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can cruz stay viable? hillary clinton's camp the hand she is dealt. woman card, what do republicans think. >> the assertion that she has 5% of the population is ridiculous. who does he think the rest of the supporter also go for. him? >> i still believe he is still playing the theatrical card. >> let's talk, live in the cnn newsroom. and good morning, i am carol costello, thank you for joining me. donald trump in california. the primary battle ground looming on the horizon, but street fights erupt outside. a standing room only crowd, pours out of the event and into the rath of protesters. police on horseback and in riot gear try to break it up,
vandalism and arrests and emotions boil over. phil mattingly has more. good morning. >> good morn, carol. something largely dissipated over the last couple of weeks, violence and protests, but they've been concerned about over the past couple of months. what happens when you get to california, a very large, politically complex state, with a lot of focus and emotion on donald trump's central element of his campaign, immigration. obviously had a lot of fired up supporters inside his rally last night. but no question, very raucous protesters on the outside. >> chaos, breaking out, outside of a donald trump rally last night. with hundreds of protesters taking to the streets, clashing with drivers, smashing with indoi in -- windows, facing out with trump supporters. this fight leaving this trump fan bloodied and bandaged.
>> get down. >> police on horseback, struggling to contain the demonstrators. >> we're going to win, win, win. >> inside, donald trump riling up a massive crowd. >> look at the size of this place. >> taking aim at his rivals. >> lyin' ted cruz, we know lyin' ted, right. >> she is crooked as you could be. crooked hillary. have you ever seen a guy eat like him. >> and keeping his eye on next tuesday's high stakes primary, in indiana. >> the big poll is going to be on tuesday in indiana. but i was all over the state today with bobby knight, and i love bobby knight, and they love bobby knight, and let's see what happens. >> indiana's biggest paper blasting trump on thursday. calling him, quote, a danger to the united states, and to the world. >> whatever is necessary.
>> as millions, ted cruz mincing no words. >> common sense and good judgment. hoosier state, the one thing that stands between us and plunging over the cliff. >> even as top gop figures start warming to the idea of trump as the nominee. >> generally speaking, i like what he had to say. >> this, as former house speaker john boehner condemned the main rival, ted cruz had a college forum with the harshest words yet. >> lucifer in the flesh. i get along with almost everybody. but i have never worked with a more miserable son of a [ bleeping ]. >> cruz, firing back, using boehner's disdain to try to bolster his case. >> if you're happy with john boehner, speaker of the house, you want a president like john boehner, donald trump is your man. >> carol, for ted cruz and his campaign, indiana really a make-or-break state.
they're moving there, camping out over the next couple of days, attempting to spin john boehner's worlds to their advantage. look at this, basically is the republican establishment attacking ted cruz. something that at least what we've seen in the republican primary, electorate up to this point, should serve as an advantage to use that with carly fiorina, potential running mate, they believe they have an opportunity to close what has become a small gap in the state. still, as you look at the delegate totals, a lot of ground to make up. indiana the first step. if the step isn't taken, donald trump has a clear path to the nomination, carol. >> phil, reporting living this morning. thank you. jeb bush breaking his silence for the first time since dropping out of the presidential race, and speaking exclusively to cnn's jamie gangel. calling for a contested convention with ted cruz as the victor and warning his fellow republicans about donald trump. >> i don't think he is a serious person. >> you haven't changed your
mind? >> no, i've seen nothing, the speech, you know, recent speech about foreign policy was -- you can't -- i don't know which donald trump to believe, the one that read from a teleprompter, a speech that was inside the lines, or the one that wants to build a wall and make mexico pay for it. or a 45% tariff on china, or abandoning nato, or saying it's, you know, it would be a smart thoing have japan and korea go it alone and build their nuclear capability to deal with china. which donald trump is the one that's expressing these views? there is two of them. and i think we need a president with a steady hand. >> it sounds like you wouldn't vote for him. >> i hope i won't have to be faced with that dilemma. until i am, i'm not even going to think about it. >> bush was also remarkably candid about what went wrong in the 2016 race, and whether he would run again.
>> wow, i mean, i don't think about it too much. i've concluded that whatever mistakes i made, and i certainly made them, probably wouldn't have changed the outcome. >> do you think you'll ever run for politics again? >> who me? i've learned to never say never, but you know, this was my chance. this was the chance, and i ran into a storm. >> so let's talk about all of this with scottie hughes. she is the national political for radio networks and surrogate for the trump campaign, along with georgia republican congressman and ted cruz supporter, bob barr, welcome to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. scottie, let's start with you. we'll get to bush's comments in a minute. let's talk about the violence at the trump rally. there were police helicopters, cops on horseback. they were trying in vein to keep trump for teres and supporters separated. if he is elected president, he will have to unite the country. in light of what we saw last
night, can he possibly do that? >> oh, absolutely. here is the thing. last night was very disappointing to watch the footage of. you have to remember, it's not the trump protesters jumping on the police cars, not showing respect, and starting these fights. trump supporters are going into these rallies, 30,000 of them in cosa mesa california, somebody they want to vote for for president. they want to be part of the political process. in turn, they're getting intimidated, they're getting these threats of violence. what we saw last night, the chaos come against them. they are the victims in this case, not playing the victim card -- >> but scottie, you are playing the victim card. this doesn't happen at other large rallies for other political candidates. why does it happen at trump rallies. >> why are we demonizing the trump rallies. >> no matter if they disagree
with him or not -- >> you have channece, for as ma protesters, violent, disrespectful, there were 30,000, ten times that number on the inside that were wanting to be apart of the process, peaceful people, who love -- >> i don't think there was 30,000 inside the room. >> according to mr. trump, 30,000 people attended the rally last night. you have to say, tens of thousands, have attended the rallies across the united states, that are motivated because of the words and honesty out of mr. trump and a trump administration. we should not continue the this, when the crimes being committed last night outside. that's being committed against the trump supporters. that should not be tolerated. >> that's a sure thing. bob, what are your feelings about this? >> it is a real shame when we see violence erupting at a political rally for whatever candidate. the fact of the matter is, that
mr. trump is anything about a uniter. even last night, he simply cannot behave magnamously. he is operating a fantasy world, his supporters, you just heard one, he is going to unite the country. obviously, he is not. now, mr. trump can go around and dance around and say you know, i'm the presumptive nominee or i'm the king of switzerland. saying it so, doesn't make it. there are a lot of people attending the voting booth and the conventions in california and indiana who doesn't subscribe from the shoot from the hib procedure that mr. trump portrays. they want somebody who is actually understands international affairs, who understands the economic issues this country is facing, who doesn't insult people, and who
comes up with constructive solutions, which is exactly what senator cruz and carly fiorina are bringing to the people. >> well, along those lines, bob, i want to pose this next question to you as well. winning indiana is crucial to ted cruz, but sources are telling us internal polling shows cruz now trailing in indiana by 8 to 10 points. some say john boehner put his finger on why when he called ted cruz lucifer. why is ted cruz losing ground in indiana, bob? >> we don't think that he is. these polls in every state leading up to and sometimes the very day of the primary are way off. what ted cruz is doing with now carly fiorina as part of the team is working the ground game. the grassroots. not worrying about huge rallies, but going before the actual people who will be voting, and the internal polling that i've been privy to is very different. is it going to be close?
