tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN April 27, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
welcome to another hour of 360. we begin with two words, presumptive nominee. it is not a done deal, of course, but he and clinton have made the math difficult. presumptive nominee triggers a candidate announcing a running mate, trump hasn't done that but his rival, ted cruz, has. after not only losing but coming in last in four of five states, he announced his pick for vice president, carly fiorina. at a rally, trump wasn't so impressed. >> today i'm in the plane, i see on television they have a new relationship starting, cruz and carly. cruz can't win. what's he doing picking vice presidents.
honestly, i wish them well, they're not going to do it for you. >> trump gave what's billed as a major foreign policy address. talk to me about the details. >> reporter: he was giving a more formal speech, he used teleprompters and used a big chunk to deliver a take down of president obama's foreign policy approach, which he called incoherent. he linked the president's approach with hillary clinton's saying they'll approach it the same way, if you elect hillary clinton, you're electing another term of president obama. what trump didn't do is layout a specific vision for how he would act as president. he said he would have an america first approach to foreign policy, and said he wants a better, closer relationship with russia and with china.
but he was careful not to reveal too many specifics. part of that in his view is by design. he feels like america broadcast too much of a strategy. he said in his speech, it is important to be unpredictable when it comes to these things. >> in terms of campaign strategy, he has been going after hillary clinton more and more often these days. >> reporter: that's right. i think what you're seeing is a reflection that donald trump thinks now he is the presumptive republican nominee, believes he will be taking on hillary clinton in a general election, i think we're seeing an early preview of what the battle will look like. saw a lot of it at donald trump's victory night event where he said hillary clinton is only winning because she's a woman, but he continued to hammer her in indianapolis. he labeled her crooked hillary. i imagine we'll hear a lot more about that. in his foreign policy address, he addressed benghazi, saying hillary clinton was asleep when that call came in, didn't take responsibility for it, and was not there when american troops and american ambassadors needed her. we'll hear about that if it is trump and clinton. >> bernie sanders is pressing
on, wrapped up a rally in bloomington, indiana. the strategy may be shifting. news out of the campaign today? >> reporter: that's right. he is significantly downsizing from a peak of about 1,000 staffers we saw in the beginning of the year all the way down i'm told by the campaign manager to about 325 or 350 staffers. i spoke with jeff weaver, his campaign manager a short time ago, and he says this is the natural evolution of any campaign, that because there aren't as many states left they
need to contract their ground game. a lot of folks looking at this saying if you're looking at the long game, think you have a shot at the general election, you would not be downsizing. what is clear is bernie sanders is going to go through all these contests, he was talking today about that. he has also been more conciliatory, talking through the day about unification come this summer of the democratic party, and sort of making a case not just for his campaign winning but his campaign having influenced this summer at the convention. >> how is the clinton campaign responding? >> reporter: they're welcoming this. they were really upset in the last couple of weeks in what they saw was bernie sanders attacking hillary clinton. they thought this was something that was unfair. bernie sanders says he was doing very little compared to what she will get in the general election. they think this may be a moment not just to focus on donald trump but focus on herself, what her plan is and what her experience is so that she is focused more on the general election and not on exchanging broad sides with bernie sanders. >> clinton and trump have gotten closer to magic numbers. john king joins me to breakdown
