tv Early Start With John Berman and Christine Romans CNN April 27, 2016 1:00am-2:01am PDT
i just want to thank everybody. this is a far bigger win than we even expected. all five. [ cheers and applause ] >> let's go forward. let's win the nomination, and in july let's return as a unified party. >> huge victories for donald trump and hillary clinton. the presidential front runners front running even more now, getting closer to clinching
their party's nominations and taking a turn toward the general election. good morning, everyone. welcome to this special edition of "early start." i'm john berman. >> and i'm christine romans. it is wednesday, april 27th. it is 4:00 a.m. in the east. a big night for the front runners, donald trump and hillary clinton, but it was a huge night for trump, who swept a victory in all five states voting tuesday and by big margins. in rhode island, almost 64%. in delaware, another wide margin, 60%. in connecticut, 57.7%. in pennsylvania, almost 57%. in maryland, he had a margin of victory 54.4%. >> big, big wins. also a big night for hillary clinton. she won pennsylvania nearly 56% of the vote there. in maryland, hillary clinton hit 63%. in delaware, she won with about 60%. in connecticut, hillary clinton got 51%. that was a little closer.
bernie sanders, he won rhode island. he got 55% of the vote in rhode island. both hillary clinton and donald trump, they held late-night rallies. both called for party unity. both tried to pivot toward the general election. >> i consider myself the presumptive nominee, absolutely. [ cheers and applause ] senator cruz and governor kasich should really get out of the race now. they have no path to victory. honestly, they should get out of the race and we should heal the republican party, bring the republican party together. >> i applaud senator sanders and his millions of supporters for challenging us to get unaccountable money out of our politics and giving greater emphasis to closing the gap of
inequality. and i know together we will get that done. [ cheers and applause ] because whether you support senator sanders or you support me, there's much more that unites us than divides us. >> let's talk about last night's results with our early morning panel. joining us, senior media correspondent of cnn, host of "reliable sources" brian stelter. dylan beyers, and eric bradner. dylan, i want to start with you. you have a big take on this big night, which you consider essentially decisive. >> put a fork in it. it's done. we spend so much time in this election cycle, you know, hedging our bets because the conventional wisdom has always been -- but every night we talk about who has the momentum. right now we're dealing with
cold, hard math. i know we don't want to be dealing with math at 4:00 in the morning, but hillary clinton is almost to the finish line. it's very hard to see -- i mean, look, it's effectively impossible for bernie sanders to do anything about it. his campaign has even acknowledged it. he's even acknowledged it in his statements, talking about how he's going to go to the convention. he's going to be pushing a progressive party platform. you look at ted cruz on the republican side, what path does he have? give him indiana, fine. trump is way up in california. if we look at tonight as any guide, he's going to win new jersey. again, where is that path? it doesn't seem to exist for cruz or sanders. >> brian stelter, all these players are still in the game. it's done. we now know what we think the general election is going to look like, but we have the same number of players today as yesterday. >> whether it's over or not is a political calculation, but the math is not. it is clear from the math where things stand. it was really striking last
night donald trump was at the time 100 gala. he went over to this media gathering before his big press conference, and he barely knew the results. he knew he had won, but he didn't know by how much. he kept asking for me updates. i was looking at cnn.com telling him over 60%. >> hanging with donald trump before the results come in. >> his message he was trying to convey was, we're not just over 50%, which people said i couldn't do, we're over 60%, and this is with three people in the race. he was trying to make the point again and again that he is defying conventional wisdom. he was speaking repeatedly with the rnc chairman. they finished up their night by saying, i'll talk to you tomorrow. maybe we are seeing some reconciliation with the party. we also heard him say kind words about the rnc at his press conference last night. >> less kind words about hillary clinton. during this speech, you could see donald trump really trying to turn his focus to the general election.
