like the game is rigged. and the american people feel like we're not winning. and that we're having these horrible trade deals and we're getting involved in -- and that the elites are controlling things. i think he's making that a bipartisan argument. and there is -- i think that resonates. >> in a weird way, donald trump speaks out against wall street, bernie sanders speaks out against wall street. >> if donald trump runs against hillary clinton, he could hit hillary from the left on a lot of things. frankly, his arguments against hillary would be similar to bernie's arguments against hillary. >> thank you, everyone. bob, got to go. >> that's fine. just wait until the fall. we've got plenty of tape. >> when we come right back, president obama's chilly reception in saudi arabia. ♪
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white house threat to veto a bill that would allow them to sue saudi arabia. that's as president barack obama meets in saudi arabia with king solomon. administration officials saying they cleared the air amid tensions between the longtime ally. joining me now, ari fleischer. the obama administration argues this bill would allow other countries to retaliate against america. >> there is part validity to it. for example, the united states military, we operate in syria, we operate in iraq, we operate in a number of nations, we operated in libya. if our military kills civilians, will we now lose our immunity? will our pilots and military have to go to courts in other lands and be sued? this opens up a world that has previously been closed. immunity has been an agreement that has benefited the united states around the world. if we start to unravel it now here, we could be at risk of other nations misinterpreting it to target us. >> saudi officials have long
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denied any involvement in the 9/11 plot. and the 9/11 commission has found no evidence that the saudi government or senior saudi officials individually funded the plot. do you believe they played a role and at what level? >> i would very much like to see the senate report. i would like to know what they know. based on what the 9-1-1 commission showed, the saudi government actually was tremendously helpful to us in fighting terror. there was no evidence that the saudi government played any role in september 11th. now, below the levels, the highest levels of the saudi government, they wink and look the other way as many of their princes and underlings and other people and institutions and pay money to make terrorism go away inside their own borders. pakistan and saudi are two of the nations that have the most two-faced approaches. but at the top levels of the government, the king, the foreign minister, the top people
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in the military, they were powerfully pro-american and have been for a long time. >> let's talk more about the 28-page report you're talking about. on monday, president obama and the white house said it's almost finished with the review of the confidential 28-page sectioning of the congressional report. families of 9/11 victims would like to see these 28 pages be released. do you think they should be? >> absolutely. people have a right to know what happened. if there's something that the have a right to know. e, we all- >> why are they classified then? >> i suspect because of sources and methods. because they have something that indicates how we got something and they don't want that known. >> the president landed in saudi arabia today where he will work to ease tensions between washington and riyadh. what do you make of his visit? >> i think the united states sadly has missed a tremendous opportunity in the middle east. there's been historic strategic realignment that puts israel, egypt, saudi arabia, jordan on
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one side, and iran, qatar and a couple other nations on the other side. we have taken the side basically of iran against saudi arabia. that baffles me. so the united states has bad relations with saudi arabia right now. basically because of our acquiescence to iran. and we're missing a boat on a big strategic realignment. >> ari fleischer, thanks. >> thank you, don. >> i want to discuss this with the a chief of a fire department, his son lost his life on 9/11. i'm so sorry for your loss. your son was a -- he was a fireman in the world trade center. >> yes. >> this bill would allow families, victims' families to sue the saudis. you want to see this passed. but even the bill's co-sponsor, lindsay graham, has put a hold on it. what's your reaction to that? >> i'm sitting here listening to
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the bush administration. they said they told us about the weapons of mass destruction, and ground zero, the air was fine. i was in a coma for 16 days. they have some nerve. we should be allowed -- all they're looking for is a right to sue. they can go to court and we'll -- what they're doing now is having sovereign immunity. this law will wipe out the saudi immunity and we'll be able to go to court and sue them if they aided, abetted or finance the terrorists. >> who is the co-sponsor of the bill who said could open it up to legal attack? >> all of a sudden maybe inside saudi arabia has seven firms and lobby down in washington. maybe he got some money or something. i think the families deserve the right. this was not a routine attack, not a routine thing. this was a mass murder of people. we need this legislation to prevent this from happening again. to punish the people that fund these attacks. and we have nothing right now.
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and if we continue like that, we'll never have nothing. >> you say it's a slap in the face to the families. do you think, though, that the white house, now lindsay graham, do you think they're looking at a bigger picture? >> i think they're looking at something else between saudi arabia and them. they should think about the american families. 3,000 people died. i picked up the parts down there. they're worried about the saudi feelings, and threatening them with the $750 billion. let them do what they want. we have to stop the terrorists with the funding. and right now we're not doing it. president obama is going to reject the bill. he didn't even read the 28 pages in the classified report. he said we're going to get routine lawsuits. 9/11 was not routine. it was a major, major attack. we need legislation to prevent countries from doing this. otherwise paris is going to happen again, san bernardino and 9/11 is going to happen again and again unless we hold these people accountable. >> ari fleischer said that the administration is worried that this could put americans overseas in jeopardy.
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do you agree with that? >> i don't agree with that. i think that -- this is legislation that's strictly for terrorist attacks. we're not going to be supporting terrorist attacks. our people aren't going to support thesm. if you do, you do deserve to be sued and held accountable. that's what it's about. not about -- they're worried about routine lawsuits. there's nothing routine about 9/11. for them to say that, that's ridiculous. >> you said you believe the president didn't even read the 28-page classified report. but you want that report to be released. why is that so important to you? >> it's so important to us because we want to have the right to sue them. and to bring this information into the court. if you look at those 28 pages, some of the people that have read it, there's been -- out in san diego, money exchanged hands between handlers and 9/11 hijackers from the saudi embassy out there. they treated these people with kid gloves. the bush administration flew 100 people right after 9/11, the bin laden family, the only plane allowed up, back to saudi arabia. while we the firemen were down
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there digging, looking for our loved ones. if we do this, with this bill, it will prevent these countries to be held accountable. nobody's been held accountable for 9/11, from guantanamo, to get the 28 pages. all we're doing is being able to go into court. they're not guilty. they'll be able to defend themselves. if they didn't do it, and the pages show they didn't, they'll be off the hook. i don't know why they're threatening us. >> if you're allowed to sue, what will you sue for? what will the families sue for? what do you want? >> we're not even thinking of money or anything like that. we want accountability. we want it to be known that saudi arabia, if you look at these pages, they said it doesn't affect national security. but that's the reason they held them. why did they hold them up? because bush had oil ties with the king of saudi arabia? we have to ask these questions. why did they protect them?
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they had numerous things in these 28 pages where local police departments had information, and the fbi squashed it. they said, no, it's the saudis, leave them alone. that's what's in the 28 pages. let's release them. don't repeat history. they need to get the know the history, not hide it from us. >> what do you think of the president's trip? >> i saw he got a cool reception at the airport. i think he ought to put them right in their place. and say, listen, if you're not guilty, you have nothing to worry about. and the families deserve this, 3,000 families, heart broken. my son's never going to walk back in the door. we deserve to know what happened. we deserve to see the 28 pages. and it would be a good law to prevent future attacks in the future like paris, san bernardino, 9/11. and we don't want them happening here on american soil. and that's what they're going to protect. >> jim, thank you again. i appreciate you coming in.
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