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towto you cower in trumper tower. i invite donald trump to do a town hall before real hoosiers, let's have a debate. a one-on-one debate in front of the people of indiana, a town hall, and answer the questions. donald is fond of telling everyone what a strong, tough man he is. well, he could demonstrate his strength by not hiding in trump tower. by coming to indiana and actually defending his positions. the reason he's been afraid to do so so far is he has no answer when he's asked how do you bring jobs back to america. he has no answer when he's asked how do you keep america safe from radical islamic terrorism? this is a serious time. and the american people want and deserve a serious leader focused on jobs, freedom, and security. that's exactly what i will be and what i will do as president.
>> how do you justify that, senator, when you look at this, donald trump has hit you already on this both on twitter and elsewhere. >> if you do win indiana what is to stop you from doing a bait and switch and competing in new mexico. >> we are all in on indiana. we are competing in this great state. indiana is a crossroads. it is a crossroads for the entire country. it is big news today that john kasich has decided to pull out of indiana, to give us a head-to-head contest with donald trump. that is good for the men and women of indiana. it's good for the country to have a clear and direct choice. after discussions with the kasich campaign, we made a decision about allocating resources. we decided to allocate our time and energy and resources on the state of indiana. governor kasich decided to allocate his resources elsewhere. i think that made sense from both campaigns. >> what would you say -- >> the divide and conquer strategy, even if you're not a trump supporter, nonetheless,
kind of subverts the will of the people. >> this is entirely about the will of the people. this is about winning the votes of the hoosier state, giving indiana the opportunity to choose, and we're at a fork in the road. we're at a fundamental fork in the road. if donald trump is the nominee, hillary clinton wins. hillary beats donald trump by double digits, and if hillary wins and wins in a landslide, that not only cost us the presidency, we lose the senate. we may lose the house. we lose the supreme court for a generation. we lose the bill of rights becomes put into real jeopardy, and i'll tell you here in the state of indiana, donald trump at the top of the ticket losing in a landslide would cost republicans seats all throughout the state of indiana. we're not going to let that happen. the stakes are too high to allow our kids and grand kids to be buried in trillions more of debt, to continue down another four or eight more years of the failed obama/clinton economy,
the stagnation that we've been facing. if donald trump is the nominee, hillary clinton wins, and indiana's coal industry will be bankrupted. tens of thousands of jobs will be lost in the state of indiana if donald trump is the nominee because it guaranteed hillary clinton is win. if i'm the nominee, we beat hillary clinton. we beat hillary clinton in key swing states. we beat hillary clinton among independents. we beat hillary clinton with young people. >> did you -- [ inaudible ]. >> we had conversations, and both campaigns agreed to focus our energies. we're focusing our energy on the state of indiana and governor kasich is focusing his energies elsewhere. i think that is a decision, an allocation of resources, that makes a lot of sense and it's devoted to the principle of beating hillary clinton in november and turning this country around. >> some are seeing this as a sign of desperation from both of those camps, that they have beat
donald trump together and you can imagine donald trump is going to use that today as he talks about what's being done. >> listen, i don't doubt that donald trump is going to scream and yell and curse and insult and probably cry and whine some as well. that has been donald's pattern. now, i recognize everyone got all excited because last week donald won his home state, which i am amazed that's news anywhere. of course donald won his home state. i can tell you in the five elections that preceded new york over the course of three weeks, we won landslide elections in all five starting with utah, then north dakota, then wisconsin, then colorado, then wyoming. we won five landslides in a row beating donald trump five times in a row and 1.3 million people voted in those five states. it was a massive turnout. we won landslides and, indeed, i earned more votes in the state of wisconsin than donald trump did in new york. so, yes, i agree, there is desperation on the trump side,
and the reason donald trump is desperate is because it is now abundantly clear nobody is getting to 1,237. >> is it a hail mary? >> it is abundantly clear that nobody is getting to 1,237. we are headed to a contested convention, and at a contested convention, donald trump is in real trouble. why? because he cannot earn the support of a majority of the delegates elected by the people. donald has had consistently a hard ceiling of about 40% that he can't break. donald has been a minority candidate, a fringe candidate. now, he's benefited early in the race by having a multitude of opponents where the opposition to donald was diffuse. but what we have seen happening over the last month is the republican party uniting behind sour campaign. indeed, of the 17 candidates who started this race, 5 have now endorsed our campaign. rick perry, lindsey graham, jeb bush, scott walker, and carly fiorina. we are seeing the full spectrum
