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performing prince's "purple rain." ♪ purple rain >> this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. thank you so much for joining us. a tribute to prince pouring in tonight as investigators try to learn why he died so suddenly at the young age of 57. the autopsy is now complete, but it could be days or weeks until the test results come in. police say there were no signs of trauma on prince's body and they have no reason to believe his death was a suicide. meanwhile, on the campaign trail, we're counting down to the next big contest, five states voting on tuesday, with hundreds of delegates at stake on both sides. are the front runners getting close to sealing the deal? we'll discuss all of that this evening, but i want to get into it -- beginning with cnn's kyung lah joining us from minnesota. hello again to you.
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you spoke to someone who saw prince, just a few days before he died, what did she tell you about what she learned about today's investigation? >> the most remarkable thing we learned, don, is she was actually able to capture some video of prince doing something mundane, riding his bicycle in a strip mall near his house. she said he looked quite healthy. it is confusing to her and investigators who are trying to piece together a timeline. they say that they know some specifics, they know he was battling the flu, they know he had canceled some concerts, he picked up those concerts, he was healthy enough to ride a bicycle. the night before he last seen alive and fine at 8:00 p.m. and the next morning when he did not pick up his phone, staff started to get confused and concerned and that's when they discovered him collapsed in the elevator. the investigators say what is going to happen now is they want to try to talk to as many people
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as they can. the autopsy is done. they need to figure out who was he seeing, where did he go? was he suffering from anything significant? don? >> cnn's kyung lah, thank you for that. joining me exclusively, so icon ron isley of the isley brothers, close friends, close to prince. he joins us now via phone. thank you, mr. isley. how are you? >> how are you doing, don? >> i've been better. how are you? >> oh, man, me, my brothers and family, everybody is just upset over this thing. you know, it is just something that is hard to believe. >> yeah. did he influence your music? you guys, you know, were around about the same time. did he influence you at all? >> we started, like, 20 years before him, you know. and so he -- when he started, in the business, he would call us at the studio, and talk about
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records and we would talk about what we were doing and we talk about the things that he was doing. >> yeah. but i remember, drop the bomb and all of that back in the '80s, i said you were around for the same time. i knew you started years before him. i wonder if you went back and forth and were inspirations to each other. did you even collaborate? >> yeah, yes, we did. him and my brother, you know, on the guitar, that, you know, ernie would play his guitar and talk about, you know, what he was recording and that type of thing all the time. >> yeah. his music transcended genres, generations. he also helped collaborate with so many artists. can you think of another musician like him, who helped so many artists? we hear about the young people he was trying to help out. is anyone else like him? >> sam cook. sam cook would write songs for other artists and, you know, he
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would share his everything with you, you know? >> yeah. >> when you mentioned sam cook, you made me think about sam cook, you made me think about little richard, jimi hendrix, james brown. and if you look at -- i said last night, he's all of that rolled into one and prince, unique in that respect. a lot of people had -- a lot of people influenced him, but he also influenced a lot of people. talk to me about those people who he sort of -- i think he brought them into the present, even though they already had a present. i think he brought many people into the presence because they had such an influence on him. >> they would talk to us about jimi hendrix played with us and he would talk to us about jimi and want to know different things about jimi. jimi, living at our house at the time. another musician that he knew about was elton john played with
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us when we were -- when we were in england. and so we would talk about all those -- just about everything and just -- and everybody. yeah. >> yeah. what do you think his greatest hit was? >> "purple rain." "purple rain". the movie and just the whole nine. we thought so much of that, you know. and god bless his family and -- it's just -- he's going to really be missed. he was one of the greatest. >> yeah. what are you going to miss -- how often -- you said you guys -- i know that you said he would come over and you would talk to him. when is the last time you had spoken to him? had you spoken to him recently? >> we were in minnesota, i think it was october, around october, we played minnesota.
