tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN April 27, 2016 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT
>> reporter: today donald trump unleashing a blistering criticism of the obama clinton foreign policy, previewing fault lines that could shape the general election. >> i challenge anyone to explain the strategic foreign policy vision of obama clinton. it has been a complete and total disaster. >> reporter: in his formal speech in washington, trump called for an america first approach to foreign policy. >> my foreign policy will put america first.
and america security above all has to be first. >> reporter: saying he will seek to improve relationships with countries like russia. >> we desire to live peacefully and in friendship with russia and china. >> reporter: rather than delve into specifics, trump says it is time to stop broadcasting america's every move. >> we must as a nation be more unpredictable. we are totally predictable. >> reporter: after a five state sweep tuesday, trump feels more secure than ever in his frontrunner status. >> i consider myself the presumptive nominee. >> reporter: to clinch the nomination, he needs roughly 49% of remaining delegates to hit the magic 1237. to date, he won about 50.2% of the delegates. so if he keeps up his current pace, the nomination should be within his grasp. for trump, it is a sign a strategy that got him this far is working. >> you have a football team and you're winning and you get to the super bowl, you don't change the quarterback. so i'm not changing.
>> reporter: that general election fight could be brutal as trump tries an even sharper tone against clinton, questioning whether she has any credentials beyond her gender. >> frankly, if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she would get 5% of the vote. the only thing she has going is the woman's card. >> reporter: trump is not the only one with his eye on the general. today ted cruz making the unconventional decision to tap carly fiorina as his vp, if he can win the nomination as a contested convention. >> carly is a vice presidential nominee superbly skilled to unite the party, bring us together so we stand united as one. >> sarah murray joins us. trump finished talking in indiana. what did he have to say. did he talk about fiorina? >> reporter: yes, he did talk about carly fiorina and ted cruz
and he was sort of openly mocking the latest move by cruz saying this is the guy who is mathematically eliminated from winning first ballot, he is not going to win, yet announced this vp. trump doesn't seem worried this dual ticket will hamper his chances. he said another interesting thing going through the minds of rivals, if i win in indiana, it is over. that's what we hear from more and more aides to rival campaigns, if donald trump manages to come to victory in indiana, it will be very difficult to deny him the 1237 delegates he is going to need to arrive in cleveland as the nominee. anderson? >> sarah murray, thanks very much. ted cruz announced that carly fiorina will be his running mate. sunlen serfaty joins me. he received criticism about the announcement. what is he saying? >> reporter: it was notable today, anderson, that senator cruz when he was making this big
announcement of carly fiorina, within that speech he really addressed the criticism head onto make the move certainly speaking to the volume and depth of the criticism coming to him today. senator cruz acknowledging that some are saying this is an unusual move, certainly is atypical, not only given timing but for a candidate with his standing in the campaign. cruz is shooting back, saying nothing about the campaign is typical or traditional. trying to pivot to a message his campaign has been trying to push recently, almost casting himself as underdog, one eager to make a rebound. senator cruz is saying to supporters here you're going to start to hear that donald trump is the nominee. don't believe them. it seems to me the cruz campaign is trying to use the vp announcement, early vp announcement to capture that as a sense of possibility for his candidacy going forward. >> sunlen, thanks very much. we asked senator cruz to come on, he declined for a guy saying the media gives donald trump
interviews. he continues to decline introduce. -- interviews. we have the new york city correspondent patrick heely, political anchor errol lewis, gloria borger, caylee mcnanny, tara set meyer. gloria, what do you make of him naming fiorina? >> changed from last night's disastrous performance. >> completely diversion narrow, why not do it, puts his chips in the middle of the table. says this is it, naming a woman. maybe she will help in california, maybe not. did lose a senate race there. they like each other, she campaigned for him, endorsed him, i think he has nothing to lose by doing this except all of us saying it is a last ditch effort to save his campaign, which by the way it is. >> in the wake of the sort of
kasich, cruz deal, seems like he is throwing everything at this. >> he acknowledged he is low on resources. one thing you get with carly fiorina is someone that's possibly a self funder with a bunch of money, ran in california, got 42% of the vote. help him perhaps win selected districts. because it is winner take all by district in california. she can round up delegates.
then there's a question of trying to grab part of the news cycle, get us talking about this. >> the only time or last time it happened, reagan convention. >> 1976, right. then there was a convention, he was within certainly greater striking distance of gerald ford back then when he made his pick. wasn't the width of desperation you see around ted cruz. my times colleagues reported that the cruz campaign polled her in indiana and other states and her numbers were very modest. she wasn't adding a lot, but after the kasich alliance coming embracing fiorina, it looks like he is doing everything he can, not talking policy and the conservative issues, feels like reenergizing the base, he is throwing passes that makes him look like a smaller candidate.
