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this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. and donald trump is speaking right now in california. let's listen in. >> by the way, kasich, who voted in favor of nafta while he was in college which has destroyed everything and we're not going to let them vote for the transpacific partnership. we will get wiped out if they do
that. we're not going to let it happen. so what happens is this. cruz gets killed. kasich gets killed. so now these guys have been doing this all their life. i've barely been doing it for nine months, right, and they have to double-team me. they have to double-team me. you know, we have low-energy jeb bush and i was going to be nice to jeb but i saw he was interviewed today by somebody at nbc and he said bad things. he said, he is not a conservative. give me a break. he is not a conservative. i am actually a conservative but i'm like smart, too, where we have all of this stuff, it's like -- you know, i was going to be nice to him because i like a lot of the people that have disappeared one after another. it's a beautiful sight. boom, boom, boom. and i was nice to jeb bush after he got defeated i was nice. but here's what happens.
so i hear he's interviewed today. i say, do me a favor. it's amazing what they can do. they have this thing two seconds later, they give me a copy of their interview. i say, let me know. i've got it. 11 seconds later. he's got a machine giving me the whole interview. what would you like, he presses trump and it goes right to that section and he starts saying to me -- he did say, is he a gifted, gifted politician. he did say that a while ago. and my wife said, why would he say that? i shouldn't tell you this. maybe he's not so smart. why would you say that, right? but he hits me today so i feel fine. he's a low-energy person. we don't need low-energy people. just remember that. we need high energy. we need strength. you know, hillary -- hillary, crooked hillary, right? she's crooked as you can be. crooked hillary.
crooked hillary, she said very strongly i don't like the tone of donald trump. the tone. now, she there's shouting all night long reading off teleprompters. she won the other night. i'm sort of glad she won. i really want to beat her more than sanders. and you know, the system is rigged on both sides. it's rigged on our side. i have 5 million -- i have so many votes more than like cruz and kasich and yet, you know, they go in and sort of semibribe all of these people and the delegates and all of a sudden -- it's a terrible system. i mean, it's a terrible system. but hillary said, i don't like the tone. now, here we are in a world that's going to hell, we have people's heads that are being cut off. not since medieval times, i used to love history.
i loved history. and you'd read about medieval times, right? chop off heads. now we're chopping off heads. i didn't see anything about this. even in the wild west they'd shoot you you about they don't chop off the heads. chop off the heads, drown people in these big cages, 50 at a time, drop and she said i don't like his tone. his tone is nasty. folks, folks -- we need a tough tone, folks. we need a tough tone. we need a tough tone. believe me. believe me. for a while, we're going to need it. you know, when they talked to lyin ted, i've been at the center of every single debate, number one. number one. according to all of the polls -- >> all right. that's donald trump in costa mesa, california, and speaking there at a rally. he says, you know, the media never shows the crowds. a big crowd for donald trump that are turning out for him.
donald trump mentioning an interview with jeb bush. he said it was nbc but actually it was here on cnn, formerly of nbc was jamie gengel. >> you said the race is over. he is the presumptive nominee? >> no, not yet. i'm a ted cruz supporter because i want to support a consistent conservative that can win. i don't think donald trump can beat the democratic nominee. >> do you think there's still a viable stop trump movement? >> my personal opinion is, if trump is the nominee, my views have been pretty consistent about this, we'll lose the senate and we'll lose the presidency in a landslide and our country can't afford that. >> do you think they should get around him? >> i think they should support
ted cruz. >> yesterday ted cruz announced that his vice presidential pick would be carly fiorina. >> yeah. >> was that a hail mary pass? >> picking a candidate that is talented, tough, you know, she takes on trump really well, i think, and she takes on hillary very well as well, someone who has got a proven record and who's been vetted as a candidate, i thought was a smart move by ted cruz. >> do you think it was the right pick? >> yeah. yeah, i did. i'm impressed with her. >> you've said in the past that you didn't think that donald trump was ready to be president. but if he is the nominee, will you support him? >> i don't think he's a serious person. >> you haven't changed your mind? >> no. i've seen nothing -- the recent speech about foreign policy was -- i don't know which donald trump to read, the one that read from a teleprompter a speech that was inside the lines or the
