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donald trump's rivals try to hail mary a hail mary straight out of the reality show. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. will voters buy it. and on the democrat side dshgs a celebrity sander supporter go to far if blasting hillary clin. and beyonce's "lemonade," is it the story of a love try ang snl who is becky with the good hair? and did she rewrite the rules all over again? we have the story behind the visual album everyone is talking about. >> let's begin with turmoil on the eve of super tuesday. joining us is the host of wphg morning show in philadelphia.
he's a ted cruz supporter by the way. and also a talk show host for wpro in providence, rhode island. he supports donald trump. good evening, gentlemen. thank you for coming on. >> good to be with you. >> i want to discuss tomorrow's primarie primaries. you support trump. you warmed up the crowd there today. and of course you have your live radio show three hours a day. what are listeners saying about all this? >> you know, the thing being don, is rhode island, you know the new england basically normally tends to be a blue state. but things are so difficult in rhode island. and the rhode island primary is open. so tomorrow when people go to the polls, you're going to be asked to be an independent voter. do you want a republican or democrat ballot. and who trump is attracting are the blue collar union democrats, the blue collar democrats. the reagan democrats. people are so frustrated in rhode island.
high unemployment, heavy illegal immigration. donald trump's message, don, has completely cut through the state is a wreck. there's going to be record turnout tomorrow. the enthusiasm today was just tremendous. you're going to see a huge turnout. and trump is going to win rhode island. i think over 65% tomorrow. >> when i introduce you, if i didn't say you were a trump supporter, people would know. what are your listeners saying? >> i don't think there will be. i agree with john. it will be a route or real close to one for donald trump tomorrow. but i will say this at least in pennsylvania, i don't -- john can speak to rhode island, the thing i encourage everyone to consider in pennsylvania, as you know, it's all about the delegates. and there are 54 delegates in pennsylvania that will go to the convention uncommitted.
now many of them have since declared. and one miff colleagues on our radio station has gone to the trouble of finding what these delegates and how they'll go to the convention. that matters a lot. so trump may win big and probably will win big tomorrow in pennsylvania. but that doesn't mean 54 delegates vote for him. so that is something that cruz, kasich and trump people should keep in mind. >> this is going to be a more interesting one that you have so many unbound delegates there. john, listen, rhode island is only the only open primary state tomorrow where independents and democrats can vote republican. you think democrats are going to defect to trump? >> i do, don. and the interesting dynamic here is hillary clinton had a failed rally on saturday. there is no enthusiasm at all. they had all the top leaders. the governor here who is very unpopular. they tried to get everyone excited. there is no excitement at all. bill clinton was in the state today. former clinton, no excitement. bernie sanders, don, had a rally yesterday over 8,000 people
attended. so here's what's going to happen in rhode island tomorrow. the liberal progressives, they will vote for bernie sanders. but many of the people who were democrats that normally would have gone for hillary, they're not with hillary. they're going to go with trump. you'll see high turnout republican party. big trump win. low turnout democrat party. i'm predicting a bernie sanders victory. >> wow. interesting. so do you think that there's going to be a contested convention on the republican side? >> i was there with mr. trump, the excitement, he has people pumped. this is like trying to stop a tidal wave. there is no way, first of all, he's going to reach the number he has to get to. but every time he's going, you know, the enthusiasm is building. more people are coming onboard. he is going to be the nominee. the republicans need to rally around him. and even this latest of
cruz-kasich teaming up and that's falling apart. donald trump, nothing is going to stop this train. if he can win rhode island, which he's going to, he won the massachusetts primary. this is going to be a blowout in the general election. >> chris, do you agree with that? that nothing can stop this train that he says? >> look, he and like everyone has to get to 1237. i do not. under any circumstances support the idea of airdropping someone at the convention. i mean, it's down to trump and cruz. we all know that. it's a delegate game. it's a mathematic's game. i don't think anything sinister or unfair. the only thing that bothered me about the trump campaign is the suggestion that there is something insidious or unfair going on. it's just the way this works. you have to get 1237 delegates. if you don't, it's a new ball game. nothing would please me more to have this thing locked brup we get to cleveland.