>> what a major difference between reagan in 1976, reagan was the conservative candidate and nominated a republican senator who was a moderate. the point is it broadened a base. cruz nominated somebody who i did logically has nothing distinct. the cruz kasich idea was suggested that you could build the map, grow the party, get other people in, keep the lid on trump. it is just nonsense. >> margaret has a great point. you have to ask why would he put someone just like him on the ticket, the answer is he's losing among his base, among conservative voters. donald trump won those voters. he can't shore up the base. that's why he puts carly fiorina on the ticket. i woke up from a nap, heard ted cruz announcing a vp pick. i thought i was in the twilight zone, i realized it was a ploy. he's ahead and he trounced ted cruz last night and tuesday as well. it is a move of desperation. >> there's one way carly fiorina is not ted cruz, it is gender. she's a woman. it is a big piece of red meat he puts in front of donald trump. donald trump whacked carly
fiorina before, his favorability numbers with women are a problem. a regular republican nominee in a cycle would be looking at a female vice presidential candidate to run against hillary clinton. in this way it seems like for now not only changing the subject but really giving trump -- >> you think what would have happened if sarah palin endorsed ted cruz if this pick would have still been made. if in desperate need he would have turned to sarah palin. >> i don't think so, given the way sarah palin turned out since 2008, i don't think ted cruz wanted sarah palin's endorsement this time around, but look, we can call it an act of desperation. i look at it a different way. this is a campaign. the campaign is about strategy. this is a strategic decision. there's nothing traditional about the campaign. ted cruz looked at the situation. donald trump can call himself the presumptive nominee all he wants, but the game is still not
over. he has not reached 1237, so he compares himself to ronald reagan all the time. at this point ronald reagan had 70% in 1980. >> for you the strategy is it gives delegates something else to consider. >> gives delegates something to consider, gives them a two fer. yes, ted cruz is low on resources, why not bring in someone. she's an effective surrogate for him. and remember that carly fiorina is one of the only people who ever put donald trump in his place on the debate stage after he went after her. >> that's the key. >> she's effective. >> carly fiorina is a bulldog, a pit bull, she can go after
donald trump and hillary clinton in a way that gets earned media. that's what they need. he said it is team fiorina is on one side -- >> in terms of cruz today in the announcement said it is he and fiorina and trump and clinton on the other side. does that make any sense to you? >> so bizarre. on the ideological spectrum, you can't get farther away than hillary clinton and donald trump. it is a bizarre statement to put them in the same category. he was in the role of a businessman, now he is in the role of -- >> why did he praise her as a good secretary of state. >> if you walk down wall street, talk to the businessmen and ceos, they donated to both candidates. when you're a businessman, you do. >> plays both sides. >> you argue that trump is secretly closer. >> absolutely.
his record says it. you go back, look how he praised hillary clinton, thought she was a wonderful secretary of state after the disaster in libya, he was all about chuck schumer and all of these other people. he is now complaining what disastrous foreign policy. had no money giving them money and supporting them when it benefitted him. >> she's giving the reasons why the republican party lost the last two election cycles, by the way. she would like someone like ted cruz win the nomination, who has the most narrow, ideological standpoint of any candidate in modern political history, who would lose the nomination to hillary clinton in a landslide. donald trump has expanded the platform on trade, noninterventionism, he has shaken up the party in a way it needed.
>> does carly fiorina, yes, it is a bump in the news cycle today. tomorrow, next day, next week, the story is indiana. what happens in indiana. >> it is about delegates and convincing delegates your ticket is electable, and maybe carly fiorina helps, except she didn't do so well in the presidential contest herself. >> or when she ran for senate. >> so she doesn't bring a state with her. i think this was a strategic, tactical move to say look at what we would look like. we would look better than donald trump and whomever he may choose. >> we have to take a quick break. more on trump's foreign policy speech, he said he will get rid of isis and blasted president obama's policies. also ahead on the democratic side, hillary clinton closer to clinching the nomination, bernie sanders maybe shifting strategy as a result. the latest when we continue.