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and at the theater. i think that would be the last time. >> yeah. what do you think about most when you think about prince, mr. isley? >> he's going to be -- his music will be here forever. his music and what he did in the business will be the same as michael jackson or, you know, just the greatest. >> yeah. you know, can i ask you a question? we have talked about it on this program when other artists have passed, and now about ownership and about a lot of those artists, especially artists of color during your time, in the music industry, when you started, and before, other people taking their stuff, making money off of it, they died poor. prince really fought against that. how important was that? >> it is very important. you know, we -- from 1969 on up,
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you know, we started with our label and had ownership of everything. and so i was glad to see him be able to get his ownership back. and that was very important to us and he would talk about that, with us. >> ron isley, we appreciate you joining us. thank you so much. >> i thank you. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in -- go ahead, continue mr. isley. >> the family just keep him in our prayers and everything and, you know, he's in the right place now. >> in heaven. >> yes. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you, don. >> i want to bring in now rolling stone contributing editor douglas brinkley, latest book called "rightful heritage, franklin d. roosevelt and the land of america.
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and alan light. can i start with you, talking about this, when i was talking to him about ownership and artists who went to their graves broke because of record labels, some other artist had stolen their material and many times, most of the time, those were artists of color, that's a real thing. >> that's certainly a real thing and it is interesting that mr. isley referenced sam cook because that really was the pioneer, the first person who was thinking and talking to other artists of color about the need to get involved in the business, get involved in the music publishing and other side of everything that was going on with the industry. we think about prince in the '90s when he changed his name to the symbol and we didn't know what to call him and he turned into a punch line for a little while, but those issues he was raising about who controls how his music was released, when and why his music was released, who owned those recordings, you know, those are all the things that right now in a digital universe are the center of every
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debate we're having about what the future of this business is going to be. how do musicians get paid? who does decide how and when is the best way for them to put music out? so i think he knew he was maybe making himself look a little ridiculous in the way he was presenting himself, but he was drawing attention to issues that i think he saw an urgency to, you know, 10 or 15 years before a lot of the rest of us caught up. >> as a historian, i would be interested to get your perspective on that. that's going to be -- is that going to be part of prince's legacy, big part of it? >> well, yes, you know, very fact he had to have slave on his -- and did it so bravely, prince is so brave to think of how many african-american artists have been ripped off over the decades, how shabbily we treated little richard in the '50s, chuck barry went to jail, hounded by the law, and he stood up in so many ways for african-american artists in the past, and paved a way in the
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future. it is all part and parcel for this highly individual minnesotan who, you know, didn't take any gruff from anybody, but was a deeply spiritual man, a jehovah's witness at the end of his life, somebody who tried to not be about power and bullying but about love and sexual healing. >> i think what doug is starting to say there, the thing that is interesting is this business crusade he was fighting was consistent with this absolute independence and pure creative vision that always drove what prince did. this was a kid who he was a teenager and offered his first record deal, he turned it down because he was holding out for complete creative control. think about, you're some teenage kid from minneapolis, you get offered a shot at the big time and say, no, i'm not going to sign that deal because i need to be in charge of what my music sounds like. that was always what drove him was trying to be as true and as close to his own vision, own creative spirit as he could and that moved into this business
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fight. >> how hard is that to do when you're an artist and, you know, during your time, you're making money, you're the top of the charts, right? you don't want to tick off the record label, you don't know where your future is going to go, and you say, you know what, i'm going to drop -- i'm going to take my name out of it for a while, put slave on my face, and i'm going to fight for other artists include ing myself. that takes you know what. >> absolutely. and incredible self-confidence, but self-confidence, don, backed by practice, you know. his parents were jazz musicians. you don't become as quality a musician as prince without playing, playing, playing. we were talking earlier on your excellent tribute show you've been doing, don, about the vault and all the songs. he couldn't go a week without doing something because it was just part of his life blood. >> i want you to listen to this. this is lyrics and i wonder if the lyrics put him in a different category. listen to this.