it doesn't look that way right now. >> he is also talking about -- he is saying the kasich and cruz working together, too, is collusion as well. listen to this. >> you know, if you do that in business, if you collude in the stock market, they put you in jail. but in politics because it's a corrupt enterprise, in politics, you're allowed to collude. so it shows how weak they are. it shows how pathetic they are. >> yeah. so give me the final thought here. i'll give you the last word, chris. is donald trump right or wrong? >> well, you have to consider that there are a sizable number of voters in these primaries across the country that have not chosen donald trump f donald trump is the nominee, he's going have to do better than just calling everybody that supports cruz and kasich part of a big lie or scheme.
it's just not the case. if trump is the nominee, i'll support him. it's on the up and up. it's fair and square. it's the way it was done ever since there were party rules. this is a state by state issue. that's all. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you, don lemon. >> good to be with you. >> thank you. >> now i want to bring in congresswoman marcia blackburn. thank you so much for joining us. good to be with you as well. thanks for coming in. what do you make of this alliance between cruz and kasich? it's a bit unusual, no? >> well, i think what they're trying to do is find a way to make certain that this goes to the convention. but quite frankly, i think trump should be saying, hey, my opponents are admitting that i'm in the lead here and it's going to be tough to stop me. the good thing that is coming out of all of this is people are engaged. they're watching. they don't like the feedback i've heard from constituents as they really don't like this alliance.
because they think everybody get out there, play your best game. let's see who has the most votes. let's get this overwith before we get to the convention. let's get a nominee and move forward. >> trump says it's desperate. but i mean does it play to, you know, sort of this anti-establishment thing, doesn't it? >> yeah this is an outsider year. i said from the get go. this is an outsider year. and this is a year that people in elective office need to be listening to what the voters are saying. and the voters have said we don't like what is happening in washington. we don't like the special interests and the money in politics and the system as it is. so we want somebody new who hae hasn't been a part of this. this is instructive to those of us that are elected to serve. and we need to be listening to our constituents and the voters. >> so we know this outsider thing is working. it's working for donald trump. >> yes. >> and cruz. >> and it's working on the democratic side. >> that's right. with bernie sanders. >> so populous at least. bernie sanders has been in the
senate for a while. here's the thing, do you think it is too little too late that maybe cruz and kasich should -- you remember because the kasich camp asked cruz as the camp -- >> too little too late. they said, no. >> it is too little too late. it looks as if they're grasping at the lost straws. and cruz has run a great campaign. kasich's run a great campaign. we've had wonderful candidates on our side. and i think that somebody, either trump or cruz, will lock this up before we get to the convention. and then we'll focus on the issues. >> you took way my next question. so you said trump or cruz. >> yeah. >> do you think, though, that said, do you think this will be a contested convention? >> i don't. >> you don't? >>, no i don't. i think somebody is going to get this locked brup the convention. and that's what people want to see. they want us to focus on the issues. national security, job and economic security. >> isn't it mathematically impossible for cruz to get there? >> one would think it s but you know what? there are all sorts of alliances
and deals that get worked and we'll see where this takes us. >> that's exactly what donald trump is fighting against. he says it's all rigged and dirty politics and all these alliances. >> trump may end up with the votes. we'll see how tomorrow goes. i call tomorrow the feisty five. not super tuesday. >> tell me why. >> these are states that they're excited. listen to what they're saying about rhode island. you know, you've got record turnouts. you got record numbers of individuals that are changing their voter registration. there is a lot of attention being put on these eastern states. and they generally don't have that. and a presidential primary. and so they're relevant. they're going to have a say. they're going to weigh in on this. so i think tomorrow is a very feisty, a very feisty primary day. >> does it concern you at all about trum fp if trump doesn't nod? what do you think that will do
to the party? >> first of all, i think this is an incredible opportunity for the republican party to build a bigger tent. and they ought to be doing. that go back and think about reagan. and when you read back through 76 and 80 with reagan and what transpired during that four years. and you have a lot of these reagan democrats that are coming back in. they haven't voted since they last voted for reagan. and they are fed up with what is going on in washington and they're saying, okay, i love my country enough to be mad about. this i want you all to get your act together. and they're coming back to vote. i think it's exciting. >> it's been interesting. >> i think it's been incredibly exciting. >> now imagine, wait until the convention comes and then, of course, election day. >> you got it. >> thank you, congresswoman. always a pleasure. >> so good to be with you. seal you soon. >> make sure you stay with cnn all day for all day coverage of the crucial primaries. voters going to the polls in