yes, it's going to be close. but we believe strongly based on the real numbers that senator cruz and carly fiorina will win in indiana. and then move on to california, where there are dozens and dozens of delegates, very much up for grabs. >> scottie how do you see it? >> it's funny he talks about delegates. it is a corrupt system, a rigged system. congressman barr, aren't you a delegate to the convention this year? >> yes, i've already getting nasty calls from your trump supporters. >> are you going as a cruz delegate. >> sure i am, i am a strong supporter of senator cruz. >> that's the thing. who won the state of georgia overwhelmingly. >> the fact of the matter is, the georgia delegation will vote for mr. trump on the first ballot, which is according to the law. now, you only -- >> that's includes you, correct? >> the fact of the matter is, the laws in each state provide for delegates to vote on the first ballot at least for the winner of the primary. that will happen. >> so that means you're actually
going to vote for mr. trump on the first ballot because that's what the -- >> you don't understand the process. >> no, i do understand the process. >> you don't. >> i do understand the process. >> you don't vote per se for a delegate. it is the delegation at large that does. after the first ballot, i intend to vote for senator cruz. >> after the -- >> i have to leave it there. thanks for doing the work for me. i appreciate that. thank you. scottie and bob, thank you so much. still to come, you've heard him say is it before. donald trump loves and cherishes women, but do they love him back? up next, cnn sits down with a group of republican women voters to find out. >> when i say donald trump, what's the first word that comes to mind. >> powerful. >> scary. >> danger are us. >> no way. >> divisive. you know when i first started out,
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hillary clinton to a take the stage in new york city. gearing up to deliver the keynote address at an awards breakfast for inner city kids after a two daybreak from the campaign trail. one of the questions, will she take aim at mr. trump after his repeated attacks that she is playing the quote, woman card. those comments a fierce backlash, but republican women as well. cnn randi kaye sat down with a group of con certificate testify women in indiana. >> that's insulting, regardless of how you feel about hillary clinton to imply that her background as a u.s. senator and secretary of state give her zero qualifications. and trump's assertion that only hillary would only have the support of 5% of the population is ridiculous. who does he think the rest of her supporters would go for? him? >> i don't think the comments are helpful to him or his campaign. however, i still believe he is still playing the theatrical
card. >> i'm scared to death of a person setting that sort of tone. >> some in the group said they would still support trump, even after comments he made to howard stern years ago. the men were talking about women in the beauty pageant trump once owned. >> first of all, she is unbelievably short, and i'm a little surprised, think that the boob job is terrible. they look like two light bulbing coming out of a body. >> i call it cocktail talk, and he doesn't know any better. >> it's another way to get people to watch the pageant. >> ladies, can't believe you're excusing his behavior as the world of business or as good old boys network. i mean, those are the exact justifications used for sexual harassment for years. to use the word boob several times, that's not promoting the pageant. >> these comments would not prevent you from voting for
donald trump. >> no, they are not. >> brenda is disgusted by all of trump's comments about women. but is still considering him for president. is there anything he can do to win your vote? >> we're smart. i mean, we're really smart. we understand policy. we understand what's necessary see for the country to move forward. we understand economic development. start speaking to us as partners. >> thank you, everybody. >> in the end, though, trump may drive some of these republican women to vote democratic. >> if donald trump is the nominee, would any of you consider voting for hillary clinton, voting democratic? >> no. >> molly says yes? >> yes. i am undecided of what i will do in the fall if trump is the nominee. >> so you may actually vote for the other party? >> i may. >> randi kaye reporting there. clinton's campaign cashing in on what trump calls the woman card. her campaign offering these cards to supporters who donate to her coampaign, a real live
pink card. twitter saying 20% after your income and the government makes all your health decisions for you. so let's talk about this. i want to bring in cnn political analyst and editor and chief, john avalon. also joined by juana summers. you heard the women in randi's piece. >> this is a big risk, for donald trump and the republican nominating contest. a bigger problem in the general. if you look at the mop both he and hillary clinton could clinch the nominations and set up a situation where you have the woman who could be the first female president of the united states on one hand, and the other hand, a man who believes eyebrow raising or outwardly sexist things about women. women are a huge driving point. they could decide the general election. so i wonder if we'll see donald trump and his surrogates and staff, he might change his tone, he might play a different part during the general election, i
wonder will that entail perhaps naming a woman as his running mate. changing the language, he is running a risk, not the thing he probably wants to be talking about or that his campaign advisors and strategists want to be talking about, rather than locking up the nomination and moving ahead to the party's convention in july. >> john, let's not pretend, he has been masterful at reading the public. this strategy could work, right? >> what strategy are we talking about here? insulting the majority of the american voting public? >> let me put it to you to this way, john. some have suggested that trump has to go against her gender, because he can't be perceived as a statesman or u.s. senator, strip her of credibility. that's what i'm talking about, john. >> i mean, whoever suggesting
that should be fired and not just for ethical reasons. look, you know, the election is going to come down to demographic math. you need to build broad coalitions beyond your base. right, that's basic. so any strategy, quote-unquote, that would -- somebody already under water negatives with huge growing democratgraphics and de to double down doesn't understand math let alone demographics. you though binders full of women was bad. this is worst. and already, i mean, already, republican women are going to have an interesting decision based on hillary clinton and the historic nature of potentially the first woman president. but you add that with the candidate who seems to have hard-boiled in him, comments and a history of comments, calling secretary of state essentially an affirmative action candidate, no, no, no. those numbers will get even worst. that's not strategy. that's incompetence. >> but juana, you heard the
republican women in randi's piece, that's not changing their mind. some republican women really don't like hillary clinton. >> that's have you true. if you look at the most recent poll, head to head, donald trump and hillary clinton, there is a 30 point deficit between the two. looking at the polling numbers earlier this morning and even morning republican women who tend to favor trump a little bit more than the general population women democrats or independents, their unfavorables are slipping there too. there is some erosion since he got in the race last june. to john's point, the numbers aren't going to bear out for him in the general election. >> so if this is a misfire by donald trump, what can he say, john, to, i don't know, make women believe that he really does cherish them? >> i mean, you know, from the verb cherish on down, my advice would be stop digging, but you know, one of his favorite campaign tactics is that surreal
poetry r poetry, i think you're looking at a hard-boiled characteristic of this cat. he is not able to change. he may nominate a female vp, as was suggested earlier, that may help. but this is hard-boiled. the alleged authentic candidate will not be able to spin his way out of this one. >> what woman would agree to do that? i'm just curious. who would agree to be his running mate. >> oh, my goodness. >> not nikki haley. we she would be fantastic for any candidate, but i can't see her saying yes. >> i think she would say bless his heart and no thank you. >> i would love if she did that. >> i'm not sure what kind of a presidential vice-president. he is playing by his own rules. who knows.