the numbers. john? >> start with the republicans. this is a break through day for donald trump, campaigning in indiana, says he thinks he can win indiana. more importantly, this is the first time in the race he is below 350. he needs 49% of delegates to get to the magic number 1237 before the cleveland convention. can he get there? yes, he can. won't be easy in indiana where ted cruz made a big announcement today, indiana could be key. assume donald trump, the polls are right, and ted cruz can't change them. if donald trump can shut down, break through the ted cruz fire wall in indiana and start to pull away, not only does he increase math, what a statement it would say after cruz said this is the place i will stop donald trump, this is where i make dramatic announcement of running mate. if he can do that, it changes the math and psychology of the race. with a win in indiana, play it out for the end. donald trump leads. he thinks he will get them all in new jersey. in this scenario. oregon and new mexico go to kasich, let's pick one. he thinks he can go to new
mexico, split those delegates with john kasich. modest split there, moves donald trump closer. then indiana is key. if trump wins it, most republicans think it is over, donald trump thinks he can get a huge win in the state of california. if it played out something like that, with a big win in california after a win in indiana, it gets trump to 1232, that's game over. if he gets close to 1232 primary day, june 7th. last night in pennsylvania, 36 of 54 unbound delegates said we think we owe it to donald trump. if he in cleveland needs votes, he will get them first ballot. donald trump with a cushion to spare. big win in indiana would help trump's math. now a peek at the democratic race. this is just pledge delegates. there's a reason bernie sanders is laying off field staffers. he says he still has plenty of people for the remaining contests, but hillary clinton is now 300 plus leads in pledge
delegates. she believes game over last night, wants to roll into indiana essentially for an exclamation point. won the state narrowly in 2008, wants to win it again this time to shut down the sanders campaign finally. 2008 was to keep her campaign going. if that happens, number one, she pulls out to here. number two, clinton campaign thinks that takes it to the end, get her around 2195, 2200, maybe not pledge delegates to the finish line, but room to spare when you bring in clinton's enormous lead in superdelegates, 502, 42 for bernie sanders. game, set match in this scenario, she would win big time. one thing the campaign worries about, not that bernie sanders can catch up, they worry somehow he could pull off a win in indiana next week. some indication that hillary clinton is inevitable, the democratic party has buyers remorse. expect her not to let up, go for the indiana win.
if she gets it, she will coast to the finish line, mathematically good case to make the final finish line more within reach. >> john, thanks very much. back with the panel, former new york council speaker christine quinn who supports hillary clinton. gloria, let's start with you. if ted cruz doesn't win indiana, does he stop, does he leave? now that he has carly fiorina, i'll just go to california? >> i doubt he will stop. he probably should. he doesn't have a mathematical chance at this point, and if he loses indiana, he probably doesn't have a real chance at all, heading into the convention, i think donald trump would be such an overwhelming favorite and the margin as john describes would grow smaller and smaller for trump on delegates, so i think he would head into the convention on such a
position of weakness it would be a difficult case to make, okay, guys, now you have to because donald trump is 50 short, you've got to stop and give it to me and to carly fiorina. difficult. >> cruz isn't a guy that wants to walk away, doesn't easily. he read books on the senate floor, shut down the government. he's a guy that likes to fight until the end and be seen as that. i think what he would love is for ted cruz and carly fiorina to go to california and campaign for weeks head to head against bill and hillary clinton, and something, remember, it will be ted and carly going on the attack, looking like these very sort of strong, conservative real opponents to the clintons. you know, he may not win the nomination, but i think he will be remembered by a lot in the party, some may see him as the authentic voice four years from now. >> cruz would be wise to take a key from bernie sanders, when he
realized he is mathematically barred, he said you know what, i am going to campaign, let voters have their vote, this is about the cause at this point, he acknowledged in so many words he wasn't going to win, that was for betterment of the party. for ted cruz to burn down this party all the way to california, if trump was to win indiana, that would be to me -- >> the difference is you get the sense sanders would probably vote for hillary clinton where ted cruz said he is not voting for donald trump or he would have a hard time voting for somebody -- >> he will lose because of ted cruz if he chooses that path, he will be remembered as the guy that cost the republican party the election. that won't do well.