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we're just hours away from the super tuesday votes. hillary clinton and bernie sanders battling for every last one of them. here to discuss, our cnn political contributor van jones, bob beckle and maria cardona. bob, i'm glad you wore your lemon suspenders. >> i bet you are. >> don lemon. >> looks like you took a highlight torte suspenders. >> all right. >> hillary clinton is clearly trying to turn her sights to the general election and donald trump today she took aim at his lavish lifestyle. listen. >> at some point, if you want to be president of the united states, you got to get familiar with the united states. you have to spend time with americans of all sorts and backgrounds in every part of our country. don't just fly that big jet in and land it and go make a big
speech and insult everybody you can think of. and then go back, get on that big jet and go back to, you know, your country clubhouse in florida or your pent house in new york. >> she's very animated, van jones. i mean, she may be the front-runner shechlt raent really wrapped up this nomination now. why take on donald trump now? >> you can kill two birds with one stone. you fire up that base when you go after donald trump. this guy is negatives are off the charts for every carbon base life form. but for democrats, the new territory is being charted every day in term of just complete disgust and reeventualtion at donald trump. she did fire up her own base, lift her own numbers, and also prepare herself at the general election. i think that is smart strategy. >> but how wise it is for her to split her folk brus nailing down this nomination? bernie sanders had more staying power than you and hillary clinton realize. am i lying? >> no.
absolutely. but, look, i do think it's a good strategy. because if you listen to bernie sanders during this campaign, there has been plenty of time when he has gone after donald trump, too. and it's a good strategy for him as well. i think it helps hillary to focus democrats at the end of the day. that is our biggest challenge. right? what is going on between the democratic party, yes, it's passionate and it's gotten really rowdy and sometimes it's gotten nasty. but it's no comparison to our eye on the prize which is in november, the fight we're going to have to fight against who i presume is going to be the republican nominee, donald trump, it's going to be ugly. we should hold our firepower. >> she was going right after him. you have seen her like that? >> she is terrific. she is kind of in her element. i that i while not taking anything for granted, right, let's make sure to be very clear she is fighting for every vote. tomorrow in these five states that are very important, she is focused on getting all of the votes.
>> twint play another clip. this is from an online attack ad that clinton campaign released this weekend. here it is. >> at the right time, i will be so presidential. you'll sbe so bored. they're bringing drugs. their bringing crime. they're rapists. >> i use the word anchor baby. >> should the woman be punished? >> there should be some form of punishment. >> will you say you don't want david duke's vote? >> i don't know. >> knock the crap out of them woshgs you? punch him in the face. i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and woint lose ai wouldn't lose. >> listen, bob, donald trump has his hands full getting his own nomination. he's in a slugfest on the republican side. how long do you expect him to stay silent about attacks like this.
so, by the way, going back to hillary, the last thing she needs to do now after new york is have a fight with bernie sanders. it's time to start that healing process. it's not unusual for them to turn attention to the republican frontrunners. so it is a logical thing to do. it is a smart thing to do. i agree with what van said. but i'll tell you, trump is just -- i just can't wait. i mean, it's just -- the guy has given us more material than all presidential campaigns put together. can you snaimagine? get mad about it because you're going to see it over and over. we don't even have to make them up. >> wait until you see what he does, though. >> what is he going to do? >> bob? really? have you met donald trump? >> i met donald trump. and i know roger stone. i know what they think they can do. you have a wounded dog like this man, you can't hunt it. >> listen, i know hillary
clinton knows media. but donald trump is a master when it comes to media. let's stick to the democratic side. bernie sanders is being bullied to drop out of race, right? but i want to talk about his supporters, they're complaining that they're under attack, too. i want you to listen to the actor and sanders supporters on the campaign rally. bob, you mentioned healing. the healing needs to begin. listen to this. >> we're literally under attack for not just supporting the other candidate. i'm with luns on this. little dedicated her life to talking about that. and now as a campaign strategy, we are being bullied. >> van? that's not even -- >> that was hot. let me just say, full disclosure, she is a good friend of mine. i think there is a picture of me and her pressed together.