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good morning, i'm carol costello, thank you for joining me. new developments surrounding prince's sudden death. officials say no evidence prince had a prescription for the painkillers found on him after his death. police now releasing the last three years of 911 calls from the late singer's home, in all four medical related calls, including one on the day he died. stephanie elam outside the
paisley park. >> reporter: good morning. worth noting paisley park, he threw dance parties, you can see, four calls, really not that much when you this i about what could have been happening here over the three years. what we do know is that we are understanding that the dea is working with local investigators to look into where prince was getting this amount of opiates. we know there was a search warrant conducted here, however, a judge ruling that the contents of what was found, they will be sealed for now, so we won't know what they found. of course, what was in his body, eventually we should hear that, because of the toxicology and autopsy reports, but it will probably still a couple of more weeks before we find out what they have determined there, carol. >> all right, stephanie
reporting live from minnesota this morning. thank you. a brutal editorial in the indy star, five days from the indiana primary. let's just say the editors in indianapolis are not fond of donald trump. they call him, quote, holy unsuited to serve as president, and argue that a president trump would be a danger to the united states and the world. tony cook, reporter for the indy star. good morning, and thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> i will only say that the indy star isn't the first newspaper to trash his dancandidacy. do you think it will make a difference. >> i don't know. it's separate from the news gathering operation. i wasn't involved with that decision. >> i understand that. so why don't we talk about the voters, because you talk voters all the time in indian nachlt is
trump resonating with them or ted cruz? >> well, you know, there is a lot of evangelical christians here, and so you would think that that would -- that ted cruz's message very socially conservative message would resonate with a lot of those folks. to some degree, you're seeing that. but a recent poll shows that the evangelical vote is actually split between trump and cruz. so i think one of the factors in that is there is a lot of industry here in indiana. it is a big manufacturing state, the most intense in the nation. a lot of the workers have seen a lot of economic turmoil over the years and trump's message seems to be resonating with a lot of them. >> sources tell us that internal polling, you know, among cruz's people show that he is slipping, you know, he once had pretty good support in indiana, and now he is 8 to 10 points behind donald trump. some people are saying bobby
knight is the reason that more people are gravitating towards trump, because these rallies that trump held in indiana with bobby knight attracted thousands of people. this morning, on fox news, bobby knight and it donald trump were there. >> indiana, you can in this week, you can make a decision that will be something that will go right along with our founding fathers and george washington. what you do here with donald trump. >> so tony, did that resonate with indiana voters in a big way? >> well, it certainly got trump a lot of attention. i mean, bobby knight is obviously very well known here. a lot of people interested in him and what he has to say. i don't know how much stock, you know, people put in his endorsement of a presidential candidate. but certainly, it adds to the entertainment value of the trump
events, which are drawing very large crowds here in indianapolis and he held an event yesterday in evansville, where i believe there were like, you know, even larger crowds there. so it's definitely been a spectacle. it is a huge basketball town. i don't want to discount anything related to basketball here. >> absolutely. i know it is. it's crazy. so indiana really, really matters, especially to ted cruz. are people excited about voting? >> i mean, people are excited, i think to have the attention. indiana's primary is so late in the calendar. voters here aren't accustomed to this kind of attention. i think that the hoosiers are appreciative of the fact that the candidates are coming here trying to make their case. there is a lot of excitement, for sure. >> tony from the indy star, thank you for being with me this morning. still to come in the newsroom, who bombed a hospital in syria that killed 50 people.
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a top u.s. commander is ex mentioned to lose his job today after the accidental bombing. killing at least 42 people. the pentagon will announce that 16 american military personnel will face discipline over that mistake. no criminal charges are expected. pentagon officials say the targeting of the hospital was not done with criminal intent. another hospital hit by air strikes, this time a charity pediatric center in aleppo, syria. 50 people were killed, including children, doctors and nurses. secretary of state john kerry pointing the finger squarely at the syria government, saying a deliberate strike and calling it appalling. cnn senior international correspondent nick paton walsh is in beirut with more.
hi, nick. >> reporter: carol, what is so important about the strike on the hospital aside from the the loss of life, they're supposed to be experiencing a cessation of hostility. it is being divided on the battle field between the u.s. and russians. but it really brought home to view how many lives are being lost in the past week. 200, around aleppo alone. 123 on the side in rebel held territory, including get, this, a staggering 18 children. it is part of a broader optic in regime backed by the russians, the eastern side of aleppo held by the rebels. it was emphasized today, when we heard 20 more air strikes against various targets. one activist saying two people lost their lives. a lot less of a death toll,
because people get this, are staying away from hospitals because they're afraid of being hit there, mosques and schools are closed in the area as well. this really makes people concerned that we may be entering a new much more active military phase raround aleppo. forcing the regime to sit around the same table. now, the fear is that if you listen to syrian state media, they're looking for an offensive. it is going to take a long time, but as it happening, many lives could get lost. >> all right, nick, reporting live. thank you. still to come in the newsroom, outrage on a college campus. several women said they were raped and when they reported the crime, they were punished. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin®.