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♪ ♪ i'm not your lover i'm not your man ♪ ♪ i am something you never can pretend ♪ >> lyrics like that earned him a real -- the real nickname of his royal badness. there were other very provocative lyrics he had as well. >> this is somebody who from the beginning trafficked in, first of all, in being absolutely fearless about being controversial, being daring. >> controversy. >> writing about things that were on his mind and inside of himself. controversy. he came out with that song and sang am i black or white, am i straight or gay? he knew the power also of mystery and secrecy and keeping people guessing and wondering. we live in a world now where everybody instagrams every cup of coffee they have and it is all about impressions and likes
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and being visible all the time. i think prince had that sense, people will stay interested in you if they still want to know more about you if they're not sure about where you came from. he was a master of working with, you know, big themes and big ideas and not turning over all the cards. >> i wonder how much he was able to look into the future because you and i have been speaking a lot about donald trump, right? he wrote a song for r&b group the time and the lyrics featured a prominent political figure, we all hear about today and that's donald trump. listen to this. ♪ donald trump maybe that's that you need a man that fulfills your every wish ♪ ♪ your every dream ♪ donald trump black version ♪ ♪ come on take a chance 1990s love affair ♪
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♪ the real romance >> you have to smile when you hear that. let me just say this, that, you know, donald trump tweeted he met prince numerous occasions, calling him -- the musician an amazing talent and a wonderful guy. what do you think that song meant? >> well, it is funny, and it is about power in the '80s. the greed is good, donald trump becomes very big in 1987, prince had doan ne an album called "si of the times," quite political, and in the 1990s making a joke about trump, i'll be your -- it is bringing in trump in a clever way and seems to hold up well today. >> comedians have made jokes about donald trump as black man because he likes gold and all those things. you heard that. i'm not saying you haven't heard -- >> the most interesting -- one
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of the most interesting things, you spend time around prince and i would be around him for different stories, you have the sense that he landed from outer space and he was this completely disconnected figure from the world. but then there was this side of him, this guy from minneapolis, who liked to talk about basketball, liked to talk about new movies that were out and records that were out, was involved in different social causes, charities, you know, understood what that was to make a joke, to make a punchline out of donald trump. for all of the things that made him different than every other person on earth, there was also a part of him that was grounded and connected to the reality. and that was always the most surprising thing. you know. you knew when he could do these incredible musical things that nobody else alive could do. you expected that. what you didn't expect was something that, you know, one of your friends might say. >> what does this loss mean? >> i think we lost the towering musical genius of a generation. there is nobody who could do all of the things as a singer, songwriter, producer,
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instrumentalist, band leader, nobody had all the tools the way he did and he did all of that better than anybody else. and i think he stood for this independence and the idea that if you're an artist, you always move forward, you're always creating, you're always evolving. he set that example, not just for musicians, but all creative people that follow him. that's the most important thing we take from him. >> thank you. i appreciate it. see you soon. we're going to talk more about prince and his legacy. when we come back, i want to turn to the other big story tonight, the race for the white house. big votes coming up in five days. we'll tell you what to watch for. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. even a stag pool party. (party music) (splashing/destruction) (splashing/destruction) (burke) and we covered it, october twenty-seventh, 2014.
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calendar. five states voting in tuesday's primaries with a total of 172 rendell gattrepublican delegate stake. with us is michael smerconish. i want to talk about the audio recording obtained in the closed door meeting in florida. we'll hear donald trump's campaign manager saying trump has been playing a part during this campaign. listen to this clip. >> trump is an outsider. he's sitting in a room, talking business, talking politics. it is a different -- he's on the stage, he's talking about the kinds of things, he's talking about himself, he's projecting an image that is for that purpose. the part he's been playing is evolving, the part that you you've been expecting but he wasn't ready for. >> is any of this true, he's pretending to be an insurgent at