>> but here it comes. >> but listen, that was a fast brushback pitch i think trying to stop some of the things that happened going on. it has gotten very, very tough on sanders supporters. there is a lot of aggressive online stuff. it gone to a different level. she is trying to do a brushback pitch to say we're doing this until california, calm it down. i think when you envoek the name of a monica lewinsky, i think that's going create more problems than you're solving. >> i have to take a break. i know you want to respond. you were shaking your head. >> yeah, i think actually she did her candidate no favors here. i think there say lot of bernie sanders tort supporters and we're seeing this in reporting that are upset about the tone his campaign has taken. and, yes, there is a lot of bullying on both sides. i can show you my twitter feed, don, right now. and the last minute i am sure there is some nasty stuff from bernie sanders supporters. sometime nastier than what i get
from donald trump and the republicans. >> we should compare twitter feeds. may make us all feel better. well, everybody gets it. stick around, everybody. when we come back, bernie sanld rz says he is staying in the race until the end. but what can he accomplish, really? real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there is only one place where real and amazing live. seaworld. real. amazing
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bernie sanders says he doesn't have an easy path to the nomination. what is the end game? back with me now, our guests. he says he's into the race until the end. but at the same time, his campaign is admitting that path is going to be a tough one y he is hanging on? what does he hope to achieve? >> first of all, california, which is, you know, they vote last and biggest, is a massive -- massive places for bernie sanders. i think he wants to hang on long enough to give those people a chance to vote. give him more delegates, more leverage that when he does go to tot convention, he can get some things done. yes, some meeshg wol have to happen at this point. i mean, listen, everybody gets beat up on twitter when you say it. but at this point the reality is unless there say massive collapse of a clinton campaign,
you know, historic proportions, involve both the fbi and the x files, i mean, i can't imagine the scenario in which she now doesn't get this nomination. he's talking about now how do you get to the convention with leverage? >> yeah. >> that was van jones who said that, not don lemon. okay? you know how that is. what do you mean? counting don out. >> so supporters are still leveling nasty attacks against the clinton camp. if the idea is to have a bigger voice in the party, okay, should he dial back the rhetoric? especially considering what van just said? >> first of all, he can't control to his credit of support. this happens to a lot of presidential campaigns. the end game is the platform. he has to look for two or three platform plafrps which will be against the trade agreements and against wall street and may, may be against obama care although i think he'd lose. that i think he'd like to get
plafr plafrpgs out on to the floor to have a battle and fight and then win them. i changed where the democratic party is moving. it was moving too much to the center. here is the bernie sanders platform plafrpgs. even though they don't mean much in the end, it will mean a lot to him and the supporters. i think that is part of the end game. >> i want to ask you this. i don't know if you or marie, either, because you're a clinton supporter, right? but let's -- he still has to be a senator. hillary clinton is not in office anymore. so if he wants to brit party together and then let's say he goes back to the senate and helped to put a republican in the white house, is that -- >> yes. i think that that is something that they have to think b i do think, though, at the end of the day, he doesn't want to do anything that will help put a republican in the white house which is why i really believe he'll change his tone. it doesn't mean he's going to get out. i don't think he should get out. he should go to the very end. hillary clinton did. that i think what he should do.