>> donald trump with negatives through the roof, will never win blue states he claims he will win, new york, he won't win new york in general election. republicans are outnumbered by democrats almost 3-1 there. hillary clinton won twice as many votes as trump did. they think he will win in blue states? absolutely not. he has no chance of making up the ground that he has with women. 74% of women unfavorable toward donald trump. >> but i've got to say haven't people been underestimating donald trump this entire time? donald trump has said things which would have put away other candidates. attacking john mccain early on, talking about i remember erick erickson saying he can count out the evangelical vote. he is winning that evangelical vote. >> the republican primary voters are different than general election voters. that's an important point. there was underestimation by the republican establishment how angry people were with them. at the same time, donald trump got a pass early on from conservative media and others for a lot of other -- >> what do you want to hear
senator sanders in terms of tone toward secretary clinton? >> i think he always had a very positive campaign. maybe hasn't been portrayed that way, talked about his record versus her record. >> talking about speeches. >> i think he does. i think that the democratic voters, and progressives care overwhelmingly about transparency in politics, they care about campaign finance reform. the dark money that follows hillary clinton's campaign, i mean, you roll your eyes, but it is true. four super pacs, corrupt record, funneling money -- >> you want him to keep focusing on it. >> i think it is important an important for hillary clinton to address those issues. especially one more note, about hitting the 2383 pledge delegate mark. we keep talking like she's going to get there, but they're tied in california. that's 475 pledge delegates. >> if that language continues, what does the clinton campaign do. >> i don't believe that language will continue from senator sanders. i believe senator sanders
understands what's at stake. he has done an amazing job raising really important issues, getting them focused on in a way we haven't seen in maybe forever, in a really long time. i believe he's going to do the right thing, which is keep hammering at the issues and transition into full support of secretary clinton so we can win the white house, but make no mistake, if there was any hesitation about that, donald trump cleared it up with his woman card comment. that was outrageous. i would dare donald trump to walk around in america for a day with a woman's card in his pocket. he would make less money, more likely to be a victim of domestic violence, more likely to end up homeless. he has no idea how hard it is to be a woman in america. he should apologize to all of the women in america for that. >> it is an insult to first generation of feminists that fought the battles to get us where we are. we are equal with men.
>> are you out of your mind? >> i am equal with men, my colleagues feel equal with men. it is a naive narrative to say women are held back, we are not on par with men, fighting battles our foremothers fought for us. that's delegitimizing. >> it doesn't. the reality of poverty in america is poor families are headed by single women, period. >> that's why $15 minimum wage is important. hillary clinton supports $12 minimum wage. >> women are paid less than men. it is true. african-american women and latinos are paid less. than white women. saying the reality is not to say we're weak, it is in fact to say we're strong and won't be duped by people telling us it is a cake walk. i have been a candidate as a woman, and the woman card, it gets you called bad names, it gets you commented on your looks, your weight, your hair, your clothes, everything.
it is no cake walk either. >> there are more women graduating from college than men. when you account for differences, women that decide to stay home for maternity leave, women are making the same as men. >> they're held back. >> okay. let's get back to hillary and bernie. one area there are qualities, they have been tough at each other, i don't think think its positive here and positive there. no one knows better how painful a moment it is for bernie sanders and hillary clinton. she went through it eight years ago. it is a difficult time. bernie sanders said today for the first time he acknowledged he has a narrow path to the nomination. this is a very sort of hard thing for him to go through, the scaling down the campaign. i think to some extent this is a day we're seeing a major shift in both political parties,
especially on the democratic side. >> and cruz, too, this is just as difficult for ted cruz. he put carly fiorina there on his ticket because it is his last shot. >> more ahead. up next, senator cruz has no mathematical path to win the delegates needed before the convention. he has a running mate, the strategy there. we will look at that. and later, dennis hastert was sentenced to prison time after being accused of sexually accusing young boys when he was a wrestling coach. he is a serial child predator. it hasn't gotten focus it deserves. charges that led to the sentence, and what hastert has said and hasn't owned up to. be right back. what's up? ♪ ♪ ♪
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despite big losses last night, no mathematical way to win before the convention. ted cruz announced in indianapolis that carly fiorina is his running mate. there was a light hearted moment we want to share with you. fiorina talked about spending more time with the cruz family on the campaign trail, was inspired to break into song about cruz's daughters. ♪ i know two girls that i just adore. i know i can see them more ♪ cause we travel on the bus all day, we get to play, we get to