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the rallies and slamming the system in the rules, but in reality he's playing a game? >> it totally buys into everything i always thought about him, even since two corinthians. it is all shtick, saying whatever he needs to say to get through the republican primary process. >> let's talk then. if he really is doing that, i've heard people say that from the beginning, i don't know if he believes anything that comes out of his mouth, he will say anything. i'm saying what other people are saying. this isn't me talking. isn't that more -- isn't that worse than if he actually believed it? because then you're not telling the truth. you're pretending. >> your question is, aren't people going to ditch him now? if it is all bs, aren't they going to run for cover. >> they say ted cruz, i believe ted cruz believes what he says. >> i got a friend who said to me, as between trump and cruz, he doesn't like either of them. i'm going with trump. cruz, he believes all that crazy stuff he says. trump, he doesn't believe any of it. >> what does that mean? >> i don't think trump's core constituency will abandon him
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for any reason. think about all the things that have taken place thus far and i thought, when he said what he said about john mccain, i thought it is over. i don't think this was a mistake. i think this was deliberate. paul manafort is a sophisticated customer. he's been around. he knew exactly what he was doing. he knows better than to say something even behind closed doors without it getting out. >> what is the endgame? >> the end game is, ready for this, the pivot to the fall. donald trump is doing the math, he knows he's getting close to 1237, he's already making a play for centrists and look at what happened yesterday with north carolina, with the transgender issue, he broke from all of the conservatives on that, and said, you know, i don't care who uses what bathroom. if caitlyn jenner comes into the trump tower, let caitlyn jenner choose whatever bathroom she chooses. >> we mentioned ted cruz, people believe he believes all the things he says. he jump ud right ed right on th
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>> telling us he's lying to us, you look at what his campaign manager says is that this is just an act this is just a show. >> okay. so is this a problem? he's a front-runner. >> right. >> cruz has his own baggage. remember he came here to wall street and was behind closed doors and in a conference room, someone recorded him, that tape came out and he was pretty much saying the same thing. so i think to the public, they think they're all like this, the only thing different about trump is at least his campaign manager is admitting it. >> not going to hurt him. >> i don't think it hurts him with his core constituency. can he woo the people he needs to win the general? that remains to be seen. >> let's go. you jumped ahead a little bit in the playbook. let's talk about the whole north carolina bathroom issue. he said leave things the way they are, if caitlyn jenner came to trump tower, she could use any bathroom she wanted and he walked it back and said let states deal with it. is this where conservatives stand on this? >> well, i think it is -- i solved the issue, #stalls for
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all. i think it is a problem because when you push those wedge issues, you lose in a national election. i believe this was organic from north carolina. without an eye toward winning the white house. but this could harm republicans nationally. i think it came up on a local level, and on a national basis the gop should want nothing to do with it. >> i thought nationally, remember they made a concerted effort, gop said we're not going to get bogged down in the social issues. now getting bogged down in the social whyish. >> right, because i think they can't control what goes on at the grassroots level within the party. i decent think any of the presidential candidates would be rise to run on something like this. >> all right, mr. pennsylvania, mr. philadelphia, mr. pennsylvania, take us -- and the northeast, let's talk about the contests coming up we got something crazy going on in pennsylvania. 54 of the 71 delegates who will be selected on tuesday, they owe nothing to their constituency. they can go to cleveland and vote however they would like.
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so they will be the largest untethered group of delegates in cleveland. a big prize for donald trump or somebody else. >> is there anything that cruz and kasich can do right now to slow trump's role? these five contests favor donald trump. >> right. >> yeah. they absolutely favor donald trump. >> can they do anything? >> i frankly think that kasich can do more to thwart trump because he'll run better in the mid-atlantic states and then we'll look to indiana and then finally look to california. my view is donald trump is going to get close. but what happens if he ends up at 1150 or near 1200 but not 1237. >> the only thing that has taken politics out of the headlines has been the death of prince. sort of frozen politics right now in this country. hasn't it? >> i was thinking maybe it is because we wanted a break from this. i recognize just what an artist he was, how rare he was, i also
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think there is something to the psyche of people who just are like, wow, man, we had it for 24, 48 hours with the politics. let's talk and mourn appropriately about prince. >> yeah. i like the purple tie. >> thank you, sir. >> purple rain. >> you're a fan. >> you're looking at me skeptical, like this suburbanite can't be a prince guy. i'm into prince, thank you. >> prince spanned all demographics. >> can't we just all get along? >> don't miss smerconish tomorrow, 9:00 a.m. and then 6:00 p.m. eastern. thank you, michael. up next, donald trump's adviser says he's evolving. is that what his voters want to hear? whenever i try to grow out my hair, strands always break off. but pantene is making my hair practically unbreakable. the new pro-v formula makes every inch stronger. so i can love my hair longer. strong is beautiful. pantene. and ca"super food?" is that recommend sya real thing?cedar? it's a great school, but is it the right one for her?