as we reported after a five state primary sweep that puts him closer to the presidential nomination, donald trump today gave a foreign policy speech. the optics were presidential. he was reading from a teleprompter, at times he blasted others for doing that, though he did do it at apac. the message was at times contradictory, others were long on promises, short on specifics. listen to what he said about isis. >> and then there's isis. i have a simple message for them. their days are numbered. i won't tell them where and i won't tell them how.
we must, we must as a nation be more unpredictable. we are totally predictable. we tell everything. we're sending troops, we tell them. we're sending something else, we have a news conference. we have to be unpredictable. and we have to be unpredictable starting now. they're going to be gone. isis will be gone if i'm elected president and they'll be gone quickly. >> joining me, senior political analyst, david gergen, former adviser to four presidents and retired general mark hurtling. what did you think of that speech? didn't take long to adjust to reading the teleprompter in this way. >> anderson, critics in foreign policy and foreign relations will pan the speech, least sophisticated speech by a presidential candidate in year. long on analysis, short on specifics. doesn't tell us how he is getting rid of isis, promises he has a secret plan. all of that being said, i think those criticisms are generally on target, but big advance from where he's been. for that i think he deserves encouragement. the more he speaks from a
teleprompter and has a coherent speech in which he tells us what his priorities are, that's an advance in the campaign. he has to start thinking about a complicated world. i must tell you, i also thought it had -- what he left out, importantly, was nothing about mexico and the wall and deportation. that's often part of the foreign policy pitch. instead he put jobs in the middle, stability in the middle of it. i think a lot of foreign countries are terrified by the prospect of donald trump, take reassurance doesn't sound like a madman dropping bombs, he emphasized need for peace and stability. i think they'll draw some modest reassurance. >> general hurtling, you have been on the end of u.s. policy for a long time, what do you make of it and the idea of being unpredictable, not sort of saying you're moving troops and that. >> i'll talk speech, first. i am not a political pundit obviously.
i don't talk about ground games or delegate counts or anything like that. i am more concerned about national security strategy and leadership. when i heard he was giving a policy speech today, security policy, had my pen ready, i was taking notes and i was disappointed. it was incoherent, rambling speech as david said. >> incoherent? >> to me. he made five points initially, then he began a lot of back and forth, contradicting himself in many situations and not providing details that you would want in strategy. strategy is all about ends, what you try to achieve objectives, ways you do it and means to get there. i didn't hear any of that in the speech, there were quite a few things in there that actually disturbed me. >> the idea i don't want to give the strategy, we have to be unpredictable, do you buy that? >> i don't. we live in a free society. the press is named in the constitution.
the american people have a right to know what we are doing. that doesn't mean giving details of secret operations or the way we're going to maneuver or place soldiers, but the press has the -- and it is a condition of the battlefield, as commander in combat in several occasions, we dealt with the press. you had to make sure they had information to give the american people because we work for the american people. so you can't do these things in secret. you can still surprise the enemy, use deception, but you have to tell the american people what you're doing and what kind of their sons and daughters you take for different operations. >> you think about it, vladimir putin is plenty unpredictable, but is that really what you want from a leader of the free world? >> no, anderson. i think one of the great worries about donald trump is he will be unpredictable and will be erratic. he will wake up one day, have a notion and go out and do something. people are looking for a commander in chief that's wiser, steadier than that. i think that's important for our friends and allies around the world. to go to the general's point, you cannot go to war, send american troops in without going
to the public first and saying what you're doing. very importantly, can't just have a secret plan to take out isis and expect allies to be there unless you tell them what the plan is and they have to be prepared, too. has he to break out of this. i think that's the weakest part, trust me, i'm get rid of isis, i have my own secret plan. i don't think that will hold. >> it is interesting, general hurtling, you were on the program after the first interview with donald trump and his policy then for isis was take iraq's oil, surround the oil fields, take the oil, which is unclear how he was going to do that, then send in mobile exxon, surround those companies with u.s. troops while they extract iraq's oil and
essentially steal the country's oil as somehow payment or bounty and depriving isis in the process. >> let me go back to the beginning of what i said, anderson. it was incoherent and rambling. his strategy has evolved, if you want to call it a strategy from bombing and circling the oil field to today it was trust me, i'll get it done, and get it done very fast. well, i have to tell you that to me as a military guy, that's somewhat insulting. we've had forces on the ground, this is complex warfare, very difficult. you're trying to garner support from various political bases in iraq and in other places now and to say that he can get it done because of personal desires and his perspective, it is insulting. i'll go back to that word, that's insulting to me as a military man. >> david, to that point it does imply that somehow the military personnel who are fighting and
sacrificing their lives don't want to get it done quick or i guess donald trump would argue they have their hands tied behind their back by administration policy. >> i didn't see this as insult to our fighting troops. certainly didn't see it as a view that the president is doing all he can. the reports are that the pentagon folks and military guys are coming up with plans all the time to get rid of isis but simply can't get the white house to agree to more ambitious plans. what trump is signaling, he will do something more muscular, but needs to tell us more than he told us. i want to go back to another point, anderson. i think given where he has been, the casual way he handled foreign policy so many times, at least we're getting him on paper now and forced to think through. i agree there's lack of coherence in much of what he said. a lot of contradictions. i would like to see more speeches so we have some sense of what a trump presidency is, not just a personality. it has been a personality race
so far. >> when he talked to "the new york times" for over 100 minutes, it was in great detail. thank you. just ahead, donald trump slamming hillary clinton, accusing her of playing the woman card. she's firing back, saying deal me in. is that a risky strategy? is he giving clinton a gift? talk about that ahead.