of the republican party uniting, and let me say something about the hoosier state. there is a common sense sensibility about this great state. you've had leaders like governor mitch daniels, like governor mike pence who roll up their sleeves and solve problems, who understand that when you cut taxes and lift regulations, the result is small businesses grow and jobs expand. we need a president in the spirit of mitch daniels and mike pence. that is exactly what this campaign is based on. my number one priority as president is jobs and economic growth. if i'm elected president, we'll repeal every word of obamacare. we will pass a simple flat tax and abolish the irs. we will rein in the epa and federal regulators, especially the epa that is killing the sole industry, killing tens of thousands of job in the state of indiana and he will stop amnesty and end sanctuary cities and the
effect of all that is we will see millions and millions of new high-paying jobs coming back to america. we will see wages rising again, manufacturing jobs coming back to indiana, coming back from china, coming back from mexico, and we're going to see young people coming out of school having two, three, four, five job opportunities again. that's what this election is all about. >> last question. >> to voters who have watched you run as an outsider all these months who now see you making this deal with john kasich, how do you justify that as not collusion? >> listen, i have been from day one an outsider, and the proof is in the pudding. >> but now -- >> let me answer your question, please. the proof is in the pudding. the voters can ask who has stood up and led the fight against the washington cartel from day one, and i am the only candidate in this race that has taken on not just democrats but leaders in my own party over and over and over again. when i ran for senate, i promised the people of texas i would lead the fight against
obamacare. that's what i did in the senate, much to the annoyance of the washington cartel, and as president i will repeal every word of obamacare. when i ran for senate in texas, i promised the voters i would lead the fight against amnesty. that's what i did in the senate, leading the fight against the gang of eight amnesty bill. at the same time that donald trump was funding the gang of eight, giving over $50,000 to the proponents of amnesty, i was leading the fight, and we defeated amnesty in congress. as president i will stop amnesty, we'll secure the borders, end sanctuary cities and end welfare benefits for those here illegally. >> how is it not collusion? what do you say to those people though who say it's collusion, senator? i just respectfully go at you with that again. donald trump is saying you are colluding and we expect to hear that from him again and again. >> i understand that donald will whine. that's what he does. donald is a sore loser. when he lost five states in a
row in landslide elections, donald threw a tantrum and his response is to attack the voters. his response is to attack the people. yes, i get that the trump campaign is scared. they're scared of indiana. if donald wasn't scared, he'd show up in indiana and have a debated, but he would much rather hide in trump tower. he had much rather stay in northeastern states that tend to be more liberal, than actually come to the heartland and defend his policies. in the past week donald trump came out and agreed with hillary clinton on raising taxes. in the past week donald trump came out and agreed with hillary clinton that adult grown men should be able to go into little girls' restrooms, and in the past week donald trump's campaign manager, who is a long-time washington lobbyist, and this is important for people to understand, the entire trump campaign is run by washington lobbyists. it is the washington cartel. donald is the system. it is the lobbyists who are
running his campaign. his lobbyist campaign manager went and talked to the top brass of the rnc and said, donald is just putting on an act. this is a role he's playing. he's just on stage. he's just pretending. he doesn't mean what he said. at first the trump camp denied that. that's their standard is to deny everything. unfortunately for them, it was actually caught on tape so we have the tape of donald trump's lobbyist campaign manager saying this is all an act, this is all a fake, auto he he's a phony. interestingly enough, that's almost the expect same thing donald trump told "the new york times" back in january when he sat down with a "new york times" editorial board. trump told them he doesn't believe what he's saying on immigration, he's not going to build a wall, not going to deport anyone. once again "the new york times" has a tape. the trump campaign denies he said that, but it won't let the times release the tape. if he didn't say he's not going to build a wall, he's not going to deport anyone and he's simply faking it on immigration, donald