numbers in three way races. and ted cruz and donald trump have a major problem now, their unfavorable numbers. donald trump is trying to start addressing that, trying to look like a policy guy, and ted cruz sort of bringing on carly fiorina, singing, talking about what a lot of fun ted was. this is a guy you want to hang out with, saying some charming things about his family, his wife heidi. really trying to give a warm embrace to the guy. that's something that running mates tend to do, draw out another side. >> usually running mates are supposed to complement, give something the candidate may not have or a state the candidate can't reach. >> right. >> does carly fiorina really come with that? >> no, i think she just channels ted cruz politically in many ways, she can humanize him, and usually the role of the vice president is to bring something to the table. >> attack dog. >> attack dog, which by the way carly fiorina excels at. she was great in these debates. she can take on donald trump, she can take on hillary clinton. she has really shown that. she is not going to bring him california, may bring him a congressional district here or there. she is not going to bring him
indiana, but they can divide and conquer, she's a great surrogate, go on the campaign trail. if i were on team cruz, i would say what have we got to lose. >> patrick mentioned last hour, some of his colleagues at "the new york times" looked at the cruz campaign doing surveys about what impact carly fiorina would have on the campaign. it is a small boost in indiana. >> yeah, it is negligible at best. it won't help him in the polls. i agree she brings a lot to the table, she's a great candidate, a great surrogate, but this was a desperate move. when states are taken down, and nothing is left, you have to pull out everything you can. >> i want to talk about what she said about cruz in january when she was in the race. >> i would say that ted cruz is just like any other politician, he says one thing in manhattan, says another thing in iowa, says whatever he needs to say to get elected, then he is going to do as he pleases. i think the american people are tired of the political class that promises much and delivers much of the same. >> this thing happens once a vice president is picked, they have a record of saying things against the person they have run against. >> that's true. this is not the first time in presidential history that's happened, but she just kind of described exactly what she did in a criticism of him, here she is having spent a long time criticizing him, calling him
out, calling him the same old same old politician, now she's singing lullabies to his children. seems like the ultimate turnaround there. i think one of the things that people liked about her, she seems like not from a typical political background. i think this will raise questions about that. >> i mean chris christie said things about donald trump, so did ben carson. anybody remembers what the race between bush, george h.w. bush and reagan, everyone knows how bitter that was. i know that's not necessarily going to matter. >> still fun to look at. >> barack obama, she will say and do anything to get elected. >> i think this is premature before indiana. has he a pathway to the convention. we had ten contested conventions
in the republican party, seven of which came out with people who weren't frontrunners going into it. everyone is freaking out here, saying that oh, cruz is desperate. no, this is a politically strategic move to prepare himself for contested convention. if donald trump does not win indiana, which it is possible he will not, he would have to win 70% of delegates in california. ted cruz will do well in may in other places. it is 1237. he is not the presumptive nominee until he reaches 1237, like you're not the presumptive super bowl champion until the end of the game. just because you're winning in the fourth quarter doesn't mean you win. >> take a break here. donald trump slamming hillary clinton for playing the quote, unquote woman's card. is that a strategy he is going to regret? more on that ahead.
donald trump using an attack he used before on hillary clinton, the question is could it back fire. gender is a tricky issue for mr. trump. dana bash has the latest. >> reporter: riding high, eager to turn toward the general election. >> she's playing the woman card left and right. >> reporter: donald trump is unveiling a page from his play book against the democratic frontrunner, designed of course to get people talking. >> frankly if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she would get 5% of the vote. >> reporter: hillary clinton's campaign clearly sees it as a political gift, trying to raise campaign cash off trump's woman car comment with this new e-mail saying hillary clinton has won more than 12 million votes, 2 million more than trump because she has the best vision for the country, the chops to get the job done, and an incredible team fighting alongside her. and incorporating it into her stump speech. >> if fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal play is playing the woman card, then deal me in!
>> reporter: when she ran in 2008, clinton didn't play up the fact she would be the first female president until it was too
late. >> although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you it's got about 18 million cracks in it. >> reporter: this time she's leaning in more. >> i'm not asking people to vote for me simply because i'm a woman. i'm asking people to vote for me on the merits. and i think one of the merits is i am a woman. >> reporter: despite that, hillary clinton has some work to do with female voters. half of women view her unfavorably. that's good compared to what they think of donald trump. 73%, nearly three-quarters of female voters have unfavorable view of him. in a head to head matchup, clinton crushes trump with female voters, 60% to 33%.
