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harlow on this sunday. we begin in indiana. that's a state that's feeling the full weight of the republican race. voters there head to the polls on tuesday, and their votes are critical in securing donald trump the nomination outright. just 235 delegates stand between trump and the title of nominee. and both he and senator ted cruz know how much is riding on this week's primary. the two made their final cases to voters today, each lobbing attacks against the other. but it's what trump said about china that may have been the strongest statement. >> we can't continue to allow china to rape our country, and that's what they're doing. it's the greatest theft in the history of the world. what china has done -- >> cnn's jessica schneider's at trump's rally. how did voters react to this, jessica? >> yeah, quite frankly, pamela, it was with applause. donald trump pounced onto the stage, spouting out details about indiana's economy, talking
about the lost jobs here, and that was met with applause from the nearly 13,000 people who were in here taking every word that donald trump said. but of course just after those policy points made by donald trump, he then pivoted to his regular rhetoric, which was slamming into who he calls lyin' ted cruz. he also talked about the rigged political system, slamming the short-lived alliance between john kasich and ted cruz and then toward the end, he promised to bring the party together as he urged voters to vote for him in tuesday's primary right here in indiana. he said he will bring unity to the party. he said he will eventually, if he gets to the general election, raise money for the republicans, raise money for congressional candidates, and that's why he is urging people right here in indiana to vote for him on tuesday. pamela. >> and ted cruz is polling second now in indiana according to the latest polls. he held his own rally today. he had some pretty strong words
for trump, right? >> reporter: exactly, pamela. ted cruz trailing right now 15 points behind trump in the latest poll. but out here on the stump, ted cruz is actually in lafayette, indiana, today and he did have very strong remarks for donald trump. >> and this is a choice for the people of the indiana. do we stand with carly fiorina and governor mike pence? or do we stand instead with a convicted rapist, mike tyson? >> reporter: ted cruz referring right there to the heavyweight champion throwing his support, his endorsement behind donald trump. but donald trump came back today saying that the endorsement really wasn't that big of a deal and that he hasn't seen mike tyson in several years. pamela. >> all right. jessica schneider, thank you.
in just two days, the state of indiana may decide whether the chaotic republican race for the white house goes any further. senator ted cruz has been crisscrossing the hoosier state, showing off his newly minted running mate, carly fiorina, as he tries to catch front-runner donald trump. and ohio governor john kasich raised some eyebrows when he pulled his campaign out of indiana last weekend. new signs suggest the cruz/kasich alliance is not going over too well with indiana republicans. in fact an nbc/marist poll finds that 58% of likely voters disapprove of the alliance and 34% say they're okay with it. let's talk with tom lowby ann co-and david gergen, who joins us from washington. he's been an adviser to five u.s. presidents. thank you both for coming on. i want to start with you, tom. just sort of set the stage. what's going on in indiana? who are the voters? what do the candidates need to do to appeal to them? you look at the polls. cruz was up, and now it seems
trump is up 15 points according to the latest poll. >> if you're looking at indiana, what you need to realize is that this is a manufacturing state. this is part of the rust belt. there's a significant part of the south that stretches up into indiana and kind of meets in indianapolis where i am right now. and when trump goes out there and he talks about china, he talks about trade, he is nailing manufacturing economy. he's going right at those blue-collar voters, people he's been very strong with before and who could very easily carry him over the finish line here. >> so, david, if trump wins on tuesday hypothetically, would you expect republicans to finally rally around him as the nominee, or is it inevitable that this is going to go into california and ted cruz won't give up? >> well, it will go on to california, but cruz may be forced out, or he may be persuaded to drop out if he loses indiana. pam, i think what's been surprising in indiana in the last few days is that looked like -- it looked in most polls,
average of the polls, that donald trump was up maybe four points, five >> this poll that came out today shows an eye popping 15 point lead for trump. opening up the race in effect. it says the momentum is on the trump side, and that he may well take this state going away. if that were the case, there are going to be a lot of state party chairman in the republican party who are going to say maybe it's time to call this over, that trump is going to get to 1237. we ought to start uniting now rather than late july in cleveland. they would like to get a united party and put the focus on hillary. we'll see. if cruz pulls off an upset, and he might do that, then that's an entirely different story. then he's going to stay in and
fight. i think he'll be under pressure the drop, as will john kasich. >> and we heard donald trump say that he doesn't really care about endorsements. but bobby knight indoendorsed h. what kind of an impact does he have in indiana these days? >> i thought the knight endorsement was helpful. much less tepid loon the governor's endorsement of cruz. they met on television. it was a pretty soft event. trump didn't lash out. something that happened earlier. you had the clip of donald trump saying if i heard it right he said that the u.s. is being raped by china. is that the word that he used? >> yeah. >> that may be good politics at home, but it's terrible for american diplomacy. if he wants to be a serious president, he has to learn how to get along with big players like china.