should release the tape and his supporters should demand he release the tape and prove his innocence. donald won't do that for the same reason he won't show up at a debate, because this is a fraud. that the lobbyists in washington are attempting to perpetuate on the american people. this is a fraud. the stakes are too high for us to get fooled again, and we're all used to politicians who betray us after they get elected. donald is betraying us before he gets elected, and he's telling us he's lying to us. and so we are fighting to beat donald trump for the nomination. we are going to beat donald trump for the nomination. no one is getting to 1237. we're headed to a contested convention, and at that convention the nominee will be decided by whoever can earn the support of a majority of the delegates elected by the people, and i believe the only candidate who will be able to do that is me, and when we earn the support of a majority of the delegates, we're going to go forward and
beat hillary clinton in november. donald cannot beat hillary clinton in november. nominating donald would be a disaster for republicans, for conservatives, and for the country, and, yes, i understand that the trump campaign is -- >> listening right there to ted cruz in borden, indiana, explaining this extraordinary alliance that was announced overnight between the ted cruz and john kasich campaigns. basically it's like our favorite movie "ghost busters." dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria, their empt to stop donald trump. >> you could say he was defending. he was facing very tough questions there from the press corps in indiana, the traveling press but also the little indiana press, and it is the people of indiana who will ultimately have to decide just how good of a deal this is, not for the candidates, but for them. here to explain exactly what this deal is and the potential impact cnn politics executive
editor mark preston. mark, who gets what here? >> if all works out well for ted cruz, he would take indiana or certainly able to take a bulk of the delegates in indiana. right now 57 delegates on the table, and the way that that works is that whoever wins the statewide vote gets 27 of them immediately, puts them in their pocket. the remaining 27 are divided up on whoever wins each congressional district. this is very concerning right now to ted cruz because donald trump has a big lead over ted cruz with john kasich in the race in indiana. now, john kasich, what does he get in return? by pulling out of indiana, although he just gave a news conference -- >> we'll talk about that in a second. >> we don't know if he's out, he is going to put all his chips in on the states of oregon and new mexico, 52 delegates on the table right there. so they're throwing everything and the kitchen sink at donald trump. >> but what is in the kitchen sink. it seems the waters have been muddied. the plan was revealed overnight.
it seemed clear, ted kasich pulls out of indiana, ted cruz doesn't campaign in new mexico and oregon. john kasich spoke to reporters and it sounded like he said not so much. >> i don't see this as any big deal other than the fact that i'm not going to spend resources in indiana, he's not going to spend them in other places. so what? what's the big deal? i have never told him not to vote for me. they ought to vote for me. but i'm not over there campaigning and spending resources. we have limited resources. you know, you ought to feel good about it. mine is like the people's campaign. >> that's directly to a question of what do you say to your supporters in indiana? he says i never said they shouldn't vote for me. >> they ought to vote for me. >> right. this is what's confusing about it for both cruz and kasich as we just saw ted cruz just moments ago talking about it as well. they're not really selling this message very strongly. after tomorrow night, which holds five contests, there are only ten remaining contests left on the table. four of those contests are winner-take-all. they're very concerned donald trump right now, who has 846
delegates in his pocket at this point only needs 400 more to get there. now, that is about 58% of the remaining delegates to get there. however, if donald trump runs the tables tomorrow night and does very well, that would be quite a boost going into indiana. if he picked up indiana, then donald trump has a very good shot at 1,237. >> obviously the concern -- but john kasich not concerned enough to say vote for cruz in indiana. mark preston, thanks so much for being with us. >> let's talk more about this with rnc's chief strategist and communications director sean spicer. he's joining us. sean, an extraordinary day. a day -- one of the few days i have been able to quote "ghost busters" on television. that's how extraordinary it really is. you have been a student of politics for a very long time. have you ever seen anything like this announced so publicly? >> not in recent memory, no. and as mark preston noted just a minute ago. we're down to 15 remaining
states, 5 going tomorrow. what's really interesting about that in my mind at least is when you look back on the last several cycles, mitt romney was the presumptive nominee on april 24th, four years ago, john mccain in march of 2008. we're actually seeing states and voters that have probably never participated for real in the primary system having a real impact in who our nominee is going to be, and that's a really positive thing when you think about the number of people in states that are participating in this process. >> sean spicer, you just admitted on national tv that you have the never seen anything like this before, not in recent memory. donald trump calls it an act of collusion. he says it's a horrible act of desperation. your reaction to his comments? >> well, as you guys know, this isn't the first time i have said this before, but the rnc's job is to be sort of the fair arbiter of this process to make sure all the candidates have a process by which to play by as we head into cleveland. i'm not going to comment on the strategy that each campaign employs for what's best for