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guru tells gop insiders that the
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candidate is evolving. ted cruz called that lying. i want to talk about this now with ron narin and bob beckel and kayley mcnerney. >> that's what's important from our standpoint, for you to understand that the part he's playing is the part that is evolving. >> evolving? >> look, donald trump said time and time again, i'll be presidential, just not the time, so he himself has admitted he's going to change, he'll take on a different tone. the fact it was echoed by paul manafort, i don't see why this is controversial. he's changing, not his policies or his principles, but changing his personality, that's very different than changing his
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positions which he is not going to do. >> bob, what is your take on it? do you see why this is controversial? >> i've known paul manafort for a long time. he can say all he wants. is he going to say, trump believes half the stuff he says? he has to try to get him to calm down. trump came out today, right after that -- the manafort manifesto and just -- in central pennsylvania, a scary speech. he's doing his job. this has been set for months. roger stone never left donald trump, went out to do dirty tricks and paul manafort was the guy that backed him up. >> ron, listen to ted cruz's response. >> in the past 48 hours, donald trump's lobbyists have taken over his campaign and gone down and told republican party bosses that everything donald said on the campaign is just a show, he doesn't believe any of it.
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>> ron, do you think, you know, donald trump has said a lot of things, do you think this is going to damage him? >> well, you know, tomorrow morning on saturday morning, those infomercials are going to be showing a lot more credible products to the american people than donald trump on his best day. the fake, phony con job that is the donald trump campaign is exposed to the world when his campaign manager lobbyist, you know, admits in an open meeting that everything that donald trump has been doing has been an act. this is the same -- this is the reason why donald trump won't authorize the new york times to release the secret tape of -- that was made of his editorial board meeting because it has been reported he told the new york times editorial board what his real position is. this guy is so fake, you know, comes out and says, oh, yeah, i'm running against the special interests. and, you know, the lobbyists and so on. what does he do? at this point, he hires a whole bunch of them and they're running his campaign. give me a break. this guy is just -- come on.
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>> i listen to mr. nearing but the ironic part is that donald trump has not switched on to anything, but ted cruz has gone out and openly encouraged the states to rebel against the supreme court same sex marriage ruling, he's done that on the campaign trail. and yet at a manhattan fund-raiser, he says it is the law of the land, he won't fight it. it is not my candidate that switched on anything. it is your candidate that said one thing at the fund-raiser and another thing at the campaign trail. >> the person who donald trump is arguing with the most is himself. i've never seen a candidate have four different positions on abortion in the same day. >> he didn't. >> two different positions on the -- yes, he did. or multiple positions on nato -- >> i would love to hear you name the four. >> the man knows -- the man knows very little about how the world works and he believes even less which is why his campaign manager can say with a straight face that everything that he's been doing so far has just been an act. and, you know, and that he
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claims he won't blow it now. now we're seeing the real donald trump. >> bob beckel, you say no matter how hard he tries, that manafort can't change trump. >> no. >> will he listen to any advisers? >> this has gone on for years. i did mondale, gary hart got caught at a dinner fund-raiser saying my wife gets to do california, i got to go back to new jersey. they're voting on the same day. i read that as an ad, we won new jersey big. it happens. ted cruz has been doing a lot of this too. we all do it. we all try to fix our candidates in fund-raisers with political officials to try to make them feel more comfortable. the fact of the matter is donald trump is set -- he's not going to change. >> donald trump is the first politician in modern history that doesn't have focus groups, that didn't test the words coming out of his mouth, doesn't have pollsters or speechwriters. >> you don't think he's saying that donald trump doesn't believe what he's saying? that's what it lends to, he's
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saying it, but he's going to change. >> the context of the speech, he goes on to say, look, he acts one way in a business context, acts another way out on the campaign trail. i think that makes a ton of sense. when you're in a professional setting -- >> his whole thing is authenticity. >> absolutely. you can be authentic and act one way and act another way among friends and family. you can adopt two different tones, two different personalities and still be authentic when your principles are not changing. had cruz's principles change, donald trump's do not. >> donald trump on the one hand says that he doesn't want to raise taxes and just in one setting yesterday said that he would raise taxes on, quote, the rich, of course, the government then gets to decide who the rich is, so hold on to your wallet, he also endorsed a pathway for citizenship for those people who violated the law by coming to the country illegally and also changing the republican party's position on abortion. he did that in one interview. this is pretty amazing. >> here is the thing, you're -- >> hold on a second, when you
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turn your whole campaign over to a group of professional washington registered lobbyists, it is -- this is how the establishment works. they filter themselves into a candidate, donald trump embraces him because he has no idea how to run a campaign going forward, and this is what happens. >> ron, stand by. stand by. i've got to get to a break. we'll respond on the other side and talk about the primaries on tuesday. (vo) whatever your perfect temperature... you'll enjoy consistent comfort with the heating and air conditioning systems homeowners rank number one. american standard heating and air conditioning. a higher standard of comfort.