that language infuriates them. he has to prepare for the possibility, not if likelihood but the possibility he'll be president. >> as we heard the reporter say the crowds seemed to love it when he said that. people were not rebuffed by it. they like to hear those kinds of things. you speak to voters there on the ground in indiana. >> yeah. this plays to the indiana history. you know, what you're looking at are these folks who are in their 40s and 50s, people who came up with these good jobs. as i was talking a little bit earlier with some of the carrier plant workers. carrier has been thrust into the middle of this, the video of them being laid off in indianapolis, 1400 workers. it vent viral. it's become the centerpiece of almost every candidate's speech around here, and it really gets at the anger. you know, i was talking with the
union president there, chuck jones who told me that he can really see members going many different ways. he had members he thought that would support cruz, would support trump. sanders. they've endorsed sanders, even clinton, but there's a very visceral anger about this. we're in the heart of the rust belt, and this goes to places like michigan, wisconsin, and this kind of goes to that larger trump strategy if they can pull it off when paul manafort and rick wily were presented at the rnc in florida a little over a week ago. they were telling party insiders we can reshape the map and do things that ted cruz can't. his performance here in indiana will be a key test of that. >> i want to go back to the point you were making, david, basically saying this may be short term game for him with this rhetoric about china raping
the u.s., but how much does rhetoric in the primary season come back to haunt future presidential candidates? you've advised five of them. how much does it impact the person down the road, is it makes sense? >> it sends signals that are important and remembered. these things aren't -- foreign countries obviously understand this. it's the heat of battle in america as they put some discount on it. but if a candidate comes up and continually insults them in a variety of different ways, they will have a very hostile attitude toward him. this relationship between the united states and china is often called the single most important bilateral relationship that is the relationship between two countries anywhere in the world today. the future of peace and a future of trade depends to a significant degree on getting the chinese to go along with various things and calming down the south sea. and you don't -- presidents have discovered a lot of republicans including ronald reagan,
understood that if you want to go after people, you'd better do it carefully, do it with thought. don't just go out and throw out words that can come back to haunt you. >> on that note, obviously donald trump has sparked controversy about what he said about hispanics and women. his unfavorables are high in those categories. how are women in indiana responding to trump in what you've seen? >> it's interesting. when you go and pick a carly fiorina, you know, no one is directly said that cruz was playing the woman card. it seems to play to republican women. indiana is interesting. there's a rich history of promoting republican women here via tidick luger. he runs the luger series. it promotes strong republican women through training, brings them up. it's right now being run by anne
hathaway former of the rnc. he's advising kasich out here now. it's a big program, and we saw a lot of this back in 2012 when luger lost to richard murdoch and murdoch lost to joe donnelly, basically allowing the democrats to keep the senate. the women's issues, his comments about rape in that debate in october of 2012 were really key and were really played up. you can see that -- that's a weakness for trump right now. and if cruz can successfully exploit that, then this state could be his. that's a big could. >> quickly, david, your thoughts on how this could impact trump in a general election, his lack of popularity among women and hispanics and what he needs to do to close the gap. >> his numbers right now if they were to stay would make him
unelectable. but i do believe that trump has the possibility of drawing more people back to him including women. if he has more events of the kind he had with bobby knight. and it was sort of lower key. he was more presidential if you'd like. and i think there's a side of donald trump we see emerge occasionally and then there's rallies and he blasts away. with that other side of him that's so hidden, if you see more of that, i think the gaps could close. >> all right. great hearing your perspective. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and just ahead this hour on this sunday, comedian and chief, all joking aside, barack obama is getting high marks for his final white house response performance. we'll talk to one who says it's all in the timing. >> the death of a legend. the focus turns to prince's