their candidate. that's up to them to decide. >> but what donald trump says is just that, it's not fair. this needs arbitration. this isn't fair. this is collusion. >> no, i think this is two campaigns trying to make a decision for what's in the best interest of their candidate. mr. trump is obviously going to decide where he goes, how he spends his resources and time but that's what each candidate is supposed to do. if donald trump gets to 1237 bound delegates before we head to cleveland, he'll be our presumptive nominee. if not, we'll head to an open convention and the case will be made to the delegates. >> you guys have worked really hard to make this process transparent, to tell people, look, this is fair. are you concerned at all with the impression that this leaves? this feels like a game of monopoly. you get indiana and marvin gardens, i get the railroads and oregon. >> we have been very fair about this. we launched convention
facts.gop. at the end of the day it's up to the voters to decide. they can heed the advice of the candidate they support or they can stick with them, but it's ultimately up to these voters and grassroots activists from around these states whether they're going to heed the advice from the different candidates they support. they may still go out and vote for the candidate they're supporting. they may heed their advice and vote for one of the others. they may not vote for either. but, again, what each of the candidates has to do is make that case to the voters in each of these remaining 15 states and hope that that case is something that the voter will listen to and act on. >> sean, what do you think of when they make this deal, this extraordinary deal, and then you've got john kasich saying today, i never told the voters in indiana not to vote for me. they ought to vote for me. what do you think that message is? >> i don't know. as i said, i'm not going to get in the middle of them -- what the particular strategies of their campaign is. i have enough on my plate to deal with. never mind analyzing particular
strategies or nonstrategies. >> you have more on your plate as of today with this, sean spicer. listen, sean, thank you very much. we'll check in with you over the next few days. a lot of states vote tomorrow and then on to indiana. >> thank you, sean. speechless. success on a monday. all right, remember this, everybody. five states holding primaries tomorrow. working title super tuesday part 75. you can come up with one better than me. cnn will have special coverage starting at 4:00 p.m. eastern but don't worry, we're on at 11:00. it really starts here. trump calls the latest move by cruz and kasich a horrible act of desperation but what is he going to do about it other than some strongly worded tweets? we will ask one of his senior advisers. and new details are also coming out surrounding the death of prince and about the days just before he was rushed to the hospital after his plane made an emergency landing for an unresponsive person on board. that's also ahead. sir, this alien life form is growing at an alarming rate.
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reshaping this entire race. trump calls it desperate and collusion. cruz and kasich might see it more though as survival. >> a pretty big shift in the tone between the two candidates who have taken some serious shots at each other. >> at this point kasich's role is essentially as a spoiler. >> a vote for cruz or trump, frankly, is a vote for hillary clinton. >> as we stand here today, there are two people and only two people that have any plausible path whatsoever to winning the republican nomination. me and donald trump. as i said, plausible path. >> ted, senator ted, the smear artist, you know, they're attacking me. >> john kasich has no path whatsoever to the nomination. >> well, now the spoiler has a deal with the smear artist. the smear artist has a deal with the spoiler. as kate said, dogs and cats living together. let's talk more about it, senior adviser to donald trump's
presidential campaign barry bennett is with us and ted cruz surrogate brent bozel. we have not yet heard from the trump campaign on this deal. your reaction? >> i thought we'd seen it all, but apparently very haven't yet. i'm going with smoiler. that's what i like. >> that does not have such a ring to it though, barry. >> donald trump says this deal, it's a horrible act of desperation. is that how you see it, barry? >> yeah, it is a desperate act. last week they both said, both of them in their own words, said that donald trump had no chance of getting to 1,237. and then obviously they believe he does. because he does. five states vote tomorrow. ted cruz is going to finish last in all five, maybe not one of them, but at least four of the five. and then we go to indiana where we're up -- in fact, i think we're up in every state remaining. so, you know, i think this is a desperate attempt. kasich is running out of money.