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several women say they were assaulted and raped and then new trauma inflicted by the college that was supposed to protect them. the students at brigham young university say the school kicked them out for violating the strict honor code. it forbids alcohol -- >> he had taken photos and videos during the rape, and he threatened me to expose those. >> he started touching me and stuff so i tried to get up and leave. >> i've got boundaries, strict lines you're not crossing and he didn't care about those. >> i was sitting there crying say i don't want to report, can't do this.
what if byu finds out. >> stories of rape and sexual assault, traumatic and horrifying. >> what does it take to change the way we address sexual assault. >> but what happened after the school found out that is sparking outrage. >> it was really scary. >> it began from february 2014. she said she had taken drugs just before being assaulted. >> over the course of the next 45 minutes, and like different ways, he raped me. >> she reported it to police, but too afraid to face her alleged attacker in court, decided not to press charges. three months later, she told her school. brigham young university. >> i thought it would be a simple process. >> he was a student. >> yeah. >> instead of getting support, brooke was suspended. byu, a private university run by the mormon church, prohibiting the use of illegal drugs and
alcohol, as well as premarital sex. >> i waited four days to report, because i was afraid of my standing at byu. >> she only reported her's to police. it happened off campus. she was shocked when she got a call from byu's title 9 office, which investigates sexual harass. and violence. >> what she eventually said on the phone call was we received a police report and in it, a, we think you may have been raped. and b, it looks like you probably violated the honor code as well. >> i felt so betrayed, because they read every single thing that happened to me. and they just kind of didn't care. >> in fact, she says, now she is facing backlash from byu for not answering all their questions. her attorney told her not to until after her criminal trial this fall. the school won't let her register for future classes until she cooperates with the honor code office. >> there would never be an honor
code review for reporting sexual assault. how does the victim end up being disciplined by the honor code office. >> i wouldn't know. i wouldn't be able to >> reporter: while the school can't talk about specific cases, it did issue this addition al statement saying sometimes in the course of an investigation, facts cam to light that a victim has engage d in prior honor cod violations. the university's overriding concern is always the safety and well-being of its students. >> i think their concern is protecting the university. they've made that very clear. >> since barney went public with her story, other victims have felt empowered to share theirs. >> you're not reporting someone else. you're reporting yourself when you go in. like that's at least my perception of the title 9 office. like you are presumed to be guilty.
>> as soon as they got the legal document say thatting my rapist had been convicted, that's when they gave me accommodations and helped me withdraw from classes, and they didn't offer any of that until they had the court documentation. >> reporter: anger is growing. >> i'm a sexual assault survivor. i was raped here in this community while i was attending byu. >> reporter: did you report it? >> no, i did not for this exact reason. >> reporter: you were too afr d afraid? >> yes. >> reporter: kelsey recently led a protest march through campus with a petition signed by more than 100,000 calling on the university to give immunity to those who report rape or sexual assault. >> i'll be happy to take these and we'll personally deliver them to the president. >> reporter: the university says it is now studying current practices and procedures. >> we want to look at the relationship between the title 9 office and the honor code office. we want to look at whether and how information is shared. we want to look at the
perception that students have. >> it's not a perception. it's something that is actually happening, and that's them again not believing us. >> i don't know why they even feel the need to do a study. like there's overwhelming evidence. so many people have socome forward. >> it's a school whose policies are very messed up right now and aren't in line with what love and mercy is. >> reporter: cnn, provo, utah. >> i want to take you back to that hillary clinton event here in new york. she's speaking to inner city school children. let's listen as i take you to break. >> there are so many -- we stop arthritis pain, so you don't have to stop. tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain has two layers of pain relief. the first is fast. the second lasts all day. we give you your day back.
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air time. the man then ripped open his bear costume flashing what appeared to be an explosive device. after a short standoff, police shot the suspect. the device turned out to be chocolate bars wrapped in aluminum foil connected by wires. the first commercially developed test to test for zika virus is getting authorization. the hope is that the test will expand testing and speed up diagnoses. happy anniversary to prince william and kate. the duke and duchess of cambridge celebrating their fifth wedding anniversary today, but, you know, it's just another excuse to show cute pictures of prince george. i hope we have them for you right now because i cannot get that image of little george in his bathrobe -- isn't he the cutest? oh, yeah, happy anniversary to his parents. donald trump owns some
pretty swarngy hotels so when he ended up at a middle of the road hotel chain to rest his head the other night, it caused a stir. here is cnn's jeanne moos. >> reporter: he may have no experience in elected office, but he did stay at a holiday inn express. >> i'm at a holiday inn. can you believe? i'm at a holiday inn and i do it. >> reporter: and by checking in into this holiday inn express in evansville, indiana, the donald joins the nonsurgeon -- >> what's his bp? >> you're not dr. stuart. no but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night. >> reporter: and the nonnuclear scientist averting a meltdown. >> activate the hydrogen recombiner. >> actually, i'm with a tour group but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night. >> reporter: the nonpolitician checked into a room that goes for about $140 a night. not exactly trump tower. >> his $100 million trilevel penthouse is inspired by
versailles. >> reporter: versailles this ain't. you can bet a germaphobe like trump yanked off the bed spread before stretching out to call melania. there's more gold plating in his airplane lavatory. >> the master bathroom with a shower and 24 karat gold plated sink. >> reporter: than in this entire hotel. this is his second stay at the chain since the campaign started. and where better for the donald to express his opinion of the holiday inn express than in a tweet. new and clean, not bad, he wrote. what were bad were the tweets from detracted ors. are you qualified to be president? no, but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night. the donald did what we all do after checking in. >> i'm watching television at my holiday inn express. >> reporter: instead of commercials featuring a nonpilot -- >> you're not the pilot? >> no, i have never done this before. but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night. >> reporter: now holiday inn
express can advertise using a noncommander in chief. >> at my holiday inn express. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn -- >> wee! >> reporter: new york. the next hour of cnn "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," chaos in california. protesters scream and smash outside a trump rally, but inside -- >> look at the size of this, this has to be a record. >> every vote crucial as hoosiers get ready to vote. can cruz stay viable? plus, battle of the sexes. hillary clinton's camp playing the hand she's dealt. now issuing woman cards. what do republican women think? >> trump's assertion that hillary would have only the support of 5% of the population is ridiculous. who does he think the rest of
her supporters would go for? him? >> i still believe he is still playing the theatrical card. >> let's talk live in the cnn "newsroom." and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. donald trump packs them in and fires them up. the republican front-runner unleashing his red hot rhetoric in southern california. >> we're going to win at the border finally. we're going to have strong borders. people are coming into our country. we're going to have the wall. mexico is going to pay for the wall 100%, and we're going to stop the drugs and everything else from coming in, and people are coming into our country but they're going to come in legally. >> but anti-trump protests turned ugly outside that rally. a standing room only crowd poured out of the event and they went into angry crowds accusing them of hatemongering.