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before the polls close super tuesday, the two frontrunners were sparring, donald trump throwing a familiar punch, accusing hillary clinton of playing the woman card. clinton hit back in her victory speech last night even before trump repeated the comments. >> if fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal me in! >> with trump responding by mocking clinton's remarks as shouting, doubling down in his own victory speech remarks today. >> i think the only card she has is the woman's card, she's got nothing else going. frankly, if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. the only thing she's got going is the woman's card, and the beautiful thing is women don't like her, okay?
>> she's playing the woman card left and right. she did play it last time with obama and she's doing it this time and will be called on it. >> he has his own history of making controversial, offensive remarks about women. this much is certain, women are a key voting block in the election. back with us, the panel and michigan governor granholm, adviser for the pro-clinton super pac. margaret, these comments about trump, does it play into hillary clinton's hands? >> it is exactly what republicans shouldn't be doing because here's where we tack toward the general election.
republican female voters have proven they are totally immune to these sort of insults or attacks. the issue is that if you're going to get a coalition that can win in november, you have to get a combination of demographic votes that -- you have to do better than mitt romney. mitt romney lost the female vote by 12 percentage points to barack obama. start there, think you've got to do better. discount that you're running as the first female in history. there's historic relevance, not just to people like us and see it in individuals as what they offer to the campaign, but the people vote every four years, tune in couple weeks before the election or after the convention saying wow, you have the first woman running versus whoever she's running against, that matters. how she's treated is really important. >> caylee? >> she's correct to say it plays into hillary's hand, more effective to attack her record as secretary of state. but look at the efficacy about the gender card. i think he's correct. unfortunately it will be used by her, but i think he's correct. here's the thing, hillary clinton stood on a stage opposite rick lazio.
in 2000. they painted it as a sexist encounter. when he said excuse me, they said this was sexist, too. this is repeated use of gender in debates. if you want to empower women, you don't play that victim card and taking advantage of that scenario when it serves you. it doesn't help women. it is a disgrace to first generation feminists. >> i don't think she's playing the victim card. she said deal me in. this isn't playing a victim. it is like if you want to have debate about my experience, whether i would get more than 5% of the vote, deal me in. there's no sort of victimhood about hillary clinton at all, i don't think. >> governor granholm. >> i think she's right. gloria is totally right. she's fighting on behalf of women all across this country. this is not about her being a victim, it is about her making sure that people have equal pay, that people have access to decent health care.