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>> got to admit it. hillary trying to appeal to young voters is a little bit like your relative who just signed up for facebook. dear america, did you get my poke? i am hurt, though, bernie, that you've been distancing yourself a little from me. i mean, that's just not something that you do to your cam rad. some accounts aren't polling high enough to qualify for their own joke tonight. donald lacks the foreign policy experience to be president. but in fairness, he has spent years meeting with leaders from around the world. miss sweden. miss argentina. >> well, a comedian and contributor todor todayly beast
here. you wrote an article that says no u.s. president has been a better comedian than president obama. you wrote this before the dinner last night. what did you think of his performance? did it meet or exceed your expectations? do you think he's still the best comedian of all the past presidents? >> i was right on. he's a killer comedian. he was fabulous last night. it's not just the material. people help him write it. he might write some. he chooses the jokes he's going to use. it's his delivery and timing. last year i had the honor of meeting president obama. i spoke to him and said you have great comedic timing. he said i know. he's funny. during this event, he delivered the jokes and did a thing where he made a noise, and that got laughs. that's his understanding of comedy. you can turn a void of silence into a punch line with a sound
effect. i think he did a great job. despite with what my friend side. i hope mark doesn't watch my comedy. i don't know what he's thinking. the president was great. maybe compared to 2011, maybe not as good, but he hit everything. himself, hillary, the media. >> mark gave him a c plus because of how he handled trump. >> i think president obama was hitting donald trump when people didn't know he was hitting donald trump. he began his first joke saying i'm glad to be here. it's my last white house correspondence dinner. to me that was an attack on donald trump. and how the end of the republic never looked to great. he's not responded on twitter. i think he's trying to be
presidential. i think donald trump does not want to match whits with president obama. he would lose in a dmaedic sense. >> i imagine writing jokes for another person to deliver must be difficult. do you have to think like a president to write jokes for a president? how does that work? you've had some experience, right? >> not with writing for a president. >> but you've helped with people. >> on weekend update as freelance. i wrote for a friend last year who did the junior version of this. you write the jokes and hope the person delivers them well. if a joke doesn't work, you go the delivery stunk. it's not my fault. there's a extra burden. if it works you feel good. but as a writer, it's like being a coach. you're hoping for the best. you hope they deliver the joke the way you wrote it. >> and how do you and others walk that line between having fun with the audience and potentially insulting the
audience? i was there last night. i have to say some of larry wilmore's jokes fell flat, particularly when he went after someone like wolf blitzer who is loved by everyone. >> when you're taking on someone well liked, it makes it more challenging. especially when you don't do self dep ri kags at the top. i think he took a chance on certain jokes. he had some fabulous jokes last night about race at the top. about president obama's hair is so white. it was like it was a trump rally getting punched in the face type of joke in fact it's important he did that and had the conversation through comedy. >> and he was in a tough spot of having to go after president obama. so, you know, there's that too. >> tough job. when i met the president i told him i would work for food. but in reality, following president obama is the toughest
job for my kplecomedian. whoever comes after it isn't as challenging. it doesn't matter who is. the next president won't be as difficult. >> i know a lot of comedians hope that president obama doesn't become one of them when he gets out. he'll really give them a run for their money. >> i'll open for him for free. i'm available, president obama. >> thank you so much for that. appreciate it. by the way, music lovers get a large public event to send off a ledge da ledge dare artist in style. >> small dance parties like this have been popping up in prince's home base of minneapolis. an official big city memorial service is coming up in a few days. at the same time family members go to court to slit up his millions. we go live to paisley park next. i am. milk has 8 grams of protein to help give me energy to unleash my potential.