one that wants to build a wall and make mexico pay for it. which donald trump is the one that's expressing these views? there's two of them and i think we need a president with a steady hand. >> it sounds like you won't vote for him. >> i hope i'm not faced with that. >> no. no. a third term of barack obama's hyperaggressive use of executive power to create massive uncertain for our economy. >> let me try it one more time. you're not voting for hillary clinton? >> no way. >> and you don't think republicans should vote for hillary clinton to stop donald trump? >> no. i don't think we should support hillary clinton. >> looking back at the campaign,
how do you feel about how you did, what you did. >> yeah. >> and -- >> i don't think about it too much. i've concluded that whatever mistakes i've made -- and i've certainly made them -- probably wouldn't have changed the outcome. >> what do you think happened? >> it's definitely a crazy year. look, donald trump was -- still is a phenomena. >> if donald trump is the nominee, should the republican party, will you rally around him? >> i am hopeful that he won't be the nominee. >> do you think you'll ever run for politics again? >> who, me? >> yeah. >> i've learned to never say never but this was my chance. this was the chance and i ran into a storm. >> no regrets, though? >> no. none at all. >> and there it is. jamie gengel, what an interview. this is his first since he stopped the race in february. you tried to pin him down if
he'd support donald trump but he wouldn't say. if push comes to shove and donald trump is the nominee, do you think that he's going to give in? >> you know, i -- you saw me try on camera. i asked him off camera. he wouldn't tell me. but look, he really, spoiler alert, jeb bush does not like donald trump. and you've been talking earlier in the program about republicans who may simply sit out this race. i'm just guessing here but i think that, you know, if trump is the nominee, jeb bush could be in that group that sits out. >> oh, really? so i had kayleigh mcenany on who is a trump supporter, she's on cnn all the time, she's a cnn contributor here, she said that she believes that jeb bush left some wiggle room in that and i said, i didn't see any wiggle room. did you? >> no. i heard that earlier.
i don't think there's any wiggle room. look, he waited two months. it's been two months since he lost in south carolina and dropped out of the race. he's waited a long time to break his silence and the reason ice doing it now is one word, indiana. and he's hoping that he may be able to be of some help in encouraging people to vote for ted cruz. they see indiana as the firewall for any hope of getting to a contested convention. that's what today was about. i also think that he was ready to start talking but the timing was, we're five days out from indiana. if there's any hope of a contested convention, this is the week. >> surprising that he said he won't rule out another run for office? >>. >> i was very surprised.
i really was. but he is -- you know, we've talked about him over the years. he's a policy wonk. he would have liked to sit there with me and talk about education and issues. he is going to go back into -- he has an education foundation. he's going to go back into that and be working on that again. >> uh-huh. >> and so i don't know what he had in mind but he hasn't ruled it out. >> any regrets, jamie? >> for him, he said no regrets. that he was glad he did it. i think that he was very honest. he said that he had made mistakes along the way but i thought the word he used was connect. he said he ran into a storm and nobody, none of us expected this year and so he didn't know either but i thought that he was
very reflective about it. >> yeah. jamie, great interview. he said donald trump is a phenomenon. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. always. good to see you. he said donald trump is a phenomenon. phenomenon is speaking there in california. we're going to be back to discuss that with my guests right after this break. i'm terrible at golf. he is. people say i'm getting better. no one's ever said that. but i'd like to keep being terrible at golf for as long as i can. he's just happier when he's playing. but he's terrible. for the strength and energy to keep doing what you love, try new ensure enlive. only patented ensure enlive has hmb, plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle. and its clinically proven formula helps you stay you. oh. nice shot. new ensure enlive. always be you.
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orange county, california, tonight, in costa maesa, california, specifically. joining us is a host in los angeles backing donald trump, lanhee chen, buck sexton, supporti supporting ted cruz. there's a lot to talk about. we have the jeb interview, we have the coach today who endorsed donald trump and the editorial writers of "the indianapolis star" who scathing words for donald trump. they said "a president trump would be a danger to the united states and the world. pretty damning words. first you, john. >> i don't think so. he's leading in the polls in int indiana, a state that ted cruz said is crucial to a contested convention in cleveland.