>> get back! >> police on horseback and in riot gear tried to break up the scuffles. violence, vandalism, some 20 arrests. emotionings boiled over, and the california primary is still nearly six weeks away. cnn's phil mattingly joins us live from washington. before we get to california, let's talk about indiana because that's next up on tuesday. >> reporter: that's right, carol. really without indiana, there will be no california or at least that's the state of play right now for republicans who are trying to stop donald trump. and that puts a whole lot of pressure on ted cruz. john kasich already pulling out of the state of indiana giving ted cruz really a free shot at donald trump one-on-one in the state, but it wasn't necessarily trump, cruz, or even hillary clinton that was the focus in indiana yesterday. it was john boehner, the former house speaker, who at an event at stanford two nights ago calls ted cruz, quote, lucifer in the
flesh and it turns out both donald trump and ted cruz think they can get some advantage out of those comments. donald trump saying this -- >> i think it's standard, frankly. everybody dislikes him. there's something about him nobody likes, and he can't work with anybody. think of him, he's a united states senator. he's working with all of these senators, and he's got virtually no endorsements, and the one he most respects in the senate is, as you know, senator jeff sessions, and senator sessions endorsed me four weeks ago, and he's got no support. he's got -- nobody likes him. >> reporter: carol, one cruz supporter, as this was coming out yesterday, texted me, this is a gift. and here is why. it probably doesn't sound like a good thing if your boss is being attacked as being the second coming of lucifer, but for ted cruz, this really underscores that the establishment republicans of which john boehner was really the epitome of during his time in office, particularly at the end of his time in office, that's who ted cruz is fighting against, and
those establishment republicans despise ted cruz. that should line him up very nicely with the gop primary electorate that has been running anti-establishment all primary season long. ted cruz getting a boost from his close friend in the senate mike lee. take a listen. >> i'm livid because to have him talk in those terms about my friend, ted cruz, when he doesn't know ted cruz from adam. ted cruz has probably never spoken more than four or five words to john boehner in his life. and i'm confident that every one of those words was polite. and yet he goes out and calls him the devil. this is wrong, and this should be a wake-up call to everyone in america. in particular, i speak to my friends in indiana. anyone who is thinking about how to vote in indiana on tuesday, please, please vote for ted cruz. >> reporter: it's safe to say that's a message ted cruz will be carrying over the next couple days and obviously these two individuals have a lot of
history going back to john boehner as the speaker, ted cruz as the senator blocking many of the things john boehner wanted to do. this is a moment that's crucial in the republican race. donald trump, if he wins indiana, really has a very clear path towards the nomination, towards that big california primary where 172 delegates are at stake. for ted cruz, now trailing by so many delegates, to have an opportunity to block donald trump, to even get to the next couple primaries, he needs to win in indiana, take a large portion of the 57 delegates that are at stake, and set up the future primary races. if he does not do that, carol, it doesn't matter what anybody has to say about him, donald trump will be in the clear driver's seat for the republcan nomination. >> all right. phil mattingly reporting live from washington. thank you. while donald trump gets fired up, jeb bush gets reflective speaking out for first time since he dropped out of the race. he sat down with our jamie gangel for an exclusive
interview. >> considering what phil just said, this is the other side of the coin. jeb bush has kept his own counsel for the last two months but he broke his silence now because he would like to help ted cruz get to the contested convention, and indiana is the firewall, and jeb bush has one motive, he wants to stop donald trump. donald trump appears to be getting closer to the magic number. do you think the race is over? is he the presumptive nominee? >> no, not yet. he's close. he's got to win indiana, and there are four or five other states. if he doesn't get to 50%, he might have problems garnering the debt glegates. >> do you think there's still a viable stop trump movement? >> yeah, i think there's a possibility that he won't get 50% on the first ballot, and if he doesn't do that, there are a
whole lot of people that don't believe he's the proper guy. >> do you think the republican party should get around him if he's -- >> i think they should support ted cruz. >> so yesterday ted cruz announced that his vice presidential pick would be carly fiorina. was that a hail mary pass? >> he's behind, but after the first ballot, anything could happen, and i believe that the likely occurrence if donald trump doesn't win the nomination on the first ballot is that ted cruz is the only other candidate that is likely to win the nomination. so picking a candidate that is talented, tough, you know, she takes on trump really well i think and she takes on hillary clinton very well as well, someone who has a proven record and who has been vetted as a candidate i thought was a smart move by ted cruz. >> do you think it was the right pick? >> yeah, i do. i'm impressed with her. >> you've said in the past that
you didn't think that donald trump was ready to be president, but if he is the nominee, apart from whatever else you think might happen, whether he would beat hillary or not, will you support him? >> i don't think he's a serious person. >> you haven't changed your mind. >> no. i have seen nothing -- the speech, recent speech about foreign policy was -- i don't know which donald trump to believe, the one that read from a teleprompter a speech that was inside the lines or the one that wants to build a wall and make mexico pay for it or a 45% tariff on china or abandoning nato or saying that it's, you know, it would be a smart thing to have japan and korea kind of go it alone and build their nuclear capability to deal with china, which donald trump is the one that's expressing these views. there's two of them, and i think
we need a president with a steady hand. >> it sounds like you wouldn't vote for him. >> i hope i won't have to be faced with that dilemma, and until i am, i'm not even going to think about it. >> do you think there's a case to be made for republicans voting for hillary clinton if he is the nominee? >> no, no. i mean, a third term of barack obama's hyperaggressive use of executive power to create massive uncertainty for our economy, really restricting the ability for people to have growing income, more control and power in washington, d.c., would be a disaster. >> looking back at the campaign, how do you feel about how you did, what you did -- >> yeah. i mean, i don't think about it too much. i have concluded that whatever mistakes i made, and i certainly made them, probably wouldn't have changed the outcome.
>> what do you think happened? >> it was definitely a crazy year. look, donald trump was a -- still is a phenomena. >> and if donald trump is the nominee, should the republican party, will you rally around him? >> i am hopeful that he won't be the nominee. >> do you think you'll ever run for politics again? >> who, me? >> i've learned to never say never but, you know, this was my chance. this was the chance, and i ran into a storm. >> no regrets though. >> no. none at all. >> reporter: he really seems to be at peace, carol. that said, guess what? he still does not like donald trump. i think i asked him three or four times during the interview about whether he would support him. i asked him off camera. i did not succeed in either place in getting the answer.