listen to how he responded to the issue of hillary clinton and the possibility that hillary clinton would use her gender or would run as an historic candidate, being the first woman to be a nominee. listen to what donald trump said. >> well, i think the only card she has is the woman card. she's got nothing else going. frankly, if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. the only thing she's got going is the woman's card, and the beautiful thing is women don't like her, okay? >> if she were running as a man, eric, she wouldn't even get 5%. donald trump said it last night. now as he does the rounds on the morning shows this morning, that's the question he's going to be asked. that felt more like the old donald trump than perhaps the new, more restrained donald trump, who doesn't exist, frankly. >> absolutely. he said repeatedly last night, he's not planning on changing his tone, changing his approach. frankly, to lock up the nomination, all he needs to do is keep doing what he's been
doing. you did see both candidates start to pivot toward the general election last night. hillary clinton extended an olive branch to bernie sanders supporters in a big way, sort of reaching out and taking the first step of what could be several over the coming days if sanders starts to dial back his attacks on clinton. we'll be watching that today in indiana, where he's campaigning on two big university campuses. but with trump, yes, he's said over and over and over for weeks that he just hasn't started talking about hillary clinton yet. when he does, you're going to start to see the poll numbers that show him with dramatic, unfavorable ratings, especially among women in the general electorate. well, this was sort of an opening salvo. it's going to be a really nasty general election campaign. after last night, it's tough to disagree with dylan. it looks like these are two candidates on a collision course right now.
>> it's always tough to disagree. >> i always agree with dylan. team clinton sort of honing its own message on the woman card and if this is going to be an issue. this is something that hillary clinton said not directly in response to the 5% comment from donald trump -- >> no, but it seemed like she was expecting it. >> let's listen to what she said. >> now, the other day mr. trump accused me of playing the, quote, woman card. [ booing ] well, if fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal me in. >> so brian, we had a democrat on the last hour who said, i can see the hashtag, t-shirts. it could be a great slogan for a general election. >> it's already started to appear and take off. the other key line from hillary clinton overnight was love
trump's hate. she said it before, but she said it in a very loud way in her speech. that was one of the defining moments in her speech, to use the word trump in that way. there's lots of ways she can do that. but love trump's hate, one of her messages. there's 152 days until the first general election debate. >> but who's counting? >> it was almost like we could see them debating in realtime at their press events last night. >> dylan byers, i don't think donald trump lost a single county in the five states. he lost a handful of towns in these five states. just a dominant, dominant performance. the question is, can he carry that forward to next week in indiana? >> it reminds you when he won all of florida, giving marco rubio only his own county. he's shown the limitations of the candidates that he's running against. ted cruz has sort of put himself
up there as the anti-trump, the outsider. he was hoping once all the other candidates dropped out that everyone would rally behind him. of course, there are two problems with that. one, there are a lot of republicans and conservatives who don't like ted cruz and don't want him to be their anti-trump option. two more, significantly, he has a lot of the limitations he said he wouldn't have. he hasn't won the non-evangelical vote in the any state except wisconsin. he said he wasn't going to be a mike huckabee-type candidate, but he is that type of candidate. i think his platform has just been raised by the fact that there's so much antipathy and anger toward trump among members of the republican establishment. >> all right, dream team. stand by. a lot more to discuss. donald trump, a lot to celebrate tonight. you can bet he'll do some of that this morning. he'll be on "new day" at 6:00 a.m. eastern time. >> also on "new day," speaker of the house paul ryan, who's warning the gop candidates not to wait until the convention to get their acts together, or it will be, quote, too late.