that's really the root of all this. he can't afford to keep his offices open in indiana. he's going to go to new mexico and oregon which are proportional states which makes absolutely no sense. bad strategy, bad theater, stupid deal. >> stupid deal, desperate. brent, what say you? >> well, let's start here. the idea that kasich and cruz, who have criticized each other, now coming together is some kind of novelty, look, what did donald trump do to ben carson? he ripped the hide off of him. what did he do to chris christie? he insulted him at every opportunity. christie and carson are now supporting him. that's called politics. but here is the reality, yes, they're joining forces in these three states. it's a smart move to make, and what they're also saying to the republican party and saying to america is donald trump simply cannot win the presidency. he cannot beat hillary clinton. with the 65% disapproval rating
where he's shown his strength is in northeastern states like new york and she's going to take all those states, but they're saying you better look at us because if not, you're going to sit in on the inauguration of hillary clinton next january. >> barry -- brent, you make a fair point about politics. >> it is. >> ben carson is now supporting donald trump and they said nasty things about each other before that. however, you know, couldn't you also say that ted cruz is now effectively saying i can't win indiana without john kasich getting out? i mean, he's been saying that john kasich, you know, was the one thing standing between himself and the presidency. now he says he needs john kasich's machinations to beat donald trump at the convention. >> i think that ted cruz has been saying since this whiteled down to a three-man race that he hoped john kasich would get out because he going one-on-one can beat donald trump. and in the indiana situation, that's exactly what he's saying. >> barry? >> oh, my. >> barry, does this also mean --
you already kind of said that you're ahead, you're ahead, you're ahead, but if they really work together, if kasich voters go to -- supporters go to cruz, you have problems in indiana, man. >> but this is just it. this is something washington doesn't understand about politics. nobody's supporters 100% go to anybody, and to assume -- for instance, california, where we're 27 points ahead, ted cruz is not going to get 100% of john kasich's supporters. that's lunacy. it's just not going to happen. it never happens. they just don't -- this is really pathetic. they both understand they're not going to go to the convention with enough delegates to win and now they're trying everything they can to stop somebody else. it's just crazy. >> brent, is -- >> but, barry, can i ask a question? barry, would you be willing to concede and maybe even crazy enough apologize for once more
donald trump lying through his teeth by saying that this is collusion when the definition of collusion is that it's a secret deal and this could not be more public. would you be willing to concede your guy has lied once again. >> will he release a transcript of what happened? will you release a transcript -- >> just -- >> would you? come on, it's a secret deal. it's not a secret deal, it's public. you guys won't release this transcript, what went on, what were the negotiations, what donors were involved, were there any super pac donors involved in the deal? >> go ahead. >> then so long as the donald trump campaign releases that "new york times" editorial -- >> we don't have it to release. you know that. >> -- where he said to them don't believe anything i'm saying to these conservatives right now. i think both sides would be very, very -- it would be very interesting if both sides agreed to release those transcripts. >> brent, you already apparently know what was said. >> i think we're not getting any transcripts. let's leave the transcripts
discussion there, but brent i want to ask you this. is governor kasich doing this deal the right way now? because we just heard him on tv a few minutes ago. he was asked would he tell his -- >> what would you tell voters in indiana? he said i never said they shouldn't vote for me. they ought to vote for me. >> honestly, i don't know the answer to that. you're going to have to ask him. i honestly can't answer that question. >> but you do think that if this deal was to be as effective as it could be, he should tell potential kasich voters in indiana vote for cruz, right? >> i would assume so, yes. >> always interesting, guys. thank you so much. >> thanks, guys. >> thank you. >> all right. hillary clinton apparently on the hunt for a running mate. a big new report says the process has already begun. see who is on that list. and new details today about the emergency landing of prince's private jet just days before his sudden death. we now know why the pilots forced the plane to the ground, why they needed to land so