i think that if donald trump is the nominee, you may see jeb bush join the group of republicans who may simply not vote. i mean, he said he wasn't going to vote for hillary clinton, but he said he hadn't changed his mind about donald trump, carol. >> what about marco rubio? are they still friends? have they talked? >> reporter: you know, they've spoken. they spoke twice on the phone. they had a meeting. i think this was in the leadup to when jeb decided to make an endorsement and then jeb endorsed cruz, but i think everyone has sort of taken a break. jeb is getting life back to normal. he's going to go back to his education policy issues. i'm sure he would say they're still friends, but i'm not sure
how often they see each other. >> understood. jamie gangel, thanks so much. hillary clinton starts her day in the big apple. she just wrapped up a keynote speech for the eagle academy foundation, a group that helps at-risk boys. she played a big role in launching the program when she served as new york senator. we're keeping an eye on it. and there may be a softening of tone from the sanders camp after recent losses and staff layoffs underscore the campaign's fading hopes. this morning his wife scoffed at trump's claim that hillary clinton is playing the woman card. >> i think it's ridiculous. is he playing the man card? he certainly seems to be in the attitude of men are gruff -- he's being so sexist. he does attack powerful women, intelligent women, and it's not going to get him anywhere. he's already got that base. >> as trump takes increasing aim at clinton, he's also reaching out to sanders supporters saying
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hillary clinton back on the campaign trail today after a two-day hiatus. it's expected she will focus on the general election and a potential match-up with donald trump. but here is the thing, a sizable number of sanders supporters say they will never support hillary clinton, but what about donald trump? might they support him? his campaign manager corey lewandowski told us trump will actively court sanders supporters once bernie drops out of the race and there is no doubt trump is working up to
that. >> the democrats have treated bernie very badly and, frankly, i think he should run as an independent. >> trump's strategy, well, it could work. listen to what a sanders supporter told me in miami. even he said trump is appealing. >> his attitude of i don't care what anyone says about me, i will still do it, bernie has that. that's where these extreme ideas come from. the thing is with donald trump is that instead of thinking of i don't care about anyone else, i'm caring about we, he's thinking i don't care about anyone else, i care about me. and that to me is extremely selfish. that is not something i would look forward to as a president. >> with me now to talk about this and more cnn senior political analyst and senior editor for the atlantic ron brownstein. before we dive into that topic, i'd like to ask you about the
indiana governor, mike pence. he's supposed to make a big announcement on a radio station in indianapolis. what do you think it might snb. >> you don't know. obviously you have seen a number of governors along the way try to weigh in to stop trump, most notably scott walker. i find it hard to imagine mike pence who is a staunch social conservative who had the original bill that kind of has caught north carolina in controversy, i have trouble imagining him ending up with donald trump. maybe he joins the last-ditch ted cruz evident here in indiana, but i guess we're just going to have to wait and see. it's awful late either way obviously. >> it is awful late. we checked out ted cruz's twitter feed and also donald trump's, and no mention of any big announcement coming so who knows it might be nothing. >> it might be something completely separate. but, look, indiana really is that kind of make or break moment. i mean, you kind of get the feeling that looking at this tuesday in new york the week before that that the resistance to trump has fundamentally splintered in the republican party. he did get over a hump that he
had not before. up until new york he had never reached 50% of the vote in any state which is a remarkable failure for a front-runner but now he's reached 50% in six straight states. he's done better than anywhere else among men, women, conservative voters, college graduates. the groups that were resisting him seem to break toward him in these last eight days of contests and you have the sense that many republicans feel that the die is essentially cast at this point for better or worse looking out at the general election numbers. >> so let's get back to the topic at hand because corey lewandowski said it is possible that donald trump could persuade bernie sanders supporters to support trump. in your mind is that possible? >> well, look, if you look at it from an agenda point of view or audience point of view there, is some limited overlap. the differences significantly outweigh the similarities. you have both of them with their protectionist skepticism of free trade and also their condemnation of the role of money in politics, but when you get beyond that, i mine, they
diverge enormously. bernie sanders wants to increase federal spending by his own account for 40% for ideas like universal free college. he's even further from donald trump on broader social issues. that's where the real difference comes. bernie sanders does have a blue collar working class white audience which has been surprising and you can imagine voters in that camp perhaps listening to some of the similar arguments from donald trump on the economy, but the heart of bernie sanders' audience has been the millennial generation. e won over 70% of voters under 30 and among those voters donald trump's view about immigrants, muslims, that is an an nathema. >> there is a poll that shows among democratic leaning voters,
who 13% view trump favorably and 86% view him unfavorably. let's talk about another voting bloc trump needs to appeal to and that would be women. now he's on this woman card thing because he thinks that will hurt hillary clinton. do you think that's a good strategy? >> look, i mean, republicans are operating with very little mar sgrin for error among women. you look at the 2012, people talk about the gender gap all the time. that's true. the fact is among white women president obama only won 42%. he had the weakest performance of any democrat since walter mondale against ronald reagan and he still won. he won by 5 million votes. that means republicans have very little room to let the democrats improve on that number, and you would think given the problems that trump faces among women, particularly college educated white women, there's a lot of upside running room for hillary clinton there to improve on that relatively weak 42%. so i think, look, trump is trying to turn a strength into a
weakness, basically arguing hillary clinton is a candidate of symbolism only. she hasn't really delivered for women. i think that's a tough argument. she is focusing much more than in 2008 on issues of direct importance, particularly balancing family and home, and he has his own limitations as a messenger on that. >> let me run this by you. trump just tweeted this out this morning. quote, crooked hillary clinton, perhaps the most dishonest person to have ever run for the presidency is also one of the great enablers and i can only assume he's talking about hillary clinton enabling bill clinton's naughtiness for lack of a better term. >> right. >> will that work? will that make women look at hillary clinton in a negative light? >> there will be some i think. look, as i said, despite all the talk about the gender gap, the fact is republicans win most white women, particularly married white women, and i think donald trump will be competitive in that circumstangroup, but th
they have is from a low point in 2012, that was enough for president obama to win, and if you look particularly at donald trump's numbers among suburban white collar women, he faces the prospect of significant deterioration from where mitt romney was. i think that's where the biggest decline would be for him. he could also face some losses among those white working class women who in focus groups says he simply does not understand their lives. he's got a challenge there. you know, because women are a majority of the electorate. it's one thing to say he has deeply unfavorable numbers among african-americans or hispanics. those are groups that are 10% to 15% of the electorate. critical and growing, but 10 to 15%. women are a majority of voters. that is a big ditch to dig out of. >> and i want to correct my word, naughtiness was not the right word. what bill clinton did was way more than that and i apologize for using that term. ron brownstein, many thanks to you. still to come, cops in riot gear, protesters under arrest as
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man 2: that's classified, sir. woman: let's cut to the chase, here... man 1: what's you're assessment of our security? man 2: [ gasps ] porous. woman: porous? man 2: the old solutions aren't working. man 2: the world has changed. man 1: meaning? man 2: it's not just security. it's defense. it's not just security. it's defense. bae systems. good morning. i'm carol costello. out to indianapolis now. you see senator ted krus tacruzg with reporters. he's talking about the governor, mike pence, and his big announcement at noon. >> as i said, i respect governor pence a great deal. i was enthusiastically welcome his support, and i will say that what we are seeing happening across the country is we're seeing republicans unifying. you know, of the 17 republicans who started this campaign, 5