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last night. ted cruz won nothing, finished third in four out of five states. bernie sanders won only rhode island. it was a big night for donald trump. a big night for hillary clinton. what do the exit polls say about how they got there? let's bring back our panel to discuss. brian stelter, dylan byers, eric bradner. we asked an interesting question, a pertinent question, giving the thought this might be a contested convention. we asked voters, if no one gets to 1237, if no one hits the magic number, who should the republican nominee be? look at what they said. in pennsylvania, they said essentially the primary winner. the person who wins the most votes. they said the same thing in connecticut. they said the same thing in maryland as well, 67%. two-thirds or more, eric, saying that's who should get the nomination, not some delegate game. you begin to see maybe why donald trump has been hitting this so hard over the last few weeks. it may not be because he thinks the republican party will change the rules, but he thinks the
discussion about the rules might be helping him with voters. >> that's absolutely right. seems like across the board last night, the republican electorate was getting more comfortable with the idea of donald trump as its nominee. yes, trump has been hitting this argument about fairness. after a series of big wins in new york and five in a row, it is sort of hard to argue that he's not becoming the consensus nominee. so yeah, those numbers were really eye popping because they suggest his argument that the only way he can be denied is if the democratic process is denied is really sinking in. you know, ted cruz and john kasich aren't backing off this plan to sort of divide and conquer and deny him delegates here and there, but it's a lot more difficult today than it was yesterday because they didn't really have any strong areas. they were hoping to at least pick off some congressional districts. cruz would maybe win in rural
maryland and kasich would be able to do well in some suburbs. that just didn't happen. it doesn't bode well for suburban indianapolis, for example, or oregon or california. there's no real indication that the latest machination of this stop trump movement has had any success in identifying pockets of resistance and really turning them out and winning delegates in those areas. so yeah, trump is going to keep hammering this point because exit polls show more and more and more republicans say the winner of the most delegates should be the nominee, and he's running away with the most delegates. >> another interesting question asked in the exit polls that showed a different picture for the two parties, they were asked, you know, the primary campaign, is it helping or healing your party? the democrats said they were energized, mostly energized by the primary campaign. the republicans felt it had
divided the party. look at the pennsylvania numbers there. you see, guys -- you really see a different picture here when you look at the democrats, who seem energized by this process, compared with the republicans who seem to feel the stop trump movement or the divisions have been hurtful. >> which is critical because early on in this cycle, we've seenless turnout on the democratic side. we've seen less enthusiasm by some measures. we've even seen less television rates with the debates. i wonder if two things are possibly going on at the same time. yes, we're seeing acceptance about trump. this five stages of grief process we've talked about all winter and spring. there is a point of acceptance. we have to kind in mind, trump supporters aren't grieving at all. they've been happy this whole time. while there's some acceptance, is there not a deepening of that divide or that resistance among
people who are so-called never trump. what i saw online and the reaccider reactions though these results are the people wary of trump doubling down, tripling down, resisting him more fiercely than ever. >> i would say that exit poll question to me is the most salient point in terms of what happened last night. the reason for that is this. hillary clinton has many areas of growth. we talk about her enthusiasm gap, for instance. but if you look at young voters between the ages of 18 and 29 and you say, well, look, if it is a match yun between donald trump and hillary clinton, where do you go, many of them say hillary clinton. there are a lot of areas where she has growth. she could bring in even more members of african-americans, latinos, asians. donald trump has basically told the republican establishment to go to hell. you've got even the koch
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welcome back to "early start," everyone. i'm john berman. >> special edition of "early start" this wednesday. i'm christine romans. >> a big night for the front runners, donald trump especially. he went five for five. he swept all the states that voted overnight and by really big margins. 63% in rhode island. in delaware he took 60%, nearly 61%. connecticut, that was closer, still 57%. pennsylvania, the biggest state at stake, 56%. in maryland, 54%. wow. >> and an important night for clinton, who picked up pennsylvania with 55%. in maryland, 63%. to delaware now, where she picked up almost 60% there. in connecticut, 51%. bernie sanders won just one state, rhode island, 55%. trump and clinton held
late-night rallies, both calling for party unity, both pivoting toward the general election. >> i consider myself the presumptive nominee, absolutely. [ cheers and applause ] senator cruz and governor kasich should really get out of the race now. they have no path to victory. honestly, they should get out of the race and we should heal the republican party, bring the republican party together. >> i applaud senator sanders and his millions of supporters for challenging us to get unaccountable money out of our politics and giving greater emphasis to closing the gap of inequality. and i know together we will get that done.