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new details this morning about the final days in thely ie of prince. the airport in moline, illinois, confirms a private jet made an emergency landing on april 16th because of an unresponsive male that was on board. >> was it the same day that prince was rushed to a hospital. five days later he was found dead. the cause is still a mystery, and so is the fate of his considerable estate. meantime, his fans around the world are still coming to terms with the shock of his death. stephanie elam is live outside
prince's home, paisley park near minneapolis. so, stephanie, what more are you learning this morning? >> reporter: good morning to you, kate and jovhn. what's interesting about the fact we know his plane came down for the emergency landing in moline, illinois, and we're now hearing the faa side of it. cnn receiving the audio where they say it was an unresponsive male. we know that this was in the early hours of the morning on the 16th and then by 11:00 or so local time there in illinois, the plane took off with that person on board. so the airport not confirming that it was prince, but it does match up with what we know. we know he came back here. he was seen out in public a couple days having a dance party and going to a jazz club. seen on his bike and then thursday morning he was discovered dead and we believe had already passed away in the elevator at paisley park. and while this investigation continues, they've already finished the autopsy, and he has been cremated. his remains were cremated and
are being held in a private location we understand. if you look behind me, you can see people are still coming out here now, john and kate. >> absolutely. look at that. people still coming out today. they were all weekend. you can expect that will continue for some time as these questions linger. stephanie, thank you so very, very much. still ahead, hillary clinton, she's reportedly weighing her vp options. one scenario, an all-female ticket. how far along are the discussions and why does the gop ticket factor into her decisions. we'll tell you who she's considering. and then dividing up states like monopoly properties. is that the only way to beat donald trump? who, by the way, has hotels on his properties loordalready. we'll ask one of john can i ska supporters in congress what he thinks of this deal. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn
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all right. we have breaking news in the world of football. big news about the really most biggest player in the nfl you could say. the second circuit court of appeals here in new york has reinstated the suspension on tom brady. the four-game suspension imposed by commissioner roger goodell for the deflategate allegations that were made a couple of years ago now. initially tom brady was suspended four games. then a district judge, richard berman, came out and said, no, no, no, i'm going to throw out that suspension. tom brady played the entire season, but now the second reinstated the four-game has - suspension. >> paul cowan is here, cnn legal analyst. paul, what does this mean? it's not over yet, that seems sure, but what does it mean? >> it's close to over because
the second circuit is one of the major appeals courts on the federal side, and the only thing higher than that is the u.s. supreme court, and, franksly, i don't know if they're going to get involved in patriots football. i'm not surprised that this decision came down because the courts like to honor the mediation process. it's done privately. it gets these cases out of the court system, and, by the way, brady and the patriots agreed to immediamediation in advance. >> let me read you an excerpt. we do not believe this court made any rulings on what tom brady did, did not do, or knew or did not know. what they did rule on was whether the commissioner had the proper authority to impose a suspension. we hold the commissioner properly examinered his broad discretion under the collective bargaining agreement and as procedural rulings were properly grounded in that agreement and did not deprive brady of fundamental fairness. accordingly we reverse the judgment of the district court and remand with instructions to
confirm the award. >> essentially they're saying you make an agreement you're going to mediate and you're going to allow, you know, a commissioner to make the decision when you take the job on, and he was within his discretion. so i'm not surprised. more often than not this is the way the court goes in a mediation situation, an arbitration situation. >> it's going to be very interesting to hear what roger goodell has to say because this went to the appeals court because the nfl pushed it. >> and it is the nfl draft this week, one of the highest profile moments for commissioner goodell who ends up on stage. >> this doesn't have any impact there at all. >> no impact on the draft except that roger goodell is front and center and has to take a lot of questions from the press. >> was there a penalty to the patriots -- >> yes. the patriots lost their first-round pick this year. that was never going to be reinstated no matter what. they still don't have their first-round pick, now they don't have their franchise quarterback for first four games next year. >> and that's big. and, frankly, i'd be very surprised if the u.s. supreme court is going to get involved. >> this would be it then.