i agree with bob, you can't control your surrogates. it's tough when you have to apologize for the craze why you stuff that your surrogates are saying. but you can also set the tone. what we have seen also is that some of the rhetoric that bernie sanders is using is being picked up by donald trump. and i don't think that that is something that bernie sanders wants to have under his belt. >> just a little bit of stuff. first of all, donald trump needs to help figuring out when he is going to insult anyone, least of all hillary clinton. trust me, donald trump and bernie sanders only praised hillary clinton for the rest of his life, he'll find mean things to say. that's what he does. and then also, just to be fair, hillary clinton, you know, she has had surrogates that insulted young people and young women. surrogates get new trouble. you have to reign them n they're a mixed blessing. if you the democrats want healing, it takes a envelope he
could, it takes two sides to stick. you got to be even handed about this. bernie has made this party better. he made this country better. he made hillary better. frankly, he's proven you don't have to stay in this tiny fear based box democrats have been in for a long time. >> i agree. i agree completely, van. let me also just say. this because everyone is talking about how difficult it's going to be to achieve party unity. let's remember in 2008, i was there. i lived it. i worked for hillary in 2008. this is the kind of thing that you put your heart and your soul into a campaign. and your candidate loses, your heart and soul are ripped out. you are sad. you are down. it is tough to think about coming back and trying to support the person that beat your candidate. but guess what? it happened in 2008. do you remember the pumas? the party unity to my right. that never really happened. but when hillary clinton left the race, 40% of her supporters were saying they would never vote for barack obama. today, it's only 25 of bernie
sanders supporters who say they would never vote for hillary. >> bob go, ahead. >> i was going to say, they'll come around. because it's for one real reason. all you have to do is say donald trump. i saw the previous guest. i would not be surprised to see an upset by sanders in rhode island tomorrow. and maybe even delaware. >> one thing i think the younger sanders supporters really don't like to hear is this kind of you have to come around anyway. i think for those of us that have been aren't block and remember 2000, necessity rs it. i think the young people feel like we're saying you'll have to accept whatever crappy candidate we give you because the other one is worse and they hate. that i think the better case to be making to the younger voters is to point out how important their generation is to the country. and they can continue their revolution and it's their revolution that will be better if you stop the republicans and keep putting pressure on democrats. i think the way we're talking to
these younger vote serz not working. -- voters is not working. i comes across as, you know, shut up and get in line. >> we know better than you. >> yeah. >> get off my lawn. >> and that language will change. and i also think that bernie sanders will have a lot to do it with. i think he's not going to want to be the one that people point to to say he helped put any republican in the white house. >> there's a lot to offer there. >> i know what you're saying, but isn't there some truth to that? i celebrated a birthday, i have a same birthday with a 70-year-old person and he said don, one thing you can't be taught is wisdom. and so old people have wisdom that maybe young people don't have. and it's not all condescending, van. >> you're about to turn 60. i mean, i can get information from you.
one thing, they came out with a poll about millennials and they're very important. they do need to take over this country. one thing that sticks out is they hate donald trump. i think that gives them more wisdom than anybody can imagine. >> on this panel we agree. >> on behalf of the young voters, as wise as we think that we are, as soon as you try to got your laptop to work or your dvr or anything else, you go get the young people. they know something. thank you. >> thank you, don. >> komg up, the other big story people are talking about, beyonce's "lemonade" is the block bust are a story of a love triangle or much more to it. i say it's the second one.