because whether you support senator sanders or you support me, there's much more that unites us than divides us. >> all right. let's break down last night's results with our panel. thanks for being here this morning. i guess, dylan, let's start with you. your headline from last night. how many ways -- how many languages can you say the word finished? you said it's finished. we're done here. >> i have to learn how to say finished in german. i really do again think this has changed from a conversation about momentum to math. bernie sanders has effectively acknowledged that he's going to be going to the convention, trying to push his progressive platform but that he's not going to win his party's nomination. ted cruz is -- you know
, call it denial, call it hope against hope, he still believes he has a shot and that shot runs through indiana. again, you give him indiana, look at trump's margin, his lead in the big states like california and new jersey. so look, cruz can't get to 1237. one of the key exit poll questions was, if donald trump can't get to 1237, who should be the nominee? the majority of people who answered that question said it should be the guy with the most votes. that is donald trump. it's going to be very hard for the republican party to tell a plurality of majority of voters that they're not going to get what they want. i don't see it happening. >> there's something very interesting at the tactical level which maybe shows the trump campaign is getting its act together. in pennsylvania, which donald trump won by a lot, outright, and he won all 17 of the statewide delegates there, he also apparently, we believe, picked up the support of many, the majority of the 54 unbound delegates. those are delegates who are
directly elected. at least 29, probably more than that, tell cnn they will vote for donald trump. that's a key organizational victory. it makes his sweep last night all the more impressive. >> yeah, that sort of thing is key at this point. the only way trump can be defeated -- and dylan is right. it's next to impossible at this point. ted cruz has to win indiana, and a bunch of things have to break against donald trump. his campaign really has got its act together. we do expect at least 29 delegates in pennsylvania to support trump. so part of the problem for trump, part of what really bolstered this never trump movement was that you could go sort of from state convention to congressional district convention weekend after weekend after weekend and watch ted cruz and john kasich beat him, have
recruited delegates who were legally bound to trump on the first ballot but would definitely switch to someone else on the second ballot. what we saw in pennsylvania last night was an indication that's sort of stopping. trump obviously needs to replicate that in other states. west virginia, for example, is going to be another example, but it's big for trump to stop bleeding those delegates because it means that all of the sudden the other candidates are truly facing the demography of the electorate. they're facing this limited, narrow map that's left. if there's no way to sort of trick it, to work outside that map, then they don't really have a path to the nomination. >> brian, there was a moment last night in donald trump's victory speech when he talked about hillary clinton in very disparaging terms about how if she were a man, she wouldn't
even get 5% of the vote. listen to what he said. >> well, i think the only card she has is the woman's card. she's got nothing else going. frankly, if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. the only thing she's got going is the woman's card. and the beautiful thing is, women don't like her, okay. >> just moments before this, hillary clinton almost anticipating this line of attack. she had a comment about playing the women's card. listen to what she said. >> now, the other day mr. trump accused me of playing the, quote, woman card. [ booing ] well, if fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal me in. >> factually speaking, first of all, she would have more than 5% of the vote if she were a man.
she was a secretary of state. she was in the senate and had many other roles. but there's a deeper underlying comment by trump, which is that she's only gotten where she is because of her husband, because of her man. that's not the kind of thing that a lot of women are going to appreciate hearing. i'm sure some men are going to be offended by it as well. i'm sure trump is going to be asked about it again and again on the morning shows this morning. whether he wanted to or not, he's created another story on top of his victory, another controversy. i suppose what we would call this is trump being trump that's what we saw in this press conference. we didn't see a more restrained donald trump. he talked for 40 minutes in primetime. he took advantage of the broadcast time, but he said a number of things that were -- at one point, remember mary pat christie right behind trump, seemingly rolling her eyes about the woman comment. >> you can see there. watch carefully. this is when he's talking about
how she wouldn't have 5% of the vote. you can see her kind of look to the side and almost roll her eyes. >> she represents many people in the viewing audience who thought that comment was not quite right. i think that's going to drive a new narrative. i think it's correct to say he's the presumptive nominee. what does it mean as he tries to broaden out his base. >> can i just add to that, go back and look at 2012. 53% of the people who voted in the general election in 2012 were women. 55% of them voted for barack obama, voted for the democrat. if donald trump being trump means making the general election about gender and introducing a gender debate, i think hillary clinton welcomes that. i think that's what she meant when she said deal me in. as it boon to everyone except those disenfranchised white males. >> it's a gender debate.