if you add up ted cruz and john kasich's numbers together, you don't reach where donald trump is. none of the editorial boards like him. i don't think it's going to stop his momentum one bit. >> what about you, buck? >> i don't think it's going to make a bit of a difference. i think ted cruz will come out ahead in indiana largely because it's a replay of what they did in wisconsin which was a very successful formula for them and the most recent serious victory that the cruz campaign has had and there's some demographic similarities in the state and also in terms of organization and getting major figures in the state to come along. i think they are going to get a replay. and the polls show trump ahead and i think that they are close to the margin of error and they are going to get closer as the days go by and they will see cruz eek out a victory but california is going to be its own challenge and i am not as
confident about my prediction for that just yet but i think indiana will go up the cruz camp and i don't think the editorial from "the indianapolis star" is going to make any difference and quite honestly, kasich is your best bet or anything like that, no conservatives, neither trump nor cruz supporters pay -- that's not a ringing endorsement when you say your best bet is, this person doesn't say -- >> exactly. throw up their hands and say, eh, whatever. >> they don't really like anyone because they say it's unfortunate in a nation of 320 million voters, the voters must -- >> you have a constitutional law genius, a billionaire, a woman who is secretary of -- i don't like hillary clinton as a candidate but she's pretty impressive. i don't know. i want to take this up with "the indianapolis tribune." >> but to that point, lanhee,
the only people who have favorable ratings are kasich and sanders. hillary clinton and donald trump have high unfavorable numbers. >> no one hit kasich yet. so his favorables are still pretty high because he's a relatively undefined figure. he's been able to define himself as -- >> there, too, cruz has been attacked by trump and they've attacked each other. hillary's being attacked by everybody and in the public life so that makes sense. i think, don, what you are seeing is this is one of the issues that the anti-trump movement has run into, which is there hasn't been a coalesce sense around a single opponent which has made in difficult for the anti-trump or never trump movement to gain traction. you have cruz, kasich, and although they have their alliance, they have not decided
on a single person. cruz has the likability problem so you run into this where they say we don't want trump but we can't tell you what to be for so i think that ends up being quite problematic. >> are you on track with hillary clinton saying that she's playing the woman card? >> yeah, look, i don't think the general election has even begun yet. he still hasn't locked up the 1,237 delegates and as soon as he starts giving hillary clinton a little tender loving care, i think you're going to see her numbers get taken with a torpedo as well. when he starts going after hillary clinton, the numbers among republican women are going to start to go up. it's not a long-term problem. >> are you okay, though, with this attack on hillary saying that she's playing the woman card? >> yeah. because the recipe for success for democrats has been identity politics. one of the reasons that barack obama won in 2008 and 2012,
there was unbelievable minority turnout. hillary clinton is an old, rich white woman. she's not going to give that level of turnout in 2016 so she needs to try to create it or manufacture enthusiasm with women. >> i think the trump campaign has very useful surrogates, and melania his wife and i think they will be an important part of the messaging, assuming he does win the primary, i am still a ted cruz supporter, by the way, but just to be fair to donald trump and women, i think that you'll see more of that and that's quite likely. >> a need to jump in. >> ivanka is going to jump in on the train. >> i'm never hillary or not never trump but i think that there are some ways that donald will be able to, if he in fact wins a primary, i don't think he will, but if donald wins, there are things that he can do with women, i think. >> he stay with me.
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back with me now, john phillips, lanhee chen and buck sexton. there is donald trump having a big rally in costa mesa. thousands of people have shown up for this rally. you can't deny, i know you're a cruz supporter. you're like, wait a minute, i'm not on the trump train. you can't deny the size of the crowds that turn out for both donald trump and for bernie sanders. >> no. it's the enthusiasm that is obvious, undeniable and also the showmanship and the skills, quite honestly on the stage, really of both of them. they think of bernie sanders as someone earnest in his positions and speaking trut. he has a delivery that adds to his earnest and compelling message, i think and the same thing is true -- well, donald trump is the whole next level when it comes to entertaining.
and it's why he's been able to be a political dine mow and he's thought all of that out and it's because he can stand in front of tens and thousands of people and all they want to do is hear every word out of his mouth, whether it's true or not or good policy, that's where things fall apart for people like me. >> but here you're back in the cruz camp. >> but it is wildly entertaining sometimes. >> john, care to comment? >> check his pockets. i think there's a ticket for the trump train. you know, if you go back into california politics, california is the land of entertainers. we've got all of the a-listers in hollywood, all of the best singers, dancers, actors. for whatever reason, our politicians are really boring. people like kevin mccarthy, it's not -- i can't think of any politician in california that's
been able to draw a crowd of that size except for maybe arnold schwarzenegger. this is something that is really unique to california politics. it's also, i think, worth noting that he's in orange county, which is one of the most conservative counties in california. all we heard all week was, well, he wanted marylanon in maryland, try going to where republicans actually live and winning there or producing huge crowds there. this is where he's at right now, orange county, rock river republicans. this is a very significant evening right now. >> let's talk about the numbers, lanhee. among likely indiana gop primary voters. donald trump, 41%. ted cruz, 33%. if ted cruz loses indiana, toast? >> he is going to be in a very bad place if he loses indiana. there's no question about that. i think the big thing for ted
cruz is can he replicate what happened in wisconsin? there are some reasons to believe that might be the case. you know, there's sort of a sen senseability but however there are reasons to believe there may be more rural voters and into a certain degree you might still have kasich bleed-over from ohio even though they have that alliance now. so it's difficult to say exactly what will happen. i do think that if cruz loses in indiana, he's in a world of hurt in california briefly it will be interesting to listen to two issues. geography of california requires basically that there be five or six separate campaigns waged at once. there's so many different parts of the state that really behave differently and then the demography matters as well.