have endorsed our campaign. obviously carly is my running mate but we also have the support of rick perry, of lindsey graham, of jeb bush, and governor scott walker. i mean, that is a wonderfully diverse array of the entire republican party, of principled conservatives, of people who love this nation, and we have got to unite. listen, our party is divided right now. if we remain divided, we will lose, and if you look at one of the things that gives me great comfort is that this race is going to be decided not in the media "newsroonewsrooms in new city, not in the lobbyist conference rooms in d.c., it's going to be decided by the midwestern common sense of hoosiers. that gives me a great deal of comfort. i think the people of indiana, they want to unite. they want our party to come together, and i think the people of indiana want a positive
optimistic campaign, not a campaign based on insults and attacks and cursing, and i'm encouraged by that. >> by the way, if i could just add, i was actually interested to see an endorsement the other day by mike tyson for donald trump and donald trump saying, wow, all the tough guys are endorsing me. sorry, i don't consider a convicted rapist a tough guy and i think it says a lot that donald trump is standing up and cheering for an endorsement by mike tyson. >> you have said governor kasich has pulled out of indiana. have you also withdrawn from new mexico and oregon as well? >> well, as we announced last week, governor kasich and i agreed to focus our energy on the respective states where we thought it made sense. so the media did a lot of reports about this grand alliance. there never was a grand alliance but we made a decision that governor kasich was going to pull out of indiana and we were
going to go all in in indiana and the other end of that agreement was we were not going to focus our time and resources on oregon and new mexico and kasich was going to go all in in those states and that was an agreement of allocation of resources that i think made sense from our campaign's perspective and made sense from his campaign's perspective. the media did everything they could to breathlessly describe it as some sort of grand alliance. it was simply a decision where to focus time and resources. and i'll tell you the reason we made that decision, because i think indiana is incredibly important. i think the people of this state, the country is depending on hoosiers right now. listen, as a party and as a nation, we're at the edge of a cliff. we are close to going over that cliff, and i think the consequences of this party making the wrong nomination, nominating a candidate who agrees with hillary clinton on issue after issue after issue, if we get this wrong, if we go to november and the choice on
the ballot in november for the country consists of two big government new york liberals, two rich, elite liberals who believe in washington, both of whom support planned parenthood. donald trump and hillary clinton both support planned parenthood, both of whom supported bill clinton's ban on many of the most popular firearms in america, both of whom are campaigning on raising taxes on americans, both of whom support the individual mandate in obamacare, both of whom have said they would be neutral between israel and the palestinians and both of whom would keep in place this disastrous iranian nuclear deal. i think if the republican party ends up nominating a candidate who just like hillary clinton is a washington insider, donald trump and hillary clinton are both the essence of the washington establishment. both of them have gotten rich buying and selling influence in
washington. there was a reason yesterday that john boehner praised both donald trump and hillary clinton. if you want to see more leaders in the republican party like john boehner, then donald trump is your guy. if you want to see more leaders like harry reid and nancy pelosi, both of whom donald trump has given very, very big checks to, then donald trump is your guy. but whether it is donald trump or hillary clinton or john boehner, people are fed up with the corruption of washington that they all get rich and the working men and women of this country get left behind. i believe the people of indiana want someone who stands with the working man -- >> you see senator ted cruz trying to rally the troops in indiana. donald trump is campaigning in california, and you know what went down last night. it was a violent scene at that rally. a police car smashed by protesters. officers in riot gear trying to break up fights between trump supporters and those who want to keep him out of office. inside it was a very different
characterization from the gop front-runner, however. >> let me just tell you about protesters. we have the safest place in the country to be is at a trump rally. believe me. it's the safest. >> so let's talk about this and more. i'm joined by cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. cnn political commentator ben ferguson and jeremy diamond, cnn politics reporter. jeremy, what was the rally like? >> a pretty chaotic scene unfolded last night. we saw after the trump rally, you had some supporters exiting the venue, some of them in their cars, some by foot, and, of course, there were several hundred protesters who had essentially taken to the street. they were blocking a main intersection just outside this complex where donald trump had just spoken to nearly 8,000 supporters of his. what we saw was we saw several
people damaging a police car. they broke a window. we also saw several fights, some scuffles very lightning quick break out between trump supporters and protesters outside of the venue. at least one man who i witnessed got punched in the face. he was bloodied. i think we have a picture of that on cnn.com. certainly a very intense scene and a heavy police presence last night. they told us after the event they made approximately 20 arrests, and so that's the scene that unfolded last night. >> all right. so, tom, there were police in green fatigues. there were four helicopters flying overhead. there were deputies on horseback. police were trying to keep the protesters apart from the trump supporters. so police knew this was coming, right? >> well, apparently, carol, but i think the problem here is, yes, they a lot of police there. apparently that wasn't enough. they didn't have enough police officers because they failed to keep that crowd from throwing rocks at passing motorists, from throwing rocks and debris at police officers, from trying to
destroy a police car, turn it over and then they later jumped on top of it and smashed the window out of it, the back window. you know, so there needs to be enough law enforcement at these things to keep the protesters from each side from clashing with each other and to protect the property of the community as well as the police department itself. >> and, ben, you can't help but think that this could be a sign of what's to come in cleveland, right? >> i think certainly you can see this is a sign of what's to come with those that are supporting donald trump who are wanting to engage protesters. you always have protesters when you have a general election or a convention. i was in new york for that convention in '04. same thing we saw with a lot of the protesters in 2008 in minneapolis. but the difference now is you have a leader in donald trump who is inspiring many in his base to become and react to these protesters instead of walk away. this is a guy who yesterday was
endorsed by a basketball coach who we all know about his throwing chairs on the court. that's his mantra, but he's advocating for a guy to push a nuclear weapon, push the button and saying this is a guy who would push it. you have mike tyson who has not only been a convicted rapist against women but has no problems throwing punches and he enjoys that endorsement. there are consequences -- >> let me ask tom about that. i'm interested from a law enforcement perspective if that does make a difference. tom, what do you think? >> i think regardless of what he says, it shouldn't justify destroying property, endangering citizens, and destroying a police car. back in the '70s when itches a young cop in northern illinois, i had to stand in front of the nazis when they protested. i had to stand in front of them with crowds of protesters
hurling debris at them, usually calling on us, the police, but that was their right and the supreme court said if they're peaceful, they have a right to have a demonstration, and the protesters, if they show up, must keep the peace as well. and so that's the problem i have with this. this is america. we have to protect freedom of speech. we have to prevent violence at these situations and not allow this. it's not tolerable to be destroying police cars. i don't know what that has to do with trump's rhetoric. >> i will say though, carol, this is the difference though. you have a leader, and many of his supporters that are wanting to engage in an actual fistfight. that is the difference. and donald trump has not been saying to his supporters, look, let the protesters do what they want to do, but we do not engage them. he has been looking for this fight. it is part of his entire campaign apparatus is to say we'll stand up to anybody at any point at any time and you're seeing some of his supporters, they're going there looking for
a fight. it's the same thing we saw in chicago. some of his supporters want to fight these -- >> the man with the bloody face was a trump supporter so i don't think you can indict all the trump supporters. >> i'm saying some of them do want to fight. you can look at any time, anybody that says anything negative about trump goes on tv. look at their twitter feed afterwoortafte afterwar afterwards. people want to fight them literally. if i ever see new the streets, i'm come after you. this is part of his campaign and he's running for president of the united states of america. you should show leadership and say we do not engage these protesters. we will walk away from them. we are going to have peaceful rallies, and we are not going to give these protesters what they want, which is a fight. but some of these people do want to fight. >> got to leave it there. jeremy diamond, ben ferguson,fu you. still to come, an american is sentenced to ten years hard labor in north korea.