i see, you know what, anderson, everybody talks about this women card. i think there are entrepreneurs right now who are at printing presses printing up 52 card packs to sell at the convention with great women in history, and i'm telling you those women are looking down at what happened and seeing finally we're on the way to having this monopoly of men, 227 years is enough. i think those cards will be hot cakes. >> tara? >> the shame of this is that it takes away from the rich history that republicans actually do have with women because, you know, republicans were the first ones to put women suffrage on the platform. republicans were the first to have a woman congresswoman. these are things that we can go through our position on this, but donald trump when he says things like this, and believe me, i'm no fan of hillary clinton's, i think there are
plenty of other reasons, other attacks we could go against hillary clinton than this one, but when he does this, it opens the door for things like the governor said, it gives them carte blanche to accuse republicans of things, that we're anti-woman, all these things we are trying to get the message out that we are not, donald trump opens this door. and i'm sorry, for any professional woman that worked in a male dominated field, they look at someone like donald trump and say we had that obnoxious, misogynistic boss. that resonates with women. >> let me ask you, caylee, one of the things trump said, he is still recovering from hillary clinton shouting last night, which a lot of supporters of hillary clinton see as sexist comment, people say she's shouting, when a male is making a speech, you don't hear that. is that what you hear when he says that? >> not at all. hillary clinton when bernie
sanders said stop shouting, she immediately turned it around to be a sexist gender dynamic, it is an insult to women everywhere when hillary clinton for her convenience plays the weak victim. it is an insult to young women like me, on college campuses trying to be strong. >> does she come across as a strong woman to you? >> no, in those moments absolutely not, she takes a debate that should be on policy and then engages in an attack by painting bernie sanders as sexist, she's insulting women everywhere doing their best to be strong. >> every day. engages in a tact against women. it should be insulting that you're supporting a candidate that says women are fat pigs, he publicly shamed his first wife. >> let's look at comments he made on the campaign trail that have gotten so much notice.
>> megyn kelly is a lightweight, this is a lightweight, this is not a reporter. i don't care about megyn. i know where she went, it is disgusting, i don't want to talk about it. i am watching television, i see her barking like a dog. she's barking like a dog. carly has a habit of speaking when she wants to speak. you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. honestly, megyn, if you don't like it, i have been pretty nice to you, but i could probably not be based on the way you treated me, but i wouldn't do that. >> a lot of his supporters take the comments individually and say there was nothing wrong with what he was saying. do you believe there was anything wrong with it? >> we could have filled the 30 seconds with him criticizing males, he criticized kasich and the way he ate. has a joking demeanor, he uses it against women, too. he wife said he treats men and
women equally. >> hasn't hurt him in the primaries. >> oh, it hurt him though. well, 50% of republican women do not want to vote for him. 70% of women overall have an unfavorable view of him. i think he is shooting for 90%. those statements that you read, that you showed are just the tip of the iceberg. this guy has decades of statements like that. when he comes home, he hopes -- and dinner is not ready, he goes through the roof or the sexual things he said about his infant baby on howard stern? the guy has a litany of horrible things he has said about women. all i can say is this will be an amazing election, and it won't be just on gender. >> here's the thing.
donald trump needs to win according to large numbers, 70% of white men if he's going to overcome this huge chasm, not a gender gap, chasm on gender. every time he talks about heidi cruz or carly fiorina, he digs a deeper whole. either he is a primary candidate or general election candidate. talking about hillary clinton that way doesn't make for a good general election. >> i agree, he can't do the retweets. that has to end. you bring up statements from the '90s, he will go back to her action in the '90s, linda trip said she was demonizing women that accused her husband of sexual assault. that's the ultimate thing you do, you don't demean and accuse them. he will bring it up, that will nullify all of this. just ahead, bernie sanders says he's in the race to win, today seemed to be signaling his play book for the convention is shifting. more on that ahead.
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bernie sanders was back on the campaign trail after losing four of five states that voted yesterday, insisted he's still in the race to win, said if he doesn't win, the goal is to put together the strongest aggressive agenda a political party has seen. back is clinton supporter michael nutter and sanders supporter and strategist. gloria, there are mixed messages from the sanders campaign. says they're in it to win, but clearly after last night it is a different tale. >> and they've decided to start letting staff go, because they can't afford to keep them around. i think what bernie sanders' campaign is trying to do is trying to figure a way to have max impact going into the convention. the candidate himself has been talking about his agenda. they're talking about his platform. they want impact this summer at the convention and beyond. extracting issues, promises, appointments, whatever it is from hillary clinton, should she become the nominee. he did a remarkable thing during this campaign, he's got money, doesn't need her money. what he does need is promises from her, maybe about raising minimum wage to $15, maybe about
trade, you know, whatever it is, he is going to try to get it. >> as you know, this happens all the time. when you get to this stage, senator sanders, no matter what happens, if he is not the nominee, not the next president, he will be a senator, so he has these issues and the opportunity should hillary clinton not only be the nominee but go on to be president of the united states of america, he gets to move those issues forward as a united states senator, sitting in the senate, having had these conversations. he will ask for what he will ask for. the issue for secretary clinton, how far do you go on these items now, how far do you go during the convention, and all of that gets lined up for the general. you can't do the work if you don't win. >> as a sanders supporter, is that enough to push legislation through as a senator? somebody who has invested time, one is a sanders supporter and has the arc from which he started to where he is now is extraordinary, the energy he brought, new people he brought in, does he deserve more than that? >> i think what we are missing, this is not about senator sanders, this is about 80% of the democratic party under the age of 45 who is new voters, independents, millennials, veterans. black lives matter. all of these groups of people that felt they didn't have a seat at the table with the democratic party in the past 15, 20 years when they changed
strategy. now they finally have their voice not just being heard but valued. >> does he deserve more than that? >> i don't think, what we are missing, it sent about senator sanders, it is about 80% of the democratic party under the age of 45. veterans. all these groups that felt they didn't have a seat at the table. now, valued.