why a chief republican worry about trump is that he'll turn off women at the polls. >> i think the only card she has is the woman's card, she has nothing else going. >> reporter: why chris christie's wife may be no fan of hillary, her side eyed glance went viral when he said this. >> the only thing she has going is the woman's card, and the beautiful thing is women don't like her. >> reporter: clinton supporters flocked to her defense
noting she's the most experienced person to run for president, man or woman for some time, while trump boasts about his experience as a businessman where he says he promoted women. it is clear gender politics will be front and center in any clinton trump matchup, both see it as a political advantage. anderson? >> dana, thanks very much. a lot to discuss with the pan
joining the conversation, rick lazio who ran against her. does it play to both advantages, in the primary election? donald trump to his supporters, hillary clinton to hers? >> i'm not sure it plays to the broader base obviously or the general election, but clearly for hillary, she can take advantage of some of these comments. for trump to make progress, he needs to talk about quality of life issues, small businesses. there are 7.8 million small businesses that are owned by women. he has a business background.
he ought to be using that to try to have them -- this has been the worst few years under this administration for small businesses. there are more small businesses failing than are being created for the first time in 30 years. trump ought to be talking about that. talk about affordable housing and stable situations. >> not the gender. >> i think he ought to get to the issues to connect with women. they worry about jobs, they worry about their income, they worry about their small business, they worry about choice in education, they worry about the economy and worry about security. many of those are issues men care about, too. focus on them, he will be able to do what 31 republican governors have been able to do, attract women and win the election. >> christine, long term, does it help hillary clinton? >> first of all, i think it only feeds into the things that donald trump has already said disparagingly about women. it just solidifies the negative view he appears to have of women. i think anything that focuses voters on how qualified hillary clinton is, and donald trump set the gender issue aside for a second, in saying that basically said she has no qualifications. she has no experience. that comment makes you realize how much experience she has, how much more prepared she is to be president of the united states
than he is. that helps her significantly because what you want in a president is somebody who can be president, and all donald trump does every day is remind us he can't and shouldn't be. >> the thing with donald trump is he is going to insult hillary clinton if she's a woman just as he insults every other person he runs against. it is interesting to me because yesterday it was -- >> what his wife said. >> how kasich eats a pancake, or he just does it to everybody. my question is, you ran against hillary clinton. >> i remember. >> and the question is can you run against hillary clinton that way? will he be able to succeed with his insults if they're not directed toward her femininity but just directed toward her policies.
>> is there such a thing as a woman's card, congressman? >> i think there are certain advantages, i think hillary clinton knows what they are, her and her team will exploit them if there's an opportunity if trump or cruz give them an opportunity, i think they'll be effective at exploiting that. i would say, though, to your point that he does sort of dis people. i think if he is a candidate, he will be quite bold and will be confrontational, will call her out on other things other candidates might be afraid to say which could be effective. >> you have run for office, is there a woman's card? are there advantages? >> i think it is odd to say she's going to exploit being a woman. she is a woman. do you exploit being a man? you are a man. when she talks about her life as
exploiting it. if she doesn't talk about personal experiences, she's said to be inauthentic, trying to craft an image. she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. there's without a doubt, it is not just about her, for women in politics and maybe women in all kind of executive positions or attempts to get there, a double standard. that reality is one you fight against and you overcome and work against and we are changing, but you can't pretend it is not the reality. if you pretend it is not the reality, you're not accepting it and not getting over the reality. >> there's a double standard for women in news. a news caster, a guy, can be gray hair and, you know, no one is commenting too much on how much he let's himself go whereas
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donald trump got in front of a dreaded teleprompter, gave a long foreign policy speech. >> we will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism. the nation state remains. the true foundation for happiness and harmony. i am skeptical of international unions that tie us up and bring america down. >> mr. trump also bashed the obama administration action in libya, slamming hillary clinton who was secretary of state at the time. kyra phillips joins me now. you had exclusive interview with one of trump's national policy advisers. what did he have to say?
>> i first met him in iraq, his entire career overseas, seeing 90 countries. military leader, naval engineer, business man. he knows how to deal with the unpredictable, whether it is torture, going to war, or defending our allies, he says that donald trump is unpredictable and it's okay. so if japan and south korea could not defend themselves. >> right. >> and north korea did come after them, would the u.s. step in? >> i think as the general said, our strategy will be classified, as mr. trump said, our response would be unpredictable. they would have to work that calculus themselves. i don't think anybody will telegraph that. >> from your experience in the region, what you know. you have been to the dmz, you know about the cat and mouse game that takes place. >> right. right. >> what would you advise?