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in a race for the white house, next tuesday, it is another big primary day. five states in the northeast hold elections and the outcomes could be pivotal for the
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democratic and the republican rac race. you wanted to respond, kayleigh. >> you say donald trump changed his message on taxes, abortion, and with regard to pass to citizenship, he did not advocate for that yesterday. he said everyone had to leave and certain people could come back. with regard to raising taxes on the rich, he's always spoken about closing the carried interest loophole tax which would tax hedge fund managers. he has not changed his position. this is something ted cruz does, mischaracterize donald trump and it is not fair because facts matter and you can say he changed all you want but the facts are not there to support that. >> he's said things that are difficult to get out of. paul manafort's job is to get this guy to move to the center. you're not going to do that. i had candidates digging themselves a whole, i say give me a shovel. he takes the shovel and throws the dirt on the guys. >> he has moved to the center.
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that's the thing. he's the most centrist candidate in this race with regard to trade, with regard to noninterventinoninte noninterventionism in foreign policy. he's more centrist than any candidate in the race. >> let's talk simple math. races in connecticut, delaware, maryland, pennsylvania and rhode island. how is ted cruz going to win the northeast and the mid-atlantic? >> the goal of this campaign is to win this nomination ultimately. and in terms of this coming -- these upcoming states, we won't raise the current in terms of how many delegates we're going to win from each state. we already launched a campaign in maryland. we have been campaigning in pennsylvania. opportunities there. you in the previous segment discussed how the delegates, most in pennsylvania are unbound completely. we come out of the 26 and move on to the five states in may. this is the top of the sixth inning. this isn't the end of the game.
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some try to call this race over when it is not. donald trump is not going to get to the delegates he needs to win this thing. this is going to go to multiple ballots in cleveland and at end of the day, ted cruz will be the nominee because at the end of the day, ted cruz is a champion for those issues that bring those delegates, those grassroots volunteers, those people donald trump is always insulting calling the party bosses, he's the champion -- >> one thing about this, the republicans said they wanted to change their system and have the back end of the system, winner take all. there is none of these states are winner take all. they're closer to proportional than they are. if you win the state, you maybe get some percentage of the delegates at large. in pennsylvania, you get nobody. it was ronald reagan who went to pick dick schweicher when he beat gerald ford. didn't work. you go all through these. rhode island, all these byzantine delegate selection process, they're not winner take all.
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you can pick up a few, but this is not ted cruz territory. not at all. >> trump has to get to the 1237. is he planning on a clean sweep on tuesday in the races to help him get there? >> i think he needs to get over 100 for sure. there are 172 at stake. he needs to probably get 100 and do exceedingly well in indiana. i think he can do that. look at the polls, he's leading in most of the states next tuesday by almost 20 point margins. that's huge. >> we said we asked so many times, but after he wins new york, this sort of puts him on the path to possibly getting to 1237. >> i can put it together. it is interesting, all of the talk was about bernie sanders and cruz having this momentum go nag new yor into new york. now the states do not look good for either of the two major party second place runners. and i think for trump's standpoint, it does come down to indiana. if he can pull off indiana and get a margin in indiana, i think
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he could probably do it. the other thing is, if he goes into this convention in cleveland, he's got 1200 delegates or 1150, who is going to say no? the problem, cruz's guys, you say say no to trump, say hi to me. it is not going to be. >> thank you, guys. have a great weekend. >> thank you. if you think the kkk is a thing of the past, think again. an inside look at the modern day kkk. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. even a stag pool party. (party music) (splashing/destruction) (splashing/destruction) (burke) and we covered it, october twenty-seventh, 2014. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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i can't wait for this. cnn premieres a brand-new original series this sunday night called "united shades of america," hosted by w. kamal bell, a sharp observer of american life who says i'll tell jokes, but i'm not kidding. and he joins me now. i hate to ask you in this way, but what do you think of this political season? so many extremes. what is going on? you to think it do you think it is a joke? >> i have two kids so i can't completely think it is a joke. i think when you think it can't get any crazier, i think it does get crazier. the left and my friends who are bernie sanders supporters should take trump a little more seriously. i think people waited too long. >> i had a lot of fights with
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progressives this fall saying you're underestimating your opponent, never, don, never, never. >> in berkeley they were treating him like the candy man. i won't say his name and he won't appear. >> your schohow premieres sunda. you met with a kkk member. >> i met with lots of kkk members. >> let's listen. >> imperial wizard of the international keystone knights of the ku klux klan. you're the president. first of all, thanks for meeting with me. >> okay. >> my first question, klan historically as you know has been a group associated with violence. >> i'm not so sure. >> i'm saying historically. >> we have to look at the klan in the 21st century. >> don't you think by wearing the same robes it hard to separate the two different klans. >> i have an opportunity to wear a klansman robe.