it's going to be because there's a female nominee. certainly it appears there will be. i do have to keep in mind trump and many of his supporters would say, we don't take everything he says exactly the way the media takes it. some of this is -- you know t there's sort of a literal meaning of his words and a psychological meaning of his words. we have to keep in mind the way his supporters might be different. >> all right. stand by. a lot more to talk about on this front. donald trump going five for five. expect he will be doing some celebrating this morning on "new day." also having to answer questions about what he meant by that hillary clinton wouldn't get more than 5% if she were a man. that's "new day" at 6:00 a.m. eastern. >> but wait, there's more. also on "new day," speaker of the house paul ryan, who's warning the gop not to wait until the convention to get their acts together. he'll be the -- he'll be in the
all right. donald trump and hillary clinton, they both won big last night. still, the math. they need to get more delegates to secure the nomination. let's take a look ahead at the next few contests and who the other candidates blame for their losses. let's bring back our panel. brian stelter, dylan byers, eric bradner. brian and dylan, this is right in your wheelhouse. ted cruz, when the going gets tough, what does a political candidate do? blame the media. listen to how he explained donald trump's success last night. >> if you find yourself
wondering why the media is so eager to have donald as the republican nominee, you don't have to look any further than today's "usa today" front page. 40% of gop doubt they vote for trump. now, i want you to think for a second. the network executives, are they democrats or are they republicans? every one of them are ready for hillary. >> you know, dylan, that same "usa today" poll he held up showed him with a 16-point lead nationally, donald trump over ted cruz. although, he didn't talk about that. it does make sense, i suppose. the media is wildly unpopular. does that explain all of his problems? >> well, look, our colleague david axelrod said it far better than i could say it. attacking the media is a loser's
lament. it is. if you attack the media, if you say the media is going to hem and haw about this is the end of the republican primary and ted cruz doesn't stand a chance, then ted cruz's core base of supporters are likely either not going to watch or they're going to watch and criticize everything we have to say. but rt fathe fact of the matter attacking the media, it's great, it's red meat for the conservative base. they don't trust the media anyway. the majority of americans don't trust the media. but at the end of the day, it fundamentally doesn't help. you can blame the media. you can blame whatever you want. at the end of the day, you have to put numbers on the board. ted cruz hasn't put those numbers on the board. that doesn't have anything to do with the media. the media never said -- you know, they never said he didn't stand any chance against donald trump. in fact, for a long time, they've been carrying this narrative of a contested convention. that's what we've been doing. >> interesting how in the last few hours here, the contested convention idea has faded a little bit because the numbers
are so on trump's side here. mathematically impossible, essentially, for cruz, definitely for kasich. it's interesting how that narrative is changing a little bit. bottom line, media types love a good story. cruz versus clinton would be a good story in the same way trump versus clinton would be a good story. i saw a tweet overnight, the first trump/clinton debate will be a global phenomenon. >> some could argue the media underestimated the rise of donald trump. or was overly critical early on, which is not even a possibility. >> there's a lot of hostility. perhaps some journalists previously as well. these really are extraordinary times. we've never seen a presumptive nominee like donald trump before. that's the real media bias, which is toward a good story line. >> i want to get in a statement
we got last night from bernie sanders. i want to read it to you guys, and tell me what you think here. the people in every state in this country should have the right to determine who they want as president and what the agenda of the democratic party should be. that's why we are in this race until the last vote is cast. that's why this campaign is going to the democratic national convention in philadelphia with as many delegates as possible. eric, he's not talking about winning the nomination anymore but sticking it out. >> that's right. the statement last night was an obvious indication he's in this through the california primary on june 7th and actually the d.c. contest the week after that. but hillary clinton supporters are going to be quite hopeful that this means bernie sanders is going to really dial back his personal attacks and focus on the issues that have been central to his campaign all along. sanders' campaign manager jeff weaver did tell cnn afterward