so it's potential leanne opportunity for cruz and kasich to engage in a delegate acquisition. >> so, buck, is this a lesser of two evils? remember lindsey graham said choosing between trump and cruz is like choosing between a shot or being poisoned. >> well, i definitely don't take my political advice from lindsey graham but i would say that it depends on who you're asking. i mean, if you're asking the gop establishment such as it is, i think very clearly they do view cruz as essentially the more palatable choice right now but the establishment will go wherever it's most likely to win. i think if you're asking cruz supporters, they think he's the most conservative candidate up for office in decades and the conservative base is certainly with him. donald trump has expanded well beyond the conservative base with his voters and people don't describe themselves as conservatives. some haven't even voted in recent elections. it's changed the electoral map.
i think the sweep of all of these blue states in the northeast recently, he's going to lose all of those states to either bernie or hillary clinton. while it's good for the trump campaign in the interim right now that he's going to do well for the purposes of the primary, we should also keep in mind as a general election candidate, i'm sorry to say, he's going to lose california to either hillary or bernie so for those who want to see a republican of some kind in the white house, it's disconcerting. it's not that exciting at a minimum to see him do well. it doesn't really matter in the long term. >> drawing all of these crowds in california or where else? >> northeastern states. >> drawing all of these crowds. let's look at the crowds now. you see the flashing lights there. that's because protesters have spilled out into the streets there. they are blocking traffic. there's no violence right now but, again, these are properties at the donald trump rally in
costa maesa where he's deliverig a speech. protesters have begun to block traffic and police are on the scene. do you think that because people have said it's demographically impossible for donald trump to win, is that underestimating some other factors turning out for hillary clinton, the turnout for other candidates, the enthusiasm on the democratic side and the republican side? >> i think the way that donald trump supporters would say he could win, if ted cruz wins the way he can get the nomination, it's if you have a massive conservative turnout within the base. it's a base election. with donald trump, you have a slightly different phenomenon. you have white, middle and working-class americans who are in a lot of rust belt states or in places where there's some contests between democrats and republicans, it's not clear, they may come out and vote for the first time and have crossovers of democrats who are
blue democrats and us that how he could win at that level but it's tough to engage that at an event. >> thank you, gentlemen. appreciate it. coming up here on cnn, we'll talk democrats. that's donald trump in california and again protesters have spilled out on to the streets blocking traffic. we'll continue to monitor that. we're going to talk about bernie sanders. he says don't count him out. we're going to turn to the democrats, next. the e-class has 11 intelligent driver-assist systems. it recognizes pedestrians and alerts you. warns you about incoming cross-traffic. cameras and radar detect dangers you don't. and it can even stop by itself. so in this crash test, one thing's missing: a crash. the 2016 e-class. now receive up to a $3,000 spring bonus on the e350 sport sedan. don'don't go to la, don't go to tokyo.
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all right. let's discuss the democrats now. cnn political commentator angela rise is here, bob beck kell and bill press, bernie sanders supporter. good evening, everyone. >> good evening. >> good evening, don. >> mr. press, let's take a listen to what donald trump said a few minutes ago. >> oh, boy. oh, boy. >> crooked hillary. she said very strongly, i don't like the tone of donald trump. the tone. now, she's there all night long reading off of teleprompters.