what's important for the convention, it is not about negotiating at the table, not about what you can get out of it on the platform, it is how to be inclusive. >> is bernie sanders the candidate of black lives matter? >> i think black lives matter has been part of the movement in the past few months. we have seen that at his rallies, events, the walk throughout manhattan, there was a block full of black lives matter organizers. the difference between past organizing events is that we have leaders. you know, what's great about this generation, it is very much people to people. it is about being on twitter and connecting with each other, meeting someone the day of you say there's an event. it is not about bernie sanders leading that cause, it is what to do with that energy. the democratic party will be dead. >> interesting, donald trump saying he is going to take things sanders has been talking about. >> sure, sure. very interesting time. if you look at some of the positions on foreign trade is usually cited and other issues as well as style, you have a potent swapping of issues. it is an interesting an
important time. i think she's right. when you go to the bargaining session through the convention and beyond, it is not just the traditional thing about will bernie sanders have an implied pick for the next dnc chair or for the executive director of the dnc, is he going to have a speaking role at the convention and maybe money to campaign in the general election. he is looking for bigger things presumably, not just items within the party platform but also look, if he doesn't continue as senator, he is ranking member on the budget committee. any number of things he may want, may want to change delegate selection. >> agree with the points. i think the issue she raised, the real question for senator sanders, i am not making any assumptions, don't want speculation going forward, should this not work out for him, the groups and organizations that he energized for this moment, what happens after the convention.
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your name and info has been given to me on a list as about to go public. good luck becoming a delegate. we are watching you. >> reporter: thomas john is an indiana chairman who received 30 such messages because he made it clear he plans to support john kasich on a second vote and not donald trump should there be contested convention. craig dunn, another republican district chairman says he received about 50 threatening messages. >> the last one was most disturbing, the person said if donald trump doesn't get the nomination, we should cleanse the delegates. >> reporter: he also received this letter. you are a traitor to your nation as well as the people of indiana. a trump delegate should be loyal
to trump and reflect the will of the people. you are true satan. and there are voice mails. >> i hope and pray that he dies. >> this is a lady called your office saying she hopes and praise that you die. you hear that. what are you thinking? >> on one hand, sounds like an old lady. on the other hand, what prompts someone to do that. >> reporter: this delegate, curt smith, is a prominent ted cruz supporter. >> join me welcoming the next president of the united states, senator ted cruz. >> reporter: the way it works, smith and thomas john will be compelled to vote for donald trump if trump wins the indiana primary. craig dunn will have to vote trump if he wins his congressional district. >> i will comply with that law, but nobody can make me enjoy casting that ballot. >> that's a rule, a law. i am a republican, i follow the law. >> i don't think it is in the best interest of the country, but i'll absolutely do it. >> reporter: regarding threats, they tell cnn it is deplorable and condemn any kind of
intimidation or threat. this cruz supporter says he only received snide comments but is aware what can happen. >> if comes with the fight. if you care about issues, think certain things are important, be prepared to fight for them with some cost or consequence. >> reporter: the delegates never envisioned having to look over their shoulders when deciding if they should become delegates. for now, they'll stay the course, hoping donald trump doesn't get the nomination, at the same time preparing for the possibility of helping put him over the top in cleveland. and preparing for the possibility of more disturbing messages. >> my wife was taken aback. we believe in the second amendment and we'll be fine. >> have delegates notified police about the e-mails and
voice mails? >> reporter: yes, the delegates told the state police in indiana and federal law enforcement and the authorities are investigating. we sent e-mails to the addresses listed on these messages and, anderson, i can tell you not shockingly, haven't heard back from any of those that sent the messages. more 360 ahead. frontrunners are closer to the magic numbers but the opponents are not backing down, next.