>> my advice would be classified and i would agree with being unpredictable at this point. >> is this just campaign rhetoric though? a lot of people say look, you have to let allies know if you have their back, if you are going to support them. >> let's put it this way. people are paying so much attention to trump because of that unpredictability and that provocative speech, anderson. it is not only creating debate, it is meant to shake up the foreign policy establishment. do you think he honestly believes in everything that he's saying or is some of this for show? >> i can't say it's for show, but if you look at the politics are getting elected, there's an awful lot of drama in that act going back through our history, so when you talk about do you mean everything you say, you're talking about issues. you're trying to crack into a shell of common speak to bring up topics that are taboo, to do that you have to be kind of brusque and he is doing that, and under that is concern for
america and for the direction he sees america heading which may be the wrong direction and wants to basically put it on the right direction. underlying all of the brusqueness is a deep love of america and deep respect for the american people and desire to set policies that will make america first. >> and anderson, trump also said today if he's elected president that isis will be gone, and when i asked admiral cubic how trump would do that, cubic's simple answer, because he's donald trump. >> kyra phillips, thanks very much. calling dennis hastert a serial child molester, the defendant speaking, and what he admitted to is making headlines. what he didn't say in apologizing is incredible as well. the question is did the punishment he received fit the crime.
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prescription opioid medication was found on his person and in his home. an autopsy was performed last week. the results, including toxicology reports, are not in yet. now to dennis hastert, once second in line to the presidency, he got a grilling from a federal judge who called the longest serving house speaker a serial child molester. the 74-year-old who appeared in court in a wheelchair admitted abusing boys while a high school coach years ago. the words he used were surprising. prosecutors hastert ultimately pleaded guilty to breaking banking laws to pay out more than $1 million as hush money to a victim. he learned his sentence, 15 months in prison. joining me is our senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. i'm really fascinated by the story and just horrified by it. it seems to have gotten very
little attention. he was one of the most powerful men in washington, lived a life of hypocrisy his whole life, he was a child predator and he only gets 15 months. it seems unbelievably short for a guy who molested children. >> this story is extraordinary. this man was second in line to the presidency. he was just behind the vice president and he received nothing but glowing press virtually his whole career about what a wonderful coach he had been. his nickname even in the house of representatives was coach. this was something he -- this was the core of his identity, and he was a serial child molester. it's an incredible failure of law enforcement, it's a failure of politics, it's a failure of
journalism, those of us who covered him, who didn't discover this. i find this story amazingly shocking. >> and he got away with it. he got away with it because the statute of limitations has run its course. even his supposed apology today, all he really said that was he'd hurt, that was a quote, he mistreated and mislead these kids. he did a hell of a lot more than misled them. he never stood up and said i molested these children. >> child molests is a life-long affliction for the victims. >> it's incredible he's never had to stand up and go into detail about exactly what he did and admit it. it seems like it's all being swept under the rug.
>> in fairness to the prosecutors here, they did prosecute him for the only thing they could prosecute him for, which is this very bizarre series of payments that he made to one of his victims where he withdrew more than $10,000 in cash at a time without filing -- or he structured his withdrawals so that he wouldn't have to file currency transaction reports. if he had not done that, if he had simply been a child molester who had then continued to go about his business, none of this would have come to light and he wouldn't have punished at all. >> the other hypocrisy here are all the letters of support pleading from leniency from a whole host of people, law enforcement people, former house majority leader tom delay had the nerve to write "he doesn't deserve what he's going through." what he's going through? i'm really flabbergasted by this. >> that's why this story has not
received the attention it deserved, because of the hypocrisy of his life, of how privileged people who commit crimes like a former speaker of the house are treated differently. >> if history remembers him at all, dennis hastert should be remembered as serial child molester as far as i'm concerned. >> they have taken down his portrait at the capitol, but he deserves more than that.
and that's it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. this is "cnn tonight." we do have some breaking news to start this broadcast tonight on the prince investigation. a law enforcement official is telling cnn that local authorities found prescription opiate medication on prince and in his home. on prince and in his home. our dr. drew is going to join us a little bit later on in the broadcast, but i want to begin with cnn's evan perez now, who has more. evan, the breaking news tonight on this prince investigation. what are your sources telling you? >> reporter: well, don --