she won the other night. i'm sort of glad she won. i really want to beat her more than sanders. >> so trump has been talking about the woman card, too. and now he says that she is shouting. is he playing fair, do you think, here? >> well, i don't know whether he's playing sane when you talk about donald trump. >> is he playing with fire? >> yeah. look, i think he is. i don't know how you can expect to win the nomination but maybe but not the presidency by attacking 53% of american voters, namely, american women. and i just think this has gone down the wrong track. i'm sure republicans are just having a fit every time they hear this guy who's their presumptive nominee. >> but is it fair -- >> going into this one feminist attack after another. >> is it fair to say he's attacking women because jeb bush was low energy, because he is
lying ted and then now she is -- >> crooked hillary. >> crooked hillary. what's the difference between the way he's attacking his male counterparts and he's attacking hillary clinton? >> because he's talking about her shouting and her tone and very clearly sexist attacks on hillary clinton and i don't think they are going to work. >> do you agree with that, angela? >> here's the thing. he blatantly called it playing the women card and everyone else sees it is an attack and to the point where hillary clinton's campaign has offered supporters an actual card. deal me in. she used some great lines to respond to donald trump. i'm ready for a t-shirt. right? it's like, seriously, if you're saying that -- she's playing the
woman card, she's not playing the women's card. she's playing history. that's what this is. >> mr. beckel? >> if you listen to trump and did you notice that he said anything about a policy difference between him and hillary? no. he went after her personally. and i noticed that the last segment they talked about blue collar democrats, reagan democrats. first of all, let me try to give you a little education. there are not enough of them to elect donald trump dog catcher. and in terms of enthusiasm, all you've got to do is say trump. that's all the enthusiasm you need. >> bob, do you remember when the numbers started coming in in what happened? right? you don't think that you may be in for some of that this time? are you and hillary clinton a
little overconfident? >> no. i was a little overconfident when i was at the white house but this case, no. i mean, this guy -- you've got to be kidding me. he's in orange county, california. he's got that big crowd. big deal. they are all going to get ready to get on the -- >> it will never happen. he'll be out by september. he'll be out by the fall. he'll be out by december. he's still here. >> but you know what, don, the exit polls from the election night just a couple days ago showed that democrats have quite an enthusiasm, there was a gap and now there's quite a bit of enthusiasm on the democratic side. >> don, i just want to point out that, listen, in 2012, the people overconfident were the mitt romney people. they thought they were going to win. >> yeah, they did. >> all those guys told me they thought they were going to win. they were so dead wrong. i think democrats could make a
mistake in taking donald trump for granted and underestimating him, which is why i think they've got to expose him from the very beginning the way the republicans did not and if they do that, we're going to be fine. >> but they are going to do that -- he's done that to himself. he exposed himself. this is not a tough opposition research job in front of us here. you know, the fact of the matter is, donald trump has not yet stepped into the arena of national politics or the presidential level of people and they take their vote seriously. i think he's just going to get absolutely -- now, you say am i going too far on the limb? i believe hillary clinton can beat her from a super match jail. >> the only thing is, donald trump, we don't know what donald trump is going to show up. >> >> donald trump is showing up
in a new form. we don't know what donald trump we're going to get. he's remaking himself literally before our eyes. we can't count that out. literally, the clip that you played, don, he said, have you seen hillary clinton? dude, you just used a teleprompter earlier today. he's still reinventing himself. >> i do have to say, when i watched, donald trump was not the donald trump that you see tonight. is he still speaking? i'm not sure. the one that you see on stage tonight, he's still going. with the teleprompter, he was a different guy. >> that's right. >> i love it when people say, you know, reading a teleprompter is not that easy. >> it's not. >> well, you proved it is. but, look. >> bob, this shows that it gives
hillary clinton a double-digit lead over him in -- it's the first thing if you guys see it. but -- there it is. right there. it gives her a double-digit lead. still, come on, 50 to 39% is not that big of a deal. underestimating donald trump, he keeps reinventing himself. >> he can't reinvent himself. he's got 69 years of history and it's all bad. >> we have talked about his history and the bad things that he did with his father and we've gone through all of that. these folks ignore it. >> these folks ignore it. these people in that crowd. don't forget his grandfather used to run hookers. that was okay. >> oh, my gosh. >> listen, i want to go back and maybe the skunk at the lawn party here. i'm telling you, this is an anti
establishment, anti-politician usual near and donald trump has an appeal among those working-class americans. they don't care about the policies. they just like the fact that he takes people on, that he's different, that he's an outsider. i was talking to bob earlier, i had lunch with a group of union presidents of major labor unions yesterday. they are worried about their members that are telling them they like donald trump. and they like him because he's opposed to the trade deals. he says he's for jobs. it's all bs but there's a certain appeal we've got to be careful of. it's a small sliver of the american electorate. >> all right, bob, the hooker's thing, come on. >> it's true. his grandfather did. it was fine. i don't have any problem with that. >> oh, lord. >> listen, i promise you when we come back, we're going to talk about bernie sanders again. don't count him out just yet he said. we'll be right back. on your air.