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cnn sara sidner. you spoke to a member of prince's family today. this division of prince's money and property, is there any drama right now? >> reporter: there is. according to our source that's familiar with the discussions over the estate, the first meeting between the family members according to source was contentious and ended in shouting. we did manage to talk to one of the family members who was at that meeting. his name is frank, and his middle name is frank. his attorney talked to us a little bit about it is that they know so far and what they can discuss. and also prince's half brother talked to us about what it was like for him as he went inside paisley park after many, many years. >> mr. jackson and i had a special supervised two hour tour of paisley park, and it allowed mr. jackson to personally grieve
and personally feel the warmth of prince's spirit, the doves and everything. >> reporter: what was it like taking a tour of paisley park after your brother died? >> we look at the whole premises inside paisley park. we seen the vault door, but we never entered. >> what was the experience like? >> he's just a genius the way he had that. he is. >> reporter: when you looked around, it looked like the work of a genius. >> yeah. >> reporter:hat were you feeling? >> it felt great. i was hoping that he was still living and wanting to still be with me. >> reporter: his half brother, alfred jackson, saying that he himself is going to do everything he can to try to make sure that the family does come together in a time that is really emotional and as with anything that brings the emotions to this height, there
is always going to be a contentious fighting between the family members. he says we're all trying to work this out together since that first meeting. and so that's what we're hearing from the half brother. he does have some lovely stories about his time with prince. >> and let's talk about this official public memorial planned for next week in los angeles. what will that look like? >> reporter: expected to be thousands of people in the steps of city hall. it's going to be officially put on by the city. i have to let you know that here in minneapolis we're seeing this memorial grow every single day. look at the number of people still coming out. they have not stopped coming since the day prince died. every day this memorial grows and grows and grows. and there simply has not been a letup with the number of people. it starts early in the morning and goes until night fall. >> sara sidner live from paisley park. thank you so much for that report. and just ahead right here in the news room, some latinos
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america illegally in the u.s. there are also people who support trump. both sides have their reason. >> reporter: donald trump has no doubt enraged immigrants rights groups but he's done somesurprising. he's inspired other latinos to speak up and out about things they've been thinking for years. >> we went under a fence and through a fence and -- oh, boy, i felt like i was crossing the border. >> reporter: you've heard it before. a controversial comment on immigration by donald trump. >> they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists and some, i assume, are good people. >> reporter: it's remarks like this that have inspired a new wave of latino activism for and against the candidate. >> yes. yes. yes. >> reporter: a donald trump event in wisconsin, meet an
adamant trump supporter. >> what do you see to those watching and say i can't believe he's watching donald trump. >> those people, that's illegal in the united states. the illegal immigrants. >> reporter: he says he emigr e emigrated from mexico to the u.s. the right way, legally. now a u.s. citizen, he says trump has emboldened him to speak up and speak out against illegal immigration. >> i have a key to come in the right way. you have to come in the right way. >> i can't believe the lee tee know people support donald trump, because those people, they forgot what they come from. you know? >> reporter: for this family with donald trump surging in the polls, they say it is a battle of survival. while their four children were born in the u.s., the parents entered the country illegally. under a trump presidency, they
fear their family will be broken up. because of trump this family and many others like them have stepped up their activism for illegal immigrants. a source of pride. they wave the mexican and the american flags at rallies. >> everyone wants to be proud of where they come from but also wants to be part of the united states. >> we are united. >> reporter: should trump actually become the next president, he will likely do so with the help of latinos. something one supporter says won't be a problem. >> the only way he with open the door and take out the best stuff for the white house. >> reporter: the other family couldn't disagree. >> i want a message for donald trump. my children make america great. not donald trump. >> reporter: without question in
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the united nations warns that the situation in aleppo is becomes, "catastrophic. they say it was hit by a fighter jet. nick paton walsh as the story. >> reporter: as his belief raged as how air strikes killed dozens at a hospital thursday, it happened again. another air strike, one of 20 that hit rebel held areas of aleppo. friday activists said slammed into another medical facility. it is fortunate but also chilling that these scenes. >> referee: distraction don't have people in them. because of the air strikes, civilians here are said to be too scared to go to this and other hospitals. they have been for days says the manager of the msf backed hospital here thursday. >> they're not only afraid to go to the hospitals. they are afraid to walk in the street. they're afraid to get targeted
or to be targets or to be hit in the way to the hospitals. >> reporter: they describe the life of a doctor, the last pediatrician in aleppo. one of six medical staff killed in thursday's strike seen here tending to patients. his devotion to his work. >> he said if i get married, then i won't be here in aleppo for much time. my wife will be in turkey and i'll have to spend half of my days in turkey and the other in aleppo. >> reporter: children are his devotion. this baby brought from the wreckage could have been one of his patients. they struggle to find a tiny vein for anni i.v. drip. this scene haunted the day on