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why? because i'm white and i believe in the ideas and rituals of the ku klux klan. i was raised this way. >> all right. >> there is no ifs, ands or buts about it. >> in 2016. >> yeah. yeah. >> i'm not surprised either. i grew up in louisiana. >> black people are not surprised. the response is, are you crazy? the white people's response is, i didn't know there was still a ku klux klan. we have evidence we can point to the show. >> you're big, bad, bold. if you're so proud, why not show your face? >> it is funny that the white pride comes at the expense of i don't want anybody to know. i got a job. i can't let people at the office know. i got an e-mail from one that said, please don't show my face because i don't want my son to have a problem getting a job. >> there was this poll done by kaiser and others that people feel racism is worse now since the president took office. where do you think that comes from? do you believe it is true and where does it come from?
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>> i think we know more about racism now because of social media and cell phones. as many people said, the best recruiting tool for the klan is a black president. they feel more emboldened and a guy running for president on the right who seems to dog whistle them all the time is running, he won't get the colored people, donald trump, he's going after those people. >> you think so? >> i think he's -- anytime you use the rhetoric he uses around immigration, around arabs and muslims, that's their -- you're doing klan platforms right there. that's klan positions. >> can we talk about what -- the other thing going on in the news, that is prince. >> absolutely. >> you're a huge fan. how did he influence you? >> i'm a huge fan. prince is one of the things when i got -- me and my now wife, my then girlfriend started dating, she had never seen purple rain, i was, like, we have to sit down and watch this movie and if we want to date, you have to pretend you like it. we have to have a common language of purple rain in our
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household. >> he was inspirational to all people, all types of people. for african-americans there was this certain thing about him. i think that he sort of -- he helped expand our minds about what a man should be, what a man looks like, person of color looks like, all those things. >> the controversy, am i black or white, am i straight or gay, do i believe in got d or do i believe in me? i think as much as he's open to everybody for black people we really do feel like he's one of those avatars of alternative blackness. a lost ti prince was never part of the herd mentality. >> i said that yesterday about am i black or white. people said, you don't know you're black? yes. that's exactly what he's saying, all black people aren't monolithic and don't have to act alike -- >> i don't have to act the way a straight guy acts, don't have to
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before we leave you, a moment that no one who was in the room will ever forget when prince was inducted into the rock & roll hall of fame in 2004. he said the thing that mattered most to him in his career was freedom. >> when i first started out in this music industry, i was most concerned with freedom. freedom to produce. freedom to play all the instruments on my records. freedom to say anything i wanted to. and after much negotiation, warner bros. records granted me that freedom and i thank them for that. without any real spiritual mentors other than artists, whose records i admires, larry graham being one of them, i embarked on a journey more fascinating than i could have ever imagined. but award to the wise.
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without real spiritual mentoring, too much freedom can lead to the soul's decay. and a word to the young artists, a real friend or mentor is not on your payroll. a real friend and mentor -- a real friend and mentor cares for your soul as much as they do their own. this world and its wicked system will become harder and harder to deal with without a real friend and a mentor. i wish all of you the best on this fascinating journey. it ain't over. peace. >> you can see more from the rock & roll hall of fame live on itunes. then prince took the stage with a super group including tom petty, jeff len and steve winwood, all paying tribute to george harrison with the song "while my guitar gently weeps".
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