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we'll continue to monitor those pictures and the situation there in costa mesa, california, and bring you any updates as we get them. back with me now, angela rye, book beckel and bill press. someone asked me what it was and i said the shade. the shaded name. >> that's a new one. shield. >> like an eclipse. >> let's move on and talk now about bernie sanders. bill, bernie sanders may be down but he's not out. reports show his team is spending more than a million dollars for campaign ads despite laying people off. the clinton campaign isn't spending a cent. is bernie sanders going to pull out some wins in the coming weeks, do you think? >> sure he will. when he says he's not out, look, he knows there's a slim to none chance he's going to be the nominee of the party but he wants the primaries to continue and they will, just like they did under hillary clinton wanted them to in 2008 for a couple of reasons. one, so that everybody in every
state can get to vote. former democratic chair of california, you know, the california primary since 1968, we want the california primary to have a chance to choose between these two candidates and the other thing that bernie is really interested in, he wants to shape the platform, shape the agenda and shape the democratic party. so to that extent, he's going to stay in there. the more delegates he gets, the more power he's going to have to accomplish those other goals. >> bob beckel? >> in 1984 it was walter mondale and the fact is i said here on this show monday night, brilliantly, i might ad, that there are four or five things they'd like to see done, some that hillary clinton can accept and some she can't accept, particularly trade deals. and so the question is, as you
get out to the floor and be a fight, i think it does. it doesn't take that much with that many delegates to get you out to the floor and doesn't really matter. it does. because the republicans will take it and they will try to drive the democrats that much farther left. so there will be -- it will be significant. i wouldn't underestimate it at all. >> i've got to ask you, angela, how does he leverage these potential wins that bill's talking about. >> i think there's one thing. he's already shaped a lot of this agenda. vermont is now having automatic voter registration. the second thing is, he has former staff that has launched a pact called brand-new congress designed to go straight to the 2018 midterms and focus on reshaping the face of congress to ensure that there are policy makers that sound and act a lot more like bernie sanders. i think those are two major wins
that go to the heart of what bob and bill mentioned about shaping the democratic agenda going forward. not for just even this particular presidential cycle. >> hold up, bob. bernie sanders is talking about shaping the agenda. he says he's out to do more than just influence the democratic platform. he wants to transform the entire democratic process. this was in oregon earlier today. listen. >> now, our job is not just to revitalize the democratic party not only to open the doors to young people and working people, our job is to revitalize american democracy. >> so a key step in his revitalization plan is open primaries. is this something that party leaders are going to be open to? >> i don't think this is the place or the time to be doing that these kinds of debates. the money he talks about is
really a legislative issue and supreme court issue. look, you say what ind coukind leverage he is going to have? a lot of hillary clinton supporters will go with him on that party platform. i would not assume that clinton's delegates are going to be with her on the lat foplatfo >> when bernie talks about in every speech a political revolution, he's serious about that. he means shaking up the democratic party. he's going to want to have a lot to say about -- >> is now the time to do that, though? >> yes. yes. yes. you know why? we're holding up the delegates. he'll never have the power that he'll have when he goes into that convention with 1500 delegates or whatever. >> so he needs to -- okay. i get you. but how much power, again, is he going to have at the convention to influence the platform? right now between now and the convention, is this as much power as he will ever have if he
doesn't become the nominee even when he goes back to the senate? is that what you're saying? >> i'm telling you a quick story. my first campaign was jerry brown for president in 1976. he didn't bow out until the convention. he went into the convention with 301 delegates. bernie sanders will go to that convention with over 1500. he can have the most influence on the party right now. >> with 1600 delegates, you're going to win party platform fights. you just are. >> yeah. >> okay. so listen, assuming that hillary clinton is going to be the nominee, let's just assume if you look at the math and i have less than a minute, at what point does sanders throw in his support behind hillary clinton? will he ever? >> it has to be at the convention. the one thing we have to pay attention to is the fact that he's laid out 225 people. the more moves like that that bernie sanders makes, the less influence he has. that's just the facts. it's going to be very, very challenging for him to win any of the other upcoming primaries
and darn near impossible to get her on the map. he has to start influencing it right now. >> that's it. i can't let anybody else in, bob. i'm sorry. >> what? >> i'm sorry, guys. thank you. i appreciate it. you don't want to go to break or talk about the protesters? there are protesters out in the streets of costa mesa, california, blocking traffic. you can see the police on the scene. we'll watch this and update. we'll be right back.
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