that he is still trying to win the nomination. that's still the goal. but that statement was a really sort of eye-popping indicator that sanders is sort of dealing with the reality of the math at this point. there's no real way for him to catch hillary clinton in pledge delegates, in total vote count, in delegates overall, including super delegates, which is why you actually heard him talking about polls last night that show him head to head against donald trump, actually reaching out to super delegates, trying to get them to change their minds. it's kind of all he has left at this point. so clinton extended a big olive branch in her speech last night. sort of reaching out to sanders' supporters, praising the issues he's raised. hillary clinton is going to be watching closely to see if bernie sanders does dial it back a bit. if he does, that olive branch extension is going to be a trend
that we're going to be noticing in the days ahead. >> the language today will be key to see. that statement that bernie sanders put out says he looks forward to an issue-based campaign over the coming months. those words jumped out that maybe he is going to tone it back. >> primary voters had their money on their minds. the economy and jobs the top issues yet again. 60% think donald trump is their guy. another signature trump issue, trade. we asked if trade with other countries takes away u.s. jobs. more than half the electorate said yes and overwhelmingly broke for trump. southern connecticut has big tied to wall street, money ties to wall street. we asked the statewide electorate if wall street helps or hurts the economy. look at that. 50% said it helps. 41% said it hurts. trump won both categories, by the way. on the democratic side, same question, different breakdown. just 29% of democrats in
connecticut say wall street helps the economy. clinton won nearly 80% of those voters. 63% said wall street hurts the economy. that's in wall street's backyard. big hedge fund money there. >> very interesting. all right. donald trump obviously the big winner overnight. there was a lawsuit, though, against trump and trump university. it is now moving forward. a big development in that case. that's next. wiback like it could used to? neutrogena hydro boost water gel. with hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. for supple, hydrated skin. hydro boost. from neutrogena
the trump university fraud lawsuit will go to trial, and it could lead to donald trump taking the stand. a new york judge ruling the $40 million suit brought by the state's attorney general against trump, the university, and its former president will move forward. the attorney general alleging trump appeared in ads that falsely claimed trump university would use hand-picked experts to
teach get-rich real estate schemes. the attorney general says that fleeced students out of millions of dollars. this morning, former house speaker denny hastert learns his fate for paying hush money to cover up alleged sex abuse. he already pleaded guilty. a judge is expected to hear testimony from at least one of hastert's accusers at today's sentencing before deciding whether the 74-year-old should serve jail time. tennessee's governor must decide by tonight whether to sign or veto a so-called therapist bill. the legislation would allow psychotherapists to refuse service to lgbt patients for religious reasons. last week tennessee governor asked lawmakers to withdraw a similar bill. prince's sister wants a special administrator appointed to find out how much the late singer was worth and what to do
with his assets. she told a minnesota court that prince did not have a will and though one really knows the value of his estate, which includes the paisley park property, a record label, and thousands of songs. it is believed he was worth at least $300 million. prince was not married. he had no living parents or children. bill cosby faces an uphill legal battle in his attempt to get sex abuse allegations against him dismissed. meantime in new york, a federal judge denied cosby's bid. big night in politics. big results for the front runners. "early start" continues now. i just want to thank everybody.
this is a far bigger win than we even expected. all five. >> lest go forward. let's win the nomination, and in july, let's return as a unified party. >> huge victories for donald trump and hillary clinton. the presidential front runners getting closer to clinching their party's nomination, pivoting toward a general election. good morning. welcome to this special edition of "early start." i'm chris tan tine romans. >> i'm john berman. it is 5:00 a.m. in the east. the super spring tuesday in april, a big night for the front runners donald trump and hillary clinton. donald trump went five for five. he swept all states. look at some of the margins that he wrapped up there. he got 63% in rhode island. in delaware he hit more than 60%. in connecticut, he got 57%. getting over 50% there gave him a