all right. >> elena kagan spent some time in massachusetts. maybe that's a patriots fan. here's hoping. paul cowan, thank you very much. >> unbiased analysis from john berman. thank you so much, paul. back to politics, that's really amazing, but back to politics now. hillary clinton is close but not quite there yet when it comes to the democratic nomination. however, it is not too soon to start looking for potential running mates. >> we're learning that there are many names apparently now on her list. a lot of possibilities and scenarios including perhaps picking a woman which would be the first all-female presidential ticket in history. patrick healy has some fascinating reporting on this story. you broke this wide open over the weekend. why don't you tell us first off what you found. >> sure, john. so they're at an early stage but they're compiling a list of about 15 to 20 names. in conversations with hillary clinton, with bill clinton, with
john podesta, the campaign chairman. they will take that list of about 20 people and they'll ultimately do a vet of probably about five or six people that could start as soon as she clinches the nomination. now, that could come if all goes according to their plan as early as mid-may and then they will start this vetting process which is a really deep dive into the lives of five or six people. hillary clinton's made clear she wants the initial pool of 20 to reflect the diversity of the party, of her supporters. they expect a couple of african-american democrats to be in that pool, a couple of hispanics. also a couple of women. >> how real is the possibility from your conversations and what you're hearing of an all-female ticket? >> kate, it's looking unlikely for a couple reasons. one is the clintons and the clinton campaign feel that the historic nature of this is all
about hillary clinton becoming the first female democratic nominee, they hope, and possibly the first female president. so they don't feel that they need two women on the ticket necessarily, and in a way they want the spotlight on hillary clinton as the history-making figure here. the other thing is just in terms of candidates, you know, who that vp would be, hillary clinton and elizabeth warren don't have great chemistry. elizabeth warren has been a senator for 2 1/2 years. while she's a champion and a hero of the progressive left, hillary clinton sees herself as a progressive candidate. she doesn't feel like she needs elizabeth. there are, you know, a few other senators, but the view is that there are other candidates who could bring more to the ticket. >> there's the unique quality in your story that this person, whoever it may be, will have to have. this person, you report, is going to have to have the ability to deal with bill clinton or at least accept that former president bill clinton would have a unique role in a
hillary clinton white house. >> exactly. and, john, i mean, you remember well what the bush/cheney dynamic was like, but also certainly bill clinton, al gore, and hillary clinton. hillary clinton taking on a lot of the power as first lady that sometimes a vice president would have. so she has that perspective very much firsthand of what the rivalries and the tensions can be like between a powerful spouse and a vice president. hillary clinton has made pretty clear certainly behind the scenes that she wants bill clinton to be taking on discrete kind of missions for her, probably being a real voice in terms of economic policy. so the question becomes, you know, how much is the vice president, whoever she chooses, you know, able to sort of accept that, be, you know, humble and grateful, but also carve out their own sphere. sometimes the argument is that
kind of an elder statesman figure might fit into that because that person is not automatically running for president the minute hillary gets sworn in, running eight years later, but she's more likely to pick someone younger like someone who may be running after her hoped for two terms are over. >> patrick healy, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> fascinating stuff. >> all right. he has called a spoiler. now ted cruz sees him perhaps as a savior, but with only one win under his belt, can john kasich really help ted cruz stop donald trump? can they do it together? we're going to speak with a key john kasich supporter next. h cak from bank of america to buy a new gym bag. before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time and 2% back at the grocery store. even before he got 3% back on gas. kenny used his bankamericard cash rewards credit card to join the wednesday night league.
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indiana. kasich will campaign in oregon and new mexico as an effort to derail donald trump's path to the nomination. here is how the two rivals turn sort of allies explain it just a short time ago. >> discussions with the kasich campaign, we made a decision about allocating resources. we allocate time, energy, and resources on the state of indiana and allocate resources elsewhere. >> i feel that it's very fair for me to be able to go to areas where i can spend my resources most effectively. and the same is true for senator cruz. what's the big deal? >> what's the big deal? let's discuss. joining us now is pennsylvania congressman charlie dent. a supporter of john kasich for president. congressman, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you for having me. appreciate it. this deal is that what is his
message to indiana voters? said i never told them to vote for me. they ought to vote for me. is that the message to indiana voters after a deal like this, congressman? >> well, look, the two campaigns obviously reached an agreement. john kasich is going to stay out of ted cruz's way in indiana and ted cruz will stay out of john kasich's way in oregon and new mexico. it's that simple. it's an agreement. donald trump is outraged. but the two campaigns said they committed an act of politics, plain and simple. no big deal here. and donald trump ought to stop his whining. here's a man who wrote "the art of the deal" and he's shocked at the agreement between these two campaigns. there's going to be an open convention and he's afraid because he realizes he may not get the 1,237 number walking out of that convention. if he does not have that number walking in. >> congressman, do you want ted cruz to win i want john kasich