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an american man is sentenced to ten years of hard labor in north korea. south korean born kim dong khul was convicted of spying. before his conviction will ripley joined exclusively with kim. will joins me from tokyo with why this has happened, why ten years of hard labor, and was this man really a spy? >> reporter: well, you know, there's always -- there are always those questions, carol, when you're talking about north korea. think about the fact that this trial that happened today with a ten-year sentence, it took one day from start to finish for this trial. now, granted, he had been in custody for six months before his sentencing today. i spoke to him about three months after his arrest. this was back in january after
north korea had reportedly tested that hsm-bomb. they brought him into the room. it was the first time this man had been detained. he's a u.s. citizen, one of the few u.s. citizens traveling regularly into north korea because he and his wife own a business there in a city that is a special economic zone. this man, kim, told me that he was, in fact, going into north korea but collecting sensitive information about the military and about alleged human rights abuses and then passing it to his contacts in south korea. i asked him to explain how it worked. how did it work? how did you pass on the information that you collected? >> translator: i bribed a local resident and had him gather important secrets such as nuclear related materials. i got these materials, hid them in my car and secretly brought
them to china where i handed them over or i would go to south korea and deliver them directly. >> reporter: and that's the exact confession that kim made in court today. we have no idea if that confession was made under duress but i want to read you a statement from a state department spokesman. he says the welfare of u.s. citizens is one of the department's highest priorities. in cases where u.s. citizens are reported detained in north korea, we work closely with the swede ish embassy, which serves as the protecting power in north korea. he joins 21-year-old otto warmbier who was sentenced to 15 years. he confessed to trying to steal a political banner from his hotel in pyongyang. there's also a canadian pastor in custody right now serving hard labor for life. a 60-year-old man who is digging holes in an orchard because he, north korea says, was trying to
use religion to overthrow the regime. the u.s. and canada are working closely to try to secure an early release for these three men as they have in other cases of westerners being detained in north korea but for their families they simply don't know what the next step will be other than the sentencing hard labor in north korea, carol. >> will ripley reporting live from tokyo, japan, this morning. a bit of breaking news to pass along to you. i hinted at it before. governor mike pence, the governor of indiana, a very popular man in that state, is expected to announce at noon today on a radio show in indianapolis that he will endorse ted cruz as the republican nominee, not donald trump, but ted cruz. we'll talk more about that after a break. [ cheering ]
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two people familiar with the matter that he is going to endorse ted cruz and i think the question is what kind of impact does this have? mike pence, his conservative credentials are without question throughout his entire political career, and certainly as governor of the state of indiana this tracks very closely with the message ted cruz has been trying to send over the last couple days, a message he's utilized john boehner's criticism of him to underscore. so mike pence will endorse ted cruz according to people familiar with the matter and i think, carol, right now the issue becomes does this endorsement move the needle in a major way? can mike pence help ted cruz make up some ground? >> ben, he has mike pence's endorsement. he named carly fiorina as his running mate. he's trying everything he can. will this make a difference in your mind? >> i think it will. i mean, the governor there is respected by conservatives. he is a solid conservative, one of the most conservative governors in all of the u.s.,
and his supporters love him. this will have a lot of weight there because he is well respected by the people that are going to be voting in this primary, and i think having a governor come out and picking someone that is a little bit behind also tells you a lot about his character. he understands this is an important race. he understands how important indiana is, and i think he sees that ted cruz is an individual that should be trusted with your vote and with this country as the president. i also think it tells you a lot about donald trump. donald trump says everybody endorses him. the fact is not everybody does. a lot of governors have gone against him because they do not believe what he's selling. >> i was just going to say other governors have endorsed candidates and it hasn't really helped very much. so why might this be different? >> well, i think it's different because you have a governor here that is a very, very intense leader in his state and very in check and in tune with what the people in the state are dealing with, and he's going to be able to make a pretty good argument for why he believes that ted
cruz is the right man for this job. i think you also look at the way he's been as a governor. he's an individual that is not bombastic. he's an individual who says actions speak louder than words, and when you have a surrogate like this that would be on the campaign trail for you and coming out and doing this endorsement, it could be quite a few points in the polls that ted cruz will go up because of an endorsement like this. >> we did get word from sources that internal polling shows ted cruz is running behind in indiana, and this is a state where he should be doing very well because there's a lot of evangelicals in the state but they seem increasingly attracted to donald trump. why? >> well, i think that they like picking a winner. we always see this in campaigns. when someone comes off a win, it usually helps them. so i wouldn't be surprised if these polling numbers were done right after he had some wins and people like to think they're picking a winner, but you have a governor do this and it can change everything. >> okay. we'll keep our eyes on the state of indiana. five days until the big primary
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hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. big political events and news breaking left, right, and center this friday. within the hour the republican governor of indiana, mike pence, he's going on a radio show for what we're told is a significant announcement, and now sources tell cnn that that announcement, he will endorse ted cruz for president. this is an endorsement the cruz team really, really wanted. >> and in just a few hours donald trump, he's going to be