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betrayal but lemonade is so much more than. that here to discuss is the editor in chief of ebony magazine. so good to you have here. brie peyton. thank you for coming. and coast of cnn's united shades of america. i'm okay that you're here. but, you noi -- no, it's always a pleasure to you have on. so everybody, everybody is buzzing about lemonade. let's start. way tonight start getting your reaction. what did you think? >> oh, my goodness. don, the woman is a artist. this is such a magical expression, sonically, it's nothing like anything we've heard from her. but visually, really, if you would have put the album on mute, you know, i always say album, you still are brought into such an experience. it's etheral. it's warm. and while it's also very
aggressive in spaces, to me, there is an undercurrent that just speaks to my black girl center that, for anyone who is not a black girl right now, i feel sorry for you. we are having an internal moment like you would not believe. >> but that's it. what do you think? >> i think that her album is visually stunning. i think it's indecreedible to see how vulnerable that beyonce makes herself. gri he that we get to see and hear beyonce as we have not seen her before. and it truly is stunning. a masterful work of art. >> kamal? >> i guess the deciding vote, i'm going to go yes. and as a married man, when i watch the thing it made my palm's sweat. if my wife poured my lemonade in the streets, i'd be in serious trouble. >> let's take a look at the clip that everyone is talking b look at this. ♪ we just got to let it be let it be ♪ let it be let it be ♪
♪ this is your final warning you know i didn't lie ♪ >> so everyone is saying that this is -- what was that? >> that's the 60s. >> i got you. i got you. i couldn't see you. all right. so listen. what everyone is saying this is about trouble at home with jay z or whatever. but isn't this more about a broader statement about black women and empowerment and musical genius and using -- i think she's using that to get people interested. >> yeah. i mean, i'm one of those people who -- i'm not so much caught up in the narrative about her marriage. even though she spend a good deal of time talking about this fractured relationship from the personal. i think we have to give beyonce a little more than. that first of all, clearly, she is playing to your curiosity, right? we all want to know. also, when you understand the
complexity of relationship and when you understand how, you know sh a woman and a man or two people in any kind of love relationship exchange that very often someone is victimized. and i think she is kind of -- this is her rally cry to say, you know, this should not happen and cannot happen. and for the beyonce -- >> to all women. >> right. to all women. to all lovers. if you are -- let the beyonce in you be liberated right now. and you know, jay z is the luckiest guy on the planet, if you ask mechlt either way, this -- >> kamal would disagree. >> i mean that in every way. first of all, i refuse to believe he is not somehow complicit with the larger fact of this project. it takes a lot to put together this. >> absolutely. >> and i have no doubt that they are like creative references to one another. >> yeah.
>> what has happened and transpired in their relationship, i'm not even going to speculate on. i do think that he has an opportunity if some of this is true, to save his own life. >> yeah. i think that sort of dumbs it down a little bit. that's just my opinion. i think you're right. that this goes way beyond that. we should be looking at the higher value in this and not just like ooh he is cheating on her? >> this is genius. you can't miss some of what is at play here. i don't think every time she references her -- the ring, it's her ring. >> right. i want to get this in. this is beyonce, features the mothers of trayvon martin, derrick garner and then another mother. people who were killed by police officers or just black men killed. take a look at this. ♪ ♪ i love you more than this child please don't allow it ♪
>> and that's michael brown's mother there as well. i want to look at. this okay. here's what pierce morgan said. he wrote in the daily mail, i have a huge personal sympathy for both women. i felt very uneasy watching these women being used in this way to sell an album. it smacks of shameless exploitation. i prefer the old beyonce, the one that didn't use grieving mothers to ship records and further fill her already massively enriched purse. what do you think of that, brie? >> so i don't think that she's using these women to sell albums and make money. i think she already has enough money and she doesn't really need to do that for this. but i do think it is telling the change in tone from 2008, yeert that obama was inaugurate aend the hopeful anecdotes she said to pierce morgan, swhahe was
hopeful for the future and hopeful for racial sengss a ten and relations to improve. and today now she is reminding us that the issues haven't been fixed and a lot of the promises obama made when he was first inaugurated when running for president have not come true. i think she speaks for many americans who feel the same way that obama has not fulfilled his campaign promise that's he said in 2008. so i think that it's not really an issue of exploiting these people as much as it's highlighting a problem that existed in 2008 and exists still today and has not been fixed. >> i don't remember hearing the word obama on "lemonade." i can listen to it again? i think we were hopeful in 2008 including obama and now we've been smacked in the face with reality. i don't buy this is about obama. i think it's more than about jay z. i think pierce morgan sounds like an old british white guy.
she dances in the video but she also has a perspective. he's taking the agency away saying she's using them. faz the women didn't agree to be in the video. she didn't grab the pictures off instagram. they went there and shot the video. >> bee ons yeas yea beyonce is r in this country. she is relating. simple as that. i just really -- you know, i resent when the pierce morgans of the world even feel that they need to make commentary in moments like. this i think we're just as fine without that kind of analysis. first of all, it threatens to throw something in the mix that wasn't even there. and it smacks of a serious kind of white supremacist patriarchy that says my opinions matter an your art doesn't. i'm not with that.