which the doctor died. a boy left to tend the corpse of his younger brother. to beg they could change places. this passes for childhood here. those born into the war who can only hope they may outlive it. nick paton walsh, cnn, beirut. >> the powerful report from nick paton walsh. coming up live in the cnn news room. five years after president obama gave the order to kill the most wanted man in the world, the president talks exclusively to cnn about the operation that took out osama bin laden. the president in his own words next. 'll take you up to the front of the school. that's where your friends are. seriously, it's, it's really fine. you don't want to be seen with your dad? no, it's..no.. this about a boy? dad! stop, please. oh, there's tracy. what! [ horn honking ] [ forward collision warning ]
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the battle space is. this is a case involving a person who is held against his will for nearly five years by ruthless blood thirsty adversaries in a rough part of the world, and you know, there's no way of getting around that as a major issue in the case. >> he did leave his post. that is without any doubt. >> well, we never addressed the merits of the case outside the courtroom. so i'll have to beg off on that if you don't mind. but the general outlines, i think, are probably pretty well known by now. there is going to be a substantial question of whether this extenuation of mitigation related in large part that he was held as a captive for five years and he's already lost as a practical matter nearly two years waiting for this case to come to trial. >> well, this monday will be the
five year anniversary of the u.s. raid that killed osama bin laden. the al qaeda leader wanted for the 9/11 attacks. we got exclusive access to the president this week. the president talked about the risks involved in this operation. >> after the discussions with the principals, it was clear to me that this was going to be our best chance to get bin laden, that if, in fact, we did not take the action that he might slip away and might be years before he resurfaced. i had confidence that we could get our guys back. we knew it was going to cause some significant blowback within
pakistan, and that if it wasn't bin laden, probably the costs would outweigh the benefits, and we would lose face internationally because there was probably going to be a lot of difficulty keeping it secret once the operation started. >> i'm going to bring in peter bergen. really a fascinating interview you did with the president in the situation room, and at the time when he had to make this decision, peter, not all his advisors were convinced that osama bin laden was in that compound. some thought he was. others didn't. what was it that put the president over the edge for the go order? >> well, there was never clarity about it if bin laden was really there. some of the cia said 40 %, some 60 %. some 80. it's a good example of presidential decision making where you have imperfect
decision but you have to make a decision. we know now from the documents recovered in the bin laden compound that the idea that bin laden might well move is true. in the recent release of documents, bin laden was in a dispute with his body guards. they were thinking about splitting up. the president was concerned they first found out about the possibility in august of 2010. the decision was made on april 29th, 201 1. the longer you delay, there are risks. the president felt it was worth the risk, and there were lots of potential down sides. bin lad bin laden might not have been there. the s.e.a.l.s might have been captured or killed. by the admiral's account in charge of the situation, it was a gutsy decision. >> and at one point you asked the president what must have
gone through bin laden's mind when the last thing he saw was the face of an american soldier? >> the president said he hoped bin laden understood when you kill 3,000 americans, there was going to be justice served. and certainly it's simply a fact that the last person that bin laden saw on the earth was an american who killed him. >> and just lastly, quickly, obviously covered for five years, did you learn anything new through the interviews you did? >> yeah, i mean, you get new details. one of the key details is from admiral mccraven who has never spoken as in depth about the raid. we had an extended interview from him. to have him talk about what happened that night is -- it's very interesting. >> yeah. it's unusual for him to do an interview like this and to go into such detail about the raid.
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finally this hour a colorful spin on saturday's white house correspondence dinner brought to us by jake tapper. >> it was the dinner, or nerd prom a few years ago when one person in particular stood out. donald trump. front and center a few years ago while considering a white house run against president obama in 2012. >> donald trump is here tonight. >> it was just days after the president released his birth certificate. trump sat at the dinner while the president mocked him. >> we can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter like did we fake the moon landing? >> known only to a few people the bin laden raid was just minutes away while the president, confident, perhaps in that mind frame mocked mr.
trump's leadership. >> you recognized it was lack of leadership. you didn't blame meat loaf. you fired gary busey. >> trump responded later in fortuitous fashion. >> i guess when you're leading in most of the polls that happens. >> people close to trump said the mocking at his expense that night fuelled the desire to run for president. some of it from the president. some of it from the evening's entertainment, seth meyers. >> donald trump has been saying he'll run for president as a republican which is surprising since i just assumed he was running as a joke. >> reporter: as we now know, it might be donald trump who gets the last laugh. >> and tonight on cnn, a brand new episode of anthony bourdain parts unknown featuring the surprising culinary side of chicago. that's at 9:00 p.m.
and then united shades of america. thank you so much for spending your sunday night live in the cnn news room. i'm pamela brown. hope you have a great night and a great week. >> the whole idea behind this show is a black guy goes where he shouldn't go or where you shouldn't expect him to go. we were like where should we go. i was like maybe the klu klux klan. that was their reaction. oh, and then it got quiet for a long time. it was the kind of quiet like that might be good for ratings, but he might die, but that might be really good for ratings. when i pitched that idea, i don't think they'd let me do it. i was trying to be edgy and get the job. i thought