indiana. i believe firmly that john kasich is the only electable candidate in the republican field. the only one who can beat hillary clinton. ted cruz recently several weeks ago called on john kasich to drop out of the race. had john kasich dropped out of the race as ted cruz wanted, had he done that, donald trump would have sealed this nomination some time ago. that's a fact. and now at least it's good to know ted cruz has acknowledged that fact that he needs john kasich in this race to snake sure to an open convention. >> how does this act of politics work? how does this work out for either of these candidates? the one you support. especially if if they make a deal but then he's still saying vote for me. how does that work? >> i thought the agreement was
simply this. that john kasich was going to two states, new mexico and oregon and ted cruz spending his resources in indiana and stay out of each other's way. i wasn't part of the agreement but i don't think it's telling their voters to vote for one candidate or the other. i think they simply agreed to extend their resources in different directions. >> you think voters in indiana should vote for john kasich. >> i didn't hear you, i'm sorry? >> you still think voters in indiana should vote for john kasich. >> yes, i do. i think they should. if people are going to vote for the candidate they believe in, and a lot of people in indiana who greatly admire governor kasich in the state right next door and they're going to vote for john kasich. i would encourage people to. we're going to have a big primary in pennsylvania tomorrow. you know, right now, it's donald trump's up a little bit over john kasich. 36, 26, 24. we have a big race in pennsylvania and big resources to get our vote out to help governor kasich prevail here in
pennsylvania. >> congressman charlie dent. thank you so much. hopefully we'll talk later. thanks, sir. >> thank you. >> thank you. right now, let's turn to big announcement coming from president obama. the u.s. is increasing its support of the fight against isis. this morning, president obama announced he's sending 250 special forces to syria. they're joining 50 special forces already in the region. >> the president said these troops have been crucial in pushing isis out of key territory but it's clear that syrian forces or anti-syrian regime forces that are the battle. >> not going to be leading the fight on the ground. they will be essential in providing the training and assisting local forces that continue to drive isil back. >> joining us now to discuss this and plus a really big cnn special, fareed zakaria. what is the nature of this
deployment and how much more involved does this make the united states in syria and is 250 enough to do anything. >> probably not. i think that the fundamental problem in syria is we do not have a local force that has military power and political legitimacy that we can back. in other words, we can roll back isis, these special ops couldn't do it but let's say we put in 20,000 ground troops. we roll them back and then what? who takes over the land? who runs it? what is the army that controls it? what is the political group that controls it? we don't have an answer to that and the absence of that, these are small incremental measures. my sense is that these special ops are working well so they're doubling down on a strategy that's working well but still, these are tactical victories. the strategic victory comes when you find local syrians that can politically and militarily replace isis.
>> it airs this evening and the question is, why do they hate us? why they hate us is the title of the piece. what have you found? and why does answering this question matter so much? >> if you look at isis, even if we roll them back, the most significant strength that isis has from the point of view of the united states to the west is that they are able to recruit people. they're able to recruit people to come to them. they get trained or they don't get trained and they go back or they inspire thepeople like then bernardino killings. why? what is the strength of their idea? or their ideology. in a sense, i'm trying to answer donald trump's question. donald trump said to anderson a couple of months ago. i think islam hates us. and anderson said, is it all of islam or radical islam? he said, well, you should try to figure that out. if you can, you'll win a p
pulitzer. >> you talked to a lot of people and really interesting people in this. >> what surprised me most was the degree to which the people who have spent a lot of time with jihadis, you know, people who have gone through the interrogations, who tried to understand who these people were, didn't think religion was at the heart of it. they thought these were young impressionable alienated men who had, you know, kind of gotten radicalized before they had become islamized, if you know what i mean. they were people looking for some ideology of protest and that that's what they got. phil munn oversaw the fbi interrogation program and said, you know, it reminded him of the irish kids he remembers from his youth. there's a gang mentality, a group mentality. religion is very important and we devote a segment to the quran and how it's used and misused but he was struck by the fact
you have to understand the appeal of the gang. the appeal of the spectacular venture that was being offered to these young people. >> thank you so much. sounds fascinating. be sure to watch why they hate us at 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. >> thank you so much for joining us at this hour. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts now. >> hi, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield and welcome to "legal view." five days before, the republican front-runner has two more words for his nearest rival. donald trump is tweeting that ted cruz whom he long ago branded lying ted is also weak and desperate. all because he's teaming up with john kasich to try to stop donald trump from winning 1,237 delegates. before that all importa