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guests. i want you guys to take a look at. this beyonce has a reference to malcolm x in the video. >> the most unprotected person in america is a black woman. the most neglected person in america is the black woman. >> he's now in charge of black people. that's what you said. >> i think she's leading the culture. i mean, i think she's a voice for women. i'm happy that women have her as a voice. i think she is the most relevant pop star. she's hit that, like, top level oprah status where it's like tell us what to do next, beyonce. i really think a lot of pop stars go hits, hit song, obscurity, hit song, hit song, veg vegas. he had is going hit song, hit song and relevantly leading the culture. clearly, we'll have her until she's a very old woman. she'll be relevant for a long
time. >> brie, do you agree with that? >> yeah. i agree. i think that in this album we're getting to see beyonce really speak for herself and develop her own voice and get to tell her story and talk about what happened with her marriage but also talk about femininity and what it means to be a feminist and behave like a feminist in the modern era in toy daes times. i think that her work is really important and that she indeed sets the cultural tone for women. >> so you mentioned her marriage. you remember the whole elevator thing, right? >> yes. >> they said that is possibly over cheating. i think this video or movie is bigger than, you know, whether it's cheating. i made that perfectly clear. i think we made that clear as well. but, you know, it does talk about that. if you believe that's part of it, then you believe that's part of it. she also hints at this woman who is known as becky with the good hair. listen. ♪ only want me when i'm not there you better call becky with the good hair ♪
♪ you better call becky with the good hair ♪ >> all right, so they're speculating that possibly, possibly allegedly may have been the fashion designer rachael roy. they had to cancel an appearance in new york. i think they made her instagram page private because of that. and then she tweeted out i respect love, marriages, strength. noting she wouldn't stand for bullying. she thinks he's being bullied by beyonce or is it by beyonce's fans? what is going on here? >> i mean maybe she's eluding to both. i'm not 100% certain. really hate the speculation around -- i just -- you know, you parse apart the lyrics. and we assign scenarios to them. sometimes you're right. sometimes you're not. there is a greater thing at play here. we moved on from that malcolm x drop. >> you want to talk about that malcolm x drop. >> she is a fem inest and a
black feminist. the reason she's leading the culture has more to do with her black identity being front and center and the politics that surround that as a black woman. so i don't think that you can extract that from any analysis of beyonce. becky with the good hair, if you ask me, also has other metaphors. i mean in the sister community, becky also is becky. so -- >> that means a white girl. >> yeah. >> yes. so, you know -- >> as a man married to a becky, i heard that before. >> i hate that rachael has to be the center of anything at this point because whatever has happened between she and that crew needs to stay between them. but, you know, if you make your way to a beyonce lyric, i guess -- >> i just feel sorry for rachael roy. >> listen -- >> that's how big the beyonce beehive s. >> i want to talk about the
united states of america now. we've been talking a lot about race. you premiered over the weekend about 900,000 people watched. this was tweeted out. remember today's racists usually don't wear robes or burn crosses. you say comedy is a way that you were able to connect with the kkk member. how did that help? would you do that again? >> i mean, i think there is more places question go than sending me back to a klan meeting. you know, maybe in season eight or something if you don't mind, cnn. but i think that comedy was able to disarm them not literally but figuratively. i think if you disarm people figuratively, you sometimes disarm them literally. so i think that i showed up. there were guns. i was able to have conversations with them and just let them talk if ways you don't normally see on teechlt some black people i offended about. that but i think that if it had just been a kkk documentary, i don't know that many people would have watched it. >> thank you. great conversation as always. we'll see you soon. that's it for us to night. make sure you stay with cnn for all day coverage of super
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